Post by: mT3 on March 10, 2005, 09:02:27 PM
Post by: Kirby (cheat wizard) on March 10, 2005, 09:14:13 PM
Post by: Mario on March 10, 2005, 09:17:25 PM
Post by: mT3 on March 10, 2005, 09:22:34 PM
Post by: Mario on March 10, 2005, 09:29:57 PM
DS is still ahead of PSP by lots, and it's going to take PSP a year to catch up to DS in Japan alone if both systems keep selling at the same rate they are now for the rest of the year, and I can 100% gaurantee you they won't. Watch what happens once the first screens and info of Pokemon Pearl / Diamond is shown, when Jump Superstars releases, when Mario Kart DS releases, when Super Mario Bros DS releases, when the first free online game is out. I really can't think of any aces PSP has up it's sleeves...
Post by: Infernal Monkey on March 10, 2005, 09:47:38 PM
Post by: mT3 on March 10, 2005, 09:48:20 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 10, 2005, 10:29:13 PM
Post by: Artimus on March 11, 2005, 02:39:57 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on March 11, 2005, 04:41:25 AM
Post by: Artimus on March 11, 2005, 05:39:18 AM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 11, 2005, 06:09:16 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 11, 2005, 06:21:28 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 11, 2005, 06:33:52 AM
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 11, 2005, 06:35:57 AM
As for sales the DS continues to kill the PSP in software sales, while still enjoying over a million+ lead in hardware sales in Japan alone.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 11, 2005, 06:55:22 AM
Post by: mT3 on March 11, 2005, 10:44:48 AM
http://ds.ign.com/articles/594/594933p1.html
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 11, 2005, 10:56:08 AM
Post by: Slew on March 11, 2005, 12:01:03 PM
Post by: vudu on March 11, 2005, 12:54:42 PM
Post by: Slew on March 11, 2005, 04:26:30 PM
So according to those numbers, both consoles have been losing sales in recent weeks, but PSP is coming out 10-20 thousand more. Overall though (since launch), DS has got almost exactly twice as many sales.
And like Mario said, the PSP doesn't have much more to offer, but DS still has a whole lot of exciting new features and games.
Nintendo isn't going to give up the handheld market that easily.
Post by: Babyboy8100 on March 13, 2005, 09:46:43 PM
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 13, 2005, 11:13:35 PM
. It's so freaking obvious.Nintendo's online scheme:
Animal Crossing----check
Pokemon--------check
SSB---------------check
Mario Kart-------check
Advance Wars----check
Metriod Hunters----check
F-Zero (30 player races...*drools*)------check
Other Mario Spin-off games----------check
Starfox (reminicent of N64)--------check
WaveRace--------------check
Diddy Kong Racing (Ya you heard me...best...racer...ever)-----check
That's just Nintendo alone
If even a third of those were made, I think the DS could sell like hot cakes. Not to mention, third party support would highten after develope kits are handed out. Imagine an RTS, FF: CC or or...Fire Emblem *drools*.
Post by: TMW on March 16, 2005, 07:52:49 AM
...just a thought.
Post by: jakeOSX on March 29, 2005, 10:53:00 AM
world of warcraft ds. gimmie. let me play WoW anywhere. and heaven help me, i will.
Post by: Caterkiller on March 30, 2005, 06:41:52 AM
Post by: UncleBob on March 30, 2005, 05:26:24 PM
*That* is where Nintendo has dropped the ball.
Post by: darknight06 on March 30, 2005, 05:27:38 PM
Post by: UncleBob on March 30, 2005, 06:06:27 PM
The fact is, right now, the DS does not have a whole lot of selection. Granted, it's early on and this will *hopefully* change as time goes on, but for now, it's bleh.
I've got a whole three DS games, SM64DS, Mr. Driller DS and Wario Ware Touched!. They're fun, but still nothing worth my $150 to buy the system...
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 30, 2005, 07:16:08 PM
Post by: UncleBob on April 01, 2005, 06:29:19 PM
Hell, we'd (mostly) all agree that the GCN had a lack-luster launch and by this time with the GCN, I had Smash Bros., Pikmin and Super Monkey Ball - still three of my favorite games for the GCN (Not to mention Luigi's Mansion, which was a *fun* game, although short).
Seriously, come on... Nintendo had a five month head start and *blew* it - they completly and totally wasted it! I haven't counted, but judging by what I've seen in stores, there's tons more PSP games on shelves than there are DS games and that's just sad. I mean, I use my DS more for a GBA than anything right now (and I already have two of those... and I can play Four Swords with them...)
Two things to clear up though... I do like my DS very much. I just feel that Nintendo isn't doing a whole lot for the general public to see that the DS is worth buying.
Second, personally, I don't care of the PSP has 100 games to every one DS game, as long as the DS has the quality games - which (for the most part) - I feel that the DS has the advantage on that right now. But again, does the general public know that?
Post by: Zach on April 01, 2005, 06:57:47 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on April 01, 2005, 09:42:09 PM
Heck today i had a customer tell me "i want to return this music cd i bought here a couple of days ago, because my friend just bought me this cd", i asked the lady "only 1 problem you opened your copy already i can't do anything about it, you should taker her unopened cd and return that one", she tells me "why can't you take this one back", i tell her "well its opened, people can easily burn cds nowadays" she gets really mad and asks for a manager. Manager explains the exact same thing to her. Customer then justs gets increasingly more pissed off, and still complains that there isnt a good reason why she can't get her money back.
That is like paying a stripper to strip only to ask for a refund, what do you expect her to say after you have seen her goods? LOL
Post by: IceCold on April 01, 2005, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: thepoga on April 01, 2005, 10:36:51 PM
Really? Because the PSP has several top notch games right now, and they aren't even ports. I see the DS having the quality games later on. But not right now. Right now the games all feel incomplete/not innovative/too short. It's weird that people were shooting down the PSP as being a system that's basically for portable PS2 games, but it has no ports and the DS already has 2.
Post by: Renny on April 02, 2005, 07:00:43 AM
The lineups are comparable so far. Each system has their cash-ins, and each system has their new stuff. Keep in mind I'm including other regions' games. The Western DS lineup is unacceptably limited. They need to localize games now, not for Q4.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 03, 2005, 06:49:10 AM
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 03, 2005, 10:19:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Renny
...On the PSP we have franchise games; continuations of series. Sports sequels like whatever EA churned out, 'compilations' like Ridge Racers. And a couple novel games.
The lineups are comparable so far. Each system has their cash-ins, and each system has their new stuff. Keep in mind I'm including other regions' games. The Western DS lineup is unacceptably limited. They need to localize games now, not for Q4.
Yea...I give the PSP launch lineup due credit. They have some really sweet original games...Lumines, Metal Gear Acid...and some awesome franchise extensions like WipeOut Pure. And of course it has a crapload of EA sports games/ports with pretty graphics, and games for the Cool People like Tony Hawk.
In the US, where many members of this board are from, it generally smokes the current DS library (much less the DS launch lineup).
As Renny pointed out tho...the lineup is far more fleshed out in Japan, where the likes of Another Code, Kirby, METEOS and Daigasso Band Brothers represent a bright glimpse of what the unit can deliver.
The question is: why is Nintendo's localization as slow as it is? Are they simply understaffed? Is it...strategic? Because personally, I feel its a bit cold to have the first territory they chose to release in subsequently the most ignored territory in terms of game releases.
We don't even have Polarium yet.
Time will address these issues: E3 will likely be Tremendous, and Fall will at long last bring the Big, Full-length Titles...but its feeling awfully chilly from Nintendo's direction right now.
Post by: seen33 on April 04, 2005, 12:13:00 PM
PSP seems to be catering mroe to what people want.. and not what the company wants.
Oh well.. in the end I choose not the PSP or DS but nothing. they only time im away from home and available to play games is in between classes at school.. and I got a laptop for that. playing video games in a car/bus makes me car sick so I cant do anything there. I think ill stick to my home consoles.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 04, 2005, 01:08:34 PM
I've owned my PSP for two weeks and I've already bought 3 games (WipeOut Pure (amazing), Lumines (great), Untold Legends (good)). Meanwhile, I've had my DS since last November and literally have not bought ONE game for it. It sits on the shelf. And I'm a friggin' Nintendo fan! I write for a Nintendo website for crying out loud! I should be the easiest person on earth for Nintendo to suck money out of. But as God is my witness, there is not one DS game worth my money coming out until the end of June (Meteos). That's pathetic.
At this rate I might as well not even own a DS. I really should have taken the $150 I spent on it and put that towards a 1GB Memory Stick for my PSP (which only costs $120 by the way - a bargain when you consider the 1GB iPod Shuffle costs $149 and does practically the same thing).
Another reason I like the PSP so much (and I'll admit this is purely subjective) is that I actually know people that own one. Two friends of mine at work already have them, and we're going to play Untold Legends with three players during our lunch break. I haven't done that since college, and I can't wait.
I really hate to be so negative towards the DS but Nintendo has really disappointed me so far. I shouldn't have to wait a year for the really good games to start coming out.
silks
Post by: darknight06 on April 04, 2005, 01:29:57 PM
Issue no. 1 is the delays of certain games as of late. Need for Speed Underground 2 was delayed twice, and Nanostray looks like it just took a delay itself. Now this I wouldn't mind too much and wouldn't even be that big of a problem since those two games look to really be coming out good and making the DS stand proud, however....
My second issue is that I already know some or even most third parties are just going to have some half baked developer port their console games over to it. (see Ubisoft and DC Studios) As long as Rayman DS was delayed, it DID NOT need to come out the way it had, dark, shoddy controls, and with a nasty fluctuating framerate, especially during a time like PSP launch. Same goes for Retro Atari Classics and it's botching up of 20+ year old games. Both of which I was looking forward to and both of which I was going to buy and keep until I saw how bad they came out. Those two games could've eased the delays a bit for me, but after seeing the results of them I was left a bit uneasy, returning Rayman to the shelf and just ignoring RAC. What's worse is that most of these third parties, especially EA and Activision, have a team dedicated entirely to the PSP and I can already take a wild guess that they're probably not anywhere close to as dedicated to their DS games, with the exception of NFSU2DS. That game simply looks gorgeous on there and has some great features to boot.
On one hand it was smart to release early so those userbase figures could fly, but on the otherhand with the bad games and delays it's becoming clear that from a development point of view, this system probably could've waited til March or even later to release. At least that way we could've gotten optimized and thought out gaming experiences. Right now, it seems like everybody's trying to rush games out the gate just to get them on the shelves. Even Nintendo is doing it with Pokemon Dash and to me that's not a good sign.
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 04, 2005, 01:33:14 PM
I'm on the fence... I think both lineups suck at the moment, except for Lumines, Mario 64 and Yoshi. I'm just waiting for Meteos (which should obliterate Lumines) or Mario Kart to wow me into purchasing a DS. I will say this for Sony though... they've managed to hype up a mediocre batch of games into the talk of the town.
Post by: darknight06 on April 04, 2005, 01:49:29 PM
I dunno about that, apparently Meteos has a major exploit that makes the game braindead easy by simply rubbing the bottom of the screen randomly to line everything up. Haven't seen what they're calling "THE FLAW" for myself, but it's something to think about.
About the rest of your statement, yeah I can agree with that except I'd add WWTouched to that as well.
Post by: ruby_onix on April 04, 2005, 03:14:23 PM
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The PSP's launch lineup is solid, and KILLS the DS' lineup even after the DS' four-month head start.
The PSP was announced in May 2003 at E3 2003. The Nintendo DS was announced in January 2004.
The PSP has had eight months of a head start (in terms of game development time), during which time everyone in the industry was said it was going to utterly obliterate the GBA.
(The PSP was originally supposed to launch worldwide in 2004, as fast as Nintendo in America, and faster than them in Europe, but Sony obviously couldn't, so it didn't.)
(And at E3 2004 Nintendo revealed playable DS hardware while Sony revealed hunks of "sexy" molded plastic, with screens running feeds from PS2 games.)
Yes, there aren't a lot of games for the DS right now. What do people expect? It practically just launched. And Japanese games always come out in Japan first, and take a few months/weeks to come to America, even if Nintendo didn't need to do that with the hardware.
What do people want? Should Nintendo have "pulled an N64" and delayed the hardware, while they waited for no third parties to arrive?
Post by: thepoga on April 04, 2005, 03:27:03 PM
Paladin: Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, Twisted Metal, and Tony Hawk's UG2 aren't mediocre games. They all had a solid 8 or above. They aren't the best games ever, but unlike the DS games (right now) they don't have any real major flaws.
WarioWare has a lot of minigames that are nearly the same, and it also can be considered too short.
Mario is a port. Analog control issues.
Yoshi's lastability is questionable to a lot of people.
Feel the Magic is too short.
And those are the best games of both. The worst thing to me is that the game that most people are looking for is Mario Kart DS when it doesn't seem to have any touch-screen control. You don't have to use all the features, but can't the same thing be said about the multimedia features on the PSP?
Post by: PaLaDiN on April 04, 2005, 03:35:40 PM
They are to me, because I played and got bored of them all years ago on the PS1.
I guess you could say the same thing about Mario, but I never actually played enough of that game to get bored of it.
Post by: darknight06 on April 04, 2005, 03:36:33 PM
I swear I must be the only one who likes these controls. And for the last time Mario is NOT a port. Ridge Racer DS and especially Rayman DS were ports.
Post by: thepoga on April 04, 2005, 05:36:31 PM
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Originally posted by: darknight06
"Mario is a port. Analog control issues."
I swear I must be the only one who likes these controls. And for the last time Mario is NOT a port. Ridge Racer DS and especially Rayman DS were ports.
you're right about one thing. okay fine, Mario 64 is an Updated Port. It's a good example of what to do with games you're going to port, because it's enhanced and a little bit different. And the mini-games were the things that made it worth it. But why couldn't they have just made a new mario game? Besides the issue of development time.
Wipeout Pure is a lot better than the one on PS1, Ridge Racers is infinitely better than the one on DS, and all the Twisted Metal games except TW2 weren't that great until Black and this one.
Post by: Blackknight131 on April 04, 2005, 05:57:36 PM
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At this rate I might as well not even own a DS. I really should have taken the $150 I spent on it and put that towards a 1GB Memory Stick for my PSP (which only costs $120 by the way - a bargain when you consider the 1GB iPod Shuffle costs $149 and does practically the same thing).
The 1 GB shuffle is $150...yes, about the same price as the Memory Stick 1 GB. But to compare those two purchases is not quite fair. Form + Function is what should be considered there. The PSP for many folks, due to its form, is an inferior mp3 player...and borderline not-an-option in many circumstances (its not quite pocketable enough for most people's pockets - would make an impressive bulge to be sure.)
An mp3 player like the shuffle yet has its place for consumers - as an unobtrusive music player with a simple-to-use interface. Of course, it fails as a game device tho =p
(On a tangent, I have to say Im "ethically" against these Memory Sticks tho... =p
More than double the cost of competing flash products...for thoroughly comparable performance...to me thats serious consumer-rape.)
As for "WTF IS HAPPENING TO THE DS!!??!":
For many folks, the DS is simply not a good option right now...obviously because of release issues for its tiny game library. Frustratingly enough for American owners, in Japan it looks like a non-issue. They already have Band Brothers. They already have Meteos. They already have Pac-Pix and Another Code and Kirby...in other words, the original-style games that actually show off what the DS is about.
By that token however, the fact is there ARE sweet games out there...the DS IS capable of delivering great new games...but we seem to be at the mercy of localization/scheduling issues. Don't regret the DS itself just yet...but do regret being yet another victim of early adopter's syndrome (buying the hardware before enough of the software you really want is released).
Its hard to wait, and getting harder...so for fence-sitters there is no doubt the best option is to hold off on a DS purchase till Summer or Fall. Once development cycles hit their stride, the DS will come into its own for gamers that like certain genres (puzzle, action, adventure, RPG, strategy, possibly FPS). The PSP will definitely be the go-to portable for Sports and racing tho, where high powered 3D graphics are one of the major factors. And probaly for violent "adult" games, of which there is certainly a ravenous appetite for...
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 05, 2005, 07:10:25 AM
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Yes, there aren't a lot of games for the DS right now. What do people expect?
I expect good games, is that too much to ask? I don't care about all the fiscal year shareholder's annual meeting bullcrap. Joe Gamer - who doesn't care about dev kits and product announcements and development lead times - looks at the PSP and sees 24 titles with three or four worthwhile purchases, meanwhile they look at the DS and they see 15 titles, 12 of them are crap and 3 of them are just OK. You tell me which one they'll prefer.
silks
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 05, 2005, 07:51:19 AM
Everyone saying DS will fail apparently forgot about that.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 05, 2005, 07:52:05 AM
Ratio of Crap to "worthwhile" on PSP --> 23:1 (because rehashes are NOT worthwhile to me, nor should they to anyone that already owns a PS2...Lumines ONLY)
Ratio of Crap to "worthwhile" on DS (as of end of March) --> 12: 3 (JUST ok? Sorry, but that's a matter of opinion...Yoshi Touch & Go is easily my favorite handheld game of all next-gen portables)
23:1 vs 12:3...You can do simple math, right?
Post by: Spak-Spang on April 05, 2005, 08:52:49 AM
As for DS. I would say there are 3 games you should own on the system, and 2-3 games that are just OK right now.
Those games you have to own are:
Super Mario 64 DS
Yoshi's Touch N Go (Brilliant Old School gaming. I love it.)
WarioWare (I am not a fan, but I understand the addictive nature of it.)
The other games depends on your taste of games, and what you want.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 05, 2005, 09:16:09 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on April 05, 2005, 09:39:11 AM
Yet Super Mario 64 DS is the very definition of a rehash. One could argue Warioware Touched is as well or at least it's as much of a rehash as Wipeout Pure. Maybe those aren't part of your 3 but I doubt you can tell me another DS game that would fit the top three aside from those and Yoshi. So basically it's Yoshi vs Lumines.
It doesn't matter anyway because to prefer the DS you have to have really specific tastes. With the PSP there's more flexibility. 24 > 15. With more games to choose from there's more variety and more options. Statistically there's a better chance of finding something to like on the PSP. With the DS I have to like quirky gimmick games to recieve any enjoyment out of it. With the PSP I just have to like games period to find something decent.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 05, 2005, 11:41:03 AM
And no, no sane person can argue that Wario Ware Touched is a rehash...Implementation = COMPLETELY different...
Post by: couchmonkey on April 05, 2005, 12:38:08 PM
Objectively, I think both lineups are about equal right now - given that Nintendo had 4 months, it should have a better selection. Subjectively, I think the DS kicks PSP's butt. I bought one last week and I can't put it down.
I also played a PSP for a couple of hours last weekend. I am very happy with my choice. Granted, I was playing Ape Escape which is probably not the PSP's greatest title, but I doubt even the PSP's best would impress me as much as the pure simplicity, originality and fun of the DS lineup.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 05, 2005, 12:53:14 PM
When I think of the phrase "rehash" I think of words like "redundant" and "stale". WipeOut Pure is none of these, just like F-Zero GX wasn't either. I could accept somebody calling Tony Hawk a rehash, but if that's the PSP's definition of a rehash I'll take it. Tony Hawk games are typically excellent, and ideal for on-the-go gaming.
Yoshi's Touch & Go is a neat distraction, but I'm not paying $30 for it when games like WipeOut Pure and Lumines are available for only $5-10 more. Those two games alone will keep you occupied for a lot longer than YT&G ever will. You can't argue that for $40 ($35 at some places), you get a LOT of bang for your buck with PSP games. Meanwhile, DS games that are borderline GBA-quality are in the same price range. It doesn't make sense. When you put PSP sports games up against DS sports games, it gets even more ridiculous. Madden NFL DS is currently $40, and when it comes out for the PSP it'll likely be the same price. Nobody in their right mind would buy the DS version, given the choice.
silks
Post by: ruby_onix on April 05, 2005, 02:19:29 PM
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I expect good games, is that too much to ask?
This early into the system's life, I think you're expecting a miracle by saying you want more games.
Fine, I'll give you one. Play your GBA games on the DS.
Post by: Nimoy on April 05, 2005, 05:20:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Silks
WarioWare Touched is the same game with a different input method. It's like playing WarioWare with a mouse instead of a joystick. It's not different enough from what's been out there before to make me want to buy it.
I could accept somebody calling Tony Hawk a rehash, but if that's the PSP's definition of a rehash I'll take it. Tony Hawk games are typically excellent, and ideal for on-the-go gaming.
silks
Right, so the 12 millionth itteration of the Tony Hawk franchise is great for handheld gaming and is "different enough from what's been out there" to make it a worthy purchase, whereas Warioware still in its infancy as a franchise just doesn't offer enough that is new. Reading you loud and clear.
And here's my take - Tony Hawk games are generally dull and bore the life out of me and if, even if, I really liked the franchise, I certainly wouldn't buy it in its handheld form. As for the ideal type of handheld game, well I'd argue that both Yoshi Touch and Go and Warioware Touched are very close to perfect in this regard. Both are addictive, easy to pick up, offer a unique experience that isn't able to be duplicated on a console and both provide intuitive control through a very intuitive control input. Anyone can pick up either of the games in question and play them without learning the intricacies of a console controller and this lends the latest Yoshi (which I happen to think is the best game available for either next gen handheld atm) and Warioware games significant appeal.
On the issue of the dearth of DS games currently available, well have a look what's out in Japan and hold your breath, there are a heap of quality releases coming in the not so distant future, games like Meteos, Pac-Pix, Kirby, and Polarium, none of which would work on another gaming system. If your looking for games that closely resemble console titles the DS is obviously not where you want to be, surely this was obvious from the start, buy a PSP, play a PSP and stop the damn incessant whinging.
Post by: UncleBob on April 05, 2005, 05:35:53 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 06, 2005, 04:31:16 AM
A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.
If I wanted to use my DS to play GBA games, I'd still have my GBA. Unfortunately, playing GBA games on my DS is my only choice right now.
silks
Post by: Nimoy on April 06, 2005, 05:42:56 AM
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Originally posted by: Silks
A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.
Any modern console style game is really, this is the very reason some people find the DS a more attractive proposition. I've played some of the better PSP titles such as Wipeout Pure and Ridge Racer and found myself wanting to play the games on a larger screen. DS and GBA games I believe work better as portable experiences, both offer an experience not realised with console gaming - two dimensional and touch input gaming and believe it or not there are those of us who prefer what the DS and GBA bring to the table.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 06, 2005, 11:51:45 AM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 06, 2005, 02:46:59 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I've been playing straight through the bus ride to work without even noticing how much time has gone by with these games. I can't stop!
Funny, I could say the same thing about WipeOut Pure and Lumines. We're both right in our own ways. I don't think I would be so grumpy about the DS right now if it would have launched with something I liked. I'll be a lot happier once Meteos releases in June. Until then, PSP is my savior.
silks
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on April 07, 2005, 01:49:01 AM
Post by: Mario on April 07, 2005, 02:29:50 AM
Playing GBA games on original GBA is just.. terrible, you can't even see the screen unless you're sitting right under the sun, the GBA SP is better, but the colours appear washed out on the lit screen, the DS screen is perfect, but it's too big and uncomfortable to play. All I want to do is enjoy my GBA games fully, damn it Nintendo! Ah well, maybe the next Gameboy
Oh, also, the combination of Super Mario 64 DS, Wario Ware Touched and Metroid Hunters First Hunt made the Nintendo DS launch awesome for me. It's not a fact that it was sub-par.
Post by: UncleBob on April 07, 2005, 05:28:40 AM
Post by: vudu on April 07, 2005, 09:13:30 AM
QuoteThe only GBA game I've tried on the DS was Astro Boy and I didn't like it one bit. The extra buttons just confused me. Maybe I'm just not that swift.
Originally posted by: TheYoungerPlumber
Am I the only one who appreciates GBA games on my DS just because the screens are so much better?
I like the larger buttons on the GBA-SP which is why I use it for playing GBA games. However, I can see how the DS might be very nice for games such as Fire Emblem and FFTA, which don't require rapid button pushing.
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 07, 2005, 12:04:01 PM
The only issue I have is with the position of the buttons (I think Y should have been used as the B button in GBA games....), but all it takes is some practice. Some games I still can't get used to- Metroid Fusion, for example -but almost every other game I'm fine with. I began playing Minish Cap on my DS and now it seems weird on my SP
Post by: couchmonkey on April 07, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 07, 2005, 02:30:35 PM
Post by: Arbok on April 07, 2005, 02:45:44 PM
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Originally posted by: Silks
A console-style Tony Hawk game is new for a handheld. Compare Tony Hawk PSP to the last Tony Hawk game on GBA and you'll see what I mean.
http://mobile.sunrise.ch/eshop/ngage_skater_l.jpg
Speaks for itself.
The system might have been crap, but a Tony Hawk game closer to its console counterparts is nothing new on handhelds.
Post by: thepoga on April 07, 2005, 04:49:35 PM
Post by: altf4 on April 11, 2005, 05:42:48 PM
Also, PSP is brand spanking new, so basically what mario said.
Post by: thepoga on April 12, 2005, 04:55:54 PM
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Originally posted by: altf4
To each his own man, Maybe some people prefer gaming systems that can be broken by pusing the edge of a quarter on the shell.
Also, PSP is brand spanking new, so basically what mario said.
And maybe some people prefer to be able to SPELL! OH!!!! Just kidding man. What did u mean by the last thing you said? It has nothing to do with what Mario said, unless I'm reading it wrong. Are you talking about the launch line-up? And if so, what does that have to with the PSP being brand new? yeah...
And I prefer systems with only three good games after 5 months. Makes them a lot better. Urg, I wish I lived in Japan.
Post by: IceCold on April 12, 2005, 05:53:27 PM
Post by: thepoga on April 12, 2005, 08:46:08 PM
Yeah, I should be studying for my IQ test. I just gotta pass it.
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 13, 2005, 04:15:41 AM
Post by: cronotrigger913 on April 13, 2005, 06:43:41 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 13, 2005, 06:51:02 AM
Post by: cronotrigger913 on April 13, 2005, 06:57:41 AM
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Tapping options on the screen is much better than selecting them with a dpad.
But do we need to spend $150 for a better way to go through an options menu?
Don't get me wrong, I love the DS and its ideas on gaming, but sometimes I just want to play a game like my consoles. Metroid Prime Hunters seems to fit this bill perfect because it plays like a full game with a story and a sense of progression, but this is only one game, and it isn't even out yet. To me, minigames do not make a good console for long.
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 13, 2005, 07:31:58 AM
Edit: I also want to add that I'm glad they're trying out something new with Metroid and making it more FPS and less adventure based on the DS since it's something of an experimental system.
Post by: darknight06 on April 13, 2005, 07:50:32 AM
No kidding, and for this reason alone I haven't seriously played a console FPS since I learned the art of mouse-keyboard with Quake 2 on PC. Right now, the only true console alternatives to that is either trackball or the touchscreen, one of which I don't recall being in existence right now. Oh, and does anybody remember Diablo on the PS1? LOL.
"Metroid Prime Hunters seems to fit this bill perfect because it plays like a full game with a story and a sense of progression, but this is only one game, and it isn't even out yet. To me, minigames do not make a good console for long."
Not to try to make excuses for anyone, but full games take time to make, especially 3D ones which everyone seems to be clamoring for on their handheld these days, and it doesn't help that the DS was rushed to market either with most developers getting their devkits just before launch. That's why you see all these "minigames" out right now. However, with all the game announcements as of late, that won't be an issue for too much longer. Oh, and a new SSX is coming to the DS.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 13, 2005, 12:37:03 PM
- I bought Zelda: Minish Cap over the weekend. What a great game, and I love playing it on the DS. To whoever said the DS screen rules for GBA games, you're absolutely right.
- I played Meteos last week and it's cool, kinda weird to play with the stylus though. You have to drag blocks up and down vertically, which I'll admit could not be done easily with a D-Pad/Analog stick. I can't wait to spend more time with it. At least it's an example of a game that couldn't be done on any other console, which is a good thing.
- When we're talking about people playing games on handhelds, does the N-Gage even count?
- Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point. The fact that I can play a high-quality 3-D version of Tony Hawk without being tethered to the PS2 in my living room is what makes the PSP cool. I was also a big fan of the LCD screen for PSOne, so I think that planted the seed (I thought that playing Final Fantasy Origins on a great-looking screen not much bigger than a GBA was one of the coolest things ever).
- After playing Minish Cap, I can't wait to see a Zelda game on the DS. I really don't want it to be 3-D though...that would kinda disappoint me. The N64-quality 3-D on the DS isn't one of it's strongest points, in my opinion. It makes it look underpowered, like it's trying to do what the PSP does but can't. Still, I can't lie, if a DS Zelda along the lines of Ocarina of Time was released I wouldn't be complaining (well, I would, but not about that).
- Nintendo really needs to release a killer online-capable RTS game that uses the touch-screen to its fullest extent. Hopefully Advance Wars DS is that game. Starcraft would be awesome too.
silks
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 14, 2005, 09:08:18 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 14, 2005, 09:07:53 PM
Post by: Miyamoto Osaki on April 14, 2005, 09:29:18 PM
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- Nintendo really needs to release a killer online-capable RTS game that uses the touch-screen to its fullest extent. Hopefully Advance Wars DS is that game. Starcraft would be awesome too.
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Advanced wars is turn based, not Real Time.
yes, advance wars is tun based but with starcraft, its real time, so i agree to both.
Ill like to see Oot, MM and maybe WW on the DS. I think the touch screen is better than the analog stick
A- no more blisters
B- you have more control wth the touch screen.
and I hope the games that come out for the DS are 'RPG' (long live Role Playing Games)
Post by: ThePerm on April 14, 2005, 10:17:27 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on April 14, 2005, 10:44:06 PM
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- When we're talking about people playing games on handhelds, does the N-Gage even count?
It depends on the situation. If someone can work it into a conversation as a valid point, then... it's a valid point. Unfortunately, odds are good that almost nobody will understand that point.
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- Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point.
Yeah, it's the PSP's biggest strength, and the PSP's biggest weakness.
One thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games.
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- After playing Minish Cap, I can't wait to see a Zelda game on the DS. I really don't want it to be 3-D though...that would kinda disappoint me. The N64-quality 3-D on the DS isn't one of it's strongest points, in my opinion. It makes it look underpowered, like it's trying to do what the PSP does but can't. Still, I can't lie, if a DS Zelda along the lines of Ocarina of Time was released I wouldn't be complaining (well, I would, but not about that).
Last I heard, the rumors were saying that Nintendo had two Zelda games in the works for the DS. One being an all-new 2D Four Swords-style game, showing off the kind of new styles of gameplay that Nintendo was hoping to stir with the DS, and the other being an all-new 3D Zelda game, made with a port of the Zelda 64 game engine, sort of like Majora's Mask.
Post by: Deguello on April 15, 2005, 12:26:53 AM
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At least it's an example of a game that couldn't be done on any other console, which is a good thing.
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Some of you may slag the PSP because "its games are no different from what's on a console", but last time I checked, that's the point.
Kinda contradictory here. It seems like the DS has to feature games that can not exist on any other platform, whereas the PSP can get away with having similar games to consoles because "That's the point." Your example of Tony Hawk is not a very good one either. Tony Hawk Underground 2 Remix isn't just a game that is "no different from what's on a console." It is exactly the SAME as what is on a console, except, y'know it has got "Remix" in the title. And trust me when I say most people would just get the better looking, better-controlling Ps2/Xbox/GCN version, espeically if they are gonna be priced exactly the same as the PSP version. And having similar games to a console also won't make a handheld appealing. What really set the Gameboy on fire was Pokemon, and the very idea of Pokemon (that being a uber-customizable battling RPG, plus a heavy emphasis on trading) was not possible on any console at that time. The same could not be said for Wario Land and the like, but at least they were only $30 compared to consoles wanting $50.
The PSP's name is sorta misleading, isn't it Ruby? I mean with the DS, the GameBoy, and the GameCube, which each name you get a sense that each is different. With the Playstation Portable, the logical assumption for those not in the know would be that it is a Portable Playstation, and would then conclude that it can play Playstation games.
Post by: IceCold on April 15, 2005, 07:42:25 PM
QuoteHandheld would be too big, would be a lot less profitable (no software sales), blah blah blah
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[QOne thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games
Post by: xproductionz on April 19, 2005, 07:54:30 PM
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Originally posted by: IceColdQuoteHandheld would be too big, would be a lot less profitable (no software sales), blah blah blah
Originally posted by: ruby_onix
[QOne thing that really bugs me about the PSP though is that it isn't a PS2. You have to buy your games twice. That's not cool, IMO. They should've made the PSP play actual PS2 games
i have always pondered this and i think this was a smart move on nintendo.. well you know how they say when you play chess is to think ahead your moves.. well nintendo seems to think that.. or so i think anyways.. and it already has begun.. look at the DS... its basically something to tide you over till the NEW GB comes out.. but wait.. they already thought of that by developing the GC... how you say.. well take this into consideration... the next GB already has games out for it... its basically the GC games... the new GB will basically use the same operating system the GC uses.... developers already have devkits for it and the discs are already small enough for it.... so lets say the new GB xomes out.. you not only can take ur GC games with you but new games as well... and when you get home you dont need some kind of GB player to play fames on the big TV... just take the disc out of your GB and plug it into you GC..
now another twist to this is that if the revolution is backwards compatible and use the same discs then you have a triforce (triangle) of 3 key products on the market that can be taken advantage of...
1.the GC which can play the NEW GB games(if they use the same operating system)
2.the NEW GB which can play GC games (and posibbly the Revolution games)
3.the Revolution that is backwards compatible with GC games and can play the NEW GB games
....just some food for thought.. just speaking my mind
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 20, 2005, 06:32:26 AM
In terms of experience, the GBA SP isn't doing anthing different from what, say, the SNES was doing, and people love it. Meanwhile, the PSP gives you the same type of "console in a handheld" experience that GBA SP does (only updated), and people hate on it for that reason. That doesn't make sense to me.
BTW, if Nintendo creates a handheld GameCube I would crap my pants.
silks
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 20, 2005, 06:36:17 AM
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In terms of experience, the GBA SP isn't doing anthing different from what, say, the SNES was doing, and people love it. Meanwhile, the PSP gives you the same type of "console in a handheld" experience that GBA SP does (only updated), and people hate on it for that reason. That doesn't make sense to me.
There wasn't a better option until now. Also, the GBA played games and styles of games that had come from the previous two generations. It kept those games alive. The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 20, 2005, 07:58:58 AM
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The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.
Exactly why the PSP will be more attractive to me after the next gen systems have come out and it will be forced to either make something I won't play on my home console or a really watered down crappy version of it for the same price...even moreso than it does now.
Post by: clevelandst124 on April 21, 2005, 04:54:22 AM
If a new gb comes out this year(doubtful),
1. It'll probably be less than a ds. Most reports I've seen state it will come out at $99. This isn't going to be the all in one that people were hoping for to combat the psp.
2. There is a .000001% chance it will be backwards compatable with the gamecube. Think about the psp battery woes. A portable gamecube is over 50% more powerful than a psp. Also think about button placement. 3 shoulder buttons and 2 analog nubs. This thing would not be small.
Post by: Darkheart on April 21, 2005, 06:34:06 AM
~DarkHeart~
Post by: darknight06 on April 21, 2005, 07:01:30 AM
Think about it for a second, if the units $99 there's no way it's going to have GC or even DC level graphics. Chances are if a new GBA is coming this year, that's all it will be is a new GBA. GBA with a backlight and maybe wireless.
Post by: nickmitch on April 22, 2005, 03:50:24 PM
I don't see a new Gameboy system until after the revolution is here. Unless the PSP. . .well. . .you know.
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 25, 2005, 08:17:37 AM
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Also, the GBA played games and styles of games that had come from the previous two generations. It kept those games alive. The PSP is playing what we're playing right now only alot worse.
So when Nintendo rehashes a Mario game from a previous generation it's a noble gesture that "keeps those games alive", but when Sony releases something like WipeOut Pure they're ripping us off? Come on. The games coming out for the PSP are good games in their own right.
Post by: couchmonkey on April 25, 2005, 09:15:36 AM
I think there is a bit of an unfair bias towards the DS in that it's expected to to do something with its features in every single game. I bet if a top-notch title that didn't use the features were to come out it would still be well received, but the media seems to ding a lot of DS games just for not using the features. I have a feeling this will start to sort itself out as the year goes on, though.
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 25, 2005, 09:33:26 AM
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So when Nintendo rehashes a Mario game from a previous generation it's a noble gesture that "keeps those games alive", but when Sony releases something like WipeOut Pure they're ripping us off? Come on. The games coming out for the PSP are good games in their own right.
I said games and STYLES of games. The mainstream wants everything 3D, but we need something to keep 2D gaming alive. Take Mario & Luigi for instance; it's a beautiful, original game, that would not have been released if it weren't for the GBA. What other console would except it? The PSP does have original games, I'm not saying it doesn't, but the majority of the games are almost exactly like the console versions from THIS generation. I never said anything about Wipeout Pure, so uhh, what the hell.
I'm very happy that the DS embraces both 2D and 3D gameplay. Even the PSP has a few 2D games (although they are fighters and puzzlers...) . The longer it takes to eradicate 2D gameplay the better.
Post by: Bill Aurion on April 25, 2005, 10:53:10 AM
You've got to be kidding me...Nintendo ALWAYS gets bitched about when it comes to remakes or sequels while Sony gets off scotch-free!
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 25, 2005, 05:45:30 PM
Bill Aurion: I was pointing out the hypocrisy in what KN was saying, I wasn't agreeing with him. Both Nintendo and Sony feed us the same old same old, it's not like one is any better than the other. They just do it in different ways.
Post by: KnowsNothing on April 25, 2005, 05:56:55 PM
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One could argue that the only reason handhelds are currently the last bastion of 2D gaming is because it's the one area where Nintendo can get away with selling obsolete technology.
I can totally live with that.
And now I've long forgotten what my original post was.
Post by: thepoga on April 25, 2005, 08:15:39 PM
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I said games and STYLES of games. The mainstream wants everything 3D, but we need something to keep 2D gaming alive. Take Mario & Luigi for instance; it's a beautiful, original game, that would not have been released if it weren't for the GBA. What other console would except it?
Paper Mario? Viewtiful Joe? Smash Bros?
Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 26, 2005, 08:32:48 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 26, 2005, 09:07:40 AM
Post by: MrMojoRising on April 26, 2005, 11:39:27 AM
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Post by: NWR_Lindy on April 26, 2005, 07:48:56 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on April 27, 2005, 09:28:05 AM
Post by: MrAustin on May 11, 2005, 02:30:37 PM
As far as the NDS/PSP debate, my view is this: I had a DS, I have no patience, and I have no DS. I have a PSP, patience need not apply, I'm happy. I don't bash others for wanting a DS, it's just not my ball of wax. I understand that with new hardware there is always a period of 'getting to know' what it can do, but at the end of the day I just want a good game and could care less what hoops the companies we pay to play said game have to jump through to get it done.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 13, 2005, 02:29:06 AM
