Post by: Chris1 on August 01, 2005, 12:09:18 AM
Source: http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Microsoft-Toshiba-HD-DVD-Alliance-Changes-Xbox-360-3902.shtml
Well, I'd say those buying the console at launch are screwed. What a waste!
Post by: Deguello on August 01, 2005, 02:22:21 AM
I except 20 editorials by tomorrow.
Post by: Spak-Spang on August 01, 2005, 04:53:51 AM
This is obviously to keep prices down and to make the system as accessable and affordable to everyone. Just like Nintendo's decision, but I bet there won't be a single article challenging MS for there decision.
Post by: Bill Aurion on August 01, 2005, 07:39:06 AM
Post by: stevey on August 01, 2005, 08:04:21 AM
Post by: Pale on August 01, 2005, 08:13:32 AM
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Why is Microsoft turning their back on this impressive new technology that will surely become the standard?
I except 20 editorials by tomorrow.
Haha... that made me smile.
Post by: MarioAllStar on August 01, 2005, 08:18:56 AM
Basically, if I understand this correctly, the initial XBOX 360 systems will only be compatible with DVD discs, while the second generation systems will be compatible with DVD and HD-DVD. Perhaps I haven't followed Microsoft enough, but do they plan to release games on HD-DVD discs later? If so, wouldn't that render the first generation systems incomptaible with future games without a potentially costly upgrade? What's worse, no HD output or a big batch of systems that are incompatible with games designed for its own system? Someone please correct me if I wrong here.
Edit: It seems that comments on the article point to games not being released on HD-DVD discs. That makes this "upgrade" all the more pathetic. At least with the PS2 and XBOX DVD playback the neccessary disc drive was already built in, so it was a mainly software addition. The discs were used for the benefit of the game, with DVD playback as an extra feature. Now they plan to upgrade the disc drive for the sole reason of adding movie playback. If this doesn't show how gaming systems are moving away from gaming I don't know what does.
Post by: pudu on August 01, 2005, 08:53:15 AM
Overall I see this as a fairly stupid attempt to counter Sony's inclusion of BluRay...one that will undoubtably anger the buyers of the original systems and anger developers once they upgrade to HD-DVD compatibility and, yet, cannot even use the space for games. I agree that this could really help their sales latter on but is it worth angering so many loyal fans that buy one from the beggining?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 01, 2005, 10:25:18 AM
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That article was written June 28th. Why hasn't this received more attention like the lack of HD in the Revolution did?
This news was posted a while ago, nobody payed it any attention.
Post by: BigJim on August 01, 2005, 11:04:40 AM
And it's still not clear which HD format, or a combination thereof, will be the standard. No matter what anybody says.
Post by: stevey on August 01, 2005, 01:11:27 PM
oh did not the ps2 KILL the DC
in japan because they were buying it as a dvd player because the matrix was only on dvd and it was the ceapist dvd player and die in the us because sony hype the ps2 to the point the US stop sony form shiping it to china for fears that it be use to make/launch nuke at the US and that it would have better 3d than toystory and kill pc 3d upright and its a super computer and it be unbeatable in game goodness and lie lie lie lie ...
Post by: Obiyo on August 01, 2005, 10:03:59 PM
Anyway, I remember hearing this about the Xbox360 at least several months ago. The thing about the larger disks isn't so much that you can put more game on there, it's that you can do it in HD. That's the whole purpose of these larger formats coming out, that you can put an entire movie on to one in HD. IIRC I heard that the X360 was going to use 720p, if so then it is entirely plausible that Nintendo would do the same. 720p isn't HD but supposedly it's closer(picture quality-wise) to HD than it is to a standard tv.
EDIT: spelling
Post by: hudsonhawk on August 02, 2005, 01:32:23 PM
That said, MS has said the Xbox will work as an upscaling DVD player which, for the time being, is infinitely more useful to me than an HD-DVD player (what with the no HD-DVDs on the market). I'm not convinced high-capacity media will get much market penetration, or make for a huge difference between next-generation consoles. The lower cost-to-produce of DVDs may in fact work in MS' favor.
Post by: Obiyo on August 02, 2005, 08:12:22 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on August 05, 2005, 11:51:59 AM
Assuming Microsoft is just adding an HD DVD movie player to the system later, then who cares? I don't want that feature anyway, and it has no effect on the games. HD TV support does have an effect on gaming (albeit a minor one) so it's more important to me.
Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2005, 08:19:05 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2005, 12:25:12 PM
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Mahesh Jayanarayan, a consultant to the company, is keen to emphasise that VMD is not a competing new standard, but an enhancement of the standard DVD format. Indeed, VMD uses the existing red laser technology, the same pick-up lenses and the manufacturing process utilises only existing DVD manufacturing technologies and equipment. Furthermore, the player is fully compatible with standard DVD and other types of optical discs.
NME’s philosophy is to bring to market packaged HDTV at a price consumers have come to expect – and indeed are now used to – with DVD players. Dr Sergey Magnitskiy, one of the VMD developers, estimates that changing the decoder and controller software chips would add “only a few dollars” to the price of a DVD player.
20GB VMD discs will be mass-produced in time for Christmas. The 30GB version should be ready for Summer 2006, according to the company.
Less technologically ambitious than FMD or other very high storage holographic approaches or even, for that matter, Blu-ray and HD-DVD, VMD has the considerable advantage of offering the same high-quality HD experience at a fraction of the price, and now.
What if MS decides to just stick with DVD? WIth this tech they don't need HDDVD or BluRay. They change the decoder and controller software chips and release it with a normal DVD drive, No one is the wiser, and they can gradually release bigger and bigger game disc as needed and HD movies in the future.
They could still release a HDDVD version in the furture if that format were to catch on, but why bother?
HDDVD & BluRay lose?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 07, 2005, 08:44:27 PM
Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2005, 06:45:11 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 09, 2005, 11:29:53 AM
Post by: stevey on August 09, 2005, 02:57:28 PM
Post by: nickmitch on August 09, 2005, 05:17:07 PM
And the laser reads past layer 1 on to layer 2.
Post by: BigJim on August 09, 2005, 10:40:50 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 09, 2005, 10:51:14 PM
Neither. DVDs form a spacetime distortion which can hold huge capacities of data and are read by measuring the deviation of the light beam caused by gravity anomalies. How else can it hold 4.7 billion letters when an A4 sheet can't even hold a fraction of that?
A wise man once said "Stupid question begets stupid answer".
TVMan: Not necessarily, you could just remove the corresponding amount of material from the protective layer.
Post by: nickmitch on August 10, 2005, 04:45:37 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 10, 2005, 09:24:03 PM
Post by: stevey on August 11, 2005, 05:14:41 AM
^that hurt my head. so translate in to inglish mean the data it in the warp of the disk and read by measuring the warp.
Post by: nickmitch on August 11, 2005, 06:24:02 PM
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It'll be as fragile as the HDDVD guys claim BRDs are.
Ok, I think I get it. They take out the protective layer to make way for the extra data holding layers so that there is no physical size increase.
