Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Renny on June 24, 2005, 03:49:56 PM
Title: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on June 24, 2005, 03:49:56 PM
Anyone who bitches about the bait title is stoopid. X¬þ
This is a guide/discussion about turning your PC into a DS download station, as was previously reported on DSUpdate [a long time ago]. First things first, you will need a WiFi card with the RT2500 chipset. Here is a list of cards featuring the chipsets. The USB devices will not work. I got the Foxconn WLL-3350 PCI card myself; it's cheap, it works, it has an antenna with a magnetic base that sticks to your case and that's just super-spiffy. You will also need the latest RT2560 driver and Wireless Multi-Boot app located here. I recommend using the WMB Frontend with the WMB app, because CLIs are for people who aren't lazy. I'm sure most of the people reading this are. Of course you'll need the demos to upload to your DSes, which can be found here. Make sure you download from FireFly's mirror, as those are the files compiled for upload to the DS through your WiFi connection.
OK, now that you've got everything downloaded, unzip the driver to someplace permanent, such as C:\Games\NDS\rt2650\. Unzip the Wireless Multiboot app and WMB Front to a neighboring directory, C:\Games\NDS\WMB\. Unzip the demo files to the \WMB\data\ subdirectory.
Install your WiFi card of choice. If you're already using a compatible card, uninstall the driver. Note that installing this custom driver will make the card inoperable for regular LAN use, so if you're depending on it for internet access you'll obviously be SOL while uploading to your DS. At the hardware installation wizard, select No, not this time when asked if you want to use Windows Update to search for software. Next, select Install from a list or specific location. Then Don't search.... At the next screen select Show All Devices. Next, click Have Disk and find the .INF file for your system; either Win2k, XP i386, or XP AMD64. Next you'll see Ralink RT2550 Device. Select this, then select Yes at the dialog box. Click Finish and your card is installed to communicate with DSes.
If the previous paragraph didn't make any sense [very likely], go here and follow the instructions till your card is installed with the custom driver, then quickly return here. [Quickly!]
Run WMBFront.exe. Click Browse to load the NDS file you want to upload. If it is a valid NDS file, you will see an icon along with some info about the file. Turn on your DS and navigate to DS Download Play. Now click Upload in WMB Front and your DS should find the demo. Download away. If your DS couldn't find the demo, try selecting different channels in WMB Front till you get a good signal.
You can run WMB in kiosk mode to have your PC emulate a DS download station. This will send WMB back into broadcast mode after uploading a file, so you can leave it open for other people who happen to be within range of your PC and have their DS looking for downloads. Tick Kiosk Mode before clicking Upload. Serve multiple demos by selecting multiple files at the Open dialog, though this does seem to congest the connection. You are also limited to 8 simultaneous demos regardless of connection quality.
Have fun with your game demos [besides Guru Guru Nagetto]. And leave your PC in kiosk mode on the off chance someone stumbles onto your signal and is within the DS's communication range [very short, judging by my casual testing].
Anything in this guide not make sense? Of course not, I barely proofread. I'll be glad to explain further, and eventually edit this post for to clean up the guide.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: stevey on June 24, 2005, 04:08:41 PM
Is there any easy way to do it?
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Artimus on June 24, 2005, 04:15:50 PM
Where do we get demos?
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Grant10k on June 24, 2005, 11:30:46 PM
Quote Originally posted by: stevey Is there any easy way to do it?
You'd be hard pressed to find an easier way than that other than a trip to Japan. I'm supprised it's this easy, I was half expecting some sorta freaky linux compile thing with wierd .h files and strange computer code.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2005, 06:52:08 AM
Found out my chip is supported (ASUS A8V Deluxe mobo + WiFi card)... YAY!
What do you mean with "besides Guru Guru Nagetto"? Bad game or doesn't work?
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on June 25, 2005, 07:54:37 AM
I'd rather go play with inflatable balls in my back yard. Seriously. I may do a versus on the Guru Guru Nagetto demo and going out into my yard to play with inflatable balls.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on June 25, 2005, 08:51:31 PM
But your balls don't bounce on command!
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on July 07, 2005, 09:31:01 PM
Edit: Some impressions. Oh god, what have thou done to Advance Wars? Did we spite thee, god?
Turn-based is turn-based, real-time is real-time. And never the twain shall meet. Except in Combat Mission. 'Cause that game is cool, and it's still just turn-based anyway.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 08, 2005, 11:19:26 PM
Urk, I hope there's another mode to that game, this mode just sucks. It has less strategy than Darwinia and because you can have only one unit at a time there's no way to balance out your unit use. It's more like Battle City than Advance Wars.
At least give us units with multiple weapons if you insist on giving us only one unit!
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: RABicle on July 09, 2005, 01:27:42 AM
Did you guys even read PGCs E3 impressions? It has regular turn based mode too.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: ShyGuy on July 09, 2005, 05:59:57 AM
I'm guessing finding the turn based mode is hard when all the text is in japanese?
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on July 09, 2005, 06:27:33 AM
We've read that the game still has turn-based. But if this is the demo they're using to show off the game, I no longer wonder why it bombed so hard over there. They're potentially chasing off even old fans of the series with this crap.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 09, 2005, 06:51:06 AM
ShyGuy: It's even harder when the turn-based mode isn't included.
Though I have to say the action mode IS a bit more fun than the standard game, though less polished.
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Blackknight131 on July 12, 2005, 03:32:58 AM
The real time action mode is extra.
Rest assured, the Advance Wars gameplay is intact, just now over two screens. The game, despite high famitsu scores, just didnt have a knockout first week. Hopefully it will have good legs and will ultimately sell well over there...otherwise it seems quite a travesty that the good games are being ignored in favor of "non-games".
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Pale on July 12, 2005, 07:13:14 AM
So, do you think we will continue to see demos show up online? What are the chances of getting the Nintendogs exclusive 'parks' and other things like that?
Basically, I'm trying to decide if its worth me purchasing the wireless nic for my pc.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 12, 2005, 08:46:50 AM
Any chance of us seeing real download stations in the States?
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Pale on July 12, 2005, 10:22:51 AM
This is such a good idea, I'm starting to think Nintendo should sell them as a kit.
Picture this, you buy a "Start your own demo kiosk" kit. It comes with a wireless accessory, probably USB for ease of use. You register online, and then you get access to new demos as they come out. As people buy these, the chances of someone without the kit finding a hot spot grow.
It would be really cool, and be a way to earn revenue while advertising games. Presumably, if they were first party products with first party controlled drivers, they could at least have some control over possible exploits as well.
Anyway, I really want to do this, but I want some assurance that we will see more demos put up online.
To all who have tried it, do you notice any issues as far as interfering with your 'real' 80211 network and causing packet loss or corruption?
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 12, 2005, 08:43:12 PM
Nah, last time I tried the signal has too little range to let people run kiosks from their computers and have the signal reach public areas.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on July 13, 2005, 08:27:35 AM
It works directly in front of my house, in the street. But the signal can be seen and is considered 'strong' down the block. The limitation is the DS's ability to communicate with the PC. The DS is very weak in "NiFi" mode at least. I guess a direct LOS, meaning no obstacles whatsoever, could yield better range. If anyone has a good omni antenna give it a shot. The odds of anyone using it are slim, of course.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 13, 2005, 08:49:31 AM
The DS can recognize the hotspot at much larger distances than it can successfully download the game. When I go into the kitchen and try to download, it'll show the name and icon properly but trying to download will result in a connection error.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on July 13, 2005, 09:25:44 PM
Yeah, that's what I said. I think. Maybe I should try that antenna hack where you wire it to a ground trace. And it'll make it play GB games too!* The DS needs some cantenna action.
*This so-called hack may be, and in fact is totally false. Attempting to perform this modification on your DS makes you a dillhole.
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 22, 2005, 06:41:26 PM
Kick ass! I got the same card, and it works perfectly. Got it within 2 days using super saver Fedex from Newegg - I read about this on some other sites but never tried it. I don't use the frontend...it doesn't seem to work, but the command line version works fine. This is awesome.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: stevey on July 26, 2005, 02:18:05 PM
and I'm trying to download the game but you lost me hear
"Install your WiFi card of choice. If you're already using a compatible card, uninstall the driver. Note that installing this custom driver will make the card inoperable for regular LAN use, so if you're depending on it for internet access you'll obviously be SOL while uploading to your DS. At the hardware installation wizard, select No, not this time when asked if you want to use Windows Update to search for software. Next, select Install from a list or specific location. Then Don't search.... At the next screen select Show All Devices. Next, click Have Disk and find the .INF file for your system; either Win2k, XP i386, or XP AMD64. Next you'll see Ralink RT2550 Device. Select this, then select Yes at the dialog box. Click Finish and your card is installed to communicate with DSes"
0 how do I find out what wifi card have in my laptop and will it work on my laptop 1 how do I uninstall it 2 can I reinstall 3 how do install the custom driver
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on July 26, 2005, 06:48:12 PM
Um, Stevey, did you even read that? It's not about setting up a distributor for demos, it's about implementing an opensource non-GPL (LGPL at worst, preferrably BSD or MIT) TCP/IP stack for the DS.
Rightclick My Computer -> Properties -> Tab Hardware -> Device Manager. Expand "Network Interface". Rightclick on your WiFi card -> Properties -> Tab Driver -> Driver Details. It'll list a filename, should say rt25??.sys (? can be any number) if it's compatible.
If it is, close the Driver Info popup, click Update Driver, select "Select Hardware from List", select device type "Other", click on Diskette, give it the path to the driver files from the DS Wifi thing, it'll show you some driver. Select that driver and click OK (might throw a few warnings about "that's not compatible!" or "That's not certified!", if it can be ignored, do so if not you're doing something wrong). Windows will probably prompt you to reboot, do that. If everything worked without any error messages, try running the WiFi app.
If it doesn't say "RT25??.sys" or you couldn't follow these instructions you cannot use that custom driver anyway.
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 04, 2005, 08:05:53 PM
Demos for Nintendogs and Jump Superstars are available for download in Japan now. If anyone finds a site with them, please link it here. They're only demos, and they're free and set up for download by Nintendo themselves, so I really don't think there's anything wrong with posting links.
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 06, 2005, 04:17:24 PM
Jump Superstars demo (Jap) can be found on this site http://www.akkit.org/DS/E3/ - still no luck with Nintendogs. Jump Superstars is pretty cool, an SSBM-type game would be (and will be, at least in Japan) absolutely awesome on the DS.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 06, 2005, 09:10:25 PM
Three cheers for 3+1 control layouts!
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on August 17, 2005, 11:48:03 AM
Nintendo announced in Germany today that they'd launch WiFi terminals all throughout Europe, which makes North American support a no-brainer.
We'll all get our demo fix, not to worry, not to worry...
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: stevey on August 17, 2005, 04:31:48 PM
"North American support a no-brainer."
no they never bring color stuff to North American
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on August 18, 2005, 12:50:31 AM
kirbyk~1: Not necessarily. Compare the mobile phone market of Europe and the US. We've also got PSP demo kiosks which last I heard were never deployed in the US. The population density is much higher here, in the US cities are few and far in between. Effectively covering Europe is much easier than doing the same for the US.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: Renny on October 17, 2005, 11:53:56 AM
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 18, 2005, 12:51:19 AM
Pokemon demo rules:
When you line up four you go into combo mode, then you need to line up three to continue, after that two will suffice. When the counter on the top left runs out (number of tiles to be dropped) you go into combo 2 mode, after it ends you gain points if less than five (or four?) pokemon remain on the field. The less, the more points you get.
I don't know what the three pokemon it shows you at the beginning of each level mean.
Title: RE:DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 18, 2005, 11:03:09 AM
The game is pretty awesome.
Title: RE: DS download stations outside Japan?
Post by: KDR_11k on October 19, 2005, 12:07:49 AM
Yup. Since it's a demo I'd have expected it to end after one or two levels but it lasts pretty long.
