Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2005, 10:46:35 AM
Translated from Japanese to French to English, heh heh...Anyways, as long as there is no big translation mistakes, here are the tidbits...
- "I hope that [gamers] are well, that they have fun with our games. It will be the case I think with our new creations. We sought new things, new directions. Simpler, more direct."
- "I did not say that [the Gamecube controller] was too complex, I think just that one can still improve it. And also ways of playing and the controller."
- "The new Mario game will surprise much people. Trust us. I think that it will open with a new way of having fun. There will be a new character at his side."
- "[Mario 128] will not be the only surprise of the next year. We thought the Revolution compared to this new type of game. It is there for much in the design, like Mario 64 in its time. But we can't direct our new console only towards him! We work on expensive under development, very impressive products and pushing the interactivity very far. Games of a new era."
Also, even though people (read: morons) think that Twilight Princess will be delayed to Revolution, it's NOT...
Post by: Renny on September 03, 2005, 11:11:56 AM
Post by: mantidor on September 03, 2005, 11:36:42 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 03, 2005, 11:48:46 AM
Post by: odifiend on September 03, 2005, 12:09:23 PM
Miyamoto states that he is wrapped up in Zelda:TP even more than in WW - which just can't be a bad thing
. He said it was delayed to one make it the best it can be and because the developers wanted to add some last minute ideas. The DJ interjects that maybe that idea is hold off for the revolution, but Miyamoto just states it was announced for Gamecube.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 03, 2005, 01:26:10 PM
That said, I'll just go ahead and warn everyone that this apparently hasn't been confirmed yet, though I don't really see the point considering there's no real new info...
Post by: pudu on September 03, 2005, 01:58:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
We work on expensive under development, very impressive products and pushing the interactivity very far. Games of a new era."
This is exactly the the kind of stuff I want to year. If Mario 128, like Mario 64, can set a new bar for interactive gameing this is exactly what Nintendo needs to drive home their vision of the next gen. The best part is, unlike with the Mario 64 era, the way the game is controlled may very well be unique among all the consoles. Let's just hope that 3rd parties utilize whatever the controller has to offer in new (and hopefully better) ways and doesn't copy Nintendo's ideas.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 03, 2005, 03:11:48 PM
That's exactly what I stated in my "Nintendo and it's philosophies" thread. For some reason, I got negative respones from almost everyone on this forum.
I said you can't have simplicity and functionality in the controller. A one button controller, though simple, provides barely any functionality. I know this; Miyamoto knows this. Instead of trying to simplify the controller, he aims to simplify how you control the game.
It's an excellent point that I geuss I couldn't make.
Post by: stevey on September 03, 2005, 03:17:43 PM
- "[Mario 128] will not be the only surprise of the next year. We thought the Revolution compared to this new type of game. It is there for much in the design, like Mario 64 in its time. But we can't direct our new console only towards him! We work on expensive under development, very impressive products and pushing the interactivity very far. Games of a new era."
woot woot finally the fanboy dream of the last 5 years about 128 will come true
Iwataton!Also from the interview: "This will no doubt be the last Zelda game as we know it today" This most likely means that the Zelda series will be evolving come the Revolution, but that's not too surprising, is it?
what...*hype dieing, frear taking over, peeing...again* evolving like loz-lttp-oot-tp for the better or loz2-mm-mc for the wrost?
Post by: mantidor on September 03, 2005, 03:21:06 PM
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Post by: IceCold on September 03, 2005, 07:03:19 PM
QuoteInteresting....
There will be a new character at his side
Can't wait for Mario 128, or at least some more details.
And DontHate - Iwata has said numerous times that he wants a controller that looks simple and not intimidating. This interview doesn't dispel that at all. SM wants the controls in the game more simple, but that doesn't mean that the controller shouldn't be simple. You can still have functionality and simplicity. Of course, this doesn't mean a one button controller or anything like that, but he said that it the GCN controller could be improved, and they want to make it look more simple. It will still be functional though, of course.
Post by: Caillan on September 03, 2005, 07:51:20 PM
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There will be a new character at his side
In the translation I saw, there was a note explaining that it was a difficult section to translate. It also said not to take it too literally.
I was surprised when he mentioned SMS as an example of simplicity. I wasn't so hot on the radical simplification of the controller they seemed to have impied, but if that's what they mean, then it's fine by me.
Post by: odifiend on September 03, 2005, 08:04:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Mario
I refuse to believe he can think Super Mario Sunshine's controls were easy, have you even seen a nongamer trying to play it? It's IMPOSSIBLE for them to jump around, move the c-stick and aim fludd at the same time, SMS is one of the most complex games i've ever played.
Hmm... glad there is no exaggeration going on in this post. I find it pretty interesting that you try and get a non gamer to play a one player game where the time between deaths or even trys is about 15 minutes to 2 or 3 hours, but whatever. Though I got into SMS pretty easy b/c I'm a gamer, I am positive like every Mario game ever made, SMS had a solid learning curve in place.
I just have to say am completely baffled by this "Save the Non-gamer" mentality. I have known plenty of non gamers and most can be categorized like this:
1) Non gamers who perceive themselves as an adult/girl and therefore should not be playing video games and refuse to even try
2) Non gamers who play and become (casual) gamers
I don't seem to come into contact with non gamers who just can't overcome the controller.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 03, 2005, 10:03:46 PM
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Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on September 04, 2005, 04:52:33 AM
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what...*hype dieing, frear taking over, peeing...again* evolving like loz-lttp-oot-tp for the better or loz2-mm-mc for the wrost?
...so, basically, if the game is a retread of the first game and story it's good, but if it deviates from the format, it's bad? Innovation indeed.
Post by: mantidor on September 04, 2005, 06:09:38 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on September 04, 2005, 06:39:59 AM
All this talk about the Revolution though isn't anything that hasn't been done before. This is how Nintendo is every generation so we should all be used to it. This also tells your which people are new to the game "wars" by how outrageous their comments can get.
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 04, 2005, 07:24:57 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on September 04, 2005, 08:50:45 AM
Another, MAJOR annoyance with SMS was that there were very few "checkpoints". Feels like SMB3 all over again (my least favourite 2d Mario). Make your way through a long level, die shortly before the end and restart from the beginning (at least SMB3 had very short levels so it was less of an issue). What is this, 1985? Even SMB1 had midlevel checkpoints. It's especially annoying with the "secrets" as dying is pretty easy in those.
The lives in that game were rather useless, most of the levels had no checkpoints at all so when you went Game Over that didn't mean jack. It only meant something with the secrets and there only that you didn't have to play the "exposition" again, you'd have to restart at the beginning of the secret, anyway.
They should group sets of levels (2-3) together and give them midlevel checkpoints. Let the player only choose the group, he has to finish it with one set of lives. Run out, restart the group.
M64 had too many moves, especially lots of redundant ones (sideflip, backflip, longjump, slide, ... Who needs that many? There was a time when the jump and the dash jump were enough). SMS administered the necessary cleanup, SMW style there.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2005, 09:16:46 AM
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"Another, MAJOR annoyance with SMS was that there were very few "checkpoints". Feels like SMB3 all over again (my least favourite 2d Mario). Make your way through a long level, die shortly before the end and restart from the beginning (at least SMB3 had very short levels so it was less of an issue). What is this, 1985? Even SMB1 had midlevel checkpoints. It's especially annoying with the "secrets" as dying is pretty easy in those."
And? If there had been checkpoints there'd be complaining that it was too easy...The secret stages were hardly long enough to require checkpoints...
Post by: odifiend on September 04, 2005, 09:27:03 AM
This stuff is really neither here nor there with the possible exception of the camera. Super Mario Sunshine should be incredible hard to control, because you have tons of moves you have to pull off: running, (wall) jumping, then you have fludd which takes advantage of the digital click, and yoshi too. The point is it was not. KDR, you seemed to have issue with the difficulty and its accompanying frustrations more than maintaining control of mario. You never had to fight with mario (camera, maybe) to get him to do something quickly and responsively. That is the functionality Miaymoto wishes to achieve without us having to buy an f*ing 100 dollar controller a la Steel Batalion.
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Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 04, 2005, 12:39:51 PM
Check it out, it makes much more sense and is actually quite mysterious.
"Please allow me to interrupt you by saying that you will have to be patient, really. This will be, without a doubt, the last Zelda game as you know it in its present form." -- Shigsy
Post by: mantidor on September 04, 2005, 01:31:23 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 04, 2005, 01:40:35 PM
Post by: Caliban on September 04, 2005, 02:26:36 PM
Oh, I almost forgot, he also said that that's why they are making this the best Zelda game ever, I hope he really isn't going to stop making epic Zelda games, I hope not seriously.
And, he also mentioned in that interview that revolution info would be out soon, TGS perhaps? Indeed I wish for it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2005, 02:32:16 PM
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Post by: Bill Aurion on September 04, 2005, 03:24:24 PM
(Though he MAY be helping a tiny bit on Smash Brothers Revolution)
Post by: zakkiel on September 04, 2005, 07:22:58 PM
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Post by: King of Twitch on September 04, 2005, 08:20:29 PM
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Post by: wandering on September 05, 2005, 01:12:20 AM
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zakkiel said:
I would be perfectly happy with an infinite succession of OoT-style games with different dungeons, enemies, and themes, tweaking combat around here and there.
I wouldn't. We've had 2 generations where Zelda games have essentially been different variations on the same thing. It's time for a lttp to oot level change. Change is good.
Personally, I really want to see some of Miyamoto's original ideas for OOT (like having a world where the states of everything in the game are remembered at not automatically reset) realized.
Post by: BigJim on September 05, 2005, 02:03:20 AM
I'd like to see at least one Zelda spinoff that focuses on the dark side of Hyrule... Maybe telling how the Triforce began, the rise of Gannon, etc. No Link this time. That'd be some deep stuff.
Post by: stevey on September 05, 2005, 04:39:48 AM
oh thank you god reggie, that sound like they changing it in the form as in all new (never before used) item and for old (used) item all new ways of using them and bringing back the loz ways of skiping dungeon it the form of you needing to find them and new level desing so there be more than one way of beating dungeons but still having the same good old feel of zelda but with new exprinces before it sound lie they trun it in to a fps.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2005, 04:54:50 AM
Bill: They had multiple challenges and I hate having to redo three easy but time consuming things each time I retry some challenge near the end of the stage. If you think it's too easy because you don't have to redo something you can almost do with your hands tied behind your back you're strange.
odifiend: The only problems I had with moving Mario was when I couldn't judge object positions in space. 3d platforming without a mouse or something comparable as camera control is awful.
Post by: MarioAllStar on September 05, 2005, 08:25:20 AM
Though I must admit that I, too, would buy a million more cliched sequels.
Stevey: How does changing the series from the "present form" immediately sound like new/reinvented items (which Twilight Princess is supposed to have), skipping dungeons, multiple ways of beating a dungeon, and turning Zelda into a FPS? All I got from the comment is that Miyamoto wanted to change the direction of Zelda games in some way...
Post by: nemo_83 on September 05, 2005, 10:04:52 AM
j/k; it does make me worried though that once again they will try to put a new character next to Mario (FLUD can burn in hell) that is not Luigi. If that character though were a certain Sega franchise; things might work out
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 05, 2005, 10:16:47 AM
This seems to be more a sequel to OoT than WW, so it will probably be just as overhyped and attract a similarily rabid following. I'm glad Miyamoto is evolving the series after this.
Has anybody even confirmed that the interview took place yet?
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 05, 2005, 11:34:58 AM
Add some psycadelics to the game that change the experience of the game randomly, and you have a classic.
Post by: pudu on September 05, 2005, 12:50:31 PM
And for Mario on the Rev what I would like would be a mario game split into levels the old school way. These would be shorter levels, preferably like the sections in SMS where you didn't have your pack. Those were by far the best part of that game for me. Release a mario game with an overworld similar to that of Mario 64 but pumped up a ton and include straight platforming fun like the good old days and I'd be in heaven.
Post by: mantidor on September 05, 2005, 08:42:49 PM
So I cant believe the Intarweb doesnt have a full transcript of the interview, has anyone found it?
Post by: MarioAllStar on September 05, 2005, 09:19:02 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 05, 2005, 09:23:32 PM
Story is secondary, yes. Minish Cap is a good game despite the storyline.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 06, 2005, 08:04:37 AM
Makes sense. Got to make way for the lever pulling game, right?
I don't have a problem with this provided that the basic elements that make Zelda my favourite series are still present. As long as it's still an adventure game. If they turn Zelda into an MMO or something then I'll be pissed. If it's like what Metroid Prime is to the classic 2D Metroids then it should be fine. The feel just has to remain. Though a lot of this relies on what the controller is. If I can't stand the controller then my enthusiasm regarding an evolved Zelda isn't going to be so hot.Mario with a new character is fine provided they do it right. Yoshi was a cool character and he was an optional powerup. FLUDD was a sh!tty character and you were stuck with him for almost the entire game. That makes a big difference. If we get the Sonic routine where we're forced to play with characters we don't like through boring levels that have none of the elements that made us like the series in the first place then that would suck. But done right a new character could be as successful as Yoshi or Diddy Kong. It has to look like a natural addition, like we can't remember how Mario could do without it before and not like a "Poochie" where they add a superflous character to spark interest.
Post by: Gamebasher on September 06, 2005, 08:20:22 AM
Something which entails standing in your living room, with a holographic projector showing the game in true surround picture, making it stand out so real that you will be seeing Peach´s castle virtually in front of you for real, and tricking you into feeling like you are actually doing the Mario moves yourself, including the triple jump and long jump (which will rake up a huge repair bill for the house as you crash land into it, and breaking it, and several other things in the house, before getting it right) - but what the heck: it´s a tough job to be a Nintendo gamer and follow their latest innovation craze - but somebody´s gotta do it!
Holographic projector? Whatever happened to good old HD TV´s?
KDR_11k: There will not be a reversal to 2d for Mario, except perhaps in some portions of the Rev game, if at all -still not full 2D! Because: it doesn´t have enough mass market appeal! With Nintendo´s All Access Gaming approach, they will surely follow what most of the people out there wants, and that is something which is 1)brand newand never before seen (the latter in Miyamoto´s own words! Plus: 2D has been seen to abundance already) and 2) which is easy to get to grips with. That is what most people go for where I live (Europe), and I don´t think it could be so different where you live (US?). I understand the 2D interest, but I think it is not a broad mainstream wish anylonger. Sorry, if I insulted you on that, but I just don´t see the Rev Mario game in 2D. Nintendo may want to be innovative, but they also want to get new gamers into the fold, while not alienating their existing userbase which I don´t see them doing by making Rev Mario a 3D experience with revolutionary new type of control!
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2005, 09:53:10 AM
Is that a subtle form of sarcasm?
There will not be a reversal to 2d for Mario, except perhaps in some portions of the Rev game, if at all -still not full 2D! Because: it doesn´t have enough mass market appeal!
I believe 2d will be much more successful than 3d with the nongamers. 3d means you have to juggle that freaking camera and know how to do ten different kinds of jump. Nongamers don't want that. New doesn't have to be, either. Brands appeal to nongamers just as much as they do to regular or casual gamers. And everyone knows Super Mario or Pac Man, even the nongamers. For the UK, add Sonic to the list.
So it's casuals vs. nongamers. Casuals love graphics and hype, they'll probably go with Sony or Microsoft because of their insecurities about their sexual oriuentation and fear of being rejected from society just because they enjoy a game without an M rating. I think N doesn't try to appeal to those, they've lost 'em, anyway. Nongamers prefer uncomplicated games. 3d means complicated. Sure, a 3d look might work but 3d gameplay will confuse them.
BTW, I'm german. No US for me.
Post by: Strell on September 06, 2005, 10:03:23 AM
Post by: odifiend on September 06, 2005, 11:03:15 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Mario should go back to 2d (all versions, not just the DS one). Platforming doesn't benefit from 3d, it merely loses accuracy.
Story is secondary, yes. Minish Cap is a good game despite the storyline.
I disagree, though the platforming genre gets a lot of flack since it was the most mass produced during the initial shift from 2d to 3d, if done right, like I think both Mario games did, it is very enjoyable, if not more fun. Sure it might lose some accuracy, but the alternative is the loss of great depth.
As for attracting non gamers, why does it have to be Mario? These people don't game - they weren't attracted to Mario in 64, sunshine, strikers, baseball, tennis, golf, or party 57.5. There is no reason to shoehorn Mario into yet another role - create a new franchise that caters more to the nongamer since it really doesn't matter.
Post by: MrMojoRising on September 06, 2005, 02:37:13 PM
I really want a 3-D mario game that has the same feel as the 2-D games. I like the 3-D marios just as much but I feel that they have a completely different feel to them. In Super Mario World one could see something that looked suspicious and furthur investigate to find out that it was a secret of some sort. In Sunshine and 64 I feel like there were less secrets; and that a lot of the secrets that were there were incredibly obvious. Mario in 3-D just seems less weird and detailed than his 2-D games.
Post by: mantidor on September 06, 2005, 06:49:03 PM
) they should put more of that 2D "vibe" in the 3D games.Post by: stevey on September 07, 2005, 04:00:20 AM
Why do you hate FLUDD?
Post by: KDR_11k on September 07, 2005, 05:29:52 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 07, 2005, 05:42:10 AM
and i believe miyamoto was trying to say that we'll be going along with mario on this adventure i.e. "one will feel as if he is jumping around with mario"
Post by: Switchblade Cross on September 07, 2005, 08:26:19 AM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
im all about psychadelics in mario; DontHate outlined a game like that some time ago and trust us that game would be wilder than Eternal Darkness... just imagine mario eats a poison shroom then before he knows it the ledge he is trying to jump to increases by 30 feet, the clouds and sky reverse colors and we watch the sky move sideways, enemies become looming monsters that are nearly impossible to defeat (for goombas),,, while some other enemies may be easier to beat.... and the whole while we hear charles martinet laughing his arse off.
and i believe miyamoto was trying to say that we'll be going along with mario on this adventure i.e. "one will feel as if he is jumping around with mario"
Isn't that just the Little/Big levels? lol. Actually, that would be a cool transition effect between little and big portions of those types of levels...
Post by: Gamebasher on September 07, 2005, 09:08:14 AM
Is that a subtle form of sarcasm?"
No, KDR_11k, it is not sarcasm! It is future matter of fact!!. At least according to local Cinema staff I spoke to, and who told me that in the future the picture will go into surround, just like sound already did! They said that movies will start coming out in that format from 2007 and forward.
I read somewhere that a secret discussion forum was held between several famous movie directors such as Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson and George Lucas and others who were to debate the reality of surround picture in movies! And that Nintendo was coming out with a new console which could do the same thing! While I forgot where I saw it precisely, I found another link which you can see for yourself (only 3d movies, not games but 3D projected games will surely follow after the 3D projected films I trust, which is probably why the newsstory I read, said just that):
read about it here
"There will not be a reversal to 2d for Mario, except perhaps in some portions of the Rev game, if at all -still not full 2D! Because: it doesn´t have enough mass market appeal!
I believe 2d will be much more successful than 3d with the nongamers. 3d means you have to juggle that freaking camera and know how to do ten different kinds of jump. Nongamers don't want that. New doesn't have to be, either. Brands appeal to nongamers just as much as they do to regular or casual gamers. And everyone knows Super Mario or Pac Man, even the nongamers. For the UK, add Sonic to the list.
So it's casuals vs. nongamers. Casuals love graphics and hype, they'll probably go with Sony or Microsoft because of their insecurities about their sexual oriuentation and fear of being rejected from society just because they enjoy a game without an M rating. I think N doesn't try to appeal to those, they've lost 'em, anyway. Nongamers prefer uncomplicated games. 3d means complicated. Sure, a 3d look might work but 3d gameplay will confuse them."
I think there will be plenty of innovate types of gameplay in the new Mario game, and that Miyamoto has worked really hard at reinventing Mario for our playing pleasure. But I don´t believe he will drop 3D worlds in favour of 2D.
Post by: Kairon on September 07, 2005, 10:35:18 AM
In my opinion, the last true-"Miyamoto" Zelda was OoT. The question now is whether we will see a continuance of Aonouma-style tweakings of the traditional Zelda formula, or a total reformulation of what Zelda gameplay is supposed to mean.
As someone who grew up drawing dungeons of skull rock in the first Zelda for his Mom, I would be perfectly fine with the end of Zelda, as we know it. Perhaps there really isn't much left that Nintendo can do with the Zelda formula.
*shrug* But that's just my opinion.
~Carmine M. Red
Post by: Don'tHate742 on September 07, 2005, 11:56:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
im all about psychadelics in mario; DontHate outlined a game like that some time ago and trust us that game would be wilder than Eternal Darkness... just imagine mario eats a poison shroom then before he knows it the ledge he is trying to jump to increases by 30 feet, the clouds and sky reverse colors and we watch the sky move sideways, enemies become looming monsters that are nearly impossible to defeat (for goombas),,, while some other enemies may be easier to beat.... and the whole while we hear charles martinet laughing his arse off.
and i believe miyamoto was trying to say that we'll be going along with mario on this adventure i.e. "one will feel as if he is jumping around with mario"
Ya, I remember that. I think we came to the conclusion that this "mechanic" would be better of in a new game non-mario related.
But ya , I whole-heartedly agree that a psychadelic game would be wilder than Eternal Darkness. Just thinking about the sheer potential makes my mouth water. Imagine a game setup like mario is, where the whole purpose of the game is to make to the end of each level. During the course of the level, there would be this item cicles through out. Simply just jump into the item circle and you'll be given a random item. Some may just help you with actual items, while others can be more severe and change your enviroment and even your appereance. Then there are the ones in between that could simply slow or speed something up, change the tone of the game (from happy to scary) or simply change the item you had before you jumped in the circle.
An example of your enviroment changing could be your screen flips up side down, or what was once water is now land. Basically anything you can think of. Enemies can of course change as well, from as small as just adding the ability for them to talk or becoming huge behemoths ala TMNT: Secret of the Ooze.
Basically, this has the potential to be really funny and heart-warming, to really scary. A blend of many emotions and tones is definitely a plus to any game.
What were we talking about again?
Post by: couchmonkey on September 07, 2005, 01:08:45 PM
Super Mario Sunshine - was fairly easy to play, but it had a rather steep learning curve.
FLUDD - is lame as a character, but was meant more as an item. If Nintendo had gotten better voice acting or simply cut FLUDD's spoken words right out, things would have been a lot better, IMO.
Zelda - won't change that much. Even if it does, Nintendo will make traditional Zelda games again, no company can resist that kind of cash cow.
Mario 128 - sounds great. I'm really happy that Nintendo is taking innovation seriously, I hope it lives up to my expectations.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 07, 2005, 02:40:43 PM
one powerup could make enemies run on their hands and attack kinda awkwardly... and .. um.. other cool stuff.
id also like to see some clever wash-out effects with colors... as in tracers or maybe the colors on your character's clothes start to run and melt off of his clothes, leaving him in grayscale (to make it mean something, have that affect his power).
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Post by: mantidor on September 07, 2005, 07:50:53 PM
the part at the end when they make you think hes broken its so sad Post by: couchmonkey on September 08, 2005, 05:45:56 AM
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Post by: Hostile Creation on September 13, 2005, 01:25:07 PM
The plot did irk me for a while. Then I was like oh wait it's fun and kept playing.
