Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 01, 2005, 08:58:52 AM
Here are two links, one with a scan, one without. If you have EGM, check it out....
Link 1 --- Scan (scroll down a bit)
Link 2 --- No scan
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 01, 2005, 09:14:46 AM
(I'm sure you meant "confirmed to be online," correct?)
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 01, 2005, 09:40:10 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 01, 2005, 09:43:05 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 01, 2005, 10:38:41 AM
How do you deal with lag for this kind of game?
Post by: Artimus on April 01, 2005, 11:42:52 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
I really, really don't think it's going to be online.
How do you deal with lag for this kind of game?
The same as you do for any other game? A shooter? A real time strategy? Racing games are online right now.
There won't be any sort of low-band problem because routers don't work with dialup anyway...
Not putting Mario Kart online would be a huge mistake, words cannot even describe it. I know I wouldn't be buying it. I don't need another version of the game that I have to play by myself. Two is enough. Online and I'll be first in line at the store.
Post by: dack25 on April 01, 2005, 01:29:30 PM
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Post by: Bloodworth on April 01, 2005, 10:29:56 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 01, 2005, 11:03:31 PM
So let me get this straight. You're expecting Nintendo to build enough servers in the likely infinitesimal amount of time between their online launch and the release of Mario Kart to be able to not only cope with the demand but run a preponderance of lag-free games.
If you're going to tell me you'd rather want them to delay it, save your breath. I'll take Mario Kart DS early over online any day. Plus, there's enough people complaining about the dearth of games already.
Post by: darknight06 on April 02, 2005, 04:05:51 AM
More like Gamespy ain't it?
Post by: Artimus on April 02, 2005, 07:35:23 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"The same as you do for any other game? A shooter? A real time strategy? Racing games are online right now."
So let me get this straight. You're expecting Nintendo to build enough servers in the likely infinitesimal amount of time between their online launch and the release of Mario Kart to be able to not only cope with the demand but run a preponderance of lag-free games.
If you're going to tell me you'd rather want them to delay it, save your breath. I'll take Mario Kart DS early over online any day. Plus, there's enough people complaining about the dearth of games already.
You are the single most selfish gamer I have ever met. EVERYTHING with you is "Who gives acrap what the other ten million Nintendo fans say! I AM RIGHT." Always! It's absolutely insane. Mario Kart DS offline would be identical to every other Mario Kart. You want to play it? Fine. Go grab a cheap copy of it for GBA, N64, SNES or Gamecube. ALL THE SAME GAME.
The world is NOT about you. Get it? There is not a single good reason to not put Mario Kart online other than you being selfish and wanting it NOW NOW NOW. Now Mommy Now! I WANT IT NOW! Fine, Veruca, fine. But there are other people who own these systems too and Mario Kart DS online would be the sole reason we by the game. Why? Not all our friends have a DS so we can't play multiplayer otherwise. Get it?
Mario Kart offline would be a mistake. Tough.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 09:14:39 AM
Oh, right, I hadn't thought of that. Hmmm.
"You are the single most selfish gamer I have ever met. EVERYTHING with you is "Who gives acrap what the other ten million Nintendo fans say! I AM RIGHT." Always! It's absolutely insane. Mario Kart DS offline would be identical to every other Mario Kart. You want to play it? Fine. Go grab a cheap copy of it for GBA, N64, SNES or Gamecube. ALL THE SAME GAME."
Hi pot, I'm kettle. Pleased to meet you.
How about you show me where "the other ten million Nintendo fans" say that they want online, instead of parading your opinion around like everybody else shares it. I probably speak for more people than you do. There's more to Nintendo fans than what you see online. Including online in a game is pandering to a minority, as far as I know.
Since the minority has been vocally outspoken in wanting MKDS online, I figured I'd step in and provide the other point of view, speak for what I think is the silent majority... putting it in might delay the game, and I don't want that.
And no matter what your viewpoint, I'm sure you agree with me that a delay of MKDS at this point in the game, where owners are questioning why there aren't many games... would be very, very bad.
I don't even have a DS yet. I'll buy one when MKDS comes out... online or not. And the reason for that is the same reason what you call "the same game" is consistently a good seller across systems... because it's a consistently good game. How presumptuous of you, by the way, to imply that it's only a different game when what you want to be in it is included. I'm sure there's a lot more people who want this game on their DS than people who only want it on their DS if it's online.
So how about you stop being a hypocrite. Little Veruca Salt wants her online whether the rest of the world gets their MKDS late or not? Tough luck, send her down the garbage chute. And then do a little song and dance afterwards.
The world isn't about you either. Message boards are a place to pretend that it is. You think your opinion is important? It isn't, and neither is mine. So don't call me out on it when you're doing the same thing yourself, mmmkay?
Post by: Artimus on April 02, 2005, 10:23:58 AM
MK late? Who said late? There isn't even a date as far as I know. What if someone had said "Goldeneye doesn't need multiplayer, that'll just delay it another few months! Scrap that." Or would that be ok for you too? The point is that I'm not syaing you shouldn't get MK, or that there shouldn't be a feature you really want. I'm saying that having online will sell games, and not having it will sell less. I want Nintendo to be successful so that their systems thrive. You want it now, screw the future.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 10:46:15 AM
Oh, wow. Suddenly the DS's online hinges upon MK being online, and the DS's dearth of games is suddenly okay.
"The idea that Nintendo isn't perfect is something only people who hate Nintendo (like the staff of PGC and IGN) would say."
Did you somehow miss the various insinuations I've made that right now, there aren't enough games on the DS? You're implying there are. Who's not considering that Nintendo isn't perfect? Or do you only agree with negative opinions on Nintendo as long as they support your so far baseless opinion of online being crucial?
"I'm saying that having online will sell games, and not having it will sell less. I want Nintendo to be successful so that their systems thrive. You want it now, screw the future."
No, no. Here's the full implication of what you're saying: "Nintendo shouldn't bring Mario Kart to DS as early as possible if it means sacrificing online. Never mind the people who need more good games on their DS right now. I want online, screw them." I'm saying "Nintendo is facing a very serious perception that there aren't enough games and therefore Mario Kart DS should be released as early as possible while maintaining its quality, online or no online. If online will make it later, scrap online." My argument is that at this point in the DS's lifespan, MK early without online is better than late with online. Early with online would of course be best, but that doesn't seem very realistic.
You're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, only for the other side. So let's drop the pretentiousness here and just recognize that we have different opinions of what's important for the DS right now.
Post by: ThePerm on April 02, 2005, 10:50:10 AM
Post by: Artimus on April 02, 2005, 11:15:23 AM
If you want to sell the DS then yes, you need more games. But crappy games that don't match up to either the promise made by Nintendo or the competition will do just as much damage as no games. If not more. Nintendo has several key games coming out. I want Mario Kart, yes I want it soon. But were not talking a year or two here, we're talking a matter of months. Months that make the difference between a killer ap and another rehash of the same game.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 11:36:34 AM
Where we disagree is your opinion that online is "the difference between a killer app and another rehash of the same game." I'm sorry, I don't believe that crap. Online does nothing for me, whereas you seem to worship it as the be-all and end-all. We're both guilty of wanting Nintendo to follow our opinion.
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2005, 11:50:53 AM
Anyway, we all have our opinions, and I don't think that Paladin is being selfish at all - he just has a different view of what Nintendo should do than you.
Post by: Artimus on April 02, 2005, 04:41:07 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 05:53:22 PM
Post by: darknight06 on April 02, 2005, 06:18:07 PM
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2005, 06:43:59 PM
Post by: Mario on April 02, 2005, 06:51:03 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
So we agree on the fact that Nintendo needs Mario Kart and soon.
Where we disagree is your opinion that online is "the difference between a killer app and another rehash of the same game." I'm sorry, I don't believe that crap. Online does nothing for me, whereas you seem to worship it as the be-all and end-all. We're both guilty of wanting Nintendo to follow our opinion.
So uh, wouldn't making it online make BOTH of you happy? As opposed to it not being online and only YOU are happy? Do you get it now? Adding an online option to a game would only make it better. You're acting as if if Nintendo made it an online game it'd be ONLY playable online. Give it a rest. Having the extra option to play a videogame online adds to it's value and for a LOT of people, would make it more fun.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 06:51:11 PM
"So uh, wouldn't making it online make BOTH of you happy? As opposed to it not being online and only YOU are happy? Do you get it now? Adding an online option to a game would only make it better."
If you're going to try and take potshots at my argument, make sure you understand it first. I'm not saying offline is better than online. I'm saying offline and early is better than online. So no, making it online wouldn't make both of us happy if adding online meant it would take longer to come out, which is most likely the case. We're all being equally selfish, it's just I'm not deluding myself that Nintendo going through with my opinion would make everybody happy.
Post by: Savior on April 02, 2005, 07:10:30 PM
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Including online in a game is pandering to a minority, as far as I know.
Hmm. If Online fans were a "minority" then the DS wouldnt be getting online games. Really, the world evolved around more than just you and this extreme anti online fanatism of yours. They wouldnt be making an investment and a partnership with Gamespy if it was a "minority"
Oh and once again, ill be shocked shocked if MK isnt online.
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2005, 07:22:44 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 07:26:41 PM
"Extreme anti online fanaticism"? Right, good for you. You've figured me out. I'm a brainless moron who hates online for no reason whatsoever. There's no point arguing with an idiot like me, you're better off spending your truly dizzying intellect on somebody else.
Don't bother, IceCold, I've been trying for a while now. You win a cookie though.
Why are you still arguing with me, Savior? You've already figured me out. My argument is stupid and holds no water. My whole stance "against" online is baseless and idiotic. Why are you beating a dead horse?
"Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, actually had the best single player mode of all 3 according to the critics. Its got one of the most popular online multiplayer modes on Xbox live as well. Its an ok argument but if the developer is good, its not gonna happen."
Yes, and the online component took absolutely no time to implement. It just magically appeared on developers' desks. There was no time they spent on online that they could instead have spent making the single player even better. It's just too bad I played the demo and walked away thoroughly unimpressed... that's my fault though, not the developers'. Oh, and the Xbox situation is exactly the same as the DS situation, because the Xbox is also currently suffering from a severe lack of good games.
Post by: Savior on April 02, 2005, 07:34:38 PM
Simply using Xbox live as an example, is slightly biassed.
Never the less, you still dont explain why 1.If we (im pro online) are a minority why would Nintendo care? and 2.Whats the problem with Mario Kart being online? I dont understand why it would have to be delayed to get it online, last time i checked it didnt have a set release date, except it was near to Animal Crossing Onlines release date. Its also logical to think that Nintendo wouldnt announce a Full Online Program with One game.
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Nintendo to focus on online at the expense of the game quality,
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, actually had the best single player mode of all 3 according to the critics. Its got one of the most popular online multiplayer modes on Xbox live as well. Its an ok argument but if the developer is good, its not gonna happen.
Post by: Mario on April 02, 2005, 08:07:27 PM
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I'm saying offline and early is better than online.
I thought you might have implied that for a second but then i dismissed it because it just sounds so absurd. Adding online would not delay the title significantly, and Nintendo's release schedule doesn't really revolve around when a title is done, they release it. Look at Kirby DS for example, ready to go right now, but they're delaying it until June. Ignoring that, I'd still rather wait longer for a better product. Look at Wind Waker, two dungeons taken out to get the game released in time, wouldn't you rather have them in it? I certainly would.
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Is that right. Then explain to me how Xbox Live players form a minority of Xbox owners?
Because Xbox Live is expensive.
Post by: darknight06 on April 02, 2005, 08:10:22 PM
And I can definitely agree with this logic. However, on the same note this game is supposed to be released in Europe quite soon if I'm not mistaken. If so then that means the game would have to be pretty far along by now wouldn't it? Chances are they're probably almost done with the game anyhow, it's running at a solid 60fps, and feedback has been quite positive about it.
Now also consider when the US version is supposedly going to be released. (Q4) Besides language, what do you think they'll be doing with a pretty much finished game in the meantime. I highly doubt it's just going to sit there and do nothing for a few months time...
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 08:29:44 PM
Yes, but would you want to wait longer for a product that doesn't enhance your experience in any way? Surely you can see what I'm getting at. What if Nintendo delayed Wind Waker to add more seagulls? That's what adding online is like to me, adding more birds. I recognize that other people want online, just like I'm sure there are people out there with a bird fetish, but that doesn't really relate to me, and I wouldn't want a game to take longer to come out just to appease those people... especially not if it was delayed at a time when the Gamecube had a serious image problem of not having enough good games.
"Now also consider when the US version is supposedly going to be released. (Q4) Besides language, what do you think they'll be doing with a pretty much finished game in the meantime. I highly doubt it's just going to sit there and do nothing for a few months time..."
Yeah, I want to know what's taking them so long. Why isn't Mario Kart out now? It should be out NOW. This is when Nintendo needs it. If they delayed it just to add online, then they've proved my point.
Just to clear up any confusion, "game A comes out somewhat later than it would have, even though no release date had been mentioned" amounts to "game A was delayed" in my book.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2005, 10:01:49 PM
QuoteYeah its all about you. You want it now, and you are ignoring the bigger picture.
Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Yes, but would you want to wait longer for a product that doesn't enhance your experience in any way? Surely you can see what I'm getting at.
QuoteThat is what benefits everyone the most.
"Ignoring that, I'd still rather wait longer for a better product."
PaLaDiN what make you think that even though you wouldn't initially use the online capabilities of the game, that once you have beaten the game to death and no longer find it fun from lack of challenge, that maybe you wouldn't try out the online mode for additional challenges and also find that down the line that it really did enhance your replay experience by extending it indefinately.
Don't you think that if MK64 (DD wasn't as good imho) & GE was online that all of us might still have our 64's hooked up? Would we even be worried that we have beaten all challenges and all of our friends, now where is the sequel?
A year from now I don't wanna be asked about MK DS and reply "Oh yeah that game was cool for a while"
I wanna reply "Oh Yeah. I'm playing it right now!!!"
QuoteI personally think it should be out when it is done. Make it the most complete and memorable experience now, that will only make it even more worth my gaming dollars.
Yeah, I want to know what's taking them so long. Why isn't Mario Kart out now? It should be out NOW. This is when Nintendo needs it. If they delayed it just to add online, then they've proved my point.
If your point is to appeal to those that want a game now that leaves them wanting more, instead of giving the game a little more time, leaving everyone thinking that they couldn't have asked for more, then I really have nothing left to say........
Post by: Savior on April 02, 2005, 10:05:42 PM
How does adding seaguls add to replay ? Im not going to replay the game if theres more seaguls. Its not the same thing
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 10:11:10 PM
"Yeah its all about you. You want it now, and you are ignoring the bigger picture."
It's not just about me. There are plenty of people who want good games for the DS NOW. Not later. You're missing the bigger picture too... you want online, whether it means Nintendo has to shoot themselves in the foot or not. The DS is currently experiencing a drought of good games. You're asking Nintendo to prolong that drought so you get games you will enjoy a little more.
"That is what benefits everyone the most."
You guys need to stop it with this stupid attitude. It doesn't benefit everyone the most if it means the game has to be delayed. What about the people who don't care about online? There's more of those than the people who do, you know. Why should they have to wait just so that you can play the way you want to? You're being just as selfish as you say I am... it's just I'm the only one acknowledging my selfishness.
"I personally think it should be out when it is done. Make it the most complete and memorable experience now, that will only make it even more worth my gaming dollars."
Funny, I share the same philosophy. Here's the difference: adding online does not make it more worth my gaming dollars. Now, you can delude yourself and think that I'm alone here, or you can wise up and realize this issue isn't black and white and your solution doesn't satisfy every person on the planet.
"Adding online adds to the games Replay factor.
How does adding seaguls add to replay ? Im not going to replay the game if theres more seaguls. Its not the same thing"
See... there you go. You've got the same attitude towards birds that I have towards online. To people with a bird fetish, adding birds adds to the game's enjoyability. If you want me to rephrase it in terms of replayability, fine: how about each time you play the game through again, there are more birds? Doesn't that strike you as a thoroughly useless waste of development time? That's what online is to me.
Adding online doesn't add to the games Replay factor for everybody. What about people who don't have broadband? What about people like me who don't care about online? Stop treating your opinions as fact.
"Mario Kart isn't coming out in June. There's no difference between September and November. If it was a delay from may to November, mayb you'd have a point. But as far as we can tell it'll be late summer at the earliest."
Yes there is a big difference. Right now is when people are deciding which portable to buy. If Sony comes out with a killer app in September and Nintendo delayed Mario Kart from September to November to add online, there goes a whole lot of people to Sony's side.
Anyway, I'm out of here. Have fun missing my point and convincing yourself it doesn't exist a little more.
Alright, one more.
"I'm missing where online adds so much time to the dev process."
Hence all the "if"s in my arguments? I'm concerned with the hypothetical situation that online means longer dev time, which makes sense to me. You would think that somebody would by now have comforted me and said it was just hypothetical and making stuff online was a lot easier than I thought it was and the reason Mario Kart is taking so long to come out has nothing to do with Nintendo adding online... but no, it seems people want to give me a heart attack by repeatedly and obstinately attacking my opinion that online isn't enjoyable with theirs that it is.
Post by: Artimus on April 02, 2005, 10:17:51 PM
Have you never played a game online? Do you not realize that a small percentage of gamers doesn't mean a small number of gamers? Do you not realize the potential of being able to play multiplayer games anytime without needing friends with systems? Do you not realize if the game is going online it will be one of the main features and not some side thing they're delaying it a year just to add at the last minute?
Mario Kart isn't coming out in June. There's no difference between September and November. If it was a delay from may to November, mayb you'd have a point. But as far as we can tell it'll be late summer at the earliest.
Post by: Bloodworth on April 02, 2005, 10:30:52 PM
Also, you can say what you want about delays, but do you think Goldeneye would have even been noticed if they didn't throw in multiplayer at the last minute?
With a free, wireless, and easy-to-use connection, Nintendo could cause a huge expansion in the online market, so it may benefit more people than you think.
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2005, 10:35:09 PM
QuotePaladin just nailed it there. Haven't you guys heard of the saying, "To each his own.."??? Geez
See... there you go. You've got the same attitude towards birds that I have towards online.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2005, 10:49:08 PM
QuoteDo you think we would have ever put down (last gen) if it was also online?
Originally posted by: Bloodworth
Also, you can say what you want about delays, but do you think Goldeneye would have even been noticed if they didn't throw in multiplayer at the last minute?
Post by: Mario on April 02, 2005, 10:51:44 PM
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It's not just about me. There are plenty of people who want good games for the DS NOW. Not later.
There are already good games now.
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What about the people who don't care about online? There's more of those than the people who do, you know.
I think you're wrong there. What are you basing this on? The fact that people didn't want to pay for Xbox Live?
Post by: Don'tHate742 on April 02, 2005, 10:52:49 PM
Damn Paladin, you must see that maybe.....just maybe you'll enjoy an online experience. You can say no...NEVER! But you never know, an online MarioKart would be halarious wouldn't it?
As for this thread...it went to hell.....Bloodworth lock it if you want...
Post by: Mario on April 02, 2005, 10:56:54 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 11:01:51 PM
"Damn Paladin, you must see that maybe.....just maybe you'll enjoy an online experience. You can say no...NEVER! But you never know, an online MarioKart would be halarious wouldn't it?"
No. My honeymoon with online came and went half a decade ago. We're the bitter divorced couple now.
"I think you're wrong there. What are you basing this on? The fact that people didn't want to pay for Xbox Live?"
Let's ignore the people like me for the moment... what about the people who don't have the capability to go online in the first place? Last I heard, those numbers were still pretty high.
"Do you think we would have ever put down (last gen) if it was also online?"
Wow, you have really high expectations of online gaming... you know, I was once like you. I predict you'll be as thoroughly bored and jaded with online in a few years as I am now.
I second the motion to lock this thread. This isn't a debate, it's more of an uncoordinated mass gang assault against one or two people. I need some help dealing with the sheer volume.
Post by: Mario on April 02, 2005, 11:11:55 PM
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Let's ignore the people like me for the moment... what about the people who don't have the capability to go online in the first place? Last I heard, those numbers were still pretty high.
All you need is a Nintendo DS. I don't see why people without a Nintendo DS would buy Mario Kart DS.
Post by: IceCold on April 02, 2005, 11:11:58 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 02, 2005, 11:17:43 PM
I was talking more in general for that one, but whatever. You'll need a wireless router and a broadband connection as well, unless I'm mistaken.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 03, 2005, 08:04:11 AM
Please? I've seen figures that estimate online play takes about 1/3rd of a game's development time to implement properly and test thoroughly.
Post by: darknight06 on April 03, 2005, 08:20:57 AM
Yep, and unless you plan to visit your local hotspot for your daily Mario Kart fix, getting a router will run you from $60 to $100 depending on how much you want it to do and what kind of quality you want as well.
Post by: Savior on April 03, 2005, 08:55:19 AM
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well, unless I'm mistaken.
you could go to Starbucks, or any other local wifi hot spot, (And theres tons of those in USA)
Your right in saying that theres extra complicated stuff to go online. But thats why Nintendo wants to simplify the process. Not only that but by subsidizingthe online process to Gamespy, that allows Nintendo to spend more time producing the game itself. Hence, a faster, and better product. Which should appease you.
Oh and while Broadband induction is smaller, it has gone up substantially. By the time The Revolution hits, it should be even higher an cheaper. Going against it now, is like stopping a train. Its inevitable.
Post by: Artimus on April 03, 2005, 09:33:46 AM
Whoever mentioned wireless multiplayer was right on. The software has to be in there if you want ANY multiplayer, the programming is already done. And Nintendo has to encourage other people to go online with their own games or no other company will (see: Gamecube). You said you had a nasty divorce with online. Well, tough love. It will not take 1/3 longer to add online. We are living in a new world and the possibilities of having a wireless DS where you can play anyone in the world are exciting. Perhaps it will suck, but surely it's worth Nintendo taking a shot? Maybe it'll be simple, easy and an amazing way to play the DS?
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 03, 2005, 11:46:50 AM
If Nintendo was making a GC title online I wouldn't really care, I'd live with it. But that's because the GC already has a lot of titles and amazing games.
"you could go to Starbucks, or any other local wifi hot spot, (And theres tons of those in USA)"
We still don't know if Starbucks is on board. That would be cool and would help the problem somewhat, but at this point it's still jumping to conclusions, right?
It seems there's still a lot of confusion as to just how much time online takes, how much Gamespy is helping and how exactly Nintendo is planning this whole thing. I think I'll just wait to find out more for now...
Post by: Artimus on April 03, 2005, 01:10:58 PM
Also, I don't find any denial about a lack of games. In another thread I called it the DS's sole problem. I have been critical of it. I've sat watching reviews be mediocre and once again decide I didn't want that game. I haven't touched my DS in a month. I own one game. A port. It sucks. Trust me, I know better than you what the shortage is like. Seeing how I actually own the system. But in the next few months we have:
Pac Pix
Polarium
Egg Monster Hero
Kirby
Bomberman
Meteos
Nanostray
Metroid Prime
Castlevania
Those are just the potential big sellers from now til the end of summer. When you consider Mario Kart isn't coming out until after then, not such a big deal. The current MK release date still stands as sometime in November. The difference between November and September is nil. It's not coming out this spring regardless, so this delay you keep talking about doesn't exist.
You're blinding yourself to what exists already. Instead of imagining the possibilities you're resigned to the problems that exist now. Open your mind a little, bub.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 03, 2005, 01:53:08 PM
And that's a nice list but none of those games are as big as Mario Kart and you know it. My point still stands.
Post by: silentbob on April 03, 2005, 03:45:15 PM
Post by: Cleon_I on April 03, 2005, 04:59:49 PM
On the topic of whether it should be on-line or on-time, my opinion is that delays are less harmful than reduced functionality. Everyone has the ability to wait longer, but no one can go in and add new features after a game has been released. From Nintendo's perspective, the people who care about multiplayer gaming are more likely to pick up a copy if it has online gaming, and the people who don't give a crap about it will probably still buy it. Also, since this is the first iteration of Mario Kart to have support for online play, it could potentially be a strong system-seller. A small few may decide to give up on the DS because of the delay, but this will be more than made up by people who are drawn in by the promise of online play. So, it's a win-win situation for Nintendo.
Paladin, my advice to you is to either suck it up and wait for Nintendo to release the game when they've finished it, or look elsewhere for your kart-racing fix. There's certainly no shortage, and I know you can't have played all of them. Meanwhile, whining about it accomplishes nothing other than irritating the other members of this forum. (granted, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think at this point you've made your opinion clear.)
Post by: Bloodworth on April 03, 2005, 05:55:38 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Adding online would not delay the title significantly
Please? I've seen figures that estimate online play takes about 1/3rd of a game's development time to implement properly and test thoroughly.
The difference is that we're talking about games that are already being designed for a wireless multiplayer structure that has to handle up to sixteen players and potential lag over various distances. I know there are additional concerns with online, but I'm fairly confident that "one third" figure probably includes creating new modes of play, multiplayer maps, and processing data from all of the different players. That number likely also came from PC developers who additionally have to worry about ironing out communications between different system architectures and operating systems - a concern that doesn't apply to dedicated devices.
Post by: Bloodworth on April 03, 2005, 05:57:49 PM
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Originally posted by: silentbob
kirby, castlevania and metroid prime are as big as mario kart, if not bigger. stop being a butt and be like "yay online play is coming wooo"
Metroid Prime Hunters might be as big or bigger than Mario Kart, depending on how well it turns out. Kirby and Castlevania? Good games, but no match for Mario Kart when it comes to popularity.
Post by: silentbob on April 03, 2005, 07:07:34 PM
metroid prime is as big as mario kart, if not bigger (because it came with all the dSs dUh). stop being a butt and be like "yay online play is coming wooo"
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 03, 2005, 10:43:02 PM
So, likely October or November.
As such, there are about 4-5 months btwn now and then that can be used solidly for programming that game (I cut out a month or two for manufacturing and distribution).
...Yea, I would be surprised if Mario Kart DS wasn't Online.
Particularly in the face of Nintendo's GDC statements where they claimed:
1)that wireless kits would be in the hands of developers by E3 (which by extension, would mean their own first party teams will have had them prior, perhaps even before now.)
2)that it would be very easy for developers to expand their LAN-enabled multiplayer games to support the Nintendo-Gamespy server infrastructure using the new dev kits.
It would seem tho that the DS' Summer flagship Metroid Hunters is indeed out of that possible window (unless online-ready kits were available for NST from the beginning of this year)...ah well -__-
BTW, GAWDDAMIT PalAdin!!!
...rockin' avatar.
Like some Viewtiful Samus or something.
Sweetness.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 04, 2005, 06:16:18 AM
So since we'll be waiting for six more months no matter what, I think it's reasonable to expect online play. And I also think it's a good move for the game to be online because Nintendo needs a mainstream title to promote the DS' online capabilities. Animal Crossing online will be awesome, but it won't sell the DS like Mario Kart online. If this was really a question of having the game right now or having it in October, then I might feel differently but I don't think Nintendo is delaying just for online, I think it's a business strategy that Nintendo will follow even if the game is offline and almost done.
P.S. Actually, I wouldn't feel any differently even if the game could be available right now. I'm in love with Wario Ware and Yoshi Touch N Go and I don't need anything else for a month or two. Seriously, don't skip these games because of the reviews. Rent them if you're worried about the whole length thing. In the worst case scenario you'll have fun playing them to death and getting some use out of your DS, in the best case scenario you'll realize they're awesome and add them to your collection.
Post by: Ian Sane on April 04, 2005, 09:05:19 AM
