Post by: pudu on September 09, 2005, 09:55:57 PM
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This week's question: Nintendo has stressed time and again that Revolution's most innovative element is its still-unshown controller. However, what's to stop competitors from simply copying the device?
Perrin Kaplan, vice president of marketing and corporate affairs, Nintendo of America: The entire controller will be remarkably innovative. We're working on something that truly will provide a unique gameplay experience. That's our goal -- to not only have a unique controller, but introduce a new way to enjoy games. We'll have to see if its innovation inspires others to creativity as well. And remember, we are securing the appropriate intellectual property rights for the product.
"...to not only have a unique controller, but to introduce a new way to enjoy games"
Alright, they keep pressing this point and it's, what I think, exactly what they need to gain back some of their market share in the console race next gen. They keep saying look at the DS for a hint at the Rev. and this must be the part they are referring to. They aren't hinting at the DS's unique features being similar or the same as the Rev's, but rather they are probably showing us that creating a new way to "enjoy games" is what is needed to bring forth a true revolution. I simply don't see either of Sony's or MS's next consoles as anything "revolutionary" because they have simply taken what they were the last gen and improved in all the areas they thought were important...all but the area that really only Nintendo seems to care about: CONTROL. How are games going to be really any different then they are this gen? On those systems they really can't be imo. Sure better specs leads to more options but the jump isn't quite what I'd consider a revolution.
Now then, look at Nintendo. If they do, indeed, offer a new and innovative way to control games and are the only ones with this feature they will be in a class of their own. Games made on the Rev, for the Rev, won't be able to be ported to any other console if these games make use of the unique features. Sure the controls could be revamped but it truely won't be the same. The best part is, though, it won't be a two way street. Nintendo's console will probably be able to run every game made for the other consoles. Even if there may need to be graphical adjustments I'm willing to bet any game could be ported over one way or the other. By doing this Nintendo will have (as they seem to bring up quite often) actually placed themself outside of the other consoles direct line of fire and will have created an entirely new entity.
"...we are securing the appropriate intellectual property rights for the product."
This is something I don't think a lot of people are remembering. If done correctly, Nintendo could secure this technology to be used on their consoles and only their consoles. The worry could be though that there will be a loophole or work-around discovered like in the past and their product will be copied. I really hope their patent will be thorough enough to ward off such attempts...at least for this next gen.
And last but not least, my favorite part, "The entire controller will be remarkably innovative."
This leads me to believe that there is definately going to be some of the cool rumored features in the controller. 'Remarkable' is a very strong word and simply a cool controller design or a scroll wheel isn't going to warrant this label. So what made the cut? Gyros? Heat/cold "zones"? Haptics (enhanced rumble/controller movement)? Squeez zones? Man...please Iwataton don't let me down!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 10, 2005, 12:59:41 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 10, 2005, 05:44:01 AM
Post by: ThePerm on September 10, 2005, 08:54:03 AM
Post by: Artimus on September 10, 2005, 09:41:42 AM
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Originally posted by: ThePerm
perrin kapplan gave an unimportant non answer...
Jedi MASTA!
Post by: pudu on September 10, 2005, 06:32:04 PM
Post by: IceCold on September 10, 2005, 07:40:03 PM
On the other hand, once someone not involved with Nintendo comments on the Rev, we jump all over it.
Post by: pudu on September 10, 2005, 09:49:23 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
No - it's not that; it's just that Kaplan is so used to equivocating, and we've heard it so much from her. And Nintendo has been saying from the beginning time and time again, "It is truly innovative," "It inspires a completely unique experience," as well as the whole "paradigm shift" etc... that it's not really new.
On the other hand, once someone not involved with Nintendo comments on the Rev, we jump all over it.
Alright, I see where you're coming from. Please take what I said earlier lightly...just wasn't in a good mood when I wrote it.
Post by: Strell on September 11, 2005, 06:19:54 AM
That could give meaning to the entire "we can't have store demos" thing too. Something holographic/3D glasses?......No way....
*sigh*
/has been in a constant state of life support consciousness since E3, complete with spasms and frothing at the mouth...
//can't wait for IWATATON
Post by: ThePerm on September 11, 2005, 08:47:21 PM
REGGIE!!!!!
Post by: Ian Sane on September 12, 2005, 07:46:45 AM
Comments from outside parties like the one from THQ have more credibility. It's in Kaplan's best interests that Nintendo's ideas be well received. THQ isn't going to care what Nintendo does because they have two other consoles to make money on. If an outsider has good things to say about the Rev then it's worth getting excited about because they have less cause to be dishonest.
I don't know if Kaplan was working with Nintendo ten years ago but if she was she would have been praising the Virtual Boy as the next big thing.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2005, 08:22:58 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2005, 08:31:07 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2005, 09:07:47 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2005, 09:11:43 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2005, 09:27:55 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2005, 09:48:19 AM
N64: Carts
GameCube: Connectivity and no online.
Granted, Nintendo does most things right but they still seem a bit "snooty" for my taste sometimes. Maybe thats because I'm from humble beginings(In north philadelphia born and raised...) and I hate when nouns get "too big for thier britches".
Post by: Ian Sane on September 12, 2005, 10:09:13 AM
Obviously they should promote their own ideas. They should be careful about throwing around huge statements like "new kind of gaming" but it's common sense to not badmouth your own product.
But we shouldn't take these statements very seriously. We always do unfortunately and that can result in being let down. Nintendo should take that into consideration when they talk about future products. "We're trying something new out that's going to be a great addition to the controller" is a little more safe than "The entire controller will be remarkably innovative."
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 12, 2005, 10:55:07 AM
N64: Carts
GameCube: Connectivity and no online."
Of all of those example, only connectivity is a valid example. No online is not an idea, it's a decision they chose to justify. No playstation diskdrive was not an idea, it was a business decision and mistake that went to hell. Carts were not an idea, they were a continuation of what had already been. It's not as if Nintendo said "Carts will be the wave of the future you guys".
Connectivity? Now I've been following Nintendo as long as anyone here, pretty much (well since connectivity), and Nintendo never forced me into being hyped about connectivity. They said it was a good idea and displayed it quite a lot, yes. And it was a good idea, a great idea even. It didn't take off, that's too much crap to buy and everything. But I don't think they personally hyped it anymore than they needed to. I certainly didn't give any hopes up about it.
In short, bad examples, especially since only one of them is an actual example. The others were mistakes or problems or decisions that they justified and (for the most part) are correcting.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 12, 2005, 11:32:54 AM
You can't make the type of games we want to make because of load times on CD's
the space isn't neccesary and no one will need or use all that space......
or The industry isn't ready for online.... it isn't profitable yet......
connectivity is the great new innovative feature.... we have ideas for it, really we do, it not a gimmick...
sounds like they were justifying their business decisions/ideas to themselves
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2005, 11:44:49 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2005, 11:49:48 AM
Post by: odifiend on September 12, 2005, 12:45:39 PM
But still Nintendo is the sh!t. Seriously, they are. But when they talk about certain features (like connectivity or even the digital click feature for example) they act like it will be the next analogue stick - they are pretty nifty but they just don't have THAT much potential. It seems Nintendo is either incredibly optimistic about the impact each of their creations will leave or they have an over-inflated sense of self.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 12, 2005, 01:31:26 PM
Post by: pudu on September 12, 2005, 01:57:27 PM
Nintendo takes risks and (like any other company) backs their decisions and try their best to hype them up. Some of thier risks don't pay off. Oh well.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 12, 2005, 02:51:21 PM
How? Wouldn't it be more profitable to make people buy new devices than having them use the ones they already have? I can assure you the developers thought of connectivity in creative ways, the publishers weren't on a profit hunt. They just made the best they could out of Miyamoto's interest in it.
Alright, I understand what you're saying then, Boogie. I imagine they can be like that, I just never found myself getting hyped up in anything that didn't end up pleasing me.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2005, 03:48:19 PM
"We don't have to listen to anybody, we're Nintendo, we made the industry what it is today". " For Mario is their King and Link his only son (blasphemy not intended)". I do love Nintendo and I hope they deliver on the promise of a shift in the way we play games. And I'm not cynical at all, hell I liked all they StarWars prequels Jar Jar included.
"Humble thyself before the eyes of man and ye shall be rewarded with foresight and goatsmilk".
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2005, 03:52:05 PM
Well, I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I'm sure as hell glad Ninty hasn't gone the path of trying to mature every franchise of theirs to a sickening proportion...and flood marketing with lies...THOSE HELPED THE OTHER COMPANIES!
And let's not even get into how Nintendo isn't "humble" because that's just a lie...
Post by: Artimus on September 12, 2005, 04:19:37 PM
But their decisions aren't arrogance against their competitors as much as their belief that they know the best way to provide for the best games.
Post by: Nile Boogie on September 12, 2005, 05:11:22 PM
Post by: zakkiel on September 12, 2005, 05:36:02 PM
QuoteThey're ridiculously proud. That's why they've managed to so thoroughly alienate third parties.
And let's not even get into how Nintendo isn't "humble" because that's just a lie...
Post by: Artimus on September 12, 2005, 06:27:18 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 12, 2005, 06:56:07 PM
Post by: NobleXenon54 on September 13, 2005, 02:58:54 AM
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You can't make the type of games we want to make because of load times on CD's
the space isn't neccesary and no one will need or use all that space......
Well, that statement is sorta true, only to the developers that aren't lazy. If were to use a hex editor, you'll be surprised just how much space a game really takes up. An example would be a game like Pokemon (Sapphire). Use translhextion, you'll see that the 16 MegaByte Rom has only 9 Megabytes of information stored in there at best, this is just counting the thousands of FF's and 00's that are place consecutively, not the random empty spaces that are pocketed in there. When you go into 3-D, a lot of errors are made, some bad coding, and other things left in there, like Hot Coffee. It is really up to the developers to get rid of bad coding, and save space, but, they don't. I really doubt that a PS1 game really took up 650/700 MB of space, but they were cheaper to use than carts, but then the load times. Nintendo did go to discs, got rid of load times with streaming, but IMO, they should have made the GameCube Optical Disk the size of a standard disk, we probably would see more third part support. Oh, the part about Online, see Microsoft's profits. XD
Post by: Ian Sane on September 13, 2005, 07:22:27 AM
I'd agree with that. For some things, like making super generic extreme titles with boobs and blood, it's good Nintendo has not copied the competition but in some others it's like they just don't want to admit someone else had a better idea. Demo discs on the Cube was a good example. Their method of distributing demos was so insane it's like they intentionally did things wrong to prove a point or something. "We didn't think of this idea so it won't work. See? It didn't work."
Though Nintendo does have some reason to have an over-inflated sense of self. They do have a better track record of brilliant innovations than any other game company. Part of the reason why they haven't reached expectations lately is because they set the bar really high. There's pessimism regarding the Rev controller because the last few times Nintendo made a big deal about something they cried wolf. But if the Rev controller delivers then next time around there will be a lot more optimism. They really just need something really great and they'll regain their credibility as innovators.
Post by: NobleXenon54 on September 14, 2005, 12:07:58 PM
