Post by: Pikkcuber on September 28, 2004, 03:45:09 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2004, 03:49:43 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 28, 2004, 11:13:11 PM
Post by: joshnickerson on September 29, 2004, 04:00:40 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2004, 06:35:28 AM
Mario is called Mario Mario, IIRC, Luigi was therefore Luigi Mario, right? Oh man, this stuff is confusing...
Post by: RABicle on September 29, 2004, 06:51:19 AM
And the Oringal Donkey Kong Jr is now Donkey Kong right? And the old Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong?
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 07:43:48 AM
That always bugged me huge. The first time I read it was in Gamepro. Someone sent a letter asking asking why they were the Mario Bros since Mario isn't their last name. Gamepro asked Nintendo and a rep said that Mario was their last name which is f*cking retarded. I'm pretty sure that rep just made it up on the spot without asking NCL or Miyamoto. Much like NOA's ridiculously inconsistent Zelda history they posted on their site I just don't except it as canon until I see it in a game.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2004, 07:46:10 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 07:49:42 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2004, 08:08:24 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 08:14:49 AM
Or Baby Bowser and Bowser in the same game. Mario and Baby Mario in Mario Tennis is sort of acceptable since it's a spinoff game and Camelot made it so we can assume they didn't know better. But Super Mario Sunshine is made by EAD, the same guys who made Yoshi's Island and thus should know that Baby Bowser and Bowser are the same being. I don't know how Miyamoto can miss that kind of thing when he CREATED Mario. You figure he should care more about it than the fans.
Edit: I just thought of another oddity. All Yoshis are supposedly named Yoshi. Yet in Super Mario RPG there's a blue Yoshi named Boshi. So is Boshi the only Yoshi who isn't name Yoshi? That's just weird.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2004, 09:52:16 AM
Don't confuse Baby Bowser(who is a young Bowser) with Bowser Jr(his "son")...Ninty never really explained Jr's appearance, but I keep hoping it's not a way to get rid of the Koopa Kids...
And I don't think Ninty really wanted to give each Yoshi their own individual name... ^_^
Post by: Ian Sane on September 29, 2004, 10:15:38 AM
You're right. The identical appearance made me think it was Baby Bowser in Super Mario Sunshine. It's still weird as hell to make a new character that looks exactly like another character and then not explain who he is in any way. In Super Mario Sunshine they acted like Bowser Jr always existed and that we already knew who he was.
Which one is in Mario Kart: DD? Baby Bowser or Bowser Jr? Hey that's an EAD game with Baby Mario and Mario co-existing so Miyamoto has made the screw up himself.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 29, 2004, 10:17:51 AM
(It was Bowser Jr. in Double Dash)
Post by: odifiend on September 29, 2004, 10:22:01 AM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
I've come to accept that Nintendo makes games and not novels. Don't go looking for plot consistency across games unless you want a headache! Argh, Mario and Baby Mario in the same game! The universe is imploding!
It is funny that you mention plot weakness. Yamuchi reportedly wants to make movies.
About poems though so maybe it will be okay.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2004, 10:56:07 AM
Bowser Jr. and Baby Bowser have some subtle differences - I think Baby Bowser has a bigger head and larger eyes (that practically pop right out of his head) but I definitely agree about the similarities. I'm afraid Nintendo is going to "merge" the two characters in the future somehow.
Post by: MattVDB on September 29, 2004, 12:42:25 PM
Oh, and Peach refers to herlsef at the begining of Mario64 as Princess Toadstool, Peach.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 29, 2004, 04:15:32 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2004, 10:16:29 PM
Ian: The MKDD manual also complains that having the baby Bros. and the Bros. in one game makes no sense, but who cares when it means "chain chomp time"?
RAB: Then DK must've aged pretty fast, Mario didn't get any older between DK and SMB (well, okay, he changed lovers and his profession). nless it's some Peter Pan style wonderland Mario should've aged as well. Well, if anyone gave a damn about consistency in Mario games. As Miyamoto said, "We make a game, when we're done with the game itself we make up a story that somehow fits with the game" (or was it Aonuma? Either way, it was in regards to Wind Waker, after admitting they've scrapped a much more elaborate story on Miyamoto's order because they feared it would be too compex).
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 29, 2004, 11:39:45 PM
I can remember sitting in the theater watching the movie and being really happy that they explained their names correctly so I must have known about the "Mario" last name before that.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2004, 06:21:40 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 30, 2004, 07:07:41 AM
Maybe game age has to do with how active you are in current titles. If you're still in the public eye you remain timeless. Mario has consistently made games since his debut so he doesn't age. Donkey Kong however was MIA since Donkey Kong 3 and didn't return for ten years. Ten years is two generations in videogame years. Thus DK aged two generations (say about 40 years) and thus is an old geezer while Mario remained active during this time and thus didn't age.
Or maybe gorillas just age quicker than humans do.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 30, 2004, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on September 30, 2004, 08:53:50 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 30, 2004, 09:08:12 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2004, 05:36:06 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2004, 06:22:29 AM
(All dreams are based on knowledge already stored in your brain, so apparently Mario had seen those creatures before)
But to answer your question, I believe Super Mario RPG was her first "real" appearance...
Post by: couchmonkey on October 01, 2004, 06:54:41 AM
If I may... you can visit www.mariomonsters.com to learn what games Mario enemies appear in. It's definitely not my own site.
To be more specific, though, here are Super Mario Bros. 2 enemies' first appearances in the Mushroom World:
Super Mario Bros 3: Bob-omb
Super Mario World: Pokey and Ninji
SMW2: Yoshi's Island: Shy Guy and Snifit
SMRPG: Beezo (listed as Shy Away) and Birdo
Also, Wart had a cameo as "Mamu" in TLOZ: Link's Awakening.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2004, 07:11:22 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2004, 09:26:14 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 01, 2004, 09:28:56 PM
Post by: Mario on October 01, 2004, 09:40:38 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 01, 2004, 10:32:31 PM
Post by: Rancid Planet on October 01, 2004, 10:37:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 02, 2004, 04:40:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Mario
Super Mario Bros 2 is a dream? Whoa... i've played that game so much and never noticed.
Did you always turn off the game right after defeating Wart, or what? <_<
Post by: Pikkcuber on October 02, 2004, 04:04:53 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 02, 2004, 09:59:27 PM
Post by: Mario on October 03, 2004, 12:21:52 AM
Post by: Dasmos on October 03, 2004, 05:12:58 AM
