Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 11:32:02 PM
Nice! Very slick! It doesn't reveal much though, but we'll find out about that at the conference in just over 7 hours.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 16, 2005, 11:34:30 PM
Post by: Mario on May 16, 2005, 11:40:22 PM
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New details regarding Nintendo's next-generation console, codenamed Revolution, have started to sprinkle onto the Internet. The machine, which will be revealed during Nintendo's pre-E3 2005 show on Tuesday morning in Los Angeles, will sport a slick, black design and a front blue light. Revolution will be "two-to-three times more powerful than GameCube," according to Nintendo, which also acknowledges that the next-generation race isn't solely about new technologies.
Nintendo also revealed that using Revolution's new Wi-Fi connection, gamers would be able to go online to a free gamer-matching service. Interestingly, in a move similar to Microsoft's Xbox Live Arcade service, Revolution users will be able to download classic and new Nintendo games over the Internet. Nintendo cited such examples as Donkey Kong and Super Mario Sunshine, which suggests that Revolutionaries could have access to games for all the publisher's previous consoles.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 17, 2005, 12:06:29 AM
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"two-to-three times more powerful than GameCube,"
Gahh!!!
Nintendo really knows how to say the right things to cause people pain.
Post by: HereticPB on May 17, 2005, 12:11:28 AM
Post by: TMW on May 17, 2005, 12:11:53 AM
And downloading older games?!
This is...too awesome for words. We need new words.
It's...Reggiesome!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 17, 2005, 12:25:26 AM
I pop game in. I play.
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 12:46:08 AM
www.nintendo.com
As for the "2 to 3 times" more powerful. LAME. Likely buying a Sony this time around. Unless the Revolution is in 3-D of course.
Post by: TMW on May 17, 2005, 12:47:04 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 12:48:40 AM
Sorry, that's the Reggie-heavy site.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 12:54:27 AM
2-3 times more powerful? Ugh. That really hurts. Now we know they forfeited power. They're really risking the "toy" stereotype again.
Post by: TMW on May 17, 2005, 12:56:09 AM
Must be having technical difficulties.
I hope it's a legion of fans crashing the server.
Guys...this isn't two or three times a number...
Imagine two or three times RE4.
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 12:58:05 AM
But we'll see. If I'm wrong, I'll be REALLY let down.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 01:00:21 AM
That thing seriously reminds me of a Sun client terminal thingy though... maybe the whole wi-fi thing is a lot more integral than we thought and it's actually just a literal console terminal.
Post by: Renny on May 17, 2005, 01:04:22 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 01:05:47 AM
Then again, we do remember when Nintendo low-balled their GameCube numbers. They were giving realistic polygon data with effects, etc. Xbox 360 and PS3 performance is very impressive, but theoretical.
Sooooooo we'll see... but by god if Nintendo misses I really do need to get a PS3 instead.
Post by: TMW on May 17, 2005, 01:07:13 AM
Post by: Caillan on May 17, 2005, 01:08:06 AM
I personally think it looks ugly, but I really like the Cube in purple so I don't expect Nintnedo to cater to my tastes. In case IGN goes down, I've put the pic on TinyPic.com.
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 01:19:51 AM
Post by: pudu on May 17, 2005, 01:22:36 AM
BUT I'm rambling on. If you think clearly to double Gamecube's power you could put in 3 year old technology and sell it for next to nothing...
Does this look like what they would actually release as specs?
(I simply doubled everything...yea i know that is a simplton way of thinking...oh well)
1GHz CPU @ 4Gflops (as compared to x's tri-core 3.2GHz @ over 100Gflops_
80MB memory (compared to 512)
24 million poly/second (compared to 500)
Looking at that this can't be true right?....right??????? If this is true it'll probably be similar to comparing the DS to the PSP in terms of power. I know they said the DS was a good indicator of their direction...but I never knew they meant it to be THIS close. Let's all join hands and pray.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 01:24:33 AM
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Because Zelda on the Rev will be so crappy cause it's not as strong as the PS3, right?
Nobody said anything about Zelda being crappy. But if you're fixed on buying a console for specific characters then your buying choice is already made regardless.
Speaking personally, GameCube ended up not being versatile enough for me in terms of the overall software availability. If I get a PS3 instead it won't necessarily be because of the power, but because history dictates that its software support likely will be more expansive. But that is a whole other thread that doesn't really belong here.
I did just think of something however. The Xbox 360 and PS3 demos have strongly focused on visual realism. That's not typically Nintendo's artistic direction. I wonder how their style will blend with the "HD era" of gaming? Will it SEEM underpowered even if it's not?
Many questions.
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 01:26:49 AM
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Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 01:39:09 AM
By the way guys in how many hours and minutes does this show go down?
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 01:42:19 AM
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Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 01:45:01 AM
or
314 minutes 10 seconds to go!
or
18890 seconds to go!
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 02:04:49 AM
Microsoft is claiming a 13 to 15 times more powerful system, and Sony's claiming 35 times more powerful. Nintendo is 2 to 3?
By those numbers, I'd say the Revolution has roughly a fifth of the power that Sony is tossing around. This falls in line with everything we've heard so far, too - from the DS as a good indicator of their direction in the market, to Gamecube development tools being used for the Revolution, to the severe emphasis on innovation over power. But I'd say that Sony and Microsoft's new software with entire armies of individual AI is fairly new, never mind graphical improvements.
Here's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
1. And I've long said this, 3-D Display.
2. Gloriously simple interface with their Wi-Fi plans.
3. The aforementioned infinite reverse compatability, all the way to NES.
4. Extensive support from companies like Square-Enix and Ubisoft.
5. Mario 128 - but only if it fundamentally challenges the way video games are played. (How do you do that?)
6. A severe underevaluation of the Revolution's actual power.
I don't know, gang... that PS3 is looking mighty hard to top. I love every franchise that Nintendo ever created, but my fanboy-ism is dying off.
Post by: TMW on May 17, 2005, 02:12:17 AM
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Originally posted by: DrydenHere's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
3. The aforementioned infinite reverse compatability, all the way to NES.
4. Extensive support from companies like Square-Enix and Ubisoft.
5. Mario 128 - but only if it fundamentally challenges the way video games are played. (How do you do that?)
6. A severe underevaluation of the Revolution's actual power.
I don't know, gang... that PS3 is looking mighty hard to top. I love every franchise that Nintendo ever created, but my fanboy-ism is dying off.
#3 Well, considering it's been said you'll be able to download older games, up to and including Super Mario Sunshine, I think that one is in the bag.
#4 SE did say they liked the way Ninty was approaching online. In a public statement, no less.
#5 Mario 128 is a GC title. Not Rev. But, even if the Rev does half of what they say it will do, it will fulfill #5...
and #6...heh. Maybe it's a typo. What they actually meant was "2 to 3 times the power consumption of the Gamecube."
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 02:18:19 AM
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#4 SE did say they liked the way Ninty was approaching online. In a public statement, no less.
Yeah, and Square-Enix has the power to sell systems on a large scale too. But I don't see the flagship (FF XIII) leaving the Sony fleet soon. Maybe more Crystal Chronicles, though.
More importantly...
Uhhh...
Why does the pic of the Revolution say Gamespy at the bottom... but Gamespy doesn't have the image?
Fake? Or did I just not find it on Gamespy?
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 02:27:49 AM
Post by: Rhoq on May 17, 2005, 02:28:27 AM
Hopefully - we'll get our first glimpse at this baby in action later today.
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 02:39:20 AM
When I look at it head on I honestly don't see the Revolution touching the PS3 in terms of advanced technology, it has 1080p support and can support input to two HDTV's at the same time off one console and the graphics look like CGi(I literally mean it), also take into account the advancements they've made with the eyetoy it mimics minority reports, overall a VERY impressive piece of hardware and incredibly advanced piece of technology.
The Xbox 360's initiative was to combat Sony directly in terms of advanced technolgoy and powerful hardware and they fall short of nearly half the performance the PS3 can pull off, if Xbox 360 carries on the "buy our console because it's powerful" nonsense they'll obviously hurt themselves, Revolution know they'll have trouble competing with the PS3 in terms of power so they say "hey look we're doing things differently, come buy our console", now different opens up an entire gateway of possiblities, different can be good or bad, being totally different is NOT good though, Gamecube is an example of going against the grain, they went so different they alienated support for themselves.
Revolution on the other hand sounds like absolute genius, a mix of rumors, speculation and fact are about to go into the next chapter so don't quote or flame me:
First this console is purported to possess a certain amount of power, not enough to topple the leader the PS3 but enough to give them a run and probably topple the Xbox 360, as much as Nintendo hate to admit it this is important, Nintendo seem to have the graphics side of things taken care and it looks like theyr willing to change.
Second this console is supposed to be small and sleek, the PS3 is supposed to be relatively... well tiny while the XBox 360 is of a similar size to the original Xbox, small works and by making their console small Nintendo are in a good position, sleek also works, Gamecube was sort of gimmicky and purported as a toy, ensuring the Revolution doesn't look gimmicky is an important issue for Nintendo and from what they tell us it is something they've taken care of.
Third is online, online is becoming more important and MS lead in this field but Nintendo are supposed to be offering the same serives live offers for free.. can you say jackpot?!?!
Fourth is software support, now going off what we've heard from president of S-E and several other dev's theyr interested in the Revolution and for good reason too, the Revolution could give them new territory to explore and which Dev doesn't enjoy that kind of challenge, aside from that good third party support of ports is also looking a lot more likely than it was on the Gamecube.
Fifth is peripheral support, Hard drives are becoming important to games, how about Revolution take the plunge and put a HDD bay in, this one might not happen but theyr planning on downloadable content so it's back on the tables, well have to wait and see.
If Revolution does all of the above which it has either been rumored to, speculated to or confirmed to have done then the Revolution hits the jackpot... now this is where it gets interesting.
So revolution offers what the other consoles offer and even takes the other consoles in a few of the fields, now what Revolution needs is something to seperate itself from the crowd... something.. I don't know maybe "Revolutionary", bingo again, if Nintendo can honestly pull off something different that isn't seen as a gimmick then jackpot.. no doubt about it, rumors have been floating around about a control which is pressure sensitive as in the harder you squeeze it the faster you go if your in a racing game and there have been rumors about a controller getting hot in gameplay, I don't know what Revolution will offer but it has to be something interesting, if it is then seriously Revolution should see itself in second spot, I think Sony will own this generation yet again but whoever second spot goes to is questionable, if Revolution can pull off what we're all hoping it will then Revolution takes spot number 2.
Post by: pudu on May 17, 2005, 02:40:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Dryden
I think the DS / PSP comparison sounds about right, Pudu.
Microsoft is claiming a 13 to 15 times more powerful system, and Sony's claiming 35 times more powerful. Nintendo is 2 to 3?
By those numbers, I'd say the Revolution has roughly a fifth of the power that Sony is tossing around. This falls in line with everything we've heard so far, too - from the DS as a good indicator of their direction in the market, to Gamecube development tools being used for the Revolution, to the severe emphasis on innovation over power. But I'd say that Sony and Microsoft's new software with entire armies of individual AI is fairly new, never mind graphical improvements.
Here's what I think could save Nintendo's bacon:
1. And I've long said this, 3-D Display.
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He're the thing about 3D displays and 3D display technology: every single way of creating a true 3D image takes double the processing power. Due to images needing to be rendered for both eyes seperately the framerate is in effect halved. Talk about weak...take that 2-3x more powerful and cut it to 1-2x...this means it could be a gamecube but in 3d?
One good note: we all seem to be worried to heck right now...could this be Nintendo's way of setting our expectations so low and getting us so down that their show CAN'T dissapoint? lol
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 02:40:45 AM
Sorry, gang - but I'm calling out the IGN info as being false. the picture is too small - and noone else has it - and the info they leaked doesn't seem like it would be from Nintendo at 2:00am the day before an unveling. "According to Nintendo" my a**.
EDIT: I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong. Give me a few hours.
Post by: pudu on May 17, 2005, 02:52:25 AM
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 02:58:25 AM
Edit: I checked it was USA Today that has it up. Of course those guys are no NY Times...heh.
Double Edit: I can also tell you that n-philes and nintendojo are reporting this. As is my site but I can tell you I used IGN as a source.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 17, 2005, 03:07:03 AM
Specs wise...I'm disappointed. And IGN, as much as I hate them, tend to have their ways of getting this stuff before anyone else...
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 03:08:40 AM
Holy sh*t you are all frustrating....
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 17, 2005, 03:15:22 AM
Well at least this picture tells us that Rev will indeed be at the conference today.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on May 17, 2005, 03:17:25 AM
Post by: Caliban on May 17, 2005, 03:21:35 AM
About it's power, I thought alot people should have learned from experience already that Nintendo always underestimates its home-console power, well at least they did same thing with GC. So for now I just want to see footage and specs so I can make a decision that has already been made which is to buy it.
Post by: joshnickerson on May 17, 2005, 03:22:19 AM
Secondly, what the hell makes you think Sony and MS aren't simply LYING about their numbers? Saying s**t like "Yeah, the Xbox 360 can display TWELVE ZILLION POLYGONS" and under their breath say "when you take out any textures, lighting and every single special effect. Oh yeah, and only in black and white vector graphics."
...okay, I feel better now
Post by: Caliban on May 17, 2005, 03:29:17 AM
Post by: henryhund on May 17, 2005, 03:32:27 AM
Plus, was it not Microsoft who Photoshopped a bunch of Xbox screenshots before it came out?
Post by: slingshot on May 17, 2005, 03:39:35 AM
I am sure someone will come up with a "jacket" to cover the ReV in whatever lollipop junk you want. "skins" are popular with cell phones.
Post by: pudu on May 17, 2005, 03:41:58 AM
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Well a couple E3s ago, I seem to remember a company (cough, Sony) that said a certain system (cough, PS2) could do in the range of 110+ million polygons or something. Nintendo, on the other hand, said GameCube could do (how many was it? I'm not sure the exact number... Nintendo must have done a good job convincing me that numbers aren't importatn) like 3-4 million polygons. Everyone scoffed at GameCube's lack of apparent power. But that didn't really matter. When it came down to it, Nintendo underestimated its power and Sony VASTLY overestimated. Although things DID turn out in their favor.
Plus, was it not Microsoft who Photoshopped a bunch of Xbox screenshots before it came out?
This is very true. Nintendo got so much criticizm for releasing a more realistic 6-12 million polys/sec with effects on rather then Xbox 300+ million/sec. It must be said xbox looks better then gamecube in the graphics department as a whole but come on, those numbers were BS. It's all a marketing game and Sony and MS and good at it. Also consider this: to run at 60 frames a second you must always divide the number by 60 to get the actual polys that can be displayed. By Nintendo's estimates the Cube runs between 100k and 200k polys in a scene during a game and that's probably accurate.
P.S. sorry I like numbers and specs
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 17, 2005, 03:43:41 AM
They bring up that all game will be downloadable up to first party games for the gamecube. (They don't know if they are going to charge for the service, or have it for free. They says game from the arcade days of Donkey Kong to current games of Mario Sunshine.)
Then they bring up the power statement. It seems they are playing on ease of development for "all access gaming" as Kaplan puts it.
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 03:44:04 AM
So, if the X-Box 360 is 35 times more powerful than the standard x-box what does that mean? I mean, logically, it should say that the 360 can take Halo 2, and render it 35 times on teh same screen without dropping a frame. Come on people. How the hell can you be so stupid as to believe that? If you are, then don't buy a fricken Nintendo and stop posting on this site so I don't have to read your garbage anymore. Seriously.
Will the Rev be able to render the new Zelda 2-3 times on teh same screen? Almost definately... Is that an amazing thing? Sure as hell is. Are MS and Sony basically lying to the public? They sure as hell are. Is the public stupid enough to believe them? Most likely.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 04:07:41 AM
It's not really about falling for the ridiculous claims of the competition. Performance has legitimately improved exponentially in the last 5 years. It's fair to expect that with the new consoles. 2-3x better, even by Nintendo's conservative means, still suggests it may not be in the same league as the other platforms. You may need that much more power just to support higher video resolutions. What will that mean for textures and lighting? Will developers have to choose between VGA and high-quality effects or 1080i with lower quality effects?
It's definitely wise to hold judgement until we actually see some video. But the knee-jerk reaction thus far is still partially valid, at least for the moment.
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 04:10:25 AM
I think I just decided I hate E3.
Post by: BlkPaladin on May 17, 2005, 04:10:55 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 04:19:50 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 04:44:33 AM
You honestly think Nintendo is going to show videos less impressive than XBOX360? Does the XBOX360 look three times better than RE4? Hardly.Did IBM and ATI not say their chips were slightly more powerful than the 360?
For a bunch of 'IT'S GAMEPLAY NOT GRAPHICS, MORON!' Nintendo fans you guys sure are being quick to assume things we've every reason to believe otherwise.
Post by: Grant10k on May 17, 2005, 04:45:20 AM
But now I have seen a small, fairly jpeg'ed picture. I have tasted the forbidden fruit. I now crave a 1 Giga pixel photo that not only shows the revolution in action...it shows it's soul.
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 04:45:49 AM
I don't care how overstated the competition is, Sony said 35. Nintendo, knowing this said 2 to 3.
Nintendo isn't dumb, but this seems like an incredibly stupid move. Why admit you're last without revealing a strategy to make you first?
What are they planning to show us in 145 minutes?
(Also, still holding off on eating my hat.)
EDIT: I really like the new term IGN gave Nintendo fanboys: Revolutionaries. Makes it sound like a Holy War.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 04:59:01 AM
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Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 05:07:10 AM
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Dryden, you don't know when that quote was taken. ATI and IBM said it'd be slightly more powerful than the 360.
They did?
Regardless, you're right, Artimus. I'm just a little pessimistic after Sony's details on their processors. Here's hopin'.
Post by: Tanookisuit on May 17, 2005, 05:08:24 AM
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 05:09:36 AM
More pics at 1up. BIG pics. I like it. Beats the PS3 to a pulp and matches the XBOX360 easily.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 05:14:28 AM
IGN Cube
The hand model also appears to have perfectly peach skin, devoid of almost all detail. Very eerie.
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 05:15:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tanookisuit: Dryden, look what you made me do... you made me log in and post. I NEVER do this. I just had to say, shut up.
Yeah, you're right. For the record - I have to eat a hat now too with the 1up / IGN pics.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 05:16:16 AM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 17, 2005, 05:17:28 AM
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 05:20:12 AM
::rolls eyes::
I'm done now....You guys can believe whatever the hell you want.
Post by: Tanookisuit on May 17, 2005, 05:21:00 AM
(and sorry for getting bitchy with you, Dryden)
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 05:23:44 AM
yeah but games like Gears of War look amazing...
Nintendo cant bring on half assed graphics... they delivered with the console case now deliver with the rest
Post by: Tanookisuit on May 17, 2005, 05:24:45 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 05:27:00 AM
PS2 is 6.2 gigaflops while the PS3 is 218 gigaflops, thats about 36 times the performance.
Gamecube is about 3 gigaflops if I can recall, rumored specs would put Revolution at around 150 gigaflops, thats 50 times the performance.
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 05:27:33 AM
It would be rather interesting to see a Wind Waker type game in full-blown high-res cell shading. WW's resolution was actually low, if I remember right.
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Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 05:33:22 AM
As for graphics, I'll wait until I actually see some game footage to judge, but I do think Nintendo is being foolish to actually go with the "power isn't everything" stance. There's no reason to say that. Here's a clue, Nintendo: If it's really less powerful than the others, just shut up. If it's not, call the others on their lies.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 05:35:29 AM
The conference starts at 12PM EST. The Nintendo counter is off by 2 hours.
Post by: Arbok on May 17, 2005, 05:36:31 AM
Post by: Dryden on May 17, 2005, 05:38:53 AM
You know... reflecting on the tiny press snippet, the whole "download all past gen systems' game onto the Revolution" thing falls right into Nintendo's protection of their property. Basically, they created an all-in-one emulator that plays on your TV - that sure beats out downloading SNES games onto a PC, legal or not. Really - that's enough of a reason for me to pre-order one now. In fact... that service alone could cut into Sony's lead considerably. Even hardcore PS fans could justify buying a second system for the old-school games... then pick up a Zelda or a Mario along the way...
Here's hoping Rare / Square-Enix / Silicon Knights games are made available too.
Post by: Caliban on May 17, 2005, 05:42:01 AM
Edit: Oh so we will be able to download old games, and there are no memory card slots in sight...so does that mean it has a Hard-Drive?!
Edit: I'd wish that Nintendo logo on the side was in red instead of all shine-black.
Post by: Lemon on May 17, 2005, 05:46:49 AM
It's a Revolution!
Personally I think this is the sleekest, most beautiful console I have ever seen.
and I'm taking that 2-3x quote from Perrin as stupid humbleness, exactly the same as when Nintendo stated the polygon performance at the gamecube launch.
I'll wait until I see some actual specs before I start to weep about it.
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 05:55:18 AM
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It looks hideously dull. When I saw it my heart sank.
However, we have seen nothing of games, nor "revolutionary" features so I haven't lost hope yet
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Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 06:07:28 AM
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 06:07:46 AM
Personally, I think this is the best looking console yet. I'm relieved, actually, because when they started talking about how 'sleek' it was, it just reminded me of the DS and how they said it was sleek too.. which, in my opinion, it wasn't. At all.
However, I'm seriously worried about the innards of this thing. If it's going to be this vastly inferior to the PS3 and Xbox 360, it's doomed from the start. That is, unless Nintendo's figured out how to make pigs fly. I'll buy it, you'll buy it, but the general public simply won't go for the weakest console. Even if it is the sexiest ;-)
Post by: couchmonkey on May 17, 2005, 06:07:53 AM
To me, the design is not bad, but it is boring. Previous Nintendo consoles gave me the feeling that they wanted to be played with. Perhaps it was the whole "toyish" aspect of them. If I see a GameCube sitting around with power off, I feel like I should go turn it on and start playing. When I see a PS2 with power on, I feel like it's wasting electricity like my VCR or PC. That's not to knock on the games, either, there are a ton of games I'd love to play on the PS2. It just doesn't look like fun, and neither does this. The blue light is the only hint that there might be something fun to play with here.
Anyway, it doesn't matter in the big picture. This will go over much better than GameCube with the general public, which means it was a smart design choice, I just don't like it personally.
Post by: Caliban on May 17, 2005, 06:10:06 AM
I don't think I can hold it much more of this excitment and I have to go soon to university just to do a 2 hour exam, I think I will do it in an hour LOL.
Post by: Karny on May 17, 2005, 06:11:31 AM
Oh and w00t for the Revolution!
Post by: OptimusPrime on May 17, 2005, 06:12:39 AM
Remeber, superior technique beats superior power anytime.
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2005, 06:15:16 AM
Overall the system looks sexy, and most importantly it looks like Nintendo has learned its lessons from last generation.
I also do not put too much stock in the 2 to 3 times more powerful. Nintendo doesn't just power by the normal technical view we do. I think Nintendo judges it by what the new system can do compared the the Gamecube.
So 2 to 3 times more powerful games wise is quite different than 2 to 3 times tech wise.
I wonder how Nintendo will prevent piracy with downloading game content. The only thing I can think of is either having a virtual harddrive, or the games have code that expire and require you to re-download. I don't see Nintendo allowing us to have free games either. Perhaps Nintendo will use the old game downloads to fund online access for multiplayer games and such.
Hopefully, Nintendo will be smart enough to go back and recode some of the games to include online play. Like Goldeneye for instance.
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 06:19:54 AM
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Originally posted by: thame^ That is, unless Nintendo's figured out how to make pigs fly. I'll buy it, you'll buy it, but the general public simply won't go for the weakest console. Even if it is the sexiest ;-)
Then how the hell the ps2 sold much more than xbox and GC combined!!??
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 06:22:36 AM
the mac mini has a HD so i dont see the problem
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hen how the hell the ps2 sold much more than xbox and GC combined!!??
Once Rockstar has Revolutin dev kits then we will talk
Post by: blackfootsteps on May 17, 2005, 06:23:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Hopefully, Nintendo will be smart enough to go back and recode some of the games to include online play. Like Goldeneye for instance.
That's wishful thinking there!
I agree with your other points about pay-for-games type plans. It's definately a great sweetener along with the fact that online play will be free (has this been 100% confirmed for Rev?).
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 06:26:33 AM
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 06:27:43 AM
That is why MS is bad for the industry, because for some reason everything they say is taken as gospel by everyone... media, consumers, gods, etc.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2005, 06:28:24 AM
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Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 06:29:22 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 17, 2005, 06:29:44 AM
Let me just say. I am not thinking that online will be free. What I am saying is that Online will be supported and payed for by downloading older Nintendo games. Which means probably paying alittle more than you should for the games so that you are supporting the network.
Nintendo doesn't have to go for a harddrive solution. Really the better solution would be to go for Memory cards about 1.5 gigs in size. This way you can actually I dunno...take your games with you. And it has to be about that size so you can download Gamecube games.
I however won't be downloading any 1.5 gig games and waiting forever to play it. That is scary.
Post by: Pale on May 17, 2005, 06:30:07 AM
Post by: mantidor on May 17, 2005, 06:31:12 AM
Post by: Darkheart on May 17, 2005, 06:39:20 AM
Post by: Nile Boogie on May 17, 2005, 06:40:13 AM
Power is never the main issue in any generation of console. The most powerful system has never won its markert out right. Qui-Gon said it best "there's always a bigger fish".
Post by: hudsonhawk on May 17, 2005, 06:43:37 AM
My guess is that the games are streamed to your console over that internet thingy.
Post by: thame^ on May 17, 2005, 06:45:13 AM
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Originally posted by: thame^ That is, unless Nintendo's figured out how to make pigs fly. I'll buy it, you'll buy it, but the general public simply won't go for the weakest console. Even if it is the sexiest ;-)
Then how the hell the ps2 sold much more than xbox and GC combined!!??
Because it was the first on the market, and Sony's hyped up the console's power to death. In fact, I can still see Sony fanboys crying that the PS2 outperforms the NGC all over the interweb. But I guess you have a point there. Still, I can't see consumers buying Nintendo's console if it's the weakest, especially if it's the last on the market. Can you?
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 06:45:52 AM
as for storing data...maybe nintendo will finally make good on those sd cards....those are getting fairly big now
Post by: nitsu niflheim on May 17, 2005, 06:50:53 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 06:51:21 AM
Second, don't put too much weight into the 2-3x powerful statement. It means next to nothing. I think usa today or whomever it was put perrin's (paraphrasing) 'it's not the power, it's what you do with it' statement there just for dramatic effect. Even so, note that that is a lot better than saying 'it's not the power, it's the games, stupid'.
What I'm hoping is that Nintendo has learned the art of knowing when to downplay things, and when to, you know, surprise everyone by announcing the system is actually more powerful than the xbox 360. Then everyone will be like 'OMG! AMAZING! More powerful than the XBOX 360!' instead of 'meh. Not as powerful as the ps3, eh?'. I just hopee Nintendo isn't giving the mainstream media the chance to say 'on the one hand, nintendo has offered the most innovative console, on the other hand, it is the least powerful.' There should be no other hand. Revolution is comming out later than 360, it needs to match the specs.
15 minutes to go! Or...is that an hour and 15?
Post by: Michael8983 on May 17, 2005, 06:53:44 AM
If Nintendo wanted to it could probably claim the Revolution is fifty times more powerful than the Gamecube and it probably will be on some single technical aspect. But three times more powerful overall sounds great especially with XBox 360 game footage looking about on par with Zelda for the Gamecube IMO.
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 06:54:04 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:03:04 AM
Nintendo seems very confident this time around. Their design looks fantastic in its simplicity and the downloadable content sounds great... I can't wait to see what else they have to announce oh and the controllers I am sure are going to be freakin great as opposed to the odd looking PS3 controller. I'm sure they will have an awesome showing of games too ahhh can't wait!!
Post by: Artimus on May 17, 2005, 07:04:55 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:05:35 AM
Post by: Chode2234 on May 17, 2005, 07:08:50 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:10:16 AM
I'd be willing to say for free sites Nintendojo.com it had the Revolution pictures at like 6 am which seemed like a while before any other site.
Aside from that IGN.com I guess . . . I really wish I had Gamespot Complete right now just for this hour lol.
Though, they do let you watch the conference after it's said and done with: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3live.html .
Post by: Karny on May 17, 2005, 07:12:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Chode2234
Where is the best place to get E3 Nintendo info? As it happens?
probably here...
Post by: Chode2234 on May 17, 2005, 07:15:31 AM
Post by: RareWare on May 17, 2005, 07:20:56 AM
Post by: Karny on May 17, 2005, 07:21:13 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:23:24 AM
Post by: Mike_Tyson on May 17, 2005, 07:24:29 AM
http://gwmlive.streamos.com/256_ebms-e3video_050514.asf?ts=1116343007&ttl=43200&cs=D3D1F19EC1EFA53A8D145B0AE9065FDF97DDA37F
But you have to do me a favor and keep me updated as often as possible I can't view the stream because my XP is messed up, Windows Service Pack 2 did wonders!
Post by: Karny on May 17, 2005, 07:31:20 AM
Post by: Kakashixs on May 17, 2005, 07:32:44 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 07:34:21 AM
Roxors on.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 07:37:31 AM
I'm glad it plays DVDs. I love the idea of downloading old Nintendo games though I hope they do it right. I want the REAL version of Donkey Kong from the arcade not the crappy NES version they've been rehashing on the GBA and e-Reader. Still it's a big selling point and they're pretty much killing their ability to port old games for a quick buck to provide us with that service. If they can get some third parties on board for the download service they could really have something special.
I have concerns about backwards compatibility though. Can I plug my Cube memory cards into it? Because if I can't I'll NEVER use the feature. There's no point if I have to start all of my games over again. It looks like I can't use my Cube controllers which is kind of a bummer but it's no biggie.
How do I charge the controllers? Microsoft's method is brilliant. It has to be because I thought of it years ago.
I want to be able to charge my controllers as I play and I don't want to have to deal with batteries. I don't like Sony's method at all and I love Microsoft's method. So I want to know what Nintendo's plan for that is.Like many of you I'm concerned about the specs.
"'It's not all about having turbo power,' Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan told USA Today. 'It's about what you do with it.'"
Yeah that sounds like an excuse and I'm pretty tired of Nintendo excuses. "Quality over quantity" didn't fly with me and neither will this. The Rev MUST be comparible to the other two consoles powerwise or it's going to have really crappy third party support. Few would pick the weakest hardware for exclusives unless the weakest hardware was the market leader which this will not be. And ports would all be terrible. I'm hoping Nintendo is being overly modest. Though even if they are THAT'S a stupid strategy in itself. They downplayed the Cube's hardware and created the impression that the Cube was the weakest hardware. Why not lie when everyone else is? Why give idiots fuel to bash your console?
Still I'm only concerned about the unknown. I'm not totally disappointed which is good. So far I'm digging most of what Nintendo's offering here.
Post by: Karny on May 17, 2005, 07:51:13 AM
for all us text heads
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 08:56:43 AM
where are they gonna put all the electronics?
Post by: kennyb27 on May 17, 2005, 08:59:29 AM
Nintendo doesn't need eLeCtrawniks.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2005, 09:07:48 AM
I definately think that Spaceworld 2005 is a MUST, and they have to blow the lid off of the 360 @ that show and be comparable to PS3 if they want to make a come-back(to the #1 spot) in a big way
Post by: BigJim on May 17, 2005, 09:14:48 AM
At the same time, I understand that they can't stop promoting GBA/DS/Cube games. They have a full year of sales to promote until then. Talking too much Revolution mixes up the message. But... this was probably too little.
Post by: vudu on May 17, 2005, 11:59:06 AM
Post by: Unsung Zero on May 17, 2005, 12:00:49 PM
I think this quote, though in somewhat poor English, demonstrates that Nintendo will keep up with the competition in terms of visuals. Iwata notes that the competition has detailed their processor power and related it to display... by saying that Nintendo's technological advantages will have no bearing on gameplay, he must be saying they will benefit Revolution's visuals. Or mayhaps I'm just completely off.
(Edit: Typo)
Post by: Darc Requiem on May 17, 2005, 01:36:08 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
I like the way the Rev looks. All of Nintendo's other consoles looked like toys. This looks like a piece of electronics. That's GOOD. That doesn't alienate anyone. Both kids and adults don't mind electronics but several adults don't like toys. Though the thing kind of looks like a car radio.
I'm glad it plays DVDs. I love the idea of downloading old Nintendo games though I hope they do it right. I want the REAL version of Donkey Kong from the arcade not the crappy NES version they've been rehashing on the GBA and e-Reader. Still it's a big selling point and they're pretty much killing their ability to port old games for a quick buck to provide us with that service. If they can get some third parties on board for the download service they could really have something special.
I have concerns about backwards compatibility though. Can I plug my Cube memory cards into it? Because if I can't I'll NEVER use the feature. There's no point if I have to start all of my games over again. It looks like I can't use my Cube controllers which is kind of a bummer but it's no biggie.
How do I charge the controllers? Microsoft's method is brilliant. It has to be because I thought of it years ago.
Like many of you I'm concerned about the specs.
"'It's not all about having turbo power,' Nintendo's Perrin Kaplan told USA Today. 'It's about what you do with it.'"
Yeah that sounds like an excuse and I'm pretty tired of Nintendo excuses. "Quality over quantity" didn't fly with me and neither will this. The Rev MUST be comparible to the other two consoles powerwise or it's going to have really crappy third party support. Few would pick the weakest hardware for exclusives unless the weakest hardware was the market leader which this will not be. And ports would all be terrible. I'm hoping Nintendo is being overly modest. Though even if they are THAT'S a stupid strategy in itself. They downplayed the Cube's hardware and created the impression that the Cube was the weakest hardware. Why not lie when everyone else is? Why give idiots fuel to bash your console?
Still I'm only concerned about the unknown. I'm not totally disappointed which is good. So far I'm digging most of what Nintendo's offering here.
Well Ian, the Revolution has hideaway GC controller ports and memory card slots. As for the hardware power I'm not worried. Nintendo always gives specs with all effects at 60fps at the highest resolutions. So basically in HD mode with all effects the Revolution would be pushing out 24 to 36 million polygons. Thats just going by Nintendo's GC specsh. We all no that Rogue Squadron 2 pushed 13.2 million polygons and RS3 pushed over 20 million. So everyone think about that. Going by what Factor 5 pulled out of GC, that could be anywhere from 26.4 million to as high as 80 million. So I'm not worried. If the rumored specs are true the Rev will be ahead of 360 and possibly even PS3.
Post by: Galford on May 17, 2005, 03:55:24 PM
They released them the hardware figures and the people who knew how
to read them could see the GC was 2x powerful as the PS2.
Well then Nintendo watered down the specs to merely 1.5 more powerful...
(At least in the T&L department...)
Though the 2x3 spec does worry me a little.
Post by: mjbd on May 17, 2005, 04:35:28 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 17, 2005, 05:59:40 PM
Oh, and everyone please shut up about the "2-3x more powerful" bit...Back when polygon counts were talked about by Sony and Ninty before this gen, the PS2 "polygon count" was like FOUR TIMES what Ninty said the GC could do...Nintendo is modest, MS and Sony aren't...GOT IT?
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 09:45:08 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 17, 2005, 09:57:36 PM
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The Cube controller can't compete with the number of functions available on the X360 and PS3 controllers.
? are you referring to the duel shock and controler type s that have been put in new shells? I for one see nothing different between the dual shock 2 and the boomerang and the controler type s and the dreamcast carbon copy.
Post by: Obiyo on May 17, 2005, 10:15:50 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 17, 2005, 10:29:58 PM
Post by: Mario on May 17, 2005, 10:41:39 PM
Post by: Obiyo on May 17, 2005, 10:42:52 PM
Post by: PugGTI on May 17, 2005, 11:11:16 PM
However I think the new controller will be vastly different
Post by: vudu on May 18, 2005, 09:50:27 AM
Does anyone know if the cover for the GameCube side flips all the way up? If not, it will be impossible to use a wavebird receptor without breaking it off.
Unless, of course, the wavebird could connect wirelessly to the Revolution (with the need for the receptor). Which would just be sweet as hell.
Post by: Artimus on May 18, 2005, 10:19:38 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 18, 2005, 11:29:04 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Gamecube ports found
Oh, and everyone please shut up about the "2-3x more powerful" bit...Back when polygon counts were talked about by Sony and Ninty before this gen, the PS2 "polygon count" was like FOUR TIMES what Ninty said the GC could do...Nintendo is modest, MS and Sony aren't...GOT IT?
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