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Title: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on July 22, 2009, 07:19:52 PM
Notes:

All games are available on Virtual Console for 800 Wii Points.

There are six options this time, because I had so many great nominations and couldn't trim the list anymore without losing a truly worthy choice for discussion.

Due to the larger set of options, I will probably allow the top two runners-up to return in the second chance poll for RA#10.

Feel free to use this thread for lobbying your fellow forum users and RFN listeners.

The next RetroActive after this will be a Genesis game, so get your nominations into the appropriate thread!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on July 22, 2009, 07:26:11 PM
Two more notes:

All three DKC games were suggested by various people. There were good arguments for putting each one in the poll, but obviously I had to choose just one. In the end, I went with the DKC 2 because it is generally considered to be the best, and the games are so similar that I didn't see the (potential) discussion being affected by any other discriminating factor.

I strongly considered DoReMi Fantasy but thought it might be uncompetitive due to the lack of name recognition. I might do a future RA poll with all import titles and include a lot of information and links so voters can research the candidates before voting.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 22, 2009, 07:56:57 PM
This is a tough choice actually, I think I'm going to hold off on voting for now.

It has been a while since last I played Super Mario World or Super Mario RPG, I wouldn't mind revisiting either one.

I've never played ActRaiser, Legend of the Mystical Ninja, or any of the Donkey Kong Country games but I've heard good things about them and this would be a good excuse to try them. The problem with Donkey Kong Country 2 is that I'd want to play the games in order... so I'd have to buy all three if that were chosen.

Ogre Battle is not an option for me, I hope it doesn't come to that one...

I just can't decide...
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on July 22, 2009, 07:58:45 PM
Lots of great choices here.

In fact, I'm actually playing Super Mario World right now.  ;D

I played Super Mario RPG for the first time last year.  I enjoyed it, but didn't think it was as great as everyone says it is.  I find the Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario games to be more enjoyable.

In the end, I'm going to have to go with ActRaiser.  I downloaded it last week but haven't had the chance to play it yet.  From what I understand it's an interesting game. 
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 22, 2009, 08:05:26 PM
Of the games on this list, I think that Ogre Battle and Mario RPG would probably elicit the most interesting discussion.  This crew's already talked a substantial bit about Actraiser and everyone's played Super Mario World to death.  In the end, I had to go wtih Mario RPG.  Just a warning to anyone considering Ogre Battle: know what you're in for because it is NOT an accessible game, certainly not as much as its N64 successor.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on July 22, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
I have to go with Super Mario RPG because it is my favorite game of all time.
If it happens to win, I could probably write a book on it in the discussion thread.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on July 22, 2009, 10:54:05 PM
I'm saddened to see Kirby's Dream Course didn't make the cut, but I still have a very difficult vote to cast. Mystical Ninja has me intrigued, since I've never played it, but I feel like we need to go with a game we *know* will be fun, and ninjas have let us down recently it seems.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: gojira on July 22, 2009, 11:56:03 PM
I voted for Actraiser because it's one of those games that everyone talks about that I've never played. 

I own Mario World and Mario RPG, so I'd play along with those.  I haven't played Mario RPG in a long time, so that would be interesting.  I've never enjoyed any of the other Mario RPGs ("papers" or "& lugis") as much as the snes one.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 23, 2009, 02:13:23 AM
I'm going with SMRPG because I think it could make for an interesting discussion considering the game was a unique hybrid for the time and it would make good comparison material to future Mario RPGesque games showing how it has evolved.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2009, 02:24:58 AM
I'm going with SMRPG because I think it could make for an interesting discussion considering the game was a unique hybrid for the time and it would make good comparison material to future Mario RPGesque games showing how it has evolved.

Or rather how it has de-evolved and gone in a completely different and less-interesting direction (from a design perspective.  The "Paper" idea was novel the first go-around.) since Mario RPG.  :rolleyes:  Sorry, I've played every Paper Mario game, and so far none of them have really been worthwhile games (despite Thousand Year door having a rather awesome final boss and Super Paper Mario having a novel idea with the 2D/3D perspective-flipping button).
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 03:48:05 AM
1. Thousand Year door having a rather awesome final boss
2. Super Paper Mario having a novel idea with the 2D/3D perspective-flipping button).
1. I hated that thing, it creeped me out.
2. Novel yes but still boring.

I'm saddened to see Kirby's Dream Course didn't make the cut.
I'm still looking to buy the game though. When I get it we could have our own little discussion about it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 23, 2009, 04:32:04 AM
I'm going with SMRPG because I think it could make for an interesting discussion considering the game was a unique hybrid for the time and it would make good comparison material to future Mario RPGesque games showing how it has evolved.

Or rather how it has de-evolved and gone in a completely different and less-interesting direction (from a design perspective.  The "Paper" idea was novel the first go-around.) since Mario RPG.  :rolleyes:  Sorry, I've played every Paper Mario game, and so far none of them have really been worthwhile games (despite Thousand Year door having a rather awesome final boss and Super Paper Mario having a novel idea with the 2D/3D perspective-flipping button).

I hate to do this, but I agree mostly with what you said. While I wouldn't say the Paper Mario games have de-volved I am disappointed in them as follow ups to Mario RPG which I adore. I think hte Mario and Luigi series has been far more innovative especially since a good enough player can almost beat a M&L game without getting hit, that is a pretty neat twist on the RPG formula.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2009, 04:35:37 AM
I'm going with SMRPG because I think it could make for an interesting discussion considering the game was a unique hybrid for the time and it would make good comparison material to future Mario RPGesque games showing how it has evolved.

Or rather how it has de-evolved and gone in a completely different and less-interesting direction (from a design perspective.  The "Paper" idea was novel the first go-around.) since Mario RPG.  :rolleyes:  Sorry, I've played every Paper Mario game, and so far none of them have really been worthwhile games (despite Thousand Year door having a rather awesome final boss and Super Paper Mario having a novel idea with the 2D/3D perspective-flipping button).

I hate to do this, but I agree mostly with what you said. While I wouldn't say the Paper Mario games have de-volved I am disappointed in them as follow ups to Mario RPG which I adore. I think hte Mario and Luigi series has been far more innovative especially since a good enough player can almost beat a M&L game without getting hit, that is a pretty neat twist on the RPG formula.

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga is the only worthy successor to Mario RPG, but it still lacks elements of its predecesor I really enjoyed.  It did have Geno, though, and that's always a plus...pity he's relegated to being a mini-game cameo because Nintendo doesn't own the rights to him (note to Nintendo: rectify this!  Geno kicks ass!).  It also had Fawful, and he had Fury.  Pity Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time was so awful and boring compared to its predecessor.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 04:40:27 AM
I hate this poll. Too many good options.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 23, 2009, 05:05:49 AM
I hate this poll. Too many good options.
I know. All these games are great. I went with Super Mario RPG.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 06:06:04 AM
I hate this poll. Too many good options.
I know. All these games are great. I went with Super Mario RPG.

:P I don't want that one.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 23, 2009, 07:30:12 AM
Donkey Kong Country 2 for sure.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 04:51:08 PM
Well, I decided to go with Mario World. I haven't played it in a long time, my sister could play that one with me as well, and I think it's time to go with a highly rated classic game. Most of the ones picked so far have been fairly recent games or old obscure games of varying quality and fun. Everyone should be able to enjoy Mario World. I guess we could also talk about what the series has retained over the years and try to peer into the future and predict what NSMBWii and Galaxy 2 will have from this game if anything.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on July 23, 2009, 05:07:15 PM
I have a feeling we're looking at a four-way tie.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 05:17:30 PM
Nah. I think it will be a close one between Mario World and Mario RPG with DCK2 coming in close behind that and ActRaiser after that. Black Queen and Mystical Ninja will not garner much support I suspect.

Let's make predictions!

1)Mario World   -13
2)Mario RPG      -12
3)DCK2            -9
4)ActRaiser       -8
5)Mystical Ninja  -3
6)Black Queen   -2

47 Votes total.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on July 23, 2009, 05:24:52 PM
You hear that, ActRaiser fans?  Stratos just insulted your mother!  STEP UP
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 05:26:46 PM
I think both 1&2 and 3&4 could be flipped around in my predictions. That's why I put them with only one vote apart.

What are your predictions, Vudu?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Patchkid15 on July 23, 2009, 05:41:02 PM
ActRaiser gets my vote. Out of all the titles chosen i believe ActRaiser could produce the most interesting discussions, i downloaded this early on and played through it quickly, the gameplay is fast and fun.

If i got a second vote it would go to Donkey Kong Country 2, because that is one of the games of my childhood.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on July 23, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
What are your predictions, Vudu?

I have a feeling we're looking at a four-way tie.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: jrlibrarian on July 23, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
I want to eventually play most of these games, but because of my lack of a Wii, I went with Mario World. I am currently playing it on GBA, and I am at the castle of the Chocolate World.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: kraken613 on July 23, 2009, 06:00:58 PM
I voted Super Mario World because I don't remember the last time I played it and it will be easy to just pick up and play it throughout the week. This will be the first RetroActive I play, that depends on the game though...
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: jrlibrarian on July 23, 2009, 06:01:29 PM
*Edited message deleted by user* Sorry about that.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 23, 2009, 06:03:33 PM
I think whoever voted for Ninja Spirit should be disqualified.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2009, 06:06:22 PM
Anyway, I might have to play the winner through (as Broodwars puts it) alternative methods. I have a pretty good gaming computer, and already have emulators for the old systems (2600 and others). It won't be that hard to find something that will work. If anyone knows of a reliable and virus-free SNES emulator, could you please tell me?

Just a warning, but I don't think you're allowed to ask that here.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
I think whoever voted for Ninja Spirit should be disqualified.

I think people who threaten and strong-arm others into voting a certain way via PM should be disqualified for interfering with the vote and obstructing democracy from taking it's course.

If anyone knows of a reliable and virus-free SNES emulator, could you please tell me?

Yeah, a Super Nintendo Entertainment System is a great one that will play every SNES game out there.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: kraken613 on July 23, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
I think whoever voted for Ninja Spirit should be disqualified.

Agreed, Cho Aniki should have won. I am waiting for Lindy's strike so we play it!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2009, 06:11:21 PM
I think whoever voted for Ninja Spirit should be disqualified.

Agreed, Cho Aniki should have won. I am waiting for Lindy's strike so we play it!

I am really looking forward to Lindy announcing on the next podcast that "this is Week 1 of Cho An-Strikey!" (or something to that effect)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 08:19:12 PM
Well, I've narrowed down my vote to two choices.

Donkey Kong Country 2, because I'm going to get them all anyway and it would be nice to discuss it when I do.

Super Mario RPG, because it's been a while since last I played it.

The great thing about this poll though is that all but one of the games on it is fairly cheap.

Who wants to buy my vote?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 08:26:37 PM
Why not Super Mario World, Mop it up?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 08:30:02 PM
I was considering it but I've played it way too much. It wouldn't be as interesting as something I've never played (and therefore could offer a fresh perspective of) or an RPG with vastly differing successors.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Crimm on July 23, 2009, 08:39:48 PM
I don't think we need to retun to ActRaiser on RFN.  We have covered this game extensively, and this is coming from a major fan.

SMW: done to death.  I'd much rather do something unique and new.
SMRPG: I always thought this was over-rated as a game.
DCK#: Long established as being over-rated.

Ogre Battle: OH LOOK!  NEW AND EXCITING! 
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 08:44:11 PM
Ogre Battle: OH LOOK!  NEW AND EXCITING! 
Expensive and sounds really boring, admittedly inaccessible by the one who nominated it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
There is always Mystical Ninja.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
I could actually get behind that one. The two Mystical Ninja games on the Nintendo 64 are both pretty good, though I've heard that they're better than the Super NES one. But there's only one way to find out!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 23, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
Ogre Battle: OH LOOK!  NEW AND EXCITING! 
Expensive and sounds really boring, admittedly inaccessible by the one who nominated it.

I think I was quite explicit in the nominations thread that I was against Ogre Battle getting into one of these polls, and that if we were to nominate a game in the series it would have to be the Nintendo 64 iteration that basically takes everything the original did and makes it playable.  But it's here now so I guess that's one of its strikes down the drain.  Only 2 more and you won't ever have to complain worry about it ever again.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 23, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
Wait, so you were the one who nominated it even though you DIDN'T want it on the poll?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 09:13:44 PM
Did I technically nominate it, then?

~Edit
DrewMG technically nominated it. Also two other people as well. Neither Broodwars or myself did from the looks of things.

~Edit 2
Breath of Fire II: I always wanted to play this game.

Ogre Battle: Same reason.


Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen - In honor of Ogre Battle 64 getting mentioned as a "top 3" game in the podcast, why not explore this deep strategy game to see how it holds up today?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Crimm on July 23, 2009, 09:43:24 PM
I also nominated it.  It isn't "inaccessable."  At least I didn't think so.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 23, 2009, 11:45:39 PM
Really? I thought that was a sarcastic please like you were writing it off. Interesting.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 24, 2009, 12:13:18 AM
Donkey Kong Country 2 is one of my favorite games, I'd never played it until it came out on the VC but now I love it. I like it a lot more than Super Mario RPG but I think that would give a lot better discussion so I went with that. I hope World doesn't win or else I might alienate everyone here with my hatred of that game.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 24, 2009, 12:29:00 AM
Donkey Kong Country 2 is one of my favorite games, I'd never played it until it came out on the VC but now I love it. I like it a lot more than Super Mario RPG but I think that would give a lot better discussion so I went with that. I hope World doesn't win or else I might alienate everyone here with my hatred of that game.

Naw, I think it would be a good discussion point. We've already had a few good conversations in both the Galaxy 2 thread and the NSMBWii thread about your dislike of World. Conflict breeds better discussion and understanding. Would be rather boring if everyone was all "It's a good game, yay".
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on July 24, 2009, 01:51:11 AM
I'm sorry you have to play the GBA version of that game. The gameplay is fine--I kind of like the differences between Mario and Luigi they added--but the music was totally botched.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 24, 2009, 02:10:03 AM
I hope World doesn't win or else I might alienate everyone here with my hatred of that game.
I don't know, sometimes it can be fun to spit in the face of popular opinion. It's certainly a unique experience unlike any other.

Wii Play > SSBBrawl
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TofuFury on July 24, 2009, 02:32:40 AM
I voted for Super Mario World as it's one of the few in the list I own (along with SMRPG and DKC2). It's one of my favorite SNES titles, and I think it can get overshadowed by SMB3.

Either way, I look forward to hearing discussion on any of the listed games.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: jrlibrarian on July 24, 2009, 12:59:42 PM
I'm sorry you have to play the GBA version of that game. The gameplay is fine--I kind of like the differences between Mario and Luigi they added--but the music was totally botched.

Yeah, some of the secret levels at the end are better played with Luigi. I usually mute my DS, so the music differences don't really bother me.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: ejamer on July 24, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
All the games look good this time around, so it's really tough to vote.

I really am interested to play Orge Battle, but don't know if I have enough time for another SRPG title (still working through Fire Emblem on the GBA).

Super Mario RPG would be full of win because I never finished that game back in the day, but I'm also trying to get through an old GameCube RPG right now and don't have time for both.

In the end I voted for Mystical Ninja because it's fast and silly, and has decent two-player options.  Not the best game on the list, but I think there could be some decent discussion around it.

Regardless of what game gets picked, I think I'll try to actually play along and discuss this time.



Oh, and for the record I voted Bonk last time.  Probably the most underrated system mascot ever!  Ninja Spirit didn't appeal to me at all...  ;)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: adadad on July 25, 2009, 11:37:50 AM
Mystical Ninja I do have already but got frustrated with it and never finished it. I wouldn't mind returning as I can't remember what made me quit and never return. Having said that I'm reluctant to vote for it as I'd rather waste my own time finding out what annoyed me rather than vote that people shell out money on a game that frustrated me to the point of no return!

I feel as though this is going to be a 3 way contest between SMRPG, SMW and Mystical Ninja, and I think I'm going to vote for SMRPG which I've never played before. Actually can anyone tell me, roughly how long will it take a first timer (though I have played the subsequent Paper Mario games) to complete SMRPG?

Super Mario World is one of my least favourite Mario games but everyone seems to love it so I would be entirely unsurprised if that won it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on July 25, 2009, 05:03:55 PM
I'd say SMRPG takes about 30 hours, give or take for sidequests and exploration. But I don't remember there being all that many sidequeststs....I'm bad at finding sidequests, though.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 25, 2009, 05:11:03 PM
There aren't very many sidequests, just a few side things you can do here and there but the game is pretty straightforward. 30 hours seems a bit high of an estimation though; the game seems somewhat short to me, even for a Super NES RPG. Though it's been too long since my first play though and the game doesn't have a timer so I've never timed it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 25, 2009, 05:16:19 PM

Super Mario World is one of my least favourite Mario games but everyone seems to love it so I would be entirely unsurprised if that won it.

Reinforcements!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on July 25, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
SMW losing isn't the end of the world, since that means SMB3 is more likely to be part of a RetroActive poll.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
There aren't very many sidequests, just a few side things you can do here and there but the game is pretty straightforward. 30 hours seems a bit high of an estimation though; the game seems somewhat short to me, even for a Super NES RPG. Though it's been too long since my first play though and the game doesn't have a timer so I've never timed it.

I just replayed it about a week ago, and I'd be shocked if it took me more than 10-15 hours or so and I did all the sidequests (hell, Culex alone probably took me at least 30 minutes -> an hour to beat, and I had the Lazy Shell armor and everything.  I also went through Bowser's Keep twice to get all the items.).  It's not as long a game as we all remember, though still awesome.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 25, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
That's a replay though, I think TheYoungerPlumber's quote was for one's first time through. I'd think a first run would be around 20-25 hours depending on whether or not you like to take your time.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 26, 2009, 06:00:15 AM
That's a replay though, I think TheYoungerPlumber's quote was for one's first time through. I'd think a first run would be around 20-25 hours depending on whether or not you like to take your time.

I beat it in a week borrowing it from a friend. This was a school week so I had limited time per day to play. I'll say 20-hours tops for doing everything 100% Because I probably got 15 hours tops in those 7 days of playing it to finish the story.

'Course, I also got to the final dungeon of Link to the Past in a very similar time frame as I borrowed that from the same friend the week before or after Mario RPG. So how may hours does it take to finish ALttP?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2009, 09:45:09 AM
That's a replay though, I think TheYoungerPlumber's quote was for one's first time through. I'd think a first run would be around 20-25 hours depending on whether or not you like to take your time.

There's not really an over-world that you can explore.  It's setup a lot like M&L: Partners in Time.  When you complete one area you open up a new one on a selectable map.

It's impossible to get lost, so I don't think playing it for the first time would dramatically increase the time it takes to beat it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 26, 2009, 02:25:11 PM
Like I said, it depends on the type of player you are. If you're trying to rush through it then it'd probably be around 15 hours for your first time. If you take your time and enjoy the sights then it would take a lot longer. It also depends on your skill.

Really I hate the question of "How long will this take?" because there are too many variables.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: adadad on July 26, 2009, 10:14:03 PM
Ok thanks guys, I only asked as my playtime is going to be quite limited in the next month, but thankfully SMRPG doesn't sound too epic as far as RPGs go, especially as I don't tend to overly take my time.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: AV on July 27, 2009, 04:14:40 PM
ActRaiser FTW !!

I heard so much about this game. I'm tempted to buy it and try it out but its so odd I'm not sure if i'll enjoy it. i want you guys thoughts.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: adadad on July 27, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
ActRaiser FTW !!

I heard so much about this game. I'm tempted to buy it and try it out but its so odd I'm not sure if i'll enjoy it. i want you guys thoughts.

It's been talked about several times now on the podcast and every time the verdict is the same! Buy it. It is very good.

Yours sincerely,
The Podcast and Me
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2009, 06:51:16 PM
ActRaiser is interesting in that none of its parts by themselves are horribly good but it is the whole package that makes it unique.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 27, 2009, 08:20:55 PM
SUPER MARIO WORLD

Best game on that list and one that every Mario fan or platformer fan should play. IMO it is THE best 2D Mario game. I think everyone should play the game. I have beat the game 100% many times, but would love a reason to play it again. I think this would also provide for a big discussion here.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Crimm on July 27, 2009, 09:24:06 PM
Really? I thought that was a sarcastic please like you were writing it off. Interesting.

Like I've said, I hold Ogre Battle 64 in the highest esteem.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Bboy on July 29, 2009, 02:35:18 AM
I'm praying for DKC2, because it was the second game I ever beat. If it wins I'll definitely break out the SNES and cartridge. DKC2, probably partly due to nostalgia, is one of my top ten games ever.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on July 29, 2009, 05:26:52 AM
The suspense is killing me! But we have another week to wait for the poll to close. It's times like this I wish the poll was visible... :P
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on July 29, 2009, 09:14:02 AM
Actually, I think it would have been interesting to see an all Mario-game poll.  If SMW doesn't win, I'd like to see it up against SMB3, just to see which one would win out. :P

I'll be satisfied regardless of which game wins this poll.  It's a shame that only two runners up will appear in a future poll.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on July 30, 2009, 01:29:46 AM
I finally decided to go with Super Mario RPG since then I won't have to actually play the game to join in on the discussion.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Pale on July 30, 2009, 05:42:48 PM
Is this poll still going?  I went with Actraiser because I have never played it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 30, 2009, 06:24:52 PM
It goes till August 6th Pale.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Nick DiMola on July 30, 2009, 07:57:19 PM
Actraiser rocks, even if it doesn't win you should still play it. I played it for the first time a couple years ago and I was blown away by how unique and interesting it was, especially when you consider its age.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on July 31, 2009, 09:26:58 PM
ActRaiser is interesting in that none of its parts by themselves are horribly good but it is the whole package that makes it unique.

I disagree on one point -- the music is fantastic.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 01, 2009, 11:53:48 PM
Actraiser rocks, even if it doesn't win you should still play it. I played it for the first time a couple years ago and I was blown away by how unique and interesting it was, especially when you consider its age.

WHile I respect the view of people liking the game, it got a big meh from me when I played it. Though it was probably more do the extreme hype for the game then anything. The side scrolling parts weren't anything amazing, and the simcityish stuff was decent but felt archaic. It is definitely worth trying but I'm not sure I see what the huge deal is with it, hardly any of its parts are that amazing. The music is fantastic though, so I agree with Jonny on that.

At least I can say whatever game wins I don't see one that will be a major disappointment and can lead to some interesting discussion (Well except for maybe Ogre battle). Also I have previously bought all of these games, so that makes it easy for me regardless of what wins!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: BwrJim! on August 02, 2009, 12:45:47 AM
actraiser!!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on August 02, 2009, 01:06:46 AM
Are we supposed to be able to see the poll results right now?  So far it looks like a photo finish between Mario World and Mario RPG with Actraiser pulling up a close 3rd.  Go Mario RPG!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: BwrJim! on August 02, 2009, 11:29:34 AM
Actraiser archaic.. eheh thats funny..   There are many things that made that game what it was, from the different gameplay types to the epic music.  One of the joys was trying to maximize your villages potential, then some great fights with great decending music.  A god turned flesh to vanquish the evil in the land.  Good times.  Oh and it was put together just right, a formula that has been attempted at copying, but never has been done correctly.   

As for its archaic, keep in mind, these elements didn't exist back in the day, at least not in a single form.  Good times all around.  You dont have to like it, but I do for it charms and gameplay.  Of course there are some other classics that not many people played as well, like The 7th Saga and Brain Lord.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 02, 2009, 01:09:11 PM
Anybody who hasn't voted yet, I urge you to vote for the best game in this poll: Super Mario World. It's one of the best games ever made, it's one that anybody can play, and it still holds up today (which I can't say for Super Mario RPG and it's dated looks). It's a game everyone would be able to play and we could get a lot of discussion about it. Hell, I bet there are a lot of people here who could discuss the game without even buying the VC version because they may have played it on the SNES or GBA.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 02, 2009, 01:33:50 PM
Are we supposed to be able to see the poll results right now?  So far it looks like a photo finish between Mario World and Mario RPG with Actraiser pulling up a close 3rd.  Go Mario RPG!

No. Our forum poll code is a mess -- if you adjust the end time, it resets the results viewing option because that TOTALLY makes sense! Anyway, fixed now. Hope you enjoyed the glimpse, but I think it's much better when people vote blindly.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on August 02, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Hope you enjoyed the glimpse, but I think it's much better when people vote blindly.

Yet everyone else seems to disagree.  ;D
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on August 02, 2009, 03:51:04 PM
Bah Goemon definitely isn't going to win. Go ActRaiser!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: gojira on August 02, 2009, 04:24:04 PM
Hope you enjoyed the glimpse, but I think it's much better when people vote blindly.

Yet everyone else seems to disagree.  ;D

I prefer the blind vote.  People vote for games they want to win, not games they think will win.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: vudu on August 02, 2009, 04:53:32 PM
Quiet you.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: SkiDragon on August 02, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
I went for Donkey Kong Country 2 because it is the only one that I own, haven't finished, and want to finish. It also reminded me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIed0kUh57w
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Dirk Temporo on August 02, 2009, 11:54:13 PM
Nuts to all you. Ogre Battle was the best game on the SNES.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Cambot on August 03, 2009, 03:32:49 AM
Aw, let's pick Legend of the Mystical Ninja. There are so many odd and hilarious things in that game. It would be an awesome discussion.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 03, 2009, 03:55:24 AM
Hearing that tidbit of news just made the poll more exciting.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: noname2200 on August 03, 2009, 10:22:27 PM
I've been listening to the podcast for a while (great job by the way!) but I joined just to vote for Ogre Battle, a truly underappreciated gem. That said, I'd be happy with any of those titles; you know things are going well when the weakest title on your list is ActRaiser.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 03, 2009, 11:12:10 PM
Welcome to the forums, noname!

I like Ogre Battle as well, but I chose not to vote for it because of the inaccessibility of the game. I don't think a lot of the people here would appreciate it in the same light. And considering I was one of the bigger supporters of Ninja Spirit I don't want to take a risk like that a second time in a row.

Random fact: did you know that the word 'nemo' is Latin for 'nobody'? So I could give you the nickname 'Nemo' since you have no name. What say you? ;)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_Neal on August 03, 2009, 11:13:24 PM
To me, this poll is the opposite of Alien vs. Predator. Whoever wins, we all win.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 03, 2009, 11:17:14 PM
To me, this poll is the opposite of Alien vs. Predator. Whoever wins, we all win.

I'll drink to that. (Pepsi that is, to get more free points to get the games... ;D)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on August 04, 2009, 10:26:11 AM
It's a little sad to know that there are so many awesome games in one poll.  I'd hate to see any of these to become ineligible for future polls.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: noname2200 on August 04, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
Welcome to the forums, noname!

I like Ogre Battle as well, but I chose not to vote for it because of the inaccessibility of the game. I don't think a lot of the people here would appreciate it in the same light. And considering I was one of the bigger supporters of Ninja Spirit I don't want to take a risk like that a second time in a row.

Random fact: did you know that the word 'nemo' is Latin for 'nobody'? So I could give you the nickname 'Nemo' since you have no name. What say you? ;)
Thanks!

You're absolutely right that the game is anything but friendly (how many important things, such as the Alignment system, go completely unexplained?) but I've always thought of the game as the digital version of dating the head cheerleader; it's intimidating and occasionally very frustrating, but once you get the hang of it it's well worth it. I'd just like it if more people would take the chance to play this title, since I know that a lot of people would fall in love with the series.

The fact that more purchases of this game heightens the chance for the 64 version's release is merely a happy coincidence.  ;D

As for the nickname, fire away! It's certainly more dignified than having random digits for my last name.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 04, 2009, 01:08:47 PM
It's a little sad to know that there are so many awesome games in one poll.  I'd hate to see any of these to become ineligible for future polls.

This is the first appearance of all of these games. It'll be a long time before any of these becomes ineligible.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: ejamer on August 04, 2009, 01:10:56 PM
It will be interesting to see what happens in this poll...  Sounds like a my favorite quirky game isn't going to get enough love, but the Goemon series must be used to that by now.

I agree with others who say that there is no real losing pick this time around.  Super Mario World is probably the game I'm least interested in... but that's just because it's been played through so many times before.
 :D
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 04, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
I think Jonny mentioned that he is considering an 'import poll' down the road and that Geomon stands a good chance of being on it. Am I right, Jonny?

I'd probably vote for Geomon on that poll. Though there are a couple other ones that interest me so we'll just have to wait and see what makes the list.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: King of Twitch on August 04, 2009, 06:22:01 PM
Also I have previously bought all of these games, so that makes it easy for me regardless of what wins!

Is your dixie icon a hint of which one you want to win? If yes, I will join you.

--never mind, i see you want SMRPG to win
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Crimm on August 05, 2009, 12:16:28 AM
I've always thought that these discussions are more fun when the game is new to the majority of us.  Nobody is going to have initial reactions to Super Mario World, and often times that first week and then the evolution of their feelings on the second week are interesting.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 05, 2009, 05:08:08 AM
Good point, Crimm. I tend to want to gravitate towards ones I haven't tried as well, but I think my 'responsibility' over Ninja Spirit winning last time guilted me into choosing a safe one this time.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 05, 2009, 11:55:27 AM
I voted for Super Mario World because it has been at least ten years since I played it, and because I think it's probably the weirdest Mario game (even more than SMB2 USA).
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Athena Asamiya on August 05, 2009, 12:11:30 PM
Legend of Mystical Ninja is one of my all time favorite games!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 05, 2009, 03:18:53 PM
I voted for Super Mario World because it has been at least ten years since I played it, and because I think it's probably the weirdest Mario game (even more than SMB2 USA).

Really? How so? Maybe it's just our different backgrounds but I never found World to be terribly weird. Maybe I was just one of those children who accepted things as they were blindly and so I played World and allowed it to imprint on me as normal so now there isn't a second thought about it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Bboy on August 05, 2009, 04:17:21 PM
I'm going back and playing DKC2 now anyways. Man I love this game.
I haven't played World in a really long time though, so I wouldn't mind if it wins.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2009, 12:02:16 AM
I voted for Super Mario World because it has been at least ten years since I played it, and because I think it's probably the weirdest Mario game (even more than SMB2 USA).

Really? How so? Maybe it's just our different backgrounds but I never found World to be terribly weird. Maybe I was just one of those children who accepted things as they were blindly and so I played World and allowed it to imprint on me as normal so now there isn't a second thought about it.

Maybe he's talking about the fact that Goombas look like acorns in the game, or some of the odd enemies and levels (especially what happens to certain enemies after you manage to defeat the special stages). That made me love it even more. I urge any last minute voters to pick Super Mario World.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 06, 2009, 01:10:53 AM
I voted for Super Mario World because it has been at least ten years since I played it, and because I think it's probably the weirdest Mario game (even more than SMB2 USA).

Really? How so? Maybe it's just our different backgrounds but I never found World to be terribly weird. Maybe I was just one of those children who accepted things as they were blindly and so I played World and allowed it to imprint on me as normal so now there isn't a second thought about it.

Maybe he's talking about the fact that Goombas look like acorns in the game, or some of the odd enemies and levels (especially what happens to certain enemies after you manage to defeat the special stages). That made me love it even more. I urge any last minute voters to pick Super Mario World.

I completely forgot about the special world transformation. Yeah, World was tweaked out.
Vote for it! It is teh awersomeness!
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 06, 2009, 08:57:46 PM
Super Mario World just barely won, but it won. :)

In a future poll I wouldn't mind voting for Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheYoungerPlumber on August 06, 2009, 10:13:29 PM
This was an amazingly close vote--I was really on the edge of my seat watching this one. Every game had a chance of winning this time--there was even a real competition for 3rd place for a while. I'm *shocked* at how ActRaiser came up from behind.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Bboy on August 06, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
Ah well, I guess I haven't played SMW in a long time, and it's not as if I won't enjoy it.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: TheFleece on August 07, 2009, 12:08:55 AM
I haven't played Super Mario World in a real long time. I've been playing good deal of older games lately- I beat Wind Waker this morning so this fits in great with me. I'll play along  8)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Dasmos on August 07, 2009, 01:14:46 AM
Super Mario World is my favourite game of all-time. Awesome.

Probably gonna bust out my SNES again to play it how it was originally meant to be played.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 07, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
Well at least it is a great game. Too bad I've played the game 50 bazillion times and don't want to play it again right now.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 07, 2009, 03:05:46 AM
Wow. 76 people voted. That's amazing.

So Actraiser and Mario RPG will carry on in another poll. I'm glad Mario World won. And I just found all of those missing cords to my old systems when cleaning out my room and stuff packed in the garage when I moved back in. So I should be all over this.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Bboy on August 07, 2009, 03:15:56 AM
Just downloaded it, and I think I might actually have to buy a classic controller, I've been fine using gamecube up until now. But it makes it nearly impossible to run.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on August 07, 2009, 03:29:06 AM
So, Mario World won, huh?  Sorry, but even though I did buy the game on the VC I played the original so many times I really don't want to go back and play it again now.  I'll look forward to hearing the RFN crew discuss it, I suppose.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on August 07, 2009, 03:30:28 AM
So, Mario World won, huh?  Sorry, but even though I did buy the game on the VC I played the original so many times I really don't want to go back and play it again now.  I'll look forward to hearing the RFN crew discuss it, I suppose.

Yeah me and Brood agree again.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: broodwars on August 07, 2009, 03:45:11 AM
So, Mario World won, huh?  Sorry, but even though I did buy the game on the VC I played the original so many times I really don't want to go back and play it again now.  I'll look forward to hearing the RFN crew discuss it, I suppose.

Yeah me and Brood agree again.

I have a feeling bad things are going to happen if we keep doing that.   ;)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 07, 2009, 06:07:02 AM
It's like an omen when you two agree on something.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 07, 2009, 09:31:27 AM
I picked a bad time to start participating in this thing.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on August 07, 2009, 10:16:54 AM
SMW is not the game I voted for, but It should be an interesting Retroactive discussion.  I'm exicted about this one.   
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: noname2200 on August 07, 2009, 11:05:54 AM
I'm going to credit my vote for Ogre Battle tying for last place, rather than being solidly in last as I initially expected.

Time to find and dust off the old Super Mario World cart.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 07, 2009, 01:38:46 PM
Lame.

Super Mario World has already been discussed to death, both positively and negatively, so this can't possibly be any more interesting than any one of the other games on the poll. I doubt I'll be playing the game, though I might still join in on the discussion (which will likely be copy/paste of things I've said on other forums).

I think it's probably the weirdest Mario game (even more than SMB2 USA).
I couldn't disagree with that more. Super Mario World might have a few oddities here and there but it still features the same conventions and enemies as all other main Mario games released before and after it. Super Mario Brothers 2 is a battle for Mario's subconscious, it doesn't have Bowser in it whatsoever, Peach and Toad are playable characters, and the enemies include masked shy soldiers, flying masks, walking bombs, egg-spitting transsexual dinosaurs, mobile cacti, inflated ego mice, etc.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Sundoulos on August 07, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
It's interesting that every game in the poll had a respectable (and nearly dead-even)amount of support.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 07, 2009, 02:23:15 PM
I'm not too surprised by that. This is the first time we've had all good/unique games on the poll.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: yoshi1001 on August 07, 2009, 08:00:14 PM
So if SMW won, why is SMRPG bolded?
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 07, 2009, 08:37:10 PM
So if SMW won, why is SMRPG bolded?

Because that's the one you voted for.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: yoshi1001 on August 07, 2009, 09:21:29 PM
So if SMW won, why is SMRPG bolded?

Because that's the one you voted for.

Now I know how James feels. ;)
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Dasmos on August 08, 2009, 05:42:27 AM
Super Mario Brothers 2 is a battle for Mario's subconscious, it doesn't have Bowser in it whatsoever, Peach and Toad are playable characters, and the enemies include masked shy soldiers, flying masks, walking bombs, egg-spitting transsexual dinosaurs, mobile cacti, inflated ego mice, etc.

Super Mario Bros. 2 is barely a Mario game though. It wasn't designed as one, it was just forced into one.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 08, 2009, 02:57:34 PM
Super Mario Brothers 2 is a battle for Mario's subconscious, it doesn't have Bowser in it whatsoever, Peach and Toad are playable characters, and the enemies include masked shy soldiers, flying masks, walking bombs, egg-spitting transsexual dinosaurs, mobile cacti, inflated ego mice, etc.
Super Mario Bros. 2 is barely a Mario game though. It wasn't designed as one, it was just forced into one.
It was designed by the same person though so it is an honourary Mario game.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 08, 2009, 04:47:49 PM
Super Mario Brothers 2 is a battle for Mario's subconscious, it doesn't have Bowser in it whatsoever, Peach and Toad are playable characters, and the enemies include masked shy soldiers, flying masks, walking bombs, egg-spitting transsexual dinosaurs, mobile cacti, inflated ego mice, etc.
Super Mario Bros. 2 is barely a Mario game though. It wasn't designed as one, it was just forced into one.
It was designed by the same person though so it is an honourary Mario game.

So Pikmin, Zelda, Donkey Kong and others are honorary Mario Games? 0_o
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 08, 2009, 10:04:02 PM
Super Mario Brothers 2 is a battle for Mario's subconscious, it doesn't have Bowser in it whatsoever, Peach and Toad are playable characters, and the enemies include masked shy soldiers, flying masks, walking bombs, egg-spitting transsexual dinosaurs, mobile cacti, inflated ego mice, etc.
Super Mario Bros. 2 is barely a Mario game though. It wasn't designed as one, it was just forced into one.
It was designed by the same person though so it is an honourary Mario game.

So Pikmin, Zelda, Donkey Kong and others are honorary Mario Games? 0_o
Is that a serious question? Of course they aren't because they don't have Mario in them! Doki Doki Panic is a platformer created by the same person who created Mario. I don't think it is any coincidence that it became a Mario game and its characters transitioned into subsequent Mario releases.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Dasmos on August 09, 2009, 01:11:21 AM
They were only transitioned after a long time though, we didn't see ShyGuy's again until SMW2:YI and Birdo never appeared in another Mario game apart from spin-offs.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
We did see Bob-ombs in Super Mario Brothers 3 though, and the Ninji was in Super Mario World.

It doesn't really matter though because Jonnyboy117's opinion stands either way.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 09, 2009, 04:10:46 AM
Maybe we should have an all Mario-game poll in the future. That would be rather interesting.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 09, 2009, 04:45:23 PM
There are too many games for an all-Mario poll. It would have to be sectioned off into 2D platformers, 3D platformers, etc.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 10, 2009, 05:21:58 PM
I was thinking more of the 'main-line' Mario games. So Mario Brothers, Super Mario Brothers, SMB2, SMB3, Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, New SMB (World wouldn't be on it because that already won).
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 10, 2009, 05:33:23 PM
Don't forget Super Mario Galaxy. And if you're including New Super Mario Brothers then you have to include Super Mario Land 1 and 2 as well.

That's ten games. All polls thus far have had five.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2009, 05:41:21 AM
I forgot Galaxy on purpose because of how recent it is and I've gotten the feeling that a number of people here suffered Galaxy burnout. We can't have them all.

OK, how's this for a list:

SMB2
SMB3
Mario 64
Sunshine
NSMB

We can have a separate poll for handheld games.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 11, 2009, 06:26:12 PM
If Super Mario Galaxy is too new then why isn't New Super Mario Brothers too new? It was released only a year before Galaxy. Maybe there should be a "no current systems" rule because otherwise the games which would be excluded would be chosen arbitrarily. I'd put the original Super Mario Brothers on the list instead.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2009, 06:31:27 PM
NSMB came out in 05, right? And Galaxy came out in 07 I thought. Two years. Plus I am concerned with how long Galaxy is compared to the other games. Plus with Galaxy 2 on the horizon, it feels redundant to have Galaxy 1 on there...though I guess the same could be said about NSMB since the Wii one is coming sooner than Galaxy 2.

I guess SMB, SMB2, SMB3, 64 and Sunshine would be a good set.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Mop it up on August 11, 2009, 06:37:43 PM
New Super Mario Brothers was released over the summer of 2006. And it is currently selling at a faster rate than Super Mario Galaxy so it may be even more fresh on people's minds.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Stratos on August 11, 2009, 06:38:46 PM
Except I'm sure close to none of those sales are from people on this site or from listeners of the 'cast.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: King of Twitch on August 11, 2009, 07:27:51 PM
Sunshine is probably the only one I wouldn't blow through in 2 days, plus the summer theme would be fitting right nowandheythisisn'tthenominationthread
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: Jonnyboy117 on August 12, 2009, 02:05:57 AM
James is already bitching enough about having to play Super Mario World. I don't think the crew could handle another Mario game; it'll be a major effort just to convince them to look at SMW with fresh, critical eyes. Hopefully we'll peel back some layers as we did for Zelda 2.
Title: Re: RetroActive #8 Poll - SNES Edition
Post by: D_Average on August 12, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
I don't think I've played SMW since I beat it after buying my SNES.  It'll be interesting to run through this one again.  All I remember is I found it quite a bit easier than Mario 3.