Gaming Forums => General Gaming => Topic started by: mT3 on February 12, 2005, 03:17:13 AM
Title: Xbox 2 suffer same doom as dreamcast?
Post by: mT3 on February 12, 2005, 03:17:13 AM
does anyone think that if they release xbox2 too early it will flop just like the dreamcast did??
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on February 12, 2005, 04:44:44 AM
Depends on what happens.
If it has BW comp. and good hardware probably not.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 12, 2005, 05:26:48 AM
Well since a console depends on its software it depends on that really so we have to wait.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 12, 2005, 08:10:02 AM
Well, will Sega games continue to FLOP on the Xbox brands?
Are there any interesting Japanese Xbox2 titles that the Japanese market will CARE about?
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Post by: Avinash_Tyagi on February 12, 2005, 08:18:32 AM
I really doubt the Xbox will ever achieve a lot in the Japanese market, they don't have the games. But more importantly they offer what sony does in hardware more or less so there is little incentive to pick xbox over playstation
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Post by: darknight06 on February 12, 2005, 09:12:54 AM
I doubt Microsoft will be going anywhere unless they leave on their own free will, which I don't see happening. Microsoft has a lot of money to throw around for stuff like this, the system would have to bomb REAL hard not to have an X-Box 3. Now if what I hear about Microsoft not giving X-Box 2/Next/Xenon no where close to as much monetary support is true, that may change some things.
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Post by: mjbd on February 12, 2005, 12:02:16 PM
Has Microsoft ever started making money off the X-box? I know when it first came out they were losing big time money, and was wondering if they have ever made up the loses and started to make money. Even though X-box has more systems sold world wide than gamecube, I am willing to bet that nintendo has made more money from gamecube than Microsoft has from X-box, seeing as how nintendo never lost big money on each system they sold. I think Microsoft is trying to get away with losing so much money per system with the X-box 2, which should be a good thing.
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Post by: Gamefreak on February 12, 2005, 12:11:19 PM
Well it could pull a Dreamcast... (die)
Or a PS2... (win)
Or a Genesis... (stay strong in US, die in Japan) <----------------- Likely
All of the above systems launched 1 year early, and were less powerful than their competitors (Xbox2 is garaunteed to be less powerful than Rev. which will have a 1 year newer CPU/GPU from the same companies, and also PS3 which will be very fast).
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Post by: Caillan on February 12, 2005, 12:20:52 PM
The Dreamcast was launched by a company whose last console was the Saturn. The XBox, especially in terms of mind share, is much more successful than the Saturn. The Gamecube is arguably as powerful as the XBox (see Rebel Strike and RE4) but most people think the XBox is more powerful anyway, so the lack of power will likely not be an issue.
The XBox has been losing less money every quater, and boosted by Halo 2 it actually didn't lose any this holiday season.
Title: RE:Xbox 2 suffer same doom as dreamcast?
Post by: mT3 on February 12, 2005, 12:29:14 PM
Yes, but the Ps2 released at the PERFECT time. the dreamcast was too early, people werent ready for a next gen. then ps2 came out, it was time. knocked dreamcast out of the picture, and had about 1 year of NO competition. Had a lot of time for sales. and all the developers didnt have to pick and choose which console to go with. all there was was ps2. consumers didnt have to make a hard decision, if you wanted the next gen console, the only one out at that time = ps2= buy it.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 12, 2005, 09:19:47 PM
There's no way the Xbox Next will suffer the same fate as the Dreamcast. First of all this isn't that early. A year before it nothing. The PS2 launched a year before the other two consoles and it didn't really affect anything. The Dreamcast launched so early it was hard to tell if it was the first of a new generation or the last of an old one. It was right in the middle which is far too soon.
Plus MS has amazing marketing. The Xbox does not deserve to be where it is right now and Halo doesn't deserve to be considered on of the best ever. But thanks to brilliant marketing the Xbox is a big player. I asume that great marketing will continue.
The only problem I see for the Xbox Next is that this time MS needs to make a profit so they can't afford to throw millions of dollars at everything. That limitation may hurt the Xbox Next. MS can't just buy any developer they want anymore or spend as much on marketing. They can't have the best hardware anymore which again takes away an advantage the Xbox had. A console maker that's always looking at the bottom line isn't as fun (see Nintendo as an obvious example) as one that just does whatever it wants. I think some Xbox fans are Xbox fans because of that freedom. MS is going to be more careful this time and that might turn people off.
Other than that potential problem I think the Xbox Next has a good chance of doing all right.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 13, 2005, 09:47:46 AM
its funny, microsoft and nintendo have opposite strategies.... Nintend0...spend less this generation...possibly spend more next Mircrosoft...spend more this gen...spend alot less next.
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Post by: Noble~Feather on February 13, 2005, 10:19:35 AM
Ya know, I highly doubt it.
However, if they do infact use DVD's for Xenon like rumors suggest, then I believe they will suffer the same doom as N64.
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on February 13, 2005, 11:36:18 AM
Well Noble Xbox discs are already 9.2ish GB and why would companies need a disc that has 20 - 50 GB for? Only really big PC games had multi DVD discs far cry with 5, EQ2 with 10(not sure on that number) and some other random PC games. Do you see companies hiking the price just because a game has multipul discs? No because discs are cheap to make. Well carts on the other hand are more expensive to make and your limitied with what you have so Xbox2/Xenon wont be screwed if they stick to their standard of DVDs.
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Post by: Gamefreak on February 13, 2005, 06:42:03 PM
20-50 GB discs will give you what? about 3 or 4 years before some RPG already needs 2 discs Once you start having CGI cutscences in high definition that space will be gone quick
Anyway, I don't think having DVD's will make it suffer the same "doom" as N64. First, N64 didn't do bad, second, it made tons of money, way more than Sony made off PS1 despite the higher sales.
Second, I think comparing DVD to Blu-ray isn't the same as comparing carts to CD's. It's more like comparing GC discs to DVD's. The worst that could happen is some compression issues for cutscenes or making a game two disc.
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Post by: Artimus on February 13, 2005, 09:05:55 PM
Too bad that 'worst' thing damaged the GC pretty bad.
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Post by: mT3 on February 14, 2005, 06:02:24 PM
the are using the 20 gb discs because they have to. the next gen console games will be too powerful for the current dvds. they need much more room to produce larger worlds and more importantly better visuals.
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Post by: Gamefreak on February 14, 2005, 08:07:53 PM
Really? How did it damage it? The only thing that damaged the GCN was not being able to play DVD's... and that's not a problem with Xbox2, since it will play all the movies you need. It's not like all of a sudden all movies are going to ship on blu ray or HD-DVD The low space hasn't hurt GCN sales.. most consumers don't even know the GCN discs hold less space. I'll tell you want they do know. That the GCN discs load way faster than PS2 discs.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 15, 2005, 05:24:02 AM
Look, they could realistically go with 5GB disks without much of a problem, games are around that size without all the bloat. If the Xen is the weakest system it'll be the primary console for development and the games won't use as much bloat as they'd usually do.
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Post by: couchmonkey on February 15, 2005, 06:40:45 AM
I think we'rel making a bigger deal out of disc size than we should. I think it has a medium effect on developers, but I don't think consumers or developers will make a big deal out of it unless there's a huge difference...in the case of the N64, the size was much more restrictive than the PSX, and the games were also way more expensive both for developers and gamers.
I think Dreamcast was doing okay, but Sega had already screwed up so badly for so long that it died off. I do think the Xenon could falter because of its early release, but I think Microsoft will be willing to keep it afloat long enough to be a decent success. My personal guess is that it will actually be very successful, especially in North America.
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Post by: Gamefreak on February 15, 2005, 07:28:44 PM
Well the think that helped kill DC was piracy... I mean, every kid I know with a DC, no matter how casual of a gamer, has copied DC games. Usually most of their games are copied.
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Post by: Ymeegod on February 16, 2005, 05:29:38 AM
Privacy, yeah that what ended up killing the DC IMO as well.
And I doubt nintendo's going have the faster chip neither--nintendo's always gone with "budget" in mind and I don't think that's going change much. Sony's going have the "cell processor" but god only knows if that's going live up to the hype.
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Post by: Gamefreak on February 16, 2005, 09:55:25 PM
What are yout talking about Nintendo's always had the fastest console, except for Xbox which is only slightly more powerful than Gamecube.
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Post by: Uglydot on February 17, 2005, 01:52:06 AM
The Dreamcast failed due to early release because it was Dreamcast. PS2 launched before GCN and Xbox, seems to be doing quite fine to me.
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Post by: KDR_11k on February 17, 2005, 05:35:29 AM
Ymeegod: Get your spelling right, privacy is a human right, the felony you're searching for is piracy!
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Post by: nemo_83 on February 20, 2005, 11:36:05 AM
I like to think of the NextBox as MS's soon to be third failure in the console market in like 6 or 7 years.
