Post by: dack25 on April 07, 2005, 07:01:42 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on April 07, 2005, 09:58:47 PM
Post by: slingshot on April 08, 2005, 04:21:55 AM
kinds of games first- to work into the new gen gameplay and graphics. All new REV games should be better than all current
cube games, but they don't have to pull out all the stops in the first time around. Designers have to learn what the REV
is capable of doing, and gamers will be having a blast just enjoying the better graphics and gameplay to notice a really
deep story line, or a great game immediately. Some simple- but fun, and rocking, games could be a fantastic placeholder and
introduction to the console, and then you pull out the big guns when they are ready. _like some amazing new RPG.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 08, 2005, 04:28:46 AM
The 3 games I would expect for Nintendo to have a launch would be:
Mario (An absolute must)
Super Smash Brothers Melee (Show a fighting game can be done on the system, and Smash Brothers with the Gyros would be amazing.)
Metroid Prime 3. (If Retro got started on a Metroid game right after finishing Prime 2, then it is completely possible for this game to be available during the launch window of the system.)
Another Launch game that could be awesome would be the return of Pilot Wings.
Anyway, if Nintendo launched with that lineup, and was also supported by 3rd party support. Then Nintendo will have a great launch.
Here is something to think about. If Nintendo is really making something revolutionary then some 3rd parties may already know about it, and may have signed on to create a unique game or two. (Just like they have done with the DS.)
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 08, 2005, 05:04:27 AM
(Seriously, I need a sequel)And if Retro must have a title out for launch I want something new, not Metroid Prime 3...
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 08, 2005, 05:30:42 AM
I personally wouldn't mind Luigi's Mansion 2. It wasn't a bad game, it just was rushed and not fully actualized. a new version of the game could be very cool...specially with Gryos.
Looking around the Mansion would be a totally new experience. Pressing buttons could activate the flashlight, shoot water,fire and such. It could be a great game.
Luigi's Mansion was great. If it had focused on more complicated puzzles it would have been brilliant.
How about a Pikmin 3 (Online) for a relatively new Nintendo experience on the Revolution. Imagine Designing the game where you raise Pikmin to fight. You can even mix color Pikmin to create different colors with new abilities. (For example. Send Red Pikmin into the blue base and they gain the ability to swim. Send Blue Pikmin into Red bases and they gain ability to fight better.) Spending time management on creating stronger Pikmin is important, but also managing the battle. Could be fun.
Post by: kennyb27 on April 08, 2005, 06:00:08 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2005, 07:35:17 AM
I agree that there should be a least two big first party titles: a Mario title and something brand new. The Mario title of course is for the fans though it's important that it be both a new Mario title (none of this 64 DS or Advance crap) and a "real" Mario title in that it's a platformer (and a non-gimmick one so no Jungle Beat bongo stuff). The other game doesn't necessarily have to be a dark mature title it just has to be something new. Not new in the sense that it's Mario or Kirby or whoever in a new type of game but in that the characters, the franchise, everything is new. Nintendo's current franchises don't sell systems anymore. They're the games you buy if you already have the console. Brand new stuff is most of the time what sells consoles. The new game should also look different than Nintendo usual stuff. By that I just mean not cutesy. Metroid for example isn't overly dark and violent looking but it looks different than Nintendo's other stuff. Retro Studios in fact would probably be the ideal company to work on the "other game".
Other important items are at least one multiplayer focused title (thought the "other game" could be that) from Nintendo and at least one exclusive game from the big five Japanese third parties (Konami, Capcom, Sega, Namco, Square Enix). These don't have to be really major, just something solid that people actually want to buy (so no Disney sports). It can be as easy as just a new Ridge Racer from Namco or a Dragon Warrior V & VI compilation from Square Enix (boy would THAT be an RPG killer app for the US). It would ideal to have these be from a variety of genres so that there's variety. Having a car themed racer and a fighting game for example would balance things out and would establish early on genres that Nintendo themselves isn't known for.
And just because it attract some more attention and it would be cheap and easy to do I think a pack-in of some sort would be ideal. I'm thinking a Metroid Collector's Disc similar to the Zelda one with the original three Metroids on it. Having Super Metroid for free with the Rev would attract a few extra sales I think.
Another way that gaps in the release lineup can be filled is with ports of rare games that are hard to find used now or are Japan-only. Ports can look like rehashing but when the port is Radiant Silvergun it looks like less of a rehash and more like a service for those that don't want to have to deal with high Ebay prices. Normally I'm against ports but that's for titles like Mario where the original game is very easy to find used and there's no real demand or need for a re-release. But a Castlevania collection with Symphony of the Night and the Japan-only Rondo of Blood on it? That's cool. That's taking legendary games that are near impossible to find a copy of and making them available again. Plus in that case it's an easy exclusive to get from Konami.
And of course there's Madden and Tony Hawk which you're going to get anyway and should get since the competition will have it.
Post by: Pale on April 08, 2005, 09:50:35 AM
A _revolutionary_ new Mario title.
A new Smash Bros. title showcasing the great new online system.
Even if those are the only 2 first party titles at launch it would easily be one of the greatest launches ever, especially considering that, to non GCN owners, the new Zelda could be a legitimate launch title.
QuoteFalse. See above.
Nintendo's current franchises don't sell systems anymore
Post by: Ian Sane on April 08, 2005, 10:11:41 AM
Well if you have some evidence of a Nintendo franchise game on the Cube that sold anything even close to GTA3 or Halo then I guess I'll have to agree with you. If Nintendo franchises still sold systems then the Cube, which has practically nothing but Nintendo franchise games, wouldn't be in last place with very few games that have sold over a million copies. It doesn't matter how revolutionary a new Mario game would be. People who aren't already Nintendo fans see "Mario" on the box they think "rehash". It's not always a fair assumption but that's just how it is. When a company is unfairly criticized for rehashing releasing nothing but franchise games at launch isn't going to improve things at all. It's unfair and it's stupid but that's just how it is.
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 08, 2005, 11:01:21 AM
I think a brand new game, or a resurrection of a great old game would be terrific though to add spice to the revolution.
I would love a Pilot Wings Revolution. Though, I would want the level progression to go from flight school to stunt flying to military dogfights. The original Super Nintendo Pilot Wings had that great last level rescue mission. That needs to be resurrected again.
Other concepts would be welcome. Though I would question Nintendo's ability to create a fully actualized new franchise for the Revolution launch. I would rather them develop exciting franchises and release them early to let new stuff come later.
Why would existing franchises be easier to release in the timeframe? They already have an existing feel, concept, and design principles. The art direction is usually decided and the world is most complete. A new game would feel rushed.
Post by: nemo_83 on April 08, 2005, 11:52:35 AM
That is why they need something totally original that is palatable to the GTA and Halo gamers. At launch they need to scream that they are not teh kiddiz system.
Post by: wandering on April 08, 2005, 12:14:26 PM
The large new game might be:
-a new Miyamoto game that utilizes the Revolution's new capabilities to the fullest. Either a whole new franchise or a new Mario game.
-a new, full length Metroid game from EAD or Retro.
-a new, full length Kid Icarus game from Nintendo or a second party.
The smaller games could be anything, but Nintendo needs, as a lot of people have said, at least one multiplayer game (SSBM, hopefully), lots of 3rd part support (Super Monkey Ball, anyone?), and at least one mature game (exclusive first person shooter from Free Radical?)
I'd also like to see at least one pack-in (preferably built right into the system) that shows off the system's capabilities. I'd want Something similiar to Luigi's Mansion or Metroid Hunters: First Hunt. It could even be the system's token Mario game, if they aren't planning on having a bigger one at launch.
Finally, it would be really, really, nice to have online-ready games at launch. Probably won't happen, knowing Nintendo, but, you never know...
Post by: nemo_83 on April 08, 2005, 01:30:31 PM
I want to see Metroid and Zelda be their largest projects with the largest worlds. For example a Metroid in which you go to several different planets and do some bounty hunting.
Post by: nickmitch on April 08, 2005, 01:54:33 PM
What it really needs is 1 good game to show of all the fancy new bells and whistles (mario), 1 game to show off online (SSB), and a must have (old school come back).
After that all Nintendo would need is 3rd party support and some good games waiting for you down the road. There would have to be at leaste 3 good march releases and stuff to have you waiting for E3 as far as 1st/2nd parties go.
Post by: dack25 on April 08, 2005, 06:21:03 PM
Post by: 09n on April 09, 2005, 04:27:57 AM
If, as I think Nintendo will, they make new games to franchises they should make a new mario and a new SSBM and, at least very soon after the launch, they will need to bring out a new Zelda.
As well as this it should team up with creative assembly to create an exclusive Total war (or warrior) for the launch. However that will depend on how well Shogan performs on the DS. Anywho Nintendo need to get some more third party exclusives for the next generation launch because other wise Sony and microsoft will have snapped them all up. (If I am getting a little off topic I appologise it does seem more like general advise the more I reread it).
Post by: LuWoo75 on April 09, 2005, 06:38:37 AM
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Post by: ThePerm on April 09, 2005, 04:11:18 PM
1 3d fighting game
1Mario game
ea's sports lineup
1 rpg
Smash Bros 3.
2 New Games..one small scale one large scale.
and heres a thought what if Nintendo actually had their own sports lineup...they need to get in the ea biz....release a sports game every year with slight upgrades.
Post by: IceCold on April 09, 2005, 09:41:21 PM
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Post by: zakkiel on April 12, 2005, 09:24:50 AM
And, of course, there should be entirely new games. And at least one of these should be mature. Part of the reason Nintendo's innovations get treated as gimmicks is because their really innovative games tend to be Pikmin, Pacman, and Animal Crossing. I guarantee you if the Pikmin had been armies of shambling zombies, it would have made a much bigger splash. Do all novel game concepts have to involve bright colors and happy noises? The only reason I can see for Nintendo to restrict itself this way is simply the belief that they'll get more money with that E on the cover, and at best that's shortsighted. Be a little daring, Nintendo. Reach a bit for that 14-28 demographic. They're the big market, and they have a limited appetite for cutesy.
I would like the Rev Zelda to be huge. Not simply in terms of geography, with tons of filler like they had in WW, but a long main quest with at least ten full dungeons, minidungeons, extra powerups, side quests, colorful npcs. For extra powerups, they should bring back spells and have many more special attacks you can acquire, although you would only be able to get a few of them with any one character (thus adding a little more RPG and replay value, and making combat more diverse). With all that in mind, I don't need to push for Zelda coming out in that six-month window. Besides, Nintendo can't front-load the launch schedule too heavily. You can't just rely on 3rd-parties for the next two quarters.
But if you want to get third-party support, you have to sell systems, and if you want to sell systems, you have to have lots of games pretty much from the getgo.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 12, 2005, 09:38:59 AM
Blasphemy. Pikmin is one of the few Nintendo games made today where the graphics look surreal and arty like Mario did on the NES and SNES. It's more weird than cutesy. Pikmin's not a problem. Mario sounding like a Sesame Street reject cleaning up paint in the brightest coloured game ever made was a bigger deal. Pikmin had shading and lighting that made the backgrounds look very realistic (in Pikmin 2 they went with a clay animation look). Mario looked like a damn preschool game (though ironically it was quite difficult) with non-detailed characters and primary colours all over the place. Pikmin was creative. Super Mario Sunshine looked childish. There's a big difference.
Post by: trip1eX on April 12, 2005, 10:07:41 AM
That F-Zero GX game has lots of characters that would appeal to 13 yr olds and it isn't cute. They could take some of those guys and make a fps or platformer or adventure game or spaceship game set in the future.
Anyway I don't want to Nintendo to go more cute. I like Mario and Pikmin and Zelda and Prime and others. But Animal crossing is a bit too cute as is Kirby's Air Ride (simplistic too.)
Post by: Luffy1Piece on April 12, 2005, 12:28:15 PM
First and Second Party Titles
New Super Mario Bros
Super Smash Bros Online
New game that starts a new franchise for Nintendo which either is very appealing to the American market(GTA or Halo) or is equally appealing to both US and Japanese markets (RE or MGS). Having Retro work on this title would be a great idea. Online play for this title would also be huge plus.
Camelot RPG. We know one is in develpment, they just need to hopefully have it finished and localized in time for the US launch.
Third Party Titles
Namco: New Ridge Racer or Soul Calibur IV
Capcom: Resident Evil 5, a new Viewtiful Joe, or if they can reinvent the series to take advantage of what the Revolution offers, then Mega Man 9 or Street Fighter IV.
Konami: Since the Castlevania team is tied up right now with two new titles, a new CV is unlikely for launch. I'd say instead they should go for a new reinvention of the Contra series. Maybe toss in a Winning Eleven in there for good measure.
Sega: New Sonic game. It's Sega's best selling franchise and is the game that would be most beneficial to Nintendo in regards to helping drive Revolution sales.
Square-Enix: Some new FF VII related game.
And of course the typical EA Sports and new Tony Hawk games that we see pretty much on every system.
Post Launch
For the next six months after launch Nintendo should have a reinvention of an old classic series released(Punch-Out being an easy one to develop) along with something else like a Wario Ware game. By the end of the first year they also need to have a new Metroid and yet another new big franchise starting game available. By the end of the second they should try and have another Camelot RPG, another reinvention of an old abandoned Nintendo franchise(Perhaps Kid Icarus this time around), possibly a sequel to the new franchise game that the system launched with and a new Zelda. For third party support, they defintely need Dragon Quest IX on the system even if it's not exclusive, just so long as it makes an appearance on the Revolution. Same for GTA.
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 12, 2005, 12:38:17 PM
Shenmue Final
Golden Sun 4(3 will be on the DS)
F-Zero Universe
Reggie Go's to Harlem.
Super Mokey Ball 3
and then...
a bunch of crap. What Nintendo launch would be complete without a bunch of crap. Not that i dont love Nintendo but the law of averages says something has to suck. Lets just hope its not something major.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 12, 2005, 06:05:28 PM
i smell success
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 12, 2005, 06:12:19 PM
Camelot is NOT working on a DS game right now...They have gone on record to say so...
Not that i dont love Nintendo but the law of averages says something has to suck. Lets just hope its not something major
You better not be referring to Luigi's Mansion because I'll have to smash heads...
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 12, 2005, 06:31:55 PM
Though I'll also readily confess to preferring Pikmin somewhat.
Post by: Nile Boogie on April 13, 2005, 07:50:26 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on April 13, 2005, 12:58:22 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 13, 2005, 01:01:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Bill Aurion, if Golden Sun 3 is not coming to the Ds this year, I buy you a 2-liter of your favorite soda and a case of hotdogs. No really its coming, I'm so sure bcuz my friend said so. She's always wrong so when I asked her about Golden Sun3 she said the same thing about Camelot not working on anything for the Ds. So there. ITS ON THE WAY BABY, SHERRI IS NEVER, EVER RIGHT!!!!!
But *I* am, so I completely throw off that balance...
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Post by: King of Twitch on April 16, 2005, 07:28:42 PM
"Mario, Pilotwings, F-Zero, and a regular Sim City for launch would make my day. A Pikmin with more expansive environments would be good too; call it Pikmin 3000.
For everyone else there should be a Madden, an exclusive Time Splitters 4, Baiten Kaitos 2 or Golden Sun, and an exclusive new franchise/concept game to round it out.
By Christmas there should be Mario Kart, Raven Blade, Wave Race, Rogue Squadron 4, co-op Viewtiful Joe, and Resident Evil. And some kind of bundle."
I think it still stands pretty well now, but..
--I'm not expecting anything exclusive in the future
--A Mario Kart soon afterwards seems even more likely now, with the arcade game and all. Probably Smash Bros too, but that's pushing it.
--There weren't as many revival games making a comeback as I thought there would be, maybe it'll be different on the Rev
--Being backwards compatible may make more bongo-centric sequels likely as filler; actually I just remembered, it doesn't look like DK:JB did so well..
--Miyamoto said Mario would be more mature in SMS and would have big levels where you can look over a high point to see what's going on, yet the game clearly shied away from anything of the sort. I'd like the next one to be more expansive. i.e. have more than a few measly levels, return to platforming.
--DON'T blow small game details out of proportion.
--DO release more game info/screens/etc leading up to its release.
That is all.
Post by: Caillan on April 16, 2005, 07:44:34 PM
Post by: PowerHair on April 18, 2005, 10:29:14 PM
-A game with plenty of guns, sex and swearing
-An FPS with unbelievable graphics
Actually what about an entirely adult launch lineup to shatter some images?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 19, 2005, 04:04:45 AM
Actually the timeframe is perfect for Nintendo launch with 3 games:
Mario (which really is a must, and if it is genre defining once again like Mario 64 was then it will be a system seller.)
Super Smash Brother Melee (The ultimate game to launch to please all of Nintendo's loyal Base.)
Metroid Prime or some shooter from Retro (I think Retro has proven themselves with Nintendo, and will either be able to create there own game soon or be given much more freedom over the Metroid franchise...a true FPS with a FPA feel would be great. Also, we need somethign special for multiplayer.)
I also wouldn't be surprised to see Mario Kart Arcade with enhanced graphics right around launch.
Post by: Praxis on April 24, 2005, 09:33:16 PM
Super Smash Bros game, must be online
Zelda or Metroid Prime.
