Post by: Epitaph on September 17, 2005, 08:22:23 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2005, 08:39:15 PM
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Originally posted by: Epitaph
After seeing numerous videos of both ps3 combined with eyetoy and the revolution controller I cant help but think that SONY could easilly copy any game nintendo releases with the eyetoy. Although ive never used it it seems as if it can map out a humans movment so this would in turn translate in what nintendos consol does. I also heard using a infored eyetoy or even 2 eyetoys they would be able to do even more then the current standard eyetoy. So is it possible that sony will just burn nintendo by copying them with technology they already have?
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and its possible that Sony could do some very interesting things with the eyetoy, but who wants to dance around and twist my head for the camera to do exactly the same thing withthe flick of the wrist.
whats even more intriguing is if Nintendo copied the eye-toy and used it in combination with the Rev remote controller
Post by: BigJim on September 17, 2005, 08:48:23 PM
But I'd like to see them try anyway. That might be amusing.
Post by: Mario on September 18, 2005, 05:41:54 AM
Post by: odifiend on September 18, 2005, 06:41:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Eye Toy only detects extreme movements with your body, with Revolution you just have to move the controller. Eye Toy doesn't exactly do anything else either, unless Sony put tilt sensors, buttons and gyros in all of us.
And everyone knows Sony doesn't have the resources for that. Now Microsoft that is another story...
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 18, 2005, 08:37:30 AM
I think Sony will probably TRY to combat the Rev with the Eyetoy, but it's not going to be particularly effective. I know at least Sony fanboys will try to one-up Ninty with it though
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 18, 2005, 09:57:34 AM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
The eyetoy can pick up where you point the gun, but not when you shoot it or when you reload.
umm the revolution couldnt tell when you shoot without you pressing a button. The eyetoy could tell where your controller is pointing and then you just pull the trigger. so its about the same,,, (reloading is a different story.)
but the revo will work with four people per Tv while the eyetoy would require some serious software that would have to tag each controller and measure where they are pointed etc.... hmm i wouldnt be surprised if Sony attempts to emulate it and puts it on some of their first ps3 commercials (they'd have that woman's voice from the ps9 commercial saying "control your games with your gestures" etc etc)
man i hate sony.
Post by: MarioAllStar on September 18, 2005, 10:08:58 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 18, 2005, 10:23:58 AM
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umm the revolution couldnt tell when you shoot without you pressing a button. The eyetoy could tell where your controller is pointing and then you just pull the trigger. so its about the same...
That's why I mentioned buttons in the sentance before
Also, I was talking about just using your hands like previous eyetoy games, I wasn't talking about usuing the regular controller in conjunction with the eyetoy..Although I suppose I SHOULD have, since that makes sense, the only probelm with that is multiplayer games would be impossible..
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 18, 2005, 12:07:26 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothingQuote
the only probelm with that is multiplayer games would be impossible..
actually the new eyetoy 2.0 can actually track multiple targets at once now, thanks to the tremendous power that is the cell processor [/pr speak]
so, multiplayer games shouldn't be a problem as long as the camera is pulled back far enough to get more than one person in the view.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 18, 2005, 12:27:17 PM
STILL, you'd be kidding yourself if you thought the Eyetoy could simulate the Rev, and my other arguments still stand. Even with teh ultimate Eyetoy 2.0, multiplayer couldn't possibly be very intuitive...
Post by: ThePerm on September 18, 2005, 02:57:19 PM
Post by: Epitaph on September 18, 2005, 06:47:17 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 18, 2005, 07:07:04 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 18, 2005, 07:22:53 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 18, 2005, 07:25:55 PM
poo on the eyetoy
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 18, 2005, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 18, 2005, 08:52:09 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 18, 2005, 09:30:46 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 18, 2005, 09:35:50 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 18, 2005, 10:29:41 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 19, 2005, 08:44:16 AM
Eyetoy 2.0 is all seeing & all knowing. With the power of cell behing the Eyetoy 2.0, there is nothing that Eyetoy 2.0 cannot do.
*starts chanting
All hail Eyetoy
Long live Eyetoy
All hail Eyetoy
Long live Eyetoy
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but seriously, supposedly* eyetoy is an HD camera and is accurate to the pixel. Its execution of getting the user involved to control or interact with imagery on the screen is ultimately different, but can have very similar results. Many interesting things will be possible with eyetoy, but the DPD is specifically designed to do most things the eyetoy can do (except put the user on the screen) and do it with absolute precision and minimal physical interactivity.
One of the many problems with eyetoy(in comparison to the DPD) is that you need something that is slightly reflective that the camera can track and hold it in you hand, and if you want to percieve depth, you will need a second camera. Also the eyetoy is essentially a peripheral and will be lucky to tbe utilised in 5% of games made for the system in any sort of intuitive way.
*this is the key word, everthing after the asterix should be taken at face value and not as fact. It is all based on Sony marketing talk and internet heresay
Post by: ThePerm on September 19, 2005, 10:16:57 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 19, 2005, 10:52:06 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 19, 2005, 10:58:36 AM
Who wants to flick their wrist when they can just push a button? It's all a matter of opinion.
I don't think Sony could accurately replicate the Rev with the Eyetoy. They might try. I do think Sony could put motion control into the boomerang and crush the Rev remote like a grape with a controller that can do all the same movement stuff but has enough buttons to work with normal games without any extra attachments.
I don't know if Sony would go to that much trouble though. What do they think of this? Are they scared or are they laughing their asses off?
Personally I think the real question should be can Nintendo replicate Sony with the shell. I think it's more important for the Rev to be able to play traditional games than for the PS3 to play remote moving games. One design is proven to be successful while the other isn't. Sony's current design is far less risky.
Sony might as well wait until Nintendo shows off a real game. There's no point trying to counter the remote unless Nintendo can actually deliver something worthwhile for it.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 19, 2005, 04:35:57 PM
No risk, no gain. Even if they put the sensors inside their boomerang, the new audience Nintendo is aiming for will balk at the controller's shape and complexity. No matter what they do for games, Sony doesn't stand to win anybody more than the people they've already won over to their side this generation, and given the X360's competition I doubt they'll even get that next gen. Nintendo on the other hand could potentially tap into a whole new source of gamers. (note: new gamers, not new tech geeks)
So here's a question for you Ian. If the options were:
a) Increasing the market size drastically so Nintendo could outsell the other two consoles
b) Going after the same people for a fourth generation in a row, where in each generation fewer of those people come back
Which would you choose? Because that's the situation as I see it and as I think Nintendo sees it as well. Nintendo chose both, why are you so intent on choosing only the second? Do you WANT them to run themselves into the ground?
Besides, "a controller that can do all the same movement stuff"? Oh, yeah, it's easier to use two hands when pointing places.
"Personally I think the real question should be can Nintendo replicate Sony with the shell."
Why is this a question? As far as I'm concerned Nintendo perfected that shell with the wavebird. If they focus on making a traditional shell I think it's pretty stupid to assume it'll be a problem.
"I think it's more important for the Rev to be able to play traditional games than for the PS3 to play remote moving games."
You say this because you have no idea how remote moving games will be like. How can you just write off a whole new way of playing games like that? Dammit Ian, it's something you haven't done before, you need to stop acting like you already know it sucks and at least give it a chance. Stop this arrogance. I know it hurts that you didn't think of this first but sometimes other people have good ideas.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 19, 2005, 09:11:22 PM
Post by: boggy b on September 24, 2005, 12:16:37 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2005, 05:17:50 PM
The RevCon can do the water & cup demo too, actually for every 1 thing you come up with (if possible), forum members here can can come up with 4 things that work the other way around.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 24, 2005, 09:46:45 PM
Post by: Zach on September 25, 2005, 08:45:36 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on September 25, 2005, 02:15:53 PM
The eyetoy can work with objects in your hand (so you can actually get a real sword if you wanted too) and yeah it would be limited without buttons but I believe the Eyetoy two will come with attachments too (think voice comm is a bundled deal if I'm not mistaken or is that MS's Camera bundle).
You can do depth with one camera as well though it would be kinda hard with the contast but if your holding an object say a nice round ball then sure depth would be simple.
I say both have + and - but imagine what a combo would be like
. Nothing says nintendo can't have a camera too.Or a dance pad--hell I could use the workout
.Post by: Zach on September 25, 2005, 02:21:34 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 25, 2005, 02:28:18 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 25, 2005, 02:42:40 PM
The controller can definitely be used as a sword, but can it also be used as a lightgun?
Post by: Artimus on September 25, 2005, 02:43:17 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 25, 2005, 03:05:15 PM
An MP5 submachine gun "shell peripheral" that you could insert the RevRemote into would be *BADASS*.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 25, 2005, 06:01:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
An MP5 submachine gun "shell peripheral" that you could insert the RevRemote into would be *BADASS*.
Or a much simpler gun shell attachment could work too
LightGun Attachment
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 25, 2005, 06:27:50 PM
But I wouldn't use a sidearm shell if I'm interested in the look and feel of larger (mainly automatic) weapons.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 25, 2005, 09:55:04 PM
Post by: Artimus on September 25, 2005, 09:57:55 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Well sure.
But I wouldn't use a sidearm shell if I'm interested in the look and feel of larger (mainly automatic) weapons.
That's disturbing.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 26, 2005, 06:19:13 PM
Hey, IGN catches my drift. Of course it's uglier than I'd prefer.
Post by: wandering on October 08, 2005, 10:27:47 AM
I'd imagine the eye toy will be to the rev controller what the gamecube's online was to xbox live.
The real question is, how long will it be before Sony releases something like this?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 08, 2005, 01:35:28 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2005, 02:05:49 PM
Post by: nickmitch on October 08, 2005, 02:27:27 PM
