Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 17, 2004, 02:36:31 PM
I'm pretty pleased with how the DS and PSP fared. Of course, these only cover the PSP's first day, but judging by the total number of DS's sold, I think that 10 days to sell 500,000 PSPs for a fair comparison is goign to be kind of tough.
Just my opinion. Now I'm assured - nintendo iz d0omd.
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 17, 2004, 02:47:44 PM
Which means that any reasonable way you slice it, the DS is selling better.
Meanwhile, I doubt anybody's really surprised. The general opinion is that the PSP might overtake the DS sales later on, especially with Metal Gear Acid coming out.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 17, 2004, 03:34:00 PM
Post by: Mario on December 17, 2004, 03:54:02 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 17, 2004, 05:28:32 PM
You're kidding. I certainly wasn't expecting that.
Post by: jarob on December 18, 2004, 04:41:08 AM
I hope this site updates their PHP software. Yikes.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 18, 2004, 06:34:26 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 18, 2004, 08:03:20 AM
That's more than likely the reason it didn't sell, seeing as the only two noteable card based games this generation are Baten Kaitos and Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories.
Post by: couchmonkey on December 18, 2004, 12:03:25 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 18, 2004, 12:36:42 PM
"hope..." hehehe
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 18, 2004, 02:40:21 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 18, 2004, 03:36:36 PM
They certainly fooled me too... I guess in the end it was just about the lack of pre-ordering. That was pretty shrewd on Sony's part, making the demand look much higher than it actually was.
I also think media bias had something to do with it, but I'll never understand why the bias exists.
Post by: Artimus on December 18, 2004, 04:33:13 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 18, 2004, 05:31:10 PM
Mario creamed Wario last week, but this week Wario came ahead with 4,000 more units sold.
EDIT: Oh, and how many DS's were sold on Day 1? Just for a better comparison.
Post by: Deguello on December 18, 2004, 09:04:01 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 19, 2004, 05:42:25 AM
Post by: Zach on December 19, 2004, 11:52:42 AM
Still, I am really optimistic about this
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 19, 2004, 01:18:37 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 19, 2004, 02:01:15 PM
DS - 1
PSP - HOHOHOHOHO Zippo
Post by: Pale on December 19, 2004, 04:30:45 PM
Post by: Ages on December 19, 2004, 04:54:41 PM
Post by: Forksaken Profet on December 19, 2004, 05:26:38 PM
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Originally posted by: PaleZer0
Now i don't have any facts to back this up, but you guys are forgetting about the possibility that the PSP sold through 100% of its stock thus maxing its possible sales...
Nope. First day estimates up PSP sales in the 160k area, well short of the actual supply. With the news of PSP battery sucking (which is apparently true to an extent) and other rumors, it's no wonder it didn't sell. Sony artificially created hype by disallowing pre-orders. The reason DS lines weren't that long was because Nintendo had half a million shipped and didn't have to worry, so people could pre-order and pick up the DS after work.
When people realize what the PSP actually is, it'll tank in the US, similar to Game Gear, except Game Gear was pretty good, only you had to carry around a bag full of AA batteries to play it.
Post by: ruby_onix on December 19, 2004, 06:04:04 PM
But it's easier to get a sellout with a smaller supply and more frenzy. Nintendo really shipped a lot of units, and amazingly they've all been selling. People really seem to be confident in Nintendo with the DS.
Microsoft got a 1 million unit lead in America right at the start with the XBox over the GameCube (mostly thanks to Halo), and held onto it for a year or two, at which point people just seemed to "accept" that the XBox was beating the Cube, and support started falling away from Nintendo.
Now the DS is beating the PSP in Japan by almost 700,000 units, and at best for each side, they're going to start pacing each other. That gives Sony a real uphill battle, and even if they rev things up a bit, they're still most likely going to need Nintendo to make a significant mistake before they even get the opportunity to even things up.
And then you notice that the DS's lead in America is over 700,000 and growing.
Post by: Urkel on December 19, 2004, 08:52:47 PM
Most people only have a portable as a secondary system, and not as their primary source of gaming. They don't buy as many portable games because of this. PSP games, on the other hand, cost about as much as a typical console game, so the decision to buy a new game carries about as much weight as buying a console game.
Will your average Joe gamer choose to purchase PSP games over PS2 games? In most cases, I would bet not. So what incentive is there for developers to create original games on the PSP if the software tie ratio is lower? What incentive is there to the average gamer to buy a PSP if they already own most of the games available for it?
I'm not counting out the PSP from getting some major exclusive killer app in the future, but it hasn't happened yet. MGS: Acid? Nah. I'm sure that game will sell real well in North America at first, but once word of mouth spreads that it's a card based strategy game, expect sales to plummet. And what's to stop the PSP from suffering the same situation as the Gamecube where so called "exclusives" end up getting ported to PS2 because 3rd parties want to reach out to a larger userbase?
I just think everybody has underestimated the DS, even Nintendo. First they projected 3 million sales, then they raised it to 4 million and now it's 5. Absolutely nobody expected this.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 20, 2004, 02:38:23 AM
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 20, 2004, 12:03:05 PM
Post by: Caustic Saint on December 22, 2004, 03:51:13 AM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
d00med.
Oh, come on. If you're going to link to those sales figures, at least post a link to the ones with the actual dates, like at The Magic Box.
DS sales in 7 days (06 - 12 Dec) - 198,892
PSP sales in 1 day (12 Dec) - 160,019
Are you surprised that the DS sold more in a week than the PSP did in one day? And there's also the fact that the PSP sales are just the direct, over the counter number, and don't include pre-sales.
Post by: Chongman on December 22, 2004, 06:17:09 AM
well....i dont know, i've heard otherwise...like, oh, i dont know, nintendo selling 2 million-ish units worldwide
in other words, sony's gettin creamed if not because the ds is "better" but perhaps primarily on availability.
Post by: Caustic Saint on December 22, 2004, 11:32:15 AM
As for worldwide since both launches, of course Sony is selling fewer units. Why? They've put fewer units into the marketplace and have only launched in one country.
Now...can Sony catch up? I kinda doubt it.
Worldwide, the DS has outsold the PSP nearly 10 to 1. Nintendo has two plants making DSes and is having no trouble meeting demand (in Japan anyways, I know they're still hard to get in the US). Sony, on the other hand, said they can only make 300,000 PSPs a month - which is a lot fewer than they could sell.
Nobody's ever knocked Nintendo from the top stop in the portable market, and I don't think Sony's going to do it either. But I do believe there is room for two handhelds to succeed. If there can be three home consoles doing well at the same time, why not two portables?
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 22, 2004, 11:52:22 AM
However, it is going to be an uphill battle. Sony really made a mistake, by not spending money and having advertising for the PSP before the DS came out. I would have done everything I could to let the American public know that there is an alternative. Since they didn't Nintendo is going to have until March to sell DS without any competition. And if Nintendo is smart to release a killer app or 2 before the PSP is launched then the choice to get a DS and one killer game for the Price of the PSP will be huge. Or in reality getting a DS and 2-3 games for the price of a PSP, one game and a memory card.
Also don't try to play any network games with the PSP, IGNPSP reported 2 hour 45 min battery power when playing against another player...and that was a game that didn't have heavy UMD consumption.
Post by: ruby_onix on December 22, 2004, 04:29:54 PM
The DS launched on Thursday, December 2.
Nintendo originally planned to ship 300,000 units for the launch, but they managed to increase it to 500,000 units for launch day. According to Media Create, Nintendo sold-through 230,000 units on day one. A 46% sell-through rate.
Media Create's one-week numbers (which measure from Monday to Sunday) for the period of Nov 29 to Dec 5 were...
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Top Ten Software:
1 PS2 Dragon Quest VIII: Sora to Umi to Daichi to Norowareshi Himigime Square Enix 476,281 - 2,643,353
2 DS Super Mario 64 DS Nintendo 151,373 new
3 DS Sawaru Made in Wario Nintendo 148,825 new
4 DS Pokemon Dash Pokemon 56,337 new
5 DS Daigasso! Band Brothers Nintendo 33,911 new
6 GBA Power Pro Kun Pocket 7 Konami 30,410 new
7 GC Mario Party 6 Nintendo 29,959 178,352
8 DS Kime no Tame Nara Kimi Shineru (Feel the Magic) Sega 27,250 new
9 DS Chokkan Hitofude (One Line Puzzle) Nintendo 25,415 new
10 GC NARUTO: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 3 Tomy 22,799 - 183,834
Hardware:
1 Nintendo DS 468,883 new 468,883
2 PlayStation 2 93,829 - 108,148 - 2,292,239
3 GameBoy Advance SP 27,313 - 31,198 - 2,211,510
4 Gamecube 5,465 - 6,107 - 533,178
5 Gameboy Advance 822 785 - 191,981
6 Xbox 621 - 669 - 35,495
7 Swan Crystal 44 - 38 - 7,274
8 PSone 40 - 30 - 13,864
So over the "launch weekend", Nintendo's sell-through rate increased to 93.7%
The PSP launched on Sunday, December 12.
According to various sources, Sony shipped about 200,000 units, and sold-through somewhere from 166,000 to 172,000 units on launch day. A sell-through rate of 83-86% Nintendo shipped an additional 200,000 DS units for week two, bringing their "total shipped" up to 700,000.
Media Create's one-week numbers from Dec 6 to Dec 12 were...
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Top Ten Games:
1 PS2 Dragon Quest VIII - 203,618
2 PS2 Daito Giken Koushiki Pachi-Slot Simulator Yoshimune - 188,927
3 PS2 Mobile Suit Gundam vs Z Gundam - 183,583
4 PSP Minna no GOLF Portable - 65,900
5 GBA RockMan EXE 5 Team of Blues - 64,860
6 PSP Ridge Racers - 60,624
7 DS Sawaru Made in Wario - 58,083
8 DS Super Mario 64 DS - 54,829
9 PS2 FIFA Total Football 2 - 53,617
10 GC Mario Party 6 - 39,231
Hardware:
1 DS: 198,892 - 468,883
2 PSP: 160,019 - N/A
3 PS2: 98,323 - 93,829
4 GBASP: 48,912 - 27,313
5 GC: 25,359 - 5,465
6 GBA: 897 - 822
7 Xbox :385 - 621
8 SC: 44 - 44
9 PSone: 35 - 40
Media Create offered an even lower estimate of the PSP's launch day/week sales, which suggest an 80% sell-through rate. The DS's second-week sales could be said to have had a 99% sell through rate on their 200,000 shipped, but it's more accurately said that their combined sell-through rate was updated to 95% of 700,000 total shipped.
Supposedly Sony plans to ship another 100,000 units per week in Japan for the next three weeks, which would take us through the rest of the calendar year.
Now we wait for the next set of numbers.
Post by: Mario on December 22, 2004, 05:50:42 PM
NDS - 220,000
PS2 - 124,000
GBA - 88,000
PSP - 81,000
GCN - 54,000
Interesting...
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 22, 2004, 06:04:26 PM
the GBA schooled the PSP.
Haha, nice find, Mario.
Post by: Caustic Saint on December 22, 2004, 09:38:20 PM
You know, I had been thinking the PGC was the last place on the net to have intelligent discussions about games and gaming.
You have shown me there are no such places.
Post by: Arbok on December 22, 2004, 10:03:17 PM
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Originally posted by: Caustic Saint
"d00med"? "schooled"?
You know, I had been thinking the PGC was the last place on the net to have intelligent discussions about games and gaming.
You have shown me there are no such places.
I think you are taking this a little too far... If it makes you feel better, the PSP did outsell the Gamecube, and we aren't sure how many PSPs there were to still go around. However, I don't see why one has to take offense when someone on a Gamecube forum "roots for the home team".
Also, in regards to the numbers, are the GBA figures for the SP and the regular system?
Post by: ruby_onix on December 22, 2004, 10:03:36 PM
Just tune them out when you think they're being weird. Then one day you'll have a good conversation with one or two of them, and it'll have been worth putting up with them, as opposed to visiting an empty forum.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 23, 2004, 03:56:44 AM
Will the American public still be into the DS when the PSP is launched or will they jump ship? Actually the worst scenario would be that they buy a PSP and keep the DS, however only get games for the PSP. I see this as very likely, and will hurt Nintendo because 3rd party developers will feel they can't make a profit from the DS.
one million units in the United States and in Japan are chump change right now. Nintendo may have a lead, but it better work hard to keep it, and it is still all in the hands of the public how they will receive both systems once they are competing on a world market.
That being said I am really excited about the DS future lineup.
One Line Puzzler
Wario Ware Touched
Super Mario Kart DS
and
Metroid: Hunters
all these games sound really exciting to me.
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 23, 2004, 04:08:59 AM
Schooled...is a word, aight?
And d00med is kind of...meh.
You can have disucssions here.
Just not with..."certain people."
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 23, 2004, 04:15:59 AM
Post by: Koopa Troopa on December 23, 2004, 05:51:03 AM
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"d00med"? "schooled"?
You know, I had been thinking the PGC was the last place on the net to have intelligent discussions about games and gaming.
You have shown me there are no such places.
Does this mean you'll leave now?
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2004, 11:53:15 AM
I think Nintendo DS will continue to outsell the PSP when it's release in the US, however I think PSP will destroy the NDS in Europe and Australia, simple because the DS is a Nintendo product and the PSP is a Sony product.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on December 23, 2004, 03:30:52 PM
--NFAN
Post by: Mario on December 23, 2004, 03:54:27 PM
I'm not sure about other countries in Europe though, sales data from countries like France and Germany is rare, but Nintendo seem to be doing ok there.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on December 23, 2004, 04:03:51 PM
--NFAN
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on December 24, 2004, 03:01:39 AM
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Originally posted by: PaLaDiN
"Metal Gear Acid flopped, it sold 12,000 copies on day 1."
You're kidding. I certainly wasn't expecting that.
Yep. 24,000 in three days.
Flop.
Post by: Artimus on December 26, 2004, 05:03:23 PM
Now, the PSP. Looking at the games, it's not going to appeal to parents. Plain and simple. Also, the DS 'has two screens!'. It's odd because the PSP is sort of the spiritual successor to the GBA, but I think it's in trouble. The GB has NEVER sold to adults, not even back when the NES and SNES were the standard and 'ki-ddy' had yet to be coined. Are these people really interesting in the PSP? Nope. The reaosn the PS2 (and now XBOX) sell well are because they appeal to casual gamers. Nintendo probably has a core fanbase larger than either Sony or Microsoft. My brother just got an XBOX, first system he's had since his old SNES he had six or seven years ago. He also has an iPod. He will NEVER buy a PSP. Why? He doesn't play games everywhere. He is a busy guy and when he plays games he wants it to be at home where he can relax and just forget life. He can't do that on a plane going to a business trip. He's married, owns a car, doesn't ride the subway.
Is this adult handheld market even there?
(btw, these edits that change words like k-iddy and MS with a dollar sign to insults to the poster are childish and not what I'd expect from PGC)
Post by: nitsu niflheim on December 28, 2004, 02:23:12 AM
Post by: Artimus on December 28, 2004, 05:48:45 AM
Post by: nickmitch on December 28, 2004, 10:38:43 AM
Oh and the SP was supposed to be for casual gamers and adults as it could fit into a breast pocket.
Post by: Mario on December 30, 2004, 06:36:47 PM
DS -- 396,674 (1,286,074)
PSP -- 107,217 (352,295)
Post by: KDR_11k on December 30, 2004, 10:10:38 PM
Post by: Renny on January 01, 2005, 04:06:28 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on January 01, 2005, 04:21:19 AM
*runs before Caustic reads anything*
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 01, 2005, 02:43:58 PM
Post by: NWR_Lindy on January 01, 2005, 02:56:56 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if the adult portable market is there too. The GBA SP caught on with adults because it was small, cheap and cool-looking. Still, to this day I only know one adult non-gamer that has one (my sister, and she didn't buy hers - I gave her my SP when I bought my DS). I'm still wondering exactly what market the PSP is hoping to serve...I don't think that an "adult portable market" will be as easy to create as the "adult console market" was for the PS2, simply because there really isn't a need there.
I think that only the hardcore will buy the PSP, whereas the DS will attract the "Oh, it's a newer GBA? Cool, I'll get it" market. The PSP won't catch on with adults like, say, the iPod has. The iPod does one thing and does it well; it's easy for people to understand. The PSP is trying to be a jack-of-all-trades so it'll be more difficult for people to grasp the reason why they need the product (not to mention the fact that a convenient way to play music is higher on the mainstream's priority list than playing video games).
When I look at the PSP I see a product with a potential identity crisis.
silks
Post by: Artimus on January 01, 2005, 03:25:23 PM
That's the problem the PSP has.
Post by: nitsu niflheim on January 01, 2005, 04:14:51 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on January 01, 2005, 08:44:25 PM
I beg to differ. Talking on the cellphone while driving does hinder your ability to drive and it CAN hinder your ability to further participate in the happenings of the world.
Silks: I suppose your sig is a joke as pretty much everyone has heard this quote attributed to Ben Franklin at least a dozen times since the introduction of the USAPATRIOT Act.
Post by: Artimus on January 02, 2005, 12:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You talk on your cellphone as you drive, or as you walk to the office or in a taxi to plan your day. Neither hinders your ability to work or to be involved in the world.
I beg to differ. Talking on the cellphone while driving does hinder your ability to drive and it CAN hinder your ability to further participate in the happenings of the world.
Silks: I suppose your sig is a joke as pretty much everyone has heard this quote attributed to Ben Franklin at least a dozen times since the introduction of the USAPATRIOT Act.
Maybe that's true, but that's not how the majority of people feel and it certainly doesn't stop them from using them. Sometimes the way things are and the way they should be are different.
This forum is so frustrating, everyone is out to defend everything even if noone is attacking it...
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 02, 2005, 04:45:36 AM
Post by: Renny on January 02, 2005, 05:59:37 AM
Post by: Artimus on January 02, 2005, 12:19:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Which do you think is worse: someone defending something or someone attacking the same thing? We're sorry we don't have the same opinions as you do...
But you're not even discussing this entire point. It has nothing to do with opinions, it has to do with the discussion. My post wasn't even ABOUT cell phones. It was a minor detail of little overall importance. And yet he goes after it? Why? It was barely even five words!
Post by: Infernal Monkey on January 02, 2005, 02:04:40 PM
DOOMED.
