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Title: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Djunknown on September 09, 2005, 06:57:35 PM
I didn't know if this warrants its own seperate topic, but here it is anyway.

Read it and weep; or bitch whatever comes first

For the lazy, here are some snippets(Somewhat old news, but new info):

"First up was the announcement that yes indeed, there is a next-generation Sonic game in the works. Billed as a "re-invention" of the classic franchise, Sonic the Hedgehog will make its debut on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 sometime during 2006."

Now add insult to injury:

"We are proud to re-create our famous friend, Sonic, for a new generation of gamers on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360," said Naka. "With Sonic the Hedgehog, we have gone back to our starting point, more than 15 years ago, to reinvent the attitude and speed that made our hero a legend. The 'rebirth of Sonic' will offer an unparalleled sense of speed that is only possible using the processing power afforded by the new systems."

Good for Sonic, bad for Nintendo where he's done the best.

Now lets see: Sonic has the best sales figures on Nintendo's system. SA2 was one of the top selling 'Cube games period.The Sonic Advance series was great (Try comparing Sonic N to Sonic Advance to jog your memory..). Sonic Heroes sold the best on the 'Cube (despite mixed reviews from critics and fans alike), even being the 'best' version. And now this crap? Now Sega's lack of business sense has been well documented, but this is low. This stupidity is painful.

Now before someone says "What about RE 5? It wasn't announced for the Rev at first?", remember that the RE series left a sour taste in both Nintendo's and Capcom's mouth. As of this writing, it MAY come out for the Rev, but that's another story. This is Sega, who's done pretty well on Nintendo's systems. The money and sales should be talking, instead, more disrespect.  Its like the Soul Calibur 3 debacle all over again...

Now it could be possible that Sega could announce a REV version later, but that's not the point.  This is the upmteenth time I'm hearing press releases for Next-Gen games announced for the '360 and PS3. Its like the REV is an anti-hype machine. Its like they can't bother to mention from the get go. Its as if REV need to get down their knees and beg for 3rd party games so far.

P.S Now to be fair, I'll throw a bone to Nintendo since they might have NDA's so airtight, Devs and Publishers can't really talk about specific titles as of this writing. Take that as you will.

*Bitch mode shuts down*

Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: King of Twitch on September 09, 2005, 07:14:09 PM
I didn't see anywhere that explicitly says the game won't be coming out for Revolution.

NDAs about games still make no sense to me whatsoever; controllers and features are one thing, but to make it look like no game is going to come out is maddening.  
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 09, 2005, 07:18:06 PM
That's just how it works...I reaaaaaaaaaaaally doubt that Sonic Next won't make an appearance on the Rev...
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 09, 2005, 07:22:22 PM
I lol because it will still suck.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: wandering on September 09, 2005, 11:05:38 PM
First off, this will almost certainly come to revolution.

Second off, It makes sense to keep rev games a secret - the less we know, the bigger the impact of the eventual rev unveiling.

Third off, I WANT to doubt this game....but just look at it. So beautiful....

   
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Famicom on September 10, 2005, 04:32:50 AM
Hopefully this one won't disappoint.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: stevey on September 10, 2005, 06:28:08 AM
"We are proud to re-create our famous friend, Sonic, for a new generation of gamers on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360," said Naka. "With Sonic the Hedgehog, we have gone back to our starting point, more than 15 years ago, to reinvent the attitude and speed that made our hero a legend. The 'rebirth of Sonic' will offer an unparalleled sense of speed that is only possible using the processing power afforded by the new systems."

I dream the same thing (but replaced ps3 & 360 with revolution) a week ago O_O freeky.

I hope this mean they gone back to the root so there be no voice over, cawful music, bad line, horrible controls,unneedly long talking, a terrible camera, bad voices acting, crappy levels, stupid fvm with talking, you cant become super sonic til the end, unskipable fmv and voices line, every thing in sonic hero, and dont forget get the fruity line sonic say; so than it be the best 3d sonic game ever.  
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: cubist on September 10, 2005, 10:28:00 PM
When I read the story on IGN yesterday, I couldn't help but remember Yuji Naka's quote about how impressed he was with the Revolution.  Perhaps Nintendo's NDAs do have slap "upside" the head if you say too much.  Although the sales figures for GCN for Sonic games has been better this generation than on the other platforms, it makes perfect business sense for Sega to want to go ahead and debut a Sonic game at the beginning of the next generation system's life cycle.  If it does better on the Revolution in the next generation and Sega keeps releasing Sonic on a multiplatform basis, then we can begin to question them.  

If anything, I'd be more worried that Yuji Naka didn't announce Sonic for the Revolution because it is severely underpowered and he wanted some horsepower to keep Blue Blur alive and well for years to come much like Resident Evil 4 did for Shinji Mikami.

Does anyone have a Mikami or Flagship quote for the Revolution?
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2005, 12:54:06 AM
Hopefully this one won't disappoint.

Depends on your expectation. If you expect another Sonic Heroes you won't be disappointed.
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: nickmitch on September 12, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
Who knows? Sega might give us a better version.
Bitch mode diverting optomism shutting down. . .
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KDR_11k on September 12, 2005, 09:43:52 PM
They'll give us another characcter with its own mandatory levels.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2005, 04:03:02 AM
If they are reinventing Sonic they may go back to just Sonic, or perhaps just Sonic and Tails.  Really, that is what I would do.  Sonic and Tails were cool...Knuckles kinda cool.  Almost every other character in the game not cool.

Also, why did Sega have to continue to make the exact same villian over and over again.  They had the cool RoboSonic that fit with whole theme of Sonic, but then ditched him for Shadow...a hyper version of RoboSonic, and not nearly as cool.

I would love theme to go way back to classic universe Sonic.

Like Mega Man.  Mega Man has an amazing and cool universe.  Mega Man X ruins it by making it hype and trying to cut some of the silliness from the series...that silliness made the universe fun.

Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KDR_11k on September 13, 2005, 04:28:39 AM
Tales can go as well, Sonic doesn't need any supporting cast.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 05:01:53 AM
No, Tails is a must...I love having him following behind Sonic...
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2005, 08:53:45 AM
Tails really opened up the gameplay and allowed Sega to do some interesting things.  Tails was one of the first characters in a platformer with a default ability to fly (no special power needed)

I would love a game the really creates a traditional Sonic experience, and then a well rounded experience with Tails that opens up the levels and experience to be unique.

And stop this Tails is an inventor stuff.  That was stupid.  Tails should be tails...a slower version of Sonic that can fly.

Go back to the basic theme of Technology verse nature, and drop all voice acting and unneccessary characters.

Sonic is a timeless character.
Tails is an even better character (design wise)
Knuckles-Not so Much.
Shadow-Real stupid.
Robo-Sonic very cool, and fits that theme.  He looked scary too.

Everything else is fluff in the series and could be gotten rid off.

Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 10:13:31 AM
"And stop this Tails is an inventor stuff. That was stupid."

But Tails has always been an inventor...He made the plane that he flies in Sonic 2!  It's just that there wasn't a real story behind it...
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2005, 10:36:19 AM
Bill:  Ok.  I can deal with that...then just don't put it into the actual gameplay of the game.  I didn't remember the plane in Sonic 2, so I wouldn't remember Tails building it.

It didn't play apart in the game which was the most important thing.

Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Toruresu on September 13, 2005, 11:49:27 AM
"Sonic Goodness"

...

Am I the only gamer who has NEVER liked Sonic? I even bought the Mega Collection for the GameCube (I missed the originals since I had a Nes/SNES, and NONE of the games were 'good' in my opinion, just running aroung 'really' fast while avoiding enemies, until you get to the end, or get killed. The only game that I play is "Dr Robotniks Mean Bean Machine" or something, which I think was Puyo Pop (and I LOVE Puyo Pop Fever for my DS ).

*Note: I've never played the 3D Sonic games. But by the comments on the board, I shouldn't even bother.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Spak-Spang on September 13, 2005, 12:01:39 PM
Toruresu:  After the Mario series Sonic was the best platformer during the 16 bit era.  It wasn't even close to being as good as Mario...but it did have intense boss battles, a complete working theme, and pretty good character design.  Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 are probably the purest games from the franchise, though most argue Sonic 3 and Sonic and Knuckles are much better.  

I never got to play Sonic CD, but supposedly they really changed that game into an exploration game, and less about speed.  How much that worked depends on your tastes.

Personally I played Sonic 1 and 2 and found them too easy, but still enjoyable.  In fact the only levels that weren't enjoyable were the underwater levels, because they felt rather cheap in their design.  (I hate dying in games because I couldn't make it from point A to point B fast enough.)

Sonic is also remembered as one of the first video game character to engage the player.  He had "attitude" and didn't want to sit around.  That "attitude" started a trend for idle animation and more expressive animation in general, which really wasn't present that much in the Mario games...though that could be debated.

Overall, Sonic is more popular because of its place in video game history and not that its games were exceptional perfect examples of platforming goodness.

Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Toruresu on September 13, 2005, 12:06:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Overall, Sonic is more popular because of its place in video game history and not that its games were exceptional perfect examples of platforming goodness.


That was exactlly my thought, so I went ahead and bought the collection. I wanted to give Sonic a chance, and now I feel sorry for the Sega fans that never played Mario, and proud of myself for not being 'cool enough for Sonic' back in the Snes days.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 13, 2005, 12:20:29 PM
Sonic, Sonic 2, Sonic 3, and Sonic and Knuckles are the best Sonic games, and they all rawk.  However, playing them on the GC just isn't the same, and that's not just because of the different controller.  It just doesn't feel the same as playing them on a Genesis..  Playing the originals on the Genesis is awesome, playing them on the GC is merely 'good.'

Plus, it's lol when you stack the Genesis, the 32X, Game Genie, Sonic and Knuckles, and Sonic 2 (or 3).  It's a hundred million inches tall.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: stevey on September 13, 2005, 12:23:54 PM
That not why sonic was great for me it was more about the exploration the game level and getting super and hyper sonic witch was done best in sonic3&k run to the end is less the 50% of the fun.  

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Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 12:38:12 PM
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Originally posted by: KnowsNothing
However, playing them on the GC just isn't the same, and that's not just because of the different controller.  It just doesn't feel the same as playing them on a Genesis..  Playing the originals on the Genesis is awesome, playing them on the GC is merely 'good.'

To me, playing on the GC is much more comfortable because the GC "SNES" pad is better than the Genesis pad...
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: couchmonkey on September 13, 2005, 12:54:52 PM
I don't really have a problem with the 3D Sonics.  I've only played Sonic Adventure 2  Awesome Battle Party or whatever they called it, but it was pretty fun.  I liked the focus on action rather than collecting and exploration during the Sonic missions.  Not as good as Super Mario Sunshine, no doubt, but above average.

I'd like to play Sonic Mega Collection, but I've never gotten around to it.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 13, 2005, 12:58:26 PM
Yeah, well, that wouldn't be a bad thing at all if the entire game was Sonic stages, if you know what I mean...
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 13, 2005, 01:04:47 PM
I enjoyed maybe one or two Tails missions, I wouldn't mind a couple of them thrown in, but a game of mostly Sonic/Shadow levels would have been pretty good (with some more level variety, of course).  As long as they get rid of treasure hunting, it wouldn't be too bad....

..unless they give Sonic a gun.....
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Djunknown on September 13, 2005, 05:37:43 PM
Shhh! Sega might be listening...

I'm still holding my breath for a Rev version but I digress. Hopefully Sega 'gets it' gaming-wise. I don't expect them to smarten up on the business sense of things right away, but I hope they can put Sonic back on the map (3-d that is). Sonic Team can't ride their legacy forever...
 
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Nephilim on September 19, 2005, 10:37:55 PM
It looks very pretty
visually looks like what it would like playing it on one of the top video cards range from earlier this year.
But its sooooooo slow and the whole knock someone into a wall, even if the angle doesnt match right, seems more of a gimmick and the auto lockon land when he jumps on the rope...wth?
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Djunknown on September 20, 2005, 05:14:28 PM
The stuff I saw at TGS seems to be the some old Sonic, but with dramatically better graphics. That's not really a bad thing, I just hope that A)It will have Sonic in mind, game design and all without all these diversons/treasure hunts B) A Rev port is in the works that somehow will make controlling Sonic in 3d so easy, the people will be saying "Why wasn't this controller out earlier?"
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 20, 2005, 07:38:24 PM
deadlyD -> mario sunshine had auto lock on the bouncing ropes... unless that was the point you were trying to make
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: Nephilim on September 21, 2005, 07:57:59 AM
yes but not to that degree, he was gonna jump parst it but it auto stopped
the mario lockon is too stop glitchyness (found in mario 64)
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 03, 2005, 06:13:51 PM
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/220041.asp

http://planetgamecube.com/media.cfm?action=art&id=2378&seq=1

LOLz It's Mature Mario all over again!
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: KDR_11k on October 03, 2005, 11:39:54 PM
Weeeeeeeeeeellll.... Sonic was designed to be "teh mature!" of his time so technically, adding guns, blood and sex to Sonic would have been in the spirit of the idea.
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 04, 2005, 05:19:21 AM
...it's my full belief that this game is coming to Rev...and I honestly don't see the difference between these and some fake pre-rendered Killzone demo...so as long as the Rev can do this, I don't see a problem with the graphical power of the system.
Title: RE:More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: cubist on May 12, 2006, 11:50:26 AM
Funniest moment at E3 2006.  I'm looking at the Sega booth at a title that looks to be a sweet RPG with really awesome CG visuals that would rival Square Enix.  All of a sudden, Dr. Eggman comes out of nowhere to talk trash to this princess...ruined the whole "awww" effect that my cousin and I had.
Title: RE: More Sonic Goodness but....
Post by: nickmitch on May 12, 2006, 07:49:42 PM
Upon viewing this massive super bump, I come to the question, was I right?