Post by: ruby_onix on March 24, 2005, 12:22:25 AM
Nothing too shocking. Igarashi considers Curse of Darkness on the PS2 to be his real baby, and Castlevania DS is just a side-project.
Curse of Darkness will have experience points, because that will attract girls to the series. This coming from the guy who struck Castlevania Legends from the "official" Castlevania history because it had a female protagonist, and thinks that adolescent males are turned off by that prospect. He also apparently didn't like Maria being a playable character in the legendary "Dracula X: Rondo of Blood", but he was able to dismiss it as a "joke".
Most of his personal time and his division's funding is going into Curse of Darkness.
The character designs for Castlevania DS were just contracted out to some anime production company, rather than being drawn by modern Castlevania mainstay Ayami Kojima, because he wanted her to focus entirely on Curse of Darkness for the PS2, and not be "distracted" by Castlevania DS. And it's just the character designs that are coming from this nameless generic anime company. The game won't feature any Dracula X-style anime scenes, or any other anime influences.
He doesn't think that the "Castlevania series" and the GBA were ever really a match for each other anyways, so he's not concerned that Castlevania DS might be missing what has become one the more "vital" elements of the series. He's hoping that the anime character designs in Castlevania DS will attract children to the series.
Oh and, the sound quality in Castlevania DS should be better than it was in the GBA games.
Post by: Deguello on March 24, 2005, 12:50:24 AM
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Post by: Hybrid Hunter on March 24, 2005, 12:58:32 AM
Thats all i gotta say about that.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 24, 2005, 01:15:43 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 24, 2005, 09:13:32 AM
It was fantastic! Everything about it was great. I hope that it turns out to be better. It'll be another reason to warrant a DS purchase.
Post by: ruby_onix on March 24, 2005, 01:23:03 PM
Skilled artists aren't that hard to find. They're usually begging for a chance to prove their talents.
But no, Igarashi couldn't do that. If he did, it would threaten the idea he's trying to create that says...
Castlevania =
Koji Igarashi - Producer
Ayami Kojima - Art
Michiru Yamane - Music
That's his "magic formula". That's all that's needed. And that's the most Castlevania will ever be, under his watch.
Post by: darknight06 on March 24, 2005, 02:34:06 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on March 24, 2005, 02:34:19 PM
Post by: Polyethylene on March 26, 2005, 03:25:27 PM
He never says the word "children", in fact there's no way this game would get something less than a 'T' rate.
Maybe he's a little more focused on the PS2 game, but that's a given since is console game (bigger budget).
And i don't know if the art is handled by a subpar company, the thing is that the in game art looks great and the gameplay too.
People should just read the interview, is not that bad as ruby makes it sound.
Post by: Rize on March 27, 2005, 08:46:20 AM
I've also seen him at other times say that he loves 2D though. Wtf... he he loves 2D but doesn't think the GBA/DS are a good fit... does that mean there will be a 2D Castlevania on the PSP soon? I wish they'd just make another one for consoles.
Post by: darknight06 on March 27, 2005, 03:39:40 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 27, 2005, 04:48:49 PM
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I've also seen him at other times say that he loves 2D though. Wtf... he he loves 2D but doesn't think the GBA/DS are a good fit...
I think he specifically meant that Castlevania and GBA/DS owners aren't a good fit.
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And from my perspective, the Castlevania demographic and the user base of Game Boy Advance doesn't match. The games may be geared for an older audience. So with that in mind we decided to do this game on Nintendo DS using character art that could appeal to everyone. I'm hoping to catch a younger audience with the DS Castlevania this time around. And of course Ayami Kojima is a terrific artist, but I think her art is best suited for an older audience.
It seems to me that he sees Castlevania as "any game made by Koji Igarashi/Ayami Kojima/Michiru Yamane, dealing with vampires and stuff". Not as "the pinnacle of 2D videogames" or anything like that.
And on his opinion of 2D and the future...
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IGA: I find with 3D games right now that everybody is focusing on graphics and the actual gameplay is not progressing very much. We're going backwards in a way. As a game lover, I have lots of ideas on how to do a unique 3D game. Maybe doing something by experimenting with the hardware and making a game that looks and plays like a retro one, but one that is presented in 3D.
Post by: Mr. Segali on March 27, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: darknight06 on March 28, 2005, 05:37:07 AM
This whole GBA/DS demographic crap is interesting. He seemed to be right glowing about the GBA at one point in time, now they're not a good match? Could it be because neither one of his games did as well as Castlevania COTM (just speculation, need proof)? Reason I say that was because he was talking all this stuff about blowing away CoTM and the 3D N64 games which HoD and LoI didn't exactly do, especially HoD. Castlevania AoS was good, however I'm led to believe that game got a limited distribution cuz I didn't see a lot of copies of that game when it was released and when I sold it back it a good while later it sold back for quite a bit due to being rare.
About the art, c'mon that's lame. He really must want this PS2 Castlevania to succeed for him to just throw a random anime artist onto the DS game, despite the fact the style DOESN'T MATCH! You look at the in-game environments and then look at the Soma picture and it's like wtf? All I know is that the rest of this game better not be getting that kind of treatment or I'll go down there and personally choke him.
Post by: Galford on March 28, 2005, 02:19:29 PM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on March 29, 2005, 05:40:14 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 30, 2005, 12:35:01 PM
Most early Castlevania games seem to have been made by various mixtures of Konami talent. Except for Super Castlevania, which was apparently made by Treasure, before they became Treasure.
The main producer on Dracula X for the PCE-CD and Symphony of the Night retired right after SotN was completed.
Koji Igarashi was brought in late in SotN's development to help "co-produce" the game. His main job was apparently to fight and try to convince Sony to ALLOW the game to even be made. He worked on the Japanese voice acting. He got credited with helping to write some of the "story" in SotN. And he did most of the PR work for the game.
Michiru Yamane didn't originally compose classics like Vampire Killer or Bloody Tears. Nobody seems to know or care who did. She did some okay remixes of them (like everyone else at Konami), along with some all-new tunes in "Castlevania: Bloodlines" on the Sega Genesis (which isn't the "Bloodlines" referred to at the beginning of SotN), . Then she did the wealth of new and diverse music in Symphony of the Night.
Ayami Kojima's first art in a Castlevania game was Symphony of the Night.
Then Koji Igarashi had an old Japan-only PC remake of Castlevania 1 ported to the PSX, and released in America (I'm not sure how he got that one past Sony). He "improved it" by including an art gallery by Ayami Kojima that had nothing to do with the PC remake of Castlevania 1. And he hinted that he wanted to port the PCE-CD version of Dracula X to the PSX. Yay Iga!
Konami decided that Koji Igarashi had real love for Castlevania, so they promoted him to being "in charge" of the entire Castlevania series. Yay Iga!
He "clarified" the Castlevania timeline. He made it make sense. Yay Iga!
And he wiped three games from the "official" Castlevania history, two of which were the most unpopular Castlevania games. Yay Iga?
Then he cancelled the Dreamcast Castlevania, which was being made in America by the producer of the Genesis Castlevania, which many people were worried was going to turn out as badly as the 3D N64 games (except that it would have CD audio). Yay Iga?
(In hindsight, I think it's clear that all four of his Castlevania eliminations were made because they were threats to his authority.)
Some Metroidvanias got made on the GBA. Iga wasn't really paying attention. Yay Iga.
Iga unveils Lament of Innocence on the PS2. It's mocked as a Devil May Cry clone, and yet, it's still as bad as the N64 games, except that it has CD audio. Boo Iga!
By now, Iga seems to have reduced Castlevania to "Symphony of the Night", while he still hasn't proven he can even match that game. His main concern seems to be bringing Castlevania into 3D, but he can't make an above-average 3D game, let alone one that's somehow suitable to be the next Castlevania.
The DS can handle a port of the SotN engine. They might actually put out something that's better than SotN. Yay Iga!
Oh wait, Castlevania DS can't have a dedicated artist, because Iga says Castlevania art must be "Ayami Kojima, or nothing". And she's busy working on Iga's next 3D bomb, so Castlevania DS will just have to do without unique artwork. Just "generic anime". They could've taken it up a notch, and used some real anime in the game, like Dracula X did, but Iga says no, and even if he didn't, he already blew all his money on that next 3D game. Good job Iga!
Post by: ruby_onix on April 02, 2005, 01:01:44 PM
Pages 44 and 45.
Post by: Galford on April 02, 2005, 02:52:34 PM
But really, Castlevania desperately needs to be re-invented again...
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 03, 2005, 11:20:35 PM
Ruby, you've blown that interview way out of proportion.
I have just finished reading it and I am not picking up the same kind of vibe you did.
Here are some direct quotes:
In regards to his attitude towards Castlevania DS:
Armed with a developer-only Nintendo DS (which has a shiny, dark grey casing and dull finish on the inside) Igarashi revealed a demo cartridge running the same trial version of the Castlevania DS game shown at Konami's Gamers' Day last month. He mentioned the warm reactions he received about the game and seemed genuinely excited about its ongoing development.
In regards to the impact of the new art style on the beloved Castlevania gameplay:
1UP: So has this new Japanese anime style of character art influenced the gameplay at all?
IGA: Absolutely not.
In regards to seeing this same art style in future games:
IGA: I think that really depends on consumers' reactions. It's a bit of an experiment actually. I'm sure there will be people who won't like the anime style of the character art, but I remember back when we first started using Ayami Kojima's art there were many fans opposed to it.
In short, I can see where you derived some of your fears from: he is indeed focusing on the PS2 game, he indeed wants to experiment with a different character art style in order to appeal to more folks.
However, focusing more on a big-budget game for a big-time console system makes absolute sense. Doesn't mean the handheld old-skool~ish Castlevania isn't getting a good deal of love and attention.
For the record I'm a big fan of Castlevania since Symphony of the Night, which I absolutely loved. This DS game is my most anticipated, except for perhaps Fire Emblem GC.
I know that there are some Castlevania gamers that yearn for the pure action-platforming of the original titles tho, so heres hoping one day you guys get your wish (I honestly think such gamers are in the minority however, and it would indeed likely require a different director to deliver that sort of pure gothic-action).
Post by: ruby_onix on April 03, 2005, 11:51:28 PM
Then I spun off into a couple of rants.
I do agree that any interested people should read the real interview, and not just my highlights.
About the art style though (the "real" tangible negative coming from Igarashi's leadership here, IMO), that "expanded audience" thing is his secondary excuse. His primary reason was the higher-priority of the PS2 game (he basically says as much in the 1up interview).
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I'm sure there will be people who won't like the anime style of the character art, but I remember back when we first started using Ayami Kojima's art there were many fans opposed to it.
I do agree that people are often resistant to change. But the complaint here isn't about a change in style. It's about the change from "signature style" to "unsigned generic". I think it's Koji Igarashi who's afraid of change, in his "all or nothing" support of the link between Ayami Kojima and Castlevania.
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 04, 2005, 05:34:13 PM
However, I want to point out that that in itself is not neccesarily a negative...if having a different art team take care of the most cosmetic art assets in the game (character portraits and the like) will get me that game much sooner than waiting for Kojima-san to free up the time for it (because again, her first priority would have been to the PS2 game) I'm OK with it personally.
I do have to admit tho....I don't dislike the new art style. Its different, but I like anime and perhaps by extension I'm reasonably comfortable with the new look. Folks who really dislike it upfront are likely quite a bit more taken aback.
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I think it's Koji Igarashi who's afraid of change, in his "all or nothing" support of the link between Ayami Kojima and Castlevania.
I would disagree with that, instead pointing to the fact that he is indeed experimenting a bit with the DS game....not only in art style but in new elements such as touch screen interactivity (which may or may not add to the experience).
I think it is fair to say tho, that judging from what we have seen of the DS game, a very good deal of what makes these recent Castlevanias as good as they are (for folks who like that style) is present thus far in the game....sweet 2D graphics: check. Smooth animation: check. Good music: check. Plentiful enemies and bosses: check. Cool gear and attacks: check.
Lastly, and Im only half joking here...but perhaps its better not to spread Kojima-sans contributions too thin...if you havent seen her main villian design for the new PS2 game, take a gander (make sure no small children are around the computer).
Yiiiii~kes =p
Post by: altf4 on April 11, 2005, 06:16:11 PM
Post by: RABicle on April 17, 2005, 05:52:26 AM
PS2 one is still looking appaling but he might pull something off and I hope he does.
Post by: ruby_onix on May 18, 2005, 02:20:40 AM
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You can use the stylus to draw a face, for use in a "personal profile" section.
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Of more interesting note, Igarashi has apparently take the complaints about the pointlessness of the generic anime art style to heart, and it's mentioned now that there's an animated intro sequence for the game. Yay! Now I'll have to stop calling him a cheap bastard (of course, there probably won't be very much anime in the game, but I'll reserve judgement for now).
Also, the next 3D PS2 Castlevania, "Curse of Darkness", is now being made for the Xbox in addition to the PS2.
Post by: darknight06 on May 18, 2005, 10:39:09 PM
Yep so the person you trade souls with ONLINE will have a face as well as you.
Post by: Blackknight131 on May 20, 2005, 03:28:24 PM
I think its just cause I'm a sucker for the anime look in general...no question tho, a Kojima-rendered portrait simply fits the overall look better...but then, her stuff is too detailed for anime scenes =p
Post by: nemo_83 on May 30, 2005, 12:45:43 AM
Post by: jasonditz on May 30, 2005, 07:07:21 AM
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Originally posted by: RABicle
I'm glad he's focusing on the PS2 version. Seriously Konami proved on GBA that they hardly need to think about Castlevania to churn out quality. It's liek they just have this formula to making the games and insert some characters and a vague storyline, think of a title that somehow involved musical compositions and BAM new game. We can be pretty sure that Castlevania DS will be top qualty even with boring artwork and being more of the same.
PS2 one is still looking appaling but he might pull something off and I hope he does.
Either that or they've got some anonymous underling working at Konami for like $15k a year who really "gets" 2D castlevania.
I'm surprised the artwork controversy hasn't blown up a little more yet. I still haven't seen the equivalent of
"LOL! Castlevania, more like Cellstlevania!!!1!1!"
Post by: Gremio on June 01, 2005, 09:55:03 PM
~IGA: Actually, I have been pushed by the consumer. That doesn't mean I don't love the games I'm working on. I also have to think about not only the hardcore fans, but the female Castlevania players. They are a small portion of the fan base, but that's part of the reason why I wanted to integrate an experience point system into Curse of Darkness -- to allow female gamers to enjoy powering up their characters.~
Well, regarding this... it isn't something so simple as "powering up" my characters that attracts me to RPGs or games like SotN. It was the beautiful art style, the music, the sense of exploration, the enjoyable gameplay (and in the case of many RPGs, the wide variety of interesting characters both male and female).
SoTN still stands to this day as my favorite Castlevania game. Heck, it is one of my favorite games, period. I played LoI on PS2 and I didn't like it - it felt very generic and unenjoyable: not because of the lack of a level-up system but because of the generic 3D hack and slash gameplay, poor camera angles, unmemorable music, repetitive environment, lack of varied environments and lack of a feeling of genuine exploration.
Well, I can only speak for myself...
Post by: jasonditz on June 02, 2005, 07:06:27 AM
