Post by: wandering on September 12, 2005, 09:09:46 PM
So, this is your last chance to guess. What's in and what's out?
Person who gets the most right wins a frookie.
Bonus points for coming up with a good controller mockup.
Here's my predictions:
IN
-controller that plugs directly into TV for some applications
-controller that splits in 2.
-gyro (or other device for reading movement) in ONE of the 2 controller halves.
-3-D!
-advanced feedback (maybe haptic feedback, or air that blows on your hands....I have no idea.)
-touch-sensitive technology in some form
OUT
-trackball
-scrollwheel
-hot/cold output
-traditional SNES button layout
-reconfigurable button layout/wholly virtual buttons
-dual gyro setup
-dual screen setup
Post by: ShyGuy on September 12, 2005, 09:18:33 PM
In:
physically customizable control
secondary gimmick controller (lightgun, etc)
microphone built into controller
Mario 128 launch title
Impressive visuals
devices that utilize the usb ports like lan adapters and external hard drives.
Out:
visor!
Hi-Def
Acid Wash jeans
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2005, 09:23:27 PM
Controller, probably with Gyros. Mmmmh, Gyros!
Out:
Adding -ton to any word to hype it up.
Post by: ThePerm on September 12, 2005, 09:25:20 PM
gyro
can act as mouse
can act as controller gun(thanks to the splitting and gyros)
small lcd(like calculator size)
Microphone
analog rumbling shoulders
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 12, 2005, 09:33:01 PM
Gyros.
Glasses.
Controller that splits.
Trackball.
In:
Shawarmas.
Gyroscopes.
Some sort of pressure sensitivity.
One-piece controller, just to spite everybody.
Post by: wandering on September 12, 2005, 09:34:09 PM
It's like a cookie. A fruit-juice sweetened, horribly undelicious cookie.
Post by: ThePerm on September 12, 2005, 09:40:25 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 12, 2005, 09:41:40 PM
In: Revolution is everything. It's omnipotent and omnipresent.
Out: Sony and MS faboys lol
Post by: wandering on September 12, 2005, 09:55:14 PM
No, no, I love newtons too. It's hard to imagine the extent of the undeliciousness of frookies without actually having tasted one.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 12, 2005, 09:57:00 PM
Built-in headphone jack please
OUT:
color-and-shape-coded buttons
anything purple
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 12, 2005, 10:30:10 PM
In:
Gyroscopics of some sort (even if it's not very advanced and will only be usefull for monkey-ball like games)
Trackball
Microphone and seperate headset jack
Out:
Touch screen
Nintendo On or anything similar
Reconfigurable buttons
Undecided:
Splitable controller and anything else I didn't cover
Post by: HereticPB on September 12, 2005, 10:37:56 PM
Post by: Mario on September 12, 2005, 10:41:16 PM
The screen we view the games on wont be on the TV, TV is optional, holograms maybe? Projection? Dunno, something similar. This will allow a fantastic way to play multiplayer because everyone can have their own screen and they can put it wherever they want at whatever size they want. Controller? No idea. I'm still holding on to my "light gun" theory where it controls like a touch screen but you dont have to touch it, just point at it. Logically i've come to the conclusion that that CAN'T be it, but it's the best guess I have. =D
Games? We'll see a SSB trailer first, demos of a racing game (either Wave Race, F-Zero, Mario Kart or something else/new), Super Mairo game, Miyamoto's new game which will be the star launch title that defines the Revolution, Wario Ware Rev, Metroid and maybe (hopefully) Pikmin. Third Party games including a brand new Sega game like Feel the Magic/Project Rub was for the DS, something from Capcom, possibly just RE5 but maybe something else as well or instead. An exclusive Tales game from Namco. A huge mature game from a talented third party developer in collaboration with Nintendo will also be present, all fronts will be covered.
The actual Revolution itself will be a box of internet, no connection necessary, it IS the internet. So it can also be used as a free hotspot for the DS!
Metroid will be the graphical showcase and people will say "wow".
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 12, 2005, 11:49:34 PM
Out: Touchscreen
In: The Rev will be technically "inferior" in terms of power to it's competitiors but be able to crank out more juice than anyone wuold have believed. Just like the GCN.
Out: The Rev will only be a few times more powerful than the cube.
In: Mario is going to KICKS ASS this time as Shigy is talking about it like he did SM64. What with the remarks about the controller being designed around the game.
Out: Mario being out by Rev launch.
In: Outies
Out: Innies
In: side
Out: doors
In: Guys with little weinies
Out: Guys with big ones
In: Nintendo's advertising will be the same as ever. Possible even MORE lame in the future
Out: It won't matter. We're buying the Rev anyway. And I mean just that. The notion that Nintendo fans are going to keep going back to the well is an outdated notion. Sure most of us will, but Nintendo can't afford to keep losing all these customers due to "image" problems.
In: out
Out: in
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 02:31:11 AM
~ Similar in shape and design to the Wavebird, but stream-lined to be more attractive to the casual gamer
~ Gyros, Haptic-feedback, "Grip buttons," Built-in mic
~ Wired + Wireless flavors
System:
~ Smaller in size (as promised by Iwata at E3)
~ Special hardware graphical techniques a la cube-mapping, etc... (quote in my sig)
Games:
~ Trailers of Mario 128, SSB3, Metroid Prime 3 for sure, and MAYBE Miyamoto's new IP and a reel of 3rd party software...
~ Sonic and RE5 finally confirmed for the system, Sega most likely to first reveal new IP on Rev...Konami, Zoonami, Clover Studio confirm Rev projects in development...
Post by: stevey on September 13, 2005, 03:48:54 AM
My favorite controller
(jap) Snes wavebird or (us) snes cotroller
Gyro
Iwata
and Pachinko
out
hot coffie controller
100 nes
win controller
touch screen controller
ps3 controoler
360 controller
reggie
and tingle
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 13, 2005, 05:15:36 AM
"Motion Capture Controller"
Optical Blue Lights
Using the DS as the controller
Metriod Prime looking as good as Gears of War
Square Enix
The Shenmue Trilogy
Satin
Out:
Touch pads
VR Glasses
Bling Bling
Violence
Mouse and Keyboard
Post by: Pale on September 13, 2005, 05:17:28 AM
In that case...
No controller shown.
Trailer of SSB3 with highlights of its online support and 8 player fights.
That's it.
Post by: Fro on September 13, 2005, 05:49:59 AM
More Advanced Rumble System
Built in Mic (which a headset can be plugged into)
HD Support
Out: 1 analog stick
"Heat and Cooling"
Touchscreen
Trackball
Nintendo ON visor
Reconfigurable Choke Hazard Buttons
Post by: Strell on September 13, 2005, 06:06:01 AM
BURNINATION!
Out:
Peasants
Post by: Ian Sane on September 13, 2005, 07:36:31 AM
What's out is easier because there are so many stupid theories.
Out:
Motion control as a replacement for the analog stick.
Touchscreen.
Glasses or goggles.
Holigraphic display (why doesn't anyone think this is possible).
Tactile touchscreens.
Squeezy handles.
Split controller. This is such a dumb idea, there's no way they'll do this.
I'm also predicting that there will be some sort of annoying flaw. The d-pad will be too small again or you won't be able to recharge the controller while playing it or something like that. Nintendo always has some little problem.
Graphically I think the hardware will be quite impressive but Nintendo will show some low poly Mario trailer that will create a lousy first impression. The classic downloads will initially be overpriced and Nintendo will limit the selection to titles everyone already owns like Super Mario Bros. However they'll fix this very quickly when everyone tears them a new one because of it.
There will also be some feature that is hidden, that won't be revealed until a few months before launch. It will be incredibly minor like clicky analog sticks which Nintendo will say they invented.
Post by: jasonditz on September 13, 2005, 08:04:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
My prediction is a mouse of some sort. Either the console comes with a seperate mouse or it has a touch pad or trackball or something. I also figure they'll have some sort of expansion slot on the controller like the N64 had for things like tilt sensor packs and stuff like that. There will be six face buttons, two analog sticks, a d-pad, and at least two shoulder buttons. It has to play all the previous games after all and I don't buy any of this "just use the Cube controller" crap. Plus you can't play N64 games on a Cube controller anyway. There's not enough buttons.
What's out is easier because there are so many stupid theories.
Out:
Motion control as a replacement for the analog stick.
Touchscreen.
Glasses or goggles.
Holigraphic display (why doesn't anyone think this is possible).
Tactile touchscreens.
Squeezy handles.
Split controller. This is such a dumb idea, there's no way they'll do this.
I'm also predicting that there will be some sort of annoying flaw. The d-pad will be too small again or you won't be able to recharge the controller while playing it or something like that. Nintendo always has some little problem.
Graphically I think the hardware will be quite impressive but Nintendo will show some low poly Mario trailer that will create a lousy first impression. The classic downloads will initially be overpriced and Nintendo will limit the selection to titles everyone already owns like Super Mario Bros. However they'll fix this very quickly when everyone tears them a new one because of it.
There will also be some feature that is hidden, that won't be revealed until a few months before launch. It will be incredibly minor like clicky analog sticks which Nintendo will say they invented.
In:
teh k1dd13
gimmicks
fatal flaws
teh d00mz0r
Games for retards and old people
Out:
Quality
Games for Gamers
Sales
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 13, 2005, 08:20:12 AM
With gyros, how could that possibly be a stupid idea?
You know how 3-D gaming was revolutionary....what about 3-D controlling? Think about it....
Post by: Ian Sane on September 13, 2005, 08:27:29 AM
It's too damn complicated. Nintendo says they want to make things easier for people to adapt to. Having two halves (and thus creating a previously unthinkable problem of losing part of a controller) is going to scare people away more than pretty much anything. Longtime gamers will probably be wary of it let alone newcombers.
Do you really want to wave your arms everywhere to execute something that in the past was a simple button press? Physical fatigue is something you normally avoid by playing games.
Post by: stevey on September 13, 2005, 08:40:13 AM
no we predicting revolution before it's too late and winner get a 100 dollor and we will trust any and all of his/her bull $h!t about for the next-gen intel the nintendo 6 system come out.
"Split controller. This is such a dumb idea, there's no way they'll do this."
there are spit controller in stores it sold with a cool gaming chair.
Post by: Pale on September 13, 2005, 08:56:18 AM
Post by: BigJim on September 13, 2005, 09:04:55 AM
Controller
- Gyros
- Analog shoulder buttons are replaced by analog trigger buttons on the bottom. Think N64's Z-trigger, but with two of them. (these together make interesting weapon targetting, no?)
Nice but not likely:
- Controllers are wifi enabled and programmable
Online:
- "Xbox Live Killer" - Integrates gamers better with unique options and content.
- Not just matchmaking, but a method of marketing.
- Access to simple tetris-style and yahoo-style games for 'pick up and play' gamers.
Nice but not likely:
- Optional online game saves so your stuff always goes with you
Post by: norebonomis on September 13, 2005, 09:26:17 AM
Post by: norebonomis on September 13, 2005, 09:27:46 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 10:20:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Pale
6 face buttons can kiss my butt.
Ditto...
Post by: Ian Sane on September 13, 2005, 10:23:22 AM
I figure they need it for the N64 games. The c-stick won't work because you can't push multiple "buttons" at the same time.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 10:33:53 AM
Ninty doesn't need more face buttons than Sony or MS...If they absolutely need to have more buttons they can include triggers...
Post by: ShyGuy on September 13, 2005, 10:59:55 AM
You know what would be wild? an arcade style joystick kind of like the neogeo controllers but with two rows of four buttons, an analog arcade joystick, and a trackball to rest your right thumb on.
Post by: Famicom on September 13, 2005, 11:09:22 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: ShyGuy
You know what would be wild? an arcade style joystick kind of like the neogeo controllers but with two rows of four buttons, an analog arcade joystick, and a trackball to rest your right thumb on.
Sans the trackball, my money is on something like that. Going back to the days of an arcade stick would be so left field....
Post by: Artimus on September 13, 2005, 11:17:07 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 13, 2005, 12:30:26 PM
Having said that, I now turn my back on months of posts and say that the controller WILL be customizable, but the customization will mostly be done by the software - gamers will only control the customization if the game they're playing chooses to let them.
Post by: stevey on September 13, 2005, 01:30:10 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 13, 2005, 01:39:07 PM
What if the controller has flash memory?
Post by: trip1eX on September 13, 2005, 01:49:12 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 01:55:09 PM
Post by: norebonomis on September 13, 2005, 01:58:38 PM
Post by: pudu on September 13, 2005, 02:40:13 PM
In:
gyroscopes
some sort of advanced feedback/rumble
microphone or headset connector
scroll wheel
regular shoulder's similar to Gamecube's
return of the z-trigger but with 2
6 face buttons (can't see how N64 would play without it...at least not well)
Out:
2 peice
touchscreen
other nonsense like holograms, headset, etc.
Possibly:
squeezable areas
hot/cold areas
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 13, 2005, 03:21:54 PM
Do you really want to wave your arms everywhere to execute something that in the past was a simple button press? Physical fatigue is something you normally avoid by playing games."
I swear to God Ian, sometimes you are so closed minded. Just cuase YOU think it'll be hard to get a hang of, doesn't mean it will be. Who are you to say what is and what isn't?
Miyamoto said that he wanted a controller that was easy to adapt to, but he also said he wanted the controller to provide functionality. He gave SMS as an example of a game that was easy to adapt to yet used every single button, and therefore provided functionality. So obviously he wasn't talking about the cosmetics of the controller (cosmetics meaning how many buttons and so forth were on the controller). Instead he was talking about the controllers ease of use. The ease of use is what won't scare people away. Just look at the DS. It is a perfect example of this. It has 6 buttons, a d-pad, two-screens, and a touchscreen. You would agree it looks really complicated? Well those people who play Nintendogs (i'm talking directly about non-gamers) aren't scared away by such a complicated (looking) system because it is so easy to use. This ease of use is Nintendo's philosopy.
I think controllers today are only scary because they seem so abstract. It's hard for people to interact on a level they'd like to when the whole controller idea seems so weird and complex to them. People feel more at "home" when they use a racing wheel to control a car; or they use a flight stick to land an airplane.
A two-part gyration controller could be the first step to a controller that can adapt to many different situations. It can be the flight stick, the steering wheel, the boxing gloves, the pair of guns, the fishing rod, the hammer, the bow and arrow, the putter, etc. etc. This type of realistic interaction automatically means ease of use. It's that simple, it's Nintendogs simple. Now, it may not cover every area of gaming, but it does a pretty damn good job for something that can't morph into something else.
Think about Nintendo's philosophy for a moment. You'd agree that those DS games, that only use the touchscreen as the means for control, are easy to use. You'd also agree that those same games are the ones that non-gamers would most likely like. Well I got a question for you....what would make gyration so different? Gyration is very precise, to the point where you may have to turn down the sensitivity. So no, you won't be flailing your arms everywhere.
You need to open your mind to the possibilities and it's theoritical ease of use.
Post by: wandering on September 13, 2005, 03:35:02 PM
Or, imagine a 3rd person adventure game where - instead of fiddling with an annoying camera - you simply point at what you want to focus on with the gyro control, and an intellegint camera automagically gives you the best view possible.
The possiblities are endless.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 13, 2005, 03:46:03 PM
Post by: pudu on September 13, 2005, 03:49:02 PM
I've found this blog to be quite interesting (note: I didn't say it's all true
In his last post he sums up some of the info he's posted on his blog and says what he believes Nintendo has in store for us. A pretty good read.
Post by: Unsung Zero on September 13, 2005, 03:49:38 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on September 13, 2005, 04:02:34 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: wandering
Less than 3 days til IWATATON...
Okay, who named this damn thing. I need to strangle them.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 04:06:20 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 13, 2005, 04:07:09 PM
bragbragbrag, some of the pietriots can attest to this if you feel the need to confirm such trivial details.HOWEVER, if you do not support IWATATON, you are a SINNER.
Edit: hay BillfastposterAurion
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 04:08:07 PM
Post by: mantidor on September 13, 2005, 05:03:47 PM
... and my prediction is nothing will happen, and if happens, there will be too much bitching about so Ill leave gaming forums for a couple of weeks.Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2005, 07:06:52 PM
IN
- Donairs
- MARZIPAN (I love it)
- Haptics (tested thoroughly) and extremely comfortable controller
- Trailers of Mario 128, SSB:R (huge map w/ 8 players) , MP3, along with a graphic depicting all the 3rd parties that are on board including a few notable titles (RE5, Sonic, etc) and a few exclusives - RPG and/or mature game
- D-Pad combined with trackball in the middle
- Mention of something embedded in the Revolution but definitely won't go into detail
- Talking about Retro and Miyamoto's new IPs
- Different type of feedback
OUT
- Pikmin
- Gyros, splittable controller
- Full 3D
- Every single other rumour on the 'Net (1,432,756 and counting)
EDIT: Oh yeah, also in ---> BRILLIANT online interface demo
Post by: pudu on September 13, 2005, 07:22:24 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: IceCold
- D-Pad combined with trackball in the middle
Hmm interesting idea...I'm just having trouble seeing it's usefulness or how it would work. If they do have a Dpad I want it to be a nice big one with a good feel to it. Same goes for the trackball. But, hey, if you can explain how your dpad + trackball thing could work I could change my mind about it.
Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2005, 07:30:22 PM
Post by: pudu on September 13, 2005, 07:38:25 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: IceCold
Pudu: I'm envisioning a pretty big, rounded D-Pad, which is concave. A bit like the ones you see in some digital cameras except a little different, with very good response. Then, in the middle of the depression, a trackball that protrudes but not so much that it's in the way of the D-Pad. Yes, this could make the trackball a bit undersized, but it should still work.
That sounds like your on to something. What I'm mainly having trouble with though is how someone is supposed to use the Dpad without affecting the trackball and visa versa. Ideas could be a lockable trackball or making sure not to use both devices at once in a game at the same time. If the latter idea is used then the only reason of having the two control mechanisms together would be to save space.
Post by: IceCold on September 13, 2005, 07:49:52 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 13, 2005, 08:02:15 PM
I've heard that rumour. Why would Nintendo drop one of their best new franchises in years? I really hope it's not true. Pikmin is still fresh and interesting and there's a lot more to do with it. If they drop it they better not just replace it with MORE Mario spinoffs. Hell I don't even really want them to replace it with something new. If something new has to replace something replace something OLD.
Post by: pudu on September 13, 2005, 08:10:28 PM
Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand. Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad. That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things. What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller. If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick? Sounds awful!
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 13, 2005, 11:15:23 PM
If pikmin dies a small part of me will die with it.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 14, 2005, 05:55:31 AM
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Originally posted by: pudu
Well I've been thinking about gyros and if they do place them in the controller they will need to save space so maybe this idea could be used afterall. Anyway, what I mean by this is if gyros are in their new controller it really would make more sense to do a split controller. I know just above I said there is not chance of this but I'm actually hoping they do it now. How much movement will a one peice controller allow you? I mean if you are moving the whole controller around controlling the buttons and sticks would become pretty darn hard and pretty complicated.
Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand. Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad. That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things. What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller. If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick? Sounds awful!
Exactly.
Gyros are most likely implemented in the controller. Since Nintendo's deal with Gyration is the only concrete evidence we have for the REV controller, I think it's safe to assume that it will be placed in the controller somehow.
Having gyros in a normal one-peice controller doesn't provide much room for imagination. Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware). If Nintendo were to simply have a one-piece controller with such a technology, it would essentially waste the technology. Nobody wants the REV to be more tilt games. That's not revolutionary nor does it sound very fun in the first place.
To get the most out of Gyration technology, splitting the controller in half is your best bet. Cause now you can emulate arm movements, which has a much higher degree of possibilities that include all tilt games.
Anyway, I'm getting my hopes up..... I know it
but I could care less.
Post by: trip1eX on September 14, 2005, 06:00:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Ninty has already said MANY times that specs don't matter...Would it make ANY sense for them to not show anything on the Rev but specs? No...
? You're assuming they have to reveal something this weekend or that this conference is some kind of deadline or something. IF they wanted to give out more info about the Revolution, but didn't want to shoot their wad just yet then maybe they just give out specs. This would give all their fans a bit to chew on, it would reassure folks the Revolution will be plenty powerful, and it will keep their controller secret for awhile longer. They have been a bit paranoid about it being copied.
Ninty's position on specs is misunderstood. They like more power and better graphics. They just don't think that's the only key to making games.
****************
I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller. It's a no-brainer this tech is in the next controller. The question is what other techs are also in there.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 14, 2005, 06:18:38 AM
Noted. You will be held to that.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 14, 2005, 06:35:17 AM
Its not a question of what other techs are also in there, rather how will the implement technology that we are almost positive they'll use (gyros)?
Post by: Strell on September 14, 2005, 07:14:14 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller.
Noted. You will be held to that.
WE WILL DEMAND VIDEO OF SAID ACTIVITIES.
......
..
IWATATON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: pudu on September 14, 2005, 12:31:50 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Don'tHate742Quote
Originally posted by: pudu
Well I've been thinking about gyros and if they do place them in the controller they will need to save space so maybe this idea could be used afterall. Anyway, what I mean by this is if gyros are in their new controller it really would make more sense to do a split controller. I know just above I said there is not chance of this but I'm actually hoping they do it now. How much movement will a one peice controller allow you? I mean if you are moving the whole controller around controlling the buttons and sticks would become pretty darn hard and pretty complicated.
Yea, I know that a two piece controller could cause the same dilema but not if you are only moving one hand. Lets say that the right pad has the gyro control and only buttons while the left side has the sticks and possibly a trackball and/or Dpad. That would leave your important hand stable and the right one more free to move around smoothly without overly-complicating things. What I'm getting at is that having one hand control movement in two different ways seems way too over the top and complicated to impliment in a controller. If the whole controller had to be moved as one piece this would be inevitable...imagine trying to move the controller around quickly and not mess up you thumb positioning and movement on the control stick? Sounds awful!
Exactly.
Gyros are most likely implemented in the controller. Since Nintendo's deal with Gyration is the only concrete evidence we have for the REV controller, I think it's safe to assume that it will be placed in the controller somehow.
Having gyros in a normal one-peice controller doesn't provide much room for imagination. Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware). If Nintendo were to simply have a one-piece controller with such a technology, it would essentially waste the technology. Nobody wants the REV to be more tilt games. That's not revolutionary nor does it sound very fun in the first place.
To get the most out of Gyration technology, splitting the controller in half is your best bet. Cause now you can emulate arm movements, which has a much higher degree of possibilities that include all tilt games.
Anyway, I'm getting my hopes up..... I know it
Restricted range of movement was only one of the drawbacks of implimenting gyros in a one-piece controller. Ok try this guys (and gals?), pic up your controller and move it around as if you are conrolling something with motion-sensing control AND try to also think about your thumb as it moves the analogue stick around as if controlling another movement. Just trying to think about it is hard for me...and the fact that moving your arms around would make the chances of messing up on the stick even greater. A two piece controller with each hand only being responsible for a different dirrectional movement seems far more plausible to me if they used gyros.
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 14, 2005, 12:36:59 PM
If it does have them I will not laugh.
Post by: wandering on September 14, 2005, 12:47:10 PM
Quote
A two piece controller with each hand only being responsible for a different dirrectional movement seems far more plausible to me if they used gyros.
Plus, Nintendo actually patented a 2-piece splittable controller awhile back....
Post by: pudu on September 14, 2005, 01:17:01 PM
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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
If the controller doesn't have gyros at all I'm going to laugh really hard because of how positive you guys are that it will have them.
If it does have them I will not laugh.
Considering the fact that there are thousands of threads and blogs run on almost 100% speculation, rumor, and he said,she said type info. whatever is revealed will have to be taken for what it is. Just because we speculate to no end doesn't mean Nintendo has to do what we think they might do. We've basically created everything from thin air and have hyped it up ourselves.
The funny thing is I allowed myself to get caught up in it all in a big way so no matter what happens I'll probably be dissapointed on some level.
Post by: Fro on September 14, 2005, 01:37:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Everything that really could be done with such a technology, has been done (i.e. Kirby Tilt, and Wario Ware).
There's quite a big difference between a tilt sensor, which is what Wario Ware uses, and a gyroscope like Gyration is producing which senses movement in an accurate fashion along the X and Y axises.
I agree that it'd be quite awkward to use gyros for movement, for example, in a standard boomerang-shaped controller. You wouldn't have the freedom of movement, nor the control options you'd have with a splittable controller.
Post by: BigJim on September 14, 2005, 05:39:37 PM
I know it's ghetto to tease but i If it's not announced then I'll mention what I heard. I'm not gonna be the one to "break" it on the eve of the show OR look like a tard if they don't mention it. LOL. But I think it's good news if true.
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 14, 2005, 06:50:24 PM
Post by: Dasmos on September 14, 2005, 08:14:20 PM
Iwata dancing on stage
Mario sporting new goatee and possibly tongue ring
Pink bow-ties
My new quilt cover
OUT:
Furby
Midnight Snacks
Touch Screens (except in the case of the DS)
I believe that not much will be shown at TGS, although I wish there will be. At least IWATA is speaking hs own language and will not seem so cryptic.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 15, 2005, 01:10:03 PM
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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
If the controller doesn't have gyros at all I'm going to laugh really hard because of how positive you guys are that it will have them.
If it does have them I will not laugh.
I'd laugh also.
I never said I was positive. Instead, I'm assuming (which is a bad thing to do, but meh..) that it is implemented somehow due to fact that Nintendo and Gyration signed some deal for an un-disclosed amount. That bit of information combined with all that was said at E3 are the only fundational clues that we have.
But, oh well...it seems like our game of geuss and hope is over (thank God).
I'm sure that Nintendo won't dissapoint regardless of what the controller turns out to be.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 16, 2005, 05:54:54 AM
I think this design could work very well or very poorly. Nintendo will no doubt release a lot of "Non-gamer games" that use ONLY the remote controller. That may appeal to non-gamers, but I think the add-ons may scare them away as well. Can you imagine having to rebuild your controllers every time you switch games at a party? What about the cost of all the add-ons? Nintendo is going to have to play this carefully to keep costs down and avoid ticking customers off.
Post by: mantidor on September 16, 2005, 07:28:59 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
Oye. Ok, I just chatted with someone at EA. He told me some of the buzz going around. If true and Nintendo discusses it, then TGS will kick off some of the fan-hitting sh*t.
I know it's ghetto to tease but i If it's not announced then I'll mention what I heard. I'm not gonna be the one to "break" it on the eve of the show OR look like a tard if they don't mention it. LOL. But I think it's good news if true.
so what was it? it doesnt sound like the remote thing for me... or was the motion sensor?
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 16, 2005, 08:28:36 PM
Post by: BigJim on September 16, 2005, 08:42:37 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
Oye. Ok, I just chatted with someone at EA. He told me some of the buzz going around. If true and Nintendo discusses it, then TGS will kick off some of the fan-hitting sh*t.
I know it's ghetto to tease but i If it's not announced then I'll mention what I heard. I'm not gonna be the one to "break" it on the eve of the show OR look like a tard if they don't mention it. LOL. But I think it's good news if true.
so what was it? it doesnt sound like the remote thing for me... or was the motion sensor?
D'oh. Forgot to post a follow-up. What he heard was motion sensitivity and a modular design. Neither were huge surprises. They've been rumored for a while... Didn't know about the shape, though.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2005, 09:07:20 PM
Post by: wandering on September 17, 2005, 02:35:47 AM
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Hey where's my cookies. I won (see post on first page). Who's the Man? Boogie's the Man!!!
Sorry to break this to you man, but, well....
Here are the scores:
me RIGHT (contoller that splits in 2) (device for reading movement in ONE half) (no trackball) (no scroll wheel) (no hot/cold) (no traditional button layout [+1/2]) (no dual gyros) (no dual screen) 7.5 WRONG (controller that can plug directly into tv) (3-d) (advanced feedback) (touch-sensitive technology) (no reconfigurable buttons) 5 score: 2.5
shyguy RIGHT (customisable control) (no visor) (no acid-wash jeans) 3 wrong 0 uncertain (secondary gimmick controller) (microphone) (mario 128) (impressive visuals) (utilize usb ports) (high-def) 6 score: 3
KDR RIGHT (controller, [+1] probably with gyros [-1/2]) 0.5 WRONG (no adding –ton to any word to hype it up) 1 score: -0.5)
ThePerm RIGHT (controller that splits) (can act as mouse) (can act as controller gun) 3 WRONG (gyro [-1/2]) (small lcd) (analog rumbling shoulders) 2.5 UNCERTAIN (microphone) score: 0.5
PaLaDiN RIGHT (no gyros [as in the sandwich]) (no glasses) (no trackball) 3 WRONG (no controller that splits) (shawarmas) (gyroscopes [-1/2]) (some sort of pressure sensitivity) (one piece controller) 4.5 score: -1.5
Hostile Creation RIGHT 0 WRONG (revolution being omnipotent) (no sony or ms fanboys) 2 score: -2
MJRx9000 RIGHT (no color-and-shape coded buttons) (no anything purple) 2 wrong (pressure-sensitive a and b buttons) 1 uncertain (built-in headphone jack) score: 1
MrMojoRising RIGHT (no touch screen) (no Nintendo on) 2 wrong (trackball) (no reconfigurable buttons) 1 uncertain (gyroscopes of some sort) (microphone and separate headset jack) (undecided on splittable controller) score: 1
HereticPB WRONG (Iwata won’t say anything related to rev) 1 score: -1
Mario RIGHT (controls like a touch screen but you don’t have to touch it) 1 WRONG (won’t view games on TV, TV optional) 1 WRONG, but unscored (predictions for how the games will be shown at TGS) UNCERTAIN (revolution will be box of internet) (metroid will be a graphical showcase) (people will say “wow”) score: 0
Rancid Planet RIGHT (no touchscreen) WRONG (gyroscopes [-1/2]) UNKNOWN (the revolution will not be only a few times more powerful than the cube) (Mario is going to KICK ASS) (Mario won’t be ready for launch) (revolution’s advertising will be lame) (RancidPlanet’s other predictions) score: 0.5
Bill Aurion RIGHT 0 WRONG (similar in shape to wavebird [-1/2, possible with traditional shell]) (gyros [-1/2}) (haptic-feedback) (grip-buttons) 3 uncertain (built-in mic) (wired + wireless flavors) (system smaller in size) (special hardware graphical techniques) (Sonic and RE5) (Sega, Konami, Clover Studio, Zoonami support) WRONG, but unscored (trailers for Mario 128,m Metroid Prime 3, and maybe Miyamoto’s new IP and a reel of 3rd party software) score: -3
Stevey RIGHT (Iwata) (no hot coffee controller) (no 100 nes controller) (no win controller) (no touchscreen controller) (no ps3 controller) (no 360 controller) (no reggie) (no tingle) 9 wrong (my favorite controller) (gyro) (Pachinko) 3 uncertain ((jap) snes Wavebird or (us snes controller) score: 6
Nile Boogie RIGHT (mo-cap controller) (optical blue lights) (satin) (no touch pads) (no VR glasses) (no mouse and keyboard) 6 wrong 0 uncertain (using the DS as the controller) (Metroid Prime looking as good as gears of war) (Square Enix [they declared support before Nile Boogie wrote his prediction, but didn’t show up at TGS. No score]) (The Shenmue trilogy) (no Bling Bling) (no violence [I’m not sure what you meant by this. Violent games were shown in demo form, though]) score: 6
Pale RIGHT 0 wrong (no controller shown at TGS) 1 WRONG, but no score (trailer of SSB3 with highlights of its online support and 8 player fights.) score: -1
Fro RIGHT (splittable controller) (no heat and cooling) (no touchscreen) (no trackball) (no Nintendo ON visor) 5 wrong (2 gyros) (no 1 analog stick [-1/2]) (Reconfigurable choke hazard buttons [the controllers are reconfigurable and use a cord that could pose choke hazard –1/2 point]) 2 uncertain (built-in mic) (HD support) score: 3
Strell RIGHT (no peasants) 1 wrong 0 UNCERTAIN (burnination) 1 score: 1
IanSane RIGHT (expansion slot) (d-pad) (at least 2 shoulder buttons) (can play all previous games) (no touch screen) (no glasses or goggles) (no holographic display) (no tactile touchscreens) (no squeezy handles) (low-poly demo) 10 WRONG (6 face buttons [-1/2. possible with expansion]) (no split controller) 1.5 uncertain (a mouse of some sort [the controller has been described as a 3d mouse, but that’s clearly not what Ian meant]) (motion control as a replacement for analog stick [whether or not the motion control replaces an analogue stick is debatable]) (2 analogue sticks [probably present with traditional shell]) (some sort of annoying flaw [obviously subjective and debatable]) (initially overpriced downloads w/ limited selection) (hidden feature that won’t be revealed until a few months before launch) score: 8.5
Jasonditz RIGHT (the k1dd13) (gimmicks) (fatal flaws) (the d00mz0r) (games for retards and old people) (no quality (no games for gamers) (no sales). Absolutely, 100% right on all counts.
no score.BigJim RIGHT 0 wrong (gyros [-1/2]) uncertain (Analog shoulder buttons are replaced by analog trigger buttons on the bottom [I’m not sure what you mean]) (Xbox Live Killer –integrates games better with unique options and content) (not just matchmaking, but a method of marketing) (access to simple tetris-style and yahoo-style games online) score: -0.5
Pudu RIGHT (regular shoulder’s similar to Gamecube’s) (return of the Z-trigger but with 2) (no holograms) (no headset) 4 wrong (gyroscopes [-1/2]) (scroll wheel) (6 face buttons {-1/2]) (no 2 piece) 3 uncertain (microphone or headset connector) BONUS [+1 for changing mind about the usefulness of 2-piece controller] score: 2
Dasmos RIGHT (no furby) (no midnight snacks) (no touch screens (except in the case of the ds)) 3 wrong (pink bow ties) (“my new quilt cover”) 2 uncertain (Mario sporting new goatee and possibly tongue ring) score: 1
Unsung Zero RIGHT (the controller will be revealed) 1 WRONG (it will feature gyros, served open faced with gracious amount of tsanziki sauce) 1 score: 0
Mantidor RIGHT (if it happens, there will be too much bitching [+1 1/2]) wrong (nothing will happen) 1 score: 0.5
IceCold RIGHT (no gyros {+1/2]) (no full 3-d) 1.5 wrong (donairs) (MARZIPAN) (haptics) (d-pad combined with trackball in the middle) (different type of feedback) 5 wrong, but no score (trailers) (mention of something embedded in the Revolution) (BRILLIANT online interface demo) uncertain (talking about Retro and Miyamoto’s IPS) (no pikmin) (every single other rumor, besides gyros and full 3-d, on the net is false)
score: -3.5
WINNER: Ian Sane, with 8.5 points
SECOND PLACE: TIE between Nile Boogie and Stevey (yes, really), with 6 points each.
---SPECIAL AWARDS--
The early-predictor award goes to Don’tHate, for being the first person (that I know of) to draw a two-piece controller design.
The shucks-for-you award goes to Nile Boogie, for having an overall better idea of what the controller would be than both the winner and the person he tied with.
The losers are winners too award goes to Bill Aurion, for having the worst score: ---3 points.
[edit] Whoops, sorry, this award actually goes to IceCold., with -3.5 points.
The beating the system award goes to Stevey, for obvious reasons.
The Trogdor award goes to Strell.
And, finally, the ego-stroking award goes to me: because I deserve an award for predicting, in other threads, that Nintendo would/should opt for a primary button-secondary button setup instead of a traditional 4-button setup. Yeah.
Okay, then. IanSane, if you give me your address, I’ll send a box of frookies to you. Congrats.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 17, 2005, 03:03:27 AM
This is the most outrageous oversight in the history of freedom. I will not rest until I've had justice, JUSTICE I SAY!.
"Let he who promises Frookies deliver them upon the righteous and starved, for that is the way of good things. Let not his hand retract into lies and deceit for these lead to the path of the spamer and the unsatin, for which there is no return.
Well that was fun.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 17, 2005, 05:00:13 AM
more secrets are yet to be revealed...
Post by: pudu on September 17, 2005, 07:10:46 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 17, 2005, 08:11:17 AM
Mario gets all my cookies, even if they are store bought.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 17, 2005, 10:33:06 AM
I'll sit down and complete Star Fox Adventures if gryos aren't in the new controller.
dodged the bullet
Post by: Artimus on September 17, 2005, 10:43:39 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on September 17, 2005, 10:54:32 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 17, 2005, 11:01:38 AM
It's gyros and a bluetooth sensor (which allows the REV to know how far away you are...or even where you are corresponding to the tv). It's the combination of these two that make the REV controller what it is.
Post by: zakkiel on September 17, 2005, 12:15:09 PM
Post by: wandering on September 17, 2005, 12:42:08 PM
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Let he who promises Frookies deliver them upon...[Nile Boogie]...
Sorry, no can do. MAYBE I'll get you a box of animal frackers.
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don't forget that all has not been revealed... yet.
Alright, fine. I'll do a recount when everything's revealed, sheesh.
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I don't understand how Mario gets 0 points when he actually guessed RIGHT.
What, you want me to give him an extra point just because he made an especially good guess?
Alright, fine. One extra point for Mario. His score his now 1. He still loses. No cookies for Mario.
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Ya there are gyros..
I know there are internal sensors for determining pitch and yaw, but I didn't think the controller had actual gyros. I could be wrong, though.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 17, 2005, 12:55:12 PM
Actually I'm not positive myself. Either way, what is inside the controller is developed by Gyration
As for the link that describes the whole process....
[L]http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651559p1.html[/L]
Heres the more important part (though it is a good read)....
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The remote-like peripheral, which has been called the "free-hand style controller" and "pointer" by Nintendo, interacts with a sensor bar placed above, below, or near televisions. The bar contains two sensors that communicate with the controller using Bluetooth technology. The marriage transforms the pointer into a virtual wand of sorts, enabling users to move objects and characters in games simply by moving the peripheral. The sensors read the pointer's every move in real-time space. They can detect up, down, left and right motion, and also translate forward and backward depth. The controller's sensors also recognize twisting, rotating and tilting movements. In short, any motion made by arms and wrists can be translated to Revolution games.
This controller sensor could be anything, but then again on Gyrations website they have listed a functional gyro-mechanic that recognizes twisting, rotating, and tiliting movements while still being very durable, very small, and very cheap.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 17, 2005, 03:06:33 PM
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What, you want me to give him an extra point just because he made an especially good guess?
Indeed I do
Mario gets 100 points for correctly guessing the Revolution*, Mario wins.*You know what I'm going to say here.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 17, 2005, 05:37:54 PM
