Post by: meldavid on April 13, 2005, 06:03:15 AM
While there have been games like Dragon's Lair which were essentially comprised of just interactive cut scenes, I think Resident Evil is the first to use them in this fashion. And to great effect too!
Oh, I s'pose Shenmue had them before RE4 did, but the buttons weren't randomised so you could memorise the sequence.
I think doing cut scenes this way would be excellent for RPGs and adventure games where some people tend to just skip them, lol.
Post by: cronotrigger913 on April 13, 2005, 06:26:25 AM
Post by: meldavid on April 13, 2005, 06:38:01 AM
Making cut scenes interactive like in RE4 isn't really that hard to implement in a game so I don't think developers would be too lazy to try it. And considering the success of RE4, some of its ideas are surely going to be copied.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 13, 2005, 06:46:14 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 13, 2005, 07:13:41 AM
The scanning in Metroid Prime hasn't caught on for the same reason. It's a subtle way of telling the story in a non-linear way and requires the player to actually think and do stuff. The casual gamer wants something more obvious and straightforward.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 13, 2005, 07:27:43 AM
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 13, 2005, 07:41:57 AM
Post by: Renny on April 13, 2005, 07:42:15 AM
Also the quality of the pictures were... well, ass. The game consumed a full 59 blocks and still couldn't give you anything better than a thumbnail record of your effort. I would have loved to: A - have seen Nintendo not even bother with the 59MC and just take an early loss on the 251MC allowing for a larger maximum save size; and even better, B - release the SD adapter over here for additional storage for games like BG&E where you wouldn't need the space for the game save [which Nintendo are far too protective of; fine, whatever, just give us more room for ancillary features at least] but simply for multimedia either generated ingame, or imported into the game. If only Ubisoft coud have quietly supported the adapter. But that would require effort beyond straight porting, even some hacking....
*Please note my use of this word isn't for effect. I didn't want to use a pre-existing term for games that would lead to confusion. And Nintendo's name for it is charming, if grammatically incorrect.
Also, if this is too OT then I'll gladly create a seperate thread just for photography in games.
Post by: trip1eX on April 13, 2005, 08:17:11 AM
Same with the pc game Half Life 2. You talk to characters without ever leaving the game. Much more immersive.
Post by: cronotrigger913 on April 13, 2005, 08:26:25 AM
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Originally posted by: trip1eXI haven't played RE4 yet (it's on the way) but they should take out cutscenes all together. I liked Metroid Prime which didn't really have any. The story was told in game.
Same with the pc game Half Life 2. You talk to characters without ever leaving the game. Much more immersive.
Just wait until you play with the interactive cutscenes, you might just change your mind on this subject, but I do like your examples.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 13, 2005, 09:04:04 AM
Still, not all casual gamers are there to play a "movie". Of course, I don't have statistics on that (would make for an interesting but not very useful study), but of the casual gamers I know, about half love the cutscenes and about half hate them. Some casual gamers are there for a show, but a lot are still there to play games, and, as one put it, "Blow s**t up". I think the real barrier will be that most developers aren't creative enough to be bothered...making the scenes interactive means developing them with interactivity in mind, which does take a bit more creativity. You can't just make movies, you have to figure out how they'll be playable...and you also have to start doing most things with in-game graphics instead of FMV (which is a good thing in my opinion, but maybe not as far as some others are concerned).
Post by: vudu on April 13, 2005, 09:11:13 AM
QuoteActually, Doom 3 copied the same story-telling technique (collecting PDAs and reading e-mail), and it worked very well. I hear the new expansion relies more heavily on cut-scenes and it supposedly doesn't have the same effect.
Originally posted by: Ian Sane
The scanning in Metroid Prime hasn't caught on for the same reason. It's a subtle way of telling the story in a non-linear way and requires the player to actually think and do stuff. The casual gamer wants something more obvious and straightforward.
Post by: IceCold on April 13, 2005, 04:45:39 PM
QuoteLOL - they probably played too much "Mercenaries"
Originally posted by: couchmonkey
... and, as one put it, "Blow s**t up".
Post by: Famicom on April 13, 2005, 05:53:54 PM
OK, I don't miss it THAT much, but it was pretty fun while it lasted.
Post by: Miyamoto Osaki on April 13, 2005, 09:05:35 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 14, 2005, 02:03:36 AM
Post by: Renny on April 16, 2005, 02:45:51 PM
This topic also reminds me of Wild Earth. Is that project dead? Maybe it's getting a next-gen console release on the Xbox365. Published by Ubi, with PS3/Rev port work done by Shanghai. That actually would make a good launch title for the Xboxn. It would take my interest level from zero to greater than zero, at least.
Post by: Rancid Planet on April 17, 2005, 02:21:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Remember a huge chunk of people regard games as interactive movies. That's why we get so many games with endless cutscenes, obvious puzzles, linear progression, and dumbed-down difficulty. I hate that but a lot of games go in that direction so I imagine interactive cutscenes won't become very common.
And Prince Of Persia 2 got such good reviews...ZING!
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 17, 2005, 07:52:19 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 17, 2005, 08:29:29 PM
RE4's interactive cutscenes deserve recognition for being executed/implemented well and being included in what's already an excellent game. But I think Shenmue II wins in the departments of variety and abundance.
Post by: Rancid Planet on April 27, 2005, 12:05:51 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
RE4's interactive cutscenes deserve recognition for being executed/implemented well and being included in what's already an excellent game. But I think Shenmue II wins in the departments of variety and abundance.
Well, as gamer who prefers a nice balance of innovation/fluid gameplay I really like the way that RE4 implemented the interactive cutscenes. The only time I really thought they could have uped the stakes a little was during the fight sequence with your military buddy. It only took me three times to get it right. Something like that should have you working at it all day! A better variety of button presses and a variety of reactions for partiular ones would have made the whole sequence perfect.
But yeah I like videogames...
Post by: trip1eX on April 27, 2005, 05:42:41 PM
Post by: mantidor on April 28, 2005, 07:45:04 AM
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Originally posted by: MrMojoRising
Yeah, some of the RE puzzles are really tough.
You are being sarcastic, right?
In the club Nintendo magazine they did an interview to the guys at Retro and I remember one of the things they mentioned is that no matter how cool an idea is from another game, they just cant copy it. I dont think will be seeing a lot of interactive cutscenes in games in the near future.
Post by: Rancid Planet on April 28, 2005, 10:28:02 AM
