Post by: Savior on March 04, 2005, 02:10:32 PM
admitedly im hoping its some sort of translation error
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 04, 2005, 02:32:34 PM
Post by: Noble~Feather on March 04, 2005, 02:43:04 PM
Also, if the DS is any indication, Devs will flood there way to Revo.
Remember Iwata's consistant comparing of DS and Revo. DS has touch screen, 2 screens, mic, ect... but it can still play games as such, say, Devil May Cry. Only this time, it can play it with the addition (note that word) of touch screen, 2 screens, mic, ect.
It's kind of funny, actually, the Revo is like the DS in many ways (only I can almost assure you it won't be labled a "gimmick", "Virtual Boy 2", ect.). When people first heard of DS, EVERYONE was freaking out! Even though they had never seen the DS. That seems to be the case with Revo (only not so extreme).
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 02:47:22 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 04, 2005, 02:59:04 PM
Isn't it a bit early?
Post by: Caillan on March 04, 2005, 03:01:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 03:07:53 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
There are devs working on Revo software?
Isn't it a bit early?
Camelot has just started work on a next-gen RPG...And considering they are buddy-buds with Ninty, you could say it's most like a Rev game...
Post by: PaLaDiN on March 04, 2005, 03:15:23 PM
Are you kidding? I love this guy's quotes. Always about how graphics won't matter next gen. That makes the gameplay whore in me feel all warm inside.
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 03:17:57 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2005, 03:19:10 PM
In general I find that Iwata comes across as NUTS in interviews. When he talks it sounds like Nintendo has NO CLUE IN HELL how to do ANYTHING. Due to much stress I think I'll just ignore when he says anything. If Nintendo is thinking as retarded as Iwata implies it's not like we can do anything about it anyway.
Reggie is cool. He always makes it sound like Nintendo is THE gaming company and that everything is under control. He might be full of crap for all we know but it's still makes you feel pretty good you know.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 04, 2005, 03:23:55 PM
Post by: Savior on March 04, 2005, 03:24:54 PM
http://cube.ign.com/articles/593/593733p1.html
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 03:32:48 PM
Nintendo Minute #6
And you need to be more open-minded and actually think about what Iwata says...I have found everything he says as very humble and realistic...
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 04, 2005, 03:46:55 PM
He mentioned that if the console is appealing enough than it may attract more thrid parties than usual, but if not appealing, then there will be no third part support. It's a maybe win / definitely lose situation. It all depends on the unvieling of the console at E3. He could be using the downplay tactic. Saying that the console might actually not be that good at all, then at E3 it would be easier to go above and beyond people's expectations. I think that is just denial though.....
I feel, in a way, a bit frightened but also excited. I love gambles, but not so much with my favorite company. In actuality this could be the end of my favorite console/game developer. While Nintendo being a third party game company wouldn't be so bad....I just can't imagine it. After being on top so long, how could they fall so quick so sudden? I can't wait to see E3!
Post by: Savior on March 04, 2005, 04:00:59 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 04:05:38 PM
Post by: RickPowers on March 04, 2005, 04:16:35 PM
Still, I don't understand the logic of coming right out and saying that they may lose all third-party support. I think that this strategy of "growing the market" is the single biggest risk that Nintendo has ever taken, and why they're doing it with both the DS and with Revolution, I just can't fathom.
Post by: Savior on March 04, 2005, 04:22:48 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 04:34:23 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on March 04, 2005, 05:19:23 PM
I interpret it as the Revolution being unique enough from the competition that third parties won't support it if they view the PS3's and Xbox's "better graphics only" design as being superior. However if they view the Revolution design as superior then it will attract a lot of third party support. Nintendo has been saying a lot that better graphics and better hardware isn't enough. So what he's saying here is that if they're correct in that assumption then the Revolution will really attract third parties but if they're wrong then they're screwed. I'd say that's logical. It's scary if you think Nintendo is wrong in their assumption but if you share their opinion then this can be seen as good news.
It's risky as hell though. So much so that I'd say it goes beyond calculated and more into the category of sheer luck. I agree with Rick in that it's very odd that Nintendo decided that taking this huge gamble was worth it in BOTH game markets. Nintendo is not leaving things open for potential failure here. If they're wrong then they risk not only killing off their console presence for good but ruining their lucrative portable domination as well. Nintendo must REALLY think the industry is on the wrong path to be doing something like this.
No matter what Iwata is going to be a very major figure in gaming history. He'll either be known as the guy who killed Nintendo or the guy that led Nintendo into completely changing the industry.
Post by: Caillan on March 04, 2005, 05:39:17 PM
"Nintendo must REALLY think the industry is on the wrong path to be doing something like this."
Well, in a Nintendo Minute thingie Kaplin said: "We don't feel the market is broken -- just limited. Nintendo's goal is to increase the total number of game players in addition to serving current players." Funny how a NOA rep always has to clear things up. Anyway, this would imply that Nintendo is needlessly taking a big risk. At least IGN will be happy.
Iwata has a key-note next week at the GDC.
Post by: Savior on March 04, 2005, 06:01:37 PM
Post by: Artimus on March 04, 2005, 06:08:20 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on March 04, 2005, 06:10:55 PM
Of course you can say the Revolution is a big risk, but what if noone took that risk? It'd just be a big repeat of this current gen...People that don't like gaming this gen won't like gaming next-gen, and that's what Ninty is focusing on...They wish to appease the hardcore fanbase and attract new gamers as well, and it's that extra reach that is needed in the gaming industry...For me it's nothing to worry about...If there's anyone who can expand the market, it's Nintendo, and if they fail then we'll see just how limited the market is...
Post by: Famicom on March 04, 2005, 06:48:17 PM
...or not.
Post by: Talon on March 04, 2005, 07:04:25 PM
Who is Iwata's audience?
I believe its more a japanese audience than the rest of the world.
Im going to go out on a limb here and say, while american video game developers seem to be churning out more visually appealing games using the old tried and true formulas, the japanese game developers are more interested in new ways of playing games. With the current slump in the japanese market I think no longer do they (the japanese) want to keep playing rehash after rehash of the same old formula in alot of games today. This is where Nintendo comes in with all new ways of playing video games ala Revolution designed to give the japanese market a kickstart and reinvigorate it.
With this in mind I think Iwata is really only telling half the story which is more foccused around the japanese market, therefore alot of his comments may seem quite daunting to the rest of the world. I really dont think Nintendo would alienate themselves that much and have no third party support what so ever. I believe that the Revolution will initially appeal more to Japanese Developers and they will all be trying to jump on board, whereas the US developers will be harder to win over initially and its going to take alot of hard work on Nintendo's behalf to turn them.
Finally it seems that everytime Iwata does say something he always compares the revolution to the DS. Now the DS can still play the more traditional styles of games as well as add extra functionality and new ways of interacting with games if the developer chooses to. I think this is the mentality that we should have with the Revolution. 3rd parties can develop all the traditional style gameplay games as they want with upgraded graphics as well have the option if they choose to , to add new ways of interacting and playing their current franchises.
BRING ON E3!!!
Post by: mantidor on March 04, 2005, 07:54:04 PM
"If the next generation platforms are going to create even more gorgeous looking games using further enhanced functionality, and if that next-gen market can still expand the games industry, I'm afraid that third-parties may not support Nintendo"
that honeslty is tha same as saying "if rev isnt appealing there wont be third party support" which is obvious to anyone with a brain, now the choice of words of the translator made idiot Matt (sorry but Im sick of that guy) put things like doom and gloom to Nintendo, as he always do. He isnt really "afraid" they way the want to portrait it, he isnt expecting the Revolution to lack third party support, he just said what everyone already knew, how Revo is risky, nothing more. he's not thinking Revo will fail.
And whats people's rection? Savior's first post says it all:
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1.less third party support
which Iwata cleary didnt say, because if you read the whole quote there's a big IF.
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2.more third party support because the Nintendo Revolution wont have great looking games?
O_o! thats stretching Iwata's words way too much!
the most important thing he said imo was this
"Already publishers are not hesitant in disclosing their concerns over next generation gaming platforms, and development costs are rising. Publishers are afraid... of whether [next-gen] consoles can appeal to people who are not the avid game fans of today."
which is really interesting, hes saying that if next gen consoles dont expand the market developers will be worried. I didnt know that Nintendo wasnt alone in his way of thinking, unless Iwata is lying, but I know he wont do that.
/end rant
uuff, that made me feel better, Ive never been so pissed about an internet article.
Post by: ThePerm on March 04, 2005, 08:06:21 PM
Post by: joeposh on March 05, 2005, 10:28:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Noble~Feather
Lots of devs working on Revo software, from what I see, really seem to be amazed. Remember Jon Romero's (God I butchered that name) comments? He's not the only one saying things like that.
Also, if the DS is any indication, Devs will flood there way to Revo.
Wait... developers are flooding to the DS? Really? *looks at the handful of games released in the past 4 months* could have fooled me.
Honestly this is the kind of crap that really pisses me off. I'm all for Nintendo doing something new and innovative but only if it truely enhances the gaming experience. I think the DS is a cool little piece of hardware but it's hard to make truely fufilling, deep gaming experiences for it. Both Yoshi's Touch and Go or Kirby's Magic Paintbrush, which are supposed to show off what you can do with the DS, seem gimmicky to me. I don't want the Revolution to produce similar results.
Plus who are these "new demographics" they're hoping to draw in? Kids, teens and men between 20-50 seem to be as into video games as ever, so what is Nintendo gunning for? The coveted nursing home demograpic? Sorry for all the sarcasm and negativity but I honestly feel like the Nintendo PR machine, outside of Reggie, is doing everything they can to keep me from antcipating this system. Looking at that IGN poll it seems alot of other Nintendo fans feel the same way. Screw expansion... worry about erosion.
Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on March 05, 2005, 10:39:24 AM
as for the games there are well over a hundred games currently under production for the DS.
And finally before you judge the DS lineup why not wait for games like Another Code, Meteos, Jam with the band and others to come out in the states.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 05, 2005, 10:53:03 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on March 06, 2005, 10:13:17 AM
Post by: Galford on March 06, 2005, 03:11:55 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 07, 2005, 05:18:22 AM
DS: The DS has had a rocky start, but it's too early to judge it. N64, PS2, XBox and GameCube all had the same problem (although I'll admit the N64 was the only console where the problem was as pronounced as it is with the DS). Seriously, though, in the next few months things are going to be looking way up.
Revolution: The system is going to be a risk, but that's what makes Nintendo interesting. I will not pay $500 for a system that plays exactly like the GameCube with better graphics. Revolution could be too weird or lacking in sufficient depth to be worth purchasing, but on the other hand, a system that's just a straightforward upgrade definitely won't be worth purchasing to me...not until some price drops occur, at least.
Third Parties: I do hope Nintendo does everything in its power to attract third parties, I think strong and varied third party support is one of the key elements to success in the industry.
Post by: Ian Sane on March 07, 2005, 06:42:01 AM
Perhaps it's to cushion the blow of low Rev third party support at E3. Of course that doesn't make things better. It doesn't matter if you prepare me first I still consider it completely unacceptable. Personally if their were third party problems I would keep quiet and hope no one noticed.
"I will not pay $500 for a system that plays exactly like the GameCube with better graphics."
Neither would I. But then I wouldn't pay $500 for some wacky power glove console either. In fact I wouldn't pay $500 for ANY console. You're kind of lumping an instant "no-buy" situation to that statement with the price. I could say "I would glady pay $100 for a Gamecube with better graphics." That's an unrealistic price but it makes the purchase sound really good.
I find it funny that a fair bit of people here are saying that they're not interested in just a hardware upgrade. BS. If Nintendo showed off a more powerful fairly traditional console at E3 priced like the Cube was with an amazing new Zelda or Mario or Metroid game at launch you would buy it. You would buy it and you would LOVE it and you would defend the Rev against any criticism, fair or unfair. Anyone who was willing to buy a DS for a Mario game they had already played to death 8 years ago would buy a "Super Gamecube" Revolution.
Few would not buy a traditional Revolution just because it was traditional but many possibly would not buy an innovative Revolution because it was too different.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 07, 2005, 07:17:55 AM
Also, I have yet to buy a DS because it doesn't look worth the purchase right now.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 07, 2005, 07:56:32 AM
Personally I'll wait and see, none of those consoles is worth anything without games.
Post by: mjbd on March 08, 2005, 11:24:32 AM
Post by: Galford on March 08, 2005, 04:21:48 PM
then first party.
First party is important, but if companys like EA, Capcom, Konami, and Square-Enix don't make you their primary platform, you're screwed. Look at the games that decided the last
two generations.
PSX - FF7(2nd/3rd party)
PS2 -GTA 3 (3rd party)
Third parties tend to make games that mainstream gamers play.
Mainstream gamers now make up most of the people who play games.
Nintendo has yet to embrace that fact.
Post by: pitbull on March 19, 2005, 10:43:25 AM
You now Capcom will support it along with Sega,Act,Ubi,Kon,Mid,Squ-Eni,EA and all N's talent with Ret and the Jap developers will be there too. So N will be fine. 80-90% of games are crap anyways but people like a selection and bragging rights even if there only gonna buy the AAA titles.
Post by: couchmonkey on March 21, 2005, 05:18:19 AM
:First, on $500, I was being general, and I was talking Canadian dollars. The Xbox launched at $450 here, so $500 is not that unlikely. I definitely don't expect the new consoles to cost $500 US, though.
Second, I really mean it! If Revolution was just GameCube part 2 and it retailed for around $300 Canadian, I would wait for a price drop (or two!) before buying it. I'm not saying I'd never buy it, because of course I want to play new Nintendo games, but I'm not that interested in a pure graphical upgrade. On the other hand, if Revolution is at least as interesting and unique as DS, then I will definitely buy one at launch (yes, even if the launch lineup sucks as badly as the DS lineup did).
Last, I'm glad Nintendo announced that the new system will be GameCube backwards-compatible, because with that, the third parties can probably port all the traditional games they want to it, and I don't think we need to worry too much about third party support.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 21, 2005, 06:13:48 AM
