Post by: hudsonhawk on January 20, 2005, 07:07:10 AM
Linky: http://www.gamegossip.com/comment.php?id=11636
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 20, 2005, 07:10:04 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on January 20, 2005, 08:02:34 AM
I think the fact that any descriptions of the game's gameplay have been vague at best suggests that. If the game was great then surely they would have told us more about how it actually plays. It makes no sense for them to be hiding important details about the game like they have.
Post by: vudu on January 20, 2005, 08:06:15 AM
Post by: matt oz on January 20, 2005, 09:17:12 AM
This was the only game out of the "Capcom 5" (which is now the Capcom 2? being that only 2 remained exclusive...) that I was ever looking forward to. I really hope it doesn't suck, but with the way things are going, it just seems like the game will be a crappy premise with a great art style, like P.N. 03.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 20, 2005, 09:53:16 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on January 20, 2005, 10:05:06 AM
Post by: Famicom on January 20, 2005, 10:07:51 AM
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Originally posted by: matt oz
I figured the February release wasn't going to happen, being that it's less than one month away.
This was the only game out of the "Capcom 5" (which is now the Capcom 2? being that only 2 remained exclusive...) that I was ever looking forward to.
No, even Killer 7 is to be on PS2 after limited exclusivity. That announcement came long before the RE4 one. Go Go Capcom 1!
Post by: vudu on January 20, 2005, 10:25:57 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 20, 2005, 10:28:19 AM
I intend to get this unless it turns out to be bad. However, I'm glad it got pushed back: I'm already planning on buying the Minish Cap, Star Fox Assault, Resident Evil 4, and probably a few other games in the next month or two. It's good to have the money loss spread out a bit.
Post by: odifiend on January 20, 2005, 10:29:38 AM
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Originally posted by: MaleficentOgre
its not a rail shooter. from what I've seen its a third/first person shooter. and its sounds kind of meh.
It is a rail shooter with FPS influence. In the movies you have to choose which way (like a fork) you're going and it has been said that you don't seem to have complete control of the character.
Not out yet but I'm setting myself up for dissappointment. When I first heard about the parapalegic assasin I was practically sh!tting myself with excitement because it just sounded so cool, and now it looks like I might pass on this game entirely.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on January 20, 2005, 10:32:22 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2005, 01:54:06 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 21, 2005, 04:00:19 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 21, 2005, 10:59:01 PM
Having the lock-on button mapped to a trigger was nice for Zelda/Metroid familiarity.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 22, 2005, 06:08:41 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 22, 2005, 06:54:01 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on February 22, 2005, 09:27:16 PM
For one it sounds to me to be a lot like Eternal Darkness in the since that atmosphere and mood play a larger part of the game than most.
Another reason Killer 7 seems so cool to me is that it has one of those messed up stories that will make you go WTF!?..Oh,yeah. Kind of like Fight Club, Donnie Darko, The Usual Suspects, etc. At Least I hope so, It better not turn out to be one of those messed up stories that will make me go WTF!?...seriously WTF!?!?!? like Dreamcatcher.
*EDIT* grammar and added something.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 22, 2005, 09:40:38 PM
... or like MGS2.
I've read that alleged Nintendo Power info thing and it seems either they're massively overhyping it or this is one really, REALLY unique game.
Post by: anubis6789 on February 22, 2005, 10:28:39 PM
I found the piece in Nintendo Power informative and while they may be trying to hype it up I do believe that it will at least be a good fun game.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 23, 2005, 05:08:50 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 24, 2005, 07:21:21 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2005, 10:23:05 AM
Whoa-ho. Talk about WHAT
Post by: vudu on February 25, 2005, 10:59:15 AM
QuoteThat sounds ... interesting. I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around how well that will work. It seems simple enough in theory.
We weren’t surprised to hear that the game features a unique control scheme that we're pretty sure no one really expected. You'll use the GameCube controller's buttons for movement. A will move you forward and B will change your direction 180 degrees. Combat is initiated by holding the right trigger and using the analog stick to aim. The A button will then let you attack and the B button will let you quickly lock onto one of your foes.
QuoteUm ... what?
While we all know the killer seven that are referenced by the game's title, the demo showed off at least one other persona in Harman's head: a young woman named Samantha. In one of the many twists the game throws at you, Sam comes across as your basic caregiver when you interact with her as Harman. However, when Harman is comatose (which appears to happen when his mind has shapeshifted into one of the others) Samantha turns into a freaky dominatrix type who does some pretty naughty things to him while he's out.
Quote... Moving right along ...
The styles we saw ran the gamut from traditional anime-inspired cutscenes to in-engine cinemas that took a more traditional approach to telling a story. (Well, as "traditional" as showing one of Harman’s female personalities getting off on his comatose body gets, anyway.)
QuoteThere's still no word on how exactly you scan enemies? Is it like in Metroid Prime?
We saw several different types of enemies which had to be scanned to uncover information on how to kill them
Killer 7 certainly has my attention. I'm looking forward to finally knowing more about this game.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 25, 2005, 12:26:11 PM
We are about to experience an event so radical that it may well change the very way people think about video games. Decades from now, when critics like us and players like you sit around the table and talk about our hobby, we are going to do so with a new frame of reference: Before Killer 7 and After Killer 7. And the reason for this is very simple: Playing Killer 7 is unlike anything you have ever done before.
That isn't a statement that we make lightly, and we're not tossing it out there just to get your attention. Killer 7 is groundreaking and revolutionary in almost every way. It will frustrate you. It will intrigue you. It will challenge your very notions of what a game can do, and even what it should do. It is, in essense, the very first video game art film, and it attempts things that no one else has every dared. Does it succeed? Perhaps, in the end, that will be for history to decide."
Nintendo Power managed to be the first to unveil exactly what this game is about (it's also their cover for the issue), so here are some juicy details:
-The Smith Syndicate/Smith Alliance/Killer 7 are seven personalities of one Harman Smith. Garcian, Dan, Kaede (the woman with the bloodied shirt), Keven, Coyote, Con, and Mask de Smith. Each has their own weapon and ability, and you can switch between them on the fly. You can also level up all of them (excluding Garcian) in four different skills by collecting the blood of enemies and taking it to the Blood Room.
-So is it a rail-shooter/light-gun game or what? Well, yes and no. Gameplay consists of running around locations, shooting monsters, solving puzzles. Movement seems to only use the A button; press it to make the character run. The game is essentially on-rails, with some forks in the road (where you can choose which path to take). When an enemy approaches, you switch to a FPS perspective and bring out your weapon with the R button. Pressing B will let you lock on, while A fires. One of the Killer 7, Garcian Smith, can resurrect the other personalities, but if Garcian dies, it's game over buddy. The puzzles sound very unique, like listening to audio clues from a tape recorder, or shoving a tanker truck to reveal a disembodied head with a ring inside.
-However, what's most compelling about the game is the story and mood, they say. Killer 7 "tackles some extremely disturbing subject matter," "this is not a game for children...In fact, it's probably not a game for some adults. It's extremely violent, often profane, and deals with such topics as sex, cults, kidnapping, political assassinations, black-market organ sales and full-scale war." Also some "very bold political statements".
-"The year is 2010. In 1998, the major powers of the world signed a peace treaty that elminated the specter of a large-scale war--leaving terrorism as the remaining threat to world peace. In an effort to stop terrorism before it could start, air transportation was eliminated and massive freeways were constructed to connect the eastern and western sides of the world. All was going well until a terrorist group known as Heaven's Smile bombed a high-level UN meeting in 2003 and quickly gripped the world community with fear. In an effort to combat the faction, the US government turned to the Smith Syndicate. Its job is to find Heavent's Smile, eliminate the group and restore peace and order to the world. But all is not as simple as it seems on the surface..."
-As for the Heaven's Smile, they're basically invisible (with a faint shimmer). The only way to make them appear is by going into FPS mode with the L button, so you'll have to rely on sound to know when danger's around. When you come within range of an enemy, it lets loose with a high-pitched cackle.
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 25, 2005, 12:34:36 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on February 25, 2005, 12:45:42 PM
That has got to be the most pretentious thing I have ever heard. Who the hell said THAT?
Killer 7 is sounding like it will turn out like many other games that have tried to be arty. The gameplay will be uninteresting and shallow and will take a backseat to the storyline and atmosphere. As a result it will fail as a game and accomplish nothing. This is what always happens because for some reason people who want to make game art classify it the same as literature, theatre, film or television. Those are narrative by nature, gaming is not. Like music, gaming CAN tell a story but it does not have to nor does it succeed as a game just because of it. A great story told though a poor melody is still a bad song just as a great story told though poor gameplay is a bad game. Game art is Super Mario Bros. It introduced gameplay that influenced virtually all games that followed it and truly changed the industry in a way where "pre-SMB" and "post-SMB" could be used to describe the industry. A true game artist is driven by gameplay.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 25, 2005, 12:48:37 PM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Well, I wasn't sure before but Samantha sold me on this game.
I think I saw Samantha "doing what they say she does" in a trailer that came out a couple months ago. Consider me sold since then.
Post by: Djunknown on February 25, 2005, 03:45:04 PM
Gamerfeed has some info too
I'm still intrigued about Killer 7 just because its going to be one of those oddball titles, regardless of quality. Also, it could make Suda 51 (the creative force behind Killer 7) a household name stateside, It seems he has some acclaim in Japan.
Hopefully we'll see some sort of playable demo in the near future, let the people decide if they're ready for whatever Suda has in his head.
Post by: Dasmos on February 25, 2005, 05:43:42 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 25, 2005, 06:51:34 PM
seriously, frickin cutting yourself and spraying it all over the place as a weapon. HELL YEAH!! I was sold on this game at that point
and now that I actually know how the game plays I'm even more excited. It looks like something that'll be easy to grasp, hard to master, and a buttload of fun. And thick atmosphere is what I live for in action/adventure games. capcom better not dissapoint.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 25, 2005, 07:43:43 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 26, 2005, 03:48:23 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 26, 2005, 11:14:19 PM
More, please.
Post by: Robotor on February 27, 2005, 07:42:38 AM
Post by: PaLaDiN on February 27, 2005, 07:56:29 AM
The morbid curiosity is killing me. Which trailer are you talking about? They actually released this in a trailer? I have got to see this.
I feel so dirty for asking.
That interview is discouraging though. Why couldn't they work on the gameplay a bit more? Why does it have to be sacrificed for the story? What were all those delays for if the gameplay is still simple? Am I just going to be watching an interactive movie?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 27, 2005, 11:27:04 AM
Download the TGS2004 trailer. I assume it's Samantha (short, orange hair) who's in the schoolgirl outfit, making happy noises.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on February 27, 2005, 03:33:37 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 01, 2005, 05:16:49 AM
I read the IGN preview this morning and when the Capcom guys were talking I felt like I was watching a bunch of pretentious artgoers discussing how amazing and ingenious this new exhibit is while standing around a statue made of Kraft cheese slices depicting two dogs having relations with a woman. They are selling the game on spectacle, and that leaves me wondering if it will have any other redeeming qualities.
I can still appreciate the game's other artistic qualities, but the level of interaction is the feature that sets videogames apart from other artistic mediums. If the gameplay in Killer 7 stinks (which I admit may not be the case) then it might as well be a cartoon or a comic book.
Post by: Djunknown on March 04, 2005, 08:13:55 PM
A snippet for the lazy-at-heart:
"Game Informer: Killer 7 was announced quite some time ago, but we haven’t really seen much of it lately. What’s been happening behind the scenes in that time?
Hiroyuki Kobayashi: When we showed the game last year at E3, we really didn’t have anything nailed down in regards to the game. We just had some very loosely connected ideas and a general idea of what we wanted to do. Compared to that time, what we have to show you today is an actual game."
Post by: vudu on March 05, 2005, 05:15:03 AM
One part I found rather funny:
QuoteIt reminded me of this line from the GameSpy preview I read a couple weeks back.
GI: Could you give us an example of puzzle that we may find in the game?
HK: Well, you may have a puzzle where you have a bunch of candles and you need to figure out in what order you need to light them and maybe even how are you going to find something to light them with. That’s just one sort of crude example. If you can manage to light the candles, then maybe you’ll be able to acquire an item that you’ll use later on in the game?
QuoteHopefully the candles were just numbered in the preview build so Capcome could get GameSpy in and out as quickly as possible.
Unfortunately, [the puzzles are very easy], and this lack of challenge may be the game's biggest downfall. In [one puzzle], we had to light a group of candles in a particular order, and they were actually numbered. C'mon guys, do you really think we're that stupid?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 01, 2005, 12:24:59 PM
Some new trailers plus a freaky anime-lookin "Gunslinger girl" named "Ayame Blackburn" (I say that, not BABELFISHMAN).
http://www.capcom.co.jp/killer7/main/menu.html
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AHAHAAHAHAAHA i just watched her vid. MAGICKALU GIRLU TRANSFOOOOORMU!!!1!!1
I have NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON, BUT SHE'S GOT A GLITTERY BUBBLY BACKGROUND. I must pre-order this game now.
http://www.capcom.com/xpml/game.xpml?gameid=750080
Capcom USA's had pre-orders for this game open for almost a month now. Free T-shirto-GET! Free shipping on orders over $40.00! Free upgrade to 2-day shipping on pre-orders! SAMANTHA-GET!
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I just saw the "january" trailer that was under Ayame's, and apparently i haven't seen it before. Shows more shooting/traversal gameplay we're used to seeing, and Kaede's still hot with a new purple one-piece dress whose skirt i still can't see up, she might even have context-sensitve last-split-second-you-got-close-to-me-so-prepare-for-some-swift-ass-kicking like Leon in Resi4. Mask de Smith, well, changed costumes using the particle-breakup transformation animation, thing.
Post by: Nosferat2 on April 02, 2005, 07:13:33 AM
BTW on the same day i saw tthe Giest demo too. Suffice it to say that i preordered Giest on the same day as well. Game looks like its going to be a blast.
Also since i was at it I went on and preordered Zelda and Nintendos Pennet(SP) Chase Baseball.
So Gamestop has over $200 dollars of my money and i wont see a game until June. Damn Nintendo keeps pushing stuff back.
Oh well, those games should be worth the wait.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 03, 2005, 03:06:45 PM
"M (Mature): Violence, Blood and Gore, Partial Nudity"
Partial nudity w0t?!
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
YES
Post by: Hostile Creation on April 05, 2005, 07:53:08 AM
YES! Ghost porn!
Post by: Famicom on May 10, 2005, 10:55:21 AM
"We're not suggesting that Killer 7 is not fun because that's not true. It's just a different kind of fun -- one that's bound to excite some players and royally piss off others. For the record, we fall in the first group.
"Gamers expecting a fast-paced, action-packed adventure romp are going to be disappointed with what Killer 7 offers. We don't see any way around that. This is not Doom. And it's not Resident Evil, either. Rather, it reminds us much more of some classic adventure games like Stalker or Myst. Players who can accept that truth will likely find themselves very pleased with what the game brings to the table."
You can read more juicy bits here.
I'm still buying this game.
Post by: Hostile Creation on May 10, 2005, 01:34:24 PM
And yeah, I love the style of the site, music especially.
Edit: Just read it and it sounds awesome. The more disturbing, psychological, and weird, the better, I say. I'm really into the whole disturbing storyline thing. They suit me.
Post by: joshnickerson on May 10, 2005, 02:53:56 PM
I'm just wondering how the Cube/PS2 sales will stack up...
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 10, 2005, 02:58:37 PM
Post by: TMW on May 11, 2005, 02:00:57 PM
That...sounds intriguing.
It would made dealing with Sirrus and Achenar a helluva lot easier.
Post by: PaLaDiN on May 11, 2005, 02:56:15 PM
Post by: rpglover on June 01, 2005, 09:36:09 AM
also on a seperate note, they also said famitsu reviewed the game and gave it a 36/40
Post by: MaleficentOgre on June 01, 2005, 03:21:35 PM
Post by: jasonditz on June 01, 2005, 03:57:40 PM
I dunno, I might buy it in another year and a half if I see it on the shelf for $10 when they're clearing out all the GC titles to make room for Rev titles.
Post by: vudu on June 02, 2005, 08:53:20 AM
Also, it's been pushed back--it's now being released on July 7 for both GC and PS2.
Post by: Djunknown on June 03, 2005, 12:39:27 PM
I can imagine they're doing this to strenously bug-check and/or produce more copies. But since they've haven't really promoted this title until recently, what do they expect?
Now that the press and the people have a grasp on what this is, I should give it a whirl. If nothing else, this could make Suda the Stanley Kubrick of video games.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on June 04, 2005, 05:00:06 AM
Post by: vudu on June 20, 2005, 09:41:20 AM
EDIT: PGC, I'm looking in your general direction.
Post by: IceCold on June 20, 2005, 12:22:14 PM
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Post by: vudu on June 28, 2005, 09:05:51 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 29, 2005, 07:55:55 AM
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Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 29, 2005, 11:28:39 AM
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 04, 2005, 04:46:19 AM
GCN: 82.2%
PS2: 64.9%
That is a cosiderable difference.
Post by: Renny on July 04, 2005, 05:55:06 AM
Post by: IceCold on July 04, 2005, 11:26:45 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on July 04, 2005, 12:30:42 PM
The only reason Killer 7 on PS2 has a ranking in the 60's is because Gamepro trashed the PS2 version with a 1.5/5 and OPM gave it a 2.5/5.
Post by: KDR_11k on July 04, 2005, 11:58:59 PM
Post by: oohhboy on July 05, 2005, 02:02:49 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 06, 2005, 11:08:37 AM
Post by: xts3 on July 06, 2005, 11:42:15 PM
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Originally posted by: oohhboy
I rather wait to see what the guys at PGC have to say about this game if they will review it. They are really the only guys out there you can really trust with reviews.
No way, Mario sunshine was a lesser game then Mario 64 and the PGC guys gushed all over Mario SS, there is no way in hell the PGC guys are better then anyone out there, I trust a statistical collection of user reviews more then any one single persons review. Most people who lowscored Mario SS had great criticisms of where Nintendo went wrong, also Mario Kart DD and Starfox assault were pretty bad for major nintendo franchises.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 07, 2005, 03:26:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Let's see, I've received my copy of Killer7 today, came with another black Capcom t-shirt, the Tama Tama Mix music DVD, a new Capcom catalog, and..... A PS2 DEMO OF FLIPNIC ULTIMATE PINBALL WTF I DON'T HAVE A PS2 NEVER ORDERED A PS2 GAME FROM THEM EITHER WTF THIS IS PROBABLY CRAZIER THAN KILLER7 ITSELF.
They were trying to send you a message, "GET A PS2 OR WE WILL SEND YOU MORE DEMOS AND FLOOD YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Post by: PaLaDiN on July 07, 2005, 04:54:44 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on July 07, 2005, 07:06:56 AM
EVERYONE gushed all over Mario Sunshine so I wouldn't hold it against PGC. It's one of those games like Metal Gear Solid 2 that is universally recognized as overhyped in reviews.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 07, 2005, 07:22:51 AM
Killer 7 is the type of game that you need to try out before you buy. The reviews won't mean anything, the game is too out there, and as we've already seen the scores go from extreme ends of the spectrum, thus throwing any averaged statistics out of whack (besides, you shouldn't ever go by the game's actual score, you're better off not looking at nubers.)
Post by: KDR_11k on July 07, 2005, 08:14:03 AM
P666: I guess they just thought "it costs not even a dollar, let's take the chance".
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 07, 2005, 11:33:04 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
Subtitles. Does it have them?
Paladin: It's the same deal with Resident Evil 4 -- killer7 has no subtitles for the dialogue/narration in cutscenes, for characters speaking plain english (regardless of FMV or real-time). In-game clues/conversations, plus NPC's who speak gibberish, get subtitles. As you would've guess, the "documented" conversations help move the adventure-gaming forward, while the unsubtitled cutscenes move the wacko story along (or just a few-second clip to make you go.... *wHAt!?).
When I say "documented" I mean these conversations are accessible for review (character(s) literally repeat the "voiced" conversation) at venues you can consider to be save-points. Other written memos happen to be accessible at any time via your Start-button Menu.
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* I should add that killer7 (so far) does not have RE4's advantage of having action-packed gameplay that clearly outweighs the cutscenes. I'd describe it as an on-rails shooter embedded in an adventure-style game, with simple, menu-driven "junction" controls for traversal. With these controls in mind, you don't move your character around in-detail, searching for interesting objects by breaking pots or opening cabinets -- anything of interest to identify is pointed out to you during traversal via the junction system (the map includes hints as well; quite a few hints on Normal diff. on this first chapter I played... I hope they don't give away too much later on). Of course, just because things are easily identified doesn't mean the game solves puzzles for you.
Concerning combat, the object is to keep your enemies from making contact with you becuz they *want* to explode. No surrounded-by-villagers scenario so far, but even destroying a regular enemy's legs doesn't stop it from crawling to you. So, you're looking for weak spots and trying to be efficient when multiple enemies approach The game tells me to expect more unique/insane enemy designs later, therefore discovering weak spots becomes a small in-combat puzzle element. Defeating enemies and collecting their blood is the beginning of the character building system.
I am still enjoying the freaky (as in crazy and sometimes a little unsettling) atmosphere.
Post by: rpglover on July 07, 2005, 02:10:48 PM
i got it and played through a bit and i do have to say that i like the game a whole lot. its kinda odd at first that you hold a button to move, but since i got used to it, its not that bad. the shooting in the game is pretty neat too as you have to hit the weak points on enemies - it not only gives you more blood to use, but also kills them in one hit. and surprisingly the bosses in the game are actually pretty cool and fun to figure out how to kill them.
strange part about killer 7 for me is that i love the gameplay thus far. many reviews have stated that the atmosphere and story are the main attractions here, and although they are for the most part, the gameplay is decently fun. it might be because it is so different from anything else out there, but i am enjoying killer 7 just as much as any other good game out there.
but yeah for those out there still wondering if the game is worth a try, i'd say it definately is. its not as bad as some of those low scores make it out to be and from what i have played so far, the story is pretty cool and the gameplay is decent. - oh yeah, chosing hard mode at the begining eliminates a bunch of clues for some puzzles and makes combat harder as well
Post by: IceCold on July 07, 2005, 07:55:50 PM
RE: Killer 7 - This is DEFINITELY a rent-first game, unless you are really intrigued by it and don't care about the negatives. I just rented it, and so far I'm loving the presentation of it. It's just so...unique. So...wacko. I don't know; you really have to play it to get the feel of it. The gameplay is functional; the reviews really don't do it justice. This is another one of those debatable games that will be regarded differently by each person.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 07, 2005, 09:15:11 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 08, 2005, 03:24:13 AM
YOU TAKE SUCH GOOD CARE OF MY RIFLE
XD
Post by: jakeOSX on July 11, 2005, 07:07:37 AM
anyway, got the game (despite the confused looks of just about every store clerk, and a mistakenly purchased king arthur)
it is nifty. looks great. the controls are still taking a bit to get used to. the movement is a no-brainer, A to move, B to turn around, chose the path when you get to a fork.
for fighting you pull R and go into FPS type play (no movement though). Here is where the buttons get more active. R for combat. L for scanning (since the enemies are invisible) B to select enemies, the pad to move through them, and the analoge stick for free aim. Enemies have an 'insta-kill' place that if you shoot they go poof.
reloading is an animation, so you can't do anything. while realistic (sorta) did get me killed at least twice.
when you die as one of the personalities it leaves a bag, brown paper bag and a tape outline. one of the personalities is 'the cleaner' he is the one who picks up the 'dead' ones and brings them back to harmon. if he dies, you all die, which i didn't realize at first (i wanted to be the cleaner...)
so you got the cleaner, the revolver guy, sniper girl, two pistol kid, ninja star dude, thug and dude i didn't play yet.
the thing with blood basically being a power-up/XP device was confusing at first. i think i get it. basically you get blood based on how you kill the bady (like by making him bleed) and then you can use it for special abilities, or make serums which can increas abilities of personalities.
if you need a certain personality in a certain place the map tells you. this is rad.
there are weird helper guys who speak funny, a robot maid thing that you save your game with, the ghost of your first kill who follows you around and of course invisible bad guys who laugh like the joker. so far, so good.
Post by: vudu on July 11, 2005, 09:30:17 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 11, 2005, 01:19:17 PM
The "boss fights" (however long or short) I find to be neat, because they're puzzles designed for the "shooting" phase.
My biggest disappoint with the game so far is that the map, on Normal difficulty, gives away TOO MANY hints -- mainly obviously blatantly specifically pointing out where a persona's special ability should be used and WHO to use. Enough clues are given in-game to show you the way, more than Metroid Prime ever would. It's unbalanced; the enemy difficulty is fine as it is, but the map reveals too much for my liking.
Post by: G3cyco on July 11, 2005, 03:03:30 PM
doesnt show the bullets left in magizine
no marker on the map (just highlights the main room I'm in)
the repeative insta kill sayings (YOU'RE F*CKED)
other than that, I think the game is amazing
also, has anyone seen the white color cover? PGC posted a second cover.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 11, 2005, 03:09:32 PM
No, I haven't seen the white cover in-stores at all.
Post by: jakeOSX on July 12, 2005, 04:26:18 AM
it is very much like an adventure game where combat is FPS. or RE for that matter. the invisible enemies is slightly annoying (translation: i died a bit a last night)
and when you try to explain what is going on to someone who has just come into the room... well, it sounds weird.
"ok, that is the ghost of your first kill, and those guys don't exist, and that is sorta a kupo."
Post by: vudu on July 12, 2005, 09:04:20 AM
QuoteDoes that mean if you play on hard difficulty there aren't as many hints? If so, is hard difficulty available from the start, or do you have to unlock it?
My biggest disappoint with the game so far is that the map, on Normal difficulty, gives away TOO MANY hints
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 12, 2005, 10:10:25 AM
I think the combat is fine on "Normal," but I don't want so many hints. I hope it doesn't turn out that "Normal" is actually "easy" and "Hard" is actually "normal", since the selection is asked of you at the beginning of the game just like the Resident Evil Remake.
I'll give "Hard" a try today. If I can bear with it, then I'll restart my file since I don't think I'm far (only 3 chapters done). I don't want the map hints, but if they take away the hints delivered during characters' interesting monologue, then I'll be in trouble.
Post by: jakeOSX on July 13, 2005, 04:13:06 AM
didn't play last night though, stupid WoW...
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 14, 2005, 11:38:56 AM
First off, let me make it clear as to how incredibly awesome this game is. The style (graphically as well as with the dialogue and plot) is great, the controls are very easy to get used to and I'm starting to actually enjoy the combat quite a bit, and the cinematics are really, really nice. The revealing of the plot so far, as well as the bizarre cast of characters, has been very cool and satisfyingly disturbing. This is definitely my type of game.
I find myself using Dan Smith the most, but Con, Kaede, and Coyote are my next choices. I haven't used Kevin yet but want to, and I don't care for mask, since you don't reap any blood and he's too slow for my taste. Though he is a cool character.
I like how they just threw you into it at the beginning of the game. The plot, as well as the way it unfolds, has been cool.
There are too many hints, but I seldom use the map unless I need to, and I never shoot the mask (only did it once, out of curiosity).
First boss battle was interesting. I'm loving this game so far. I can see myself playing it over and over just to bask in the style and coolness of it all.
Post by: Talon on July 14, 2005, 07:10:04 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 14, 2005, 07:48:00 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 15, 2005, 07:17:13 AM
It's become another instant favorite of mine this gen based on my WTF (-.-)/ meter.
Hello, Mr. Smith <('.'^)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 18, 2005, 11:28:54 PM
WTF WAS THAT?!
What's with this wacko game?
Post by: vudu on July 19, 2005, 08:48:43 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 19, 2005, 02:06:16 PM
Because it's difficult to describe, it's not easy to recommend. RE4 was a smooth 3D action horror game, but clearly lacked the puzzles/adventuring of its predecessors. killer7, on the other end of the spectrum, is about puzzles/adventuring with its own unique presentation & flavor. If you can understand and follow the control scheme, and you're interested in the crazy reality this game offers, go for it.
Post by: rpglover on July 19, 2005, 02:12:59 PM
by the way - someone should start a thread on the storyline to this game - i'd like to hear what others think of it and what they think of the game after the ending (the ending is nuts)
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 19, 2005, 03:16:07 PM
non killer7-beaters, do not read!
The closer you come to the truth, old questions are answered, and new questions are asked. It's another case of The Bigger Picture VS. the Origin(s) of your character(s) (and how they're intertwined). WTF, Capcom? Trying your hand at Metal Gear Solid craziness?
The "first" ending that occurs at the end of "Smile" deals with your character(s) while the 1 of 2 endings at the end of the mini-chapter, "Lion", is mostly related to your original assignment/story, the extermination of Heaven Smiles and the power struggles being manipulated by Kun Lan. The whole chronology of the creation of the killer7 is wacko considering what you learn in "Encounter", and the original "Smith Syndicate" appears to be a separate precedent with its own mysteries -- THEY LEFT THINGS OUT ON PURPOSE GRAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR STOOPID CAPCOM!
Post by: rpglover on July 19, 2005, 04:39:18 PM
spoilers ahoy - read only if you've finished the game
I really like how the story unfolded as you got to the end especially - especially in smile - when you go back into the building in philadelphia and see each seperate killing of the 'killer 7' - i can honestly say that garcian / emir is one of the better characters to be written into a game in a long time
the story definately took some odd turns towards the end as well. the whole game i had a perception of what was going on but then BAM this crazy ending comes along and throws my ideas out the window. to me, it almost seemed like there are 3 seperate harman smiths - old harman playing chess, the harman you (garcian / emir) killed and placed into the safe, and the young harman you meet towards the end - not quite sure what to think of each of those characters. and what about kun lan???????????? is he iwazaru? and what about dan smith...wasn't he killed by curtis or did curtis only kill one of garcian's personalities? well capcom, you did it - you actually made a game that makes my WTF meter go crazier than after beating metal gear solid 2
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 28, 2005, 03:31:27 AM
Careful, Karl.
Post by: Hostile Creation on July 28, 2005, 10:20:39 AM
The Kevin Smith joke was really good, though.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on August 01, 2005, 06:44:13 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 01, 2005, 08:09:45 PM
Post by: Rhoq on August 16, 2005, 10:29:56 AM
Less than 2 weeks ago, I bought Killer 7 at the regualr price of $49.99 (US). Today, I went to GameStop during lunch to pre-order a few games (WWE: Day Of Reckoning 2, Nintendogs and Advance Wars: Dual Strike). I took a quick glance at the GameCube wall of games and saw 'Killer 7' new for $29.99!!!
When did the price drop?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 16, 2005, 02:24:10 PM
Post by: vudu on August 17, 2005, 10:36:42 AM
Post by: Rhoq on August 18, 2005, 02:15:43 AM
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Originally posted by: vudu
Rhoq - do you still have your receipt? If so, buy another copy (use cash) and then return it using the old receipt a couple days later. You shouldn't have any problems getting your $50 back.
I suppose I could do that. Hmmm...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2006, 03:04:16 PM
Because I wanted high-quality copies of those anime scenes for my viewing pleasure, I 'obtained' a disc image of the PS2 version in hopes of ripping the movies. While exploring the file structure, I found a 1.8GB file (the disc is 2.8GB total) called "movie.afs". I forced Windows Media Player to open it, and it turns out it contains ALL OF THE FRIGGIN' CUTSCENES IN THE GAME. That means IT'S ALL PRE-RENDERED and RE4 PS2 HAS A PRECEDENT! =D
Further digging shows it was encoded at 640x448 -- GameCube's native resolution. PS2 movies of GameCube-made cutscenes? Wonderful! Way to use that extra disc space and delayed dev time! GOOOOOO CAPCOM!
Score another goal for my Fun Machine.
~~~~~
In the meantime, I'll be compressing a bunch of these scenes into DivX. Unfortunately, with the extra space and Capcom's infinite wisdom, the animated scenes don't seem to be compressed any better than the GCN build. If you have a request, let me know.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 13, 2006, 04:43:51 PM
So whatever you get done, I'd be willing to have. However much you feel like doing
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 13, 2006, 05:26:35 PM
Im nor sure if i understand what you mean by this statement. Could you please clarify, Thanks
In the meantime, I'll be compressing a bunch of these scenes into DivX. Unfortunately, with the extra space and Capcom's infinite wisdom, the animated scenes don't seem to be compressed any better than the GCN build. If you have a request, let me know.
I would like to see any and all scene you can come up with.
Did you buy the PS2 version?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 13, 2006, 07:05:20 PM
I mentioned "precedent" because Killer7-PS2 was released in Summer '05, while RE4-PS2 didn't come out till October. A few days before RE4-PS2 was released, a Euro Capcom rep admitted that the cutscenes were simply FMVs, citing the costume example. People began digging into the PS2 disc and soon found the large movie files, confirming it. But when Killer7-PS2 came out, "all" reviews had no mention of this sort of deal, and they continued to assume the PS2 version drew just about everything the GameCube version did. Apparently the FMVs did a good job of fooling them. It also makes you wonder what else Capcom and other devs have fudged over the years.
No, I didn't buy the PS2 version (would I? HAH, NO). "the internet gave it to me."
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Have you played/beaten Killer7?
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 13, 2006, 07:44:40 PM
Post by: Renny on January 13, 2006, 08:24:38 PM
I'm doubly glad I got the Cube version now. I was cringing at some of the animated cuts. Most of the anime I've downloaded has better compression than that.
And add me to the list of interested panties. I mean... OK, I'm no better than Harman.
Post by: Talon on January 14, 2006, 07:53:08 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 15, 2006, 12:24:28 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 15, 2006, 04:35:49 AM
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 15, 2006, 08:15:27 AM
No, I didn't buy the PS2 version (would I? HAH, NO). "the internet gave it to me."
Good i was thinking you committed blasphamy and went to the darkside :-)
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Have you played/beaten Killer7?
Yes i played Killer 7. Great Game. Unfortunately, in my infinite wisdom, i started on hard mode. Now im stuck trying to kill the Lil anime girl that runs around the parking lot in Blitzkreig fashion. Shes a superbitch. Cant kill her. So i got frustrated and havent played in a while. See the Killer 7 post in Reader Reviews section. Thanks to Cubist, he/she gave me a tip. I have yet to try it but ill try here soon enough.
Thats why i wanna see the videos. So when i do start playing again i can catch myself up back with the story. Its been a couple of months and a couple of games later( Geist and Spartan) so im sure i forgot a lot of Killer 7's story. It will be nice to just look at your movies( up to the point of superbitch) and kill Superbitch and continue with Killer 7 until i beat it, without having to start over. So ill be waiting patiently for your hard work to come to reality.
Keep me/us posted when your done. Thanks
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2006, 12:00:02 AM
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 16, 2006, 07:41:25 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 16, 2006, 11:30:31 AM
Private messages are handled by the little "lock" icon near the top of the page, or the upper-right corner of a person's post.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2006, 05:02:57 PM
Post by: Renny on January 20, 2006, 07:51:51 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 20, 2006, 08:12:37 PM
Post by: Nosferat2 on January 21, 2006, 11:14:04 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 21, 2006, 11:51:28 AM
(already ripped soundtracks for Prime2, Battalion Wars, and killer7)
Post by: Nosferat2 on February 25, 2006, 07:39:47 AM
Fresh out the California Bar Exam, what is the first thing i do. Well i put in Killer 7 which was put on a 2 month hold while i studied for that bloody hell of an exam. Anyway aside from finishing the exam my excitement is due to my finally beating the uber whore ashley backburn(on hard).
Thanks to Pro 666 and cubist, i was able to kill her not once but twice in one night. Now i can continue with a game i was stuck on for so long. I expect to finish the game this weekend, and join the ranks of those who beat this trippy but great game.
Thanks again to 666 and cubist.
Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
I thought with all the killer7 talk recently, I would bring back this thread.
My favorite killer is Coyote Smith, who's yours?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 25, 2006, 06:24:55 PM
1. Samantha.
2. Kevin.
Post by: nickmitch on July 25, 2006, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: vudu on July 25, 2006, 07:19:36 PM
KAEDE was pretty cool, too. Kevin was a cool idea, but under-used. There were very few times that required his powers to be used other than the occational puzzle.
Mask sucked.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 25, 2006, 07:36:05 PM
*yes the parking garage in the 1st 2 minutes of the game.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on July 25, 2006, 10:03:45 PM
People obviously don't know what Kevin's for.
K is for K.ICKING ASS. He "walks" very fast. His aim has NO waver, and requires NO reloading. He can stop enemies in their tracks with his "Slow" ability. He can disappear if you need a last-second dodge. I use him 99% of the time cuz he makes most Heaven Smiles IMPOTENT WITH STUPIDITY. He has AN AWESOME BACKFLIP. He stands head and shoulders above all else in Killer8.
Mask is fun and awesome and has some of the best lines, and is especially good against schoolgirls
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2006, 02:59:26 AM
Post by: archioverload on August 10, 2006, 01:59:06 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on August 10, 2006, 05:31:44 PM
Post by: Crimm on August 10, 2006, 07:50:07 PM
That said, I probably liked his attitude more then anything.
Post by: Karl Castaneda #2 on August 10, 2006, 09:13:59 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on August 10, 2006, 10:31:03 PM
When every poster has his own favorite which they claim to be the best killer, and another killer they don't like to use at all. Of course, the next post will claim the exact opposite.
Suda51 FTW!
Post by: Vert1 on August 11, 2006, 09:09:19 AM
http://rapidshare.de/files/29038433/Smile__lost_track__2.mp3.html
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 11, 2006, 05:44:31 PM
Did the official OST have the extended Gatekeeper mix?
Post by: vudu on August 12, 2006, 05:39:50 AM
Post by: Vert1 on August 12, 2006, 07:00:48 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 12, 2006, 09:43:06 AM
These are the tracks I've ripped and made public (reading this, VUDU?). There's a bunch of others I haven't converted or uploaded yet.
http://ssv.jaccinc.com/media/gcn/killer7.html
vert, what area/part of Smile is the piano music from? I haven't played that area in a while.
Post by: Vert1 on August 12, 2006, 05:49:06 PM
This game's music is way too good. Definitely in my top3 for vg ost's this gen. Where Angels Play is my favorite tune.
There is no justice in the world if you do not uplaod the guitar riff when you solve a puzzle in the game.
Post by: vudu on August 13, 2006, 04:50:51 PM
Post by: Caliban on August 14, 2006, 05:43:35 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 14, 2006, 07:54:05 PM
Come back in due time. And we'll talk some more =D
Post by: Caliban on August 15, 2006, 04:53:25 AM
Post by: Vert1 on August 26, 2006, 09:15:40 PM
If Capcom is smart they will combine RE4 and Killer7 gameplay/style for Heroes. I wish Capcom made a Killer7 mode in RE4. What's the deal with them making Hopper8 mode for one lousy level?
Post by: Kairon on August 27, 2006, 12:54:34 PM
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Mario on August 28, 2006, 03:15:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Vert1
What happened to the music? I'm dying here.
If Capcom is smart they will combine RE4 and Killer7 gameplay/style for Heroes. I wish Capcom made a Killer7 mode in RE4. What's the deal with them making Hopper8 mode for one lousy level?
Heroes has nothing to do with Capcom..
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on August 28, 2006, 07:23:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Vert1
What happened to the music? I'm dying here.
If Capcom is smart they will combine RE4 and Killer7 gameplay/style for Heroes. I wish Capcom made a Killer7 mode in RE4. What's the deal with them making Hopper8 mode for one lousy level?
Hey i just moved out. Got busy.
Post by: Caliban on September 11, 2006, 05:25:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Keep your thoughts to yourself until you beat the game. You're not even near the point of juggling them.
Come back in due time. And we'll talk some more =D
I finished it, and guess what, I love this game, it's freaking awesome, the story is just crazy wicked, gameplay is fun 'til the end and on, definately awaiting for Heroes.
My save says it took me approximately 20 hours to finish the game, I think I started playing it from 11 hours of play-time, 9 hours straight? lol, I didn't even notice it.
Juggling them? I don't get what you mean.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 11, 2006, 06:24:39 PM
"juggling your thoughts" aka trying to make sense of the game. Was the game about Heaven Smiles and Kun Lan and terrorism? Nuh uh.
Post by: Kairon on September 11, 2006, 06:33:58 PM
...all I know is that it ROCKED. And that I got Suda 51's signature on a T-shirt when i was at E3. Nyaah!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: TrueNerd on September 11, 2006, 09:17:27 PM
Ebert never played this game.
Post by: Caliban on September 12, 2006, 06:24:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Professional 666
Another one baptised =D
"juggling your thoughts" aka trying to make sense of the game. Was the game about Heaven Smiles and Kun Lan and terrorism? Nuh uh.
I liked how the game's story has a concave shape, it started spread out from 2 far ends and comes together to one focused point.
My favourite game-story has always been from the Metal Gear series, however, Killer7 has topped my chart for best game-story.
Post by: Kairon on September 12, 2006, 07:42:53 PM
Concave? Huh? Not about terrorism? I know... but then what else?!?!?
SENSEI! TEACH ME! PLEASE! POUR INTO MY WILLING MIND YOUR WISDOM AND TEACHINGS!
...no seriously, I'm at a complete loss as to how to digest or dissolve Killer 7, awesome as it is. I feel like I'm reading bloody poetry for the first time ever. I know it's cool, I know it's powerful, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW OR WHY!!!
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Caliban on September 13, 2006, 05:00:46 AM
I said concave, but that's just my point of view or "feeling" of it, it doesn't necessarily mean I fully understand it, however there is at least one common theme present in the game and you would know it if you understand that last ending I mentioned above.
Maybe Professional666 can be of much better help.
Post by: Kairon on September 13, 2006, 07:13:25 AM
I have to show your theories to my younger brother now.
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: Caliban on September 13, 2006, 07:32:12 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 13, 2006, 07:52:07 AM
Post by: Caliban on September 13, 2006, 07:56:10 AM
There was a mention of using the map, it's funny how I never ever used it lol.
I'm currently downloading the ripped soundtrack from Pro's site, btw is there a track for Garcian's whistling song while he *I'm not gonna spoil* in the last chapter?
I'll be reading your PM.
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 13, 2006, 08:44:09 AM
Post by: Caliban on September 13, 2006, 09:12:18 AM
Oh btw Pro, I listened to your ripped killer7 tracks and aren't you missing some tracks? I could have sworn that I heard some classical pieces.
Hostile Creation > maybe we should go on to the chat room and start discussing it until our brains melt.
Post by: vudu on September 13, 2006, 09:19:51 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 13, 2006, 07:01:37 PM
It's just a selection of favs i've converted up to now.
Post by: Caliban on September 14, 2006, 03:00:10 AM
I started reading that "Plot Analysis/FAQ" that vudu mentioned, man is it huge, but I will eventually read it all.
Post by: IceCold on October 26, 2006, 12:44:36 PM
Post by: Mario on October 26, 2006, 09:53:01 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 27, 2006, 01:25:45 AM
Dirty tricks.
