Post by: Artimus on September 30, 2005, 08:39:03 PM
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"Outstanding Achievement in Technology and Advanced New Media for pioneering the 3D polygonal-based gaming experience."
"When the concept for PlayStation was in its infancy in the early 1990s, we had a dream to elevate the quality of computer graphics from a 2D-based environment to a rich, realistic 3D experience. At the same time, we intended to bring in a new form of entertainment through the living room in a manner that would allow people all over the world to enjoy the pleasures of interactive entertainment,"
Yes. Because they SO deserved it for making that game that essentially MADE 3D gaming: Mario 64.
Good lord this feels so dirty. I guess it proves stealing does pay!
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/09/30/news_6134787.html
Post by: TMW on September 30, 2005, 08:47:31 PM
It's all politics, anyways.
Post by: Arbok on September 30, 2005, 09:21:20 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 30, 2005, 09:25:41 PM
That's how it is...
.. in STUPID WORLD.
Post by: OptimusPrime on October 01, 2005, 01:31:40 AM
Post by: Renny on October 01, 2005, 04:26:52 AM
Post by: oohhboy on October 01, 2005, 05:12:54 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on October 01, 2005, 05:47:09 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on October 01, 2005, 06:08:17 AM
Damn, Ninty just can't catch a break. Oh well, no surprises there.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2005, 06:22:37 AM
Post by: wandering on October 01, 2005, 06:41:45 AM
"Not always. Often times prue ignorance is enough to award the wrong candidate."
Which is why an awards show that is focused on television programs decided to give an award for "pioneering the polygonal 3D gaming experience"? Out of all the companies, and all of the things videogames can be recognised for, why did they go for that particular award category and that particular company?
Bribe. Bribe. Bribe. Bribe. Bribe. Bribe.
Post by: Artimus on October 01, 2005, 08:13:12 AM
Post by: wandering on October 01, 2005, 08:27:05 AM
(Sony still bribed them)
Post by: Artimus on October 01, 2005, 08:54:46 AM
1. Who made the first critical and fan raved polygonal 3D game? Nintendo.
2. Who made the first 3D centric systems? Nintendo.
3. Who made the first 3D centric controller? Nintendo.
4. Who introduced the modern analog stick just for 3D? Nintendo.
5. Who proved 2D genres would work in 3D? Nintendo.
So what exactly did Sony do, besides sell more systems?
Post by: stevey on October 01, 2005, 09:08:40 AM
What! Nintendo nes hade online game, sega genesis had online line game, n64dd had online, dreamcast had the first well working and first to come to us online game
, and sonic 3d and start fox were the first 3d game made by nintendo and sega. sony and ms need to burn in hell!
Post by: Nephilim on October 01, 2005, 09:19:34 AM
Sonic Jam was
Post by: wandering on October 01, 2005, 01:22:19 PM
I, Robot, released in 1983.
Post by: nickmitch on October 01, 2005, 05:27:47 PM
And Sonic 3D blast WAS 3D because you could move flat on 2 dimensions and jump.
Post by: UncleBob on October 01, 2005, 07:02:14 PM
Post by: bustin98 on October 01, 2005, 08:02:34 PM
Like, that flute is heavy, man.
Post by: Epitaph on October 02, 2005, 08:25:35 AM
Post by: Artimus on October 02, 2005, 08:32:57 AM
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One of the major reasons for the [GBA's] success is its role as a reservation for classic 2D gameplay--the kind of simple, two-to-four-button platforming fun that went out the door when the Dual Shock came in.
URGH. NO! It went out when the N64 CAME IN.
Post by: Djunknown on October 02, 2005, 05:58:43 PM
First in 2004:
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The Emmy for Outstanding Achievement in Advanced Media Technology for the Creation of Video Games was presented to:Jetix Cards Live! Enhanced TV
Seriously, WTF? I read and re-read, re-re-read to make sure they didn't mean something else. But sure enough it says video games and nothing else. Moving on to today:
"The awardees for Video Gaming and Technology are:
• Development and Impact in 8-Bit Consoles - Atari 2600 (Bolding mine. I'll let your imagination take over.)
• Development and Impact in Polygon Consoles - Sony (PS1)
• Development of Multiplayer Console Technology - Microsoft (XBOX Live)"
Some interesting quotes:
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“Gaming and its particular needs have been a significant source of new technology in the areas of video- and television-centric activities. It comes as quite natural that this work should be recognized in the same way we’ve recognized the achievements in broadcast technology,”Seth Haberman, Chair of the Video Gaming and Technology awards panel said.
Quick comment: Perhaps they realized this when ratings were lower than usual, citing that more people are playing videogames as opposed to watching reality tv ad-nausem? Maybe they thought to give some recognition to a past time that's affecting their bottom line? Just a guess...
And for the coup de grace (Or death blow to non-french speaking people)
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“In addition to Microsoft’s considerable achievements, I feel particularly proud that the committee was able to reach into the past and award an Emmy for the long overdue achievements of Sony and Atari.”
Source for this crap
Again, I'll let your imagination take over. Now if I can play devil's advocate for one second...
[DEVIL'S ADVOCATE MODE ON]
Remember kids, without Atari, there would be no industry for Nintendo to save. Gaming would probably still be played on bulky mainframe computers. Nolan Bushnell went on a limb on this one (As well as some 'selective' borrowing but that story's been told...).
Also, Nintendo seemed to be quite content in staying with its family friendly image. It wasn't acknowledging that its gamers from the 8-bit days were just a little older, albeit not a little wiser. Sega pounced on this (See Mortal Kombat I:Blood code). Sony pushed this foward with polygon boobies (See Battle Arena Toshinden, Tomb Raider *shudder*) coupled with a sense of cool that Nintendo [stilll] hasn't mastered to this day. Oh yeah, I guess Nintendo telling Sony to get bent when it came to sharing some of the profits back when the PSX was an add-on didn't help either. That and teaming with Philips, a foreign company which left the nation of Japan in deep shock. Oh how low did Nintendo go...
But hey, Mario's hotel and the two Zelda titles made it all worth it, right?
How about scaring away 3rd parties with sticking with the expensive cartridge format? And they had to retain some sort of quality? Perish the thought! Yamauchi didn't help much when he basically gave Squaresoft to Sony. But who knew FFVII, and Squaresoft in general would blow up to the level it did, right?
On the flip side, Sony invited anyone and everyone to their system with [later to-be easily copied] their disc format. Quality? Hey, that's an option. More games, more people with less than distinguishing taste. As long it was 3d (Symphony of the Night notwithstanding.), who cared?
[DEVIL'S ADVOCATE MODE OFF]
Though I gotta admit, MS did deserve its award for Xbox live. Its a fun experience, and not so laissez-faire(basically means lazy, letting it be) as Sony's model.
If it really bothers PGC'ers that much, why not drop a line to the people who organized this schindig? They have their e-mail address and phone numbers (with extensions, how nice...) at the bottom of the link I provided. Maybe the big N will get some props if the Rev controller takes off and makes regular controllers obsolete in the future.
Post by: Artimus on October 02, 2005, 06:08:35 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2005, 08:48:39 PM
Post by: Renny on October 03, 2005, 06:12:53 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2005, 07:31:37 AM
Why not? If the game concept works better in 2d the choice between polygons and sprites remains. Considering that polygons were rather limited, especially back then, you may be able to make a better looking game with sprites.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 03, 2005, 10:14:15 AM
But if you're going to go with technicalities then Atari should get the award for I, Robot or if not that Hard Drivin'. Sega's Virtua Racing and Nintendo's Star Fox also predate the Playstation. If you're going to award something on a technicality then at least be factually correct about it.
Nintendo is the real pioneer of 3D gaming because before Super Mario 64 polygons were largely seen as a sparkling innovation but afterwards they were considered absolutely essential. Before Super Mario 64 polygon games were obscure oddballs that came out once in a while and had tons of novelty appeal. The Playstation may have been the first console to focus on it but most of the early Playstation games SUCKED. Most of the time the games played very much like a sprite game but with polygons. There were some gems like Jumping Flash but s adlyno one paid attention to them so they have no major influence. Super Mario 64 was different, original, and it was a HUGE success and its influence is still felt today. You play any sort of full 3D game today and you can't help but see comparisons to Mario 64. There was a time shortly after Mario 64's release where people would refer to totally unrelated games as Mario 64 clones just because they were in full 3D.
The only reason Sony is getting this award is because they're the market leader so they get way more credit than they deserve. If Nintendo was still the market leader this award would go to them, even if they didn't deserve it. Hell Microsoft would probably win this award if they were the market leader despite not entering the market until a whole 3D generation had gone by. Regardless of how popular gaming becomes in the mainstream the general public will always remain incredibly ignorant of it.
Post by: Renny on October 03, 2005, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: The Omen on October 05, 2005, 07:04:02 PM
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Isn't it obvious, this is America...A.K.A. Bush world, where evolution doesn't happen, science is heresy and intelligence is synonomous with weakness.
O/T: You're an idiot.
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Aw, I kid, I kid. C'mon everyone, group hug!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 06, 2005, 12:23:40 PM
BLOL
Post by: Zach on October 06, 2005, 02:15:31 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on October 06, 2005, 07:25:41 PM
The people in the big media are going to flip when the Revolution spanks the PS3 like the DS has the PSP.
Post by: wandering on October 07, 2005, 10:01:01 AM
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Ah, a sigh of relief. Decisions like this remind me that I am not insane, I am not depressed; the world really is upside down.
Yes you are, and no it isn't. Doubting a major corporation like Sony might not just be a sign of misguided thinking....it could be an actual diagnosable mental illness! Dysmercuriusiutus is a major medical condition, defined as an unreasonable fear of monopolies, doubting a claims made in advertisements, paranoid thoughts regarding major corporations stealing ideas from other companies, and a lack of respect for people who make more money than you. But relief is now here, in the form of Expuratese (tm), a medicine brought to you by Global Medicines(tm), a Pfizer(R) Sony(R) Yum! Brands(R) Microsoft(R) Phillip Morris(R) AOL Time Warner (tm) joint venture. This medicine, in conjunction with therapy, will help stamp out irrational thoughts by tracking them down and destroying them at their source: namely, your frontal lobes.
Post by: nickmitch on October 07, 2005, 04:26:12 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
Ah, a sigh of relief. The people in the big media are going to flip when the Revolution spanks the PS3 like the DS has the PSP.
Since it rhymed it must be true!
Post by: nemo_83 on October 09, 2005, 04:54:03 PM
Post by: WesDawg on October 11, 2005, 07:32:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Nintendo is the real pioneer of 3D gaming because before Super Mario 64 polygons were largely seen as a sparkling innovation but afterwards they were considered absolutely essential. Before Super Mario 64 polygon games were obscure oddballs that came out once in a while and had tons of novelty appeal. The Playstation may have been the first console to focus on it but most of the early Playstation games SUCKED. Most of the time the games played very much like a sprite game but with polygons. There were some gems like Jumping Flash but s adlyno one paid attention to them so they have no major influence. Super Mario 64 was different, original, and it was a HUGE success and its influence is still felt today. You play any sort of full 3D game today and you can't help but see comparisons to Mario 64. There was a time shortly after Mario 64's release where people would refer to totally unrelated games as Mario 64 clones just because they were in full 3D.
Novelty on consoles of course. Games like Wolfenstein and maybe even DOOM had been out for awhile, and made 3D FPS's at least, normal affairs to see on PC's. They were really shocking to play too. I think I had assumed that something like them was impossible until I first played Wolfenstein. Even after that though, I assumed that Mario64 would also play like ass. It wasn't until I got my hands on it and actually played that I realized it was actually possible to make games like Super Mario Brothers in 3D. Nitendo shattered my conceptions of 3D gaming with that one.
Honestly, I don't remember anyone even caring about the PS1 (seems like every electronics company tried to put out a console in that 6 month span there) until FF7 came out, and then it wasn't for the console's 3D abilities. It was for its ability to spit out movie's for cutscenes. In fact, I always thought the console was made for 2D, and 3D was shoved out of it eventually when they realized they had to compete with the N64.
Post by: darknight06 on October 11, 2005, 08:24:26 AM
