Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: NotSoStu on September 24, 2005, 07:24:53 AM
Title: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: NotSoStu on September 24, 2005, 07:24:53 AM
Looking at the pictures, the panel on the back has me worried... Wireless controllers that use normal batteries like double-As are nothing but trouble. A rechargable one would be a much better choice. I mean, they could even use the USB ports to recharge the controllers since they can supply power.
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 07:45:02 AM
Yeah, the Wavebird is nothing but trouble!
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: NotSoStu on September 24, 2005, 07:56:38 AM
Ah, but it really is nothing but trouble.
When GBASP switched to rechargables, did you see anybody saying "Wow, I wish this could use normal batteries?"* The only time anybody would even think of such a thought would be when they were on an airplane or something and the ride was longer than GBASP's battery life. But with a console, you're always next to a place where you can recharge. I see normal batteries as a major step backwards. Wavebird is a great controller, but a rechargable one would be even better.
*Believe it or not, that grammar is correct...
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2005, 08:04:06 AM
The Wavebird uses regular batteries, I'm never using it again...
(Seriously, it's not a big deal if it lasts as long as the Wavebird...And the controller we've seen is merely a prototype...)
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Post by: Pale on September 24, 2005, 08:15:05 AM
BUY RECHARGABLES FOR THE WAVEBIRD!
You see the argument all the time in digital cameras. Honestly, back when I was forced to sell them every day, more people preferred cameras that used AAs to ones that had their own rechargables. Why? Because they could buy a rechargable set for them yet still have the option to throw in regular AAs in a pinch...
An example from real life...
I haul stuff over to friends' houses all the time to play games. I bring wavebirds quite frequently and never remember quite how much charge my rechargable AAs have left in them. Sometimes they run out mid game, but my friends always have some extra non rechargable ones to throw in. Woo!
We've recently started playing FF:CC again. It makes me happy. Well, last time we were playing, one of our SPs died... what does that mean? We had to quit playing while it recharged... BOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 08:15:58 AM
Considering this is a year or so away from market, and Nintendo is very big on lithium, I'd say lithium is exceedingly likely. But if you're getting 100 hours per 2 AAs, it's hardly horrible.
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 08:17:06 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale We've recently started playing FF:CC again. It makes me happy. Well, last time we were playing, one of our SPs died... what does that mean? We had to quit playing while it recharged... BOOOOOOOOO!
Why didn't you just play while it charged? Get an extension chord of an outlet wasn't near.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2005, 08:18:50 AM
Li-Ion batteries have a limited lifetime so Nintendo is making sure you'll be able to use the Rev when you pull it out of your closet in 20 years. Plus AAs are cheaper and as such better suited to low-cost devices.
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Post by: Mario on September 24, 2005, 08:23:39 AM
I don't like this at all. I don't actually use my WaveBird all the time, only when i'm sitting far away or with obstacles around and don't want to deal with a cord, it isn't the main controller I use for GC, so it's not that big of a problem. Having to put batteries in my Revolution remote every week is just going to be annoying, and when word gets around about this problem it's only going to turn people away. Not allowing it to be recharged and forcing us to buy batteries would be absolutely stupid.
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 08:40:15 AM
I think if you're playing 100 hours a week the problem isn't the batteries.
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Post by: BigJim on September 24, 2005, 08:41:40 AM
It's like we've fallen into a parallel dimension where rechargables can't be had at reasonable prices.
The On/Off button on the controller wasn't enough. Now we must have our batts replaced/recharged for us without thought.
Smart ass aside, a dock would be nice anyway (optional or not). I rather prefer a dock with regular rechargables so they can be easily replaced if/when they crap out.
Edit: Or when they die mid-game. Hate that!
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Post by: Mario on September 24, 2005, 08:43:37 AM
Exactly, what are you going to do when the battery runs out? We can't always have spare ones right there. "Not playing" is not an option, i'm buying a Revolution so I can play it.
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Post by: Epitaph on September 24, 2005, 08:52:54 AM
I have no problem with this I have a wireless keyboard and wireless mouse. I change my keyboard batteries maybe 2 a year and my mouse batteries need recharging maybe twice everymonth. Although the mouse has a docking station they use nickel metal hydride batteries. So I can change the batteries whenever they decide to die keeping my hardware good for years to come. Just take a ipod for example, everytime the batterie dies you need to pay to send it in and get a new over priced batterie. Wouldnt you rather have replaceable batteries that you can change on the spot whenever its needed. I mean who wants to have to plug in there consol if you can just have a 2nd set of batteries ready to go when your playing.
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 09:23:50 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Mario Exactly, what are you going to do when the battery runs out? We can't always have spare ones right there. "Not playing" is not an option, i'm buying a Revolution so I can play it.
Chances are it'll just require two batteries. Most batteries come in 4packs. You could...oh...maybe...SWITCH THEM?
Good lord people are stupid sometimes. I hope the Rev IS lithium, I expect it will be, but seriously...
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Post by: stevey on September 24, 2005, 09:50:57 AM
"Having to put batteries in my Revolution remote every week is just going to be annoying"
every week!? I hope they go with the same power thingy as the wavebird, I had my wavebird since it came out and only had to replace the battier onces after 2~3 year (well twice but that dosen't count because I kept it on for a whole week.) and 28 long games I replayed a lot that a lot better than my sp/ds that I have plug in 3~4 time to beet 1 game!
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Pale on September 24, 2005, 09:55:53 AM
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus
Quote Originally posted by: Pale We've recently started playing FF:CC again. It makes me happy. Well, last time we were playing, one of our SPs died... what does that mean? We had to quit playing while it recharged... BOOOOOOOOO!
Why didn't you just play while it charged? Get an extension chord of an outlet wasn't near.
Given the situation, that isn't possible. The gamecube link cable covers up the plug for the AC Adaptor.
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Post by: BigJim on September 24, 2005, 10:34:32 AM
Rechargable AA's with a dock (if you don't already have a charger) seems like the best of both worlds. A custom pack that can't be easily replaced or swapped out on the fly would be the real annoyance, IMO.
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Post by: Rancid Planet on September 24, 2005, 01:56:32 PM
I just can't believe they have those "15 minute AA chargers" now. When I got mine the best they had was 8 hours. Then right after I bought mine they released the 4 hour unit. Then they had 2 hours, and now they have a freaking charger than does 4 AA batteries in 15 minutes! BASTARDS!
Granted I need them most for the CD player in my car. But I'd like to keep it that way. C'mon the SP and the DS sport the right type of battery for this job. Why not put it in the controller? I think there is a good chance they will. And they better do it.
DO IT. DO IT.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 24, 2005, 02:32:10 PM
Personally, I'm hoping (although not expecting) AA's.
See, here's the problem with rechargable batteries. They die too. But ten years down the road, is Nintendo still going to be selling replacement batteries for the SP and DS? What about 15 years? 20? I can still play my NES with the 4-Player Satellite or my Virtual Boy because it takes batteries that I can go buy at Wal-Mart. Will I be able to show my grandkids how neat my DS was back in the day?
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Post by: trip1eX on September 24, 2005, 04:11:11 PM
Quote Originally posted by: BigJim Rechargable AA's with a dock (if you don't already have a charger) seems like the best of both worlds. A custom pack that can't be easily replaced or swapped out on the fly would be the real annoyance, IMO.
No doubt. I use rechargeable AAs in my Wavebird. I don't see the big deal here.
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Post by: Switchblade Cross on September 24, 2005, 06:44:45 PM
Quote Originally posted by: UncleBob Personally, I'm hoping (although not expecting) AA's.
See, here's the problem with rechargable batteries. They die too. But ten years down the road, is Nintendo still going to be selling replacement batteries for the SP and DS? What about 15 years? 20? I can still play my NES with the 4-Player Satellite or my Virtual Boy because it takes batteries that I can go buy at Wal-Mart. Will I be able to show my grandkids how neat my DS was back in the day?
I don't see why they woulden't still sell replacements. Though they have stopped now, it wasent but a year or two ago that NES and SNES controllers were still available on their online store, and New N64 controllers are still available there. Seeing as the NES was 1985, and the Rev is slate for 2006, its stands to reason that replacement batteries would be available well ino 2020.
But, in all reality, I see a mixture of the two. Perhaps a bay for standard AA batterys, where you can also place an optional Nintendo brand rechargabe battery pack. Not to dissimilar to the deal with the Xbox360.
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Post by: Mario on September 24, 2005, 07:33:50 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus
Quote Originally posted by: Mario Exactly, what are you going to do when the battery runs out? We can't always have spare ones right there. "Not playing" is not an option, i'm buying a Revolution so I can play it.
Chances are it'll just require two batteries. Most batteries come in 4packs. You could...oh...maybe...SWITCH THEM?
Good lord people are stupid sometimes. I hope the Rev IS lithium, I expect it will be, but seriously...
What happens when you're using the last two from the pack? It'd be an absolute disaster.
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Post by: BigJim on September 24, 2005, 08:17:42 PM
You're supposed to recharge the first two. LOL. All this drama over batteries. How will we survive the horror.
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Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 08:29:11 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Mario
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus
Quote Originally posted by: Mario Exactly, what are you going to do when the battery runs out? We can't always have spare ones right there. "Not playing" is not an option, i'm buying a Revolution so I can play it.
Chances are it'll just require two batteries. Most batteries come in 4packs. You could...oh...maybe...SWITCH THEM?
Good lord people are stupid sometimes. I hope the Rev IS lithium, I expect it will be, but seriously...
What happens when you're using the last two from the pack? It'd be an absolute disaster.
That's not even worth an answer it's so childish.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Mario on September 24, 2005, 08:39:13 PM
Because there is no answer, it would be a disaster, plain and simple. This could be THE mistake that ensures Nintendo is third place for another generation. When someone finds themself in that situation where they have friends come over to show off the Rev to and you have no batteries lying around, they are going to dismiss the console pretty damn quick and word will spread. With Revolution so far they've done everything right, I don't want a silly mistake like this to throw everything off.
Yes, I do expect them to be rechargable too, but it hasn't been confirmed
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 24, 2005, 09:14:48 PM
Oh crap, Ian HIJACK!
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Artimus on September 24, 2005, 09:16:05 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Mario Because there is no answer, it would be a disaster, plain and simple. This could be THE mistake that ensures Nintendo is third place for another generation. When someone finds themself in that situation where they have friends come over to show off the Rev to and you have no batteries lying around, they are going to dismiss the console pretty damn quick and word will spread. With Revolution so far they've done everything right, I don't want a silly mistake like this to throw everything off.
Yes, I do expect them to be rechargable too, but it hasn't been confirmed
No, the answers is simple: put in the other two. We're talking about rechargable AAs...are you really that stupid as to not realize you'd be charging two while using 2?
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Post by: Mario on September 24, 2005, 09:24:25 PM
That would be an ideal solution if 4 rechargable AA batteries came with the Revolution.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2005, 09:37:07 PM
Naah, even the GB didn't come with rechargeables.
If the Li-Ion dies in the DS you can still use the device but you'd have to keep it plugged into an outlet. If the Rev controller dies, you can't just wire it.
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Post by: RABicle on September 24, 2005, 10:17:17 PM
Could the kinetic energy exerted by us moving the controller be harnesses to power the controller? THis would be ideal solution.
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus
No, the answers is simple: put in the other two. We're talking about rechargable AAs...are you really that stupid as to not realize you'd be charging two while using 2?
Yeah but Mario wants to show off revolution to his friends. So he's going to need 10 rechargeable batteries. 8 for the 4 controllers and 2 backup.
I side towards rechargable lithium ion. It shouldn't be our responsibility to buy batteries in addition to our console and we shouldn't be having to maintain our systems by forever buying new AA batteries or charging/changing them.
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Post by: Rhoq on September 25, 2005, 05:26:31 AM
Quote Originally posted by: UncleBob Personally, I'm hoping (although not expecting) AA's.
See, here's the problem with rechargable batteries. They die too.
Exactly. I would rather spend $2 on a 2 pack of Alkaline AAs every 6 months to a year than witness the lithium ion battery pack slowly die over the course of 2 years.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2005, 05:34:30 AM
Could the kinetic energy exerted by us moving the controller be harnesses to power the controller? THis would be ideal solution.
Probably not enough to make batteries unnecessary. Plus it'll cost extra. I don't want 75$ controllers, do you?
It shouldn't be our responsibility to buy batteries in addition to our console and we shouldn't be having to maintain our systems by forever buying new AA batteries or charging/changing them.
No, you don't have to maintain a system that uses Li-Ion batteries. It just becomes useless after five years.
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Post by: nickmitch on September 25, 2005, 07:29:58 AM
Well the way it was at my house, we had a good supply of batteries in a drawer, for flash lghts etc, and whenever the supply went low, we would just buy more. All I'm saying is that it's easy to maintain regular batteries. But I think I'd prefer rechargeable AAs that are removable with the Rev. That way you can just switch whenever the controller needs recharging.
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Post by: BigJim on September 25, 2005, 08:18:12 AM
OH NOES! I have to buy BATTERIES??? The situation is clear! If Nintendo doesn't use renewable hydrogen cell batteries TEH Revolution is DOOMED TO DIE!!!!!!!!!
Is there a "roll eyes" emoticon?
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Post by: IceCold on September 25, 2005, 12:08:12 PM
On my Motorola 2 way radios I can either use AA batteries, OR the 3.6V NiMH/NiCD pack that Motorola sells. When I got the radios, the cradle and one battery pack each came with the bundle, but when they died, I switched to NiMH rechargeable AAs.
Maybe Nintendo could do this - allow the controller to use both AAs and a rechargeable pack, which, along with the cradle, could be sold separately.
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Post by: King of Twitch on September 25, 2005, 01:02:21 PM
Make a shell attachment like a fishing rod, and have the spinning reel thingy recharge the batteries when you spin it around. There you go.
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Post by: ruby_onix on September 25, 2005, 03:27:32 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Pale BUY RECHARGABLES FOR THE WAVEBIRD!
From the Wavebird instructions...
Quote - Use only alkaline or carbon zinc batteries. Do not use nickel cadium (nicad) or nickel metal hydride (nimh) batteries.
- Do not recharge the batteries.
Say goodbye to your warranty!
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2005, 09:27:48 PM
They write that in every single manual out there. If these things were really as dangerous as some companies make them out to be they'd be illegal to sell.
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Post by: trip1eX on September 25, 2005, 10:05:12 PM
Yeah I just don't think Nintendo wants to deal with consumers saying their batteries are charged so how come your controller doens't work? IT's not my batteries it's your controller. So they say alkalines only.
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Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 26, 2005, 08:11:23 AM
how can it output rumble and go wireless with the wavebird's battery life?
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Post by: Pale on September 26, 2005, 09:25:54 AM
Quote Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Quote Originally posted by: Pale BUY RECHARGABLES FOR THE WAVEBIRD!
From the Wavebird instructions...
Quote - Use only alkaline or carbon zinc batteries. Do not use nickel cadium (nicad) or nickel metal hydride (nimh) batteries.
- Do not recharge the batteries.
Say goodbye to your warranty!
1. My wavebirds are well out of warranty with no problems. 2. If they did break I'm sure the 35 dollars would force me to sell my home. 3. It's not even like they can tell you use rechargables.
I hope your kidding.
I've used rechargable batteries in all four of my wavebirds that I've had since release. I literally forgot they weren't built in rechargables when this argument first came up.
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Post by: vudu on September 26, 2005, 09:43:13 AM
Quote Originally posted by: UncleBob See, here's the problem with rechargable batteries. They die too. But ten years down the road, is Nintendo still going to be selling replacement batteries for the SP and DS? What about 15 years? 20? I can still play my NES with the 4-Player Satellite or my Virtual Boy because it takes batteries that I can go buy at Wal-Mart. Will I be able to show my grandkids how neat my DS was back in the day?
rechargable batteries don't die after a certain time period, they die after a certain number of charges. I think the batteries in the SP/DS are supposed to last at least 300 charges. How often do you replace the batteries in your Wavebird? Every six months? Every year? Just to be safe, let's say you recharge them every month. That means recharable batteries in your Revolution controller should last around 25 years. Not too shabby.
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Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2005, 10:02:06 AM
Quote Originally posted by: vudu rechargable batteries don't die after a certain time period, they die after a certain number of charges. I think the batteries in the SP/DS are supposed to last at least 300 charges. How often do you replace the batteries in your Wavebird? Every six months? Every year? Just to be safe, let's say you recharge them every month. That means recharable batteries in your Revolution controller should last around 25 years. Not too shabby.
Yeah, but if the Rev used LiIons and it had rumble, you would have to recharge the battery a LOT more than once a month...
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Post by: Toruresu on September 26, 2005, 10:26:52 AM
But will the NCR have rumble? Maybe the adapter with 'normal' controls, but not the remote.
Edit: ... Forget I ever said that, ok?
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Post by: PaLaDiN on September 26, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
The remote has rumble.
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Post by: Renny on September 26, 2005, 11:10:32 AM
Rechargeable batteries degrade over time, regardless of use. Obviously using them more will wear them out them faster.
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 26, 2005, 11:32:00 AM
Rechargable batteries don't die after a certain time period, they die after a certain number of charges.
Li-Ion batteries discharge over time (5%/month?) and if they discharge under a certain limit they start losing capacity. They will also degrade a bit by themselves, the higher the charge the higher the speed of degradation. Either way, you cannot put them into a box and wait a few years without them taking damage, if you want to keep them alive for a long time you'll have to keep them at ~35% charge to minimize damage. The article I got that from suggested charging the stored away Li-Ions every 2-3 months to avoid undercharge damage while keeping the standard decay as low as possible.
By the time the PS4 launches first gen Rev controllers would already have dead batteries.
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Post by: mantidor on September 26, 2005, 02:04:06 PM
are you saying that by the time ps4 launches DSs and GB SPs around the world will become unusable? as far as I know they use rechargable batteries with no option of AA.
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Post by: IceCold on September 26, 2005, 03:21:28 PM
Well, you could always buy another Li-Ion for the GBA or the DS...
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Post by: KnowsNothing on September 26, 2005, 04:03:05 PM
They're quite cheap as well, I know I was surprised by the price.
Seriously, a $15 battery that lasts an entire generation and more aint too shabby if you ask me.
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Post by: Ian Sane on September 26, 2005, 05:09:54 PM
I was thinking that AA batteries would be okay if Nintendo included an AC adapter with every controller so if you wanted you could have a normal corded controller. But then I remembered the motion control which really wouldn't work well with a cord hanging out so rechargable is pretty much the only acceptable option. Those worried about the rechargable going kaputz in the future shouldn't. Do you think Nintendo is ever going to go back to corded controllers? They might just use the same battery for their future consoles so replacement parts will be available for as long as the company still exists.
I don't think AA batteries will break the Rev on it's own. Though if Nintendo doesn't watch it they could have the Cube routine again where several little problems stack up to make a big one. No HD support and AA batteries when the competition has rechargables together doesn't sound so attractive and who knows what other problems Nintendo can't forsee ahead of time will show up. Nintendo should never create any intentional limitations for their consoles because that stuff combines with accidental stuff. When you're the last place console and everyone is counting you out you don't want to give people excuses to not buy your console. AA batteries is an excuse Nintendo can nip in the bud NOW so they should do it.
This is all moot anyway because if anything is going to sink the Rev it's going to be the controller itself. What batteries the thing uses won't matter if the general public rejects the remote design. Though perhaps that's better incentive to offer a rechargable battery. Nintendo already has a risky hard-sell so they might as well make sure everything else is perfect to hedge their bets.
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Post by: UncleBob on September 26, 2005, 06:55:20 PM
Quote Originally posted by: vudurechargable batteries don't die after a certain time period, they die after a certain number of charges. I think the batteries in the SP/DS are supposed to last at least 300 charges. How often do you replace the batteries in your Wavebird? Every six months? Every year? Just to be safe, let's say you recharge them every month. That means recharable batteries in your Revolution controller should last around 25 years. Not too shabby.
The problems isn't when the batteries die, the problem is that they die. You know, I still have a Mattel Intellivision - that I play - often. 25 years later. And, as long as it works, I'll play it 25 years from *now*. Now I understand not being able to play because the hardware breaks... but not being able to play because the batteries are dead and won't charge? When it could simply be avoided by putting a regular battery in there instead?
Now I like the idea of future Nintendo systems using the same tech, but let's face it... First, we're talking about Nintendo. The same company that brought us Connectivity... and the GBA/GBASP/GB Micro/GBASP w/better screen stuff... and Animal Crossing e-Reader cards... and the MC59/MC251/MC1019 fiasco... Heck, look at the SP/DS batteries... they're the same battery (except that the DS batt lasts longer) - but can you switch 'em around... no, because Nintendo designed them so that you can't.
Second, in 5-10 years when the 6th Nintendo console comes out (and it better), do we really want Nintendo to use 5-10 year old battery tech in their system? Perhaps, by then, there will be an "Ion Flux" battery that only needs recharged once a year and last for 500+ recharges (mind you, I'm making all of this up...). What will the Sony/MS fanboys say when the N6 comes out with batteries that you have to charge every month?
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Post by: The Omen on September 26, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
Quote I don't like this at all. I don't actually use my WaveBird all the time, only when i'm sitting far away or with obstacles around and don't want to deal with a cord, it isn't the main controller I use for GC, so it's not that big of a problem. Having to put batteries in my Revolution remote every week is just going to be annoying, and when word gets around about this problem it's only going to turn people away. Not allowing it to be recharged and forcing us to buy batteries would be absolutely stupid.
Seriously, my Wavebird has lasted a year at a time with non-rechargable batteries. Is it really that much of a concern?
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Post by: RABicle on September 26, 2005, 07:48:09 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Ian Sane I was thinking that AA batteries would be okay if Nintendo included an AC adapter with every controller so if you wanted you could have a normal corded controller. But then I remembered the motion control which really wouldn't work well with a cord hanging out so rechargable is pretty much the only acceptable option. Those worried about the rechargable going kaputz in the future shouldn't. Do you think Nintendo is ever going to go back to corded controllers? They might just use the same battery for their future consoles so replacement parts will be available for as long as the company still exists.
I don't think AA batteries will break the Rev on it's own. Though if Nintendo doesn't watch it they could have the Cube routine again where several little problems stack up to make a big one. No HD support and AA batteries when the competition has rechargables together doesn't sound so attractive and who knows what other problems Nintendo can't forsee ahead of time will show up. Nintendo should never create any intentional limitations for their consoles because that stuff combines with accidental stuff. When you're the last place console and everyone is counting you out you don't want to give people excuses to not buy your console. AA batteries is an excuse Nintendo can nip in the bud NOW so they should do it.
This is all moot anyway because if anything is going to sink the Rev it's going to be the controller itself. What batteries the thing uses won't matter if the general public rejects the remote design. Though perhaps that's better incentive to offer a rechargable battery. Nintendo already has a risky hard-sell so they might as well make sure everything else is perfect to hedge their bets.
Ahhh yes the voice of dissent, right on time. Next stop Ranwick Street.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 26, 2005, 10:46:41 PM
Don't buy replacement batteries now, they'll be pretty degraded by the time you use them.
And the DS or SP can still be used with the power cord attached, that's not possible for the Rev.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: vudu on September 27, 2005, 09:25:28 AM
Quote AA batteries when the competition has rechargables together doesn't sound so attractive
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the PS3 controller have AA batteries at E3? I don't remember everybody throwing a stink. Regardless, its still too early for any of us to know if Nintendo or Sony will use AA or recharable batteries. Just because they have AA in the prototype controllers doesn't mean they'll use AA in the final versions.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2005, 10:03:32 AM
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the PS3 controller have AA batteries at E3? I don't remember everybody throwing a stink."
From IGN's PS3 FAQ: "We do know that the default controllers for the PlayStation 3 will be wireless. They can be recharged via any USB port, including those on the system itself."
So if Sony was using AA's they were placeholders because the official specs seems to be rechargable.
Nintendo is doing their usual "keep us in the dark" routine so we can't say for certain if the AA's are temporary or not. That's why we're discussing this and Sony fans aren't. This is a situation where Nintendo's secretive ways are questionable because most people would see non-rechargable batteries as a negative and Nintendo can kill any negative press about the issue right now if they are going to have a rechargable battery. It is possible though that they want to go rechargable but haven't actually figured out how to do it so they're not making promises they don't know if they can keep.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 27, 2005, 10:40:27 AM
You can have a system that uses AA batteries and can recharge them (obviously a bad idea to put in normal batteries) with a cradle. Look at any cordless phone out there. Or some of the cordless mice.
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: BigJim on September 27, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
Good lord, that's what I've been saying. Rechargable AA's.
I would prefer rechargable AA's since I can swap them in and out as needed, and not have to worry about an internal pack wearing down mid-game.
If Nintendo doesn't make any kind of recharge adapter themselves, a 3rd party will. Or just buy a darn AA recharger over the counter. This isn't going to be a make or break deal. If you're already sold on the games and the system, the batteries aren't your concern. You'll find a way to play. You will overcome this dramatic and horrifying obstacle, pick up the pieces of your shattered life, and move on in a AA-powered NRC world.
That said, they have ALWAYS been conscious about battery usage and I doubt that it going to change. They'll go with what they think the best route is.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 27, 2005, 12:41:25 PM
If I get stuck with rechargable AA batteries I'll be pissed. That's all.
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: jasonditz on September 27, 2005, 03:27:15 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Rancid Planet I just can't believe they have those "15 minute AA chargers" now. When I got mine the best they had was 8 hours. Then right after I bought mine they released the 4 hour unit. Then they had 2 hours, and now they have a freaking charger than does 4 AA batteries in 15 minutes! BASTARDS!
Granted I need them most for the CD player in my car. But I'd like to keep it that way. C'mon the SP and the DS sport the right type of battery for this job. Why not put it in the controller? I think there is a good chance they will. And they better do it.
DO IT. DO IT.
I've still got an 8 hour charger and a set of AA and a set of C NiCd batteries from 6-7 years ago. They still hold a little bit of a charge... but I rarely use them anymore
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: wandering on September 29, 2005, 11:05:49 PM
you know, this thread has really warmed me up to the idea of rev using AAs intead of built-in recharables. Personally, I want the REV to last as long as possible. Also, it would be annoying to have to stop playing to recharge because a controller runs out of batteries (I'm assuming that, thanks to the motion control, you wouldn't be able to use the REV while its charging.)
Recharables were good for portables because portables: drain batteries quickly, can be played easily while chraging, and are generally only used for a couple of years.
None of that is true for the REV. Also, with the REV, you'll only have to replace the batteries every so often (if they can get 10 or so hours out of a dual-screened, backlit self-contained system that's about as powerful as an N64, then I'm betting they'll be able to get 50 or so hours out of the REV controllers....even taking into account motion control, rumble, and attachments), so having it run off of AAs won't be that big of a deal.
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Renny on September 30, 2005, 03:08:28 AM
Only used for a couple years? The SP has been out longer than a couple years, and people still seem to be playing it. I'll still be using it as long as I have GBA games I want to play (one of these days I'll finish Boktai, weather be damned!). Custom-sized rechargeables are a necessity born out of shinking electronics. The original GBA being larger is able to accomodate standard-sized batteries.
As for the Rev controller, rumble will draw significant current. There's no way to avoid that. The only means of maintaining acceptable battery time with rumble is to have a larger-capacity battery. I wish they'd get rid of it, though it might finally be useful with the Rev. So standard batteries are a must. Microsoft has it right with the Xbox Gamer-Lifestyle Device™; a controller that accepts AA batteries but also has a rechargeable battery pack that charges when in the controller. And they have it entirely wrong sticking a wired controller in the "Core" pack. But that belongs in another thread....
So I think Nintendo should use standard batteries and either offer a battery pack or make the NRC capable of charging either NiMHs or NiCds. My 6-year-old Panasonic CD player (barely running, but it's enough for me) can take anything from 2 NiMHs to 4 Alkalines with the external battery pack, and it can charge NiMHs in the internal battery compartment. I still use the original AAA NiMHs after all these years but they don't hold much of a charge.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: vudu on September 30, 2005, 12:16:35 PM
Quote Only used for a couple years? The SP has been out longer than a couple years, and people still seem to be playing it.
Just over 2.5 years, actually. I think it came out in March 2003. Give it time, and your battery life will start to go down.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Terranigma Freak on October 16, 2005, 01:45:38 PM
I didn't bother reading through the entire topic but... is he saying that pausing the game while waiting 90 minutes to recharge your batteries is a smart thing to do? Yeah sure you can always buy 2, but I would rather it use both regular and rechargable.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Caliban on September 19, 2006, 06:49:47 PM
I apologize for the bumping, but I read on Engadget about some interesting type of rechargeable batteries, however I will only link to the proper site and not engadget:
I really like the idea of recharging batteries through USB, it seems alot more useful if you have no more electric sockets to spare. It's a shame that site only delivers 'pronto' in the UK.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: zakkiel on September 19, 2006, 07:05:55 PM
Why would you want to recharge the batteries for a console with USB? I really can't think of a situation where that would be useful.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Artimus on September 19, 2006, 07:07:47 PM
I believe the idea would be you plug them into the Wii to recharge them.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: RickPowers on September 20, 2006, 11:39:18 AM
Why the hell is this even a debate? The option Nintendo has chosen gives the best of all possible worlds, and is the EXACT SAME solution Microsoft chose for the Xbox 360.
You want to use standard AA batteries? Go ahead. You want to use rechargeable batteries? Go for it.
Hell, Nintendo will probably even offer their own rechargeables. But seriously, if this isn't a problem for the Xbox 360, why is it going to be a problem for Nintendo?
Personally, I have something like 20 AA NiMH batteries of capacities ranging from 1600-2100 MAh (milliamp hours), and a 15 minute charger. For emergencies, I have a pack of something like 20 AA batteries that I got from Home Depot for under $10. (Contrary to popular belief, there is little difference between generic and brand name batteries ... as the brand names are frequently the ones who make the generics!) When I was having battery problems on my Xbox 360 wireless controller (bad Play 'n' Charge cable), I dropped in a pair of alkalines.
Seriously, what exactly is the debate here? When did it become a bad thing to offer consumers a choice?
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Caliban on September 20, 2006, 12:36:17 PM
It never became a bad thing to offer consumers a choice. Hence the reason I posted that link to those usb rechargeable batteries, just to show that there are many options for the controller so nobody feels left out.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: odifiend on September 20, 2006, 12:37:07 PM
Are we swearing by Microsoft now?
As likely mentioned last year when this thread was current, when GBASP upgraded to lithium, consumers could go longer between charges and lithium batteries last longer. The choices that we have are also not 'offered' by Nintendo, otherwise I might be less bummed. Personally I have had bad luck with rechargeable batteries - I have found them to be practically useless in the past with my GameBoys, not having the same potential as regular alkalines and that potential decaying rapidly. The power demand likely won't be as intense as a GameBoy with the Wiimote, but play sessions will also be longer and it seems like a logical extension of what Nintendo is already doing.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: decoyman on September 20, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
Someone may have already mentioned it, but Nintendo could release a battery pack connected to a battery cover. Then you take off the battery cover, and put this in instead. (It would need to have its own battery cover because there'd need to be a socket in it for the power adapter.) Then just hook it up to an outlet to charge. You could even plug it into the outlet and play if you had to – maybe the adapter's got an extra long cord, just in case.
Heck, I'd buy that.
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: zakkiel on September 20, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus I believe the idea would be you plug them into the Wii to recharge them.
Ah. That makes more sense.
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Caliban on September 20, 2006, 05:21:51 PM
I can't believe you didn't even get it from what I wrote, heck I will even bold it just for you: "http://www.usbcell.com/product/1 + WiiUSB ports = Wii gamers FTW????
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: RickPowers on September 21, 2006, 05:34:40 AM
Quote Originally posted by: zakkiel
Quote Originally posted by: Artimus I believe the idea would be you plug them into the Wii to recharge them.
Ah. That makes more sense.
Actually, it's the one thing that drove me crazy about the "Play 'n' Charge" kit for the 360. If the batteries started running low, I could plug it into the 360 and keep playing. OK, but as soon as I turn off the 360 ... the batteries stop charging. Of course, since the Wii never really shuts down, this could be a non-issue.
Coincidentally, my 360 PnC cable went bad on me, and I ended up getting a stand-alone charger, and that worked better.
Anyway, what do you do if you have more than one controller to charge? IIRC, the Wii only has ONE USB port.
Title: RE:So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2006, 05:38:24 AM
TWO USB ports, Rick... =)
Title: RE: So is Nintendo stupid enough to make the controller use normal, non-rechargable batteries?
Post by: Ceric on September 21, 2006, 05:43:37 AM
Gamecube Ports.
Seriously. There are four Gamecube ports. I'm fairly sure current can run through them. So why not use them for recharging?