Post by: Kirby_PopStar on June 18, 2005, 10:59:20 PM
This is a model + theory about the Nintendo Revolution I made in my spare time. So far, the feedback on other forums has been great. What do YOU guys think about it? Can you think of any other ideas of how this technology could be used?
Post by: IceCold on June 18, 2005, 11:56:35 PM
I have some questions though.
How would you emulate the X&Y / C buttons on it for backwards compatibility? I know that you said you could squeeze the handles, but that would hardly be a substitute.
It's a lot harder to hold two separate controllers than one. Your hands would get tired easily, and it really wouldn't be comfortable. Also, it would be extremely easy to move around those controllers involuntarily. It is impossible to hold something in your non-dominant hand especially completely still. In situations where you would neet to be very sensitive with your controls (so that you son't fall off something for instance) it would be difficult.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 19, 2005, 12:29:12 AM
Post by: Kirby_PopStar on June 19, 2005, 07:36:23 AM
Also, maybe a final render or design of the controller could be slightly smaller and more manageable. I know my mock-up is not 100% ergonomically designed at the moment. I invision that it could also include a strap to your hand so you can let go, and be comfortable, yet still have the controller in finger reach. To stop involuntary movement of the gyroscope, most tilting would rely on the fact that you're either squeezing the grip at a pressure that would be gentle, yet intentionally squeezing, or holding down a trigger button.
Also, while the gyroscopic technology is certainly good for changing the camera and aiming, why should they set limits on themselves? It COULD be used for moving around, but I'd assume most of the time not. Like in my Zelda example, the control stick still moves Link.
Post by: Strell on June 19, 2005, 08:45:32 AM
I mean, it could be taken a bit further, but I only have one idea. And this is a little thing but I'll mention it anyway. With RPGs, given that the game is less action oriented, sometimes I'd like to be able to control it just with one hand (use the other for snacks, etc). So this would be quite possible with this setup - the left one could have the buttons assignable, so you could perform execute/cancel commands easily and move around. It's not revolutionary by any means (the PSOne had controllers like this, I think the SNES might have also), but it's still something else that could be factored in.
In fact, having seen this controller, I am going to very pissed if Nintendo's isn't at least as amazing, in terms of control, as this one is. This goes above and beyond anything on controller interfaces yet seen. It's almost like the transition from 2D to 3D. Where Microsoft and Sony would be stuck in thinking of a stationary 2 handed controller approach, this idea would absolutely floor them in terms of fluid design and mechanics.
I must admit, very impressive. I can only hope the Rev's controller is half as engaging as this.
Post by: IceCold on June 19, 2005, 09:12:41 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I don't think they'd tie the gyros to actual movement, just camera control, aiming, etc.
If you read Page 2, he says to imagine controlling Mario with the gyros. He says "Imagine, gently gripping the left or right control while tilting in a particular direction would make Mario start walking that way. Tilt a slight bit further, and Mario will run. The control stick could move the camera."
This is not using it for camera control, it is using them for movement, and it would require a lot of precision, as I said.
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Originally posted by: Kirby_PopStar
Thank you. It doesn't need to support GameCube games... The Revolution has ports for GameCube controllers already. I'm pretty sure Nintendo won't make the Revolution controller able to work for the GameCube games, thus not having to limit themselves in any way for the Revolution controller
Well, Reggie said you would be able to play all the other consoles with only a Rev controller, so...
Post by: KDR_11k on June 19, 2005, 09:38:11 AM
Post by: Pittbboi on June 19, 2005, 10:03:51 AM
No matter what the concept, Nintendo needs a controller that, for the most part, remains static, so gamers can hold it in a manner that's comfortable to them.
Post by: stevey on June 19, 2005, 10:28:15 AM
The gc port is only for gc game you play rev., n64, snes, nes, and hopefuly sg. game with the rev controller and the revolutingary part of the rev is NOT THE CONTROLLER OR HOW YOU USE IT BUT IN THE GAME THEMSELF. nintendo not showing it because sony and ms controller suck.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 19, 2005, 11:56:07 AM
The only problem I have with your controller mock-up is that it doesn't allow ALL games to be played.
If you added:
Another joystick to the left controller
More face-buttons to the left controller
A D-pad to the right controller
Triggers to the back of the controllers (while still keeping the squeeze grip)
Then you would have a marvelous controller that plays all games but also games that have yet to be invented.
Post by: MrMojoRising on June 19, 2005, 01:48:16 PM
I don't expect whatever Nintendo has to be quite as "out there" as this. Although there are some really cool ideas and such, I think with all the chatter of being friendly towards non-gamers that it would still look somewhat more conventional.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 19, 2005, 11:54:51 PM
My most critical complaint is that having squeeze grips makes things more complicated. It should be straight forward. You shouldn't have to press anything to make the gyro work (unless there is an on/off switch). Its just like how we had to hold down a button to look in Metroid. Plus you have to concentrate on using more digits. The only two digits that should be used regularly are the thumb and trigger finger. The middle finger should be viewed as secondary.
You made a nice rendering, but I believe you should spend more time thinking about the mechanics, making them simple, translucent, immediate, and accessable.
Post by: Dasmos on June 20, 2005, 02:11:10 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 20, 2005, 05:44:14 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 20, 2005, 08:20:32 AM
They're still 35 Euros here.
