Post by: joshnickerson on April 09, 2005, 11:19:24 AM
http://www.rydia.net/joshnickerson/dp/metpin.jpg
But the bad news is that it's made by the same jerks who made Mario Pinball Land.
(awaits Ian's griping
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Post by: Renny on April 09, 2005, 12:53:34 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 09, 2005, 04:11:35 PM
(Oh, and I don't want Ian bitching...He already bitched out this game when it was first announced
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Post by: Noble~Feather on April 09, 2005, 05:43:06 PM
An instinct that tells me this game is going to suck.
Post by: Mario on April 09, 2005, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: Arbok on April 09, 2005, 06:56:56 PM
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Oh, and I don't want Ian bitching...He already bitched out this game when it was first announced
This game deserves a second round of bitching now that we have learned more, this sounds more like it should have been something fun to unlock in Metroid Hunters rather than something you pay for by itself.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 09, 2005, 07:00:55 PM
Post by: nickmitch on April 09, 2005, 07:03:27 PM
Post by: Savior on April 09, 2005, 08:19:43 PM
Post by: darknight06 on April 09, 2005, 08:27:02 PM
Wow, two REALLY bad screen captures and you're up in arms? C'mon now...
I remember playing Mario Pinball, and a lot of the problems seemed to stem from being on the GBA. It's resolution was too low to do a vertical setup, so they opted for the psuedo 3D which didn't work because the game had no 3D engine to work with, which showed pratically everytime you used a flipper to hit the ball. Game had some very iffy physics. From what I've seen of the screen caps so far it seems to be a two screen tall vertical pinball environment instead of psuedo 3D which IMO is already a good sign. As far as physics are concerned, I'm quite sure the DS is far more capable of crunching those numbers also. Before I comment further I want to see some live footage, but as for right now it doesn't look bad.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 09, 2005, 08:54:52 PM
But now we have new evidence for potential suckiness with the Mario Pinball team on board.
Personally I don't see why Nintendo decided to make this considering all the various factors.
1. Why a pinball game? Seriously where's the demand? That's like the supreme lazy cash-in genre for when you're trying to squeeze that last dollar out of franchise. Plus where's the logic in releasing another shallow game for the DS when there's clear need for something like a REAL Metroid game in the DS lineup?
2. Why does the company that made the first universally panned Mario title (that wasn't educational) get to work on another game using a major franchise? If you can't make something as simple as Mario Pinball work you don't deserve to be working on a Metroid game. And why are these guys working on ANOTHER pinball game? If you f*cked up the first one maybe you should work on a different genre. These guys proved that they suck at pinball games so it seems pretty silly to have them work another one. This isn't like their expertise or anything. If you hire me to paint your house and I screw it all up it doesn't make sense to hire me again.
The worst thing is that judging from the screens it's just a generic pinball game. There was hopeful optimism that maybe this would be something like the morphball areas in Metroid Prime but it certainly doesn't look like it is. This is clearly nothing more than a cash grab from a company that recently seems to think that whoring franchises is what their legacy is based on. There's no artistic reason to make this game. It's an unessential sequel from a company that became one of the most well respected developers ever because they never released a sequel unless it had a reason to exist. As a fan that became a fan because of that very reason I find this sheer PRODUCT unacceptable.
Post by: thepoga on April 10, 2005, 12:30:59 AM
It looks kind of like the same concept with the timers and bosses. The guys who made it made Pro Pinball, which was a very good pinball game. Maybe Mario pinball was a fluke. I'm not gonna say whether the game is bad or not, because it only matters if it's fun. But the concept of using Metroid for pinball is really odd. Metroid shouldn't be made into a farce like this. It's one of the more serious games, and when a franchise character (mario, sonic, etc) is made into a pinball game, it's comical almost. But it's not even cool, like how Odama is cool. It makes you say "woah. What?" instead of just saying "what?".
Post by: Deguello on April 10, 2005, 06:20:31 AM
Are we unfamiliar with Mario is Missi... oh nice qualification. How about Hotel Mario? Oh right, not made by Nintendo... But But... alright. Mario Paint. Bam. Most reviewers didn't like Mario Paint. Most people didn't like Mario Clash on the VB either.
As to why in the world Fuse Games gets to make this, A) Mario Pinball actually sold pretty well for a "universally panned Mario Title" (if by universally panned you mean "less than half of the reviewers gave it a 5 or lower" or something) and B) IIRC Mario Pinball was made by 2 people. As in Two. One person and another person. Mario Pinball is very impressive with that fact.
What I can't stand is that you ascertain all these supposed ills and troubles that Metroid Pinball has from a group of blurry scans. You know absolutely bupkis about this game other than it's title. Please wait until more is known about it before you start plagueing in the internet with your mock rage.
PS Edit. I don't remember Metroid Pinball being the sequel to anything. And finally, Ian, this game deserves to exist more than that redundant franchise sequel Castlevania DS which clearly does not need to exist from an artistic standpoint.
Post by: Robotor on April 10, 2005, 03:06:34 PM
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Post by: wushupants on April 10, 2005, 08:09:21 PM
Post by: Mario on April 10, 2005, 08:18:37 PM
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Pathetic... simply pathetic. Reducing an intergalactic, incredibly respected and feared bounty hunter, to a mere... pinBALL... that's the kind of thing some like to call "running out of ideas." I mean seriously, what is this? some sort of marketing gimmick to introduce the Metroid series to kids? It's utter crap!! I mean, knowing Nintendo, the professionalism of the game is bound to be flawless but, the concept itself is just pathetic. Not to bash on Nintendo, being that I'm a die-hard fan, and I would dare say the DS is my new-found love but, why sink this low? I'll pass on this one.
Whoa... ahaha. Firstly, pinball is awesome, and how on earth is pinball for kids? The concept is not pathetic, the concept is brilliant, Samus in morph ball mode can add a crap load of things to a game of pinball, the franchise is probably the best one to use in a pinball game. What I am worried about, though, is that the developers won't let this game reach it's full potential, the potential is HUGE, and I hope it turns out awesome.
Post by: wushupants on April 10, 2005, 08:26:03 PM
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Whoa... ahaha. Firstly, pinball is awesome, and how on earth is pinball for kids? The concept is not pathetic, the concept is brilliant, Samus in morph ball mode can add a crap load of things to a game of pinball, the franchise is probably the best one to use in a pinball game. What I am worried about, though, is that the developers won't let this game reach it's full potential, the potential is HUGE, and I hope it turns out awesome.
Man, that's some misunderstanding. I'm talking about reducing someone with such a reputation as a violent and stylish bounty hunter... into a PINBALL! And as much potential as it seems this game has, it would've just been better to use some other character, or even maybe some completely new one, as opposed to Samus! And what I meant about the kids comment is that, knowing Nintendo, they won't make it a pinball game in where you kill space-pirates somehow. They'll make it more appealing for every age... as usual. And yes... let's indeed hope it turns out better than people think... including me. One thing's for sure... with so many new and creative additions to the DS library, I'm certainly not speding money on this game unless it has like a 10 out of 10 rating and the replayability level is ever-lasting.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 11, 2005, 02:02:49 AM
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on April 11, 2005, 09:38:10 AM
Post by: Mr. Segali on April 11, 2005, 01:37:25 PM
Chances are, it'll suck too...
If I were Nintendo and I wanted to make a pinball game, I would make an updated version of "Pinball" for the NES (the one with the seals and penguins). It's still my favorite pinball videogame.
Post by: altf4 on April 11, 2005, 05:38:50 PM
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 15, 2005, 05:13:20 AM
This game seems to be correcting those mistakes. It looks like a pinball game one, and it should be able to handle the graphics and speed for a Pinball game.
I hope its good. There are demands for good pinball games now that the arcade scene is dead for pinball.
Post by: Miyamoto Osaki on April 15, 2005, 05:39:42 AM
Post by: darknight06 on April 15, 2005, 06:49:05 AM
This game seems to be correcting those mistakes. It looks like a pinball game one, and it should be able to handle the graphics and speed for a Pinball game.
I hope its good. There are demands for good pinball games now that the arcade scene is dead for pinball."
Agreed, and like I said before I believe a lot of the problems with Mario Pinball came straight from being a GBA game, trying to do 3D with 2D sprite scaling and a static background.
