Post by: Obiyo on August 02, 2005, 07:26:35 PM
Would that give MS too much of a head start? Or would it work like the article says and kill the hype on the x360 just to come in later with the ps3 (similar to the launch of dreamcast).
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on August 02, 2005, 07:40:30 PM
Unfortunately, it's still just analyst talk - I wish there were more cement facts.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 02, 2005, 07:42:13 PM
does that make sense?
Post by: Obiyo on August 02, 2005, 08:03:04 PM
That does sound like something sony would do... "Toy Story" graphics anyone? They hyped the cell processor so much and look what happened, they're using a separate graphics chip, as well as that the ps3 is going to be difficult to develop for because of it.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 02, 2005, 08:34:03 PM
This would really help Nintendo who realistically are not going to be able to beat Sony to the market if the PS3 launches in the first half of 2006. Aside from the benefit of launching before Sony like they wanted Nintendo would also be able to get away with having inferior hardware like what's been rumoured. Launching later with weaker hardware is pretty lame but before is acceptable. All Nintendo has to really do is make sure the Rev is "more powerful" than the X360. It won't matter if the PS3 is more powerful if it launches last. That's normal. Latter hardware is expected to be "better".
I'm really hoping Sony does wait until 2007. Aside from the boost it would give Nintendo it also would hurt MS quite a bit as their hardware would appear to be WAY behind the PS3 in a few years.
Post by: stevey on August 03, 2005, 04:42:42 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 03, 2005, 06:36:07 AM
Post by: Arbok on August 03, 2005, 07:50:27 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 03, 2005, 08:21:59 AM
Now, about the PS3 delay. It actually makes alot of sense. Sony has ALOT to do to prepare the market for the PS3, and launching now you would have an expensive system, that doesn't have the proper infrastructure to support the system.
However, If Sony delayed til late 2006 or even 2007 it changes the market completely. Sony can start putting Blue-Ray DVDs out and start building a market for the player, and start using resources to launch movies. This would create a desire and hype for Blue-Ray Video that just isn't present at all. That would create more buzz for the PS3 when it is launched.
If Sony launches early the buzz for Blue-Ray Video will be non-existant because there would be few titles available. It would basically be like the PSP video. Nobody really cares yet, and its hurting Sony's sales.
This is very good for Nintendo as it gives them breathing room to launch their system early, or just polish up games. And obviously it is an amazing break for Microsoft because they would have an unbeatable head start.
EDITTED.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2005, 08:22:17 AM
Nin - GC 2001 - Rev 2006 - N6 2011
Sony - PS2 2000 - PS3 - 2007 - PS4 2012/2014
this is gonna really throw off the Launch wars with people having the option to upgrade a system almost every year to every other year(if the releases were to continue as the are now)
Post by: vudu on August 03, 2005, 08:55:20 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on August 03, 2005, 09:34:27 AM
Nintendo cannot wait until 2007. 2006 is bad enough since there's so few Cube games left in the pipeline. I think there's going to be a period of nothing from Nintendo on the console front prior to the Rev's release. It happened with the N64 and I think the resulting six months of Nintendo being completely out or sight and mind hurt the Cube. It's looks like it's going to happen with the Cube as well. So if they wait until 2007 we could see perhaps even an entire year of Nintendo having no presence in the console market at all. That would completely screw the Rev.
If the PS3 is delayed it is a major opportunity for Nintendo and they should take advantage of it. The Rev MUST launch in 2006 and personally I think no later than September would be ideal.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 03, 2005, 11:00:05 AM
Sorry about that. Let me try to edit it in the post as well.
Post by: stevey on August 03, 2005, 04:02:31 PM
Nin - GC 2001 - Rev 2006 - N6 2011
Sony - PS2 2000 - PS3 - 2007 - PS4 2012/2014
this is gonna really throw off the Launch wars with people having the option to upgrade a system almost every year to every other year(if the releases were to continue as the are now) "
No no there wount be a x1080 or x720 because ms is going to F the 360 because no that not hard core knows of it. Ask/tell any one that non gamer at a non gamer store about the 360 and there dont know and think you lieing because there been no 360 ad outside of the evil g4 and gaming mag and store lie about that stuff like crazy. Hell back in 02 they said the ps3 coming out in 03 and in 03 the people said the x2&ps3 come out in 04 and in 04 they said 05 hell eb had people preorder the 360 when the 360 part was a roumer. So that Why ther going to die and go to hell with the 3do
and be laugh
at by the dreamcast 
. [/rant]
Post by: mantidor on August 03, 2005, 04:56:47 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 03, 2005, 05:46:13 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 03, 2005, 06:33:17 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 03, 2005, 06:33:18 PM
Oh well.
Post by: nickmitch on August 03, 2005, 06:42:28 PM
Post by: Rhoq on August 04, 2005, 09:09:24 AM
"The processor in Sony's PlayStation 3 gaming console will support Apple's Mac OS X Tiger operating system according to a recent posting to Sony's UK website."
Read the full article HERE
Post by: IceCold on August 04, 2005, 09:24:20 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 04, 2005, 01:07:44 PM
I still would rather have affordability though.
I really hope this rumor is true. If Sony gets pushed back to late 2006 or 2007 Nintendo could push ahead and release in the Summer. Even if it is a weak launch with just a few games, an early launch ahead of Sony gives Nintendo that much better of a start than launching at the same time.
A simple launch with 3 Nintendo games could be awesome:
Super Mario Revolution
Super Smash Brothers Revolution
Metroid Prime 3
If Nintendo was able to get 1 or 2 GOOD 3rd party games ready for launch, and perhaps even have that original IP game ready we would be looking at a pretty decent launch line up.
Post by: IceCold on August 04, 2005, 09:32:20 PM
QuoteIt may well be "cool" but it just isn't right... The direction that Sony and MS are taking their systems is just too far away from gaming. First the whole "complete home entertainment package" thing, now this. It takes the focus away from games too much; a trend that Nintendo is trying to avoid. Not only does it tax the hardware and create a need for a more powerful console, when the power isn't being used for games, but it also strays away too much from what it should be focusing on.
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Actually the idea the the PS3 may have Linux or an Apple operating system is a very cool idea
Look no further than the PSP; there are more movies on the shelves than games, and there has been, what, 2 games released in 3 months? And then the software ratios fall, and the system gets used more for other things than gaming. I don't like this at all, because isn't a game console supposed to, you know, play games??
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 05, 2005, 01:00:55 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 05, 2005, 05:05:29 AM
But remember all the companies are trying to branch out and atract more attention. Nintendo is doing it by trying to enhance gaming and create something new, and potentially easier to interact with. Nintendo is also trying to create nongamer games to bring in a different market.
So we are upset and complaining that MS and Sony are doing the same, just in a different way. In my post I mentioned as long as it doesn't distract from the game development and industry. Which is the REAL problem with the PSP. Because it uses its own medium resources are somewhat limited. Do I release the PSP movie, or the PSP game? They will make the same money but one is much cheaper to produce.
Now, with blue-ray you may have that problem with the movies and games competing...but you most likely won't have any competition with computer applications and such being on the system.
You can also provide two OSes on the system. One that loads when a game is present that uses minimal resources and then the Apple or Linux OS for CPU applications.
Post by: couchmonkey on August 05, 2005, 11:42:35 AM
I think it's in Nintendo's interest to launch as early in 2006 as possible. Aside from taking more time to develop games, I see no advantage to letting Microsoft continue to build its lead.
I agree with Ian when he says that Sony can afford to delay more than the other two, but I think Xbox 360 could really take off on Sony if they wait too long to launch the PS3. People who only buy one console per generation aren't going to start buying one every two years, in my opinion. If Sony really did delay well into 2007, I think it would spend at least two years playing catch-up with Xbox 360.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2005, 08:27:55 AM
Even EA is already introducing a second dev path for next gen, don't expect many PS2->X360 ports, many will develop for either one or the other and now there will be a compelling reason to develop for Microsoft's machine.
Spak-Spang: An OS would require a way of accepting unsigned binaries (how else would the PS3 work as a full computer which has to support development?) so the PS3 might see a lot of unlicensed games, perhaps to the point where everyone circumvents the "official" PS3 solution and aims it at the "PS3PC". That would be a desaster for Sony since they'd get no license fees on that software and would have to make their profits on hardware alone (sold at loss or profit doesn't matter, consoles aren't sold at enough profit to keep a company afloat).
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 08, 2005, 07:02:03 AM
Post by: jasonditz on August 08, 2005, 08:17:10 PM
Post by: jasonditz on August 08, 2005, 08:18:45 PM
Post by: stevey on August 09, 2005, 05:29:26 AM
but than that mean nintendo will go 1st and sony can steel they controller if it turn out great.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2005, 09:09:10 AM
Post by: vudu on August 09, 2005, 11:22:52 AM
QuoteYou mean Nintendo rushes launch to beat out Sony and then has a draught of games for the next six months? No thanks.
mirror the DS/PSP launch
I'd rather Nintendo completely forget about what Sony (and Microsoft) is doing and launch when they're ready. A strong launch is much better than an early one.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 09, 2005, 11:28:09 AM
Post by: stevey on August 09, 2005, 02:00:08 PM
draught, no sony not even making new game for the psp there been only 3 game after the release and only 3 game coming out, nintendo alway had 120+ coming, what sony has is more like...what the word?...what the ngage has.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 09, 2005, 03:06:56 PM
I don't have a list handy right now, bu tI'll look for it later.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 09, 2005, 04:28:05 PM
At this point in the game, IF Sony is delaying until Fall 2006 or 2007 then Nintendo's goal should be to launch before Sony.
If Nintendo is lucky they can get there system out just before the Xbox 360 starts to get a large enough library of games. Then Nintendo will look like a viable option. Cheap system with Nintendo quality games, and a new control type.
Post by: nickmitch on August 09, 2005, 05:13:51 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
"Yeah, an Xmas '06 release for the rev and a Spring '07 for the PS3 would mirror what happened with the DS/PSP... "
but than that mean nintendo will go 1st and sony can steel they controller if it turn out great.
By then Nintendo would have blown the lid on the controller and it'd be far too late for Sony to copy.
As for MS, they have the upper hand. If they can hype up the next gen then people might turn to them.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 09, 2005, 08:55:04 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Actually there are just a few less as many games "planned" for the PSP than there is for the DS.
I don't have a list handy right now, but I'll look for it later.
DS vs PSP: The Release List Wars <-- I think this is as complete a list as your gonna find
p.s. thread is posted in the DS & GBA section
Post by: couchmonkey on August 10, 2005, 05:45:07 AM
Of course now we're too close to the Revolution launch to change the date very much, and Nintendo may not be ready to launch until the end of 2006. If that's so, then I guess Nintnedo should wait, but it should have been ready to launch earlier than that.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2005, 08:17:49 AM
The truth is Microsoft blindsided Nintendo and Sony by releasing their next generation system in '05 and knocking a complete year off the life cycle of all the systems. Really this generation could have easily gone another 2 years without the world blinking or batting an eye, but MS really wanted to be first in the market and get a jump for marketshare.
Now Sony and Nintendo are both trying to figure out what to do. Do you push the product deadlines ahead of schedule risking rushed software and less 3rd party support, or do you hold off as planned and keep your pace and let the chips fall where they may.
I think Sony management tried to push the time table up for launch and realised that they just can't do it. Games aren't ready, production of hardware isn't ready, and in fact hardware design in and of itself isn't finalized. But worse, they were planning on the later launch to help bring the price down SOME, and now they are stuck in a rock and a hard place. I think their delay isn't a delay but a forced resignation back to their original time schedule.
Nintendo is a mystery. We know nothing about the hardware, the software, or the original time table for launch. Except that Nintendo promised it would not be late this time. (That Nintendo would launch close to or at the same time as Sony.) Is Nintendo trying to push the launch ahead of schedule so they are only behind the competition by a few months? Does that mean the competition is now Sony or Microsoft or both? Perhaps that confession means Nintendo is having to delay to get games shaped up and hardware and online infrastructures up and running? Only time will tell on that answer.
But one thing is sure both Nintendo and Sony are both caught in a situation they don't want to be in. Microsoft has brought this current generation of systems to an end.
I don't think that means Microsoft is in the best situation though, because their system doesn't look or feel at all like Next Generation hardware and their controller and everything about the system screams been there done that.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2005, 08:57:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
CouchMonkey: I think Sony management tried to push the time table up for launch and realised that they just can't do it. Games aren't ready, production of hardware isn't ready, and in fact hardware design in and of itself isn't finalized. But worse, they were planning on the later launch to help bring the price down SOME, and now they are stuck in a rock and a hard place. I think their delay isn't a delay but a forced resignation back to their original time schedule.
Haha thats what I said
I worded it to be as confusing as possible yet still make sense
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Something tells me that "Plan B" was the original "Plan A" the entire time, but the original "Plan A" then became "Plan B" after MS decided to release in 2005, a year ahead of the usual 5yr cycle, therefore causing Sony to take "Plan X" aka 'wishful thinking' and make it into the new "Plan A", but now that they realize that the new "Plan A" aka "Plan X" aka 'wishful thinking' really was not gonna work out in thier best interest it is now time to reconsider "Plan B" aka the original "Plan A" and just stick with the original plans afterall.
does that make sense?
This is bad for Nintendo but not as bad as it is for Sony. I've overheard and chimed in on some conversations about next-gen consoles. Lots of people seem to be sold on X360 while the rest seem to claim allegiance to PS3.
If people find out that its posible that PS3 could come out in 2007, I not sure how many of them would wait. Madden 2006 being the jump starter....
Most people didn't even mention the Rev mostly cause none of them even knew about it. But once I explained the little that is known, a few of them would always come back and ask "Does it play all old Nintendo games and does that mean that ther is a HDD too?"
I would explain the flash memory vs. the size of old games, and Nintendo produced titles with the possibility of 3rd parties also including Sega, and all of a sudden Rev became considered a possiblity of 2nd console for that reason alone.
So that makes me see this as 'not good' for Nintendo, but 'really bad' for Sony as most people would probably have jumped the gun by he time the PS3 comes out. Not to mention the major deterrent that is the price...
Post by: KDR_11k on August 10, 2005, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: nickmitch on August 10, 2005, 10:39:31 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 10, 2005, 01:56:26 PM
This really helps Nintendo because they are THE most viable choice for a second system. Cheaper Price, Plays Classic Nintendo Games, New Control System, and Nintendo has one of the largest quality number of exclusive IPs of any company.
I don't think Nintendo will be THE system to own this next generation, but I do believe it CAN achieve a sold second place with becoming the secondary system of choice, and I believe Nintendo will win several new loyal customers with that place that will buy the next system for the classic games.
I don't believe Nintendo's games have become to I LOVE HALO 2 to be popular. I believe people aren't giving them a chance, but if they did they would enjoy the games.
Post by: Ian Sane on August 11, 2005, 07:18:46 PM
That wouldn't happen with the PS3. Or at least it wouldn't end up the same way the PSP did. Remember that with the DS vs PSP Nintendo was the market leader going in. People were more willing to cut the DS some slack because it's Nintendo and they're DA MAN with portables. If Nintendo pulled the same thing with the Rev the console would bomb even if Sony had a drought too. They just don't have that kind of pull in the market. Plus the X360 won't by having a drought at that point. That's the biggest risk for the Rev. Even if the Rev beats the PS3 to the market by several months they can't have a drought because the X360 will have tons of games in stores by then.
"Really this generation could have easily gone another 2 years without the world blinking or batting an eye"
I wouldn't say that. I'd say MS is jumping the gun and I think the Xbox and PS2 could have lasted another two years. But the Cube? No way. We've got at least a year left I imagine until the Rev launches and the Cube is a barren wasteland regarding releases. We've had at least one month this year were literally ZERO Cube games were released. I don't think anyone should be launching a year early but if anyone was Nintendo would have the most reason to. Even if the X360 wasn't being released this year I don't think the Cube would have lasted unitl 2007. Nintendo probably would be able to crank out a fair bit of games during that time but the Nintendo brand would be severely weakened by such a long period of infrequent releases that their next console would be really screwed. MS is jumping the gun but Nintendo is going to the next gen at the right time.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 12, 2005, 02:10:02 AM
Post by: jasonditz on August 12, 2005, 07:22:49 AM
They've been banking on all the dreadful losses they've taken this generation finally "paying off" next round, so you can see where they would want "next round" to start as soon as possible.
Microsoft may have a lot of money, but they're not stupid... if something is proving to be unprofitable in the long run they will pull the plug... this is probably "put up or shut up" time for their console division.
Post by: Arbok on August 12, 2005, 09:14:13 AM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Microsoft may have a lot of money, but they're not stupid... if something is proving to be unprofitable in the long run they will pull the plug... this is probably "put up or shut up" time for their console division.
Didn't Microsoft say that they plan to make profit on the console after the Xbox 360? I seem to recall that being mentioned, seems like a incredibly long time to wait it out but that statement stuck in my head.
Post by: jasonditz on August 12, 2005, 10:35:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 12, 2005, 10:39:39 AM
Post by: stevey on August 12, 2005, 02:30:11 PM
"so them ripoff nintendo is a good thing in your head?
Post by: nickmitch on August 12, 2005, 05:03:04 PM
MS: "Hey guys! Let's get in to the videogame industry. We won't make a profit for eight years and we'll probably make a HUGE investment only to turn out a small profit after the initial eight years, but I think it's worth it!"
It's not like they're artistic visionaries trying to get a point across or anything. They're just a corporation! I know that they're trying to take over the world, but who's going care if they don't have the cash flow to back up their athority?
Post by: BigJim on August 12, 2005, 06:36:52 PM
Post by: stevey on August 13, 2005, 08:55:47 AM
no sony trying to take over the world, ms is trying to controll the world because they think you supid like bee buying halo 2 or ant buy the 360.
Post by: jasonditz on August 13, 2005, 10:55:42 AM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
MS has a long term plan to own the living room, just like Sony does. They're just using video games as a start to get there, also just like Sony. heh.
And just like Philips did with the CDi, and Panasonic did with the 3DO... long term plans change, and in high tech, its quite often. The end here is still a chance for Microsoft to make an enormous profit in some future market... but if things don't turn out like they planned, and it looks like whatever profits were supposed to come aren't going to materialize after all, don't be shocked if they cut and run in short order... the same goes for Sony.
Post by: nickmitch on August 13, 2005, 05:00:45 PM
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Post by: couchmonkey on August 17, 2005, 10:17:05 AM
And yes, I do think both Nintendo Sony should have been ready to launch almost any time in 2006. Microsoft has been telling people for over a year that Xbox 360 would launch in 2005, Sony should have taken that seriously. I know that at this point its too late for Sony to change the launch of PS3 by more than a few months, but it should have been ready. Maybe it won't matter, I've heard a lot of negative opinions about Xbox 360, but then again, maybe Microsoft will grab up 10 or 20 million users by the time Sony and Nintendo launch next year.
Post by: IceCold on August 17, 2005, 08:11:08 PM
Probably not. In fact, I don't know why so many people are predicting that the X360 will have a huge lead before the other consoles release. It's price has been revealed, and I seriously doubt that it will get THAT much of a sales advantage & people are overestimating what it will do.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 18, 2005, 05:41:58 AM
I really expect it to get a huge headstart in the United States. US gamers are totally about having the latest and greatest despite the cost. Everyone I have talked to that plays games has the Xbox 360 preordered or is going to buy one.
Outside of the US I expect much slower sales. Specially with Japan and Europe. I just don't see Microsoft offering anything new for those markets. It's as if Microsoft is shooting for US dominance and that is all.
Sure Microsoft has SquareEnix working on a game, but it won't be out for awhile, and by then Revolution and PS3 will probably be out or nearing release. I don't see the Japanese chosing the Xbox over those systems at all.
I predict Microsoft could have a sold 5 Million unit head start around the world with most of that being in America.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 18, 2005, 05:47:42 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 18, 2005, 06:34:14 AM
I think the difference between Xbox 360 and Dreamcast is that Microsoft has lots of cash. Sega did not. I still totally agree that coming out early could kill the Xbox 360, but it's kind of a wild card.
In fact, I think this whole upcoming generation is full of wild cards. How will Microsoft's early launch change things? What's the secret behind Nintendo's "revolutionary" interface? Will PS3 really overpower the other systems by a wide margin, and will it really cost that much more than the other systems? Exciting times!
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2005, 06:54:56 AM
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