Post by: nemo_83 on June 15, 2005, 11:58:38 PM
"Nintendo is always trying to be on the forefront of control innovations, like the analog stick, rumble or wireless," said Miyamoto, "As soon as these are available, our competitors snatch them up. Because the user interface is going to drive the Revolution software design, that's what's going to make our software stand out. Nobody else is going to be able to do what we do with next-generation game software. So, I can't reveal anything. It's under wraps because it's the big gun."
cube.ign.com
He mentions, "the," "big gun." I believe that this is a pun my friends. Miyamoto has always been tricky, hiding, compacting information, forshadowing things in his interviews. Remember Dinosaur Planet.
This quote could be taken very generally. But I think it is very specific. He is emphasising certain things here. I can imagine that big gun statement coming back to tease us. The REV controller could simulate a light gun. He very well could be refering to the next form of force feedback that also allows many types of games to be made (like haptics which can be used to virtually simulate anything, "a virtual console") such as software for making games or shooters where you hold the gun and feel the gun. It could alternativly mean gyros are in the controller. It would be simple enough. Many though may say it isn't enough even if they emplemented haptics into the thumb controls of the controller. That is why I brought up haptics first for the controller, for arm controls rather than finger controls. Gyros would work better for body movements. People always ask about how gyros would work for control when you would have to concentrate on keeping your arms level in a game despite you body position. The gyro would make more sense perhaps if it was placed inside a VR helmet (the answer to the eyetoy and HD) allowing you to use the gyro soley through your head and full body movements (no camera needed); and your arms can opperate the controller seperatly and freely. Imagine controlling Super Mario 64 by leaning forward to make Mario run faster. I remember doing that unknowingly when I first played Super Mario Bros on the NES. It didn't affect the character on screen, but it was more of an impulse, a reflex. I was immersed in the game experience. I was in awe and completly associated with the character. So much so that I moved my body with the character. I've seen Miyamoto display games in the past and he leans when he plays. Perhaps this is a forshadowing of future Nintendo control methods.
I believe that a key part of the REV is that it is virtual. If it is virtual it can simulate the arcade, traditional console gaming, and PC gaming. It can bring the arcade home again. Now days when I think of what seperates arcade games from console games is that arcade games are much more simulative. Perhaps you really have a sword to swing. Or you have to use both arms to control the podracer in Star Wars. You really have a control mechanism that you move with your arms. A steering wheel for example.
Post by: Dasmos on June 16, 2005, 01:12:47 AM
Post by: Famicom on June 16, 2005, 02:26:54 AM
Personally I see it in a general sense, and that alone has me excited. I can't recall a time I've seen Miyamoto so pumped up over a single feature (and no, he didn't quite equate connectivity for the GC as "a big gun"), so it must be something that really gets his creative wheel cranking. Third parties jumped on the new DS technology, so I HOPE the console ones throw us a few bones here. At least one man outside Nintendo is pretty excited.
EDIT: You can add seven more to that list of optimistic industry heads.
Post by: stevey on June 16, 2005, 03:39:54 AM
Post by: Dasmos on June 16, 2005, 04:33:23 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2005, 05:23:10 AM
That makes me feel better.
Remember the last time Nintendo had developers excited and hyped up about a system? Yeah it was the DS. And although it had a rocky launch, the DS is continually proving that is the handheld system to beat, even against the superior powered PSP.
Developers just see the DS as a great system to try new ideas for, and the relatively cheaper development costs over the PSP games make it much easier to take risks.
There are so many games for the DS I wish I could buy it is unbelievable.
Kirby
Pac Pix
Ultimate Brain Games
Mario
Metroid Pinball
Advance Wars DS
ect...
If Nintendo delivers with a unique control experience, and a yet announced hardware surprise, then Nintendo may just recapture alot of developers imaginations.
Also remember that these developers are more likely to know alittle more than us about Revolution, and they still don't know what Nintendo is up too...or they do and NDAs prevent them from commenting.
Post by: Mario on June 16, 2005, 05:36:05 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on June 16, 2005, 05:42:06 AM
Based on the information we have, Mario DS is the one to watch right now. Let's worry about 128 once that's safely in our grasp.
And I think you're looking too much into this metaphor. "Big gun" is a pretty common thing to call this kind of stuff.
Post by: jasonditz on June 16, 2005, 06:03:26 AM
Post by: Mario on June 16, 2005, 06:06:24 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 16, 2005, 06:22:20 AM
What isn't yet designed is what will be new that sets the Mario game apart from the other Mario games. They probably have a few options and Miyamoto is doing what he does best. Watching gamers play the mechanics, and figuring if the people are having fun. He loves to watch people and determine new ideas from the reactions of players, not just what he thinks may be fun. It is one of the most interesting aspects to his game creation process.
Mario needs to bring something big to the table. Sunshine brought alot of uniqueness to the formula created by Mario 64, but this new Mario needs to either drastically change that formula, or bring something new that will keep the formula fresh (which may not be possible.)
These experiments can be done while other work for Mario Revolution is being worked on. Then Nintendo can still make launch.
However, Nintendo may decide not to launch with Mario and keep him for later. This may be a good move to present Nintendo as a new company if their new IP is more mature, and launches the system.
Super Smash Brothers Revolution
New IP
Online multiplayer Metroid on Revolution
That would be a good Nintendo launch lineup.
Post by: Mario on June 16, 2005, 06:48:42 AM
Post by: stevey on June 16, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
What! I've been waiting for mario 128 when I gotmy cube
"Who cares about Mario 128?"
I do I've been read pgc every day just wait on mario 128 news
"Indeed, i don't think its the end of the world if Mario 128 doesn't see the light of day for awhile either. The 2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO. "
Not for me it is! Mario 128 were are te tho!
Post by: Ian Sane on June 16, 2005, 08:02:42 AM
That would, well, suck. Moving your body while playing with a controller is one thing but actually using this movement to control the character is different. I've done the "jump with the controller" thing too but when I do that I'm not moving the controller in a precise manner where I'm trying to control the jump with my movement. That would just be ridiculously imprecise. If that turned out to be Nintendo's big idea I wouldn't buy a Rev.
I think "big gun" is just a figure of speech. "It's time to bring out the big guns." It's a popular saying. Does Miyamoto even speak English? This is probably translated so we don't even really know what he said.
From the sounds of things I imagine Mario isn't going to make it for the Rev launch. They would realistically have to be working on it now instead of thinking of concepts. I don't know how I feel about that. I think the Cube launch was hurt by the absense of Mario but the real problem seemed to be that Luigi's Mansion was too short to be the flagship title. It was really more the absense of an epic game to last through the post-launch drought. So having Mario at launch probably isn't needed provided Nintendo makes up for it with something of equal depth and scope. If they launch with a DS-style lineup of glorified mini-games then they're f*cked but they should be fine if that have something with some meat to it that people want to play for a long time. In a way actually it might be better to have no Mario since Mario is very overexposed right now and could use a break so that his next platformer gets more notice. Sunshine was largely ignored because to the average Joe Mario had been in at least one new game every year and thus they didn't notice the significance of a new platformer. Plus Nintendo has a negative image of rehashing the same stuff over and over again. With no Mario the Rev might look fresher like Nintendo is trying something new. But it's important that Nintendo has something equally as great at launch. And that means it has to be for traditional gamers. The "real" Mario games aren't non-gamer games so a non-game as the flagship title wouldn't be a good substitute. Mario fans are longtime game fans and thus there has to be some major game at launch for them.
"2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO."
Who's going to buy a Rev for DS games?
Post by: TMW on June 16, 2005, 08:06:46 AM
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And I beleive he just meant "Big Gun" in the sense it will turn Sony and MS into quivering bits of charred flesh.
...well, maybe not exactly that, but you get the idea.
Post by: Artimus on June 16, 2005, 11:23:17 AM
Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2005, 11:31:29 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 16, 2005, 07:56:38 PM
Did I miss something?
Post by: IceCold on June 16, 2005, 08:18:59 PM
Post by: Nephilim on June 16, 2005, 11:12:24 PM
Im sick of nintendo fans taking qoutes the wrong way and twisting them
Post by: MrMojoRising on June 16, 2005, 11:54:44 PM
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Hino commented that the Revolution will probably have a very unique hardware spec, which he is looking forward to
I really hope he's not just pulling this out of his ass and he's actually been let in the know...the "probably" tells me he does know something...perhaps the rumored PPU.
And I would also be surprised if "big gun" was supposed to be taken literally, I was excited by it because it was one of the first times in a while that someone from Nintendo actually came out and said that the controller specifically is going to be revolutionary.
Post by: Dasmos on June 17, 2005, 03:29:49 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
"I'm a bit worried that there's STILL a lack of direction in Mario 128. I don't see the game coming out for years still. "
What! I've been waiting for mario 128 when I gotmy cube
"Who cares about Mario 128?"
I do I've been read pgc every day just wait on mario 128 news
"Indeed, i don't think its the end of the world if Mario 128 doesn't see the light of day for awhile either. The 2D and the new Superstar Saga for the DS are much more important, IMO. "
Not for me it is! Mario 128 were are te tho!
You will be waiting a long time my friend.............there has been no news ever except for shaky development banter.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 17, 2005, 05:52:39 AM
But what the heck am I supposed to play UNTIL Revolution comes out? It's not like Zelda is going to last forever.
I'm happy to hear Miyamoto speaking so highly of the system's interface. I'm really looking forward to it!
Post by: nickmitch on June 18, 2005, 06:25:12 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 18, 2005, 08:51:05 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 19, 2005, 12:01:24 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 19, 2005, 11:36:45 PM
"Game Informer- "If you could change one thing about the video game industry, what would it be?"
Shigeru Miyamoto- "I think maybe if I could do anything, I would make it so you don't have to sit in front of a TV and play. If you could have a machine that you just plugged in and played inside a virtual world that - would be just great."
source: Game Informer p. 50 issue 109. "
Post by: KDR_11k on June 20, 2005, 02:44:01 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 20, 2005, 07:53:43 AM
Nintendo wouldn't have to answer to questions like "why no HD support?" ever again. The hardware would all be self contained. You don't have to worry about playing on your friend's sixteen inch tv when you carry your system over. In other words you don't have to worry about needing multiple tv screens; like Sony is thinking.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 20, 2005, 08:06:22 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 20, 2005, 07:01:01 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on June 20, 2005, 08:07:26 PM
Or you could buy an HDTV which unlike a Rev helmet can be used for more than playing Rev games. At $200 each the concept would completely bomb. Connectivity bombed on the Cube because GBA owners didn't want to pay a few bucks for a cable. Do you think the people that wouldn't spend less than $20 would spend $200? The whole idea clashes with Nintendo's talk about having an affordable console. It would pretty silly to drop HD support and then have this incredibly expensive idea as their ace in the hole. Anything with a screen would just cost too much money.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2005, 09:17:59 PM
QuoteIan, I think he meant that the helmets would be able to use the same signal as a TV therefore giving everyone their own personal virtual 200 inch screen.
Originally posted by: nemo_83
They will have to make any helmet they produce work with any tv, movie, pc, or console signal in order to give people incentive to buy multiple helmets. You could buy several helmets priced at $200 each for the price of one HD tv.
and....
I thought connectivity died because GC owners like you and me didn't want to have to buy multiple GBA's along with multiple cables to be connectivity ready when friends did come over.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 20, 2005, 09:53:39 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 21, 2005, 01:56:13 AM
KDR, hopefully they would include an option allowing one to turn off the 3d; if one were unable to see it or if it were causing a headache. The device could be switched over into another mode though that can treat migraines. There is a treatment currently that involves wearing a pair of goggles that pulsate red light while you rest or sleep. The red light passes through your lids easier than any other color and as it pulsates it treats the light, sound, and motion derived migraines we all get some times. Also I want to say that the next time we need a pair of goggles or a helmet for games, the technology will have advanced years and there will be fewer literal headaches.
Post by: stevey on June 21, 2005, 03:47:16 AM
I think he not talking about vr helmet but something like the matrix.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 21, 2005, 07:37:10 AM
is that a triforce
Post by: jasonditz on June 21, 2005, 01:46:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"You could buy several helmets priced at $200 each for the price of one HD tv."
Or you could buy an HDTV which unlike a Rev helmet can be used for more than playing Rev games. At $200 each the concept would completely bomb. Connectivity bombed on the Cube because GBA owners didn't want to pay a few bucks for a cable. Do you think the people that wouldn't spend less than $20 would spend $200? The whole idea clashes with Nintendo's talk about having an affordable console. It would pretty silly to drop HD support and then have this incredibly expensive idea as their ace in the hole. Anything with a screen would just cost too much money.
To the extent that connectivity "bombed", it was not because of the price of the cable, it was because most of the supported titles sucked, and the couple that made decent use of it were multiplayer-only titles.
Are you seriously insisting that Nintendo never release another addon that costs more than $20?
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 21, 2005, 02:48:01 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
The Matrix and Ghost in the Shell are impossible. You can't plug your brain in...
Nothing's impossible.
Post by: nickmitch on June 21, 2005, 05:50:56 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
is that a triforce
The home page says "Get inside the game" and if you look at the calender of events. . .
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May 17-19, 2005
Los Angeles Convention Center, Los Angeles, CA
Electronic Entertainment Expo (E3) 2005
Exhibitor
Odd. . .
Post by: IceCold on June 21, 2005, 07:11:29 PM
Post by: Robotor on June 21, 2005, 08:23:09 PM
Seriously guys, figures of speech are used to get points across. The idea of a big gun, means a large
advantage over the competitors, i.e. a larger "gun". You're reading way to deep into it.
And helmets are lame...
Post by: Dasmos on June 21, 2005, 08:53:27 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 22, 2005, 12:01:41 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on June 22, 2005, 01:17:02 AM
Still Miyamoto talks like this is the kind of thing he wishes he could do right now. It is more like talk of what they might be looking at doing in the future. The only reason I posted the Emagin link was because some nutt on nintendo.com is claiming to have inside information that Emagin is making Nintendo a "visor."
Dirk, there are lots of things physiological impossible. They would use nanobots before they would put a port in the back of you medula.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 22, 2005, 08:01:33 AM
Post by: jasonditz on June 22, 2005, 08:23:54 AM
Its a boot-based controller.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 22, 2005, 09:37:45 AM
That link leads to speculated concepts for REV advertising. They look like ass, but the image with the reflection struck me. How often do fans come up with something so clever? In reverse it says Emag (eMagin) Revo (revolution). While normally it says, game over. Earlier I noticed that eMagin could be rearanged to InGame.
Post by: nickmitch on June 22, 2005, 09:39:09 AM
For taking names.
Post by: jasonditz on June 22, 2005, 11:51:37 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 23, 2005, 05:37:50 AM
Post by: King of Twitch on June 23, 2005, 10:00:38 AM
I don't think I'd like to have to move around to control games. Put that in the arcades where it belongs; at home I just want to sit down and unwind. A controller with a built-in mini Superscope would be nice, however.
