Post by: Caterkiller on May 17, 2005, 10:53:58 AM
-Play as Mario or Luigi
-Play 2 player co-op (not alternating like in the old days)
-Mushrooms, Fire Flowers and Stars all did what they use to.
-able to do some of the 3D Mario moves like jumping off of walls.
-Use both character to do special moves. (I just noticed Mario jumped off of Luigi's head and it gave him an extra boost, but there might be more)
-Stages resemble that of Super Mario Bros 1, 3, World, and Yoshi's Island.
-Circle formation stars return as check points and end of the level flag sliding is back.
I don't know about any of you but a 2D, simultanius, co-op Mario game has been what I have been dying for since SNES days. The game looks just as fun as the classics but with a bit of a modern look. The only thing it needs is about a jillion and one levels just like every 2D Mario befor it.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 11:14:33 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 18, 2005, 07:33:43 AM
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Post by: Chode2234 on May 18, 2005, 09:27:28 AM
Post by: NRevolutionR on May 18, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
My opinion is that these two games will be what puts the DS over the top here in the US.
Also, does anyone know how to get/insert one of those picto icons into my name area?
Post by: Artimus on May 18, 2005, 10:20:47 AM
I can't wait to hear some hands-on impressions. I just really hope they have let their imaginations go wild
Post by: Caterkiller on May 18, 2005, 07:44:44 PM
Post by: Blackknight131 on May 20, 2005, 03:23:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Chode2234
I hope the jumping isn't as clumsey as it looks in the vids. I hated the way mario jumped in mario vs. donkey kong, and I hope it is much more similar to smb3 or any of the other mario games (except 2).
Fear not =)
Been reading some hands-on impressions (ALL of them excited) and the game actually moves quite quickly and smoothly. Jumping even has elements of the 3d Marios seamlessly brought into this 2D platforming world, like the triple jump.
I wouldnt worry about the controls, but Ian Sane has a legitimate one with the length of the game. We all know its going to be good, but hopefully the game will make a full return to the old-school length of the Mario games as well. I would expect nothing less from a game bearing the legendary "Super Mario World" moniker.
(altho truth be told, I always cheated in Mario 3 and 4 with Warps and the Star Road, respectively, eheheh ^ ^: )
Post by: Artimus on May 20, 2005, 05:34:16 PM
Post by: Savior on May 20, 2005, 06:21:06 PM
Post by: Arbok on May 20, 2005, 06:25:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Savior
Im actually disapointed cause the bottom screen isnt used ala Sonic Rush to make a giant scren.. its just to pick powerups. Ill still buy it though
I'm very happy about that, if you have played Yoshi's Touch and Go you will see that the idea of "moving between the screens" is very cubersome as they aren't placed directly next to each other but there is actually a sizeable gap between the two.
Post by: ABlueflameA on May 20, 2005, 10:54:12 PM
-Blueflame
Post by: nemo_83 on May 21, 2005, 12:46:53 AM
I have always thought it would work better if you just kept getting regular powerups, stacking them on top of each other. You could have any number of combinations. Or you could just gather three or four regular mushrooms until you are huge. I like the way he gets huge in the new game, but the huge mushroom looks a little out of place. I hope this the direction they take the REV Mario Bros.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 21, 2005, 06:04:12 AM
Post by: Caterkiller on May 21, 2005, 02:41:17 PM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 22, 2005, 12:58:47 AM
Post by: Bartman3010 on May 22, 2005, 06:12:28 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2005, 06:33:18 AM
Mainly because I'm just happy it has a new multiplayer game period...
Post by: Mario on May 22, 2005, 06:59:15 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2005, 07:29:24 AM
Post by: Mario on May 22, 2005, 07:54:17 AM
They'd have to design entirely new levels dedicated to co-op alone to include that feature, which I don't think would be worth it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 22, 2005, 09:29:40 AM
And no you wouldn't have to make dedicated co-op levels...Look at a game like Gunstar Heroes, where co-op just threw another player into the mix, with no change in level design...
Post by: Ian Sane on May 23, 2005, 12:33:10 PM
Post by: thepoga on May 23, 2005, 05:04:41 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
How would it *not* work? You just have two players going through the same level trying to make it to the end...
Well, what would happen when one guy reaches the end but the other doesnt? He just waits? And you can't work together that well besides dividing which enemies to kill. But even then, one person is going to be faster than the other and get most of the enemies. Games like these are meant to be played one player or verses.
Post by: nemo_83 on June 08, 2005, 01:27:29 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 08, 2005, 02:50:29 AM
Post by: ABlueflameA on June 08, 2005, 04:03:56 AM
I wouldn't really call Sonic or Mario "linear".
-Blueflame
Post by: vudu on January 23, 2006, 09:11:28 AM
Anyway, GameStop has some box art for the game. Anyone know if this is official or if it's just a temp? Is the game really going to be called New Super Mario Bros? Craptacular.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2006, 09:59:20 AM
Post by: toad on January 23, 2006, 10:30:00 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 23, 2006, 11:05:02 AM
I do hope the name of the game is changed. Anything with "new" in the title sounds dated like two days after it comes out. Plus we all hope this will be a classic game people will talk about for years and "New Super Mario Bros" would be an awkward name to reference ten years from now. People would probably confuse it with whatever the newest Mario game is and we'd have Final Fantasy III like disclaimers every time the topic came up.
Post by: toad on January 23, 2006, 11:09:45 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 23, 2006, 11:25:13 AM
That's a big problem that comes up with sequels. There's this real pressure to put in all sorts of great stuff from past games that the fans want. But the fans don't actually "get" what they really want. Yeah they like that old item or boss or level or whatever but what they really liked about it was that it was new and creative. So what they REALLY want is something as new and creative or at the very least that's what will really satisify them even if they don't think so. Rehashing a bunch of old stuff isn't a real sequel. It's just a nostalgia trip like when old bands go on tours and just play a live greatest hits set.
I'm a Mario fan because each Mario game was significantly different from the others while still having some familiarity. Each sequel was essentially. You had to play it because it had stuff the earlier games didn't have and stuff the later games wouldn't have either. New Super Mario Bros should be like that.
Post by: Artimus on January 23, 2006, 12:53:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2006, 03:07:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
In a way instead of Yoshi I would rather have what made Yoshi cool in the first place. When Super Mario World came out the appeal wasn't the fact that Yoshi was in it. It was the fact that there was this cool new power-up that let us do stuff we couldn't before. It's that same novelty that made all the suits in Super Mario Bros 3 cool. So I want a new power-up that gives me that same "wow this is neato" feel that Super Mario World did.
New item for SMB
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 23, 2006, 04:47:02 PM
Other than that I already have my copy of New Super Mario Bros on pre-order, even though that the last mario game, Sunshine and the last one on SNES, Yoshi's Island I hated both.
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 23, 2006, 04:51:28 PM
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Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 23, 2006, 05:05:16 PM
)I just didn't like Sunshine and Yoshi's Island. I actually like Yoshi's Story better than Yoshi's Island, and that was a bastardization of a game.
I didn't like Sunshine for a single reason, the secret levels should have been optional anot required, they threw off the pace of the game and required you to play it differently and you had to adjust or you couldn't finish the game. At least in Super Mario 64 you could finish the game without getting all the stars in all the levels, or even a certain nummber in each level like in Sunshine, because the secret levels were required to advance the story. I could deal with the camera, that was nothing.
Post by: Artimus on January 23, 2006, 05:35:19 PM
And that shell thing is so awesome. I want this game so much!
Post by: IceCold on January 23, 2006, 06:43:58 PM
QuoteGimmick. Just like the Rev controller.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's that same novelty that made all the suits in Super Mario Bros 3 cool. So I want a new power-up that gives me that same "wow this is neato" feel that Super Mario World did.
And seeing Bill's picture again reminded me that I shouldn't step into any NSMB thread until I get my hands on it; actually, I shouldn't have read this one.. This game, if there ever was one, deserved not to be spoiled..
QuoteOhh, now you've done it!
Originally posted by: nitsu niflheim
Yoshi's Island I hated both.
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Yoshi's Island. I actually like Yoshi's Story better than Yoshi's Island, and that was a bastardization of a game.
Post by: Mario on January 23, 2006, 07:00:58 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuotegimmick. Just like the Rev controller.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
It's that same novelty that made all the suits in Super Mario Bros 3 cool. So I want a new power-up that gives me that same "wow this is neato" feel that Super Mario World did.
Exactly! Apparently, back then these additions were "neato", if they tried it now though it would be a gimmick that destroys Nintendo and makes the world burst into flames.
I think this game is still looking pretty terrible (the 3D look sucks), but then i've never been too much of a fan of 2D Super Mario Bros games (I like Mario for the gimmick games like Mario Tennis and Mario Kart, and Super Mario 64 which nobody can not love). Super Mario World bores me to tears, I like Super Mario Bros 3 quite a bit more, and then Yoshi's Island is better than the rest combined. There's my crappy opinion!
This game will flop.
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 23, 2006, 08:28:39 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2006, 01:58:52 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 24, 2006, 06:49:29 AM
How can anyone hate Yoshi's Island? Man that game is the best! Though I do personally like Super Mario World better.
That pic Bill posted was pretty "wow neato" though I probably would have liked that linked to so I could avoid the spoiler. Imbedded pics are pretty new so I just assumed if I avoided all links I could avoid spoilers.
"Exactly! Apparently, back then these additions were 'neato', if they tried it now though it would be a gimmick that destroys Nintendo and makes the world burst into flames."
I think there's a subtle difference between a cool feature and a gimmick. A cool feature compliments a great game. A gimmick is something thrown in to attract attention to something that doesn't have enough merit on it's own to attract that kind of attention. I see the Super Mario Sunshine waterpack and Mario Kart: Double Dash two player carts as gimmicks because the games were actually pretty weak and the new featured seemed very forced, like they were designed to make us think these were innovative games. The forced nature I think is what really makes it a gimmick. Innovation isn't forced. You don't sit down and say "I'm going to innovate". True innovation is natural. It just happens as one tries to make a great game. Yoshi seems to have come from Miyamoto planning the game out and saying "hey what if we did this?" Something like the Rev controller to me looks like Iwata told someone "make something innovative" and they all had a meeting to think of something.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 24, 2006, 07:56:57 AM
A sparkling innovation is something thrown in to attract attention to something that doesn't have enough merit on it's own to attract that kind of attention. I see the Super Mario Sunshine waterpack and Mario Kart: Double Dash two player carts as sparkling innovations because the games were actually pretty weak and the new featured seemed very forced, like they were designed to make us think these were innovative games.
This is just hogwash...The waterpack was an excellent addition that complimented and IMPROVED the level of platforming in the game...Double Dash added strategy in terms of which characters were best to use on each track...
Post by: ShyGuy on January 24, 2006, 08:01:51 AM
Post by: toad on January 24, 2006, 08:11:26 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 24, 2006, 08:12:48 AM
Mario Kart Double Dash was a great game, and the development of two carts, I can assure you, was approached as "How can we add to this game to make it better?" and not "How can we deceive people into thinking this game is better?"
Personally, I love MK: DD, probably more than the 64 version (which only surpasses it in battle mode), and my friends have played countless, insanely fun hours of Baby Park. And occasionally cup races
Post by: Ian Sane on January 24, 2006, 08:30:45 AM
I don't think they intentionally want to deceive. I think the thought process is more "what can we add to make this game stand out compared to the other games in the series?" That's quite deliberate. "We're expected to innovate so let's do it." I think that approach hurts games. You can't try to be creative or innovative. It just has to kind of happen. As you make the game and address problems in the design or fix things that didn't work out last time around the ideas should come to you. The deliberate innovation seems like a marketing decision; something designed to help the game sell. The natural innovation occurs when the idea is just to make a great game.
I can't say for sure what the approach to the water pack was but to me it just screamed "Look! We're being innovative!" It's hard to explain but sometimes something just seems so deliberate and forced to me.
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2006, 08:31:39 AM
QuoteActually, I remember when that pic was first put on the Internet and you stated in a thread that you were going to avoid it because you didn't want to see any spoilers. Bill is a naughty boy.
That pic Bill posted was pretty "wow neato" though I probably would have liked that linked to so I could avoid the spoiler. Imbedded pics are pretty new so I just assumed if I avoided all links I could avoid spoilers.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2006, 08:57:52 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 24, 2006, 10:30:23 AM
I know. I hate it when they make sequels like that.
It's really hard to explain what I mean. With Super Mario Sunshine it felt like they ran out of ideas. With other sequels usually there are ideas that didn't make the cut because of time restraints or the technology couldn't pull it off. And then there are fixes to stuff that don't go over well and new conventions that related games have introduced that would make a good fit. And there's new "wouldn't this be cool" ideas. The waterpack to me didn't seem like it spawned out of any of those. It really seemed to me that Nintendo drew a blank regarding new ideas and then sat down to deliberately think of one. Like the goal wasn't to add a cool new feature or improve the game but rather just to throw something new in there to justify making the game in the first place. Double Dash seemed the same way.
It very likely is just when a new idea takes off it seems to be effortless and when it doesn't work too well it seems forced.
Mario Kart DS to me seems like a far more natural sequel. Aside from adding the no-brainer addition of online play they also added that single player challenge mode and combined new tracks with a greatest hits lineup. It's not a straight cookie cutter job but it's not a complete overhaul either. It comes across more as an attempt to just make the best Mario Kart game they could while Double Dash seemed like a really deliberate attempt to change things for no reason.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 24, 2006, 11:06:13 AM
In-the-same-room multiplayer always increases a game's fun factor several fold. How else can you explain the appeal of Halo?
Post by: Jensen on January 24, 2006, 12:54:59 PM
D. It complicates the game without adding much to it. I'd rather have tougher, more complicated tracks. I'd play MK
S more if it didn't give me hand cramps.I like the water pack in SMS. What I didn't like about it is its themes. I like the traditional Water, Fire, Ice, Big/Tiny, Desert and Ghosthouse themes. (one reason I prefer the original Metroid Prime) The enemies and other characters are mostly new... It didn't really have to be a Mario game, it could have used a new main character. Getting Shines is more of a chore than getting stars in Mario 64
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 24, 2006, 01:10:30 PM
"You can't try to be creative or innovative. It just has to kind of happen."
Totally not the way it is, especially when you've got things like deadlines. A lot of things do come naturally, and a lot of things don't. Who's to say that the two kart features didn't come naturally? The creative process is a combination of lots of natural talent & inspiration and lots of hard work.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2006, 10:10:25 PM
I suppose so but would you have been happier if Nintendo just said "We can't think of anything worthwile to make a new Mario game so the Gamecube will have to go without one"?
Post by: couchmonkey on January 25, 2006, 04:56:07 AM
Super Mario Sunshine, though, I totally disagree on the "they ran out of ideas" thing. I really believe Nintendo could have crammed a dozen more ideas into that game, but ran out of time - that's why it had some repetitive goals and tons of coin collecting. Case in point: you can't swim with Yoshi. Do you really think Nintendo left that out on purpose? I say no way...Nintendo would have implemented swimming with Yoshi if it had time. I think Nintendo was running out of time and felt pressure to live up to the 120 stars from Super Mario 64, so dealt with it by throwing in tons of coins and some repetitive objectives.
The game's design was also more deliberate than Super Mario 64. In SM64 there are stars just lying around in plain sight and all you had to do was figure out how to reach them, in Super Mario Sunshine most Shines involve some story or scenario (Petey's sleeping on the hill, there's firey goo everywhere, buddy is running a Blooper Surfing competition, etc.) so Nintendo had to put more effort into coming up with scenarios. In hindsight, that may have been a mistake, although I thought it made for a more action-oriented experience.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 25, 2006, 06:48:02 AM
That's tricky. From a business perspective they had to release a new Mario. Everyone expected them too. If I was in that situation and couldn't think of some good new ideas I'd probably go for something a little more cookie cutter but would put so much effort into it that it would be the best cookie cutter sequel ever. It is a tough call to make. I imagine someday though there would be a point where Mario really is done and finished and Nintendo just can't make a new game. The ideal thing I suppose is to not announce the new Mario game until you're sure you have a good idea to work with. And don't rely on a sequel to be the killer app for your console just in case you do run out of ideas. Nintendo kind of put the Cube in a situation where Super Mario Sunshine absolutely had to deliver and blow everyone away.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 25, 2006, 07:40:59 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2006, 08:57:16 AM
Same here. In fact I think I liked SMS a bit better but neither of them came close to the 2d Mario games. SMS started out great but after 25 shines or so it became unbearably boring (M64 stayed consistently fairly uninteresting). I played until I beat Bowser and shelved the game.
Post by: ShyGuy on January 25, 2006, 09:27:38 AM
Post by: Jensen on January 25, 2006, 01:59:57 PM
I don't understand Ian, though... Nintendo releases a new idea/feature, and that is a sign that they are out of ideas? Or did you think the Waterpack is a Bad Idea, and they just used that because they didn't have any Good Ideas left? I though it was a great addition. All the Mario games have been quite different from each other, except for SMB1 and SMB2 in Japan.
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 25, 2006, 03:09:57 PM
Post by: Mario on January 25, 2006, 03:34:58 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 26, 2006, 04:00:20 AM
Eh, now we're getting down to the personal opinions section. I thought the level design was great (albeit not enough). But one thing I can totally agree on is that the waterpack was not the problem with the game.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 26, 2006, 05:02:23 AM
Just about every Mario game, that I am aware of, all the way back to Super Mario Bros. on the NES allowed to to skip a head and all that and completely bypass levels you didn't want to play if you didn't, but Sunshine took that away, you had to play the game a certain way or you couldn't beat it. I just don't agree with that, especially after the way the previous Mario games were presented.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 26, 2006, 05:31:28 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 26, 2006, 06:33:01 AM
People have problems with Ocarina of Time's camera? I thought that was one of the best cameras ever made. Only Wind Waker is better. Maybe other people play Zelda in a different way then I do but I never had problems with the camera in that game even once. Meanwhile I've died because of camera issues in every 3D platformer I've ever played.
"I don't understand Ian, though... Nintendo releases a new idea/feature, and that is a sign that they are out of ideas?"
It just seemed forced to me. It just seemed like such a deliberate attempt to be innovative. In my experience forced ideas are usually the result of a lack of anything else. I don't think they would have had such a forced feature if they weren't short on ideas. I agree that Sunshine's problems are more a result of other design flaws but a lot of them are related to the waterpack. I hated the paint cleaning levels and those wouldn't have been in there if it wasn't for the waterpack. The island theme probably wouldn't have happened without the waterpack either.
Post by: IceCold on January 26, 2006, 09:21:11 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 26, 2006, 10:16:43 AM
Right on.
Also the level design was fine, there just weren't enough of them.
I'm also with Mario on the camera, though it did bother me immensely at some points.
Overall, I'd say I preferred Mario 64, but I certainly like SMS quite a lot, too.
Post by: Artimus on January 26, 2006, 11:20:33 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on January 26, 2006, 02:56:58 PM
a) You were supposed to control it; it wasn't automatic.
b) Pachinko machine. The one you get into by jumping upwards into the hole from the boat.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 27, 2006, 05:38:06 AM
Back on the topic of SMB DS, I hope they've got the map screens back. I'd also like to see a cameo by the Koopa Kids...not necessarily 7 individual bosses, because I think Nintendo can do more with brand-new boss designs, but maybe they could form one super boss, or they could be mini-bosses. I hope the game is long, too. It seems like Nintendo hasn't released a really long 2D platformer since Yoshi's Island and the DKC games. I guess Mario vs. Donkey Kong was pretty long, but the levels are puny, too.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 27, 2006, 06:20:45 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on January 27, 2006, 09:33:43 AM
Post by: ShyGuy on January 27, 2006, 10:00:23 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 27, 2006, 04:46:06 PM
I loved Yoshi in Super Mario Sunshine. He's just so fun to screw around with. Useless, yeah. But it's just so fun (that's the only appeal GTA has, the levels are mediocre and the missions are often overly-difficult or overly-easy, but it's just so fun to mess around)!
Post by: KDR_11k on January 27, 2006, 08:17:12 PM
Dedede: The camera likes to move around when you make sharp turns and if that sharp turn was while moving along a narrow path you fall off. There's one secret where you have to run along a path of dissolving blocks, which means no time to reposition the camera.
Post by: Mr Bloober on January 28, 2006, 06:51:18 PM
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If you had the Koopa kids piloting some big machines you could have all forms of bosses...
Yeah, they did that quite well in that Yoshi shooting game, whatever it was called.
And, they had mechs in Luigi's Mansion...? Refresh my memory.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 30, 2006, 06:30:30 AM
In Wind Waker you're not expected to control the camera during intense moments. When you're fighting you z-target and everything's cool. If you can't see where you're going just push a button and the camera is instantly behind you. No getting stuck on items, no slow pan, just behind you right when you want it. You have the option to have complete control of the camera but it is never really required. I only used it in situation where I wanted a better view of the scenery.
In Super Mario Sunshine you are required to control the camera at all times. It doesn't matter if you're just walking around or if you're running on a rotating platform. You're for some reason expected to move the damn C-stick at the same time you're pushing the A button to jump. It's a completely illogical design and the game is made considerably harder for no reason because of it. In reality it's like controlling two character at once. Hell they even treat it like the camera man is a person. He gets stuck on things and can't see perfect through walls and stuff like that.
I don't know why every game doesn't use Zelda's method. I can't see. Okay I'll just push this button and now I can. It's so f*cking simple. I think the problem is they always get hung up on the idea of it being a camera and thus for some reason it has to maneuver through areas. It's not a camera. It's the omnipotent vision of the player and thus it can teleport and see through walls and do whatever it wants.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 30, 2006, 06:47:01 AM
A problem with going through walls is that it could be abused to go through scenery and see things you're not supposed to see. Testing for visibility fails as well since that's done with BSP trees and those fail if you move into solid matter.
Post by: animecyberrat on January 30, 2006, 06:58:27 PM
Post by: ABlueflameA on January 30, 2006, 06:59:36 PM
Let the waiting commence....
Post by: couchmonkey on February 01, 2006, 05:36:21 AM
Either way I agree that Zelda's camera system is great, but I was surprised to discover just how much Wind Waker improved the system for me.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 01, 2006, 06:17:32 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 01, 2006, 07:12:00 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 01, 2006, 09:09:29 AM
But back on the 2D Mario front, I just checked out the latest screens for Super Princess Peach on Nintendo.com and I'm stoked! I haven't seen so much classic Mario stuff crammed into a few screenshots since Paper Mario...Paratroopas, Firebars, Banzai Bill, donut lifts...I may have to buy this game on launch day. And I need Chibi Robo too! Must find money before Feb. 27th...
Post by: IceCold on February 01, 2006, 01:40:08 PM
QuoteAh, no wonder..
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Yeah, well, I played Windwaker first so the lack of the c-stick was even worse for me.
Post by: IceCold on February 01, 2006, 01:53:42 PM
QuoteSorry about double post..
Originally posted by: Hostile Creation
I consistently argue that Wind Waker is superior to the N64 games, at least as far as raw gameplay goes. I play OoT and MM now and it's like trying to play SSB, it just feels so sluggish and dull in comparison.
Anyway, Hostile, OoT was designed so that the combat would be quite strategic and slow-paced, whereas in Wind Waker it was more hack 'n slash and fast-paced. The combat systems reflected the differences in the mood, atmosphere and every thing about the two games. TP will probably be more similar to OoT; I think Aonouma said that you would "feel the weight of the sword" or something like that.
However, I too enjoyed Wind Waker's combat system. It was simply brilliant in some areas - and it was just fun to beat up enemies. The parry was an excellent addition, but it was a bit too easy to pull off. And finally, the weapons were great - how they handled changing the bow to fire and ice was so simple, yet so effective..
Post by: Hostile Creation on February 01, 2006, 10:25:56 PM
I'm hoping Twilight Princess will mix Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time well, having the slow-paced, Germanic style of swordplay with the fluidity and speed that Gamecube is obviously capable of delivering.
Post by: Ian Sane on February 02, 2006, 06:16:51 AM
Post by: Requiem on February 02, 2006, 08:03:58 AM
Iron Knuckles should definitely make a return. Fighting two at the same time in Ganondorf's castle[/spolier] was probably my favorite non-boss fight in the game. It's craziness. Its basically like fighting one, but it's two times as fast. If you didn't have the Goron sword it took a while.
Oh ya, and fighting those Gerudo's guards was fun as well.
I saw the WW fighting style far too easy. I did like how you could pick other people's weapons up, but overall, I never felt in danger. I wish the parry was harder to do.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2006, 06:55:57 AM
New Mario Brothers Scan!
Showcases new enemies and environments, so beware if you are spoiler sensitive...
Post by: KDR_11k on February 09, 2006, 08:20:42 AM
Either way, 2d Mario is superior to 3d Zelda or 3d Mario. I hope the added moves don't overcomplicate the game and that it's not as awfully easy as Yoshi's Island.
Post by: Ages on February 09, 2006, 10:27:34 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I didn't like fighting in OOT, mostly because you're supposed to just know how it works (first enemy that requires use of the system is a Stalfos) and you're required to block attacks. I just can't press the block button fast enough for that, no matter what. The time window you have is shorter than my surprise->reaction time (if anyone is wondering, I can't beat the first enemy in Street Fighter II Anniversary on Easiest difficulty). Add to that the awful camera that doesn't give you a good view of enemies shooting at you (seriously, how am I supposed to dodge octorok attacks when I need longer to lock onto them than they need to attack?) and I was frustrated long before beating the woods temple.
Either way, 2d Mario is superior to 3d Zelda or 3d Mario. I hope the added moves don't overcomplicate the game and that it's not as awfully easy as Yoshi's Island.
There were little tutorials within OOT to teach you how to fight. You first practiced Z-Targeting in the Kokori Forest. It's about discovery KDR, the first time I fought a Wolfos, I wanted a badass weapon, so I bought the Giant's Knife. Halfway through my whoppin, I realized the thing had broken, and barely survived the fight. Zelda is all about figuring things out for yourself, that was one of the things I liked about MM. They give you a little idea of what to do, and then they let you run wild in the virtual world.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 09, 2006, 10:29:38 AM
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 10, 2006, 10:40:25 AM
Speaking of going off-topic, Wind Waker's battles were mostly easy because Nintendo made everyone do 1/2-1/4 damage, not because of the battle system.
Post by: Artimus on February 14, 2006, 10:43:35 PM
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Post by: Artimus on February 15, 2006, 02:10:26 PM
http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/688/688902/new-super-mario-bros-20060215005630725.jpg
Can anyone read what it says?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 15, 2006, 02:27:30 PM
(It's just the English name written in Katakana, so the Japanese can read it)
Post by: Mario on February 20, 2006, 03:58:26 PM
US release date = May 7
MEGATON! Those two days before E3 will fly by
Post by: Artimus on February 20, 2006, 04:48:30 PM
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