Post by: Pale on September 21, 2005, 08:57:51 AM
http://www.penny-arcade.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=198556&start=875
Seriously... if the screen is as nice as the DS screen I will trade in my old SP on one.... can anyone confirm this craziness? Was there an announcment that I was under a rock for or something?
Post by: vudu on September 21, 2005, 09:07:55 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 21, 2005, 09:24:05 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 21, 2005, 09:27:46 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 21, 2005, 09:36:51 AM
But sad. Now I have to get one of these too.
Edit: For clearification, I don't feel that I'm forced to buy one of these
I probably won't either, I'm just saying.....I want it ;___;
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 09:45:33 AM
Three weeks makes a difference? Were they going to announce "new SP in stores... NOW! HA HA HA!"?
Nintendo's constant attempts to scam people into buying GBAs is... well I'd say "beginning to annoy me" but we're well past that point. Only a total tool would buy a GBA over a DS unless they REALLY like GBC games.
I think Nintendo should watch it. People aren't going to tolerate constant portable revisions forever. I already don't trust Nintendo portables. My natural instinct is to wait for Nintendo to release the "real" version later on. If the general public realizes the same thing it could really hurt Nintendo's portable market. You don't want the general public to be scared of buying something for fear that two weeks later something better is going to be annouced. This is the same criticism people have been directing towards MS for launching the X360 a year early.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 21, 2005, 09:58:13 AM
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Post by: vudu on September 21, 2005, 11:32:57 AM
ebgames.com - $99.99
gamestop.com - $99.99
bestbuy.com - $99.99
There's no listing for it yet at Circuit City.
However, they do have a listing for this: Nintendo Game Boy® Advance SP (AGTSGKA). Notice for Availability it says Coming Soon. I don't have my GBASP handy, but perhaps the model number is different? Perhaps this is the new backlit GBASP? Under product features it says front lit, but that doesn't really mean anything (i.e. it could be wrong).
Post by: Pale on September 21, 2005, 11:34:25 AM
We called around here and had both Gamestop and EBGames tell us they are getting them in tomorrow, and that they will completely replace the current line of colors.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2005, 11:38:59 AM
guess I should refresh before posting next time
new GBA SP box?
Post by: joshnickerson on September 21, 2005, 02:21:13 PM
I'm not saying it's RIGHT, of course. I'm a bit irritated that I've got a launch SP with a dimmer screen than the new ones. But quite frankly, I see it as if someone was going to buy an SP over the Micro anyway, now they get a nice little upgrade to the old version. Bonus.
Of course, I think it'd be cool if Nintendo let SP owners who have had the unit for over a year trade ours in for a new version.
And Ian, your views could apply to the iPod, but that seems to be doing well despite it's numerous transformations and revisions.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 21, 2005, 02:39:22 PM
Different type of market. People except that sort of thing for regular electronics. It's not widely accepted for the non-PC game industry. It goes against the very reason that consoles (and portables which are the same sort of thing) are successful. You buy it once and you never have to buy another one. Having several revisions goes against that mentality somewhat. I think the bigger problem though is that Nintendo is cutting the lives of the portables so short. Neither the GBC or the GBA lasted five years until they were replaced. The combination of those two things makes it look like Nintendo is trying to rip everyone off.
"Of course, I think it'd be cool if Nintendo let SP owners who have had the unit for over a year trade ours in for a new version."
How about for us original GBA owners? If anyone deserves a free trade up it's us.
Post by: Artimus on September 21, 2005, 02:53:33 PM
Then shut up.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 21, 2005, 03:05:59 PM
Nope. That's just an excuse.
Post by: stevey on September 21, 2005, 04:13:56 PM
YOUR JUST TRY TO PISS ME OFF AREN'T YOU!!!
Post by: Mario on September 21, 2005, 04:47:56 PM
Post by: UncleBob on September 21, 2005, 04:58:09 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 21, 2005, 04:59:02 PM
Also, if you think about how poorly this whole GBA upgrade system is being handled by Nintendo, it can be used as an argument that Nintendo wasn't planning this from the start, which means that this is NOT a scam
Honestly, I had no problem with the Micro, but releasing this at the same time leaves me scratching my head...
Post by: Djunknown on September 21, 2005, 05:08:49 PM
Now I don't expect Nintendo to just let current owners 'upgrade' for nothing, but maybe offer an incentive. Maybe like send it back to Nintendo, you get a voucher to get the better SP up to 25-35 percent off. That sounds fair doesn't it? Won't happen though, Nintendo is hell-bent on making a profit.
[off topic] While we're talking about screens, any tips on how to clean them? I'd rather not waste a thread on that topic. [/off topic]
Post by: MarioAllStar on September 21, 2005, 09:41:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Djunknown[off topic] While we're talking about screens, any tips on how to clean them? I'd rather not waste a thread on that topic. [/off topic]
I have a 3M "Scotch-Brite Microfiber Cloth" that I picked up for my glasses (just happens to work well on other surfaces, too) at the Wal-Mart Vision Center for no more than a few dollars, if I remember correctly. It works very well.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 21, 2005, 09:55:18 PM
Can't it be like $6 now?
Post by: wandering on September 21, 2005, 10:18:05 PM
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 21, 2005, 11:37:56 PM
Even if you take away all of the extra sales that were due to people re-buying an upgraded version of the GBA I think that releasing the SP and now the micro will have made more people buy a GBA (as in people who didn't have a previous version). Nintendo just keeps giving more and more reasons for people who don't own any GBA playing device to jump on the band wagon.
If you have an SP and trade it in to get the "brighter screen" SP then your problem isn't Nintendo ripping you off, it's your freakish obsession with buying useless things...or maybe your freakish obsession with brightness...either way you have some sort of freakish obsession.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2005, 01:02:06 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on September 22, 2005, 05:59:39 AM
Adds: I'm GLAD I have a front-lit SP. The DS is hard as hell to play in the sun, which is where I do most of my portable gaming.
Post by: Djunknown on September 22, 2005, 04:35:04 PM
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This is just as valid as being mad because a new colour came out or a price drop.
Not so. A new color is an aesthetic issue. This is an issue of functionality. Nintendo revises an existing product that was deeme flawed from the get go. When the original GBA came out, the 3rd parties had a sub-market: various lighting instruments(Afterburner anyone?). When the SP came out, no doubt that business dwindled. But they were there to fix a flaw, a flaw that only after 4 years, Nintendo's addressed. It seems like Nintendo did a half-baked solution with frontlighting. This isnt' like patching a PC game which is free, this sort of 'patching' costs money.
The micro doesn't bother me too much, since Sony does that too with the PSX's, and for the same reason. But the SP mk. 2? C'mon now, that's a smack in the face.
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the only way the different versions of GBA's are ripping people off is when people are stupid enough to buy multiple versions of them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Japanese notorious for that sort of buying mentality?
Post by: Infernal Monkey on September 22, 2005, 05:28:16 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 22, 2005, 05:32:08 PM
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This is just as valid as being mad because a new colour came out or a price drop.
Not so. A new color is an aesthetic issue. This is an issue of functionality. Nintendo revises an existing product that was deeme flawed from the get go. When the original GBA came out, the 3rd parties had a sub-market: various lighting instruments(Afterburner anyone?). When the SP came out, no doubt that business dwindled. But they were there to fix a flaw, a flaw that only after 4 years, Nintendo's addressed. It seems like Nintendo did a half-baked solution with frontlighting. This isnt' like patching a PC game which is free, this sort of 'patching' costs money.
The micro doesn't bother me too much, since Sony does that too with the PSX's, and for the same reason. But the SP mk. 2? C'mon now, that's a smack in the face.Quote
the only way the different versions of GBA's are ripping people off is when people are stupid enough to buy multiple versions of them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Japanese notorious for that sort of buying mentality?
Improvements in technology happen all the time. And no one is forcing you to buy the new ones.
Post by: darknight06 on September 22, 2005, 05:51:19 PM
Post by: Bloodworth on September 22, 2005, 08:27:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"And Ian, your views could apply to the iPod, but that seems to be doing well despite it's numerous transformations and revisions."
Different type of market.
What market is eager to go out and spend hundreds of dollars on a slightly new version of anything? These kinds of revisions mainly renew awareness in a product people may have been thinking of, but hadn't gotten yet, and a few will use the opportunity to change out their aging devices. At least it's not like the mobile phone market. My girlfriend had to spend $200 on a new phone because the old one (which isn't even 3 years old) won't recharge and there's no longer anyone selling the batteries for it.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 22, 2005, 09:27:36 PM
Post by: Pale on September 23, 2005, 04:59:42 AM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
However the only drawback I've noticed on the new SP's is that the screen refresh rate is lower than GBA spec, more like the GBPocket.
Are you basing this comment off of IGNs article? Is their proof or is IGN just "thinking" that teh refresh rate is less? (The ign article may answer this question, but I hate going to that site.)
Post by: darknight06 on September 23, 2005, 05:26:16 AM
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Post by: 31 Flavas on September 24, 2005, 09:22:08 PM
Quotewell, EB doesn't give credit for added lighting mods, do they? I would have found a friend to pawn it off on for say $50. I'm sure they'd have been more then happy to just have a gba.
Originally posted by: Djunknown
I wouldn't call the GBA dead just yet, I'd give it 1-2 more years. But I get Ian's point. ipod aside, this constant revision is getting old. When I traded in my original GBA, I only got 27 dollars for it, lighting device included. Granted this buffered my expense for an SP to a certain degree, but I'm not in the mood to do it again. I'm willing to bet I'll get less than 20 for my SP this time around...
QuoteYou know the 'upgrades' are made to siphon more cash from existing customers, right? They usually are made to court new customers, ones that don't have a GBA yet. Kind of like, hey if you havn't already jumped on board, nows a great time, because we've got XYZ color now or ABC upgrade or new slimline version. If you've already have an SP you do not need this new version. Just like you don't need color XYZ.
Now I don't expect Nintendo to just let current owners 'upgrade' for nothing, but maybe offer an incentive. Maybe like send it back to Nintendo, you get a voucher to get the better SP up to 25-35 percent off. That sounds fair doesn't it? Won't happen though, Nintendo is hell-bent on making a profit.
If you HAVE to have color XYZ or the slim line or upgrade, find someone to sell your existing one to for $50. Do not trade it to EB/Gamestop they'll rip you off.
[off topic] While we're talking about screens, any tips on how to clean them? I'd rather not waste a thread on that topic. [/off topic]
Breath and a cotton t-shirt?
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Post by: darknight06 on October 06, 2005, 04:50:29 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 06, 2005, 02:35:43 PM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
Newer DS's with the exception of brightness more or less have the newer GBMicro screens in them.
What? The only difference between the GBMicro and DS screens is that GBMs' are brighter and smaller...what you said didn't even make sense...o_O
Post by: darknight06 on October 06, 2005, 06:26:31 PM
Right now this would be the third screen type I've seen on the DS.
Type 1: probably the brightest ones yet color is just passable.
Type 2: dimmer, color a little better but still kinda washed out looking.
Type 3 (current): brightened up a little bit again (not to the extent of type 1 though), leaves an afterimage
during shutdown like the GB screens before it, color saturation is better and when put side by
side to a micro only loses out due to not having a brighter setting.
