Post by: Nemo on July 06, 2005, 01:06:14 PM
I know that 802.11g is faster than 802.11b. I think the DS uses 802.11b, right? (Also, do we know what the Revolution will use?) If the DS uses the b, obviously an 802.11b router would work fine, but would be slower for all the computers in my house. As I understand, an 802.11g router would NOT be compatable with 802.11b devices, such as the DS. So, I think I'm stuck either getting a slower router or not being able to go online with the DS. Am I correct?
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on July 06, 2005, 01:14:52 PM
Post by: IceCold on July 06, 2005, 01:23:03 PM
So rest assured, that router will work.
Post by: Nemo on July 06, 2005, 01:40:02 PM
Post by: Pale on July 06, 2005, 02:50:21 PM
But only because every 802.11g device is also 802.11b.
Post by: Strell on July 06, 2005, 04:19:11 PM
I use a b network right now for my computer and it works just fine.
As far as DS compatability goes, you might want to do some research on the wireless demos that you can download right now. The webpage that houses that information will list a lot of routers and wireless cards that carry specific chipsets that are compatible. I think they use an RT2560 chipset, which should be manufactured by a company called Ralink if I know my cards well enough.
Here's the page with homebrewed drivers and instructions on how to download stuff to the DS:
http://users.belgacom.net/bn967347/download.htm
And here's a list (from the above site) that is supposed to list compatible PCMCIA cards and routers:
http://ralink.rapla.net/
So I assume if you have that tech (which I don't so I can't test it myself), you should be able to communicate with the DS wirelessly (I would have killed to be able to get the Meteos demo from E3 1.5 months ago).
As far as the Revolution goes, my guess is that it will use either b or g. I'm leaning more towards G for gaming purposes (beacuse of the increased speed over b) since more data will need to be relayed as oppsoed to the DS. My guess is that DS data is far less than super 3D detailed graphics.
The next step with router tech will be PreN, but I really don't know much about that. I think they are compatible with b/g, but I'll have to research more (I'm at work, I'll reply later).
Another thing to think about: if you have 2.4ghz frequency cordless phones, you might want to look into investing in a 5.8 ghz frequency phone. Because they operate on the same signals, they *can* cause interference. It won't happen all the time, but it is best not to chance it and to keep the lines are clear as possible.
Post by: Grant10k on July 06, 2005, 05:26:24 PM
ALL G devices are also B devices, but B devices are only B devices
A rectangle can be a square, but a square can't be a rectangle.
Post by: IceCold on July 06, 2005, 06:56:25 PM
Yea - the "b" connection turns out to around 1,375 KB/s - that's more than enough as you all know.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 07, 2005, 04:15:25 AM
Post by: Pale on July 07, 2005, 04:34:54 AM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
"802.11b is MUCH faster than your internet connection "
Yea - the "b" connection turns out to around 1,375 KB/s - that's more than enough as you all know.
It's important to mention that there are still many benefits to going to G even if you are only using it for internet. Namely, it will have a better and more reliable range.
I used to work at Circuit City and i was told to tell people they didn't need G if they were only using it for internet. After I used B, had crappy range, and switched to G, I changed my tune. They are so close in price, I highly suggest going G if it is your first time setting one up.
Post by: Draygaia on July 07, 2005, 07:32:37 AM
Post by: stevey on July 07, 2005, 03:28:53 PM
No, all square are rectangle, but not all rectangle can be a square. and speaking of wi fi dose anyone know how to hack a web key? There five hot spot in my house but all of them need web key and I want to use them to play online ds and my neighbor are evil.
Post by: Strell on July 07, 2005, 04:39:02 PM
A rectangle can be a square, but only if it has all sides the same length.
Additionally, differentiability for a function implies continuity, but continuity doesn't gaurantee differentiability.
My calculus teacher nailed that in my head.Stevey:
You can hack a key from what I know, but I wouldn't recommend it for the sole reason that this is generally considered, cough, illegal. I'm sure if you googled around you could find the necessary programs. Most of them require that you look at packets and dissect a valid key from that information, and then set up a "dummy" MAC Address. In essence you replace some computer that is connected with a "dummy" (maybe better to think of it as ghosted) address that the router recognizes, and then you can freely send information around. At least, from what I remember reading, that's basically how it works.
Honestly it would be better to just ask if you can connect. While using someone else's connection that you aren't paying for is also somewhat illegal, it's better than stealing bandwidth. In all reality I doubt anyone would notice (ISP or neighbors, etc), but it's best to not chance it.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2005, 09:19:50 PM
Post by: Grant10k on July 08, 2005, 10:27:06 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
"A rectangle can be a square, but a square can't be a rectangle. "
No, all square are rectangle, but not all rectangle can be a square.
Quote
Originally posted by: strell
All squares are rectangles.
A rectangle can be a square, but only if it has all sides the same length.
Additionally, differentiability for a function implies continuity, but continuity doesn't gaurantee differentiability. My calculus teacher nailed that in my head.
Christ...i was trying to make it SIMPLE. Ok, I'm going to make this so simple that no one can misunderstand it
All G and B will work.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 12, 2005, 03:32:32 PM
Post by: Renny on July 12, 2005, 05:29:03 PM
I think the DS and PSP in particular could bring this issue to the forefront. They likely won't have any real AP management, and will probably just connect to any 'open' AP. I'm looking forward to 8-year-olds being arrested for happening into ignorant telecommuters' WiFi signals.
Post by: jasonditz on July 12, 2005, 07:37:39 PM
Personally, I leave my AP open intentionally for people to use if they want to. Not that anybody ever has...
Post by: 31 Flavas on July 12, 2005, 07:51:58 PM
QuoteNot to mention that those AP should have been protected / locked w/ at least a WEP key. It's your fault if you don't lock or secure your wi-fi signal then broadcast it into my yard or house or onto a public street where I can sit in my car and use it.
Originally posted by: Renny
I don't remember him being convicted. There are really no appropriate laws in place to address the issue of unprotected WiFi APs. The laws dealing with accessing networks are pre-WiFi.
I think the DS and PSP in particular could bring this issue to the forefront. They likely won't have any real AP management, and will probably just connect to any 'open' AP. I'm looking forward to 8-year-olds being arrested for happening into ignorant telecommuters' WiFi signals.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2005, 08:44:31 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on July 19, 2005, 11:23:40 AM
If somebody can do that then they deserve to steal my signal IMHO ;-D
