Post by: Nile Boogie on April 15, 2005, 11:27:03 PM
No releases for 7weeks straight.
Nothing really on the radar until Zelda.
Sorry to compare but at this same time the Ps2 And Xbox flurish during the so-called "dead season". (Post Holiday, pre E3)
I don't want to think so and I really hope I'm overlooking something but it just seems to me that my beloved Gamecube has seen its best days. Please if it is possible to do so, restore my faith. I long for some good news from the front line but all I seem to get are promises broken(The Ds). I guess I can go back and get some of the games found to be sleepers and try them out(Beyond Good And Evil). I thank you in advance for you support in these days of turmoil.
Post by: Chris1 on April 15, 2005, 11:35:41 PM
Post by: Mario on April 15, 2005, 11:38:47 PM
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I just bought RE4 the other day, and i'm still in the middle of playing through Paper Mario and Jungle Beat, right now i'm having an awesome time with my GameCube! I still have to play through Wind Waker again and I feel like playing both Metroid Prime's again after i'm done with my current games. Then who knows what i'll play! I still need to pick up Viewtiful Joe 2, Mario Power Tennis and Four Swords too... i'm overwhelmed with games here, no complaints from me.
Kirby GC, Zelda, Donkey Konga 2/3 and DDR With Mario are the only games not out yet that i'd be interested in buying though from the top of my head... but i'm sure we'll see more GC games at E3 next month.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 15, 2005, 11:44:11 PM
I think you're being a little unfair though. Name me one game either Xbox or PS2 has in the pipeline that competes with Zelda. You can't cast it aside so cavalierly.
Post by: RABicle on April 16, 2005, 04:10:26 AM
I mean if the Gmaecube's April release lsit looked something like this:
> Rise of the Kasai
> Dead to Rights II: Hell to Pay
> Ford Mustang
> Stolen
> Area 51
> Resident Evil: Outbreak 2
> Stella Deus: The Gate of Eternity
> Predator: Concrete Jungle
That's when i'd call it dead
Post by: dack25 on April 16, 2005, 07:03:41 AM
Post by: razr on April 16, 2005, 07:32:23 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on April 16, 2005, 07:50:35 AM
But no, the GameCube isn't dead by MOST of our eyes, but by publishers it is. Who can blame them, they're morons.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 16, 2005, 09:50:30 AM
Post by: zakkiel on April 16, 2005, 01:58:48 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 16, 2005, 02:31:29 PM
Post by: CHEN on April 16, 2005, 02:36:17 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 16, 2005, 02:39:52 PM
Post by: Renny on April 16, 2005, 02:50:53 PM
People have the powah.
Post by: CHEN on April 16, 2005, 03:07:49 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on April 16, 2005, 06:01:01 PM
And B rated games are better than none at all :0 There's nothing on my buy list until June (Geist and Killer 7) so that's 4 titles in 1/2 a year (JB, RE4, Geist, Killer 7).
Fire Emblem has a NOV release date for the US
. Advance Wars is coming in August but it's realtime so I might wait until reviews for that one.IMHO both Xbox and PS2 have a better lineup so far for the upcoming quarter.
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 16, 2005, 06:07:09 PM
Anyway, here to the good times. Hopefully they're not all gone. Cheers!!!!!!
Post by: Ian Sane on April 16, 2005, 07:25:06 PM
Still we do have some major titles to look forward to so it's not like we're totally screwed. If you play your cards right this Christmas there will be at least one 2005 Cube game on your list. Though I am concerned about 2006. 2001 for the N64 SUCKED. We got Paper Mario in February and Conker in March (I think) and then it was just OVER. Sure there were some nothing titles released like Mario Party 3 and Dr. Mario 64 but we pretty much had nothing for the rest of the year until the Cube launch. Even if you played all of the N64 titles that year the last one came out in May. So there were five months with literally no games on a Nintendo home console released.
And that really hurt the Cube. Nintendo wasn't getting any coverage during that time. From E3 until weeks before the Cube launch for all intents and purposes Nintendo was portable-only. So the Cube had like no momentum going in. Too many Nintendo 64 fans got bored and bought PS2s. And then the Cube had a huge post-launch drought. So we waited five months, got some games, and then waited for another five months. There are a lot of factors that contributed to the Cube's "failure" but nothing killed it more than those months of sheer nothing.
So I'm worried about how the Revolution is going to start out. The Cube is following the same path as the N64 so it's very likely that sometime in early 2006 the Cube is just going to abruptly end. The Rev already is going to have trouble starting out just because it's following two "failures" in a row so a negative bias is already there. But if Nintendo disappears again the Rev is going to have no momentum at all. The Xbox 360 will already be out by then and we know the PS2-PS3 transition will be incredibly smooth.
Nintendo has to make sure they keep the games flowing. Though if they want to beat Sony to the market they will likely have to launch in the first half of 2006 so realistically they don't have to hold out quite as long.
Post by: Bartman3010 on April 17, 2005, 01:21:20 AM
Its just not a very good time for new games to come out, I guess.
Post by: Miyamoto Osaki on April 17, 2005, 01:38:16 AM
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 17, 2005, 01:59:42 AM
As Ian said, 2006 will probably be N64-bad. If it ISN'T horribly dry, it will be because
a) Nintendo Revolution is released before the end of the year or
b) Nintendo makes more GC games at the cost of a better Revolution line-up.
(b) would just be foolish, but (a) is a possibility. I have no idea how well a July console launch would work, but September was OK for GC in Japan.
MS is really in a good position to get GC-but-not-Xbox owners for the next generation. MS is cutting its own Xbox's life short, and PS2 fans can probably wait for the PS3, but with the right software near launch Xbox 360 could punch Nintendo in the stomach. If the first party support in 2006 is as horrible as I expect, I know I'll need another console unless the DS is brimming with good software.
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 17, 2005, 03:59:51 AM
XboX 360™ is something that really seems to be a wild-card. I'm thinking bout one just of the strenght of BioWare alone but if it's not Backwards compatible AND if it still uses the same disc format(Blu-Ray/ HD-DVD still not confirmed) then I can wait till the Rev. However, if they can squeeze both of those features in at a good price point, $249.99 or less, then I may have to make room next to the Cube/N64/Snes/cable/stereo/ too many damn things hooked up to a 27" Tv.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 17, 2005, 06:05:05 AM
Is there some justification for using the plural form of game in that sentence? Surely you're not suggesting that DKJB was ho-hum.
Post by: dack25 on April 17, 2005, 07:02:42 AM
Post by: CHEN on April 17, 2005, 07:03:52 AM
And I have a bad feeling about Advance Wars: Under Fire. Why must you lend IP's to everyone? Metroid came out all right, but not everything will turn into magic.
Post by: zakkiel on April 17, 2005, 07:37:03 AM
OT, but does anyone else get pissed by the list of games coming out for PS2 and Xbox but specifically not GC? How hard is it to port, really?
Post by: ThePerm on April 17, 2005, 01:06:12 PM
edit...and what ever happened to filler sequals....
Post by: Savior on April 17, 2005, 03:01:02 PM
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other than Doom 3, I doubt the others will sell very well.
Jade Empire?
Anyways the GCN is lacking right now. Definetly. I still need to buy Time Splitters 3... but im hoping Nintendo will reveal some GCN stuff left in the tank at E3.
Post by: Luigidude on April 17, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
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Post by: Ian Sane on April 18, 2005, 07:53:35 AM
So realistically it could be the Gamecube launch all over again only instead of bored Nintendo fans going to Sony they go to MS. You figure Nintendo would learn from their mistakes. This is very literally history repeating itself. Replace a few names here and there and it's the year 2000. When you look at the situation it's becoming very clear that the console market is a two man race and there's no room for number three. Sega got squeezed out by Sony, the Turbo Graffix-16 never had a real chance, and now Nintendo is facing being squeezed out by MS. Nintendo has to force one of the others out or they're not going to last.
So what can Nintendo do? They're kind of stuck. They can't just flick a switch and suddenly the Cube has enough games to keep the userbase from jumping ship and they can't launch before Microsoft. I think the best solution is to launch in North America in June or July. I'm assuming they would launch in Japan before that (unless they want another DS launch). This way they can still show off some stuff at E3 before the launch and they get ahead of Sony and they launch quick enough to kill off any drought with the Cube that would get fans looking elsewhere for new games. Ideally summer is a pretty cool time to launch. School's out so all of the elementary school, high school, and college students have free time to play. Plus it allows enough time to get some of the better looking post-launch software out by Christmas. That means this E3 needs playable games which isn't really something that can just be popped out of the air. They may need to hold their own show later to better showcase the new titles. Of course they also just can't make a great launch lineup for June out of nowhere either. In order for this idea to work it has to have been Nintendo's idea all along. They don't have time to make big changes in plan. So they already either have a good plan or a bad one.
Post by: vudu on April 18, 2005, 09:48:00 AM
Post by: Pale on April 18, 2005, 10:15:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigidude
I sold all of my GCN games for DS game credit
for using Typ's avatar.... Way to try and confuse everyone. =P
Post by: couchmonkey on April 18, 2005, 01:52:53 PM
Also, don't forget that Fire Emblem, Kirby, and Advance Wars are probably still coming to the Cube this year! I mean, everyone should be excited about AT LEAST one of those games.
Post by: ThePerm on April 18, 2005, 03:35:38 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 06:08:31 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 18, 2005, 06:13:43 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 18, 2005, 06:17:44 PM
(You ruined my joke, shame on you...)
Post by: McBacon on April 20, 2005, 05:25:08 AM
Post by: skyfire on April 23, 2005, 05:12:26 PM
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Originally posted by: RABicle
I'd be ready to call my Gamecube dead when an April release list is full of bullcrap sequels, rehashes, and other assorted rubbish.
I mean if the Gmaecube's April release lsit looked something like this:
> Rise of the Kasai
> Dead to Rights II: Hell to Pay
> Ford Mustang
> Stolen
> Area 51
> Resident Evil: Outbreak 2
> Stella Deus: The Gate of Eternity
> Predator: Concrete Jungle
That's when i'd call it dead
I seriously hope you aren't saying this game is bad. Gamecube can only dream off having such a great game and one I wish Gamecube did have.
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 23, 2005, 05:19:59 PM
Post by: ProzacMessiah on April 24, 2005, 11:37:13 AM
I think a lot people realize this, which is why some of the replies shift focus to the "prior releases yet to be played angle" or claim we've got more than enough for a person with a diverse schedule to enjoy. There's a fun, if self-destructive, ad campaign in this for Nintendo. "Hey you *******, have you played all the great games we've already released for this damn thing?! Huh? And go outside once in a while, losers!"
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 24, 2005, 10:35:14 PM
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Originally posted by: ProzacMessiah
especially when you see how strong the Xbox is finishing and you know the Cube will have to last longer with less.
What's so strong about the X-boxes finish? I didn't think it really had anything exciting until "360" comes out.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2005, 08:48:18 AM
As for the GameCube's lineup versus the Xbox, yes, the Xbox is looking stronger right now, but frankly, the GameCube was stronger for about 90% of the three years prior to now. For players that are willing to dig into the systems' past, I think a GameCube would be a much better purchase. No, Nintendo shouldn't market on that, but I'm not a commercial, I'm someone arguing why the GameCube is still a fine console to own that offers plenty of gaming to keep people busy for another year.
Post by: Uglydot on April 25, 2005, 09:34:41 AM
whirrrrr
Nope, not dead.
Post by: mjbd on April 25, 2005, 05:50:40 PM
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Post by: razr on April 28, 2005, 02:02:59 PM
Post by: Galford on April 28, 2005, 04:24:40 PM
If you weren't watching G4 back in January post 10:00pm at night, you most likely missed them. The ads looked like they were made by Capcom, not Nintendo. Hmm...
Post by: Ymeegod on April 29, 2005, 08:52:55 AM
2. Fight Night Round 2
3. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect
4. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat
5. Star Fox: Assault
6. FIFA Street
That's the last 90 days worth of releases for the GC according to Gamerankings.
1. God of War PS2 SCEA 47 8.8 93.9% 93.6%
2. World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International PS2 Konami 28 8.5 91.0% 91.6%
3. Gran Turismo 4 PS2 SCEA 62 8.3 89.4% 90.0%
4. Tekken 5 PS2 Namco 44 8.7 89.9% 89.2%
5. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory PS2 Ubisoft 21 8.2 88.5% 88.9%
6. NBA Street V3 PS2 EA Sports Big 35 7.8 88.4% 88.4%
7. MVP Baseball 2005 PS2 EA Sports 24 7.7 87.2% 87.4%
8. Fight Night Round 2 PS2 EA Sports 32 7.4 87.1% 87.4%
9. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect PS2 EA Games 36 8.6 86.0% 85.9%
10. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening PS2 Capcom 46 8.9 84.8% 85.3%
11. Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 PS2 Ubisoft 28 8.1 83.8% 84.8%
12. Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga PS2 Atlus Co. 23 7.7 82.2% 81.6%
13. Project: Snowblind
That's for the PS2
1. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory XBOX Ubisoft 51 8.6 94.3% 93.9%
2. Jade Empire XBOX Microsoft 36 8.6 91.0% 91.0%
3. Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 XBOX Ubisoft 59 8.6 89.0% 89.5%
4. World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International XBOX Konami 22 8.3 88.8% 88.8%
5. NBA Street V3 XBOX EA Sports Big 43 7.4 88.2% 88.6%
6. Fight Night Round 2 XBOX EA Sports 33 7.6 88.2% 88.5%
7. Midnight Club 3: DUB Edition XBOX Rockstar Games 23 7.9 88.6% 88.5%
8. Doom 3 XBOX Activision 49 8.2 88.3% 88.2%
9. Unreal Championship 2: The Liandri Conflict XBOX Midway 21 7.8 87.9% 87.5%
10. MVP Baseball 2005 XBOX EA Sports 34 7.4 86.5% 87.0%
11. Major League Baseball 2K5 XBOX Take-Two Interactive 21 7.3 82.9% 84.1%
12. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect XBOX EA Games 46 8.6 84.1% 83.8%
13. Phantom Dust XBOX Majesco Games 31 7.4 83.0% 81.2%
14. Project: Snowblind XBOX Eidos Interactive 34 7.6 81.9% 80.8%
15. Star Wars Republic Commando XBOX LucasArts 40 8.3 80.5% 79.8%
16. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection XBOX Capcom 31 8.1 78.6% 78.8%
17. Scrapland XBOX Enlight Software 22 6.9 74.2% 74.3%
18. Worms 3D XBOX Sega 25 7.1 74.7% 72.8%
19. Cold Fear XBOX Ubisoft 29 6.9 72.2% 71.9%
20. Obscure XBOX DreamCatcher Interactive 22 7.2 69.8% 69.0%
21. FIFA Street XBOX EA Sports Big 34 4.8 61.3% 60.4%
22. Constantine
And that's for the Xbox.
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And each month sales are less and less, which means even less support (just imagine if EA drops it's lineup then what?).
Post by: nickmitch on April 29, 2005, 04:48:37 PM
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Originally posted by: razr
Im not the greatest tv fan but I havnt seen any adverts for RE4. It will be released on PS2 soon, and it will have worse graphics .
That'd be me. And the RE4 ads were few but they weren't on until at least 9:30.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 29, 2005, 09:26:40 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on April 30, 2005, 09:45:27 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k After all, 100 crap games don't make your library one bit better.
Tell that to the millions (AND MILLIONS) of the PS2's fans. If ya SMELLLLLLL what peice of crap EA...is...cookin.
Post by: Uglydot on April 30, 2005, 10:30:49 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Ymeegod: Where are the ratings for the GC games? I'd like to count how many are above 85% for each system. After all, 100 crap games don't make your library one bit better.
If they sell well, it will in the long run.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 01, 2005, 01:23:36 AM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on May 01, 2005, 03:46:53 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on May 01, 2005, 05:44:38 AM
2. Fight Night Round 2 GC EA Sports 29 7.5 85.7% 85.4%
3. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect GC EA Games 28 8.7 84.8% 84.3%
4. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat GC Nintendo 38 8.2 82.3% 81.8%
5. Star Fox: Assault GC Nintendo 40 8.2 72.1% 72.1%
6. FIFA Street GC EA Sports Big 22 6.4 61.4% 60.2% "
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2005, 05:55:59 AM
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And each month sales are less and less, which means even less support (just imagine if EA drops it's lineup then what?).
True, i'm throwing my GC out the window if Madden 2006 isn't released for it.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 01, 2005, 06:47:24 AM
. I mean really short, that was my only gripe with the game and a bit to easy. Post by: KDR_11k on May 01, 2005, 06:57:04 AM
Post by: Mario on May 01, 2005, 11:41:21 PM
Post by: Raven52 on May 05, 2005, 06:14:08 AM
My gripe with Nintendo started with the N64. The system had some great games and started off very strong but the Playstation library of games was just flat out more appealing to me. That carried over to the PS2 as well. Also, Nintendo totally dropped the ball with online capabilities. Online is becoming a big part of console gaming. The Gamecube even has online capabilities but they never really pushed it. SOCOM 1 and 2 sucked up about a year of gaming time from me. I even wore out a PS2 playing those games (which isn't that hard to do anyway).
But the funny thing is that I still felt like something was missing. I really missed playing games such as Metroid, Zelda, and Mario. So I went ahead and dropped $100 on a used Gamecube, Metroid Prime, controller exention cable, and memory card. Was it worth it?, YES! I spend a little over 19 hours playing Metroid Prime and I still only got to 80% completion. So then I picked up Wind Waker for $17 used and I haven't been able to put the controller down! I guess after I finish Wind Waker, I'll pick up Mario Sunshine. Then there are games like Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 2 which I plan on picking up soon after. I have to say that I am glad I finally picked up a Gamecube.
But I will say this, Nintendo better have something awesome up their sleeve for the next system because The X-Box 360 is looking to be an incredible system. And the PSP is so much more better than the DS that you really can't compare the two. Although from what I understand, the DS is not the next GameBoy. So I guess the DS was just a pre-requisite to something better? But Nintendo could capitalize because from what I have read, developers are getting very frustrated with the new "cell" technology that the Playstation is supposed to use. The one good thing is that Nintendo should always do better than X-Box in Japan.
Post by: zakkiel on May 05, 2005, 01:53:55 PM
QuoteThat kinda ended all hope of me taking you seriously, ever. I have no idea what criteria anyone could use to call the Xbox 360 incredible. In every respect it looks to be thoroughly mediocre. The PSP as a platform surpasses the DS in exactly one capacity, and that is raw graphical power. The price of that power is a pathetic battery life, ridiculous cost, and a lineup that consists almost entirely of ports and probably will at least until the next generation. When Nintendo decided to design a new handheld, they sat down and figured out how the unique characteristics of a handheld could be used to implement new gaming features. When Sony created a handheld, they sat down and asked themselves how they could convince people to buy a crappier version of their PS2 for three times the price to carry around with them.
The X-Box 360 is looking to be an incredible system. And the PSP is so much more better than the DS that you really can't compare the two.
Edit: Forgot media playing. Add a second capacity to the PSP over DS. Since I'm a gamer and want consoles for games, however, this represents precious little added incentive.
Post by: Dasmos on May 05, 2005, 03:59:29 PM
Post by: Korkidog on May 07, 2005, 08:12:04 PM
Regarding the PSP, from what I have read, drop it and kiss your high dollar hand held goodbye. Sure can't say that about the GBA. I have one which I have dropped more than once, and have never had a problem with it working after doing so.
Post by: nolimit19 on May 12, 2005, 11:40:50 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 16, 2005, 02:24:54 PM
1. Zelda
2. Geist
3. Advance Wars
4. Fire Emblem
Worthwhile Exclusives Left for the PS2:
1. FF XII
2. Kingdom Hearts 2
3. Romance of the Three Kingdoms 10
Worthwhile exclusives left for the Xbox
1. Conker
Which one is dying again?
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on May 21, 2005, 05:50:28 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Worthwhile Exclusives I still want for the Cube:
1. Zelda
2. Geist
3. Advance Wars
4. Fire Emblem
Worthwhile Exclusives Left for the PS2:
1. FF XII
2. Kingdom Hearts 2
3. Romance of the Three Kingdoms 10
Worthwhile exclusives left for the Xbox
1. Conker
Which one is dying again?
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Post by: Ymeegod on May 21, 2005, 10:27:55 PM
2. Geist
3. Advance Wars
4. Fire Emblem "
Geist still doesn't look or play like anything to great.
Advance Wars isn't coming to the GC--that project was renamed Batallion Wars--most likely to seperate the franchise and I think nintendo doesn't want to tarnish the "Advance Wars" franchise.
The only two that are a must are Zelda and FE IMHO, the other two are 50-50. There's also that Mario Soccer game which perk my interest quite a bit.
There's also Ninja Gaiden Black for the Xbox (in case you're confused this is a followup, NG2 hasn't been official announced yet). Plan on picking up GTA: SA (I have a PS2 but couldn't stand all the pop-ups) and Burnout Revenge.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 22, 2005, 06:42:09 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 22, 2005, 06:52:35 AM
I guess to each his own, but I'm just not interested in racing games or the bi-annual prostitute shooting sim. I played GTA:SA already... it was a decent take on the series (certainly better than Vice City), and I liked the RPG elements, but I think they're really grasping for straws at this poin. I have a hard time seeing where they're going to go with the next-gen release.
Not that jumping out of a plane with no parachute, wearing a gimp suit and weilding a menacing purple penis isn't fun, but somehow it feels like "we've all done it" at this point.
Post by: heinous_anus on May 22, 2005, 11:11:16 PM
Then that list above is completely subjective; going on that, there are arguably some good/great games still coming out for the box, SA included. Does it not count that MS is now undoubtedly "winding down" the Xbox's life in preparation for the soon-to-be-released 360?
Honestly, if they kept nearly the same engine for GTA4 with (undoubtedly) spiffier graphics, and, of course, a setting/story change, I'd be right there to lap it up. Somehow, playing through a different iteration of "Goodfellas" every couple of years doesn't get old...particularly when that spin is immersed in trash 80s pop culture.
Post by: jasonditz on May 23, 2005, 08:31:03 AM
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Originally posted by: heinous_anus
"I guess to each his own, but I'm just not interested in racing games or the bi-annual prostitute shooting sim. I played GTA:SA already... it was a decent take on the series (certainly better than Vice City)..."
Then that list above is completely subjective; going on that, there are arguably some good/great games still coming out for the box, SA included. Does it not count that MS is now undoubtedly "winding down" the Xbox's life in preparation for the soon-to-be-released 360?
Honestly, if they kept nearly the same engine for GTA4 with (undoubtedly) spiffier graphics, and, of course, a setting/story change, I'd be right there to lap it up. Somehow, playing through a different iteration of "Goodfellas" every couple of years doesn't get old...particularly when that spin is immersed in trash 80s pop culture.
Its subjective, but I tried to pick worthwhile titles that weren't already available on another system. I missed several worthwhile Cube titles too... if you'll notice, because I was using EB's list and not showing anything multiplatform.
It of course counts that the Xbox is being wound down to end of life... that was actually the whole point (the Xbox being a lot more dead the Cube).
Keep in mind, that GTA was a great game too, and GTA2 kept nearly the same engine with spiffier graphics and a setting/story change. It still sucked.
Post by: heinous_anus on May 23, 2005, 11:06:57 AM
I don't know what your point is with the GTA 1/2 reference. If you have a successful formula, a la GTA3, why bother changing the entire engine to release another game? If they had kept every single mechanic the same on, say, Link to the Past, and just plopped Link down into a different setting and situation, surely it wouldn't be a bad game simply because it didn't "change" anything from its predecessor. Vice City is a spectacular game in that respect.
Also, when directly comparing Xbox to Gamecube releases, I would certainly count San Andreas as being "exclusive," because we have no way to play that on the Cube. This applies to PS2/GC releases as well - Xbox owners aren't going to get that Megaman X Collection.
Post by: jasonditz on May 23, 2005, 01:34:24 PM
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Originally posted by: heinous_anus
Then I guess a more appropriate question is "based on the expected lifespan of each console from this point to the release of each successive next-gen console, which console is 'doing' the worst?" - which console is "dead" in taking into consideration the appropriate amount of games/hype/etc. typically seen by a console that has 5 months left/1 year left/etc.
By that logic the N64 can't be called dead, right? Sure, its got no games coming out, but since its expected lifespan is over, its doing as well as can be expected.
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I don't know what your point is with the GTA 1/2 reference. If you have a successful formula, a la GTA3, why bother changing the entire engine to release another game? If they had kept every single mechanic the same on, say, Link to the Past, and just plopped Link down into a different setting and situation, surely it wouldn't be a bad game simply because it didn't "change" anything from its predecessor. Vice City is a spectacular game in that respect.
My point was GTA had a successful formula and was an excellent game, and GTA2 didn't try to make any radical chanes to the engine or the play style, it just created a new story. And it was lousy. That's not to say GTA4 might not be good, but its not guarenteed to be.
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Also, when directly comparing Xbox to Gamecube releases, I would certainly count San Andreas as being "exclusive," because we have no way to play that on the Cube. This applies to PS2/GC releases as well - Xbox owners aren't going to get that Megaman X Collection.
Right, but I was comparing all three in the first place. The Xbox is obviously the one that's going to "die" first, since its replacement is coming out soonest. I was just showing quality "exclusive" titles for all three to dispel the notion that the Cube has a somehow weaker remaining lineup than the competition
Post by: Arbok on May 23, 2005, 02:00:22 PM
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Originally posted by: heinous_anus
I don't know what your point is with the GTA 1/2 reference. If you have a successful formula, a la GTA3, why bother changing the entire engine to release another game? If they had kept every single mechanic the same on, say, Link to the Past, and just plopped Link down into a different setting and situation, surely it wouldn't be a bad game simply because it didn't "change" anything from its predecessor.
That worked when I was young, doesn't work anymore. I didn't even bother finishing Resident Evil 0 as I played so much out of the RE: Remake that I just wasn't interested when I got it. If nothing is changed up drastically in the game it makes me ask, why bother? Especially at the rate that some of these games come out, like I couldn't fathom getting a Mega Man Zero game each year. Some games escape this beacuse the previous entry was so damn good, such as Pokémon, Advance Wars, and GTA3, but even those will get old if new things aren't brought to the table.
Post by: jasonditz on May 23, 2005, 03:06:43 PM
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Post by: Ymeegod on May 28, 2005, 09:35:21 PM
What-a-minute--did I miss something. Have you seen the lastest releases and upcoming for the xbox? It's about the same as the PS2 :0. The only one that's decreased by awhole lot is the GC, sure there's Big N own developed titles but there's not alot of others--Riggie said it best "there's the upcoming batman begins and there's EA titles" when asked about 3rd party support.
Right now I'm enjoying Psychonauts (the best platformer released this year so far) and I just finished Oddworld's Stranger and haven't really gotten that far into Jade Empire but first half of the year is one of the best for xbox owners IMHO.
There's another drought for GC owners but at this point in time I think Nintendo fans are used to it.
Post by: Mario on May 28, 2005, 10:50:22 PM
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Right now I'm enjoying Psychonauts (the best platformer released this year so far)
Jungle Beat says NO.
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on May 28, 2005, 11:25:41 PM
Oh my.
Now I understand why Lucasarts canned Sam 'n' Max 2. Because they thought people would rather play games like Jungle Beat instead. I feel very, very sad right now.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 28, 2005, 11:37:18 PM
The setting lends itself so much better to an adventure game. Think of the humor, think of the characters... come on!
Ben, Lucasarts canned Sam 'n' Max because it's obvious when looking at Psychonauts where all the traditional LA humor and charm went.
Psychonauts being a platformer still pisses me off though... it's a constant irritation under my skin while I play the game. It pisses me off. Tim Schafer should be working on what he does best, and Psychonauts isn't it.
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on May 28, 2005, 11:39:23 PM
I haven't played Psychonauts...it looks good and all, but I almost barf when I see the character's potato-esque character design (I just don't like the twisted style). I know, that's not a good exuse for avoiding a good game--I haven't opened Pimkn 2 for similarly dubious reasons. That said, DKJB is an arcade game....can we really compare it with Psychonauts?
But yeah, I don't care about Sam 'n Max 2, other than its cancelation underlining the Star Wars #@$@#-fest LucasArts has become. I didn't play the original and wasn't about to buy the sequel. I'm not about to buy one of those Star Wars games made instead, either, so perhaps my opinion holds no value.
Post by: Mario on May 29, 2005, 12:19:43 AM
I love the game with a passion, I take every opportunity I can to give it a good word and make sure more people get to experience it.
Now i'm curious Aussie Ben, what don't you like about Jungle Beat? I can't think of any flaws, unless you hate videogames. You're the first person (assuming you've played it) i've known who hasn't loved it, I NEED ANSWERS!
Post by: Ymeegod on May 29, 2005, 05:09:17 AM
I'm looking forward to the sequel as well but I still give the overall nod to Psychonauts. Sure there's the overall camera issues but I love the art style and comedy.
Saddly I don't see an Psychonauts sequel in the future especially considering the overall piss-poor sales but just like all his other games--this one's a classic in my book.
Post by: IceCold on May 29, 2005, 03:21:27 PM
Don't give me that
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 29, 2005, 05:42:59 PM
I'm more disappointed that if a platformer doesn't sell he won't even consider an adventure. In and of themselves, the poor sales appeal to the selfish, spiteful brat within me, although I know the game honestly isn't that bad and deserves better sales... just don't you dare rape my childhood memories by mentioning this in the same category as his classics.
Slightly back on topic: I'd give DKJB the nod because it doesn't piss me off everytime I play it. Games shouldn't piss you off when you play them.
Completely back on topic: The Gamecube will only be dead once Zelda comes out and I finish playing it. There... now this thread has completed a revolution.
Post by: KnowsNothing on May 29, 2005, 06:51:30 PM
I haven't played Psychonauts, but I can't see what this game really has going for it. It looks like every other 6/10 platformer out there. But I haven't played it, so I guess it could be good. I guess. There's absolutley NO WAY that it's better than Jungle Beat. Humor, imaginative graphics, and better-than-average characters don't make up for mediocre gameplay, epecially in a platformer. DKJB has all of those, PLUS the most innovative controls and brilliant level design in any platformer ever.
Of course, I also agree that Jungel Beat and Psychonauts shouldn't be directly compared. so whatever.
Post by: jasonditz on May 29, 2005, 09:29:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ymeegod
"Does it not count that MS is now undoubtedly "winding down" the Xbox's life in preparation for the soon-to-be-released 360"
What-a-minute--did I miss something. Have you seen the lastest releases and upcoming for the xbox? It's about the same as the PS2 :0. The only one that's decreased by awhole lot is the GC, sure there's Big N own developed titles but there's not alot of others--Riggie said it best "there's the upcoming batman begins and there's EA titles" when asked about 3rd party support.
I just don't see it. When its comes to quality games it doesn't seem like this year's GC lineup is any thinner than last year's. I guess the same could be said of the Xbox, but then, they only ever get 2-3 really high quality exclusives per year anyhow.
Post by: Aussie Ben PGC on May 31, 2005, 12:21:25 AM
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Oh hay, just have to voice my.....voice on this matter; anyone who doesn't like DKJB is a loser. Anyone who calls DKJB short is also a loser. I'm guessing Aussie Ben doesn't like it because it strays too far from the DK games put out be his beloved Rare, to which I say: DKJB is just as good as the DKC games, and Rare sucks now, so haw haw haw.
There must be several losers out there then, because Jungle Beat bombed horribly.
As for me, I dislike the game because of its absolute DESPERATION to be noticed. It practically screams out "HEY! HEY!! HEY!!! LOOK!! REMEMBER!! DON'T LOOK AWAY!! COLOURS!! HEY!! HEEYYY!! HEEEEYYYYY!!!!!" every time you take a step forward. Not to mention the blaring sirens. And the firework-like explosions. And the horns.
I'm also not too fond of character design based on the "Let's pick two random objects and combine them" method. Like the chicken/tree. And the pig/koosh. And the elephant/volcano. And the bird/helicopter. And the phallic, fuzzy...I don't know what they are. Ice things?
But anyway, if you love this kind of game, (and it appears that you do!) more power to you.
Love, luck and lollipops,
Ben
Post by: Deguello on May 31, 2005, 12:48:30 AM
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I'm also not too fond of character design based on the "Let's pick two random objects and combine them" method. Like the chicken/tree. And the pig/koosh. And the elephant/volcano. And the bird/helicopter. And the phallic, fuzzy...I don't know what they are. Ice things?
Or maybe like those bee/buzzsaw/automobile things from DKC3?
Post by: Mario on May 31, 2005, 12:49:45 AM
(Back on topic? There was no real base to this topic to begin with)
Post by: RABicle on May 31, 2005, 02:22:30 AM
More like at every oppurtunity Jungle Beat goes out and earns fist. Stop being weak, the reason why those clowns down at DK Vine and other assorted sites don't like it is because they've been given a face full of a game that tears down their ridiculous little universe while managing to be incredibly entertaining and fun. They don't want to enjoy it because they are in denial.
Post by: vudu on May 31, 2005, 08:42:14 AM
QuoteSorry to veer off topic again, but quick question: How's Psychonauts handle with a keyboard and mouse? I heard the controls can be frustrating, so I'm a little weary of it. Thanks.
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I'm playing Psychonauts on the PC
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 31, 2005, 10:05:42 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on June 04, 2005, 03:21:04 PM
Did I say I disliked Junglebeat? No, I simply stated it was short and easy--anyone care to argue with those points? It would have made a killer arcade game or maybe a budget game--hell even a bundle (nintendo should have gone with this one instead of Jungle Beat) but $40 (or $55 with bongos) for 4-8 hours is a bit much.
And Psychonauts recieved an 91 for an average score (from Gamerankings) and I would rate it around 8.5 myself (didn't care for the last few levels, the camera had some issues, and you really didn't much freedom in using your powers which is my biggest gripe now that I'm done with it). What's the sense of having powers when you really can't use them
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