Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2005, 02:35:21 PM
Gamespot says "this is looking not bogus" but their logic for that is "MCV can't be wrong, sucka" so who knows.
If the Rev launches in November I think it would be fair to say the Revolution's f*cked. This is the console that is being largely ignored to begin with. Six months after the PS3 is released and a whole year after the Xbox 360 and people aren't even going to remember what Nintendo is. Timing for the launch is extremely important. It's safe to assume no one cares because that's pretty accurate so it's near or before PS3 launch or bust. Plus the Cube lineup they were showing at E3 isn't going to last past summer 2006 at the latest and repeating the "no Nintendo console games for six months" routine from the Cube launch would be pretty dumb. Of course Nintendo can't really change anything now. If they're aiming for November they can't just move the launch up. They'll be stuck with a nothing launch lineup then which could be just as disasterous (or perhaps worse). It's kind of scary to think that the Rev's success may be already decided based on decisions Nintendo made months or perhaps even years before launch.
Nintendo's E3 showing certainly suggests a late launch what with them showing no games or controller or specs. I don't think that means they're going to be late. I truly think they held back on purpose to not reveal their "secrets". But I can see how a "we've got, um, a case design" E3 showing, in relation to Sony and MS actually showing stuff, can be interpreted as being behind. Gamespot's probably saying "not bogus" because they're jumping to conclusions about the E3 no-show.
Post by: Rhoq on May 27, 2005, 02:44:23 PM
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Nintendo's E3 showing certainly suggests a late launch what with them showing no games or controller or specs. I don't think that means they're going to be late. I truly think they held back on purpose to not reveal their "secrets". But I can see how a "we've got, um, a case design" E3 showing, in relation to Sony and MS actually showing stuff, can be interpreted as being behind. Gamespot's probably saying "not bogus" because they're jumping to conclusions about the E3 no-show.
Unfortuantely, what was written over at GameSpot makes a lot of sense. Miyamoto said in that IGN interview that Revolution development kits hadn't been sent out to, yet. Given that the amount of time it takes to develop a game is at least 18 months, if Nintendo were to send kits out within the next week or two - a 4Q2006 or the more likely 1Q2007 launch seems like the only option they have at this point. I also agree with you that if this is the case and the final Revolution specs make it weaker than both Microsoft's and Sony's consoles, Nintendo is fu*ked. Nobody will care.
Post by: HereticPB on May 27, 2005, 02:45:13 PM
HtPB
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2005, 02:52:14 PM
The specs thing though would really be a disaster. Weakest console coming out last? You couldn't try to think of a better way to turn people away. I'm concerned over the Rev specs but I'm going to at least wait until we know what they are.
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 27, 2005, 02:53:34 PM
This is all my post is a train wreck fault for pushing the Next generation systems b4 anyone was ready. I aint mad at Ninty at all cause they are just trying to do the right thing by taking there time and not launching with crappy tittles and lil online support if the rumors are even true.
Post by: Deguello on May 27, 2005, 02:56:32 PM
They don't talk about Nintendo much, not because they don't see them as a competitor (after the PSP got its hide tanned at E3, Sony BETTER consider Nintendo a competitor, a big one), but because Nintendo has not revealed everything yet.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2005, 02:56:52 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 27, 2005, 03:00:48 PM
Post by: Rhoq on May 27, 2005, 03:01:50 PM
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Well, since PS3 has no launch date either how can they say Rev is F---ed?
Sony has stated more than few times now that they are aiming for a "Spring 2006" launch. Spring is the 2nd Quarter (April, May and June). There are evern a few rumors suggesting they might launch as earlier as 4Q2005 to take the 360 head-on.
Nintendo should have revealed a little more about the revolution. The controller wasn't a must-see, but demo videos of software would have at least made people more aware. Instead they showed an empty black box, called it the "Revolution" said a few things about on-line (including the 20 years of downloadable Nintendo classics), backwards compatibilty with GameCube and mentioned that Super Smash Borther Online would be a launch title. The only other thing mentioned was that (big surprise) Mario, Zelda & Metroid games are in development for the Revolution. The only thing mentioned on the 3rd Party fornt was that Square-Enix was on board to bring a new Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals title to the Revolution.
Big deal. Microsoft & Sony had footage to show - whether it was actual in-game footage or not is debatable but they had something. All Nintendo showed was a brief FMV of Metroid Prime, which looked like it could have come from a 'Cube game. With the GameCube in 3rd place and Nintendo losing home console market share on a daily basis, they need to make their presence known. Media has all but dismissed Nintendo at this point. When you read stories about "the next generation" it seems that only PS3 and XBox360 are mentioned. That's not good for Ninty.
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 27, 2005, 03:04:02 PM
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LuWoo everytime you use a dollar sign for MS it posts "my post is a train wreck". That, well, turns you posts into train wrecks so you should probably stop doing that. I agree that MS moving everything forward a year is screwing things up.
Ah i c, i was wondering what was going on thanx, damned MS.
Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2005, 03:19:37 PM
Post by: Rhoq on May 27, 2005, 03:19:43 PM
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They don't talk about Nintendo much, not because they don't see them as a competitor (after the PSP got its hide tanned at E3, Sony BETTER consider Nintendo a competitor, a big one), but because Nintendo has not revealed everything yet.
While that might true as far as the handhelds are concerned (DS beat the PSP's ass at E3, hands down) - it has nothing to do with what's going on with the home consoles. Nintendo is in a tight spot. If the Revolution isn't something truly remarkable and worth all of the guarded secrecy, nobody is going to care when it's finally ready for retail.
Ian - I agree about it being absolutely necessary to have a strong line-up and no drought. If they can't deliver the games and be able to "wow" consumers with both hardware and software, then Nintendo will have sealed their fate.
Sony was able to convince many kids that Nintendo wasn't "cool" anymore when they beat the N64 with the PSOne.
Nintendo's family-friendly image didn't exactly help the GameCube (nor did the color "indigo") since many people associated it's small size and odd color as being for kids. Instead, everyone flocked to the PS2 and X-Box. The end result was the 'Cube coming in last place. Being the butt of numerous jokes. Nearly taking Nintendo out of everyone's proverbial equation whenever consoles are discussed outside of Nintendo-centric media outlets and last but not least - we lost a good majority of 3rd party support (either full or partial).
The Revolution is going to mean everyhting to Nintendo come it's launch. If it's unsuccessful, I don't think there will be a successor in the generation that will follow.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 27, 2005, 03:28:32 PM
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Should it go toe-to-toe with the PS3's launch date, or should it wait until the all-important holiday season to build up a critical mass of launch titles? An article in today's MCV indicates that the company has chosen the latter, as it quotes a "senior Nintendo source" as saying: "We’re currently looking at mirroring the DS strategy, so Revolution would release in the US first in November, closely followed by Japan--then we’re looking at March 2007 for PAL territories."
This doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
The DS was "simple" hardware, basically a GBA times two, which Nintendo was apparently fully comfortable with, and capable of producing in large quantities. Iwata set the Japanese launch late enough to get some good games ready, but early enough to catch Christmas. America would have to wait longer for the games. And probably miss Christmas. Reggie said "Screw that. Just gimme the hardware. Gimme it now." and the DS launched in America with pretty much just Mario 64DS and backwards compatibility.
Why would Nintendo "plan" on following that same of timeline? Down to the same months even? It was an averted disaster. Nintendo was damn lucky to have not lost the entire United States to Sony.
Sure, I could see it happening again in the same way, because the Rev is supposedly familiar hardware, basically a Cube times two. And Nintendo obviously always wants to catch Christmas, but they need time to get games ready. And if Iwata is Japan-focused, Reggie might just want the hardware again, since it's backwards-compatible, and it might even have the online download thing ready for launch.
But I just can't see Nintendo wanting to repeat history (not to meantion that they've have to be utterly dismissing the competition to think that they can repeat it), when they can obviously learn from it a refine/co-ordinate their strategy to do even better.
BTW, does anyone remember the first things we ever learned about the Rev? Iwata saying "PS2 had an advantage in that they had DVD. That won't happen again." Cough-blu-ray-cough.
And "The PS2 had an advantage in that it launched early. That won't happen again." Yeah, now it's both Sony and Microsoft launching before you. And you're the only one in the group who's not tempted to keep milking your current console, because it happens to be dead in the water.
Post by: jasonditz on May 27, 2005, 04:02:33 PM
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You guys are so melodramatic, geez...
Melodramatic? Maybe.
Real? Definitely.
Post by: mantidor on May 27, 2005, 04:43:06 PM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 27, 2005, 05:08:15 PM
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What makes you all people think that the ps3 its like ready to go? it has already been stated the chips arent even finalized. This is sony's marketing and hype playing with you, I wouldnt be surprised at all if the ps3 gets delayed or has an even crappier launch than the ps2. This is precisely the reason Nintendo didnt show any footage, they dont like to cheat and hype based on nothing, which is what sony did. Its sad that the industry doesnt akcnowledge Nintendo's honesty, but its even more sad that some of you, their fans, doesnt aknowledge that either.
I co-sign to that. I'm not going to believe this one unless it's straight from NInty.
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2005, 05:22:50 PM
I think it would be a better idea for Nintendo to NOT launch head to head with Sony. If the PS3 has been out for 6 months and the Revolution is as cool as it will be (=P) then launching third could be a good thing.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Nintendo has fans and will stay in business for the same reason Apple stayed in business (before the IPOD). You shouldn't get yourself worked up that you aren't going to see this dream head to head launch. Hell, if it launches head to head with the PS3, do you really think it stands a chance? Come on.
Post by: Pale on May 27, 2005, 05:26:55 PM
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You guys are so melodramatic, geez...
Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2005, 06:16:19 PM
Post by: mantidor on May 27, 2005, 06:25:18 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 27, 2005, 07:35:17 PM
If Nintendo had delayed the GC until they had a solid launch lineup of games, who knows how this would all have turned out?
I'm not so sure launching at the same time as the PS3 would be a good idea... the Rev would just get crushed under Sony's hype. I can see them positioning the Revolution as an actual next gen console and not just graphical upgrades like the PS3 and X360... this would also tie in neatly with the rumored Rev specs but I'm not letting myself believe those.
Post by: Mario on May 27, 2005, 08:02:58 PM
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If the Rev launches in November I think it would be fair to say the Revolution's f*cked.
That is very fair Ian! I think it would be more fair to wait and see how things pan out, but that wouldn't be a very fun thing to do on a message board.
- PS3 could launch in November as well
- Even if Nintendo are "planning" to release Revolution in November at this moment in time, they have a year to change their mind
- November would probably only be a few months later than PS3 anyway, no big deal
- Nintendo could have a game ready for the Revolution launch, WHENEVER that may be, that will shock the world and make people buy the console regardless of the marketing position of its launch
- Nobody KNOWS what Nintendo are planning, so it IS unfair to dismiss them as being doomed just because of the month they may or may not be launching their console (which also happens to be the second biggest month of the year, leading into the biggest month, the thing I'd be more worried about is shortages)
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I also agree with you that if this is the case and the final Revolution specs make it weaker than both Microsoft's and Sony's consoles, Nintendo is fu*ked. Nobody will care.
More like nobody will care about specs, I bet 99% of people won't be able to tell the difference between a Revolution game and a PS3 or Xbox 360 game graphically.
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The only thing now that could save Nintendo is Spaceworld in November.
Yes, only unvieling everything at THAT EXACT TIME, could Nintendo have a chance to get people interested in a console they won't be able to buy for a year!
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If Nintendo had delayed the GC until they had a solid launch lineup of games, who knows how this would all have turned out?
Like they did in Australia? We got over 20 games at launch, now GC has less than 1% market share.
(though that's mostly from other reasons =P)
Post by: Ian Sane on May 27, 2005, 09:09:52 PM
I don't think anyone is asking for that. We just think that significantly later could be very dangerous. Launching at the exact same time would be pretty dumb. I think a month or two before or after would be ideal. Before would be much better.
"Even if Nintendo are 'planning' to release Revolution in November at this moment in time, they have a year to change their mind"
No they don't. They can't just take a launch lineup that was aiming for November and move it up. The games are the real issue here. They're the inflexible part of the equation. Nintendo could move the Rev launch to spring 2006 but the f*ck load of good that would do without any games. We would get something like the DS launch lineup which miraculously didn't sink Nintendo's portable market. Sony overpricing the PSP is the only thing that saved Nintendo's ass with that one. The Rev could not survive that scenario. There's just no way.
"PS3 could launch in November as well"
That's entirely possible but Sony showed some real info at E3. That to me gives me confidence in their ability to launch in Spring 2006 like all the predictions say. Maybe they won't and they're full of crap but it's believable that Sony could launch on time. It takes blind faith to believe Nintendo will. Nintendo brought all this negative speculation on themselves with their E3 no-show. There's no real evidence to suggest to anyone but Nintendo fans that work on the Rev is going smoothly. Maybe it is. Maybe everything's cool. But there's nothing beyond gut feeling that suggests that which is why this November rumour is creating a stir.
Post by: Rocketsastrostexans on May 27, 2005, 09:29:41 PM
The Revolution will need to be on store shelves before 12/01/2006 (for the American launch).....if Nintendo can pull that off they will be ok.
I think this next generation is launching too early.......I hope I'm right.....we will find out soon enough.
Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2005, 10:15:54 PM
Then Microsoft starts hyping the Xbox-360 (which feels rushed by the way, like the DS felt rushed) and Sony got nervous and blurted out "Spring 2006!" Now Microsoft is scrambling and Sony is scrambling cause I'm guessing they got a lot of work to do before launch, and what should Nintendo do? Scramble as well? Miyamoto doesn't scramble.
In my opinion, it all depends on how well the Xbox 360 sells for Christmas this year (I'm betting MS will have a "shortage" to drive up hype and get mentioned on the news.) If it sells well, then the market is ready for Next Gen and Nintendo should worry. If it bombs, or is even Mediocre, then I bet Sony delays their spring '06 Launch and Nintendo can breathe a little easier.
Post by: MrMojoRising on May 27, 2005, 10:54:40 PM
However on the "glass is half empty" side, if people do dive right in to the next generation then Nintendo could very well be proverbially F'd in the A. But then again with the full glass there is some truth to what my friend from the south said (sorry again about the texas jokes in the other thread), "The Revolution will need to be on store shelves before 12/01/2006 (for the American launch).....if Nintendo can pull that off they will be ok."
Micro$oft...did it work...is my post a train wreck?
Post by: ThePerm on May 27, 2005, 11:04:06 PM
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Post by: Michael8983 on May 28, 2005, 01:48:48 AM
It's pretty clear that Sony isn't going to have the same type of advantage this generation it had in the previous which can only be good news for Nintendo. Even if Nintendo does come in third again, at least Sony won't be WAY out in front again. Things will at least be more evenly matched.
Of course the Japanese market is where things will really be shaken up. With the Xbox a non-factor and such a huge head-start over Nintendo, the PS2 basically monopolized the console market over there. Things will be different this time around. Even if Sony still wins, the Rev is bound to be more successful than the Gamecube in Japan which means more support from Japanese third-parties which will help it all over the world.
Post by: Mario on May 28, 2005, 02:56:59 AM
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I had hoped that the Revolution would be a Nintendo Revolution in that it widened it's gamer base to include the mature audience but it doesn't appear so.
What? Why not?
Post by: stevey on May 28, 2005, 05:41:29 AM
Didn't pgc say somewere a few weaks ago the the rev will come out in 2-3Q of 06
Sony BETTER consider Nintendo a competitor
no let them dreamcast the xbox 1.5 with there hyping legen of fan (xbox die-ing is good for nintendo so help it happen)
"honestly i think the time it takes to devlop a game is going to cut in half...with better graphics comes less and less the need to optimize. "
you can be more worge with better graphics it take one presone 4 week to make one charater game are going to take the some time to make as doom 3 halflive 2 (6 year). Plus ms and sony want to chrage $70 a game .
Post by: trip1eX on May 28, 2005, 07:08:02 AM
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Post by: Ian Sane on May 28, 2005, 08:55:48 PM
Man, what a downer. That's the sort of assumption that I think is what will eventually kill Nintendo. Fans don't react favourably to the realization that their team will never have a chance of winning the cup. When the Cube was first shown these forums were full of optimism. The general feeling early on was that by going with optical discs, and thus being on even ground with Sony, Nintendo was going to make a comeback. With Rev I'm seeing two feelings. The first one is that Nintendo can make a comeback but won't if they screw a bunch of stuff up. That's my general feeling. The second is the feeling that Nintendo is never going to be "back" ever again. Most people who have the second feeling seem to accept it. I guess they would have to or they wouldn't still be here.
Potential greatness is what builds hype and it helps sells consoles. Without that feeling that Nintendo can do better Nintendo has no momentum at all. Nintendo fans should have this attitude that Nintendo is going to come back and is going to kick ass. I'm not seeing that on this forum. I see concern of potential failure and acceptance of certain failure. The Rec can't succeed if Nintendo's fans are not confident in its future success. If Nintendo fans don't believe no one will. By the end of this year Nintendo has to get us all on the same wavelength. We must all be confident in the Revolution. Sorry to go off topic a bit there but I felt it was important to point out that "Nintendo is going to lose anyway" is not a good attitude.
"The day after Turkey day (in 2006) is 12/01/2006."
That's my 25th birthday. I was still a teenager when they Cube launched. Damn I feel like a geezer.
Post by: Deguello on May 28, 2005, 09:53:58 PM
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I'm not seeing that on this forum. I see concern of potential failure and acceptance of certain failure.
Ian, that's mostly just you.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 28, 2005, 09:58:37 PM
It's not that we accept failure... if the Rev doesn't have good games, I'm not buying it. But I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.
Post by: MrMojoRising on May 28, 2005, 10:42:14 PM
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"You Nintendo fanboys want Nintendo games by Nintendo... you guys will get exactly that. WHAT you won't get is first place or second place in the console wars.... AGAIN."
Man, what a downer. That's the sort of assumption that I think is what will eventually kill Nintendo. Fans don't react favourably to the realization that their team will never have a chance of winning the cup.
With the unpredictability in this world (the general world, and the video game world) I find it unwise to say so assuredly that Nintendo will never be in first or second place ever again. Remember, only a Sith deals in absolutes. I want Nintendo to do well but not too well...I honestly feel special having a system that's not the most popular, I know thats shallow or something but it's the truth. I would love it if Nintendo was in second place in the US behind the 360 and in second place in Japan behind PS3, and world-wide all of the consoles were fairly even...that would be awesome. I'm aware that's a pipe dream, but you know it would rock!
Oh and, "Nintendo doesn't have the bucks, it doesn't have the power, it doesn't have the games, it doesn't have the wider MATURE gamer fan base, etc." You were just talking about how they rake in profit...how don't they have the bucks? I think I speak for everyone on this board when I ask, how doesn't Nintendo have the games? and it doesn't have the wider mature gamer fan base yet...but we'll see how things go. Revolution seems like something of a Nintendo revolution to me: Fully online, sleek system, not purple. They came to play this generation. Plus fanbases are expanding, I think Nintendo is very friendly towards non-gamers, with familiar franchises and such. Maybe not towards the "cool" "hip-hop" non-gamers, but defineately female ones, and older (as in late thirties and beyond) people. Plus this group of twenty somethings that make up the main video game market are going to start having kids, and they just might start looking towards something more family friendly. If Nintendo can manage to dip enough into the "mature" market without brandishing it's family friendly image it could really take some names.
Post by: jasonditz on May 29, 2005, 07:15:59 AM
I mean, Resident Evil 4 and Eternal Darkness are nothing to sneeze at. Neither was marketed particularly well, but there's no question they were some of the better "mature" titles of this generation.
And sure, Mario hasn't shot a hooker yet. And he probably never well. And maybe that's a horrible shame, who knows.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2005, 09:05:32 PM
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The thing you need to realize Ian, is that there is a certain LARGE faction of the current gaming crop that will not buy a Nintendo console no matter what. These are the typs of people that, even if both Sony and MS pulled out of the console race they would just say "Video games suck now." Nintendo's only hope is that this faction shrinks, which will happen.... and my prediction is about the middle of the next generation.
Yeah, unless Reggie caps dem mofos!
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 30, 2005, 11:32:29 AM
Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?
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So...
Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?
I think they wanted to beat PS3 to the punch. The thing is the PS3 dosen't have a definate launch date yet soo......... who knows.
Post by: Caillan on May 30, 2005, 11:55:38 AM
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Anyone know what happened to Nintendo's crusade to "launch before the PS3"?
I seem to recall Iwata, in a recent interview, emphasising that it's important not to launch too late. Rather than emphasise that it's important to launch before the PS3. I personally don't think it matters too much as long Nintendo launches about two months or so of the PS3.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 30, 2005, 02:14:07 PM
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I was more asking why they aren't on that crusade anymore. A month ago, they were throwing the "before PS3" release date around like it was nothing, and now they've stopped talking, and we have no idea. Anybody know why it changed?
Possibly beacuse they had no idea when the PS3 was actually going to launch, hell for that matter no one still does yet. Nintendo probably had a set date for the system, and just didn't expect for Sony to try and steal some of the Xbox360's thunder by pushing for a closer release.
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Post by: couchmonkey on June 01, 2005, 06:19:58 AM
My personal beef with this is that the Cube is going to be long dead before November. Unlike the end of the Super NES and N64 lifespans, this time I actually have the money to buy two consoles, so why shouldn't I buy an Xbox 360 if Nintendo is barely offering me any new games for 11 months? I'm a patient guy so I probably won't buy another system, but a lot of other Nintendo fans must be tired of this routine too, and not everyone is willing to replay old or missed games all year.
I was really excited back when Nintendo was talking about matching or beating the PS3 launch. I thought it was nice to finally see Nintendo taking some serious initiative to compete, instead of releasing its system last for the fourth generation in a row. I think Iwata was right when he said that always launching systems late has cost Nintendo. Even if Xbox 360 remains underwhelming, it will have a significant lead on the Revolution by the time it comes out, and that lead will only grow as Nintendo delays the system.
Of course quality games should be the first priority, and if that means waiting until November, then so be it; I was just hoping that Nintendo was prepared to do a little better than that with the Revolution.
Post by: Plugabugz on June 01, 2005, 08:00:52 AM
If that's the case they should not bother launching in Europe entirely.
Post by: jasonditz on June 01, 2005, 08:14:06 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 01, 2005, 08:58:48 AM
Anyway, that's from a source other than Nintendo so take it with a grain of salt.
Post by: Spak-Spang on June 01, 2005, 09:16:22 AM
I also have doubts that Sony will be able to launch during the time frame they are expecting 1st QTR 2006. I would be shocked if its released 2nd QTR 2006 personally.
This is all now a just wait and see.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 01, 2005, 09:32:34 AM
Imagine if the Rev launched with that slim of a lineup and then followed it up with a drought. It would be dead. There's no way around that. Nintendo launched first with the DS, had the advantage that they came in the market leader so people were willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and lucked out in that the competition goofed up. They're not launching first with the Rev no matter what, even if they beat Sony to the market, and they're launching from last place. People are writing Nintendo off. They couldn't do anything even remotely like the DS launch and expect to be taken seriously.
In a way the DS not getting creamed by the PSP is bad thing. Had they been hurt by their incredibly sh!tty DS launch they might have learned something. Because things turned out okay they might think the DS launch is a good template to follow.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 01, 2005, 09:33:49 AM
If Nintendo isn't far enough in development on its games, moving the Revolution launch up by a few months simply can't be done without sacrificing the quality of the games. Of course, for all we know, Nintendo has been prepared for this all along. Long before this E3, it seemed logical to me that Sony might try launch earlier in 2006, what with Microsoft launching this year. Based on that, if I were Nintendo, I would have prepared to launch well before the holiday season if necessary.
Edit: Ian - I think the difference between the DS launch and the Revolution launch is that Nintendo purposely rushed the DS to get a head-start on Sony. I'm pretty sure that Nintendo consciously used that strategy, and I don't see think they'll be rushed on Revolution unless they really were planning to launch at the end of 2006 and they change that to compete with Sony.
Post by: jasonditz on June 01, 2005, 10:09:58 AM
You were predicting the DS as doomed from the start, then despite making all the horrible mistakes you pointed out, any one of which was supposed to be completely fatal, its still doing great. Now you're saying it was just a case on Nintendo getting lucky.
You're going to be doing the same thing with the Rev until the day it launches, and probably for several years afterward. They could launch the thing tomorrow, have insane specs that kill the PS3, costs $99 retail, uses PS2 controllers, and comes only in Gun Metal Grey, and unless it launched with GTA4 and Resident Evil 5, AND promised that they wouldn't release any First Party titles based on existing licenses or rated younger than T for Teen for at least a year you'd still be on about how no one is taking them seriously.
Post by: Ian Sane on June 01, 2005, 10:16:35 AM
Bullsh!t. Everywhere you see "PS3 vs Xbox 360". Nintendo is barely mentioned in regards to any media coverage or discussion regarding this upcoming generation. Often third parties even refer to only Sony and MS. Both Sony and MS don't even consider Nintendo any sort of threat and have said so. Nintendo is being largely ignored outside of the hardcore gaming crowd.
Post by: PaLaDiN on June 01, 2005, 10:23:27 AM
To be fair, it's because there's nothing to discuss yet.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on June 01, 2005, 10:25:04 AM
If it's just PS3 vs 360, then let them. We're still having fun aren't we? We're above and beyond that time (when it was SNES vs Genesis, no one counted the Neo Geo) and soon enough they will realize that too that both of the systems look the same.
Also I find it very ridiculous when people say "Link can SO kick Master Cheif's ass" or vice versa. It's childish. This is why Smash Bros was invented so that way you can actually prove that Mario is better than Link, or in my circle of buddies, my Puff dominates the world.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 01, 2005, 10:25:31 AM
Think about it....Some "official" source says Nintendo is going the DS route. People over at Sony are having a ball because now they can relax a little bit more. There probably thinking that they should launch later in the year, but still before Nintendo. Sony then announces their launch date, then BAM! Nintendo official states its release which is months before Sony's.
Of course, this could only work if Sony decided to launch Q3-Q4....any earlier and Nintendo could have a tough time keeping there word me thinks.
Nintendo should be planning a Q2 launch....Right after E3 06'
Post by: jasonditz on June 01, 2005, 10:34:04 AM
Post by: Arbok on June 01, 2005, 10:39:09 AM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
Think about it....Some "official" source says Nintendo is going the DS route. People over at Sony are having a ball because now they can relax a little bit more. There probably thinking that they should launch later in the year, but still before Nintendo. Sony then announces their launch date, then BAM! Nintendo official states its release which is months before Sony's.
The problem is that Sony looks to be trying to combat the Xbox360, so I don't think Nintendo's release date will actually have much of a impact on Sony's plans on when to release the PS3.
Post by: couchmonkey on June 01, 2005, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: Pittbboi on June 01, 2005, 03:23:29 PM
Post by: ThePerm on June 01, 2005, 03:44:48 PM
Post by: jasonditz on June 01, 2005, 03:51:32 PM
By my way of thinking, Nintendo did great, Sony did decently, and Microsoft did horribly. In the 16-bit generation, Sega and Nintendo both did incredibly well, NEC and Atari did poorly.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 01, 2005, 06:43:00 PM
Nintendo doesn't want that to happen (again) with the Revolution, and the main problem some of the people have on these boards with that is it's not doing what it needs to do to realize its own goals. Nintendo wants to capture more of the market and more third party support this time around. Well, it's not going to be able to do that (or it's going to be a lot harder to do that), if they launch dead last behind two popular consoles.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on June 01, 2005, 07:17:52 PM
Also, my best friend, another long time PS and PS2 owner, says that he will get the Revolution before the PS3. Why? PRICE! We ALL know the Rev's price will be lower than PS3, and on a microcosm, it's helping.
As long as they don't release TERRIBLY late, (say 4-5 months or more) they should be fine.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 02, 2005, 06:42:23 AM
booom. i'm done.
Post by: jasonditz on June 02, 2005, 07:40:58 AM
They got Square back on board if nothing else... that seems to outweigh anything they might have lost (though even the losses escape me).
Post by: couchmonkey on June 02, 2005, 09:31:13 AM
I'm not crazy about Nintendo coming in first, but I am crazy about it not continuing to lose market share, because that costs Nintendo third party support and makes it harder to find Nintendo products. If Revolution can match the GameCube, I'll be reasonably happy.
Post by: Pittbboi on June 02, 2005, 10:24:53 AM
They did get Square back on board, I'll give them that much. But until Square puts a bona fide RPG on the console, most people won't give FF:CC the time of day (again).
Post by: Ian Sane on June 02, 2005, 10:24:59 AM
Nintendo has lost Cube support but it's not like when the N64 ended they had tons of supporters and now they have none. They pretty much went from none to none.
Post by: vudu on June 02, 2005, 11:07:06 AM
Post by: jasonditz on June 02, 2005, 11:09:32 AM
And we know Square's on board for FF:CC if nothing else. The way they've been raving about the rev, it seems likely it might be more than just that... but who knows.
Either way, most of the best Rev titles will undoubtedly be 1st party...
Post by: Don'tHate742 on June 02, 2005, 11:37:02 AM
Everyone knows Nintendo has amazing third-party support for their handheld.....why can't they use that in their favor? I've already said it before....GBA connectivity was crap....it was more of a bonus rather than any sort of innovation. However, it really only sucked because it's complexity. You need a Cube with the proper game, a GBA and the proper game, then a link cable. Their are too many pre-requisites (sp?).
What if Nintendo simplified the whole process? They've been talking about how simplicity is key, so why not apply that to everything (even the console it seems like).
What if the DS could talk to the REV? Let's say you download a game to your REV. Any game that was made before the Cube will work for the DS. It would be a very logical step if Nintendo allowed the DS to access the REV's game library, and transport a game or two. This would be a major incentive to those who have a DS and want a console. The DS would have access to years of games on par or better than those coming out for it.
This prospect could be taken to the next level. Those who have older games on their DS could play multiplayer through WiFi against DS and REV opponents....all hassle free (due to an epicable emulator). Those who have games on their DS could transfer those games to other DS's and REV's other than their own. That would make it much easier to play multiplayer since everyone (I assume) would need a copy of their own. These old games could be played online (again due to an epicable emulator) by either the REV or the DS, or even together if a DS is near a REV console.
Connectivity could be used by REV games in the same way it was used with the Cube, only this time all you need is a DS (rather than a GBA, game, and link cable). It would be simple and hassle free. And unlike the Cube, single-player games could have a "navigator" and allow for some fun yet gimmicky things through the DS's touchscreen.
Nobody would denie the DS/REV connection has alot of potential, and if brought out full-steam by Nintendo, many DS fans WOULD become REV fans. Add a 100+ AAA games to your DS collection now by buying a REV today! ----- Hell I'd do it....
Nintendo has always tried to make handheld owners console owners, and if they succeed (through this plan) third-party support will shift towards the REV no question about it.
