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Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: Mario on February 14, 2003, 10:18:50 AM
Some guy on IGN, said a big Sega announcement would be coming next week sometime. He is a apparently very reliable and has a good track record. I wonder what it will be? Super Monkey Ball 3? Skies of Arcadia 2? Virtua Fighter Quest? Sonic Adventure 3? Hmmmm, very intriging...
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: bryanee on February 14, 2003, 10:25:54 AM
<gets on knees and prays for shenmue 3, virtua fighter quest will do just fine though, and dont let them cancel any games which i care about>
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Post by: Marufy007 on February 14, 2003, 10:29:16 AM
if they wanna make me really happy then they can announce a Shining Force game! that would be super!


did you guys also see the rumor about Chrono Break and Chrono Trigger 2? i saw it somewhere on the n-philes forum. it'll be pretty neat if it happens! Square would make me cream my pants like back in the good ol days!  
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Post by: Mario on February 14, 2003, 10:39:52 AM
Alex the Kidd anyone?
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Post by: TAYREL713 on February 14, 2003, 10:58:52 AM
Alex Kidd was a Turbo Grafx 16 game not a Sega game, but his return has been put off for far to long. Alex Kidd in Miracle World 2, yeah, thats what im talking bout.
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Post by: Sean on February 14, 2003, 11:02:09 AM
I'd figuratively have a heart-attack great enough to tumble the mountains if Sega announced a new Shining Force for the GCN.  Shining Force 1 and 2 for the Genesis are my favorite strat's ever, just ahead of Dragon Force for Saturn and Advance Wars.  I'm super anxious to find out more about this VF Quest game--it's seemingly been in the works for twenty years.

That said, only two things I can think of could equal or top nearly anything Nintendo themselves could announce and those things are:

1) a 2.5-D (or straight-out 2-D) Sonic game eschewing the Adventure-style Sonic gameplay.  My dream back in the 16-bit days was that when new systems came along, the companies would actually make games like the ones we had but with 16,000 colors and much more animation and CD-quality music.  Sadly, this never really happened, with few exceptions.  Everything just went 3-D (I know, I'm beating a dead horse that's been thrashed a thousand, thousand times already) and much of it just will never truly work.  Nintendo proved it can be done equally or better, but Sega's Sonic games have done nothing but make Sonic fans wish for 2-D again (even though I think Sonic Adventure was a lot of fun).

2) One word, and it's so predictable: NiGHTS.

Let me add a third just for kicks:

3) Phantasy Star 5 (screw this online stuff for just a while).

(Oh, and I don't think this was solely a Sega game, but I'm dying for an update of the classic Wonder Boy in Monster World games!!!!!!!  Isn't everyone?  Hahaha...they could even use that Tenacious D song for the heck of it.  Or not.)  
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Post by: Modulus-X on February 14, 2003, 11:12:15 AM
expect a port...thats all sega seems to give the gamecube, if it is an original title i will be surprised.  *hopes for Virtua Fighter Quest*
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Post by: Mario on February 14, 2003, 11:56:08 AM
Its not a port, the guy said the announcement is BIG, a port isnt BIG.
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 14, 2003, 12:08:16 PM
I think it will be Sonic Adventure 2 Battle DX.  Yes that's right.   An enhanced Gamecube port of a Gamecube port of a Dreamcast title that for the most part sucked to begin with.

Okay I don't REALLY think that's what'll be announced but knowing Sega it's not too unbelievable.

Who is "some guy on IGN"?  Is he a staff member or just some forum dork?  What sort of stuff was he right about in the past?
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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 14, 2003, 12:13:27 PM
I am kind of dubious about this as well...  but what the heck.  I haven't gone overboard hyping a rumor in a while.  Hows about a new Shining Force game, or a sequel to Skies of Arcadia?  Wouldn't that just make everyone crap their pants?
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Post by: cmoney on February 14, 2003, 01:05:01 PM
Yes. I might crap my pants.
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Post by: Perfect Cell on February 14, 2003, 01:55:02 PM
1.Nights into dreams 2.........

2.Trigun Planet Gunsmoke

3.Fighting Vipers 3 for the Triforce

4.Sonic Adventure 3 Exclusive

5.Eternal Champions 3


I would love any of the aformentioned items.
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Post by: BlkPaladin on February 14, 2003, 01:55:51 PM
Let's hope the big announcment isn't VF: Quest because if it is it either means it will be ported or moved to another console. Since it is confirmed to be coming to the Gamecube at this point in time.  
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Post by: Tsunekazu on February 14, 2003, 02:08:06 PM
Sega has said they do not want to make a sequel to NiGHTS.  It's one of those things where if you make a sequel, you risk ruining the series.  That hasn't changed since the interview a few years back.  NiGHTS on GBA perhaps, but I wouldn't get your hopes up for a NiGHTS sequel, you'll likely never see one.
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Post by: AlphaDragoon2002 on February 14, 2003, 02:21:05 PM
Two words...

Shenmue 3.
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 14, 2003, 05:42:21 PM
*pets sega payrolled friend* Why, oh why, are you imaginary?!

I'm hoping for a new Alex Kidd or Skies of Arcadia 2.
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Post by: aoi tsuki on February 14, 2003, 06:19:16 PM
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Originally posted by: TAYREL713
Alex Kidd was a Turbo Grafx 16 game not a Sega game, but his return has been put off for far to long. Alex Kidd in Miracle World 2, yeah, thats what im talking bout.


Alex Kidd was a Sega game, and never appeared on any other systems. Wonder Boy did appear on Amiga and Turbo CD later on, but it was first on the Master System.
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Post by: Hybrid Hunter on February 14, 2003, 07:49:41 PM
I'd like to see Shenmue on GCN. I think it would sell better on Gamecube than it would on X-Box.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 14, 2003, 08:42:48 PM
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Originally posted by: TAYREL713
Alex Kidd was a Turbo Grafx 16 game not a Sega game, but his return has been put off for far to long. Alex Kidd in Miracle World 2, yeah, thats what im talking bout.


Alex Kidd was infact a Sega game. He was born in the arcades, then became one of Sega's main mascot's for the Master System ^^

Anyway, I'm hoping for a new Wonderboy game.... It's been over 10 years since Wonderboy III Sega! Give us a new one! *Cries*
What I'm expecting? Monkey Ball 3, or an online Daytona.

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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 14, 2003, 09:20:42 PM
I just sent Sega an email.  I am actually very displeased with them at this moment in time, as I cannot find a copy of Skies of Arcadia anywhere around here in spite of trying my hardest.  I just thought I would share the email here.  What possible good does it do me if they make games for the GameCube but don't sell them?  Buying games online is NOT something I like to do.

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Somehow I get the impression that Sega hates making money.  Why else would they refuse to supply enough copies of Skies of Arcadia to cover all of North America?  I haven't seen a single copy of Skies of Arcadia Legends in my area (Lethbridge, Alberta), and I know that I am not the only one with this problem.  EBGames is sold out and copies are on backorder, and none of the stores in my area have even heard of the game.
 
If the sales of Skies of Arcadia Legends is supposed to determine the chances of a sequel, then I guess you guys don't want to make a sequel too badly, as it seems that YOU REFUSE TO SELL THE GAME TO ME!
 
-Angry GameCube owner.
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 14, 2003, 09:48:18 PM
Grey Ninja, somehow I get the impression you're not really looking for the game. Aren't you really looking for reasons to not like Sega? How hard is it to check out some online stores, eh?
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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 14, 2003, 10:21:23 PM
I LIVE IN FREAKING CANADA!

Paying $20+ to have a game shipped to me that should be available in stores is simply lunacy.  I think I will end up paying inflated prices for shipping, but it is NOT what I want to be doing.  I have no gripes with Sega, at least not before they decided that Lethbridge wasn't worthy of recieving their games.  You may be willing to spend 1/3 the costs of the game itself on shipping, but I tend to balk at that, as I am starving to death already.  Give me one good reason why I shouldn't be mad at Sega.

PS:  I also am not a fan of their customer service.  They don't even have the courtesy to write you back.
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Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 14, 2003, 10:27:51 PM
Go get a pre-owned Dreamcast and a copy of SoA. It'd most likely work out cheaper...

Meanwhile, I have to wait six more months for an Australian release of SoA, not only that, but Dreamcast's are one of the rarest consoles ever in this country. At least you have a choice of sorts!

*Looks over at broken DC, cries*
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 15, 2003, 02:29:36 AM
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Paying $20+ to have a game shipped to me that should be available in stores is simply lunacy. I think I will end up paying inflated prices for shipping, but it is NOT what I want to be doing. I have no gripes with Sega, at least not before they decided that Lethbridge wasn't worthy of recieving their games. You may be willing to spend 1/3 the costs of the game itself on shipping, but I tend to balk at that, as I am starving to death already. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't be mad at Sega.


Try dvdboxoffice.com (its canadian, and its free shipping) or national console support www.ncsx.com I only pay 9bucks for shipping and thats for getting a game within 4-5 days in germany.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 15, 2003, 02:38:02 AM
Considering that most 1st party games go for like $60 around here, I'm not really getting that great of a deal buying online.  DVDBoxOffice is in fact probably where I will end up buying the game in the end, but I am still bitter about it, and I think I have a right to be.  Being forced to buy a game online because the retailers aren't getting any copies of the game is simply inexcusable.  Besides, most online retailers are sold out anyways.

Thanks for your help though.  I have calmed myself down a little now, and I am in the mood to be reasonable.    Just had to get that rant out of my system.  (Although I probably should send Sega another rant about their customer service)
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 15, 2003, 02:56:11 AM
yeah your welcome, DVDboxoffice is really great
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Post by: PaLaDiN on February 15, 2003, 06:35:12 AM
DVDBO is the worst POS website I have ever had any contact with.

Sure, on the surface it all looks clean, legit and all that...

But I've tried preordering Zelda there, and my experiences were insatisfactory to say the least.

Anyway, back on topic...

I think the Sega GCN announcement is Virtua Fighter Quest. Not because it hasn't been announced already, but because nobody knows jack about it except for two pathetically blurry snapshots of a moving sheet of paper containing screens from the game... from a distance.
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Post by: TheResidentEvil on February 15, 2003, 07:21:12 AM
Shenmue 3. That is all.
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Post by: bryanee on February 15, 2003, 08:05:57 AM
i really want shenmue 3, but i'd also like to see them get shenmue 1 on the gc, i love it and i wudnt hav to keep gettin my dc out to play it.
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Post by: ThePerm on February 15, 2003, 10:38:35 AM
shenmue 1-3 super saga
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Post by: Tride15 on February 15, 2003, 01:24:59 PM
Mario, did you get this information from the IGN Boards or did one of the IGN editors actually say this? Who is this very reliable source you're referring to?  
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Post by: Ace on February 15, 2003, 08:36:14 PM
Guys, It won't be Sonic Adventure 3 because Naka said that they were abandoning the Adventure name for the Sonic's.  It also won't be Virtua Fighter Quest because it was already announced to be exclusive to the cube.  I do hope that it's NiGHTS, Skies of Arcadia 2, Phantasy Star 5, a Shining game, Shenmue 3 or even Streets of Rage 4
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 15, 2003, 08:52:03 PM
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Guys, It won't be Sonic Adventure 3 because Naka said that they were abandoning the Adventure name for the Sonic's. It also won't be Virtua Fighter Quest because it was already announced to be exclusive to the cube. I do hope that it's NiGHTS


Wait a minute. You're using facts to refute the wishes of others and then you start out your own wish-list with one of the games Sonic Team is least likely to ever give another shot and one they have actually commented on not wanting to do. Yeah, likely.
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Post by: Kai on February 16, 2003, 12:15:09 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
DVDBO is the worst POS website I have ever had any contact with.

Sure, on the surface it all looks clean, legit and all that...

But I've tried preordering Zelda there, and my experiences were insatisfactory to say the least.




What problems have you had?

Although they are slow with shipping, they don't charge for it, so if you are prepared to wait four weeks to get a game, then DVDBoxoffice is good (and I think the site is fine)

You will have the same problem pre-ordering Zelda there as you will have with any retailer that isn't one of the "participating retailers" They are not sure if, when, and how many copies of the game they will get.  

Some stores got copies of the game who weren't on the list, but that's because they pulled some strings with other companies that WERE.

I actually think if you really want a copy of the game, then you are gambling to some extent when you buy it from any store that isn't on the official list. The people at DVDBoxoffice probably know less about the deal than we do.
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Post by: PaLaDiN on February 16, 2003, 01:35:36 AM
I'd post the string of emails I exchanged with them here, but I won't because:

1. They have personal info.
2. The sheer stupidity could be hazardous/contagious.
3. I don't wanna drive them out of business THAT badly.
4. I don't want other companies to get more ideas on how to con people out of money.
5. Just thinking about them makes my blood boil.
6. We'd get off topic, like we are now.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 16, 2003, 04:42:03 AM
4 weeks of shipping isn't something I am willing to put up with anyways.  

I might just get it from EBGames if they are ever not backordered.
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 16, 2003, 06:18:08 AM
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Although they are slow with shipping, they don't charge for it, so if you are prepared to wait four weeks to get a game, then DVDBoxoffice is good (and I think the site is fine)


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4 weeks of shipping isn't something I am willing to put up with anyways.


4weeks? The longest I waited was 3 weeks and thats to get a game to Germany, where do you guys live??
Afghanistan, Iraq, Siberia????


Back on topic, Shenmue 3 is highly unlikely because someone working on the SHenmue 2 Xbox version(i think he was director) said that one should expect further Shenmue games on the Xbox. I wonder why Sega are that stupid, after all, Shenmue 2 sold badly on the Xbox.

Sega would do well in putting all SHenmue games on the GCN, after all, GCN is the paradise for ports (RE, Skies, Sonic...)
If theres any truth to it, it might just be some crappy game. like a cooking sim or something
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 16, 2003, 04:10:33 PM
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4weeks? The longest I waited was 3 weeks and thats to get a game to Germany, where do you guys live?? Afghanistan, Iraq, Siberia????


Don't look down on those places man.. Germany is the new #1 enemy of the US.
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 16, 2003, 04:13:52 PM
oh btw. That was a "funny" because it's true kind of joke. uhuu.

Anyway. Grey Ninja, I think you should look into getting it from dvdboxoffice. They're pretty good.
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Post by: Ace on February 16, 2003, 05:00:17 PM
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Wait a minute. You're using facts to refute the wishes of others and then you start out your own wish-list with one of the games Sonic Team is least likely to ever give another shot and one they have actually commented on not wanting to do. Yeah, likely.  


Sonic Team said that they didn't want to make another NiGHTS game?  I never knew that.  Can anyone tell me what the first one was about?  I hear it was great but never got a chance to play it.
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 16, 2003, 05:58:53 PM
It was a copout man. The point wasn't to discredit your list. Even though Sonic Team have said this in the past. The point is, times change.. what someone said once may not apply anymore. Opinions change. What's financially feasable change. No one here knows what Sega's going to put their snouts into next so there's no point in backing up why this game couldn't be made and that game won't be made.
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Post by: LOUiE on February 16, 2003, 07:50:37 PM
I'm hoping for Shining Force 4, or a port of all 3 scenarios of SF3, or how about both at the same time.  That would rock.
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Post by: Grey Ninja on February 16, 2003, 09:29:39 PM
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Originally posted by: AGENTDICKLAURENTAnyway. Grey Ninja, I think you should look into getting it from dvdboxoffice. They're pretty good.


Thanks once again, but I think I have harrassed the local Toys R' Us enough that they are making a special effort to get the game.  I went down there in person today to raise some hell, and they said that they would be getting it by the end of the month.  I will of course be phoning them every day until they get it.    I would like to avoid buying online if at all possible.  (Besides, most online sites I know are already backordered).
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Post by: AGENTDICKLAURENT on February 16, 2003, 11:22:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
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Originally posted by: AGENTDICKLAURENTAnyway. Grey Ninja, I think you should look into getting it from dvdboxoffice. They're pretty good.


Thanks once again, but I think I have harrassed the local Toys R' Us enough that they are making a special effort to get the game.  I went down there in person today to raise some hell, and they said that they would be getting it by the end of the month.  I will of course be phoning them every day until they get it.  


Haha. Awesome!
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Post by: Mephistopheles on February 17, 2003, 07:54:36 PM
Anyone consider it might be a game we already know about?
Cuz seriously, I wanna hear about some Xbox Sega games migrating to the Cube, or Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution on Gamecube... but maybe that's just me.
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Post by: Hemmorrhoid on February 18, 2003, 01:08:32 AM
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Originally posted by: AGENTDICKLAURENT
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4weeks? The longest I waited was 3 weeks and thats to get a game to Germany, where do you guys live?? Afghanistan, Iraq, Siberia????


Don't look down on those places man.. Germany is the new #1 enemy of the US.



How can you call Germany  #1 enemy of the US? I assume that means Germany is a bigger threat than Iraq or North Korea because they have a different opinion? What about China, Russia or France? THose nr 1 enemies too?
I myself am not very happy about the radical position of the german government but that doesnt mean they arent against Saddam or his evil regime.

Anyway, I just hope you didnt mean it that way so ill get back on topic.

WHy do we actually take this Sega announcement for fact, as far as i recall this evolved on the IGN boards which certainly doesnt make it a fact.
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Post by: Sean on February 18, 2003, 06:33:51 AM
As for Virtua Fighter 4 on GCN, I can't imagine it.  I mean, I LOVE THE GCN CONTROLLER, but I don't even want to play Street Fighter with it much less the unbelievably complex VF4.  I mean, some of those moves, if you ask me, are almost literally impossible to pull off on the much bigger and loser PS2 control pad (I've lost fingers--nuff said).  The only way I would get that game, my favorite fighting game just behind Steet Fighter Alpha 2, is if Sega released a joystick or if I had that sweet new Hori Soul Calibur stick.  To me it really boils down to that.  I just really think that it's with games like this that the GCN controller shows one of its few real handicaps.
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Post by: Mephistopheles on February 18, 2003, 08:46:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Sean
As for Virtua Fighter 4 on GCN, I can't imagine it.  I mean, I LOVE THE GCN CONTROLLER, but I don't even want to play Street Fighter with it much less the unbelievably complex VF4.  I mean, some of those moves, if you ask me, are almost literally impossible to pull off on the much bigger and loser PS2 control pad (I've lost fingers--nuff said).  The only way I would get that game, my favorite fighting game just behind Steet Fighter Alpha 2, is if Sega released a joystick or if I had that sweet new Hori Soul Calibur stick.  To me it really boils down to that.  I just really think that it's with games like this that the GCN controller shows one of its few real handicaps.



I don't agree... the Gamecube button layout itself, with the guided layout (unlike the uniform are rarely distinguishable PS2 botton scheme, which I can only distinguish between because my X button is the most worn) provides a major plus for fighters... the problem comes with the control pad... but why should you have to use the pad?  Seriously, I would love to try and play Virtua Fighter 4 with a stick... it would be far more reminiscent of using an arcade stick instead of getting a blistered thumb trying to achieve the same thing on a pad.  Seriously, the only handicap is 2D fighters, and those have gone the way of the dodo.  If you've ever played the original Soul Calibur with the Dreamcast controller (and it's lame and uncomfortable pad), you understand that using the analog stick for 3D fighters is just a good idea.
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Post by: Christberg on February 18, 2003, 10:18:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Mephistopheles
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Originally posted by: Sean
As for Virtua Fighter 4 on GCN, I can't imagine it.  I mean, I LOVE THE GCN CONTROLLER, but I don't even want to play Street Fighter with it much less the unbelievably complex VF4.  I mean, some of those moves, if you ask me, are almost literally impossible to pull off on the much bigger and loser PS2 control pad (I've lost fingers--nuff said).  The only way I would get that game, my favorite fighting game just behind Steet Fighter Alpha 2, is if Sega released a joystick or if I had that sweet new Hori Soul Calibur stick.  To me it really boils down to that.  I just really think that it's with games like this that the GCN controller shows one of its few real handicaps.



I don't agree... the Gamecube button layout itself, with the guided layout (unlike the uniform are rarely distinguishable PS2 botton scheme, which I can only distinguish between because my X button is the most worn) provides a major plus for fighters... the problem comes with the control pad... but why should you have to use the pad?  Seriously, I would love to try and play Virtua Fighter 4 with a stick... it would be far more reminiscent of using an arcade stick instead of getting a blistered thumb trying to achieve the same thing on a pad.  Seriously, the only handicap is 2D fighters, and those have gone the way of the dodo.  If you've ever played the original Soul Calibur with the Dreamcast controller (and it's lame and uncomfortable pad), you understand that using the analog stick for 3D fighters is just a good idea.



The problem with the GC pad is that Virtua Fighter uses EVERY button combination which comes to 8 buttons if you were to separate them.  The GC pad is really poorly designed for the way the game is laid out.  Then again, playing it on a PS2 pad doesn't even come close to approximating an arcade stick anyway.  The GC pad would definitely NOT work with the game though.

That said, if a fighter were designed with the GC pad in mind from the beginning there wouldn't be any issues with it's layout.
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Post by: Sean on February 18, 2003, 10:31:35 AM
My main problem, as I said, was the control pad itself--NOT THE BUTTON LAYOUT, per se.  The control pad is EXACTLY the same size as the GBA's.  NO ONE ON EARTH wants to play, exclusively, a game like VF4 on a GBA.  Once you dig really deep into VF4, the finest control nuance is utterly essential, and I PERSONALLY would hate to play it on a pad that small.  The PS2's regular pad is hard enough for the really complicated stuff.  (The PS2 has it's own problems, too, that almost no one mentions, which is the horror of not having diagonal connections on the pad.  Am I the only one on earth who hates this????)

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...you understand that using the analog stick for 3D fighters is just a good idea.


And Mephisto, you've GOT to be kidding me.  Using the analog for ANY fighting game is utterly ridiculous to me.  I for one will never use anything other than a digital pad for a fighting game, at least until some grand revolution happens that makes it actually work.  For me, and many others, I think, it doesn't.  Doesn't even come close to the beauty of a great d-pad.
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Post by: Christberg on February 18, 2003, 10:38:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Sean
My main problem, as I said, was the control pad itself--NOT THE BUTTON LAYOUT, per se.  The control pad is EXACTLY the same size as the GBA's.  NO ONE ON EARTH wants to play, exclusively, a game like VF4 on a GBA.  Once you dig really deep into VF4, the finest control nuance is utterly essential, and I PERSONALLY would hate to play it on a pad that small.  The PS2's regular pad is hard enough for the really complicated stuff.  (The PS2 has it's own problems, too, that almost no one mentions, which is the horror of not having diagonal connections on the pad.  Am I the only one on earth who hates this????)


I hear you on that one.  I hate every next gen console's d-pad for various reasons.

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Post by: Sean on February 18, 2003, 10:43:18 AM
I have to wonder, why is it so hard to design a good d-pad?  Even making the d-pad a bit bigger on the GCN controller would've been cake.  I guess I realize that the traditional d-pad is becoming "passe" with the death of 2-D, but it still works so well in many newer games.  Even the PS2 has the d-pad in the prime position on the controller.  And, as for using analog in 3-D fighting games--have we forgotten that, by and large, the so-called 3-D fighting games are still just 2-D games with purty graphics?  I will admit that even though a d-pad could be so bad that an analog would be preferable, I still haven't found an instance of this.  The d-pad on the DC worked much, much better, for me, than did the analog in games like Soul Calibur.  I'll leave this alone now...haha...  
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Post by: Ian Sane on February 18, 2003, 11:08:14 AM
"I guess I realize that the traditional d-pad is becoming 'passe' with the death of 2-D, but it still works so well in many newer games. Even the PS2 has the d-pad in the prime position on the controller."

Well the PS2 also has only two controller ports so in terms of hardware it's not a good indication of what the future of videogames holds.  The control stick SHOULD be in the prime position.  Sony just seems to have a fear of changing their original controller design from 1995 (which was considered pretty poor even then).

I think the whole fighting game controller issue wouldn't exist if Sony wasn't the market leader.  Nintendo and Microsoft both made the control stick the main focus of their controllers and they both push analog support.  3D games with D-pad controls are ridiculously out-of-date and it makes no sense to make them.  If Gamecube or Xbox was the top system most games would be designed with that console in mind and therefore most games would be designed with the control stick in mind.  Today's controllers shouldn't be designed for fighting games, fighting games should be designed for today's controllers.  Analog is the future and every 3D fighting game should have analog controls.  If Sony wasn't living in the past and encouraging developers to stick with an out-of-date standard all 3D fighting games would have analog controls.  If Sony loses the top spot or the PS3 controller is control stick centric and guarentee this issue will die.

Though I'll admit that Nintendo is a little TOO anti-d-pad.  The Gamecube d-pad could easily have been done a lot better and seems to have been intentially made to be uncomfortable in order to persuade developers to use the control stick.  That's taking things a little too far as making the controller control stick centric in the first place is sufficient.
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on February 18, 2003, 11:08:37 AM
This is why we need a local release of that 3rd party controller, the one that was designed with the GBA player/2D GC games in mind. The D-Pad looked pretty much the same as the ol' SNES one (Which I consider heaven on earth)

Virtua Fighter 4 wouldn't be very pleasent via the GameCube's controller, like Sean mentioned, nobody in their right mind would want to play VF on a GBA, therefore, playing it on GC would result in the same experience. Nervous twitches, blood leaking out of their hands from that "thing" of a D-Pad... And .. So on. =P
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Post by: Sean on February 18, 2003, 11:30:33 AM
Hey Ian, I wonder how much money Nintendo saved just by using the GBA template for the GCN d-pad...haha...  That probably gets right to the heart of the mystery...but your comment on it being made in such a way to "help" dev's use the analog was well noted.  

And Monkey, you're right.  I had a dream the other night I was playing Street Fighter Alpha on my GBA and let's just say it ended badly with a pool of urine, not a few tears, and fingernail-less hands.  The GBA was laughing about it, too.  So was Yamauchi.

Gunpei Yokoi was not pleased.  
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Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2003, 11:48:07 AM
this must be the SEGATON anouncement
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: ink on February 18, 2003, 11:52:42 AM
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Originally posted by: Sean
My main problem, as I said, was the control pad itself--NOT THE BUTTON LAYOUT, per se.  The control pad is EXACTLY the same size as the GBA's.  NO ONE ON EARTH wants to play, exclusively, a game like VF4 on a GBA.  Once you dig really deep into VF4, the finest control nuance is utterly essential, and I PERSONALLY would hate to play it on a pad that small.  The PS2's regular pad is hard enough for the really complicated stuff.  (The PS2 has it's own problems, too, that almost no one mentions, which is the horror of not having diagonal connections on the pad.  Am I the only one on earth who hates this????)


Check out the Nyko Airflo GC controller.  The dpad is MUCH better than Nintendo's and the analogue stick is pretty good as well.  My only complaint is that the L/R shoulder buttons are a bit stiffer than the original's.
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Post by: Sean on February 18, 2003, 12:01:27 PM
Thanks, Ink.

Hey Perm, SEGATON?  HAHAHAHA!  That's great.  Actually, I think it's funny that this thread is so popular and has led in so many directions, yet no one actually knows what the announcement involves, nor, I suppose, even if the announcement is actually going to happen!  Ahhh...good times.
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Post by: Christberg on February 18, 2003, 12:03:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"I guess I realize that the traditional d-pad is becoming 'passe' with the death of 2-D, but it still works so well in many newer games. Even the PS2 has the d-pad in the prime position on the controller."

Well the PS2 also has only two controller ports so in terms of hardware it's not a good indication of what the future of videogames holds.  The control stick SHOULD be in the prime position.  Sony just seems to have a fear of changing their original controller design from 1995 (which was considered pretty poor even then).

I think the whole fighting game controller issue wouldn't exist if Sony wasn't the market leader.  Nintendo and Microsoft both made the control stick the main focus of their controllers and they both push analog support.  3D games with D-pad controls are ridiculously out-of-date and it makes no sense to make them.  If Gamecube or Xbox was the top system most games would be designed with that console in mind and therefore most games would be designed with the control stick in mind.  Today's controllers shouldn't be designed for fighting games, fighting games should be designed for today's controllers.  Analog is the future and every 3D fighting game should have analog controls.  If Sony wasn't living in the past and encouraging developers to stick with an out-of-date standard all 3D fighting games would have analog controls.  If Sony loses the top spot or the PS3 controller is control stick centric and guarentee this issue will die.

Though I'll admit that Nintendo is a little TOO anti-d-pad.  The Gamecube d-pad could easily have been done a lot better and seems to have been intentially made to be uncomfortable in order to persuade developers to use the control stick.  That's taking things a little too far as making the controller control stick centric in the first place is sufficient.



Don't even get me started on the 2 controller ports bit with the PS2.  That's so painfully stupid I can't even begin to describe it.  Let's just say it's one of the main things that kept me from buying one, for ages.  That and all the useless crap on it.  If it weren't for the fact that it is the industry standard I'd never have bought one.  I really dislike the hardware.  Half outdated crap and half junk you'll never use/is totally worthless.  When was the last time YOU used that firewire port anyway?  Do those lightguns REALLY need to be USB and did the controller ports themselves REALLY need to be that big?  No.

Back to the D-pad bit though- hopefully Sony really does fix their next controller (although somehow I doubt it) and release it with some actual analog triggers and the analog stick in a prime position.  Hopefully they'll make the actual ports themselves smaller, too.

Hopefully Nintendo upsized their Dpad on their next system, maybe adds clicks to the analog sticks... and doesn't change too much else about it.
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2003, 03:39:53 PM
Thanks sean....i though sega...big announcment...SEGATON!

also think mario sunshine in a red and white department store Tar Get!
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Post by: BestGamerPeriod on February 18, 2003, 03:48:17 PM
Now thats one big anouncement alright. I will just pray that its something like virtua fighter or a big new franchise or something like that. That would really turn on the heat for games. I'm prefaring something like a new sonic game for the least but i would really like to see virtua fighter because its a game that i've always liked but cant play because i dont have a ps2!!!!!
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Post by: pimpcube on February 18, 2003, 07:01:21 PM
a few games that i would definitely waste my money as well as many hours of my life on are:
NiGHTS
Streets of Rage 4
Phantasy Star 5
Shining Force
SoA 2
Shenmue III

also, i have SoA on dreamcast. does legends have anything special that merits a purchase?

:hat
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Post by: Mephistopheles on February 18, 2003, 07:46:19 PM
Well, discussion of CONTROLS aside (which is kinda funny, when you consider the fact that most of the arguments laid forth don't even apply to me) Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution would be a good game to put on Gamecube, for the same reason that Skies of Arcadia Legends is so high in demand for the system... lack of palattable titles of that given genre.  Seriously, until Soul Calibur 2, VF4E would have NO competition due to the fighting genre's weak showing for Gamecube... and if VF4E were put online for the Cube, that'd make it unrivalled even AFTER Soul Calibur 2 comes out... and it's not like they can't, Sega-AM2 already has online servers set up for VF4E, VF.net

So... I mean, seriously, with VF: Quest coming, I could see it hitting Gamecube, for sure...
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Post by: Kai on February 18, 2003, 07:54:45 PM
Ok stop it with the talk of Shenmue III on the GameCube, my heart can't stand it

To the person who asked, I'm from Australia, and four weeks is how long it took for Animal Crossing to get here from DVDBoxOffice, the other two games I ordered there still haven't arrived! But hey no shipping $$$'s...  
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Post by: Perfect Cell on February 18, 2003, 08:00:37 PM
From what i understand VF 4 Evolution is Sony exclusive though someone on the Xbox boards said Sega would announce it alongside a ton of new titles for the Xbox at E3.

We dont nececarily need VF4, Fighting Vipers is more fitting for the gamecube audience IMO its less of a serious fighter, but still plenty good
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Post by: ThePerm on February 18, 2003, 08:11:13 PM
vf4 hardcore porn isnt exclujsive though.......
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: nolimit19 on February 18, 2003, 08:27:39 PM
i dont even bother with these topics anymore megaton only achieved one thing in my life......i got megaton pissed off.
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Post by: Mephistopheles on February 19, 2003, 10:36:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Perfect Cell
From what i understand VF 4 Evolution is Sony exclusive though someone on the Xbox boards said Sega would announce it alongside a ton of new titles for the Xbox at E3.

We dont nececarily need VF4, Fighting Vipers is more fitting for the gamecube audience IMO its less of a serious fighter, but still plenty good



Ummm... more fitting?  Can you explain how?  It's still people beating the crap out of each other, just like Virtua Fighter.  Besides, the Fighting Vipers franchise died a horrible death when the sequel was released to literally NO fanfare, so I REALLY doubt that it'll be revived again.
And seriously, if we're getting an action-RPG based in the Virtua Fighter universe, how is that fitting for Gamecube but the fighter it's based on not?  Your logic falters on this point... because the more serious themes you implied Virtua Fighter has would be present in Virtua Fighter Quest, as well, but placed in a different genre.

And it's getting to the point where "target audience" isn't going to matter to Sega... when they see the overwhelming demand for Skies of Arcadia Legends (as has been said, many online retailers are on back order), they will understand that their games "inexplicably" sell better on Gamecube... hell, we made SUPER MONKEY BALL a marketable franchise, that has to say something...
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: ThePerm on February 19, 2003, 02:59:37 PM
yeah, dont you notice that it seems sega seems to be snubbing gamecube yet making more money off of gamecube then any other system(well maybe not sports wise). It seems as though the people who make the games are vey supportive of Gamecube while the execs are not. I wish the company was ran by the developers because it seems their the ones making money for sega.
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Post by: Mario on February 19, 2003, 07:35:25 PM
Just got a tip that the announcement is coming on Friday...
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: SilverBack1138 on February 19, 2003, 07:48:56 PM
Hey guys, I remember a few weeks back when they had a rumor Rant by Louie the Cat about 3 GCN online games that are in the works.  From what I remember, the rant said that 2 were by Nintendo R&D and the third was going to be developed by Sega.  I'm guessing that there is a possibility that this is what they might announce.  

I love Skies of Arcadia Legends!!!  It's such an awesome game and I would definitely welcome a sequel for the GCN.  The PGC staff should send our ideas to Sega.
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Post by: Mingesium on February 19, 2003, 08:43:11 PM
I hope that is not the announcement. The LAN game PGC was talking about is mostly likely the PSO Card Game. They had a demo at E3 showing the LAN using the LCD screens. Interesting that the AOU 2003 is friday and their showing off F Zero AC. Maybe another triforce game?
Title: Incoming SEGA GCN announcement!
Post by: Perfect Cell on February 21, 2003, 05:46:35 PM
Well Sega just announced a new Tri Force game, its another card game similar to Magic the Gathering, doubt it ever comes out in USA