Post by: nolimit19 on September 28, 2004, 02:35:28 PM
magical funtime DrZ edit: removed obnoxious 'official' word, we don't need it.
Post by: CHEN on September 28, 2004, 03:20:42 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on September 28, 2004, 03:38:16 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 28, 2004, 03:45:48 PM
That's all you need to know...
Post by: DrZoidberg on September 28, 2004, 03:51:19 PM
Post by: nemo_83 on September 28, 2004, 04:20:03 PM
Post by: Uglydot on September 29, 2004, 05:01:25 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on September 29, 2004, 07:25:54 AM
Well, okay, the game could turn out to be crap, but anyone who has played the first Paper Mario knows better. I'm buying this game the day it comes out!
Post by: CJ on October 06, 2004, 08:46:27 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 06, 2004, 12:21:11 PM
Post by: Mario on October 06, 2004, 06:28:14 PM
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Originally posted by: nolimit19
is anyone feeling this game??? the graphics kind of look disappointing, but besides that, do you think it will be fun??
How the hell are the graphics disappointing? Paper Mario 2 has the best graphics i've ever seen, it's amazing to look at.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 06, 2004, 06:49:36 PM
Post by: soracloudtidus on October 07, 2004, 08:29:11 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 07, 2004, 01:21:14 PM
. If Rockstar continues this trend we will see GTA4:London and <sarcasm>OMG watch out The Getaway.</sarcasm>
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 07, 2004, 01:22:39 PM
Getting fat...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 07, 2004, 02:22:49 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 07, 2004, 03:43:14 PM
. And we all know how super realism beats whimpy paper folding mechanics. Western developers fail at inovation
Post by: soracloudtidus on October 08, 2004, 09:36:19 AM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 09, 2004, 04:07:16 AM
Anyways, I think I will have more fun with VJ2, Paper Mario, Baten Kaitos and Prime 2,MGS 3,Mario Tennis(wow I need to get a job) and FF1&2 than I will with GTA:SA and/or Halo 2.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 09, 2004, 05:21:20 AM
Post by: soracloudtidus on October 11, 2004, 03:13:17 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 11, 2004, 04:13:19 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2004, 04:28:17 PM
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
Post by: Mario on October 11, 2004, 05:10:25 PM
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Lisa and I both knew that our Paper Mario scores were going to cause controversy. Yes, we know that many people out there will love it. We also know that it is a well-made game. However, it also WILL NOT appeal to many people - I would safely say that more people will dislike it than like it. Why? Like we said in the review, it's a very kiddie game - it's target audience is clearly young gamers - I would say 10 and under. For that reason, we had to score it low. Remember, we aren't scoring games strictly on our personal opinions, we're also scoring them based on how much we think THE GAMING PUBLIC will like them. We've all played games that we personally disliked and scored them well because we've known that most people will like them, and we've also scored games low that we love, because most people won't enjoy them.
FOr example, I really like the bizarre frog golf game Ribbit King, and I gave it a 7, because it's just not for everyone. Paper Mario 2 also scored low because it's just not for everyone. If you think it's a 10 in your book, it's a ten in your book, and that doesn't change if we disagree. We're here to guide you on what games to pick up, but ultimately your personal opinion is what will make you buy a game or not.
What a joke.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 11, 2004, 06:24:24 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2004, 07:23:56 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 11, 2004, 07:54:08 PM
That doesn't make any f*cking sense. Does Roger Ebert think about how the public will accept a film when he reviews it? No. He uses his own opinion just like every credible movie reviewer. It should be the same for games. If the review is just what the gaming public likes why write a review. The game sales are then a proper way to gauge how "good" a game is.
If we go by what the gaming public will like then:
Madden 2005: 10
Madden 2006: 10
...
Madden 3534: 10
Pikmin 2: 5
Ikaruga: 1
Final Fantasy Anything: 10
Any other RPG: 2
A reviewer is supposed to give his own opinion because he is "supposed" to be well informed and have a good knowledge of games so that he can give an accurate view of a game's quality without allowing public opinion to affect the final review. Everyone knows that in regards to entertainment that just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good and tons of good stuff is completely ignored. The gaming public are ignorant boobs. Those of us who actually read reviews before buying a game want a real opinion. If you're not interested in Paper Mario 2 you're going to ignore the review anyway. Give the game a score that's relevant to those interested in the game.
Plus using the "gaming public" arguement every Cube game is going to get a low score because the gaming public plays mostly PS2.
All this explanation does it show that the review, and thus the entire magazine, is worthless.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2004, 08:28:07 PM
Post by: Urkel on October 11, 2004, 09:11:41 PM
This is the worst thing I've ever seen a gaming mag do. It tops all the stupid things EGM has done in the past few years. Only the wrath of Reggie can fix this situation.
I wonder if Billy will comment on this whole debacle.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2004, 09:21:51 PM
A few years back, GI published a poorly-scored review of Eternal Darkness a year before it came out, based on the E3 2001 build. BAH.
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 11, 2004, 09:29:48 PM
I remember that one.
You sure it was GI too?
Okay, I'm making sure never to read that magazine ever again.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 11, 2004, 09:50:05 PM
My disgust for GI didn't originate out of nowhere, I'll tell ya that.
Post by: ThePerm on October 12, 2004, 05:39:32 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 12, 2004, 09:22:40 AM
1. "Well-made" games do not deserve good reviews
2. Paper Mario will not appeal to many people
3. Paper Mario is for kids
4. Kids are not people
5. More people dislike than like games that are kiddie (that's why nobody plays Mario Kart or Pokemon, right?)
6. Reviews should be written for the Gaming Public, which doesn't include kids or anyone who likes games that are kiddie
7. If someone were to design a "well-made" game specifically for kids under the age of 10, it would deserve a low score.
But, thankfully....
8. It's still okay for the one or two million people that buy Paper Mario to have their own opinions. *Phew!*
Post by: soracloudtidus on October 12, 2004, 09:37:21 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
If we go by what the gaming public will like then:
Madden 2005: 10
Madden 2006: 10
...
Madden 3534: 10
Pikmin 2: 5
Ikaruga: 1
Final Fantasy Anything: 10
Any other RPG: 2
A reviewer is supposed to give his own opinion because he is "supposed" to be well informed and have a good knowledge of games so that he can give an accurate view of a game's quality without allowing public opinion to affect the final review. Everyone knows that in regards to entertainment that just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good and tons of good stuff is completely ignored. The gaming public are ignorant boobs. Those of us who actually read reviews before buying a game want a real opinion. If you're not interested in Paper Mario 2 you're going to ignore the review anyway. Give the game a score that's relevant to those interested in the game.
Plus using the "gaming public" arguement every Cube game is going to get a low score because the gaming public plays mostly PS2.
All this explanation does it show that the review, and thus the entire magazine, is worthless.
This is so true. Yesterday I was telling a friend of mine about gamespots review and all he told me was that everyones tired of mario that its just for kids and all people want was blood, blood and more blood. He started to compare it with Halo 2, MKD, and GTA:SA but can u really compare those games to a Mario game? Yes it's true that the general public has change but to me it's all mainstream advertising and Nintendo its guilty of not advertising thier games enough. MP was advertise for like what? 2 , 3 weeks? while GTA:VC was commercials have been on like forever. Back to the topic: I dont understand how GI score this game so low, I think the reviewers where on acid or something and now their inbox are loaded with rabid flaming emails.I like most of GI's reviews but this one was not the case.I really like to hear what's Billy's and the PGC staff take on this. Some mags are famous for giving previews of games and getting the game hype up and then bashing it to hell when the review comes out.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 12, 2004, 11:08:01 AM
First they complained that the graphics didn't look enough like real paper. They felt the graphics look too much like sprites. I question that as a bad thing. As a long time Mario fan I find that a sprite related look provides more nostalgia. A lot of the appeal of a title like Paper Mario 2 is to have a lot of references for the fans. If they're going to go to the trouble to make sure there are realistic paper physics then the might as well just make a cliche looking 3D game. Obviously Nintendo was going for a certain look.
Second they complained about the lack of voice acting. Again as a Mario fan I consider that a postive thing. Mario's voice irritates me. I liked it back when he didn't speak. So thus again this looks less like lazyness and more like a deliberate design. A silent Mario again has more nostalgia. Plus voice acting in English translations of Japanese games are usually terrible so why complain about their absence? If voice acting was included odds are people would complain that the voice acting sucked.
Not every game needs to have super realistic graphics and sound. Sometimes less is more and a game's graphics and sounds are intentionally "dated" for effect. Reviewers always seem to miss this. Graphics and sound should always be based on what the designer was trying to do and how close they came to it.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 12, 2004, 11:10:26 AM
Post by: Mario on October 12, 2004, 04:39:10 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 13, 2004, 09:00:10 AM
My frothing demand for this game increases...I couldn't find it last night, I'll have to check again today.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2004, 01:20:43 PM
(lol kiddy lol...There's some rather risque stuff if you pay attention)
Post by: Ian Sane on October 13, 2004, 01:25:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2004, 01:46:55 PM
(But really, I haven't been so wowed from a game since Wind Waker, and before that probably Super Mario 64)
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 13, 2004, 02:13:52 PM
Even better than Tales?
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 13, 2004, 02:37:45 PM
Post by: Dasmos on October 13, 2004, 11:04:11 PM
Post by: Y2J_Legend on October 13, 2004, 11:32:34 PM
Is this game as kiddy as it looks? ...I dont mean to sound like such a smart-@ss but it looks like a game that I might not want to show my friends.
I have played Superstar Saga and I did like it ...not LOVE it but like it.
Post by: Mario on October 14, 2004, 12:06:52 AM
Why wouldn't you want to show Paper Mario 2 to your friends? They sound immature, and if Paper Mario is "kiddy", then they'd feel right at home.
Post by: Deguello on October 14, 2004, 12:09:54 AM
WORDS... HURTING BRAIN....
Couldn't resist.
Post by: Dasmos on October 14, 2004, 01:11:21 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2004, 06:06:24 AM
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Originally posted by: Y2J_Legend
Is this game as kiddy as it looks? ...I dont mean to sound like such a smart-@ss but it looks like a game that I might not want to show my friends.
Grrrr, don't be such a wimp... >=(
But as I already said, there is quite a bit of stuff that I think is a bit much for "little kids"...
Post by: couchmonkey on October 14, 2004, 06:43:11 AM
As for the game being teh kiddiez... if your friends are too cool for anything but First Person Shooters and wrestling games, then yeah, you probably won't be bringing Paper Mario out for them to play. But if they're not too cool for Mario Kart, then they're not too cool for this either.
I'm jealous of you, Bill. I still can't find the game. *boo hoo*
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 14, 2004, 10:58:37 AM
(15 hours in when I just got the game around this time yesterday O_O)
Post by: vudu on October 15, 2004, 09:30:45 AM
does anyone else have this seal on their cover art?
the game hasn't been out that long, so i don't quite see how they could be on a second printing or even have enough sales data to proclaim it a best seller.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 15, 2004, 09:54:44 AM
does anyone else have this seal on their cover art?"
That's all I see in stores so it's probably the Canadian cover. This year NOC has gone crazy with ruining cover art. Most 2004 Cube titles say "New for 2004" on them in big ugly letters. I assume this is a similar thing though it makes even less sense since it's NOT a best seller. Not yet anyway.
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 17, 2004, 03:35:22 PM
. EDIT: Because of the Best Seller icon and how big it is the Nintendo logo and ESRB logo are shifted to the left side.
EDIT 2: The icon looks like a big non shiny oversized Official Nintendo Seal.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 17, 2004, 04:01:36 PM
(Game is BEST...Just before the final boss at the moment...Can't remember my time...Something like 26-28 hours perhaps?)
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on October 17, 2004, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: kennyb27 on October 17, 2004, 06:13:43 PM
Mine doesn't have that weird best-seller logo on the front. I've just got the Nintendo official seal on the front (and, of course, back) cover. Of course, I'm in Louisiana USA (far away from some of the Canadians on this board).
Post by: Urkel on October 18, 2004, 06:52:59 PM
As for it being a kiddie game... whatever. It's a Mario game. And I doubt that kids are going to understand most of the text anyway. PM2 has some of the most entertaining dialogue I've ever seen in a game, seriously. Keep in mind I said "entertaining", not "deep" or "melodramatic".
The game has a little more backtracking than I would like, and the side quests aren't very compelling. I would also like to see a difficulty setting added in any future sequels. Yes, I know there a badges you can equip to make the game more difficult, but self-imposed challenges are teh suXXor!!11oneoneoneoneone
And PM2 has the greatest line in a videogame, ever. "People don't trust a man that's always digging in his pockets."
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2004, 06:54:51 PM
Sounds like you need a cure for LAZY...
Post by: Urkel on October 18, 2004, 07:14:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 18, 2004, 07:46:55 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on October 19, 2004, 10:31:51 AM
Does anyone know where the victory music at the end of regular battles comes from? It haunts my dreams. It seems so familiar, but I can't recall the melody from other Mario games. The game is wonderful. I wish I had more time to play it!
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 19, 2004, 10:35:27 AM
Post by: vudu on October 19, 2004, 11:43:32 AM
Quotethat's a pretty bad argument. without the timed defense/attack the game becomes little more than an average RPG in terms of the battle system. the timed extras are required in order to make the battle system engaging, rather than a chore.
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
You can always avoid using timed defense...
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 19, 2004, 12:04:35 PM
Post by: Isaac on October 19, 2004, 12:50:31 PM
Post by: Deguello on October 19, 2004, 09:04:33 PM
And about difficulty... I have died several times in this game. I don't usually die in RPGs, since I can just level up a lot and win. Paper Mario 2 is actually the most difficult RPG I have ever played. This game actually requires that you PAY ATTENTION.
So it's great. And Game Informer can DiE.
Post by: couchmonkey on October 20, 2004, 09:33:57 AM
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2004, 03:54:31 PM
Example: I just finished chapter one and I'm wondering around Rougeport. There's a green rat who wants me to give him money so he can go find oil. If I choose not to give him any right now, can I still give him some later, or will he disappear after a while, and I'l never have the opportunity again? There's also a salesman in the main square who says that the badges he's selling are a limited time offer. If I don't buy them now, will they be gone for good?
Basically, I'm asking if there are any sidequests/badges/NPC's that I can completely miss? I'm trying not to use any sort of guide for this game, but I don't want to only be able to play 90% of it because I missed something early on.
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 20, 2004, 04:15:24 PM
Post by: vudu on October 20, 2004, 05:34:31 PM
Post by: nolimit19 on October 20, 2004, 08:41:25 PM
Post by: vudu on October 21, 2004, 12:45:01 PM
Post by: Urkel on October 22, 2004, 10:50:54 PM
I think it deserves to be pointed out that what your partners say during dialogue scenes varies from character to character. There's never any generic text that's shared by all your partners. That's really a staggering amount of text that had to be written, most of which you'll never read. Such attention to detail.
Let there be hot dogs!
Post by: Deguello on October 22, 2004, 11:03:46 PM
Post by: Hostile Creation on October 23, 2004, 03:28:25 PM
