Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:03:48 AM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 07:08:00 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 07:10:23 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:10:28 AM
There we go
Paste that into WMP's "Play URL".
Post by: joedick on May 17, 2005, 07:11:29 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:12:26 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:13:19 AM
They always start late, I guess.
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:13:38 AM
Thanks for the wiked link, though. I was worried I wouldn't get to see!
(doesn't help a storm hit Calgary and my Internet is fritzing on and off too.)
Artimus - kick a**.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:14:59 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:15:10 AM
Just keep clicking on "The legend of Zelda" tab and closing... there's a Reggie one
"Don't make me do it... I'll take your name!"
Anyone who says NOA doesn't have a sense of humor is a card-carrying Communist!
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:15:35 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 07:17:00 AM
had to replace rtsp with http
Post by: cmoney on May 17, 2005, 07:17:01 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:19:34 AM
I guess that Playstation.com US countdown timer was counting to something after all
p.s. its closer than Nintendo's own timer to their own show
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:19:39 AM
Post by: Darkheart on May 17, 2005, 07:19:49 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 07:20:16 AM
OH NOES
Edit: Roflmao darkheart
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:21:13 AM
Post by: Darkheart on May 17, 2005, 07:21:59 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:23:58 AM
EDIT: I mean... when it actually starts...
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:24:54 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:30:00 AM
Quoteshow start @ 9:30?
Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
I guess that Playstation.com US countdown timer was counting to something after all
those 2 minutes have passed
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:30:06 AM
That's like... 855 minutes in "patience time".
the hurry hurry hurry hurry hurry....
Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2005, 07:30:14 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:30:19 AM
Post by: joedick on May 17, 2005, 07:30:32 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:31:43 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:32:05 AM
WTF
where is the show?
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:32:31 AM
Longest 2 minutes EVER.
Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2005, 07:32:33 AM
Edit: it stops and another starts playing.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:33:14 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:33:59 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:34:02 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 07:34:41 AM
Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2005, 07:34:53 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:35:08 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:35:19 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:35:45 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:35:56 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:36:54 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:37:06 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:37:07 AM
Signed up with GSC just to watch this start already Nintendo ;_;.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:37:08 AM
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 07:37:16 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:37:24 AM
Maybe Nintendo has an opening act too, like N-Gage or Phish.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:37:32 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:37:35 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 07:37:40 AM
YOU ALREADY BROKE MY HEART ONCE, NARRATOR MAN
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:38:23 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: jasonditz
If it was just a Microsoft made tank then Reggie would've already destroyed it and twisted the metal into a superior controller design with his bare hands
LOL
Post by: Mr. Segali on May 17, 2005, 07:38:24 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:38:25 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:38:27 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:38:48 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:39:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Mr. Segali
Dang, I wanna go get a glass of milk for my Pop-Tarts but I know it'll starts as soon as I get up.
Then get up!! We want it now
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:39:39 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:39:47 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:40:12 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:41:12 AM
Sorry.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:41:13 AM
9:30 am: Kodak Theatre, fifth floor, Ball Room. Nintendo's annual E3 conference is about to start. The house is packed full. Many people could not score seats and are standing at every side of the auditorium.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 07:41:14 AM
Post by: Mr. Segali on May 17, 2005, 07:41:23 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:42:03 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:42:09 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:42:47 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:43:04 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:43:25 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:43:50 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:44:03 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 07:44:04 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 07:44:04 AM
Post by: Mr. Segali on May 17, 2005, 07:44:06 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 07:44:24 AM
(Wait - that's actually possible...)
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:44:30 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:44:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Artimus
IGN claims:
9:30 am: Kodak Theatre, fifth floor, Ball Room. Nintendo's annual E3 conference is about to start. The house is packed full. Many people could not score seats and are standing at every side of the auditorium.
I wonder if Sony or MS show was this anticipated, or if this one is that anticipated because the other 2 already went
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:44:44 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:44:47 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:45:17 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:45:30 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 07:45:50 AM
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 07:45:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Dasmos
Bah! i didn't wake up for crappy music..........i want teh sexy reggie!!
Sshhh, they're playing Beck now!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:46:13 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:46:20 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:46:24 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Kakashixs
lol maybe Nintendo's count down wasn't so off.
Yesterday the timer was counting down to 9am
this morning its 10am
Post by: hudsonhawk on May 17, 2005, 07:46:29 AM
I kid you not: http://www.kotaku.com/
Post by: cmoney on May 17, 2005, 07:47:01 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:47:06 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:47:08 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:47:19 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:47:21 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:47:38 AM
they need to send in Reggie to kick some fire marshal ASS!!!
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:48:14 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 07:48:17 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:48:20 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:48:23 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:48:33 AM
LOL IWata talking Smack to Reggie! Unimpossible!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:48:34 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 07:48:40 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:48:45 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:48:50 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:49:08 AM
The reason for the delay is because the event has been overbooked, there are a lot of people in the building and the fire marshall has turned up.
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 07:49:52 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:49:55 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:50:54 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:50:58 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 07:51:42 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:53:10 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:53:12 AM
Thats all so far
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:54:04 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 07:54:07 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:54:31 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 07:55:05 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:55:13 AM
5 Million DS sold
LOL Thats Sonys issue, not my problem
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:55:59 AM
Nintendo Revolution
The word “or” does not apply to Nintendo. The word “and” is at their core. They want to include everyone. They’re talking up how Nintendo is the place where “the right game goes to play”. Sound like anyone else we know?
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 07:56:08 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:57:35 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 07:58:10 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:58:33 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 07:58:41 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:58:53 AM
Post by: xproductionz on May 17, 2005, 08:00:16 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 08:00:16 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 08:00:47 AM
“Nintendo occupies a unique position in our industry. We are one of the top two game system manufacturers in the world and one of the top two game publishers in the world. Nintendo remains first and foremost a content company. We exist for the love of the game. We’re about the levels the characters, the interface, the entertainment. We’re about reaching what’s known, and going into the unknown…. Today, you’ll begin to understand how our Revolution is preparing to storm the gates. ... For 16 years Nintendo has OWNED the portable game space. We created it, and we’re not moving out.”
The Big Boys are whipping it out. Reggie is comparing GBA to PS2 numbers—upward of 28 million each They’re talking about the PSP and PlayStation 2 quite some bit. They know they have to, because Sony’s the biggest game in town, and have the systems to beat right now.
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 08:00:48 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:00:49 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:01:35 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:01:59 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 08:02:32 AM
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 08:02:49 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:02:53 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 08:04:32 AM
Post by: xproductionz on May 17, 2005, 08:04:50 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:05:40 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:05:52 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:07:17 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Savior
90 percent of DS players will be online?
HOW?!?! That's a huge number...is this even possible?
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:07:29 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:08:03 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:08:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: ToruresuQuote
Originally posted by: Savior
90 percent of DS players will be online?
HOW?!?! That's a huge number...is this even possible?
By setting up wifi hotspots, for those without broadband. Lofty goal, nonetheless.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:10:13 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 08:10:32 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:11:07 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 08:11:57 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:12:52 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:12:56 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:13:06 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:13:09 AM
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 08:13:45 AM
She named one of mias (the dog) tricks "New Zelda"
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:14:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: BigJimQuote
Originally posted by: ToruresuQuote
Originally posted by: Savior
90 percent of DS players will be online?
HOW?!?! That's a huge number...is this even possible?
By setting up wifi hotspots, for those without broadband. Lofty goal, nonetheless.
All over the US/Japan/Europe? This will suck lots of $$$
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:15:10 AM
Go Shiggy!
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:15:40 AM
damn Nintendo, you choose the worst timefor the conference!)
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:15:49 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 08:16:17 AM
Post by: Mr. Segali on May 17, 2005, 08:16:29 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:16:53 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 08:16:53 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:16:58 AM
Post by: Rhoq on May 17, 2005, 08:17:06 AM
It's small and awesome!!!
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:17:16 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 08:17:21 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:18:06 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:18:10 AM
Post by: xproductionz on May 17, 2005, 08:18:11 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:18:52 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:18:54 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 08:19:17 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:19:51 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:20:10 AM
its the damn conection, its like oneframe per minute
Post by: Rhoq on May 17, 2005, 08:20:38 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:21:16 AM
So far I'm hearing about lots of focus on Electroplankton and Nintendogs and that new GBA we all hoped they weren't going to make. Man it's like my DREAM conference.
The better blow me away with the Rev because none of what I'm hearing so far is blowing my skirt up. I'm getting E3 2003 vibes.
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:21:44 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:23:12 AM
DVD playback is with an accessory.
512 FLASH memory
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:23:37 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:25:40 AM
LAME. Better than nothing but still pretty meh.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:25:44 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 08:26:20 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:26:41 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:27:25 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:27:52 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:28:16 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:28:25 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:29:02 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:29:18 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:29:29 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:29:51 AM
So that means the Rev is online from the get-go. Well done.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:31:13 AM
So who's getting the better support from Square Enix? Nintendo or MS? Because I can't say I care about what either company's getting from them.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:31:21 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:31:29 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:31:32 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:32:09 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Kakashixs
Smash Bros. Launch Title ONLINE!
Ok...I'm officially sold
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 08:33:13 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:34:03 AM
Is that just Nintendo published games or everything?
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:34:24 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:34:27 AM
Post by: MattVDB on May 17, 2005, 08:34:36 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 08:35:22 AM
anything original anounced, they did hype this on originality
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:36:01 AM
Now with GC stuff? Sigh.... they cant end it with this...
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:36:08 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:37:04 AM
Post by: xproductionz on May 17, 2005, 08:37:05 AM
Post by: Toruresu on May 17, 2005, 08:37:08 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:37:19 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:37:35 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 08:37:37 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:38:40 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 08:39:36 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: BigJim
Geroge Harrison talking about GameCube games this year,,,
there are cube games??? haha, that's a joke, there is only one game worth thinking about left on the Cube.
what does the controller look like?
i can't believe they didn't show videos.
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 08:39:55 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:40:56 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:41:14 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 08:41:33 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:42:17 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 08:42:29 AM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 08:42:43 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:43:20 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:43:35 AM
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:45:18 AM
New Zelda game = greatest game of all time
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:46:24 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 08:46:30 AM
I'm really disappointed, except for the Gameboy Micro there wasnt' a single surprise.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 08:47:32 AM
It's like Nintendo is specifically doing the exact opposite of what I wanted them to do at this conference.
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:48:19 AM
Smash Bros at launch with online play sounds awesome but man I woulda loved to see some shots or anything. Damn... ending with Link again was kinda lame as awesome as link is.
Every other company has like lists of games for their systems and Nintendo shows nothing bad move.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:48:50 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 08:49:01 AM
This is going to get slaughtered by the press...
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 08:49:56 AM
Post by: Lemon on May 17, 2005, 08:50:46 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 08:51:16 AM
Hopefully there'll be a spaceworld this year.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:51:34 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:51:59 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 08:52:01 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 08:52:22 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 08:52:25 AM
**whathefutz?**
Although, it doesn't really matter - ultra-backwards compatibility + on-line Smash Bros = I'm buying it.
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:53:23 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 08:53:34 AM
yeah they said it!!!!
well they should have
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:53:51 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 08:54:19 AM
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 08:54:19 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 08:55:44 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 08:56:04 AM
They didn't even take time with the new DS Mario Brothers!
URGH.
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 08:56:08 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 08:56:44 AM
I double the giant "Awwwwww" the audience cooed when Iwata said he wasn't going to discuss any "secrets".
Post by: Famicom on May 17, 2005, 08:57:51 AM
But DAMN that GB Mirco is really small.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2005, 08:58:03 AM
1)The graphics aren't as good as the other systems.
or
2)The graphics wouldn't properly represent what the revolution is.
Nintendo just stated it was coming. Told us that the controller will be vastly different, and how we connect and use our system will be different.
Backwards compatiable with every system is awesome and important. (At least to me.) I sold all of my games and systems with each upgrade so I can actually afford to upgrade. Now I will be able to play classic games again. But will this hurt repackaging the games for the DS and GBA?
I am alittle disappointed with that Micro GBA, unless it is like $50.00 I am not interested.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 09:00:37 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 09:00:59 AM
And they didn't show the controller, just the console. And they did nothing to appease graphics whores except tell them they'll say "wow". Why tell? Why not show?
Well... that conference officially sucked. They better show stuff on the show floor.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 09:02:37 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 09:03:06 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 09:04:07 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2005, 09:04:26 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 09:07:23 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 09:09:30 AM
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 09:10:08 AM
They held back, and now they are perceived as late.
Right now -
Xbox 360 = lots of games, hype
PS3 = lots of games, awesome graphics, hype
Revolution = F*ck all
Hopefully this changes over the next year, but it's hard to shift hype, first impressions are very important.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 09:10:32 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 09:13:16 AM
Sigh. I guess it's important to remember that PS2 and Revolution won't be comming out until next year. If the Revolution is truly revolutionary, it should still knock the wind out of the ps3's sails before launch. Nintendo's lacklustre presentation matters to us, but won't really matter to casual gamers in the long run.
Post by: Jigabug_ on May 17, 2005, 09:15:01 AM
I'm assuming the video was Zelda: Twighlight Princess (?) for the 'cube? If so... can someone explain to me the DS card that was shown?
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 09:15:44 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 09:16:59 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 09:20:45 AM
This is was IT. This was Nintendo's big chance. The PS3 and Xbox 360 conferences really weren't all that great and Nintendo had the chance to blow them away. They were even going last so they could react directly to what was shown. And they totally f*cking blew it! They pretty much didn't reveal anything! The Rev showing was worse than both of the competitors. How could they see what the competition was showing and think that THIS was comparible? We know some info and I kind of like what I know so far but it's not enough. No one is going to hype up the Rev because of this. The competition has real games and footage. Nintendo has vague concepts. That's not comparable.
Not only was this their big chance I feel it was their last chance. This next gen is a two console race. All everyone talks about is Sony vs MS. No one is paying attention to Nintendo anymore. They show off the real details later and it won't matter because no one is going to even know about it. By then the Xbox 360 will be right around the corner. This was E3. People were looking. No one is going to pay attention to a Nintendo-only show later because no one cares about Nintendo. Everyone assumed the Rev was a non-factor and Nintendo just confirmed their suspicions. When you don't show something people assume it's because you have nothing to show.
I currently don't have a reason to buy a Revolution and I'm a Nintendo fan. So how the F*CK are they going to get any of the people who didn't buy a Cube to buy a Rev if they haven't yet convinced ME to buy one? SSB Online is cool and a new Metroid, Mario, and Zelda are cool but those are old hat. If someone didn't buy a Cube for those franchises they're not going to buy a Rev for them. And even if the franchises are good enough to sell you a Rev what do you have to look forward to? We don't have any details on these games at all.
It doesn't matter what the controller is or what games are available. People are making their choice now and it's PS2 or Xbox 360. The Rev isn't even a choice because we don't know sh!t about it. The race has started and Nintendo is still driving to the track. It will take a f*cking miracle to build up hype now.
The only reason to be excited in the Rev is if you have faith in Nintendo but that's the whole point. Very few people do. The market share is shrinking each gen. Nintendo can't rely on people to be patient or give them the benefit of the doubt. We've been waiting since the N64 for them to get their act back together. People are tired of waiting. So when Nintendo tells us to wait some more they might as well tell us to go buy another console. Maybe they've changed, maybe they haven't but it doesn't matter. We need to know things are getting better now because we've got two other consoles to choose from.
If Nintendo has any brains at all they'll bust their ass to put on some big unveiling ASAP. When the crowd groans at your conference you f*cked up.
Post by: Jigabug_ on May 17, 2005, 09:20:49 AM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 09:22:28 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 09:24:23 AM
Microsoft = 0
Nintendo = 0
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 09:26:20 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 09:27:51 AM
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 09:27:58 AM
is now
"What console should I get, Xbox 360 or Playstation 3?"
Post by: MaleficentOgre on May 17, 2005, 09:28:01 AM
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 09:29:58 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 09:35:20 AM
I should have taken that extra 2 hours of sleep before work, I coulda got the new info while @ work
i.e. the Zelda trailer and a pic of GB micro
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 09:36:17 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 09:36:48 AM
Post by: Strell on May 17, 2005, 09:37:14 AM
WHERE IS MARIO 128
WHERE IS METROID DREAD
WHERE IS THE CONTROLLER
YOU CAN DO BETTER NINTENDO, YOU CAN DO F*CKING BETTER
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 09:38:30 AM
Looking back over the conference it's clear that:
a) Gamecube only has Zelda going for it now.
b) Nintendo didn't show nearly as much Revolution stuff as they should have. Why the secrets? Why the puzzle? Why, Nintendo, why?
BUT!
c) I don't think anybody can deny that DS got some impressive stuff for it this time. Another Code, Mario & Luigi 2, online (whatever, personally), new Mario Bros, that list of devs... I'll just ignore nintendogs and electroplankton though.
The DS was clearly positioned as the star of the show... it's just too bad Nintendo's decision not to show more of Revolution absolutely killed whatever impact it may have had. Not a smart move, Nintendo.
What with the conference and the "2/3 times" thing I'm thoroughly and completely pissed off.
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 09:40:23 AM
This may be it for me.... All the forumers in the world are crying little babies.
Nintendo is doing things right. They, as a company, make me happy. They are running their business in the way businesses should be run. They are stressing the little guy instead of the companies that can afford 8 figure budgets. I am happy... and I don't want to be lumped in with the likes of you whiners.
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 09:42:11 AM
I personally think Nintendo showed pretty much what I expected. I am surprised and disappointed that they didn't display any Revolution footage (other than Samus, which I hear was pre-rendered). That was a big mistake. Heck, I don't even care if it's fake, pre-rendered stuff, the point is to remind people there are games they will want on the new system. However, it's not a surprise that Nintendo doesn't want to reveal the revolutionary part of the console.
I think Nintendo can still turn things around for Revolution by having a strong showing later on, but it needs to be this year, before Xbox 360 is released.
My main disappointment is that there wasn't anything new worth talking about. Last year they capped off a great conference with some footage of Zelda. This year they capped off a mediocre conference with...more footage of Zelda. That's a shame.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 09:44:21 AM
What concerneed me the most, was the lack of third parties... Would it have hurt to have a video reel of guys from Konami, Capcom Namco and EA talking about their exitement over the Revoltuion? The Rest of the Show was fine. Even though we only saw 3 "Core" DS Games...
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 09:45:02 AM
The problem is that you have no way of knowing that, and for that matter, Nintendo missed their chance to show anybody that.
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 09:45:34 AM
However, look how many people are in the Revolution board right now, hell the only E3 discussion happening is in this board, when they showed more DS and GC stuff than Rev stuff, we have ourselves to blame for the disappointment, BUT luckily we are not disappointed in the console, we are just disappointed we didnt get to see how it was played, which is good I guess. *sigh*
Post by: Tridon on May 17, 2005, 09:46:36 AM
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 09:46:38 AM
The problem is that you have no way of knowing that, and for that matter, Nintendo missed their chance to show anybody that.
Ok...so you can believe Sony when they tell you the PS3 is 35 times faster than the PS2, but I can't believe Nintendo when they say they are stressing the little developers and innovation...
Whatever.
Post by: Fro on May 17, 2005, 09:47:52 AM
They also didn't deliver anything new for Gamecube of great value. Obviously Zelda is going to be awesome, but that seems to be the last gasp for the Cube.
They're seriously in trouble console-wise if they don't get their act together or unless their new ideas live up to the hype.
I for one am definitely going to pick up a PS3 if the price isn't ridiclous.
DS did have a pretty good showing though.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 09:48:34 AM
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Not only was this their big chance I feel it was their last chance
Exagerating a bit?
Post by: Famicom on May 17, 2005, 09:50:47 AM
There's really two issues here that are causing a problem. The first is that unlike Sony's and Microsoft's, Nintendo's conference wasn't 90 minutes of JUST next-gen console. Nintendo obviously feels that what they have going on right NOW is more important that one year from now. Nothing wrong with that in a general sense, but I can see where it would cause a problem. The order of events was pretty poor too. Leading out on the GC wasn't the best of ideas at all. Yes a Zelda trailer is great and exciting, and maybe that alone should have stayed last, but the GC games trailer didn't deserve that spot over the Rev. Plain and simple, that alone was a mistake.
This directly ties into issue two, which is what I felt was the most important, a lack of a games reel or preview of any kind. I saw about one frame of Samus doing something, but the report I read on IGN said it was prerendered and not actual game footage. Besides online, the biggest issue Nintendo has is third party support, and if nothing else it would have been great to give us some hard facts about who's on board either visually through a reel or vocally speaking about it, but we got nothing. Oh wait, we did get confirmation about WiFi Crystal Chronicles from SquareEnix, but that alone ain't gonna cut it. This mystery IMO will continue to hurt Nintendo in the long run here.
Other than that, I think what transpired went over well. I don't know if Electroplankton deserved that much spotlight, but usually the games Nintendo spotlights tend to deserve it, so I won't call them out on that. Although I think the simple nature of the game won't go over well with the hardcore showgoers of E3, unless its amazingly spectacular. We'll see what happens with that on the show floor. No love for Meteos? Laaame. PSP fans are creaming over Lumines, so it would have been in their best interest to say "hey, we not only can match that, we can beat it!" But oh well. For the Rev, despite Microsoft's and Sony's conference, they didn't have to blow the load on their system. They stayed away from specs, because if they DO plan on beefing up a little bit (I doubt it) it was a wise move to stay quiet. They stayed away from the controller, which is fine. They stayed away from the SECRET, which is also fine. But those things are only fine when you address the problems of the past and show that they are long gone. Nintendo did that with online, but not with third party relations. Perhaps they have, but them saying nothing = means nothing.
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 09:52:23 AM
But, a good product will trump a good presentation any day of the week. The DS unveiling was 'late', and Sony hyped up the PSP to no end. But the DS is winning right now because Nintendo had a better product, a better price and a better launch strategy.
Right now I'm thinking Nintendo didn't unveil the Revolution because they knew they could either reveal everything or nothing. Showing footage would mean giving away their revolutionary display. Showing the controller would mean revealing their revolutionary control. Showing Miyamoto's big flagship game would be utterly pointless without giving away the first two things I mentioned. Showing third party support would mean admitting that they don't really have any yet... and showing specs, in abscense of anything else, would be suicide if they aren't quite up to snuff.
The important thing is that there isn't any idication that Nintendo is heading in the wrong direction. The console design shows that they are willing to appeal to the mainstream, the download play and internet strategies sound excellent...and I'd bet anything that the controls, visuals and gameplay they're working on will be amazing.
It's also important to remember that, when everything rests on unproven revolutionary technology, showing your hand too early can be a huge, huge mistake.
As long as they show everything THIS YEAR, and they actually have something exceptional to show (which I'm sure they do), Nintendo could still easily mop the floor with the competition. Microsoft and Sony have apparently already given us almost everything they have....and they didn't have much.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 09:53:19 AM
I don't believe Sony's numbers, but the difference between them is that Sony has shown some evidence that there is still something to be impressed about underneath the lies. All Nintendo has shown is empty baseless words... and not even clear words, but horribly vague and uninspiring.
Nintendo needed evidence. They needed to back up their words. Sony at least tried to back up theirs. Nintendo didn't even bother, and that pisses me off.
The problem with this conference is that Nintendo just talked, they didn't show.
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 09:56:38 AM
Just because they didn't show any evidence of their business strategy that is DIRECTLY related to the Rev...they showed a ton that backs it up on other platforms... My god...you all need to grow up. It isn't a f*cking competetion. The only competetion involved is whether or not Nintendo will be in business...and if you aren't convinced they are, then you need to calm yourself down and think logically. This is like arguing the differences between Sin City and The Scooby Movie.
I'm out.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 10:00:40 AM
What I want to know is what do third parties know about the Rev. If Nintendo wants to keep the details from us that's one thing but the third parties need to know what's going down and they need to know NOW. In fact they should know already. The Cube had this terrible post-launch drought that pretty much single handly killed it's potential and that was largely because Nintendo waited too long to give third parties the low down. Third parties couldn't make Cube games in time for launch so we either got nothing or really crappy ports of PS2 and Dreamcast games. If they want to avoid that they have to reveal the details to third parties now.
"They are stressing the little guy instead of the companies that can afford 8 figure budgets."
I'll agree that that's cool but we don't know anything about it. Nintendo didn't tell us how they were going to help the "little guy" or deal with big budgets. We just got some vague promise. It's a good thing to focus on but I need to know what it is.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 10:01:09 AM
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 10:04:03 AM
However, Nintendo had a chance to start next generation with #1 in mindshare, they now have a VERY uphill battle, i'm just a bit disappointed they didn't capitalize on the opportunity, obviously I don't know what they know, but from my knowledge they messed up, and judging from the general reaction of everyone on the internet, nobody wants or cares about their next console now, which is not good. I know I know "who cares what other people think", well I don't, I just want Nintendo to finally get the success they deserve and I want better support for their future consoles.
But you know what? Next generation is a year away, GameCube and DS are the present, and they rock.
Post by: Famicom on May 17, 2005, 10:04:37 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 10:05:40 AM
Now that that's done, Nintendo could have just blown it big time or they could have done the smartest thing ever. Hear me with both ears folks!!! No matter what they showed it would not have gotten the proper attention, with Ps3, XboX360 etc...
Any of you folks here play poker? Good. If you have the best hand and you know you're going to win this hand, what options do you have? You can put you cards on the table and call early, making everybody else @ the table take notice, win this hand but to seize the moment you jeopardize the future. Now your opponent is thinking "well he's better than I thought I should rethink and regroup. Now lets just say you've lost to this same opponent before, they've see you make the same bet you always do, play the hand the same way so they feel comfy in they inflated position. You let them drop the Full-House on the table, ready to collect the pot and the out of nowhere..."BAM FREAKIN' STRAIGHT FLUSH ON THIER CANDY-A$$."
AnyWay, Revolution or not, Twilight Princess was worth the price alone. Have faith boys and girls. Fear Not!!
Wise-Old-Fanboy: "That show(E3) was our last hope"
Wiser-Older-Fanboy: "No, there is another..."
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 10:06:10 AM
We're complaining about the press conference. It wasn't good. It didn't show enough.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 10:08:59 AM
Ill be able to play Star Tropics, Chronno Trigger, Super Mario 64 and Metroid Prime, plus Smash Brothers Revolution all in one console.... Thats awesome. Its the best part of the Revolution, sad to say its the only thing they really talked about
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 10:15:21 AM
Post by: Shecky on May 17, 2005, 10:18:54 AM
My plea
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2005, 10:21:44 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 10:22:41 AM
I've been thinking about how Nintendo can salvage this. They're going to be ripped to shreds by the media for this. But the internet is just part of the media. A large percentage of gamers still get their info from magazines. Those magazines are working on their E3 issues right now. The general gaming public won't know Nintendo's conference bombed for a few months. So what if Nintendo in the next few days phones up EGM and says "how would you like the exclusive sneak peek of the Revolution?" EGM would probably reveal that info in the same issue as their E3 coverage. So the general public learns about the Rev at the same time that they learn about E3 and Nintendo gets a few extra months before the "secret" is leaked which helps ensure that Sony and MS don't have enough time to "steal" it.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 10:28:31 AM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 10:31:25 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 10:54:18 AM
As for the Revolution presentation, I finally got to see it for myself, and I thought there were a few nice details there. I'm a little concerned about 512 MB of internal memory, that seem rather small to me, but I'm happy with the decision to go with SD cards. I'm also glad to see they are at least considering some colours other than black (but I do think black or silver should be used as the marketing colour for the system), and seeing Iwata make the comment about backwards compatibility in person was a lot more exciting. It's not going to sell me on the console, but it is a cool feature, and one that MS and Sony can't copy very well.
I think the lack of info on the Revolution is okay for the most part, I don't think it's going to hurt the Rev that much in the long run, as long as Nintendo puts on a good show later, preferably this year.
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 11:00:25 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 11:23:44 AM
No the GB mini was not a surprise, it was more a dissapointment, I was actually hoping for a multimedia GBA SP or even a DS media version (takes SD cards, plays video & audio) .
Why not make a GC mini - maybe that would spur some sales, i don't need nor want a smaller GBA , the SP is small enough
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 11:47:47 AM
The Rev will be awesome and we all know it. Deep inside we do. The showing at this E3 wasn't as glitzy as Sony or MS's but that is because MS HAD to since it's system will be out before year's end and Sony wanted to compete with them directly as they feel MS's breath on their neck.
Meanwhile Nintendo get to do what I've hoped they would all along. Just sit back and let these two go at it tooth and nail all year long. Then at next E3, Nintendo will be the ONLY one of the three with anything really "new" to show. And at THAT E3, Nintendo can truly "steal" the show as it will be a one horse affair next time.
And I think that is freaking AWESOME.
So quit being upset about what we didn't get this year. The long-term strategy here is almost flawless. Nintendo have encouraged me this E3. They are ALREADY making sure that the Rev's launch line-up will be a great one. They are ALREADY touting the extra features that the Rev will have in spite of it's incompletion. Which must mean they feel pretty damn confident about the aspects of the machine that we still don't know about. And that also makes me VERY happy.
Open up your eyes people. This is what our hearts wanted but in your MINDS you know that this is what is BEST in the longrun. You know, longrun? That thing we always say Nintendo doesn't plan enough for? Well they are now. And we must remain faithful for they have given us every reason to be so if we'll just read the signs.
Quit playing into Nintendo fanboy sterotypes and losing your minds over what we DIDN'T see. And start putting the big picture together in your head.
-Nintendo will be the only game in town with anything truly "new" at the next E3.
-The Rev is obviously going to be strongly supported at launch. Something we haven't seen in over a decade from Nintendo. For SM 64 alone did not make for a good launch.
-The Rev is going SERIOUSLY online. And if I'm not mistaken, didn't we all agree that lack of online was a serious problem with the cube? From a selling standpoint anyway?
-We are going to be able to download a freaking LIBRARY of classic games onto our Revs. Isn't that just a LITTLE bit awesome? huh?
...and last but sure as hell not least...
-It's a NINTENDO console. Doesn't that speak a bit for it's quality?
And all this before we've even seen the damn controller? Which we've been assured is also quite the neat trick? Are you kidding me?
The Rev has a promising future. If you can't see that than your a blind man...period.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 11:54:55 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 11:57:58 AM
The Xbox 360 launches this year. Nintendo HAS to show off the Rev before then or they risk losing a huge chunk of potential Rev owners to the Xbox 360. Hell the PS3 might even be out by next E3. By this time next year everyone will either own an Xbox 360 or will have decided to buy a PS3. If they wait that long they will have no chance in hell of competing.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 12:12:35 PM
a good TGS, or a Spaceworld can easyly fix things... they just need to get ALL Third Parties on board.
Post by: Fro on May 17, 2005, 12:18:14 PM
There's certainly more time to fix things, but they need something more concrete by the time 360 launches.
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 12:18:20 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
If they wait that long they will have no chance in hell of competing.
But of course they will Ian. Gamers DO buy more than one system these days and Nintendo are trying to do what they SHOULD have done with the cube. Become the casual gamers second system. That is the best way to work their way out of the hole they dug themselves all those years ago.
Listen man, go look at some XBOX forums. I have been. Some of those guys are literally foaming at the mouth over the downloadable Nintendo library.
Things are NOT perfect for the Rev. By any means at all. All I am saying is that there is serious reason to hope here.
And don't be so sure that MS is going to set the world on fire before the Rev gets it's chance either. Most MS fanboys are already on board, although even some of them are a tad put off by this whole "It's really XBOX V. 1.5" thing. Those guys are used to having THE most powerful and unique system around. But they will NOT have that luxury this time. The Rev plans on hitting them where it hurts by CRUSHING their downloadable content plans with the Nintendo library. And aggresively attacking them on the online front.
Sony will be the powerhouse company next gen as well. Not MS.
Plus as I said, MS will be launching at the end of the year, a much longer distance from this E3 then Nintendo will be launching after next year's, THEIR E3.
The coming gen has been turned upside down. This is NOT the same playing field as last time my friend. Things are SO different this time. Nintendo aren't getting out the door first and this does pose a problem. But at the same time, you must look at the TIMING of all the variables here.
The future brings HOPE, real HOPE for the Rev. More than I ever saw for the GCN a year before it's launch. I'm telling you Nintendo have outsmarted their competitors in ways that even they most likely haven't realized yet. Trust me on this Ian. You will eventually see all the promise this situation holds. Once you, and the rest here, have let your emotions die down a bit and can think straight again.
And if none of you do eventually see things they way I do...well then...tough. heh. I, for one, am very pleased with how things are looking. But perhaps, that's because I was the one being the negative fanboy a week ago and now MY fears have been stamped out.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 17, 2005, 12:21:22 PM
-_-
They always make the best stuff but make the absolute most dumbass decisions sometimes.
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 12:24:14 PM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Nintendo lost the generation by not revealing their console today.
Fine I give up. NINTENDO IS TEH DOOMED! LETZ ALL GO BLOW R BRAINZ OUT CUZ TEH NINTENDO DIDNT AANOUSE DAT DA REV WOOD GIVE OUT FREE CANDY AND MONEY!!!1
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 12:37:31 PM
No that IS the hole they've dug themselves into. The Cube is the "second system" and that contributes largely to why third party games sell like crap on it. If I already own one of the other systems then I only need the Cube for exclusives. That completely kills third party sales because first party games are the ONLY games that absolutely remain exclusive. Multiplatform titles are a complete waste and there's no point in making third party exclusives when you can be sure that most Cube owners will own one of the other consoles. There's no incentive for third parties at all.
And image is important. Most people only buy one console and they want to pick a winner. If Nintendo is not even trying to be the winner few will buy their console. They'll have the image of a loser console and that is incredibly damaging to system sales.
The whole idea just makes no sense. It would completely piss off every Nintendo fan who can only afford one console. I REFUSE to buy a second console. I will buy ONE and ONLY ONE and if Nintendo is going to intentionally force me to buy another console then I'm not going to give them my business. I want everything I need on one console. Nintendo has failed at providing that for the last two generations. Hope that things will improve is what keeps me loyal. They try to be the "second console" and there's no more hope. And if I don't have that I'm not buying a Rev.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 12:55:13 PM
Me i despise that, if you cant afford all 3 then tough but competition creates quality. Monopoly mediocrity
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 12:55:13 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
l.
And image is important. Most people only buy one console and they want to pick a winner. If Nintendo is not even trying to be the winner few will buy their console. They'll have the image of a loser console and that is incredibly damaging to system sales.
Okay, now THAT is a valid point, Ian. While I can defend Nintendo's position at E3, I cannot defend any position for them besides what they deserve which IS the top spot. So in that quote I've made of yours Ian, you are totally right.
But let's talk about what it means to be a "second system" for a sec. Developers aren't interested in what is "cool". Hell, with the whole "retro" thing being in right now, Nintendo has plenty of cool points. The problem are those hipsters, (you know the Ipod fake hippies), they don't buy games. They buy weed, heh. So Nintendo despite any underground cool it might have to whatever subculture or another still doesn't sell enough third party software OR enough hardware to call itself a "marketshare go getter". So the developers stay away.
But look at what The Rev can do to change this.
First off, the fact that it has, supposedly, the easiest and most cost effective hardware to develop for means that in times of financial stress, third parties will see Nintendo in a whole new light. The extra games they bring Nintendo for that very reason will help bring marketshare to Nintendo without them lifting a finger. Which is good for Nintendo, because historically they don't lift many fingers in that arena.
Secondly, with all I mentioned in earlier posts that would help Nintendo become that favored "second system", they are SURE to gain more market respect from that as well. Developers won't care why anyone owns a Rev or if it's their first or second favorite console. Just so long as they own it and buy games for it. This will keep Nintendo on the rise financially and the more money they make and the more respect developers gain for them due to increased marketshare, the more great games guys like you and me (who only buy one system a gen) get to play on our beloved Nintendo home console.
See? Being a second system to a large audience may be disheartening as fan of Nintendo. But as gamers it benefits us by making the Rev a more favored console than it's older brother was. We all win in some respect that way.
The Rev must do all these things to become a "second system" in order to slowly gain back it's former marketshare glory and then it's fair share of quality third party offerings. And the Rev can do it. I know it can.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 01:02:58 PM
Short of designing the Revolution by taking retail PS3s and slapping a Nintendo logo on them, exactly how can they be the console you want them to be?
Exactly how does the Cube fail people as an "only system"?
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 01:23:51 PM
Exactly how does the Cube fail people as an 'only system'?"
So far, based on what we know, the Rev pretty much is the console I want it to be. I want it to have options. I want it to be online. I want it to have good third party support from a variety of developers. I want it to have all the genres covered and have all the demographics covered. Ideally I want to rarely have the feeling I'm missing out. With the SNES I rarely felt I was missing out. For all the Genesis exclusives there was something comparable I could play instead.
With the Cube I didn't have that feeling. It didn't provide all the options. GTA and Halo were big titles and the Cube literally had no exclusives that were even the same type of game. There were virtually no online Cube games. There wasn't that good of third party support. There was a feeling of missing out on something.
I don't want anyone to think I don't like the Rev. So far I LOVE it. They haven't released any info that sours if for me yet. I'm just concerned that they're waiting too long to provide us with the important info and it's going to hurt them. In order for the Rev to deliver it has to be reasonably successful and the longer Nintendo lets the competition build up hype the harder it's going to be for the Rev to be successful. And by successful I mean strong market share and strong mindshare because that's what benefits me.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 02:09:06 PM
I feel so lied to again. Yeah the REV casing looks great, the online at launch, and the total backwards compatibility is great; but the thing they hyped no showed.
Sony and MS didn't even hype their controllers and they showed them.
I was disappointed with all three conferences even though I found some good things in Sony's and Nintendo's. I was expecting so much more. MS was so vulnerable with the controller and the graphics. It was a one two punch, or it should have been. Sony with graphics, Nintendo with innovative controls, together they could have burried MS like the Saturn and Dreamcast without spending an extra dime beyond today on damage control against the X360. Nintendo will probably do something like wait till right before the X360 launches and show its controller and graphics. I doubt there will be a full blown SpaceWorld. It is just too expensive. They should have taken advantage of having the stage today. The whole world was watching, whether they loved Nintendo or hated them, today was their chance to wow, and they showed Nintendogs.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 02:52:58 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
The whole world was watching, whether they loved Nintendo or hated them, today was their chance to wow, and they showed Nintendogs.
Job well done as far as I'm concerned... I definately want Nintendogs now
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Post by: IceCold on May 17, 2005, 06:53:43 PM
QuoteI had thought that too (how could it not) but Reggie said that the Rev was 2-3 times as powerful as the Cube while the Xbox2 is 10-15 times more powerful than the Xbox apparently. I know, I know, these don't tell all of the story at all about the graphics, and the specs could be different, but it isn't looking good.
Originally posted by: Mike_Tyson
I still think the Revolution will outpower the Xbox 360 still so thats one edge it has already.
Post by: Dasmos on May 17, 2005, 10:04:11 PM
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Originally posted by: nemo_83
Sony and MS didn't even hype their controllers and they showed them.
Their controllers are nothing to be hyped over. Obviously the lack of controller means it is something to be desired..
