Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 01:08:53 PM
The best coverage seems to be on the BBC. Here's their report on e3, currently their top story in the technology section. It actually isn't biased in favor of sony or microsoft.
CNN. TV coverage has been terrible. Today they had a report where they said Nintedo "announced" that they would be "late" in the upcomming console race, missing the "crucial 2005 Holiday season" where XBOX 360 would be launching. They mentioned Nintendo's negative tiku tiku tiku! image, then said that, with Sony's apparent unveling on Monday (not sure if they meant today), it was looking like a "two horse race" this year (implying that the ps3 would launch this year).
But they actually have a fairly decent article on line here (though it does use the 360 as it's picture). It's currently the top story in it's technology section.
Microsoft-NBC. I haven't seen any TV coverage. The web coverage is pretty bad. Their E3 article mainly focuses on the XBOX 360, PS3 and (to a lesser extent) the new Zelda. It has a funny quote: 'nintendo will show off the next "Legend of Zelda." And with no single game dominating the E3 expo floor as in years past, it's a total guess as to which title or titles are worthy of praise.'
After Nintendo released some more information about the revolution, MSNBC released this article, which takes that information and puts it at the very end of the article. The headline is "Nintendo's Revolution will have to wait", and the article mangages to get a whole paragraph about the xbox 360 in before talking about the known details of the Revolution.
Haven't seen anything on fox.
So, yeah, mainstream media coverage sucks for the most part. Not that we didn't already know that.
Thoughts? Anyone catch more mainstream reporting on revolution?
Post by: nolimit19 on May 16, 2005, 01:46:41 PM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 16, 2005, 01:58:14 PM
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2005, 01:59:33 PM
As an investor in Nintendo the last thing I want to see is for them to try to "mainstream" their products. Microsoft has spent a mint trying to do that, and despite what the press may think, has failed mightily.
Post by: nolimit19 on May 16, 2005, 02:06:14 PM
Post by: ThePerm on May 16, 2005, 03:38:22 PM
Post by: LuWoo75 on May 16, 2005, 03:43:05 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on May 16, 2005, 04:51:07 PM
Post by: wandering on May 16, 2005, 04:51:40 PM
Actually, the cnn article did have a good quote on the matter: "While [the early launch] may tip the balance in Microsoft's favor, analysts said being first has often hurt game manufacturers in the past." I haven't seen anyone else say it, though.
What really kills me is that they completley miss the fact that while they chide Nintendo for being 'late' they completle fail to notice that beloved sony is doing the exact same thing. Furthermore, the media doesn't mention quotes where Nintendo said they would match Sony's launch date. And, when analyzing the upcomming launch, the media doesn't think to look back at other launches and draw comparisons. In fact, the media doesn't really seem to think much at all. Bleh.
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 16, 2005, 08:04:27 PM
Post by: OptimusPrime on May 17, 2005, 06:23:37 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on May 17, 2005, 07:00:53 AM
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 11:38:37 AM
and it's not half bad. I was expecting Nintendo to be completley trashed by everybody, but it doesn't really look like that's happening. The media seems to be eating the new gameboy up (http://www.cnn.com/TECH/). Same for the Revolution's extended backwards compatability...although the PS3 clearly still has the most hype.
Look at the offical playstation E3 board. (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=e3) Alot of people are going nuts over the 20-year year backwards compatability... and a good deal are ambivelant about the PS3. Look further at this piece on the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4555721.stm, where the reaction to the PS3 seems decidly mixed. Look at other message boards, where many seem surprised that Nintendo showed so much.
The press and reaction have been kind of bleh, because the presentation was kind of bleh. But the important thing is that Nintendo isn't getting bad press out of this, at least not yet. And, people aren't really writing off Nintendo's console either. Was Nintendo right after all? I think they might've shown just the right amount to stay on the mainstream radar...while saving themselves for Revolution's true unveiling that will send out massive shockwaves to be felt all over the world by gamers and non-gamers alike.
Or am I missing the boat here? Has the reaction actually been terrible?
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 11:53:54 AM
Post by: OptimusPrime on May 17, 2005, 12:03:22 PM
If Nintendo is smart they should trow in "The Wind Waker: Lost Scenes" and stuff like that. Heck, i demand the 64DD-version of F-Zero X!! online play + creat-a-track editor woohoo!
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 12:03:34 PM
The mainstream media doesn't know games, they know gadgets. The new Gameboy is a nifty gadget so they love it. Any gamer knows that the GBA is on it's last legs and will for all intents and purposes be completely obsolete by the time this new GBA arrives. But the mainstream press doesn't know that so they're blown away.
Same with the Rev. Gamers care about games and controllers. The mainstream media just sees a nifty gadget so they're impressed. It's small and high tech looking and that's all that matters to them.
Post by: NRevolutionR on May 17, 2005, 12:11:26 PM
There is plenty of postive coverage to go around.
Bleed Nintendo
I think that my, I mean , this site is really going to become popular and will take an active part in leading the Nintendo Revolution.
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 12:39:36 PM
The media thinks Nintendo did great at E3. How does that do anything but help Nintendo?
Post by: OptimusPrime on May 17, 2005, 12:39:40 PM
I do agree with Rancid Planet, what Nintendo is doing now is create a "under the skin" kind of feeling. A complete backwards compatibility of the last 20 years is every real gamers wet bed dream. What Nintendo knows need to do is start clearing up al those filosophical junk they have been spitting around, explain what they mean by "making it easy for making a game that only has a big idea" (which i call now the Big N "if those multi-million thrid parties won't help us then we'll make our own new third parties" masterplan), release some specs, maybe leak some screenshots, allow for some developers to start talking in some detail.
I'm betting they'll release some specs and explain some Rev-concepts in the coming days/weeks.
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 12:57:24 PM
Well obviously it helps Nintendo and that's good. I'm just pointing out why they would be impressed when we're not.
Post by: wandering on May 17, 2005, 01:03:08 PM
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I'm betting they'll release some specs and explain some Rev-concepts in the coming days/weeks.
Well, if they were planning on releasing specs why would they do it any other time than at their big conference?
More mainstream coverage:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4557443.stm
Top story in the BBC's technology section (hooray)
"Nintendo reveals its revolution - Nintendo shows off its new home console, the Revolution, but technical details are scarce."
MSNBC, on the other hand, is much less kind.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032118/?ta=y
"BRING IT ON! -Sony, Microsoft unveil plans for world, er, gaming domination -Nintendo unveils new Game Boy"
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 01:13:04 PM
Its still got a huge library of titles with a big presence in a lot of retail outlets and the largest installed user base of any current system on the planet. When a desirable title like Pokemon Emerald comes out, does its graphical inferiority keep it from moving to the top of the sales charts?
So long as the hardware is still on the market and the software is still selling, there's no reason for a developer to not keep making GBA games. And assuming the new GB Micro is sensibly priced (I'd like to see $50-$60), if you didn't already own a GBA, there's no reason not to get one.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 17, 2005, 02:42:41 PM
Look at the Cube, there are no games; they better have twice as many awesome titles as Sony at launch cause I know for a fact my Cube is covered in dust.
This kills me as a Nintendo fan because I have lost count of the years it has been since Mario 64, since the last Mario game. Unless you count the last Mario game to be Mario World. It has been a long time and since then we have gotten nothing but filler on the Cube from them. A vacum game, a water gun game, and twenty party and sports games. Where are the Mario Bros? Where is the game that made 2 player a fu**ing standard in this industry. The series that lifted the entire industry off the ground, dead weight and all, and then proceeded to lift it above its shoulders with arms out stretched and a hundred million units worth of muscle in its arms. Where has Nintendo gone.
Where are the original games?
Where are the real games? Nintendogs? oh god.
They were really going for safety with the numb dumbness of the press with what they showed for the REV. Obviously they didn't want to show graphics after the PS3 was shown, but what about a controller? At least a decoy version missing the revolutionary aspect. They could have even pointed out that the revolutionary aspect was not shown on the present model of the controller, but they showed nothing. The media can't see through the fog of games that we Nintendo fans already own that are offered through the universal backwards compatibility (didn't I suggest something like that in my original thread about "the crash of 05"). I like the backwards compatibility, but I wanted some meat. The casing is less important to me right now than what I play it with and what I play in it. The purpose of demos is to not only show off the innards of the casing, but the games. The games Nintendo, the games!
And one more thing. Why on god's green earth are they planning on releasing another FFCC? Why not something that carries positive baggage with it like a fully realised cel shaded FFTactics game?
Post by: Ian Sane on May 17, 2005, 02:52:47 PM
Because we all went out and bought it to try to encourage Square Enix support. I will take full responsibility for contributing to the sales figures for that piece of crap.
Post by: Arbok on May 17, 2005, 02:55:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Why on god's green earth are they planning on releasing another FFCC?"
Because we all went out and bought it to try to encourage Square Enix support. I will take full responsibility for contributing to the sales figures for that piece of crap.
lol, glad I wasn't the only one.
Still, the music was good, I will say that.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 03:29:48 PM
Where are the real games? Nintendogs? oh god."
They're on the DS.
I had a nap and woke up, and I isolated the thing that bugged me about the conference: they concentrated on the DS instead of the Rev.
When all's said and done, the conference wasn't so bad, really... it's just that we expected them to reveal the Revolution in all its glory. The media had no such expectations, so they're eating it up... whatever little of it there is to eat up anyway.
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 03:40:48 PM
You're not going to sell any Revolutions this year anyhow, so why spend too much time on it?
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 17, 2005, 03:51:38 PM
Either Nintendo isn't releasing at the same time as Sony or they missed the E3 they were supposed to pimp the Revolution for all it was worth at.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 03:57:13 PM
oh and that Attack of the Show dude is an idiot
Post by: King of Twitch on May 17, 2005, 04:12:34 PM
...Now I don't expect quality journalism from them, but I did expect them not to be mentally incapacitated (failure on both counts). 1950s COMPUTERS WERE HUGE, THEREFORE THEY MUST BE WAY MORE POWERFUL THAN TODAY'S!
Post by: Nosferat2 on May 17, 2005, 04:53:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Why on god's green earth are they planning on releasing another FFCC?"
Because we all went out and bought it to try to encourage Square Enix support. I will take full responsibility for contributing to the sales figures for that piece of crap.
I will abosolutley second that Ian. I have about 30 or so GC games. FFCC and Primal Rage(i think thats the name) are the only two games i have sold to Gamestop. FFCC, gameplay and fun wise, was utter garbage. It had very nice visuals at time and the music was very good. Overall though it was a POS.
Post by: Robotor on May 17, 2005, 05:26:29 PM
Also, apperantly Nintendo now caters to casual gamers, and Sony and Microsoft cater to the hardcore. Isn't that a complete role reversal? When did this happen, shouldn't you be more "hardcore" for owning a 'cube?
BAH! the media makes me angry, why should I care as long as I'm having fun?
Post by: Rancid Planet on May 17, 2005, 06:03:44 PM
And of course the G4 peeps were the least impressed with the Rev. The Rev showed the least. I mean the other two systems had video reels of game footage. It doesn't matter if any of it was real in game or not. They HAD something relating to next gen software and Nintendo did not. It's totally understandable.
Overall thought, besides the Rev news, it was quite the boring press conference. I don't want to think too much about Zelda because I'll spoil it for myself. I don't give a crap about the new micro GBA and I don't care about Nintendogs either.
But hey, there was NO WAY Nintendo were going to steal the show like they did last year. The surprise element was with them. We knew WAY too much this time about what they would show.
Post by: Savior on May 17, 2005, 06:09:56 PM
Did you not read the comments here???
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 06:39:06 PM
"Hardcore Gamers" sit around in clothing from Hot Topic playing marginal M-rated FPSes for a few minutes a day while wearing sunglasses and playing loud annoying techno-metal music.
They also convince their mommies to shell out $300+ for a PSP bundle and then use it primarily as a fashion accessory.
Post by: xproductionz on May 17, 2005, 07:02:49 PM
Post by: Obiyo on May 17, 2005, 07:04:42 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 18, 2005, 11:21:21 AM
So maybe the conference does seem worse to us because we expected more. After all we're only mad about what was not shown. We have no problem with what was. MS is getting flack for what they did show, because it wasn't very impressive.
Still being quiet will only be acceptable for so long. No one's saying anything bad about the Rev but no one's saying anything GOOD either. There's just no opinion. So Nintendo still needs to release more info within a small period time before they just plain lose out on the hype.
Post by: vudu on May 19, 2005, 03:16:01 AM
QuoteOnly problem is, Nintendo has partnered with GameSpy to bring the DS online. So they're not exactly an independent third party anymore, know what I'm saying?
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Gamespy has an article about the conferences with three editors giving their opinion of the three conferences. I was assuming that Nintendo would get ripped to shreds... but they didn't. They're excited about what they do know about the Rev (particularly the download stuff), they like Zelda, and they like the DS stuff.
Post by: Nephilim on May 19, 2005, 04:17:19 AM
im glad we dont have these moron's on tv in australia
"FPSes for a few minutes a day while wearing sunglasses and playing loud annoying techno-metal music"
I play dutch harcore techno while I play halo pc online, your comments make me smile....
Post by: Shift Key on May 19, 2005, 05:05:10 AM
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This kills me as a Nintendo fan because I have lost count of the years it has been since Mario 64, since the last Mario game. Unless you count the last Mario game to be Mario World. It has been a long time and since then we have gotten nothing but filler on the Cube from them.
Filler content? Oh snap, I must throw out all my Metroid Prime games, along with Wind Waker, Wario Ware, Mario Kart, Paper Mario and other games I can't remember, because you're totally right!
Sheesh, think about what you're saying here. You can only re-invent the wheel so many times when it comes to platformers before you get something generic like Crash Bandicoot or Lara Croft, so take some heart in the fact there is a DS Mario Bros game out, and the looming Mario 128. Just occupy yourself until then.Quote
When all's said and done, the conference wasn't so bad, really... it's just that we expected them to reveal the Revolution in all its glory. The media had no such expectations, so they're eating it up... whatever little of it there is to eat up anyway.
I heard a source say that the Rev wasn't going to be show at E3 at all (this was a few weeks out too) so I'm glad to see that they're progressing nicely, not abandoning the Cube already, and continuing to tempt me to throw down some cash on a DS. On top of that their next system is a really sexy console (online, WiFi, backwards-compatible, DVD-compatible, etc) so its really not as bad as everyone thinks. Its just those who were expecting another "Mature Zelda"-like announcement have come out disappointed.
I think Nintendo's going to reveal more details as the Xbox360 launch approaches, to detract the attention from their Dreamcast-style release plans, and then duke it out with Sony early next year. Well, I hope they do.
Post by: IceCold on January 07, 2008, 05:53:20 PM
I'm sure some of you saw this on Digg - but apparently, the Queen is hooked on the Wii
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The gadget-loving Queen has become HOOKED on Prince William's new Nintendo Wii games console.
William's girlfriend Kate Middleton bought him the £200 gift for Christmas - but he now has to share it with his grandma.
A Palace source told The People: "When she saw William playing a game after lunch at Sandringham she thought the Nintendo looked tremendous fun and begged to join in.
"She played a simple ten-pin bowling game and by all accounts was a natural.
