Post by: couchmonkey on January 13, 2005, 04:39:01 AM
As for me, my cousin, who owned all of Nintendo's previous systems, said that he didn't think there were many games for the system. I've also run into one or two people online who were disappointed that Nintendo didn't release an exclusive FPS.
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 13, 2005, 06:10:18 AM
More later.
Post by: Rhoq on January 13, 2005, 06:32:49 AM
All of my friends range in age between 25 and 40. I own a GameCube because I have always been loyal to Nintendo and, overall, I like what they have to offer gamers. I enjoy all sorts of games and don’t shy away from a good game just because it’s rated “E”.
One friend (25) got a PS2 so he could play games like Grand Theft Auto and Manhunt. I enjoy senseless violence as much as the next guy, but he's amused by the violence and profanity that make up those kind of games. My feeling is that it gets old really quickly, and once you get passed the novelty of hearing your game characters say "Fu*k" a few hundred times, it gets old pretty quickly. Not for him. He'll laugh everytime he hears it or everytime he sees someone get killed, execution style - or blown up, etc. For me, yeah it's cool at first. After awhile though it bores me. I need more substance than a game designed to amuse high schoolers.
Another friend (26) is currently contemplating buying an X-Box. He would have gone with a GameCube but his interest in the ‘Cube died when LucasArts decided to stop releasing games on Nintendo’s console. His main interest right now would be all of the Star Wars games currently available on the X-Box. He is also interested in X-Box Live – another blow to the GameCube. Had Nintendo offered an on-line service for the GameCube, this particular friend would have already bought one by now – despite the lack of new Star Wars games. He is also concerned with the lack of “M” rated games on ‘Cube. He's the kind of person to refuse to see a movie if it’s rated anything less than “R”. His loss, I guess.
Another friend (36) bought his daughters a GameCube and I allow them to play their games on my ‘Cube whenever he stops by my house. He is thinking about getting a GameCube for himself because he is interested in playing Resident Evil. He’s been obsessed with Nemesis ever since we saw Resident Evil: Apocalypse in the theater over the Summer. I think once he’s sees RE4 – he’ll be sold on the system.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 13, 2005, 06:37:24 AM
Nintendo had to show everyone they were back in the saddle with the Cube yet they had only one playable third party game at E3 2001, no online plans at all, a flagship launch title that could be beat in a weekend, and a huge six month drought following launch where virtually no games were released. With the N64 fans got fed up over the poor third party support and huge gaps between major releases and sure enough those exact problems were present for the first year of the Cube's life. Anyone who felt burned by the N64 rightly assumed that with the Cube things would be no different.
Ironically the Cube has since improved a lot yet is now probably more ignored than it was during the first year. Chalk that up to poor marketing by Nintendo and a tainted image caused by the poor first impression.
Post by: S-U-P-E-R on January 13, 2005, 06:55:53 AM
(I'm buying RE4 as soon as I get to the mall, though.)
I think this just comes back to 3rd party support, which I'm quite certain is the magic power-up for winning each console war. It seems like it wouldn't be that hard to get, right? Give dev kits to EVERYONE and their mothers and undersell Sony on licensing fees and stuff. Most games, most shelf space, most popularity, it all goes hand-in-hand I think.
Oh, and then I read Ian Sane's post after I wrote this one. Yeah, what he said.
Post by: odifiend on January 13, 2005, 07:51:21 AM
Ty: Did you not play Metoid: Echoes? It is a lot more challenging than the first anyway and how could you not get a kick out of how your suit has like an autopsy mode. I love that, um...ROCK!
Post by: mantidor on January 13, 2005, 07:58:07 AM
Another point in favor of xbox and playstation consoles that I came to know just recently is that most games came in spanish, which is not the case with Nintendo. But still piracy is the most important factor in the success of any console here, as I said, is just sad.
Post by: Munky on January 13, 2005, 09:40:33 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 13, 2005, 10:00:49 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 13, 2005, 11:30:13 AM
My girlfriend, because of playing mine, fell in love with my GameCube with Ikaruga, F-Zero, Monkey Ball, Pikmin and of course Mario Party. When she saw that you can get Mario Party for free for buying one, she decided to and go hers at the age of nineteen.
My other friend was a different story. He was a PS2 extremist and hated everything Nintendo. Then one day he came over to my apartment and played me some Smash Bros. Offended that I defeted him in such a "easy" game, he bought one and me and him go at it nonstop. Now he's fallen in love with the games all over again. He got creeped out by the RE:Remake. Ikaruga kicked his ass like nonstop, Tales immersed him like a little lost dog, and Pikmin brought out the RTS gamer inside of him.
My other friend is just stupid in that he was all "Will Smash Bros. ever come out on PS2?!?" and when we say to him "No" he's all "Well that sucks, I'll just play from Tony Hawk then, it's the same." Even though that's one less sell, I don't really trust this guys judgement on the fact that he's stupid and thinks that the PS2 version of Half-Life is better than the computer version. Also he thinks that the Spyro games are better than Mario. Oh well.
Post by: Famicom on January 13, 2005, 12:50:05 PM
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 13, 2005, 01:32:50 PM
Anywho, by just listening to my friends I have concluded that it is indeed lack of games that hurt the Cube the most. Not many people just fall back on the "it's for children" or "it's stupid" as much as they did when the cube first launched (blol it was everywhere), but now it's just that the selection of sports games or shooters isn't there on the Cube. They all seem to like Nintendo games, and alot loved the N64. Everyone loves Mario. They just passed up those few Nintendo games for more sports or racing games. Bupbow.
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 13, 2005, 03:21:42 PM
Oh well, as long as I can kick her ass in Smash Bros (but get mine kicked back in Monkey Soccer)
Post by: couchmonkey on January 14, 2005, 08:22:44 AM
Well, I agree that a perception of lack of games has been a problem for Nintendo. I think the general "I LOVE HALO 2" image still hurts Nintendo too.
The recent editorial by Jonathan Metts on PGC made some interesting points about letting NOA do it's own thing...I agree, but one thing NOA will never be able to "fix" is NCL's tendency to release lots of cute, cuddly, cartoony games. That's as it should be, I don't want EAD to throw a bunch of gratuitous adult content into its games, yet it creates a problem since those are the games that the system is trying to sell itself on. I guess more Western partners could be part of the solution.
Post by: WhoDey on January 15, 2005, 12:44:57 PM
My brother in law also bought a GC at launch. I was surprised to hear this because his main focus is sports games. Not surprisingly, he sold it within a month and got an XBox. He's a lot happier with that because there are tons of sports games.
Another friend's family got a PS2 because it was considered the best system by them. They mainly play war games and popular licensed games.
Post by: Nimbus on January 15, 2005, 01:21:35 PM
I'm 28 and the Cube will probably be my last Nintendo console for a while. Let me explain: It's all about Revolution. I was hoping for a backward compatible system from the big N but now my hopes are destroyed. The controller will not even features the D-Pad nor A & B buttons. The 3rd party support is already low for the Cube when games can be ported to it without much efforts. Imagine with a system that is not compatible with any others (more populars) on the market. Why bother?
I was loyal during the N64 dark era and I can understand why peoples where unsure about the Cube. The Cube is not a failure, it's a total success. The failure, it seem, is Nintendo, failing to attract more third parties and catch up with our century. Who's to blame: Nintendo, for volontary isolating themselves from the mass market.
I hope you understand: dunring the 64 days, they told us that they would be more agressive, geared toward the future, that Mario would get attitude etc... I don't believe it anymore. Now I'm enjoying my Cube (I even have a spare one boxed just in case) but I'm trully unsure about revolution. On a side note: Nintendo should really team whith Apple for their next system. If they do, I might just grab one anyway...
Post by: KnowsNothing on January 15, 2005, 01:38:14 PM
It will probably be backwards compatible with the GC. All they have to do is have the conroller ports accept a GC controller when a GC game is inserted if the controller design change is so drastic. And I highly doubt that Nintendo will make their next console impossible to port to. It's suicide.
Post by: Nimbus on January 15, 2005, 01:53:50 PM
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Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 15, 2005, 02:15:27 PM
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 16, 2005, 03:20:25 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
Hey, here's a question: why have people (especially ex-Nintendo players) ignored the GameCube? I'd like to hear actual, specific reasons that people you know gave for giving up on Nintendo, then if this thread keeps going maybe we can get into our personal theories.
I haven't given up on Nintendo (I doubt I ever will, kthnx), but I will admit I'm certainly not a big a fan of them as I was. The disgusting treatment of PAL owning GC fans is probably the main reason. Sony and Microsoft both strive to get games out in the US and Europe around the same time, and Nintendo sits around and breaks wind. Oh yeah, it's okay, release Four Swords a year later. Oh Animal Crossing? Yeah, nobody wants to play that. Sure, release it two years after the US at full price. Good job. Custom Robo? Like hell you're getting that! I'm sure the GBA and GC will do well when publishers and retail stores drop support because Nintendo don't know what the hell they're doing. LOL why are we failing badly.
And while a lot of their sequels have STUNNED ME on GC (F-Zero GX, Wave Race: BS, 1080: A), some more important ones left a bitter taste in my mouth (Mario Sunshine, Metroid Prime and especially Mario Kart: DD). Of course, it's personal opinion. I could rant about why I dislike those games, but that's rather pointless. "Mario Kart had crap courses!" "NO IT DIDN'T" "WELL I THINK IT DID!" "OMG I HAT YOU"
And well, Nintendo just has a serious lack of good third party games on GC. But yeah, that's not really Nintendo's fault, I spose. I look at my PS2 collection and it's sad how many games would of done so much better on GC (sales wise). Seriously, c'mon Irem, port Disaster Report to GameCube. And Capcom? For shame, NOBODY FREAKIN' BOUGHT GREGORY HORROR SHOW OR UNDER THE SKIN ON PS2. ;__;
But hey, as of right now I'm currently getting excited in the pants for DS' release next month. I suspect it'll get kicked in the face (the top screen) as soon as Sony release the PSP in March, but hey. Whatever. Nintendo seem to be going back to their roots with the DS, silly obscure amazing games. Another Code and Yoshi Touch and Go! holla!
Post by: KDR_11k on January 17, 2005, 06:20:21 AM
Post by: PJ gamer10 on January 20, 2005, 10:15:56 AM
the Gamecube is a legitimate platform for games. They are perceived as a tiku tiku tiku! system. After RE4 launched me and my
co-worker who is a nother Big N fanatic put it on and let people play it. People couldn't believe the power of the game and the
system. We even sold a few Gamecubes because of it. Most people however are waiting for the PS2 port. Even with the DS,
people will examine the PSP and say this is better. Im beginning to think that people don't want quality games anymore but
they want an image.
Post by: PJ gamer10 on January 20, 2005, 10:20:41 AM
Post by: mantidor on January 20, 2005, 03:03:55 PM
EDIT: if you meant weird post about the "tiku tiku tiku! " part dont worry, I think we Nintendo fans are just sick and tired of the word and thats why the admins of the forum censored it... well, thats the only logical explanation Ive been able to come up with, dont flame me or anything
Post by: xts3 on February 05, 2005, 06:51:14 PM
Top 10 most OWNED games (on gamespot):
Halo
FFX
GTA:SA
Zelda WW
GTA3
KOTOR
FF7
I only see Zelda as the only most owned game in the top 10 "most owned", I know this doesn't reflect actual sales but I'm sure you could go look up the sales of all those games and they would all be very good.
Post by: ZombieGalford on February 05, 2005, 07:58:13 PM
bought/played the most for the last two Nintendo systems
and that should explain most of it...
Nintendo 64
Perfect Dark
Oracina of Time
Majora's Mask
Orge Battle 64
GameCube
Metroid Prime series
Resident Evil series
Skies of Arcadia
Post by: KDR_11k on February 05, 2005, 09:00:31 PM
Post by: heinous_anus on February 05, 2005, 11:47:09 PM
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Originally posted by: PJ gamer10
I'm an Eb employee and it has gotten to the point that I have had verbal arguments with customers because they do not think
the Gamecube is a legitimate platform for games. They are perceived as a tiku tiku tiku! system. After RE4 launched me and my
co-worker who is a nother Big N fanatic put it on and let people play it. People couldn't believe the power of the game and the
system. We even sold a few Gamecubes because of it. Most people however are waiting for the PS2 port. Even with the DS,
people will examine the PSP and say this is better. Im beginning to think that people don't want quality games anymore but
they want an image.
I don't think people want an image. People are given "an image" or "image 'x'" through advertising, word of mouth, friends, sales clerks, and the emphasized games on any given system.
Bearing in mind that Microsoft has a virtually unlimited pool of cash with which to work, there is little to no logical reason why it should ever outsell the Gamecube...or, for that matter, the PS2 for a given week/month, which I believe it did sometime during December. Nearly every 3rd party game released on the Xbox can also be found on the PS2, which has a much more vast library of games (think backwards-compatability). Of the remaining "exclusives," many of the Xbox's best games (Halo, KOTOR, KOTOR II, Doom III, etc.) can be found on the PC. You're left with games like Halo 2 and Ninja Gaiden to warrant the purchase of the system...again, logically speaking. And while these are fine games themselves, surely they couldn't alone justify to the common consumer, glancing down the aisle at the massive PS2 display, a $150 purchase?
My point? Maybe some would, in this circumstance, thinking only in the terms above, buy that system (the Xbox). But I attest that most wouldn't without another variable, and in advertising and "an image" we have such a variable. Xbox doesn't have to be a good system; it doesn't have to have the exclusives that Nintendo has, or the broad genre coverage that Sony has. It only has to have a company behind it that will convince at least part of the general public that it is the better system, bar none. That is what Microsoft has done.
I saw a San Andreas commercial extraordinarily late on Comedy Central the other night while "studying;" this was like 3 in the morning, mind you, and San Andreas was released in November. Why am I not seeing constant RE4 ads....all the time? Does anyone remember how cool Nintendo's commercials used to be, and how frequently you saw them on TV? Go, go right now on the web looking for the old Dr. Mario commercial.
I want, as many skeptical Nintendo fans want, to continue playing games well into the future on a console made by the big N. The real fear here is that Nintendo will either be 1) Sega-matized, which is of course no good, or 2)demoted to "cult" status, putting out pretty much Nintendo-only software on their system. Neither one of these should happen, but certainly could happen unless Revolution is really that Revolutionary, not just with respect to how we play games, but with respect to how many different companies (and genres) we get to play games from.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 06, 2005, 02:21:02 AM
The less people know about something the more they go with the mainstream oppinion. Though there's also denial that comes up when someone isn't able to change their choice, e.g. buy another console and needs to bring up his ego by proclaiming that choice would've been disadvantageous... That results in fanboyism. But I'm getting off-topic here.
Basically, the less informed an individual is the more they believe the popular oppinion (hype). That's what "consumer education" (AE: corporate propaganda) is for.
Maybe N could change the "hype" that surrounds them, they don't get much negative comments from actually informed customers so the problem is probably the way they fight the propaganda war.
Post by: xts3 on February 07, 2005, 07:35:25 PM
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Originally posted by: heinous_anusQuote
Originally posted by: PJ gamer10
I'm an Eb employee and it has gotten to the point that I have had verbal arguments with customers because they do not think
the Gamecube is a legitimate platform for games. They are perceived as a tiku tiku tiku! system. After RE4 launched me and my
co-worker who is a nother Big N fanatic put it on and let people play it. People couldn't believe the power of the game and the
system. We even sold a few Gamecubes because of it. Most people however are waiting for the PS2 port. Even with the DS,
people will examine the PSP and say this is better. Im beginning to think that people don't want quality games anymore but
they want an image.
I don't think people want an image. People are given "an image" or "image 'x'" through advertising, word of mouth, friends, sales clerks, and the emphasized games on any given system.
Bearing in mind that Microsoft has a virtually unlimited pool of cash with which to work, there is little to no logical reason why it should ever outsell the Gamecube...or, for that matter, the PS2 for a given week/month, which I believe it did sometime during December. Nearly every 3rd party game released on the Xbox can also be found on the PS2, which has a much more vast library of games (think backwards-compatability). Of the remaining "exclusives," many of the Xbox's best games (Halo, KOTOR, KOTOR II, Doom III, etc.) can be found on the PC. You're left with games like Halo 2 and Ninja Gaiden to warrant the purchase of the system...again, logically speaking. And while these are fine games themselves, surely they couldn't alone justify to the common consumer, glancing down the aisle at the massive PS2 display, a $150 purchase?
My point? Maybe some would, in this circumstance, thinking only in the terms above, buy that system (the Xbox). But I attest that most wouldn't without another variable, and in advertising and "an image" we have such a variable. Xbox doesn't have to be a good system; it doesn't have to have the exclusives that Nintendo has, or the broad genre coverage that Sony has. It only has to have a company behind it that will convince at least part of the general public that it is the better system, bar none. That is what Microsoft has done.
I saw a San Andreas commercial extraordinarily late on Comedy Central the other night while "studying;" this was like 3 in the morning, mind you, and San Andreas was released in November. Why am I not seeing constant RE4 ads....all the time? Does anyone remember how cool Nintendo's commercials used to be, and how frequently you saw them on TV? Go, go right now on the web looking for the old Dr. Mario commercial.
I want, as many skeptical Nintendo fans want, to continue playing games well into the future on a console made by the big N. The real fear here is that Nintendo will either be 1) Sega-matized, which is of course no good, or 2)demoted to "cult" status, putting out pretty much Nintendo-only software on their system. Neither one of these should happen, but certainly could happen unless Revolution is really that Revolutionary, not just with respect to how we play games, but with respect to how many different companies (and genres) we get to play games from.
Utlimately I think the problem is Nintendo has lost their game (i.e. the fun we all *used* to have is gone), in short they have lost their 'royal jelly'. Every single game they have released has disappointed me when it came to the fun I had with previous games. I dont think this is just a problem with Nintendo but the PS2 has far more fun and totally engrossing games then the Gamecube and Xbox, period. I thought Maximo: Army of Zin was a better game then Super mario sunshine hands down and thats not even one of the killer apps for the PS2.
Another thing is - Metroid prime 2 : Echoes is a prime example of not having studied what it is that makes a first person game fun, I had to force myself through the game because it just game off as a "me too" clone. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, Metroid and Halo are exactly the same game with different coats of pain when you consider it minus the graphics, "point running around with a gun to collect or shoot other objects", the problem is no one is exploring what makes it fun. in Halo its the action, in Metroid... well its a walking-powerup puzzle-collecting simulator when you fight enemies in prime you don't get a rush like you do in Halo or other PC FPS games like Half life / half-life 2 and thats a huge killer -- the fun is missing and thats what sale of the game should be about.
Post by: KDR_11k on February 08, 2005, 05:21:41 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on February 08, 2005, 08:42:00 AM
As for whether Nintendo's other games are fun or not, that's a matter of taste. I still have way more fun with Nintendo's games than with most other developers' games.
Post by: Jhiando on March 10, 2005, 08:52:29 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on March 10, 2005, 08:56:32 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 11, 2005, 01:09:44 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on March 11, 2005, 05:57:32 AM
Post by: heinous_anus on March 11, 2005, 09:43:39 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 12, 2005, 12:43:33 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on March 12, 2005, 09:55:29 AM
How many third party games sell well on the GC? How many on the Xbox?
Two, why pay more royalities for less sales?-- Nintendo chargers abit more than MS--
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 12, 2005, 10:50:22 AM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 12, 2005, 03:38:02 PM
My suggestion? How about a starightforward advetisement on tv that played towards Nintendo's loyal audience. We're sure to listen right? Right. In the commecial have just a guy sitting in his lounge chair staring at his tv when a guy comes into the room (we get this first person perspective) and as the unsuppecting dude in the chair looks up and the new entrant we hear an overvoice saying "LISTEN! We know they make crap games. You know they make crap games. But just BUY one once in a while would ya?!" and then he just bitch slaps the guy in the chair. Comercial over.
Sounds stupid huh? But what do you want to bet I could get it sold to an ad company?
Post by: Caillan on March 12, 2005, 03:57:14 PM
Post by: trip1eX on March 12, 2005, 06:03:45 PM
The Cube is the Prince of Persia:Sands of Time. The PS2 and Xbox are both the Prince of Persia: Warrior Within. That's the image difference.
Americans want GTA. Halo. Big guns. They need to be badass. They need to see lots of gore. They need realism.
I think the Cube's image is closely associated with Nintendo software and Nintendo software just isn't mainstream American gaming anymore for the highschoolers. There's no fps game. No realistic racing game. No rpg without kid characters. No military tactical game. No flight combat game.
If Nintendo spent their game development talents on making a few more WEstern titles such as above they'd do better.
I don't care if they aren't totally popular tho. But I do want them to survive as a console maker.
I would love to see some of these types of games from Nintendo tho in addition to their usual great games.
Post by: heinous_anus on March 12, 2005, 06:27:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Don'tHate742
The only reason they don't sell well is because of Nintendo's own compassion for quality. It has been proven that third party games do sell well as along as they meet a Nintendo like standard in gaming. TOS had this as well as Viewtiful Joe. The only reason why Xbox gamers gobble it up is because to them, all-around OK games are better than what they usually get. Third Parties don't like releasing games for Nintendo because compared to Nintendo, there just Ok and not worth a whopping $50. Burnout 3 would of sold really well on Nintendo, probably even better than Xbox. Hell, my brother owns an Xbox and I told him to buy burnout 3. If it were released for the cube, I would of bought it instead.
I could think of a few examples to the contrary - Burnout 3 has already been mentioned, and let's not forget about everything that Rockstar puts out. The bottom line is that the GC is the only "major" competitor of the 3 that doesn't receive said ports. If a game goes multiplatform, there needs to be a GC version, I don't care how "crappy" it is. And is this a pretty recent rule (rule= 3rd parties don't match the "quality" of Nintendo games)? I remember 3rd parties making tons and tons of games for the SNES, and I think we'd agree that Nintendo-made games for that system were, on the whole, superior to 3rd part products.
Post by: Ymeegod on March 12, 2005, 09:00:14 PM
The fact of the matter is it doesn't matter the quality of the product but the appeal to the casual gamers that determine high sales.
And like the guy above stated--losing multiplatform games are hurting overall sales for the GC. During the last 3 months both Xbox/PS2 have launched 10 titles with an avg score of 8 or higher while the GC only had 5 (4 of which have been EA titles).
What games did GC miss out then? Brothers in Arms, Mercenaries, World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International, Major League Baseball 2K5, Project: Snowblind --Those are ones with an 8 or higher avg score and all of them was multiplatform.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 13, 2005, 06:06:17 AM
Nintendo is the only developer trying to produce something for all ages that are quality. They don't always hit the mark, but the fact that they try says something. Other companies do follow the quality rule, but most of today's third parties just release a game to make a heap of money and not because of the passion they have for gaming. In the NES days, developers just wanted to make a decent amount of money, since making games was more important to them than being rich. If they did become rich, they didn't stop making games. The year that Microsoft entered the game, all hell broke loose. Besides one game that was fun, they flooded the market with crap. Paying off developers to make games for their system. What incentive do developers have to make a great game, when no matter what the outcome is they make a profit? Now Sony does it too, but not to a great of extent. Developers see it as a more viable console becuase of the fan base and develope mediocre titles because they know someone out of the millions will buy it. It's all about money these days, and I feel that money mentallity is ruining the game business as a whole. If all the developers were a Nintendo in quality respect (ie Capcom, Konami), then I would probably only stop playing to eat and occasionally use the bathroom....oh ya and sleep (maybe). Sometimes I wish money wasn't a factor......
Post by: Ymeegod on March 15, 2005, 06:12:25 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 16, 2005, 12:04:27 AM
Post by: 09n on March 16, 2005, 07:48:39 AM
Nintendo's main problem in my opinion is they are failing to create new games. They rely too much on 1st and 2cd party games and lose the 3rd party. Also they have almost exhausted the Zelda series (did anyone care what wind waker was about?) and it is now failing to attract the comman gamer. Metroid is still good though (except it would be better in 3rd person). Another good example of the failing nintendo is Starfox Armarda. This was fun but had some fundermental flaws. 3-4 hours is two short and the "ace pilots" are actually petty rubbish.
However I'm getting off topic. In short the reason that nintendo is loseing gamers is that they are useing tried and tested methods in a time that exciting, new games will control a market.
Short little point, to those gamers who own more than 1 or 2 consoles shame on you (by one or two I mean PS2 or Xbox and Gamecube) you are wasting money which would help nintendo develop better games.
Post by: KDR_11k on March 17, 2005, 06:29:06 AM
Post by: 09n on March 22, 2005, 08:21:07 AM
Post by: nolimit19 on March 22, 2005, 11:21:24 AM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 23, 2005, 02:07:46 AM
Gone to college, every one.
Post by: Renny on March 23, 2005, 06:56:45 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2005, 06:59:38 AM
Post by: Renny on March 23, 2005, 07:51:08 AM
Well I'll retrofit it to the discussion anyway, since you're being so affectionate today.
Some say widely available pirated games is integral to a console's popularity. GameCube piracy = succe$$!! I think the Revolution's media should be Xerox-able to guarantee massive hardware sales. Go eReader!
Post by: KDR_11k on March 23, 2005, 10:23:53 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on March 23, 2005, 11:06:06 PM
Although I don't know why. The sun shines on every dog's ass eventually and it's not like RE4 or future online plans make Nintendo any less screwed when it comes to the looming threat of the PSP or the gaining popularity of the XBOX. You'd think they'd just let us be happy for a moment. But NO, the last week or so I've had to scare so many trolls off of my forums I've lost count.
