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Title: rev vs 360 price
Post by: ThePerm on September 29, 2005, 05:07:24 PM: the 360 is 400 bucks..the rev is coming out next year..by then wouldnt the cost go down tro 200 plus techo leaps and nintendo's way better motherboards..yeah
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: mjbd on September 29, 2005, 05:17:26 PM: Odds are that Nintendo will go for the $200 price point, and or course will be more powerful than a system that could be sold for $200 this year. Is Revolution going to be powerful? Absolutely, just not as powerful as the competition. DS and GBA has proved that you dont have to have the most powerful hardware to be successful.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: ThePerm on September 29, 2005, 06:06:57 PM: i still think they could make it at least as powerful as the 360...also, i doubt the hardware is even finished yet.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 29, 2005, 06:30:14 PM: Ok. We know for a fact that Nintendo's Revolution won't be as powerful as the competition...and this is good, because it means cheaper.

Now, people speculating that the Xbox price will drop next year are slightly off. Yes the price will drop if it needs to drop to be cheaper than the Sony Playstation 3. In other words if Sony comes out at $400, expect the Xbox 360 to become magically $350, but Microsoft isn't going to take a huge loss just to match Nintendo's price.

So Microsoft is not going to be matching Nintendo.

I will actually go out on the limb and say that Nintendo Revolution will be between $150-$200 at launch. No more than $200. And I will actually say that if the Perrin Kaplin quote about being 4 times more powerful than the Gamecube is accurate, that is around what we should speculate...but since Nintendo underestimates lets just say around 5-6 times more powerful. And that jump may not be as big as Xbox and Sony, but it will be big enough to do amazing things...

In fact I expect a much less powerful CPU than Xbox and Sony, but a hell of alot of RAM, and fast RAM.

Controllers will be priced at current market costs, and memory will be handled by SD cards, so Nintendo doesn't have to waste money investing in that.

Games will range in price...but I expect to see budget games released at the cheap $20 price that we see compliation games released at. These will be simple puzzle games and different collection type games. I expect these type of games to be the games geared towards casual gamers...and expect them to hit a wide variety of genres. Card Games, Board Games, Simple Table Games, chat programs, Drawing/animation programs, Music Programs, and more...simple games that will appeal to the nongamer.

Now the real games. Will be priced at market standards for this generation not next. I expect games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart to be priced as we know games now. Even if the other consoles games prices go up.

So in summary my predictions are:

System:
$150-$199

Controllers:
$20-$25

Games:
$20-$30
and
$50-$60
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: Babyboy8100 on September 29, 2005, 07:49:54 PM: Keep in mind though that when Nintendo reveals the Revolution specs on paper it's not going to be as powerful as neither system but when you play the games yourself you'll see that they ain't like sony or my post is a train wreck said it would be? Remember until today the GC on paper is still the weakest system based on polygons per sec. compared to PS2 and Xbox but when you see the games in action it's different. We all know GC has better graphics than PS2 and slightly less powerful than xbox. So what im saying is Revolution won't be less powerful compare to the other systems.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: ShyGuy on September 29, 2005, 08:09:32 PM: I would say the controllers will be a bit more, especially if you get the both ends on the nunchuka in the package, maybe wavebird prices, $30-$35
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: Kairon on September 29, 2005, 08:35:25 PM: My guesses out of thin air?

First, let's assume that we're guessing for a period when all three systems are out. Now, for MS and Sony...

XBox360 $300
X360 games: $50-60
Controller: Typical ($20-30)

PS3 $300 (launches at $400 but price drops when it turns out that MS is kicking their butts)
PS3 games: $50-60
Controller: Typical ($20-30)

Now for Nintendo:

Revolution $200
Rev games: $50
Retro games: NES games: $6-9
SNES games: $10-15
N64 games: $20-25
Controller: RC + Analog: $30
Shell: $10
RC + Analog + Shell: $36

All out of thin air!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: IceCold on September 29, 2005, 08:47:08 PM: Well, we can't say "more powerful" or "less powerful". The Rev hardware will have its advantages and disadvantages, but Nintendo is really good at creating an efficient console. Even if it may seem weaker, I have no doubt that the games will be more than comparable with the 360 ones, except for resolution. And I keep thinking back to that quote from Iwata in which he says that one of the revolutionary features will have nothing to do with gameplay. We'll see I guess.

As for price, I know everyone would like it to break the $200 US mark, but I'm guessing it will go for $229.99 US including a controller/analogue attachment, as well as possibly a shell. Then there might be a bundle with SSB:R or Mario 128 with the same inclusions for $259.99.

That would be about $270 CDN for the basic and $305 for the bundle. Not too shabby because of the exchange rate.

EDIT: Oh right, games... $20-$35 US 1st interval, $45-54.99 US second interval

And Kairon, the price of those retro games are pretty steep in your guesses. I really doubt they will go for that much
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2005, 09:25:00 PM: Let's not forget about wonderful $700+ xb360 launch bundles.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: bmfrosty on September 29, 2005, 09:44:02 PM: I expect that the Broadway will have more power available before optimization than it's competitors will. Once games start to get optimized for the mutant PowerPCs that Microsoft and Sony are using, we may see those designs take a bit of a lead, but I doubt that lead will be perceptible when comparing two versions on a standard def tv. On a HD the Broadway version might not look as nice, but will probabally lock in a better framerate due to the smaller rendering requirements.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2005, 11:10:12 PM: Launch: 6-7 months after US launch
System: 200-300€
Controllers: 35-40€, worst case 50€
Games: 55-60€

I don't expect the prices to change much from the current generation.

In fact I expect a much less powerful CPU than Xbox and Sony, but a hell of alot of RAM, and fast RAM.

Why? Because the GC had the least RAM this gen? Nintendo will probably offer the least RAM again only this time they'll claim you don't need as much as the competition because the Rev doesn't do Hires.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: OptimusPrime on September 30, 2005, 12:37:06 AM: Believe that Rev's maximum price could be 250, pretty close to X360 core but you get a lot more. Inbuilt flash memory, Wifi out of the box, wireless controllers out of the box (take that Microsoft) and FREE online gaming, and some here still whine that Nintendo dosn't deliver content...please.

If i remember richt the PS2 had 32 MB RAM, the GC 43 MB and the Xbox 64 MB but the GC had the most efficient (by a very long shot), the fastest (by a even longer shot) and the easiest to work with. If you really look what the GC had it was pretty high-tech for its time, the first mass-produced coppercpu, the largest 1T-SRAM memory module to date (why is it so good, because its like 10 times faster then conventional DRAM or 10 times faster then Xbox its 64MB ram module, downside...it's expensive like hell).

Probably Nintendo has a really kick-ass motherboard with a kick-ass RAM configuration in the making the other two can only dream about. having the superior motherboard/RAM configuration can compensate hugely the inferior theoreticall (again theoreticall) cpu/gpu power your console has, GC proves that without a doubt. By making a hugely efficient motherboard, cpu and RAM-configuration Nintendo can also press down development costs (minimum of bottlenecks to program around) unlike the cpu's the other 2 have (as stated by quite a lot developers allready) and we all know Sony stinks at making a good motherboard.

In terms of power tech Nintendo won't be able to follow Sony and MS, does that mean they have a technical inferior console? No, Nintendo could have the fastest, most efficient console off all by using new technologies making it in some regard technical superior compared to the other 2. its a matter of how wide you personally define technical superiorty.

NEC and MoSys have allready proven to be very capable partners combined with Nintendo's own (very competent) R&D teams so i think we can have a bit of faith in the hardware.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: NotSoStu on September 30, 2005, 03:25:51 AM: You guys have to remember that GameCube, while smaller than the other two consoles, was right up there with them in terms of capability. I mean, it's actually more powerful than PS2. I think Revolution'll be right up there with the other two as well.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2005, 04:27:16 AM: Actually the GC didn't have weak theoretical numbers (I'm pretty sure it could theoretically produce more polies than the PS2), Nintendo just never released theoretical specs. Those 10 million weren't the theoretical maximum.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: WesDawg on September 30, 2005, 08:00:10 AM: I'm betting the Rev will ship at $300 with one controller and a free game download or something. It will sell just as well at that price as it would at $200-$250 for the first few months, and why not sell it that high then.

Plus, I really don't think the R&D and production costs of this 3D remote were cheap. Nintendo's gotta make up that cash somehow. Not to mention the online service being added, etc.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2005, 08:03:32 AM: I don't think they did that much R&D on it, most of the tech is licensed from Gyration.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 30, 2005, 08:08:35 AM: WesDawg: The problem with matching the costs of the other systems is that people are going to know the stats of the other systems.

Being $100 cheaper and offering an entirely new way to play games is a selling point.

Being the same price and offering an entirely new way to play games is a decision point...do I want my games I know I like, or do I want to try something new.

Price is even a bigger factor when appealing to nongamers...a nongamer isn't going to be willing to pay $300 for a new system...they may not even be willing to pay $200.

If Nintendo is truly having less technical system I wouldn't be suprised to see it dirt cheap. $150 is even a price point I believe the system could realistically be sold.

$150 with 1 controller and no game isn't bad...it would mean you could get a brand new system and a game or 2 for $200. Not bad.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: WuTangTurtle on September 30, 2005, 01:08:40 PM: just to add my 2 cents:

Xbox360: $349.99
Controllers: $49.99<------Wireless
Games: $50-$60

PS3: $399.99
Controllers: $49.99
Games: $50-$60

REV: $249.99
Controllers: $39.99
Games: $50
NES: $2-$5
SNES: $8-$10
N64: $10-$15

I think Nintendo should also add in 1 launch game probably mario, and 3 virtual game downloads of your choice (huge selling point).
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 30, 2005, 03:57:13 PM: I still get the feeling the Rev could go toe-to-toe with both the 360 and PS3. Heck, all Nintendo needs to do is to slap any CPU equvalent in power to an Athlon 64 and they'd match Sony and Microsoft's stuff for a lot less (judging from that article about the next-gen CPUs). I mean, the 360 uses ATI's R500 video chipset, and the Rev uses the superior (I assume) R520, so it will probably outperform as far as video goes.

...I'm finished with my rant for now.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: Artimus on September 30, 2005, 04:06:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
just to add my 2 cents:

REV: $249.99

Every Nintendo console ever has cost $199. I don't see why the Rev would be too different.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: nickmitch on September 30, 2005, 04:16:23 PM: Well, if they're going to drastically change the way we play games, then why not change the price a little. Plus, with the way the 360 and ps3 are going to cost, it'd be good to make sure that the Rev doesn't look like the cheaper=weaker system. Keep in mind that many people think that price and quality have a direct correlation.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: Artimus on September 30, 2005, 04:48:30 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: TVman
Well, if they're going to drastically change the way we play games, then why not change the price a little. Plus, with the way the 360 and ps3 are going to cost, it'd be good to make sure that the Rev doesn't look like the cheaper=weaker system. Keep in mind that many people think that price and quality have a direct correlation.

The cheaper the easier to attract non-gamers. Plus they didn't mind being cheaper with the GCN and the don't care about looking weaker, as the GCN also proved. Not to mention they will be weaker.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: IceCold on September 30, 2005, 07:48:19 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
just to add my 2 cents:

Xbox360: $349.99
Eh? The 360 price(s) have already been announced - $299.99 US for a "basic" pack, and $399.99 US for an upgraded one with a HD & Wireless controllers and other extras.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: Artimus on September 30, 2005, 08:35:48 PM: Quote
Originally posted by: IceCold
Quote
Originally posted by: ShaolinKilla
just to add my 2 cents:

Xbox360: $349.99
Eh? The 360 price(s) have already been announced - $299.99 US for a "basic" pack, and $399.99 US for an upgraded one with a HD & Wireless controllers and other extras.

Good luck finding one for like that
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2005, 10:30:58 PM: Wait a month or two.
Title: RE:rev vs 360 price
Post by: mjbd on October 02, 2005, 08:31:16 AM: If Nintendo is serious about attracting non gamers, then I dont see how they could release Rev at a price higher than $200. Its a great target price. If they can release it at $150, even better.
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
Post by: stevey on October 02, 2005, 10:11:10 AM: $349 is what the 360 will cost in japan that has a HD & Wireless Controller only the us is re... um luckly enough to get a 399 360+ and 299 360-
Title: RE: rev vs 360 price
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