Post by: Artimus on April 24, 2005, 11:09:14 AM
Last chance.
The secret has been posted here.
Now, this is by no means official, and is technically another rumour. But maybe it's correct. For those of you who don't want to read, here is what it says hidden:
-...When an agent friend of mine was chatting with Rodriguez (there to pump Sin City and discuss his experiences with Spy Kids 3D), he mentioned how they were aware of a game machine beating [3D film supporters] to the mainstream 3D market.
-The next day, I contacted another strangely influential industry pal/pundit and shared my thesis purely for fun’s sake (and perhaps some extremely lame bragging rights). The final shiny block of tetrisy knowledge slid into place when he excitedly shared the following - that the Big N had shown a real-time 3D add-on for Gamecube behind closed doors…AT LAST YEAR’S E3. This is the sound of four rows dropping.
So, thoughts?
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 24, 2005, 11:20:31 AM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 24, 2005, 11:29:11 AM
1) You can't watch/play comfortably without the glasses
2) People who just can't process damn 3D glasses (my brain can't process the two images correctly, it's actually a medical/eye condition) are screwed.
3) The extra technology doesn't really add much to the experience, in my personal opinion.
So there you have it. This guy includes everything speculated in his cozy little article, so he'll get "something right," but I say that 3D imaging stuff is pure crap. If Nintendo fooled with the technology, they've abandoned it and patented it "just in case".
Post by: nemo_83 on April 24, 2005, 12:42:25 PM
Still this is not enough. People are looking for a revolution not an evolution. A revolution would be related to gameplay, this bit is related to the display instead.
Post by: ThePerm on April 24, 2005, 01:27:38 PM
Post by: wandering on April 24, 2005, 02:24:22 PM
I think 3d could a lot to the game play experience. And it seems poised to make a big comeback, at least in Hollywood. If Nintendo decided to stay off the bandwagon until 2012 or whenever, that could be a huge missed opportunity.
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Pft, I think that's bull. From what I've heard, and it's from a pretty reliable guy in the know, it will be played on a normal TV.
What if it can be played on a normal tv with glasses, a special monitor without glasses (which would be used in store displays maybe?) and, optionally, without any 3d at all?
Post by: Robotor on April 24, 2005, 02:33:36 PM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 24, 2005, 02:35:11 PM
Still, to me such a feature is about as gimmicky as they come. I've seen such displays at GDC the last two years, and they never wowed me.
Post by: trip1eX on April 24, 2005, 03:03:47 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 24, 2005, 03:36:07 PM
I'll buy into the 3d thing for now; that could offer some AMAZING looking games (assuming it's not crummy-Michael-Jackson-Moonwalker 3d)
does this fit into the "touching is good, feeling is better" rumor?
Post by: Savior on April 24, 2005, 03:48:05 PM
Post by: nickmitch on April 24, 2005, 03:49:48 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on April 24, 2005, 04:46:38 PM
but, if true, it is quite interesting there's stuff going on at E3 we don't know about. o_o
Post by: zakkiel on April 24, 2005, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 24, 2005, 05:08:36 PM
While I am no expert, I do remember my IT days in the Navy. Nothing the sort of 3d gaming ever came up in my training. However I do remember a technology called "Tempest", which allowed infomation to be pulled from a screen (computer or Tv) using the screens frequency and then rebroadcast in some kinda flux. Since all Tv's and Monitors use a freq. of 60hrz for the screen, Imagine if you will a full duplex transmission between the tv and the Revolution on the freq of 60hrz:
Revolution hooked up to the TV using Traditional methods, i.e. RCA, s-video, Componet Cables:
Now Imagine another signal from the Tv srceen in 60hrz that the Revolution picks up and then Retransmittis 0.005sec later that the Tv tries to pick up:
Last, insted of glasses, you would use a special light bulb that you could pulg in to any light fixture to see the second image being sent from the Rev. back to the screen on the same freq of 60hz only a tad later and in flux, kinda like a hologram and BAM, 3D gaming on a regular Tv with no glasses.
Now I know that has many, many holes and I'm probably missing some key facts to using "tempest" but with the limited info and rumors we have, this is the only crap I could come up with. Feel free to inject sense into this maddness of a post.
PLEASE BARE WITH ME AS I AM ONLY USING MY VERY LITTLE KNOWLEGE OF THINGS TO COME UP WITH A THIN OUTLINE FOR WHAT COULD BE REVOLUTIONARY"
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 24, 2005, 07:36:18 PM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
...taking it into 3D's not revolutionary by any means...
Everyone seems to be saying that a true 3d display is not a revolution but everyone is forgetting who exactly is driving the industry right now. Mainstream gamers and consumers are the force in the industry, not us who really take our gaming seriously. A true 3d display at an affordable price would be nothing short of a HUGE success. Just think about how new displays affect us. When we buy a new HDtv, plasma, or any other high end tv, don't we all pull out older games just to experience them on the new display. I know I will be playing Resident Evil 4 again whenever I move on up to HDtvs and complete surround sound. If a simple upgrade like standard tvs to High def tv could make us replay older games just to see the games with the new display, imagine what a upgrade from standard tvs to true 3d would be like.
I agree that this does very little to enhance gameplay but I'm all for it. If Nintendo can provide next gen graphics AND a true 3d display then this could possibly give me that feeling of jumping to the next gen. I felt it when I went from Nintendo to Super Nintendo and again with N64 and psx. The feeling was lost though with the move to the current gen and I don't see it happening again with this upcoming gen. Graphics have reached the point that little can be done to truely amaze us. The pictures I've seen of next gen games and the video of the next gen Madden have left me less than impressed.
It would be a fitting scenario though if you think about it. Nintendo ushered in 3d gameplay with the analog stick and Mario 64 and if this holds up to be true, they'll usher in the next level of 3d gaming with gyro powered controls (and who knows what else) and a 3d display.
Post by: Morales on April 24, 2005, 09:24:07 PM
I'd say the controller should be basically a Gamecube controller but with the b button in the original position ala the x and y. Have it be able to separate into two halves for gyro and one-handed gaming. Keep triggers how they are, but add in a squeezable grip button instead of another set of L's and R's. Finally, I'd just nix the camera stick. This "pda" device should essentially be a VMU with a nicer touch screen and alot more storage room. You could use it to store personal profiles, custom music, saved games, mods, extra goodies, etc. I can see it fitting in on the controller in the middle underneath the connecting parts. It will probably be sold separate ala a memory card. Otherwise the system will be over $299.
If there are glasses they should come with the mic and earpiece too.
If Nintendo can do this with a competatively powered system, a strong and free internet experience, and market it as well as they did the DS, then Nintendo may rule this next generation.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 25, 2005, 07:14:26 AM
EDIT: no i guess that would get way too hot..
Post by: KDR_11k on April 25, 2005, 08:20:07 AM
There have been 3d glasses for videogames since the early N64 days (I remember an article about 3d equipment and Shadow of the Empire), they were limited to PCs and never took off because of the headaches. I'm pretty sure even Doom 3 supports stereoscopic rendering but the number of people using it is low.
Simple red/green stereo images will work on any TV and are supported by many PC games, AFAIK.
Post by: slingshot on April 25, 2005, 08:33:19 AM
The 3 D that Lucas is talkin about , and I read that JAmes Cameron is almost done filming an underwater movie that uses this technology, does not require any glasses. How it works- I have no idea. But I read that the movies are in 3D, and have no funky colors. We may not be talking about flying over-your-head 3D, but the images come out of the screen enough to convey depth. Because you don't need glasses, people should be able to easily see the 3D effect. I honestly would not have thought this was possible for a home console yet- since I know it hasn't even hit theaters yet. But- I guess we should have an idea in 4 weeks.
For those that just want better graphics and nothing more- buy the EX or PS. For everyone that wants better graphics and a whole lot more- NINTY!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 25, 2005, 09:34:32 AM
If I remember correctly, didn't some "official" source say that it would be an existing technology used in some way not seen before. How has 3D on a TV not been used before?
Anyways, I hope this is not true. 3D is by far the most gimmicky feature Nintendo could of possibly came up with.
As for whoever's argument about 3D being a hit with casual gamers....ya, I can see that, just how I saw 3D theaters being a hit with the casual movie goer....
There was sarcasm in that if you didn't know.
Maybe there is some new way this technology can be used, but by BrokenSaints comments, it doesn't sound like it.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 25, 2005, 10:08:48 AM
But this 3D stuff, even if it is real, might not be all that Nintendo has planned. By itself it's nothing too amazing but as part of several features it could be pretty neat. The mic on the DS isn't that awesome but combined with 2 screens and a touchscreen it's pretty neat. Iwata said that the DS will give us an indication of what the Rev will be like. The DS' big advatange is that it has a lot of neat features which in theory provides more flexibility for game design. That might be what Nintendo's planning for the Rev.
So the Rev might have this 3D display stuff plus motion sensors built into the controller, traditional enough controller design to allow for Cube backwards-compatibility, wireless internet, hell let's throw in a mouse too. Combined that makes things more impressive and actually could provide an advantage. Having a whole bunch of extra stuff, provided the traditional options are still there, would make for a very flexible development environment.
Though while I think the DS in theory is designed really well I haven't been too impressed with the execution. If the Rev had a similiar "lots of features" design it could run into the risk of being gimmicky and getting some of the same criticism that the DS has. But with the right software such a design could work really well.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 25, 2005, 10:31:39 AM
I personally hope that 3D isn't all it is. I could be a cool aside, but really 3D could already be done this generation. All it involves is taking the game and splitting the image to allow for 3D view.
In fact, I thought there were 3D games on the Super Nintendo way back. Or atleast one...and it was horrible.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 25, 2005, 12:04:57 PM
Read the context, people. The guy was excited about stuff that will beat the movies to the screen. 3D theatres have been out for a while now.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 25, 2005, 12:10:33 PM
Post by: zakkiel on April 25, 2005, 03:19:05 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 25, 2005, 03:34:54 PM
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Unless Nintendo has discovered how to change the fabric of space and time or something, I think glasses are a given for 3d.
WRONG. One example I think that article also mentioned a couple other ways to achieve the same effect, glasses-free, but I'm not sure. Either way, it still targets the right and left eye differently, so people who had trouble with glasses will have trouble here.
I'm not saying this is the route Ninty is going in, I just like pointing out that people are wrong (another example is those "Magic Eye" things that used to print in the Sunday papers. You'd have to to just cross your eyes in front of the TV and slowly back away...)
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 25, 2005, 05:26:04 PM
actually im not criticizing 3d im just making a really really really really reallly really really really lame joke
Post by: mjbd on April 25, 2005, 05:36:22 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 25, 2005, 06:00:29 PM
I believe any screen could do 3D if the data is streamed into the screen at a very high frame rate with every frame switching back and forth between left eye and right eye so fast that the two images become one without any glasses.
Post by: Talon on April 26, 2005, 03:07:05 AM
I know it didnt take sony long to release the dual shock controller to counteract the n64's controller that not only featured an anolgoue stick but a rumble pak.
I tell you what if Nintendo manages to pull a stunt like this off sony and microsoft are going to be running around like chickens with their heads cut off
Post by: slingshot on April 26, 2005, 04:57:38 AM
you bogus naysayers weren't the ones working on the first airplanes! Telling the Wright bothers that they were crazy because only birds fly, and everyone knows that cars are the future of transportation- Flying- HAH, never going to happen.
Someone will do 3D propperly some day- and then we will see how great it can be.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 26, 2005, 06:21:15 AM
It does also leave cause for concern with people who have problems seeing 3D, hopefully Nintendo would take that into account. Anyway, I don't think this is the only thing Nintendo has planned, if it's what Nintendo has planned at all - don't forget this could be part of an arcade unit or something.
Post by: odifiend on April 26, 2005, 06:24:24 AM
Post by: zakkiel on April 26, 2005, 06:53:23 AM
QuoteI was kind of assuming that
WRONG.
QuoteIf you want to make the argument that Nintendo will require purchasing a special screen for which you must hold your head at exactly the right position while you game, be my guest.
it will be played on a normal TV.
Quote...about a foot, at which point the illusion will start disappearing.
I just like pointing out that people are wrong (another example is those "Magic Eye" things that used to print in the Sunday papers. You'd have to to just cross your eyes in front of the TV and slowly back away...)
QuoteI believe this would be an excellent solution if people could be trained to open one eye and close it while simultaneously opening the other and switch back and forth very quickly at a precise frequency to match the changes in the screen display. An ordinary screen has no method for "targeting" one eye or the other.
I believe any screen could do 3D if the data is streamed into the screen at a very high frame rate with every frame switching back and forth between left eye and right eye so fast that the two images become one without any glasses.
QuoteAnd thank goodness none of us skeptics were working on cold fusion, eh? We can all base our claims on bad historical analogies together!
SOme people are silly. 3D is awesome! The concept of it is great! So far the execution of it has not been great. I'm glad
you bogus naysayers weren't the ones working on the first airplanes! Telling the Wright bothers that they were crazy because only birds fly, and everyone knows that cars are the future of transportation- Flying- HAH, never going to happen.
It's nice that you find the prospect of 3d exciting. Enthusiasm isn't very convincing, though. It just tells me that you really think 3D will be amazing in some unspecified way.
Post by: trip1eX on April 26, 2005, 08:12:55 AM
another site
http://www.3dc.gr.jp/english/
it's the 3d consortium that many jap companies belong to like Sharp and Sony.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 26, 2005, 08:25:57 AM
This rumor, and the film director quotes especially, makes absolutely no sense unless Nintendo's found a way to get rid of the glasses.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 26, 2005, 09:24:32 AM
odifiend: In my case the eyes are misaligned, they point into slightly different directions which makes the two images differ greatly so the brain stops trying to reassemble the image. I have a little depth perception left but it's VERY rough, about 25% difference in distance to be able to notice it. I do see 3d effects with some methods but not all and it puts strain on my eyes and makes me dizzy. Magic eye never works for me, red/green works somewhat and whatever they're using in the WB Movieworld 3d cinema works perfectly (I had the glasses off for a few moments, those differences are so extreme they would never occur in any game situation, 90% distance difference). So it needs to be more extreme for me to notice it but I doubt they'd use such extreme values for games. Either way, my depth perception is bad enough to make me unable to catch a ball, use a rifle, chainsaw or a forklift.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 26, 2005, 11:12:52 AM
The more we discuss it, the more I truly don't see this happening. Maybe Nintendo has one cool 3D game coming out on the Rev... but that's all I'm willing to wager
Post by: wandering on April 26, 2005, 01:43:55 PM
Imagine being near in an in-game explosion and having debris fall all around you. Imagine falling snow in 3d, imagine fluttering insects.
Imagine, in Mario, having butterflies flutter in front of your face. Imagine, in Metroid, having enemy fire hit you in the face. Imagine, in Zelda, having the head of your horse right beside your face, and Hyrule castle way off in the distance. Heck, just imagine playing starfox in 3d.
Playing a game in 3d wouldn't be like a gimmicky 3d movie with things constantly being thrown at you. It would put you inside the world....
Post by: slingshot on April 26, 2005, 06:44:01 PM
you need those crazy glasses for the 3D that flys over your head, but maybe NIntendo came up with a way to make images just a little bit 3D. Nothing crazy, but just enough to say- WOW!
I think it is a cool concept- and as I stated before, I'll buy no matter what it is. I just want to see something, or hear something.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 26, 2005, 06:50:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
As for whoever's argument about 3D being a hit with casual gamers....ya, I can see that, just how I saw 3D theaters being a hit with the casual movie goer....
There was sarcasm in that if you didn't know.
Maybe there is some new way this technology can be used, but by BrokenSaints comments, it doesn't sound like it.
3d hasn't been a hit in theaters cuase all that's supported it has been crap. I would bet that if, say, Saving Private Ryan, Star Wars, and Spiderman were done in 3d that 3d would be a HUGE hit with casual movie goers. Spy Kids 3d is FAR from enough to make 3d a hit.
Anyways, 3d is the future, its the only natural progression for tvs, so I can't understand how people can see this as lame. If someone can provide me a video game system that can produce the same graphics as the conpetition but provide it in 3d, its a no brainer. Why would I want to play a game on a regular flat 2d plane when I can have it in true 3d.
Anyways, Nintendo is always putting time behind R&D so I'm sure they have their hand in this new 3d tech...not for the Rev but for future consoles. I would love to see this for the Rev but I think cost will keep it down. I wonder how much it'll cost to have the Sharp 3d lcd screen applied to the Next Gameboy though.
On a side note though, thinking back to that Nintendo patent with the mutli point display or something or other ( I know it has been discussed and established to be for a camera view in Zelda 4 swords) I always imagined a console in the same length as the ps2 but with a clamshell design. The top would flip up and it'll have 2 displays, one on top of the system and one on the other side of the clamshell (similar to the DS) I only got this idea becuase of the drawings in the patent but I have no idea how it could work lol. I don't know much about any of these new 3d techs.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 26, 2005, 07:15:05 PM
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Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Here you go:
Brooke got some things right, but much of it is flawed. I don’t know whether he just made up a lot of that stuff, because many of the points have been disproven before. For instance, Game Informer wrote an article on the next generation consoles in which it claims the Revolution’s controller will have one giant touch screen. I’m thinking this is where Brooke got that idea. The Revolution will not have a touch screen. Iwata has stated this before. The controller will be quite normal in the sense that it will have a d-pad and buttons. Like I said, I’m not going to tell you the revolutionary aspect of the system. Nintendo has some cool pre E3 plans for that.
First off, the 3D visuals he mentioned have nothing to do with the system. Nintendo isn’t crazy.
It will also have gyroscopic controls, but like Brooke said, not all the games will use it. For instance, earlier I mentioned Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution. This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other things. Our game isn’t using this function.
The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea? That’s why Nintendo is still trying to determine what to show at E3. From what I’ve heard, they will show the design of the system as well as games. I’ll tell you about the software later though.
The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement. This is another optional capibility. Someone on Nintendo’s board mentioned this months ago. They said that “touching is good, but feeling is better.” This may sound strange, but it provides great controls. Racing games will really be helped by this control setting.
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
From a graphical perspective, the Nintendo Revolution is very powerful. Many people seem to think this won’t be the case, but rest assured. The games I saw while working at Nintendo were very beautiful. I’ll tell you about those later.
As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?
That’s all I’m going to reveal for now. There are some very interesting games in the horizon for the Revolution; I’ll talk about them later.
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Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Like Brooke said, console ideas are nothing without good games. Once you see the games, you will understand. I would go as far to say that the Revolution isn’t as revolutionary as Nintendo is saying. It should be called the Nintendo Simplicity, because every aspect I mentioned greatly simplifies the gaming experience. For instance, the pressure sensitive grips on the controller make racing games much easier to control and play. Wave Race (yes, it will be at E3) is going to be very impressive because it will use this function. It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls. You squeeze it and you go faster. It’s hard to explain though.
Don’t expect to see too much if any of the controller at E3 though. Nintendo is still trying to decide what to show and what not to show. The games will be revealed, as well as specs and the system design. But the controller is still being considered.
To Jesus: when you see the voice controls, you will be blown away. Go back and watch some sci fi movies with voice controlled vehicles (such as AI or I am Robot).
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# Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
You guys are still talking about the 3D angle of that article? Check the date of the patent in question. This has already been used in a game that’s out right now. I would suggest you pay attention to IGN or N-Sider more.
Like I said, I’m going to give out some details on the next gen hardware, especially the Nintendo Revolution. You guys already know a lot of information on the Xbox 360; you guys have already seen the specs of the system. Gamespy released them around GDC. I was at GDC, and I’ll fill you in on some stuff that IGN can’t talk about. Specs and details on the Nintendo Revolution were given out to developers during the conference. I can verify that my company as well as EA and Midway received them at GDC. I’m positive other publishers received them as well.
From what I’ve heard, Capcom and Namco are sold on the Revolution and are currently playing around with the development kits. I don’t know whether they are actually making games for it though. I was suprised to hear that Square Soft has a game in development for the Revolution. It will be at E3 as well as some other next gen titles for the PS3.
I’m currently working on a game for the Revolution as well. I can’t guarantee that it will be at E3 though. I think people are going to be very suprised. When I worked with Nintendo, I was able to see the earliest builds of the system. It has come a long way, to say the least. There are a lot of graphics whores out there who feel the Revolution will be a weak system. They will be very suprised come E3. Microsoft is banking on stealing the show, but I think they will be upstaged by Nintendo as well as Sony. It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers.
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# Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 3:28 pm
I’m not going to share specs with you because they aren’t really that important. I think Iwata said something like that when asked the same question. All three consoles are going to be very powerful, trust me. I’ll give you some information though: it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360. Much more powerful. Many gamers seem to think it will be as powerful as the GBA or something. That isn’t the case at all. From what I saw during my time their as well as our game, it will be very capible.
But having the most powerful console doesn’t guarantee that gamers are going to buy it. Software sells the games. And if that statement holds true next generation, the Nintendo Revolution will be very popular.
In my next post I will “spill the beans” on everything I know about the Revolution. I’ll give you some hints though. All the rumors out there are not mere rumors. Some are planted by people who are working on the consoles. In fact, Nintendo is doing this right now with the information they’ve released on the Revolution. You are going to see why Nintendo hasn’t just come out and said confirmed that the Revolution is going to be very powerful. You’re going to be punk’d by them in a couple weeks. Pay attention to the boards, especially Nintendo’s board. It’s much better than OurColony.
Post by: RickPowers on April 26, 2005, 07:18:27 PM
I was hearing this SAME rumor for the GameCube back when the first shots of Super Mario Sunshine were coming out (looking like they were made to be 3D). I did some research, and found out that Nintendo had even bought a LARGE amount of 3D glasses from a supplier, roughly enough for the E3 press conference. But it never materialized. I figured the whole thing was just a wild goose chase, but I couldn't wrap my head around why this supplier with nothing to gain would tell me that Nintendo purchased the 3D glasses from them.
I don't think that there's anything to this rumor, but I find it very interesting just how persistent it is.
(For the record, you can do 3D games that use cheap glasses where one lens is simply darker than the other (or polarized). They can be mass-produced VERY cheap, and what someone sees on the screen if they are NOT wearing the glasses is nearly indistinguishable from a non-3D game. There have been recent TV shows that have used this effect, and it's fairly compelling.)
"For instance, the pressure sensitive grips on the controller make racing games much easier to control and play. Wave Race (yes, it will be at E3) is going to be very impressive because it will use this function. It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls. You squeeze it and you go faster. It’s hard to explain though."
I think that statement right there proves that this guy is full of crap. PS2, GameCube, and Xbox have pressure sensitive buttons RIGHT NOW. I can't see what Nintendo could do to make it have a more tactile feeling unless there is some sort of motorized spring that adjusts the tension or something. But I just don't get why this guy thinks this is so important. The pressure sensitive buttons on the PS2 don't even get used that often, because they cause finger fatigue.
I guess we'll less than a month from being able to sort all this stuff out.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 26, 2005, 07:43:55 PM
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Post by: PaLaDiN on April 26, 2005, 08:42:27 PM
I heard that the technology actually 98% efficient now, not sure if that's true... I think people have been let down by crappy voice recognition in cellular phones and games before, but if it actually works like it should, it really should be amazing.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 26, 2005, 09:05:39 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Those are some tasty rumours, but I'll keep my mouth taped shut until E3 of course...(Though I know of a certain PGCer that would kill for another WaveRace...
Bill, does that mean you also know some info that your not sharing?
lol
Post by: Savior on April 26, 2005, 09:10:11 PM
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Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution
The Time Splitters, Perfect Dark, Fanboy in me just drooled. Is it Metroid Prime Revolution? Geist II? or something new...
the other stuf... ho hum
Just kidding
Post by: Ian Sane on April 26, 2005, 09:11:49 PM
I would assume that the Wavebird, which is obviously no secret, is what gave MS the idea. The fact that both will use wireless controllers is common sense, not stealing ideas. It's a natural evolution of what Nintendo gave us this gen.
One thing that is very convincing about the stuff Truthliesn1seyes posted is that it doesn't come across as a fanboy dream feature like most of the less believable rumours. The things mentioned are cool but also logical and somewhat realistic. Most rumours are retarded stuff like "A Link to the Past 2!!!" and virtual reality. The only thing that seems really unbelievable is the grips thing because I don't quite understand what it even is or if it's feasible. If it's fake it gets full points for creativity and for being presented in a well written way.
I LOVE that online setup. That ALONE would give Nintendo a huge advantage. It fits Nintendo really well which is why it's so believable.
I don't understand how gyroscope controls would work for a Halo killer though. The whole Halo killer thing is a little fanboyish. It's a great idea and realistically I could see NOA considering it but it's such a blatantly obvious idea that I kind of doubt Nintendo would do it. They're, well, spazzed at the best of times and offering alternatives to competing killer apps isn't really their thing. Of course they could, get this, learn from their mistakes. HA!
Post by: Savior on April 26, 2005, 09:19:29 PM
and hopefully they dont hype it as a halo killer... Killzone was supposed to be a Halo Killer and ended up sucking...
This is of course if those rumors are true
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This sounds really fanboyish though, but it would be hilarious if Nintendo attempted to steal Xboxs hype...
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 26, 2005, 09:26:20 PM
I WISH! I meant along the lines of me saying whether this is believable or not
(which is hard to figure out)The only thing that seems really unbelievable is the grips thing because I don't quite understand what it even is or if it's feasible.
How so? Just picture some type of "cushion" that you squeeze as a button...But as being technically feasible, I'm not an expert...
It's a great idea and realistically I could see NOA considering it but it's such a blatantly obvious idea that I kind of doubt Nintendo would do it.
Could you see Reggie suggesting it? Hmmmm?
The Time Splitters, Perfect Dark, Fanboy in me just drooled. Is it Metroid Prime Revolution? Geist II? or something new...
I'll put in my two cents and say it's an original project by Retro...
Post by: Savior on April 26, 2005, 09:29:02 PM
makes me think its Prime III... using the gyros for visors and things... Hopefully im wrong cause Prime and Halo are unfairly compaired...
Post by: joeposh on April 26, 2005, 10:37:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Savior
That would be cool... but gyroscopes are used...
makes me think its Prime III... using the gyros for visors and things... Hopefully im wrong cause Prime and Halo are unfairly compaired...
If legit, I doubt it's an existing franchise. The last Metroid didn't sell so hot and has never been a real First Person Shooter. Besides, if you're gonna throw around the term "Revolution", the last thing you want to do is offer a line up full of the same old faces.
If Nintendo really wants to toss a grenade right into Microsoft's camp, they'd produce a unique property that shows that they can still come up with new franchises and cater to that mature fan base without sacrificing all the things that make them special. That mesh of tradition with innovation/evolution would really set the tone for the new generation and hopefully begin to change the average gamer's perception of what Nintendo is all about.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 26, 2005, 10:50:21 PM
The online setup is enough to make even Paladin gag! ahaha
As for voice-command. I hope. I loved sending a team into a building in Socom.
Ian: Gyroscopic controller for a FPS is next best thing to actually holding a gun, and shooting the sh*t out of the screen....and oh ya, virtual reality.
It would allow for human-like control, while being incredibly easy to master.
In response to the pressure sensitive grips, that would be sweet. If anyone has ridden a motorcycle or even seen one used, you know that they turn the right handle or throttle to go faster. However, what do they do right before they turn the throttle? The squeeze the handle for grip. So basically, pressure sensitive grip simplifies that whole problem with turning the controller.
As for WaveRace being at E3 or even being created....dear God I hope so. It's one of the best racers by far......FAR!
The only thing that would make my day even more would be a Diddy Kong Racing sequel, or a MarioKart that doesn't just pertain to karts. I mean, who hear didn't have fun racing around a hovercraft?! Joint-Adventure was a dream come true.
E3 is looking better by the day. Attach the possibility of this being true to the Zelda pics and coverart, and you have something special.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 04:47:20 AM
One thing is interesting though...if you are going to have a browser voice recognition would be great to type and chat and such.
As well I might point out that the Browser in the rumor sounds more like a closed network. I don't think it would have full internet access, but would have an E-mail, Chat, and Message Board system, and the online Magizine.
I could see Nintendo making all the above free, but then making money on game downloads and such. I you hard of Micro-payments? I think that is what it is called.
It's a suggested new way of buying information on the internet. Instead of larger fees you build of Microfees that are like 25 cents here and there for the individual information you get. Then you get a bill at the end of the month that adds everything together. It usually allows you to pay much lower prices for your information.
Imagine Demos, extra levels and such available for 25 cents to a dollar. You can either sign up with a credit card or get a bill sent to you in the mail.
Post by: slingshot on April 27, 2005, 04:55:29 AM
HELLO- CHAT ROOMS- you talk live like on the phone through the headset- OR- you dictate words for the REV to type into text. Sweet!
The SQUEEZE grips are nothing more than analog shoulder buttons placed on the handles. The L and R buttons were pressure sensative in Star fox right? I can't recall. But on the Rev they are just covered in something softer so they don't feel like buttons. I'd still wager that there are buttons under that grip though.
Post by: slingshot on April 27, 2005, 05:00:38 AM
Or how about in a Zelda game where you have to lift something heavy, you will have to squeeze harder to lift it than if you lift a lighter object. (once you have lifted the object I think you shouldn't have to maintain the SAME ammount of pressure to keep holding it, just maintain some pressure, and when you want to drop it, release the squeeze entirely.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 05:44:39 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 27, 2005, 06:18:10 AM
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April 27th, 2005 at 3:43 am
Did I say Rare was developing the FPS? Sorry guys, my mistake. As you know, Rare is Microsoft’s property. I meant Retro. Once again, sorry about the typo. Another thing: this isn’t another Metroid sequel I’m talking about. More later.
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April 27th, 2005 at 4:43 am
“Deepthroat, I don’t think it’s good for you to be lieing to people.
The secret lies directly with the visuals, but it is NOT full 3D. Jesus, E3 is not far off. Just wait till then. You will all be happy. Oh, and also expect a Devil May Cry game at E3 for Revolution.”
I did not post that, nor did I link to Retro Studios. Someone is either playing a game or trying to discredit me. Like I said, Capcom has development kits for the Nintendo Revolution. I have not heard any information on what they’re doing. According to EGM, they are working on Resident Evil 5. I have a feeling that it will be for the Gamecube and/or the PS2, but I may be wrong.
Once again, I apologize for the Rare typo. I meant Retro. I know they are working on a Revolution game, which will be a FPS. I’ve seen it, and I can verify that it will not be the third Metroid Prime. It will be an original IP. I do not work for Retro. When I was with NOA, I visited their studio many times. Outside of the FPS, they are working on a DS game. As N-Sider pointed out months ago, Retro were once working on a car combat game to challenge Twisted Metal Black. This game was scrapped for the Gamecube, and they were given Metroid. They have expanded greatly since the success of the first Metroid Prime, and at E3 they will reveal some of their work.
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April 27th, 2005 at 5:06 am
In my opinion, the split was do to arrogance on the part of Nintendo. As Matt from IGN has stated many times, both companies view games very differently. Silicon Knights games were not selling well on the Gamecube, and Nintendo was not treating them with respect. I really think this was a terrible mistake. You will know more about the break up before E3 hopefully. They have some stunning software ready for E3. They aren’t playing around anymore.
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April 27th, 2005 at 6:10 am
Silicon Knights is not developing for the Nintendo Revolution right now. They will show off some Xbox 360 games at E3; I can confirm that. Matt saw the game, and he knows what they are up to. Once he is able to talk about it, he will reveal his information to you.
Like I said, I know as much about Resident Evil 5 as you do. I would guess it is going to be a current generation game. If Capcom could have it ready for the holidays (to combat the Xbox 360), it would come out then. But that’s just my own speculation (and hope; RE4 is amazing).
I can confirm that Nintendo is currently working on many Revolution titles. Most are just in the planning stages, but I have seen video of seven. I’m sure at least three or four of these games will be at E3 in video form. Perhaps more; we will see at E3. Outside of our game, there are six 3rd party games that I have heard of. As I mentioned earlier, Square Enix (happy now?) is developing a new game for the Revolution. EA, Sega, Zoonami, Namco, and Activision are currently working on games.
3rd party information:
EA is playing around with the Revolution’s capibilities, implementing them into another Madden game. This isn’t really news though. From what I’ve heard, they are really going out of their way to make this more than just a port. Voice controls are being used to the max in this title. Calling out audibles will be used this way. The wireless capibilities of the system are also going to be used. Like I said, there will be no reason to buy Madden for the Xbox 360 when the Revolution version comes out.
Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.
Zoonami has already given out some hints on what they are working on. I have always felt that Sam Fisher is a much better character than Solid Snake. Zoonami just might have some characters that are better than both of them.
Namco is working on a Revolution game, but I don’t have details on it. I am sure that it is not a Soul Caliber III port. I don’t see why they just won’t add online play and Link and Ganon to the game and release it as a launch title. That would be a very smart move.
Activision is working on some ports for the Revolution. You will see what they have for the Xbox 360 at E3. At least one of these games will be ported to the Revolution for its launch.
On 1st party information:
Like I said, I have seen seven Nintendo titles, some of which will be at E3. When the DS was launced, it had one sub par 1st party game. This will not be the case with the Revolution’s launch. If they were to release all the games I’ve seen at launch, it would easily be the best launch ever for a console.
I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.
A new Super Smash Bros. Melee is in the works as well. This game will demonstrate the online functions of the Revolution. Nintendo has added many new things into the game, included a deeper combat system. Many more special moves are included as well as some very cool suprises. The levels will include some destructible environments, and the characters will be fully customizable. Want to play as Mario in his 80’s outfit? Or would you prefer the 90’s look? It’s your choice. The most innovative part of the game is the different modes. In previous games, you were allowed to play in giant mode, metal mode, small mode, etc. That has changed. You will be able to choose to play in a “Paper” mode (a la Paper Mario), a cel shaded mode (Wind Waker), or Viewtiful Joe-esque mode.
As I said earlier, Retro is working on a Halo killer. This game is going to be one of the best games at E3. In my opinion, StarCraft was the best RTS ever. This game is going to use some similar ideas. In most FPS, you play as a hero trying to save the day. In Retro’s game, they allow you to choose which storyline you want to play, just like StarCraft allows you to play as Terran, Zerg, etc. Biological weapons will play a major part in the game. Imagine fighting in a chemical plant, where toxics are stored everywhere. By shooting them, you emit the toxic. If you get hit by this stuff, many different things may happen. For instance, you may lose sight on the screen, your controls might be inverted or slowed down, etc. Or, if your character gets the fever, the controller might get hot. Very hot. The alien races are very interesting also. You will be able to switch to 3rd person in order to move faster (similar to running in Odd World: Stranger’s Wrath). You will be able to “impregnate” human players by grabbing on to them for a certain amount of time. This will implant a NPC in them, which will burst out at your command, instantly killing the human player. You will then be able to use voice control to command the NPC.
I will reveal what I know about the other four games later.
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April 27th, 2005 at 6:28 am
Like Reggie said, Nintendo is changing. They aren’t going to sit around and let Sony and Microsoft steal all of their marketshare. I think they are going to do very well next generation. But it won’t be a cake walk or anything. I still think the PS3 is going to win the next generation. It is alot closer to completion than many think, and at E3 they will show off some amazing stuff as well.
I will tell you guys about the other four titles later. Zelda is not one of them, although I have seen some preliminary designs for the new one. Go look at the Elder Scrolls: Oblivion pics, and then put Link into those environments. A beautiful sight indeed.
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April 27th, 2005 at 6:43 am
Monkey C: He’s not my co-worker. I don’t even know him, unless of course someone else from my studio is on this blog. That is an interesting idea, but not close.
With respects to the Mario game, it is not Mario 128. Mario 128 is a Gamecube game, and it should be shown at E3 this year. The Mario game for the Revolution is still in development, and right now Miyamoto is just using it as a tech demo so to speak. There is a story and everything, but the game is far from finished. I think everyone will be very impressed by it.
There is too much info here for me to get into at the moment. An interesting thing though is the mention of the controller getting hot as an affect of the toxins in Retro's FPS. Could this mean that the control will be able to play with your senses? I remember hearing the rumor about that a while back during the "touching is good, but feeling is better" rant of rumors.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 06:19:30 AM
Post by: trip1eX on April 27, 2005, 06:33:08 AM
I would love it if it were true but ...it ain't.
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 06:57:38 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 06:59:05 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2005, 07:41:16 AM
The thing that really sounds unbelievable is Super Mario 128 and a new Mario Revolution game being different as if Nintendo could somehow release two Mario platformers so close together. Though I suppose Nintendo might not be planning on having a new Mario title at launch. Perhaps they feel a new FPS will be enough and Mario 128 will sell with Revolution buyers anyway because of backwards compatibility. But what would that leave Japan? An FPS just wouldn't sell consoles over there like it would here. Maybe SSB would be enough for the Japanese launch?
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 27, 2005, 07:50:34 AM
If he is to be believed then as for him knowing so much about Nintendo, he was an ex NOA employee. I'm sure he still has freinds there that he keeps in contact with. I'm guessing thats how he's getting so much info. As you can tell, most of what he knows is Nintendo specific. He knows very little on what 3rd parties are up to besides that they are playing with the hardware or developing for it.
Post by: mantidor on April 27, 2005, 08:14:14 AM
Post by: joeposh on April 27, 2005, 08:30:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
Well I, for one, am not going to just come out and call this guy a lier since I, like everyone else here, have no proof to support the claim. For now, I'll take it as it is, a rumor. I have to admit though, as others have claimed, that this is the most profesional rumor thus far. Everything he has said is logical and believable. Nothing is really far fetched.
If he is to be believed then as for him knowing so much about Nintendo, he was an ex NOA employee. I'm sure he still has freinds there that he keeps in contact with. I'm guessing thats how he's getting so much info. As you can tell, most of what he knows is Nintendo specific. He knows very little on what 3rd parties are up to besides that they are playing with the hardware or developing for it.
Very true and he never stated he worked for Sega... simply that Sega was publishing the game he was currently working on. Still whenever someone goes out of their way to post this much "information" on a blog, you have to wonder what their motivations are...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 08:31:42 AM
Nintendo isn't going to be showing developers all there games and information to all these people. He is at most a low end artist or programmer, because anyone else wouldn't be posting this much information.
As well he has basically said Nintendo is corporating every rumor possible into the controller.
I am sorry but the controller is not going to use:
Gyroscopes,
Pressure sensitive grips,
heat sensors (whatever that feeling stuff is called),
all in one affordable? controller?
Also, he just seems to paint the E3 show too big. If Nintendo showed all what this guy is telling us then they would absolutely rule the entire show, but also completely de-value the Gamecube. Nobody would care.
I call BS and just hype.
Post by: joeposh on April 27, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
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>_< Im not liking this, they put too much enphasis on voice recognition, and for me that sucks. There are two posibilities, Nintendo will make us spanish talkers to talk in english, which Im definately not looking forward too, or they will translate, and translations are usually done by Spain people or mexicans, and their spanish is just horrible! T_T Im now afraid of the future.
While that concern doesn't really apply to me, it is my central problem with what he is saying here. Is Nintendo really going to spend the money to intergrate voice recognition support for every major language? That seems like a rather daunting task (although I admitedly know very little about the technology in question), especially from a developers perspective.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 08:49:39 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 08:54:18 AM
Can any of the journalists that have friendly connections make some personal calls and at least varify if the claims are bogus? I am pretty sure some body knows someone that is atleast willing to say: "Yeah thats just junk." Or if some of it is true: "Wait and see you may be surprised."
Post by: zakkiel on April 27, 2005, 09:11:42 AM
QuoteI think that right there gives the game away. I join everyone else in calling BS. BS I would love to believe, of course. And it's entertaining.
I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2005, 09:21:08 AM
It's not worth it because the answer we'll get will likely be "no comment". Even if it's false we'll get that answer. Nintendo only confirms if something is false if it's is damaging like recently when Odama was "cancelled" or if it affects their stock price.
This information has created a problem. I'm seeing it being commented on on several forums. It is raising people's expectations of the Rev so if Nintendo doesn't deliver they might be criticised more than they deserve. It's like that certain m-word rumour. That had NOTHING to do with Nintendo but people were pissed that Nintendo didn't "deliver" on a promise they never made. Here we have a scenario that not only is great but is very feasible and would be a good strategy on Nintendo's part. So if Nintendo goes into E3 and says "the Rev's a power glove" it's going to REALLY let people down because now we have not only a cool idea of what the Rev could be but really what it SHOULD be. This stuff is awesome and it's exactly what Nintendo should be doing.
For a long time I've been worried about E3. Iwata has said some weird ass scary sh!t that suggest the Rev being somewhat on par with the Virtual Boy. At the very least by having low expectations there was a better chance of them blowing me away. Now I'm EXCITED about E3 and the Rev (and I feel pretty good as a result) so I'm going to have higher expectations which might not be good for Nintendo if they don't have anything too impressive. It's not Nintendo's fault if some guy fabricates some very believable and cool stuff and they don't deliver. But it is their fault if they're not in tune with what people want to see and what people will find impressive. They SHOULD have something this cool. Some guy making stuff up shouldn't be a problem because if they're on the ball they'll deliver something impressive even if that's the same exact thing.
Hmmm, I've kind of lost track of what my point was.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that expectations are high and Nintendo has to deliver and they shouldn't be at a position where lower expectations are needed to impress. Hopefully they aren't.
Post by: joeposh on April 27, 2005, 09:23:12 AM
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Originally posted by: zakkielQuoteI think that right there gives the game away. I join everyone else in calling BS. BS I would love to believe, of course. And it's entertaining.
I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3.
I'm not following you on this one... exactly how does that give away anything?
Post by: Artimus on April 27, 2005, 09:32:52 AM
And I hate myself for even considering that. Should these rumors be true, however, it'd be another story. I think I'll wait 6 months to a year before getting any new console, though. (after launch)
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 09:33:59 AM
Also, Nintendo might be wise to release information if everyone starts believing this. Just let us know now if its all bogus or is some of it is. That way E3 won't be disappointing.
The guy talking about showing games and not the controller makes me think that Nintendo will in fact show video of its games, and maybe have someone play the games at the conference...that is more than we speculated before.
I love the rumors and its getting me excited, I just don't want a huge letdown and just want a small one. *LOL*
Post by: OptimusPrime on April 27, 2005, 10:08:12 AM
If E3 is finally there and that long expected Nintendo pre-E3 presentation is about to begin i suggest everyone to meditate and get their head clear of all these rumors. There is very very little we know about the Revolution and hyping it all up isn't going help Nintendo if they don't deliver. The best way to approach this E3 is emptyheaded, stting back and saying to yourself "Ok Reggie/Nintendo/Iwata, bring me your Revolution" and enjoy...
And on a personal note: I'm from Belgium, work for a up-start belgian gamingsite and i love games in general while Nintendo has a special place in my heart.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 27, 2005, 10:31:48 AM
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Ok. Now I am with everyone else. Too much BS.
Nintendo isn't going to be showing developers all there games and information to all these people. He is at most a low end artist or programmer, because anyone else wouldn't be posting this much information.
As well he has basically said Nintendo is corporating every rumor possible into the controller.
I am sorry but the controller is not going to use:
Gyroscopes,
Pressure sensitive grips,
heat sensors (whatever that feeling stuff is called),
all in one affordable? controller?
Also, he just seems to paint the E3 show too big. If Nintendo showed all what this guy is telling us then they would absolutely rule the entire show, but also completely de-value the Gamecube. Nobody would care.
I call BS and just hype.
? You say Nintendo would never show there games to developers and all these people. What proof do you have? Why can't Nintendo showcase their games to other developers to help them illustrate what exactly is so revolutionary about their system. I'm sure there are alot of companies that are suspect of Nintendo and what better way to get these companies on your boat than showcasing your own stuff. Nintendo needs to be in the front lines, setting the example for all the others to follow with their system. They are the ones talking about creating a revolution, so it'll be them to support their claim then the rest will follow.
Also, this guy says he was an ex NOA employee so did you ever think that thats how he got to see or hear about these games and details. You can also figure in that he still is in contact with some employees from Nintendo since his time there, and they in term have kept him in the know. I'm sure if he's buddy buddy with someone that they'll easily share details on their prospective games.
As for you comments on what the controller will be. Show us the cost for all these features before you say it can't be done. How much exactly would gyroscopes cost to use in a controller? Nintendo didn't invest in gyros for nothing. The pressure sensitve grips could be nothing but analog buttons covered with a rubber grip. How expensive can that be? I don't know about the heat thing though so I won't comment on that.
Your last comment on Nintendo outshining the Gamecube with all these announcements, what exactly are you expecting from the pre E3 conference? All that this person has stated is just right for the pre E3 conf. A display of system design, specs, the theory behind the system and some video footage of games is just the right amount of info on the Rev for this E3. Sony, MS, and Nintendo will all showcase their next gen systems with their pre E3 conference. The following 3 days will then showcase this generation.
Post by: ikpl56 on April 27, 2005, 10:49:48 AM
Post by: trip1eX on April 27, 2005, 11:09:06 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 27, 2005, 11:52:07 AM
The technology has come a long, long way. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo just had to buy various language packs to get recognition in different languages.
I loathe the emphasis on online in these rumors, but everything else is pretty cool. Although, does anybody seriously believe Nintendo will do all that?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 12:05:10 PM
Post by: zakkiel on April 27, 2005, 12:54:50 PM
QuoteIt sounds like a fortune cookie.
I'm not following you on this one... exactly how does that give away anything?
Not at all up on voice-recognition, but couldn't they just have players speak the relevant words into the microphone a couple times when they make a new profile? Seems a lot easier and probably more accurate then having a fixed language base.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 27, 2005, 01:17:31 PM
Except that to really be worthwhile it would have to have a relatively large dictionary.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 01:18:33 PM
I am not saying that Nintendo isn't showing games and concepts for developers...I am sure they are showing alot of it. What I am saying is that I have doubts on how many people they are showing these details too, and how much details they are sharing.
Key game producers, designers, and directors from the major companies of Capcom, Sega, Square-Enix, Konami I am sure have signed NDAs and have seen major components of the Revolution software and they probably have prototype development kits. However, that doesn't mean all the programmers, artists, and developers have seen and played all these games.
Remember 3rd party developers are still competition to Nintendo and can steal ideas to create their own games.
The guy says he used to work for NOA, well first we have to believe him...his entire story could be false...but lets take that for truth. Then, he may have SOME inside information. But again the same arguement from above, not everyone of Nintendo's programmers, artists and such will have seen and played Revolution games. They are seperated into teams and we are not sure that ideas are shown and shared to all teams and all players in the company. This is how leaks get out is by sharing too much to too many people. Nintendo is pretty good about controlling information which makes me believe they have major NDAs and share information with limited sources.
About the controller I don't know how much it will cost to produce everything into one controller. But, don't you think it is odd that every single rumor about the Nintendo controller has been rolled up into one single controller. Every rumor has had truth in it. Every rumor no matter how far-fetched.
It could be possible, but to me I think we are dealing with a vastly expensive controller if all the elements are inside it. I don't know the cost, but I am positive it will be much more than current generation controllers.
This is not to say that I hope he is lying. I hope everything he says is true. In fact, I am not completely discrediting him because I don't want to give up this feeling of excitement and hope...but I am also not going to sit around and blindly believe all of this. It's too good, and really too much information.
As it stands if this information was true revolution will be launching with:
A new FPS that will be catered to the American audience with online play
A new Mario game
A new Smash Bros. (That the information for just doesn't exactly make sense)
and
3 more Nintendo games
Hmmm....it just sounds too good to perfect to be true. Since when did Nintendo ever first cater to the American audience in games?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 01:23:54 PM
You haven't been reading recent Reggie quotes have you?
Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2005, 01:48:22 PM
A new FPS that will be catered to the American audience with online play
A new Mario game
A new Smash Bros. (That the information for just doesn't exactly make sense)
and
3 more Nintendo games"
When the Cube was first shown it was heavily implied that the following titles would be released during the launch period:
Luigi's Mansion
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Super Smash Bros Melee
Pikmin
Eternal Darkness
Star Fox Adventures
That's six, the same amount of titles rumoured here, yet only four made it. I think it is entirely possible that Nintendo might be working on six games with a general goal of releasing them for launch. In the end we might not get all of them but it's isn't unbelievable that they're working on it. Plus I don't think the new Mario is specifically mentioned as a launch title.
"it just sounds too good to perfect to be true. Since when did Nintendo ever first cater to the American audience in games?"
I will agree that it sounds too perfect to be true but that's based on Nintendo as we currently know them. Although not a given, it is entireably possible that Nintendo has actually improved and has decided not to be a bunch of dolts anymore and realizes how important is to have a fair amount of games near launch. This isn't really that exceptional it's merely exceptional for Nintendo. I'll bet MS will publish six games for launch. Nintendo wasn't always totally spazzed.
Though looking at other forums this Ares guy is posting even MORE stuff and the whole thing is getting so detailed it's becoming pretty unbelievable.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 27, 2005, 01:53:07 PM
Grrr, do your research, people! Reggie has already confirmed Ninty's push for a good launch...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2005, 02:36:35 PM
Fair enough but we've heard all sorts of stuff from Nintendo reps and their opinion of "good" isn't always the same as ours. They thought the DS launch was good so I don't consider Nintendo reps as a valid "source" for what is entirely opinion to begin with. I'll agree the promise is there but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 03:02:02 PM
But at the same time, its certainly plausable. Working in a high position in NOA, maybe quality control? he can comunicate with third parties, make friends and know this much?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 27, 2005, 05:32:12 PM
What I mean about the launch is simply that the writer is designing a perfect launch of games to cater to everyone. Launches are never perfect.
You just aren't going to launch with the perfect mix of games for an American audience, Fanbase, Hardcore gamers, older audience, and younger audience. No launch in the history of a system has been that good. (Well perhaps the SNES launch, but even then.)
I personally have no complaints about Nintendo. If you read my posts you realize I am one of their biggest fans and supports. I hope all of this is true, and I hope Nintendo is completely doing this and more...but I just doubt it.
Too much information. Too detailed. Too perfect to what fans want. It's like what Ian said earlier about the rumors of A Link to The Past 2. Its title is geared towards fans that love a certain game...too geeky.
Well, when we start reading the details about Super Smash Brothers Melee it just looks like a calaboration between what we love about Nintendo. Really what is the difference between 80s Mario and today's Mario? How do you customize characters that have always had a set appearance and design. I hope I am not allowed to put Link in a wife beater and torn jeans. That's too fanboyish right there.
The concept of launching with a Halo killer is also fanboyish. Nintendo isn't thinking the one thing we have to launch with is a Halo killer or we won't succeed. Nintendo creates good Nintendo games and hopes those games are great enough to attract an audience, they don't look at the market and try to design what sells.
The Stuff mentioned about Nintendo's Online Plan...actually sounds exactly like Microsofts plan, except in different terms and free. Once again it just sounds like they are writing what we hope is true.
Then what I mentioned about the controller.
This doesn't exactly discredit anything they person is saying. And it could completely 100% be true and more.
It just once again sounds too good, and too detailed to be true...and I for one pray I am wrong.
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 06:25:46 PM
April 27th, 2005 at 6:43 am
One thing I want to mention is that I plan to post pictures of Wave Race for Revolution in a couple hours. These are renders of levels, characters, etc. It’s something to look out for.
I really do believe that the next gen graphics will all look the same. On the other hand, it’s all going to come down to one thing. What system will you get the most power out of? It surely won’t be the Xbox 360. Xbox 360 will look nice for the first couple years, but then you’ll ask yourself, “So wait, that’s it?” You’ll see what I mean.
Whoever is trying to inpersonate me is a joke. I am not going to reveal any screen shots; that would be suicide. Besides, I don’t have any of Nintendo’s games.
Moz: Remember, Reggie has already confirmed that it will be for the Gamecube. I’m not the first one to say that. I don’t see where it fits though. Zelda is coming out in November, and I doubt Nintendo will release Mario 128 at the same time. But does that mean it will be released early next year? I doubt that. We’ll see I guess.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 7:02 am
No, I don’t work for Ubisoft.
I would say the development world is very excited about the next generation of consoles. As I talk to people, I get the sense that everyone wants to explore this new territory. Everyone wants to make the next Super Mario Bros. With respects to the Revolution, there was some hesitation to develop for it. Now, everything is different. As you all know, the development costs for the Xbox 360 are very high. The same can be said of the PS3, although it is easier to develop for than the Xbox 360. But with the Revolution, everything is cheaper and easier to navigate. All the features I mentioned greatly expand what we can do with games. People are looking forward to this machine, don’t worry.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 7:13 am
Nintendo has alot of money, and finally they are throwing it around. As Reggie stated once, Nintendo actually paid for the development kits for the DS and sent them to certain developers. They are doing the same thing with the Revolution. Many aquisitions are going to be revealed at E3.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 7:36 am
More on the games:
As I mentioned many times, a new Wave Race is in development, and it should be at E3. Many people wrote off the Gamecube as a weak, baby console, but the Wave Race game on it proves that it is very capible. The water effects in that game are amazing; they still look very good today. With the new Zelda and the water in it, Nintendo is again showing how good they are at what they do. But I think this Wave Race is going to top everything out there in respects to graphics. It is going to be the GT of water racing games. You will be able to around in many different levels, all of which will sport many obstacles for the player. For instance, one early design I saw had a racer avoiding enormous cruise ships, which could destroy your speeder if you got too close to it.
One of the more interesting games I saw was a totally new IP. Outside of Geist, Nintendo has never really worked on a “mature” game. This all is going to change. They are working on a 3rd person action game that is very, very interesting. When Ninja Gaiden came out, I remember hearing that Aonuma was really into the game. I found this very interesting, but I didn’t take much interest into the story. Later, one of my co-workers showed me what he was working on. Nintendo, along with Hideo Kojima, are working on a futuristic action game. There is a reason why Kojima isn’t directing the next Metal Gear game. He’s been working with Nintendo on this game. In many ways, it reminded me of a apocolyptic, futuristic version of Zelda and Ninja Gaiden mixed. The earliest ideas I heard involved a cult of humans (humans are near extinction) who are menacing a cybernetic country. In the game, humans were almost wiped out by a race of higher beings, who then created cybernetic humans to take their place as rulers of the planet (not earth). The main character is one of the synthetic robots. Very, very interesting. I only got to see this one time, and I pray it will be at E3.
More later. I haven’t been getting the amount of sleep I thought I would during my break. I will talk about a couple more games later. I’ll also clear up some rumors floating around about Camelot and what they’re up to.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 7:47 am
“Nintendo Revolution will be teh Never Happening. TLHBO!”
Idiot. I think I have given you guys a lot of solid information, and on May 17th you’ll see that I have been very truthful. Like I said, I will post more information about games later. There are a lot of hateful people out there who can’t stand Nintendo, and I think that is being demonstrated by these impersonators.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 8:15 am
Once again, you will see at E3. I think this year’s E3 is going to be Nintendo’s rebirth. The Revolution will suprise many, many people. On many occasions, Nintendo has stated that the DS is a great example of what they want to do with the Revolution. This isn’t the best example in my opinion. Both systems do have voice control, and the online systems will be somewhat similar, but outside of that they are totally different.
The Revolution, Zelda, and the DS announcements are going to make this E3 Nintendo’s. Sony also has some very interesting tricks up their sleeves.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 8:35 am
Paladin: You are very correct. Nintendo is known for being very secretive. I felt that hurt them this generation, but in 19 days you will be very happy. Last year, they suprised everyone with the new Zelda game. No one knew it was in development. The Gamecube has some more suprises up its sleeve, including Mario 128. Although many people may be disappointed by it, it is a stunning game.
With regards to the Revolution, many people still don’t expect it to be anything. As I have pointed out, it will be very impressive. Although it isn’t as powerful as the PS3, it still is capible of many things not seen in gaming before.
The DS has also seen alot of bad press lately, and rightfully so. Nintendo dropped the ball on the launch. But once you see some of the stuff they have lined up for this year, you will be very suprised. I love the PSP, but the DS just will have superior software out on the market first. Of course, I don’t know much about what Sony will show at E3 concerning the PSP. Whatever it is, I doubt it will be more interesting than Mario Kart, Metroid Hunters, and some of the suprises Nintendo has ready.
Then some guy made a good post asking Aries why (if he's telling the truth) he's willing to break the NDA and risk his job and future jobs...
Aries replies...
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 8:52 am
Hesitant, you make some good points. I feel I haven’t released enough details to violate anything. You still don’t know who I work for. If my company is upset, I’d be very suprised.
Most of the leaked information on the Xbox 360 is false. Spong has been working overtime to release as much “info” that they think they heard, and they hit a home run every now and then. They got it right about the wireless controllers for instance.
Nintendo is very secretive. But even when posters revealed the DS to the world, they didn’t do an investigation or something like that.
If I revealed the “revolutionary” aspect of the console, gaming sites would take notice. Nintendo would also take notice, and they would probally find me. So far no one has come close to discovering Nintendo’s secret weapon, which I find quite interesting. I’m not the only guy out there revealing information on the Revolution. But I think most people don’t want to ruin Nintendo’s plans. If it was revealed, E3 wouldn’t be as interesting.
Because I work for a developer, I am connected to many different people who know more than I do. We are all waiting for E3 like little kids wait for Santa Claus. Once it gets here, the flood gates will be opened. There are many sites and magazines out there that know a whole lot about what’s going on, but they can’t reveal it yet. For instance, Matt from IGN has a lot of details on Silicon Knights as well as their game. He just can’t tell you guys yet.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 9:02 am
After E3, I’m sure many people will dust off their DS’ and start getting excited. Like I said, Metroid Hunters and Mario Kart are very good games. NST gave people a mere glimpse into what they are doing with the Hunters demo. The final version will be very different and much better
As you know, Nintendo will release details on the online plans for the system. That will be very interesting.
Nintendo has three Mario games in development. One for the Gamecube, one for the Revolution, and one for the DS. Like I stated earlier, Mario 128 will be a Gamecube title. The Revolution game is early in development, but it will be shown at E3 in video form. Once Mario 128 is completed, I’m sure Miyamoto will go back to work on the Revolution followup.
Retro isn’t working on a new Metroid. The game I mentioned earlier will be their first Revolution title.They are also working on a DS game.
I can’t comment on the disk format, because that would give away far too much. All I’m going to say is that the disk format will play an interesting role in the “revolutionary” aspect of the console. The battery issue is also involved with this part of the console, so I won’t comment on that either.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 9:06 am
Camelot is not working on a new Golden Sun game. They are not woring on the DS either. Before I left Nintendo, they began working on the Revolution. They are working on creating a new RPG to combat Final Fantasy, which is strange. Square Enix is working on an RPG for the Revolution’s launch, so I don’t think Camelot’s game will be a launch title. If Square Enix leaves Sony (which is not a big if), they could possibly rejoin with Nintendo. Or they could wind up with Microsoft, but I doubt that.
# Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 10:01 am
The peripheral shown at E3 2004 had nothing to do with 3D functionality. Brooke’s points on that were pure speculation. I can confirm that a peripheral was shown there.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/542/54....html?fromint=1
“Earlier today, Nintendo confirmed that Mario Party 6 will employ a microphone, settling a prolonged bout of speculation. Nintendo fans have been spouting rumors across dozens of message boards ever since Nintendo publicized its desire to introduce a new peripheral to the marketplace. Fans entertained all sorts of ideas, the most bizarre of which saw Nintendo releasing a re-vamped Power Glove.
Well, it’s not a Power Glove. It’s a microphone.”
So does that convince you? Brooke didn’t look into that information enough.
This stuff is far, far too good to be true... Its a Nintendo fanboys dream
Post by: Caillan on April 27, 2005, 06:50:24 PM
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There are a lot of hateful people out there who can’t stand Nintendo, and I think that is being demonstrated by these impersonators.
This makes me the most suspicious. This and the fact that so much information was rleased in such a short period of time. It reinforces the idea that this is just a fanboy telling everyone his dream. Having said that though, the rumours are at least possible. None are particuarly farfetched. A guy from Gamespy also said something about SE jumping around next generation too, and I do recall before last year's E3 someone saying that 128 was in development for the Cube. Kojima working with Nintendo makes sense as well.
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 06:53:26 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 27, 2005, 07:39:23 PM
Today's Mario wears blue overalls with a red shirt. Prior to Super Mario Bros 3 he wore red overalls with a blue shirt.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 27, 2005, 07:57:06 PM
"Nintendo has alot of money, and finally they are throwing it around. As Reggie stated once, Nintendo actually paid for the development kits for the DS and sent them to certain developers. They are doing the same thing with the Revolution. Many aquisitions are going to be revealed at E3."
Not bloody likely.
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 08:00:16 PM
the pay for DK makes sense... a way to appease some third parties...
aquistions? makes less sense... unless its aquiring Factor 5 fully as a seccond party (Something they should have done eons ago)
Now it seems Brooke is calling this Ares out... wow... it gets interesting
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 27, 2005, 08:26:29 PM
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 08:29:08 PM
Brooke Burgess Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 8:08 pm
“I’ve been following this blog for awhile now, and I must saw I find it quite misleading. Is this a publicity stunt? For the record, I can 100% guarantee that the Nintendo Revolution will NOT use 3D images a la Spy Kids 3D.
I worked for NOA for 5 years, and I am now currently working with a major 3rd party developer who happens to be working on all three next generation consoles. I’m not going to give out the company name, due to obvious reasons.”
First off, this isn’t some publicity stunt. It was information that was gathered over the last couple years. Second off, I make it clear in my article that nothing is fact. It is all information I have gained while being in the industry. If you look at my information, most of it is right on target, while other information might seem kinda stretched. I will go as far as to say that my theory on full 3-D stereoscopic technology WILL happen. I just have way too much evidence to back it up. I would also like to say how amused I am that this has hit almost at 1000 replies.
Second off, you aren’t a developer. Because if you were a developer, your IP for most of your posts wouldn’t be coming from “Fifth Third National Bank.” You are making up these stories try to wet these people’s appetite. Too bad your little stories aren’t up on IGN. First off, you claim to be a third party developer. Not even Rareware or Silicon Knights knew about all of the projects that Nintendo had in development for GameCube. Realize something. There is a reason IGN posted my story.
Let me tell you why IGNCube posted my story. Because there is going to be a followup story on Friday. Sorry to grill up your perfect little fairy tales, “Aeris”. Now go back to working at your bank.
Post by: mantidor on April 27, 2005, 08:49:34 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Really what is the difference between 80s Mario and today's Mario?"
Today's Mario wears blue overalls with a red shirt. Prior to Super Mario Bros 3 he wore red overalls with a blue shirt.
and in the original Super Mario he has red overalls and a green shirt, a color combination awfully similar to Freddy Krueger's outfit, thing that just came into my mind right this second, weird
Im with everyone else, all this its just too good to be true >_<
Post by: Mr. Segali on April 27, 2005, 08:54:48 PM
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Originally posted by: mantidorQuote
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Really what is the difference between 80s Mario and today's Mario?"
Today's Mario wears blue overalls with a red shirt. Prior to Super Mario Bros 3 he wore red overalls with a blue shirt.
and in the original Super Mario he has red overalls and a green shirt, a color combination awfully similar to Freddy Krueger's outfit, thing that just came into my mind right this second, weird
Im with everyone else, all this its just too good to be true >_<
I'm pretty sure Mario had red overalls and a brown shirt.... same brown was used for his hair, mustache, etc. Luigi had the green, (with white overalls.)
Post by: Savior on April 27, 2005, 08:55:13 PM
Now i wish i hadnt read those Ares bits... the idea of a New FPS was so exiting that if its not going to happen its going to disapoint me.
Post by: mantidor on April 27, 2005, 08:58:12 PM
Post by: Artimus on April 27, 2005, 09:03:32 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 27, 2005, 09:50:22 PM
I must say, it is a sad day for the human race. I can't believe people are still so prejudice and racist, it makes me sick.
If you don't know what I'm refering to, many, many bloggers posted comments of how black people ruin the GameCube and how they only play shoot em' ups and sports game to remind them of the ghetto.
How can people be so stupid and so hateful?
Post by: WuTangTurtle on April 28, 2005, 01:15:49 AM
Games are games and it should stay that way.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 28, 2005, 01:58:20 AM
Post by: slingshot on April 28, 2005, 03:17:25 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2005, 05:49:00 AM
Oh well, it was a fun wild ride while it lasted. I am glad he was discredited pretty quickly, but I am sad because we probably won't be getting anymore fun rumors for awhile.
Though that IGN follow story could be interesting...wonder what will be revealed?
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 28, 2005, 07:04:06 AM
Post by: mantidor on April 28, 2005, 07:21:05 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on April 28, 2005, 07:45:40 AM
I'll have to keep up on this one...though I'll try not to get too excited about it, it's a fun read.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2005, 07:51:34 AM
Although I figured Aries was full of crap pretty early on I really wanted to believe because it was so great and was pretty feasible. Nintendo SHOULD be doing something similar to what Aries was talking about. It's exactly what fans want.
Virtually nobody liked hearing about the 3D display stuff because it wasn't what anyone wanted. If Nintendo does that they're telling us what we want and that's been their whole problem for years. Aries' ideas is what they should be doing, Brooke's is what they should NOT be doing.
No one wants to believe that the 3D display stuff is real. Everyone wants to believe Aries' stuff. Here's a hint Nintendo. Whatever the Revolution is our reaction to it should be similar to how we reacted to Aries' ideas.
I guess I'll go back to lowering my expectations so that I can "fool" myself into being blown away at E3 regardless of what is or isn't shown.
We'll see what up on Friday I guess.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 28, 2005, 08:02:23 AM
The fact that he mentions a bunch of awesome games and leaves out the "revolutionary" secret also makes his rumours more fun. I don't think Broken Saints claimed to know everything about the Revolution, but it didn't claim that there was even more cool stuff to reveal, either.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 28, 2005, 08:10:34 AM
**** off, Ian...Someone who doesn't know you are a complete pessimist could easy take that as trollbait...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2005, 08:47:25 AM
You wound me, sir.Anyhoo I'm lurking at N-Sider and Aries apparently has denied he's a bank clerk yet anyone can post under any name on Broken Saints so there are "fake" Aries posting stuff. It looks like the "real" one has responded anyway so perhaps I can stick with the fantasy a little longer.
I'm in denial but I don't care DAMMIT!
Post by: mantidor on April 28, 2005, 09:34:15 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 28, 2005, 10:45:16 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2005, 12:20:01 PM
What's the point? How does 3D help design better games? How does it create a new experience in gaming? How does it not actually make games more complicated to play.
There are just alot of questions about the 3D thing. It may be true, and when we see it it may be incredible...however, we just don't know.
Now, the comments between which people to believe and which rumors are true are hard to follow.
The followup story on Friday could give more support for Brooke, but then again, that doesn't completely discredit Ares.
I hope someone continues to post the links and quotes because they are fun to read.
Post by: Savior on April 28, 2005, 12:37:50 PM
Who knows...
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2005, 12:52:50 PM
If there is no story on Friday then it kills the credibility of "Brooke". Therefore if it's an impersonator it would be in Brooke's best interest to shut this guy up before Friday evening. Otherwise people will blame him. If he reveals it was an impersonator after the non-story then no one will believe because it will just look like he's covering his ass. If he nails the phoney now then he looks innocent.
So "Brooke" is either the real deal or the real deal is oblivious to what's happening on the message boards of his own site.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2005, 01:15:15 PM
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Aries said on April 27th, 2005 at 6:10 am:
Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.
He said that he does not work for Silicon Knights who is developing a game w/ Sega right now. But he did mention that he is developing a game for Sega right now. So what developers does Sega work with? Or does he now work for Sega?
Post by: Famicom on April 28, 2005, 01:20:08 PM
Real or not, I'm going to TRY and block most of this info out so I can jump up and down at the E3 press conference like I did last year when the Zelda trailer came up.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 28, 2005, 01:31:00 PM
That's possible I guess. Nintendo has a real mindshare problem. A lot of people are already ignoring the Revolution before it's even debuted. So creating a bit of an internet buzz would be a pretty good way to attract attention to an E3 presentation they might otherwise have not shown much interest in.
Someone on N-Sider made up an interesting point in regards to how this guy is able to reveal all this stuff without Nintendo coming in and kicking his ass. If they bust him we'll know that he knew something. By not even acknowledging it we don't know what's real or not. Even denying something gives us some information. Knowing what the Rev isn't is knowledge in itself.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 28, 2005, 01:56:23 PM
Aries is the God of war, correct? Reggie likes a fight. OMH! IT'S REGGIE!!!
Nah, more likely this guy wanted a name to suit the crapstorm he planned to start.
Post by: Savior on April 28, 2005, 01:57:35 PM
and Sega seems to be subsidizing and publishing American games from other companies like Matrix Online.... i could see the same situation happening here.,
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 28, 2005, 02:03:16 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Aries is the God of war, correct?
Ares is the Greek god of war, not Aries...
Aries is the ram astrological sign...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 28, 2005, 03:03:01 PM
Post by: Galford on April 28, 2005, 04:52:09 PM
but let me tell you a little story...
I interned at IBM some years ago during the summer of 2000. During the course of a company event, I got talking to an EE. During the course of the conversation I learned lot's about his job and what like to do, namely, videogames. Since we both liked videogames, we started talking about Project Dolphin.
Anyways, he told me something about Dolphin which wasn't publicly known at the time, namely that Dolphin would use 1T-SRAM as it's main memory.
Needless to say, I didn't believe him so I kept my mouth shut on the Internet. Couple months later when Dolphin became Gamecube, he was proven right. He gave a scoop and I didn't even know it.
Moral of the story,
you would be surprised what lonely enigneers have to say when they have no one to talk too all day.
I don't what else to post. Nintendo is being really quite right now.
Post by: mantidor on April 28, 2005, 05:13:11 PM
Post by: mjbd on April 28, 2005, 05:34:36 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 29, 2005, 05:14:48 AM
I wonder what this followup story is going to be about at IGN.
I want to believe...I want to see Nintendo throw some weight around and make some big investments as well as take a big enough risk this generation to gain marketshare back...and really that is what most of these rumors are about. Nintendo doing something radical enough to push themselves ahead of the competition.
New system with revolutionary controls.
Potential 3D display.
Acquiring small development houses.
Creating more mature games.
These things are all are dreams come true.
Post by: Famicom on April 29, 2005, 06:45:51 AM
Like everyone else has said, it would be sweet if it were all true, but I'm not holding my breath. I do however, eagerly await Gamespots forthcoming rumor report and IGN's Nintendo minute of the week to mull over these in some fashion.
EDIT: Well I just noticed that they do have forums, but I'll still stand by my point of it not being that important.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 29, 2005, 06:58:52 AM
It was just a crazy fanboy theory anyway. (Face saved: 35% Face saved after printing percentage of face saved: 2%)The part about acquiring small devs discredits him a bit, in my mind. I think Nintendo wants to get away from that business model and do more collaborating with third parties instead. I can't see Nintendo returning to the second party model just a year after letting Silicon Knights loose. Still, it's fun to read this and day-dream.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 29, 2005, 10:10:57 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 29, 2005, 10:21:44 AM
The madness never ends. I don't know what is going on with that forum...but please. They need to have some more control over user ids on that site. Then it would be much easier to understand what is going on.
Right now we have the:
The Real Brooke
The Fake Brooke
The Real Aries
The Fake Aries
Now the Real Brooke comes on and starts talking about a 3D display. He must have some credability because IGN runs with the rumor for a story. Now comes Real Aries and starts talking rumors about Nintendo. Apparently this is where it gets tricky. Now some point Fake Aries starts to make more elaborate rumors and either real Brooke of Fake Brooke starts to call him out and start fights.
Now this is where it gets confusing. What did Fake Aries say and what did Real Aries say...and the same with Brooke.
It's too confusing to know what is going on.
Perhaps there is an information leak here, but nobody can know for sure. HA!!!
Post by: zakkiel on April 29, 2005, 12:57:41 PM
Post by: Savior on April 29, 2005, 01:04:40 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 29, 2005, 01:42:27 PM
So he could have easily covered his bottom for spilling rumors that were so unbelievable people weren't listening anymore.
It is what I would do.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 29, 2005, 02:00:38 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 29, 2005, 02:02:07 PM
Post by: mjbd on April 29, 2005, 02:06:07 PM
April 28th, 2005 at 12:48 am
Well…
It seems the cat’s out of the bag, so to speak. Brooke is right, and I’ve pretty much been exposed.
I do work at a branch of Fifth National Bank, and I was very bored. I apologize for deceiving you all, but I did it for two reasons:
1) To alleviate the monotony of my job here.
2) To stir up some controversy and garner some attention for Nintendo’s new console.
I’ve been a long-time Nintendo fan. I wasn’t lying when I said that I’m a gamer just like all of you; I play games whenever I get a chance. I desperately want Nintendo to succeed because I know they are far too talented in game development to let it all go. But lately, sales have been dwindling along with the mainstream image of Nintendo as a whole.
I had been excited about the Revolution ever since I heard of it a year ago. Wondering…what IS this so-called “revolutionary” feature? Will it boost sales? Will people finally recognize Nintendo they way they used to in the era of the SNES?
Naturally, then, I became very excited about E3 2005 and the rumored unveiling of the Revolution. Then a couple weeks ago, I read a news story that greatly disappointed me: Iwata said he does not plan to show it at E3.
I was pretty angry, but it did spark my imagination. I had all of these “wouldn’t it be cool if…?” and “If I was only a developer for Nintendo…” ideas. I wrote some of them down and considered emailing Nintendo, but of course I knew that it would do no good.
I eventually ended up at this blog and all the Revolution info in it. I was originally going to post a comment simply explaining my ideas…but just for the hell of it, I pretended I was a game developer. I ran with it and continued posting, fully conveying all of my hopes and dreams into writing. But that’s all they were: dreams.
Nevertheless, E3 is still approaching and Nintendo may surprise us yet. Who knows? Maybe some of my ideas will actually be implemented. Believe me, I want the Revolution to be awesome just as much as you all do.
The End, I hope.
Not suprised to say the least.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 29, 2005, 02:21:01 PM
Post by: Famicom on April 29, 2005, 02:24:32 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 29, 2005, 02:46:49 PM
Post by: MattVDB on April 29, 2005, 03:04:48 PM
Heh. I don't know what any of this means, or what to believe or what. Personally all that I've let these rumors do for me is get me stoked for what Nintendo will unveil. I look at these rumors as fake, so I'm not putting anything on Nintendo, and just can't wait to be shocked again. LOZ last year people? I mean Hello. Who thought they would actually do that? Exactly. I think they are listening.
Post by: Rhoq on April 29, 2005, 04:40:03 PM
April 29th, 2005 at 12:02 pm
I am here to let you all know that only, and I mean ONLY, close Nintendo personnel really know anything about the Revolution. They have all signed non disclosure acts, so anything anybody here says, whether it is brooke or aries, is PURE SPECULATION. Only Nintendo knows, and we will reveal some of our surprises for you on May 17, 9am PST.
Post by: nickmitch on April 29, 2005, 04:43:40 PM
Evil twins anyone?
Post by: Rhoq on April 29, 2005, 04:48:10 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
What if it's a fake Reggie?
They are all fake.
But it provides some great comic relief.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 29, 2005, 05:59:24 PM
Post by: Savior on April 29, 2005, 06:22:35 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 29, 2005, 06:25:32 PM
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Aries said: "Anyway, to clear some other things up: the final design for the Revolution hasn’t been decided upon yet. At least, not as far as we know over here. So this could mean that they’ll actually show some prototype of the final design at E3, just like they did with the DS last year. Of course we have an SDK, but that machine probably wont look like the final design either. Just like with the current SDK’s for the Xbox 360.
As for specs, since you seem to be really privy on them, the Revolution will indeed support both 720p as well as 1080i. The GPU of the console packs quite a punch. It’s actually two cores linked together with ATi’s alternative on nVidia’s SLI. Though no releasedate has probably been determined yet by Nintendo (current releasedate looks to be around March next year in Japan), this could mean that Revolution will be the first device to support this ATi technology. Even before they introduce it to the PC market.
Now the cores themselves are completely custom-made by a different team than the core for the Xbox 360. It’s known as the RN520, where the N actually stands for Nintendo. One core in itself, isn’t as fast as the R500-ish core of the Xbox 360, but together they are quite a bit more powerful. The CPU consists of four cores each running at 2,5 GHz and is based on the G5 architecture. Each core has it’s own 128KB L1 cachememory, and they all share a L2 cache of 512KB. Next to this, the CPU and GPU share 512MB of memory, just like the Xbox 360 does. Also, the GPU has it’s own on-die memory for quick tasks which amounts to 16MB of eDRAM.
There’s also a seperate processor for sound, which is quite advanced and takes a lot of workload off the CPU. Last but not least, the Revolution features a PPU for complex physics, which utilizes it’s own 32MB of memory. So all in all, it’s quite the complex machine with many different processors. Still, it’s rather easy to develop for because of the excellent development tools which Nintendo delivered. These are all GameCube based with a lot of completely new features built-in." .
Post by: mantidor on April 29, 2005, 06:30:36 PM
I have to say, that if this guy Aries is just lying, hes doing one hell of a job, hes really well informed on every rumor and official statment about the Revolution and has been very consistent about it.
Post by: Savior on April 29, 2005, 06:57:19 PM
HE should since its the most popular log in his whole page.
Post by: mantidor on April 29, 2005, 07:12:47 PM
Post by: Grant10k on April 29, 2005, 07:17:12 PM
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Each core has it’s own 128KB L1 cachememory, and they all share a L2 cache of 512KB. Next to this, the CPU and GPU share 512MB of memory, just like the Xbox 360 does. Also, the GPU has it’s own on-die memory for quick tasks which amounts to 16MB of eDRAM.
this will prove if he's on the 'inside' as soon as the specs (which arn't that important anyway) are released. So now we can prove him right or wrong (when I say now, I mean in 1-12 months)
As for the Aries posting the apology and stuff, come on. How often do you spot a fake on the internet, yell "hA><zorz" and get a full confession? WITH explanation and motive? NEVERS
EDIT: unless this spec aeris is fake too...gaw, all these problems could have been solved had aeris simpley first posted on a board with a password entry box.
Post by: Savior on April 29, 2005, 07:27:30 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 29, 2005, 07:27:34 PM
Post by: Savior on April 29, 2005, 07:55:04 PM
Post by: Djunknown on April 29, 2005, 09:07:11 PM
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Last but not least, the Revolution features a PPU for complex physics, which utilizes it’s own 32MB of memory.
I read an article the other day that one company is planning to sell PPU's (Or physics porcessing unit) for PC's. From my understanding, this is a very,very recent phenomenon. As in no game today or in the near future is going to use this feature. Xbox 360 won't have this feature, nor most likey the PS3. Why would Nintendo then, try to be more of a PC, using technology that hasn't been tested yet? Sounds like another bag of BS until confimed otherwise.... *waits for Kdr_11k to debunk supposed hardware specs*
If nothing else, it stirs the rumor pot a little, and gives a bored bank employee some creative freedom. I guess he was never taught to cry wolf as a kid. If he can make believable rumors, why stay at the bank? Some gaming mag or site should pick this guy up, he knows how to hype things up....
EDIT: Some *gasp* evidence from a credible source about how new PPU's are:Read the last paragraph
"The PhysX chip, AGEIA's flagship product, is the gaming industry's first physics processing unit. According to the company, it is a processor dedicated to performing complicated calculations in games, often applied to realistically representing bodies falling from buildings or cars careening off bridges."
Post by: Caillan on April 29, 2005, 09:38:15 PM
It doesn't strike me as a very Nintendo-ey thing to do, but putting a physics chip in the Revolution could only be a good thing.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 29, 2005, 09:52:05 PM
The PPU stuff also looked fake (game support has nothing to do with this but new tech like that isn't exactly cheap), as did the core count of the CPU. Why four cores? Because MS uses two? Easy to program would be true for any system with no redundant parts (i.e. no real parallelism of identical tasks necessary) so a number of specific chips on there wouldn't complicate much since it's still clear what instruction goes where (debugging gets more complicated though), as opposed to a cluster of all-purpose processors like the Cell where it's not trivial to say what is executed where and what data rates you have to expect at what point in the process.
As for the PS3 not having a PPU, that's not exactly true, the Cell should be able to help out with that a lot, even though it's not explicitely labelled a PPU.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 30, 2005, 12:45:17 AM
Turns out I was right... everything you've read on those forums is BS, people. And I don't mean Broken Saints.
Launching a fake forum though... wow. That's pretty dedicated.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 30, 2005, 07:49:20 AM
Remember, theres always some truth from every rumor. Rumors are derived from the truth. The truth might not be in such a grand scale but it'll be there. I wouldn't be suprised if alot of what this Aries has said turns out to be true sooner or later.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 30, 2005, 08:02:00 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 30, 2005, 08:15:24 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 30, 2005, 08:51:51 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Rumors aren't derived from truth, rumors are just blatant lies that get repeated. Since the overwhelming majority agrees that it's gyro control I'll call that a quasi-fact, though. Remember, people widely rumored the DS to have a touchscreen.
I guess we were both wrong, not all rumors are derived from truth but not all are just blatant lies. You've proved it yourself when you said people widely rumored the DS to have a touchscreen. That line proves my point that rumors are derived from fact. I understand though that some could easily come straight out of the imagination.
Post by: IceCold on April 30, 2005, 09:00:52 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on April 30, 2005, 09:10:51 AM
A little off topic but something just hit me with the talk of Square and Camelot making original rpgs is that I would love both Camelot and Square to try and establish new rpg franchises on Nitnendo's systems. Given that Nintendo's systems rarely get rpgs, let alone a progressive series (FF 7,8,9 or Suikoden 1,2,3,4) to sustain a fanbase, their systems would be the best to start off something new and fresh. A new franchise on playstation could get overshadowed with the anticipation for the followup of DQ or FF or any of thier countless established series.
Post by: Grant10k on April 30, 2005, 09:48:23 AM
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Originally posted by: mantidor
why do I have to say this THREE times!? the guy who posted the specs actually confessed two post below he did it just to see how easy was to inpersonate Aries, unless the guy who confess wasnt telling the truth, but that honestly is strething it too much........or is not?
Because the first time you said it, you could have been talking about the confession, the second time I had already started typing when you wrote your reply, and the third beause everyone is fake.
Post by: mantidor on April 30, 2005, 11:35:05 AM
Post by: zakkiel on April 30, 2005, 02:23:53 PM
QuoteAll those people are basing their opinions on the same flimsy piece of evidence. The more I think about it, the more suspicious I become.
Since the overwhelming majority agrees that it's gyro control I'll call that a quasi-fact, though.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2005, 03:37:17 PM
next week it will have both male and female ports and a butt plug, and the gyros will be put to good use. feeling is better!
Post by: mantidor on April 30, 2005, 06:27:19 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 30, 2005, 06:39:48 PM
Post by: slingshot on May 01, 2005, 05:42:37 AM
Post by: trip1eX on May 01, 2005, 08:36:22 AM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 01, 2005, 04:48:09 PM
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Originally posted by: trip1eX
Yeah we're back to square one. No one knows wtf the REvolution is going to be about. And after E3 we still might not know yet.
Its a little ironic that whenever we discuss anything about the revolution we end up, as you said, back to square one. What we are doing is in a way a revolution, we start and end in the same spot lol.
Back on topic though, the way I see it, I think most of what this Aries is saying is the truth. Everything he's said is a summary of what we've been hearing for months. There has to be some truth behind all these smoke and mirrors. I'd be suprised if all the Rev info at E3 is completely diff than what we've been assuming. The only thing I'm expecting to get suprised about is the feature that supposedly makes the Rev revolutionary.
Post by: nemo_83 on May 01, 2005, 05:26:30 PM
look up the word marionette.
Post by: Savior on May 01, 2005, 05:38:02 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 01, 2005, 05:43:56 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 01, 2005, 05:53:30 PM
marionette....remember Nintendo working on a new Mario game called MARIOnette. It was mentioned being worked on since Sunshine had been released, and it was different than Mario 128. If Nintendo is using Gyros then Marionette is a perfect code name for the game, until a new one comes out.
Which means a couple of things.
1)Mario for Revolution is most likely deep in development and has been for several years. And can easily be a launch game.
2)This could mean Nintendo could launch Mario 128 for Gamecube, and Marionette for Revolution with little trouble.
Post by: Savior on May 01, 2005, 06:58:11 PM
So i hope he does work with Nintendo. Didnt he say after Twin Snakes that he wanted to work with Miyamoto in the future?
Post by: IceCold on May 01, 2005, 06:58:27 PM
Anyway, I can't remember, but maybe someone else can.
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 01, 2005, 07:14:51 PM
Post by: Savior on May 01, 2005, 07:37:30 PM
Post by: BigJim on May 01, 2005, 08:16:51 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on May 01, 2005, 08:28:21 PM
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 01, 2005, 08:28:25 PM
Post by: pudu on May 01, 2005, 09:03:14 PM
n : a small figure of a person operated from above with strings by a puppeteer
The game Marionette showed up on the Gamecube release list at E3 2001
Miyamoto was quoted saying, ""And as for Marionette, it is still under development. It is not a Mario game, but an actual Marionette game utilizing a puppet. I am hoping to make something both complicated and simple at the same time [with this game], which is kind of a contradiction. But already we are experimenting. And once again, sometime in the future we may be able to show you something on it." (
Link)
N-sider took a swing at what this title may consist of back in 2001 (Link)
What's particualrly interesting to me is the way you control a puppet using strings and how gyroscope controls could be very useful in a game like this.
What Savior was referring too was some ds secret / rumor that started on the Warp Pipe forums. An overview can be found here (Link)
Also here is a nice interview with Warp Pipe that may or may not be so relavent...but what the heck (Link)
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 01, 2005, 09:19:41 PM
Why?
Let's just assume everything he's saying is true....what could a disc do to further make the Revolution a Revolution?
NobleFeather
?
Post by: Truthliesn1seyes on May 01, 2005, 09:58:10 PM
As for Aries, he seems to stay mum on the subject of the medium and the power for the wireless controllers. I can't see how there could be a connection there or how either could make the system revolionary but I can't wait till E3 to see whats really going on.
As for NobleFeather, I wish he'd come on to see what he has to say about this. Its strange that we haven't seen him on in a long while (well I havent seen him on)
Post by: KDR_11k on May 02, 2005, 03:32:48 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 02, 2005, 06:11:18 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2005, 07:26:22 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on May 02, 2005, 07:28:31 AM
Current gaming media has two problems: load times and an inability to save without a memory card. It would be a pretty big deal if Nintendo could somehow remove these problems without losing the benefits of using optical discs. That would be something like really cheap cartridges that can hold a couple of gigs and don't cost more than a CD to make. I assume that would be impossible but things have likely changed a fair bit since 1996.
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 02, 2005, 07:57:49 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
Bill, you have always had fun bright images...this new one just doesn't feel like you. :^(
Message received... ^_^
Post by: Spak-Spang on May 02, 2005, 01:39:06 PM
Post by: Mr. Segali on May 02, 2005, 04:33:27 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2005, 05:56:53 PM
Collection of everything we know/heard about Revolution so far:
GameSpot forums
Was Nintendo using HD-DVD (HD-DVD is now in the process of being merged w/ Blu-ray)?
If they were using HD-DVD do you think that they will use the new hybrid format as well?
p.s. this post is about the picture @ the link, I posted it here cause it also contains the info from the "Aries" posts
Post by: Caillan on May 07, 2005, 06:43:34 PM
Post by: Arbok on May 07, 2005, 07:14:08 PM
Post by: BigJim on May 07, 2005, 08:22:23 PM
That aside, even black ink would appear slightly reflective. But it's all uniformly the same color no matter where it appears on the disc (shaded or lit). The "internal use" line would be less than pristine considering the backdrop. It looks like the reflection lines were used to keep the text straight in photoshop.
Post by: Savior on May 07, 2005, 08:58:54 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 07, 2005, 09:36:27 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 07, 2005, 09:50:02 PM
If it uses HD-DVD, it may be able to read future movie releases.
Post by: Savior on May 07, 2005, 10:01:50 PM
2.Its a bigger canvas for game developers. No reason to hold the genius of Miyamoto or Shinji Mikami back or Hideo Kojima...
Post by: Ian Sane on May 07, 2005, 10:05:01 PM
I think that's why Bill couldn't care less.
If Nintendo using HD-DVD gives them an advantage in regards to games then Nintendo should go for it. But if it's just for some new movie format that currently isn't even in stores who cares. Make a quality game machine first and then if it's cost feasible throw in some extra frills.
Post by: Savior on May 07, 2005, 10:18:52 PM
Post by: Deguello on May 07, 2005, 10:48:11 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 08, 2005, 04:38:48 AM
It did for the PS2, and it will for any other console.
Nintendo should careless, but we should want it to play movies just because. It's like why wouldn't your favorite brand of computers not to play dvd's? It already plays all your favorite games, but why not dvd's....for free?
Post by: Bill Aurion on May 08, 2005, 05:23:25 AM
Post by: Savior on May 08, 2005, 12:17:09 PM
Post by: The Omen on May 08, 2005, 05:18:06 PM
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Except it's not free...I do NOT want to pay 100 dollars more for a function I will NEVER use!
Come on, Bill. Surely you don't put your interests in front of Nintendo as a whole/? They need to have it if the PS3 and Xbox 2 have it.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 08, 2005, 11:56:31 PM
How can you say that? If they are incorperating the HD-DVD drive into the REV simply because it provides ample room for games, how can you say that you'll be paying 100 dollars more a function, when that function is neccessary to play the games?!
Sometimes I don't get you Bill....
Your faith is too......blind.
Post by: Shift Key on May 09, 2005, 01:18:20 AM
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It's like why wouldn't your favorite brand of computers not to play dvd's? It already plays all your favorite games, but why not dvd's....for free?
What? A DVD drive might come standard with a computer, but it is added to the cost of the system. Its a totally different thing to what you're all on about.
And brand computers are horrible. Build your own and end up with a more powerful computer with money to spare.
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If they are incorperating the HD-DVD drive into the REV simply because it provides ample room for games, how can you say that you'll be paying 100 dollars more a function,
Because technology costs money. And HD-DVD is not even a dominant format for movies at the moment - throwing it into the Revolution would make it much more expensive, thus turning people away. And who knows if the format will be successful?
Even if they included this magical new format, but turned off the movie playability, you wouldn't be happy at all, I'll bet. That's called hyprocrisy. Because then you'd complain that they should be able to play movies. Bill's just drawing a line, and he does have a point. There are ways around the maximum capacity of a medium...
QuoteLast I heard the 360 is going to have DVD9 (dual-layer DVD for those playing along at home) so don't bet the farm on that hunch.
They need to have it if the PS3 and Xbox 2 have it.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 09, 2005, 01:32:15 AM
Going with a custom format is almost automatically cheaper (assuming you can produce in the right amount of bulk). The problem with the GameCube's disk format is that it was smaller than DVD, which turned out to be too small.
Panasonic could probably make Nintendo another custom-format that's bigger and cheaper than HD DVD/Blu-Ray (I mean, they're both already "old" technologies). The only drawback would be that it legally wouldn't be allowed to play HD DVD/Blu-Ray branded movies.
Yes, it would be nice if the Revolution played HD DVD movies. But how much does an HD DVD movie player cost? If that name-brand by itself (we're not talking about the quality of the storage medium here) bumps the Rev's launch price up from $250 to $350, is that really a good idea?
I'm sure it would be a "selling point" and might be a good business move. But as a gamer, that's just getting in the way. That equals a least a extra year or two of price drops until the system gets into a person's price range.
Of course, everyone always says "Nintendo can afford it", and just expects Nintendo to eat the cost on that. Give them a free system. And look the other way while they download pirated games. And Nintendo should give out more t-shirts. And buy them a lollipop.
Well then, why settle for Nintendo giving you a $350 system (with HD DVD) for $250? Why not ask for Nintendo to give you a $250 system (without HD DVD) for $150? It's the same thing. Both are $100 cheaper.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 09, 2005, 02:44:30 AM
But then, N might be so scared by all those movie companies supporting HDDVD they might just switch their tech. Don't expect great multi-media support from Nintendo but I think they know that at least some basic support will help sales.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on May 09, 2005, 03:04:20 AM
I simply looked at the picture Bill provided. Using that I mentioned the possibilities of it playing future movies, then somebody said something about cost, then my words were mixed up.
Ok, let's say Nintendo picked HD-DVD, NOT TO PLAY MOVIES, but simply because it meets all there needs videogame wise. So, 1-3 years down the line...hey look HD-DVD movies, cool...hey wait! Doesn't the REV use HD-DVD...ya! you think they can play on the REV? Wow they can!
That's all I was implying damn it! It would be like an easter egg, rather than an incentive. It would just be nice to have....wouldn't it?!
Post by: Savior on May 09, 2005, 03:53:08 AM
Post by: BigJim on May 09, 2005, 05:15:21 PM
Post by: Savior on May 09, 2005, 05:58:35 PM
Post by: JonLeung on May 09, 2005, 06:02:09 PM
I won't use any movie-playback function - at least, I don't think I would, but maybe that's 'cause our household already had multiple DVD-playing devices when the current generation was starting. If the format was similar enough to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or whatever format they're working on now and it played those types of movies, maybe it would be worth it to include.
Not including it means Nintendo loses the possible purchases of people looking for more than a gaming machine, including it means losing the money in production for a feature some people won't use. I would say to include it - not for me but for others who would use it...but that's just me wanting Nintendo to have less negative points against it.
Oh, and I recall somewhere about Satoru Iwata saying in the same day about the Broadway/Hollwood thing about making Revolution the central hub of entertainment. I can't recall whether or not he said "interactive" before the word "entertainment". But if it were to be a hub of home entertainment, one should think it should be able to play movies.
Post by: BigJim on May 09, 2005, 07:37:29 PM
I think if Nintendo does it, it should be all or nothing. Go for the HD playblack or don't go at all. While there are good anecdotal reasons to do it (as Savior mentions) I still think it's far from a given.
Edit: Heads-up to the technology geeks out there. It looks like it'll be Sony's Blu-ray discs, but Toshiba software and encryption.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2005, 08:41:42 PM
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Originally posted by: BigJim
Edit: Heads-up to the technology geeks out there. It looks like it'll be Sony's Blu-ray discs, but Toshiba software and encryption.
Already have a topic about it.
Post by: Savior on May 10, 2005, 02:29:41 PM
Well Sly 3 has 3D Glasses.... So either Sony somehow stole the Revolutions idea, or its trully not these 3D glasses junk
Post by: pudu on May 10, 2005, 06:52:06 PM
