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Title: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Soren on August 06, 2016, 04:16:08 PM
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Sure, teh b-ball doesn't get the love around these parts as other sports. We don't have our fearless leader talking about the Milwaukee Bucks on Twitter. Or get bonus segments on podcasts like hockey does. But who cares. This thread is all about celebrating our love for the roundball. Cue the music!


Even after losing a crushing 7 games series, and with their MVP/human cheat code Stephen Curry playing below his ungodly self during the Finals the Warriors are still far and away the favorite to win the 2016-17 NBA Championship. Not only do they boast the core of Curry, human microwave Klay Thompson, habitual nut puncher Draymond Green and all around old guy Andre Iguadola but they've made a few notable additions.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/3bd52cee4a2857389560f0aad9f3005caeee190b/0_154_3665_2200/master/3665.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=3673c87bb9eb43ccd64f231e71748bb1)
An MVP going to a fully stacked team seems unfair, but there's fair question to how Durant will mesh with the rest of the offense, and how shots will be distributed from now on. There's also the question of depth and avoiding injury. Also, we need centers. But never fear because...

We also have Zaza Pachulia! The man who's biggest claim to fame is the video above. In addition he was nearly voted to the All-Star game this year thanks to the votes from his home country of Georgia.

Need more reason to root for this super team? Well, you'll certainly love the hijinks of one JaVale Lindy McGee! Don't know who he is? Check out this "highlight" reel!

In addition to all that glorious talent we also have your usual assortment of unabashed ring chasers (David West), scrappy guys off the bench (Shaun Livingston, Anderson Varejao), scrubs (James Michael McAdoo, Ian Clark, Kevon Looney) and rookies who fell into a golden opportunity but will never play (Damian Jones, Patrick McCaw).

So what are you waiting for? Come join the hype train! Warriors always come out to play!
(https://assets.entrepreneur.com/content/16x9/822/20160212200956-golden-state-warriors-nba.jpeg)
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Adrock on August 06, 2016, 04:53:42 PM
The Warriors replaced an unreliable Harrison Barnes with a top three player. There's going to be an adjustment at the beginning of the year then total and utter domination for the rest and into the playoffs. The only times they'll lose is if they get bored on defense toward the end of the season well after they've locked up home court. See last year when The Lakers managed to beat them in a game that meant nothing to no one.

Speaking of, I sincerely hope The Lakers are terrible again this year. I want another top three pick which has the added benefit of making the first round pick owed to Orlando into two second round picks. Sure, it makes the 2018 pick conveyed to The Sixers unprotected, but adding one more young piece to their already decent young core would be nice. Only The Timberwolves may have a better young core. Otherwise, this will be a growth year for the team without Kobe high jacking the offense. I think Russell and Ingram have the potential to be All-stars.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 06, 2016, 05:28:25 PM
JaVale Mcgee is coming to the Warriors!?

LMAO, his clips on Shaq'tin A Fool are all I know about him, but this should make for a comical season in all the best and worst (in the best) ways possible.


Oh, and don't forget that 3 of the Warriors Starting 5 are starting on the Olympic Dream Team right now.
Durant, Clay & Green seem to play well together from the limited amount of clips I've seen of Olympic Trial highlites.
If Curry had shown up... we would be previewing next season already.


edit: Oh and Soren.... +1 from me, for biting the bullet on thread creation here.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: nickmitch on August 06, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Yes, the Warriors were the best team last year (that Draymond Green suspension was bullshit and ruined the Finals).

That nutchecker deserved that suspension.  He should've suspended in the previous series after hit hit the same player in the nuts in back-to-back in the previous series.  That should've cost the Warriors the Conference Finals.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 06, 2016, 05:41:34 PM
Yes, the Warriors were the best team last year (that Draymond Green suspension was bullshit and ruined the Finals).

That nutchecker deserved that suspension.  He should've suspended in the previous series after hit hit the same player in the nuts in back-to-back in the previous series.  That should've cost the Warriors the Conference Finals.

He should have been suspended in the OKC series... I agree with that. But you forget that the Warriors lost the game after that happened anyway. so a Green suspension may not have changed anything with the outcome of that series.

The Finals though... that was some grade A fuckery from above (and I mean top of the NBA food chain) with the post game fix. The way they went back, moved the call that was made on an aggressive rebound attempt, to a series of fouls that were never called during the game (even though the ref stood right there several feet away and watched the whole altercation from beginning to end yet never blew his damn whistle during any of it), just so that they could "upgrade" them unevenly to a Tech and a Flagrant, and then claim that the call they made didn't suspend him, but automatically triggered a suspension, was such bullshit that I couldn't help but laugh at it all.

Of course, none of that excuses the Warriors for losing any of the following games, especially game 7. Game 6 tho... wow. The Fixer was in on that one. and if you don't know who I'm talking about, check the ref that made the last 4 calls on Curry to foul him out. 2 of those were total BS, 1 was questionable, and one was stupid on Curry's part.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: nickmitch on August 06, 2016, 05:47:16 PM
I would've preferred if the NBA just said, "That's the third time he hit someone in the nuts; he's getting suspended".  That roundabout **** they pulled was entirely unneeded.

Curry played like an idiot to foul out.  You can call BS on 3 of the fouls, but why is he guarding that close with 5 fouls?  What are you doing, Steph??

But, at the end of the day, Warriors lost Game 7 at home.  They didn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Soren on August 06, 2016, 05:58:00 PM
But, at the end of the day, Warriors lost Game 7 at home.  They didn't deserve it.


Agreed. For a team that has had so much misery it's nice to get to talk about them blowing something that's actually meaningful just a year removed from winning a championship.


I'm wary of saying the T'Wolves are going to be fun to watch because I said the same last year and well...
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 06, 2016, 06:08:56 PM
I would've preferred if the NBA just said, "That's the third time he hit someone in the nuts; he's getting suspended".  That roundabout **** they pulled was entirely unneeded.

Curry played like an idiot to foul out.  You can call BS on 3 of the fouls, but why is he guarding that close with 5 fouls?  What are you doing, Steph??

But, at the end of the day, Warriors lost Game 7 at home.  They didn't deserve it.

Except he didn't hit anyone in the nuts the "3rd" time. Lebron wasn't aware of the swipe until he was showed the video after the game, and thats when the team started crying about it publicly to the press. That's when the NBA went behind the scenes and changed the calls to upgrade them. it was total BS.

Curry's foul out was equal parts BS and stupidity. but the BS was quite obvious, especially because of the Ref that was calling all of it.

But yes, Game 7 was called pretty fairly, and there was no excuse as to why they lost other than the Cavs just wanted it more (and that Barnes and Ezeli both sucked ass in the times they were needed the most).

I'm not mad at Lebron for exploting a possible moment to gain advantage, I'm more upset with the NBA for fixing meddling with the game in the first place, and then being so damn obvious with it.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Soren on August 06, 2016, 10:55:46 PM
(and that Barnes and Ezeli both sucked ass in the times they were needed the most).

This cannot be emphasized more. Barnes wilted under the pressure to the point where he routinely passed up open jumpers and the ones he did take were painfully off the mark. Which betrays the fact that he had at least showed up on previous playoff series. This put more pressure on Iggy who was injured and Livingston who can really only give you 20 minutes at most on any given night.

Ezeli was more egregious. That Varejao played nearly as many minutes as he did during Game 7 shows how much Kerr had lost confidence in him.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2016, 03:18:35 AM
Ezeli missed the first 2 dunks in the game... he needed to be benched immediately.
That was the 4 pts they lost by right there. Barnes was just consistently bad since post All-Star break, and he shouldn't have been getting the playtime he was.

for Ezeli to have been put back in the game in the last minutes of the game, and setup to be exploited by LBJ was just bad coaching on Kerr's part.

Not that none of the blame fell on Curry, but, even with Curry's turn-overs, Ezeli and Barnes were just liabilities that cost them game 7. (period)
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: rygar on August 07, 2016, 09:21:59 AM
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/81679607-patrick-ewing-charles-oakley-greg-anthony-and-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7QRZn%2BKXu6Mb6BovkawErfkrTbQVNMjq4l4W%2FSTop%2FRFBLMwHubeTJGzk%2BJzGZxIBd1ZwyrY%2F%2BfzhzAiMxS7UDbA%3D)

Knicks fan checking in. Outside of Mike Woodson's first season-and-a-quarter, things have been pretty dreadful since Van Gundy left, but I am cautiously optimistic about the Rose trade. There isn't nearly the cap risk as there was when they signed Amar'e, they didn't give up anything of real value, and Rose has the potential to be their best back court player since Walt Fraizer. I'm hoping for an Atlantic Division crown, first round playoff victory, and a competitive showing in the semis. I'd probably settle for them playing great defense and showing much improved integration on offense.

My favorite Warrior:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/71/a2/40/71a240bbd33ab83bb14224ad4ea0de8f.jpg)
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
The knee to Steven Adams' groin was a during a basketball play. The kick to Steven Adams' groin was blatant flopping which Draymond Green should have been fined for in addition to the Flagrant Foul. I didn't think it was worth a suspension. The make-contact-when-whistle-is-blown-to-get-a-foul-called is a smart play though I think the NBA should look at it on a case by case basis. A shooter jumping into contact after a defender falls for a pump fake isn't the same thing as a player kicking his legs out and flailing his arms. That isn't exclusive to Green as players have been using that tactic for some time now.

The so-called groin swipe to Lebron James was total bullshit. He stepped over Green which is completely disrespectful. Green's reaction seemed more like "get off me" than a cheap shot. I know it sounds like I'm a Draymond Green apologist, I'm just calling it he way I see it.

The suspension shifted the momentum of the series. Steph Curry made some dumb plays at the end of game seven (like a behind the back pass on the baseline... what the hell was he thinking?). Then, Steve Kerr left Curry on Kyrie Irving. The Warriors should have won game seven, but it never should gotten to that point. Had Green not been suspended for game five, the series would have been over. That collective clusterfuck was worse than 2007 when Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw were suspended for game five.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Shaymin on August 07, 2016, 10:40:00 AM
The kick to Steven Adams' groin was blatant flopping which Draymond Green should have been fined for in addition to the Flagrant Foul.

I thought he got $25k for the Sports-Ent **** Punt. (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/draymond-green-suspended-fouls)
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2016, 10:55:56 AM
The so-called groin swipe to Lebron James was total bullshit. He stepped over Green which is completely disrespectful. Green's reaction seemed more like "get off me" than a cheap shot. I know it sounds like I'm a Draymond Green apologist, I'm just calling it he way I see it.

That play should have been blown dead the minute Lebron threw Green to the ground with that leg sweep. It should have never got to the step over, and then the swipe. The ref was literally 5 feet away and watching the entire thing. and they still didn't blow the whistle till 3-4 seconds later after Dray had gotten up and he and Lebron were both going for a rebound.
the movement of the call by the league from the rebound that the whistle was blown for, over to the step-over/swipe incident several seconds earlier that the whistle wasn't blown for, and then calling it a nut shot when for one, it didn't look like an intentional swipe at his groin, and two, he didn't even hit him in the groin was complete and total bullshit, and Adam Silver should be ashamed for even trying to pass off his bullshit as not tampering with the game in hopes to stretch out the series for an extra game or 2.

and I think choosing Scott Foster to ref game 6 was a deliberate attempt at having a Ref that has ties to fixing the game (calling it the way the league wants) and what appeared to be a bias against the Warriors. So it was no surprise that he made all the bad foul calls against Curry in game 6. Curry should have had maybe 3 of those fouls, but the quick 3 called on him (by the same ref) during the momentum shift come back in gm6 was total BS and I understand why he got frustrated.

W's took the L in game 7, and I firmly see it as them losing the game, much more than I see it as the Cav's winning it. The Warriors seem to beat themselves with terrible players (Ezeli and Barnes), bad coaching (Kerr) and stupid plays (Curry WTF!?).
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2016, 12:33:51 PM
I thought he got $25k for the Sports-Ent **** Punt. (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/06/draymond-green-suspended-fouls)
He got fined for the flagrant foul. I was saying he should have additionally gotten fined for flopping. Maybe the NBA didn't think it was necessary to stack the fines.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2016, 04:47:10 PM
But he didn't flop, he flailed.

unless flop is being redefined here...
flopping is like when Lebron gets grazed by an elbow from his own team mate and then then flys back like he got sucker punched by a superhuman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJRnX0O9vrA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJRnX0O9vrA)

or when Varejao gets barely bumped and then flys back like he braced for impact from a wrecking ball to the chest.

I think floppers should get called more often.
I know people sometime exaggerate the contact to get the call because the refs can't see everything, but now the few have ruined for the whole when they exaggerate every contact in hopes of drawing a false call and disrupting the flow of the game.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2016, 08:30:30 PM
I equate flopping to overselling. Green is a large man. He's flailing excessively to sell that call. I mean, look at these shenanigans:
(http://i.imgur.com/z24nWNz.gif)
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Yes Flailing Excessively - that's so unnecessary a movement not related to getting the call at all, and almost looks intentional. (he flails like that often, so I'm not sure it was actually intentional, but still could and probably should have been called as such)

I would consider it a flop had he just fallen to the ground holding his wrist or something after throwing the ball away.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Adrock on August 07, 2016, 10:14:00 PM
I consider flailing to be a type of flopping because these very large men are acting like they're getting bulldozed. I'm not willing to devote more time debating the semantics of flopping especially when we ultimately agree that the suspension was nonsense. The NBA got a few more games out of the series. Personally, I felt like that cheapened it. The Warriors had a harder road to The Finals then they have to deal Green getting suspended for nothing. Granted, I feel like they should have had more poise to still pull off a victory, but here we are.

Anyway, what is everyone's favorite team and why?
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: nickmitch on August 08, 2016, 12:38:46 PM
I think making more calls against flopping isn't the right fix.  I think the refs need to make less foul calls overall.  The fouls are an essential part of the game now, so you kind of need to sell them if you're a player.  If more types of contact are deemed ok, then you get less guys trying to get more calls.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: Soren on October 26, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
So I had to be reminded by a friend that the season started yesterday. So yeah. And to kick things off the Warriors got punched in the face by the Spurs! Yay!

I'm actually ok with this. After getting smoke blown up their butts all through the offseason about the inevitable Warriors/Cavs Round 3 Finals it's nice to be reminded that hey, the Spurs are really good team and they'll be a worthy opponent in the West.

This will be a daily reminder that the Warriors blew a 3-1 lead in the NBA Finals

And hell, Javale got posterized on the first night of the season.
Title: Re: Golden State Warriors (and other NBA teams, I guess) thread
Post by: rygar on October 26, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
Knicks season didn't start any better. I was going to post in here to remind people the season was tipping, but I wasn't sure if your thread title change was sincere, lol.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on October 26, 2016, 12:24:48 PM
   :)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2016, 11:53:49 PM
OMG, my sides hurt right now
https://twitter.com/LGhail/status/793601086296842241
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2016, 01:58:30 AM
Warriors CRUSHED Westbrooks spirits by constantly and purposely setting up Durant tonight.
It really was a glorious thing to watch happen. Total blowout from 2nd qtr till the end. I don't even think Westbrook came back in during the 2nd half.

If you could have seen the look on Westbrooks face. LOL
he had that look of "I can't believe this **** right now, I would say I don't even know deez niggas, but we all wearing the same jersey.... and we kinda rode here together"


Durant was straight Stuntin' on on ALL of OKC, and Curry was going out of his way to help him do it. Green was happy to take a Tech just to let OKC know Durant found a new home, where he was actually happy now. I almost feel bad for them. It's kinda sad now that I think about it... the amount of hurt WB must feel right now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on November 04, 2016, 09:16:52 AM
Steve Kerr getting a tech in the first few minutes of the game set the tone really. The Warriors weren't going to let Russ and Co. bully them, and it looked like they wanted to kill this rivalry as soon as it started.

I love how Russell wanted to troll Durant by wearing a photographer's vest as he came into the arena (KD is an amateur photographer, who knew?). Of course, he knew failure meant the internet was going to utterly roast him.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwZDqQhVQAE6nr-.jpg)

Warriors are still getting roasted on the glass, but man that second quarter was a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
These are the Warriors I like to see. Klay getting his confidence back, Curry just having a good time, Green riling up the troops and Durant putting it down inside and outside the key.

Really liking Clark too. If Clark had played in place of Barnes in the playoffs, and played anything like he is right now, W's might be a 2 time champion right now. I'm impressed by his output in the last 2 games. He just never had a chance to really shine last season since Kerr was holding onto Barnes so tight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on November 05, 2016, 11:10:59 PM
The Lakers defeated The Warriors by 20. Again.
(http://i.imgur.com/l4rFuDU.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 06, 2016, 03:18:27 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Q0l3InL.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on November 06, 2016, 10:19:22 AM
That's beautiful.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2016, 01:46:24 AM
Guess what....


just 1 game later....


He's baaaaaack!!!!


(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/curry-saiyan.gif)

13 3's in a single game. Pushing Kobe out the record book, and securing another solo 3pt Record.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2016, 07:19:45 PM
Let's talk politics for a second....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw_vedSUoAA391C.jpg:large)

Klay living that High Life.
(now legal in California)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: ThePerm on November 12, 2016, 07:24:44 PM
Weren't the Warriors and the Cavs the teams in the Playoffs last year? I don't usually pay attention to NBA. I'm a "Suns in the Playoffs" type of fan. So, it's been a few years since I followed basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2016, 09:39:55 PM
Yes they were.
there was plenty of drama surrounding it, but the Cavs came out victorious in the end.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on November 13, 2016, 08:42:16 AM
Yes they were.
there was plenty of drama surrounding it, but the Cavs came out victorious in the end.


That's a new and interesting way of saying the Warriors blew a 3-1 series lead in the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2016, 03:10:16 PM
Yes they were.
there was plenty of drama surrounding it, but the Cavs came out victorious in the end.


That's a new and interesting way of saying the Warriors blew a 3-1 series lead in the Finals.

That was me avoiding the bullshit that sadly contributed to the Warriors blowing a 3-1 lead.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2016, 01:31:09 PM
Damn Milwaukee is BITTER at the Warriors!! LOL

 I bet this has to do with Bellavedova getting traded there from the Cavs. LOL
http://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/19/13688612/even-the-bucks-bandwagon-cam-is-making-3-1-jokes-at-the-warriors-expense

The Bandwagon Fan Cam is quite hilarious though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on November 20, 2016, 01:43:31 PM
I'm not sure a team that hasn't won a playoff series in like 15 years should be making jokes about anyone.

Again, I'm not even a Warriors fan, but since neither the Lakers nor the Sixers are likely going anywhere this year, all this 3-1 taunting kind of makes me want to see the Warriors steamroll through the playoffs and sweep the Cavaliers in the finals. I don't even want it to be close. I want a 16-0 playoff run and the NBA losing millions in advertising for that nonsense last season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2016, 02:23:06 PM
There is something fishy going on again this season involving the Warriors though.

2-3 games ago against the Raptors, the Warriors were up 12 with less than 2 minutes left. The Refs started blowing whistles on non-fouls. Kerr and the Warriors were obviously annoyed to the point of just having to laugh it off, as the fouls were ridiculous. No matter what it seemed like the refs were NOT ready to let the Warriors just kill the time off the clock so the game could end, as it was mostly decided already halfway into the 4th.

They called McCaw on foul on a 3pt shot where he didn't touch the guy, then they called Green for a foul on the shot when he got there too late to have even interfered. and at some point during this barrage of whistle blowing you hear someone yell out "The Spread is 6 points"
So now that DeRozan was able to continue his streak of 30+ points games (mostly from the free throw line this game... seriously, I think he had 34 pts and half of them were from the freethrow line - I think the Raptors ended the game shooting somehting like 40+ freethrows. it was ridiculous).
Long story short, Announcers even complaining on the "questionable calls being made" the Refs allow the game to end now that the score has come down to Warriors by 6.... covering the spread.

It was very blatant, and I think that's why Curry and crew just started laughing it off.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 21, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
Anyone watch the Raptors game? My above post I guess is more relevant to the Raptors being bet on than the Warriors after what happened just now tot he Raps vs the Kings.

Last second 3 pointer to tie the game, but there was a shot clock error where it started late. So the refs waive the shot and call the game over.

They didn't redo the inbounds play and reset the shot clock, they just straight up waived the points and then called the game OVER. YOU LOSE. Raptors go home.

That is fucked up.
I didn't get to watch the game, but I need to see highlights now. I imagine there is gonna be some controversy over that ****. I didn't hear a peep over the point shaving when they lost to the Warriors, but surely someone will talk about how that either should have been a redo, or an OT.


edit: I just saw the replay, and the Kings tipped the ball, but the clock didn't start till the Raps touched it like 1/4second later. Not the Raps fault the clock guy didn't catch the tip. They should redo the play and gamble that he won't make that 3pt shot again, or just let it go to OT.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2016, 09:50:10 PM
Damn we gonna miss this guy

Obama calls out a crying Jordan as the Crying Jordan.jpg
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/801167294533550080

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2016, 02:29:37 AM
Tell me you saw this block tonight


Dray blocks the shot, and then knocks the ball back in Schroder's face, as he falls out of bounds.... Warrior ball. Play.Of.The.Game.

and then he followed it up with another defensive stop moments later, sealing what was actually a pretty terrible game from the Warriors stand point.

Warriors couldn't pass, catch, shoot, dribble, dunk, layup, or do anything right for most of the 1st 3 quarters. Luckily the Hawks weren't playing that much better
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on November 29, 2016, 10:35:17 AM
I didn't see it live, but my phone was quick to tell me what happened. I love Draymond in the "He's an a-hole, but thankfully he's our a-hole" kind of way.

I'd be remiss if I didn't post these two spectacular T'Wolves dunks. Mad props to Alex Len for somehow surviving this attempted murder by Zach LaVine.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
That Wiggins dunk was good, but you're right, Lavine straight up assaulted that big man down low. Had a hand on the ball and everything. Didn't even matter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 29, 2016, 10:39:44 PM
Cavs got their asses whooped tonite.

and gave way to a Shaqtin' a Fool moment of the night as well. LOL
https://vine.co/v/5UOimZqhMlM (https://vine.co/v/5UOimZqhMlM)


During the game, while on the court, JR Smith decided he needed to step off the court real quick to say what's up to a homeboy during the game.... giving up 2 points on an inbound play.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2016, 08:50:25 PM
Kings mopped the floor in Philly tonight!!!
http://deadspin.com/sixers-kings-game-cancelled-after-philadelphia-stadium-1789541232
unfortunately for the Kings, that doesn't mean they beat the 76er's real bad tonight.
I literally mean they mopped the floor in Philly tonight, because the 76er crew forgot to turn on the AC, so the floor started sweating....
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 02, 2016, 09:45:56 AM
I didn't see it live, but my phone was quick to tell me what happened. I love Draymond in the "He's an a-hole, but thankfully he's our a-hole" kind of way.

That quote didn't make it through the end of the week...

Pictured: Draymond Green's natural shooting motion.
(http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/roundhouse-kick-chuck-norris.jpg)

Further context: http://deadspin.com/draymond-green-needs-to-get-a-grip-1789596522
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 04, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
I...I...I don't even know what to say anymore.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2016, 12:59:01 PM
I didn't get to watch the game yesterday, but Dray better find a way to calm those limbs.

You think they'll come back an retroactively flagrant foul him?
It's kinda funny though that a foul was called, and a tech was handed out, but none of it was related to Dray's flailing limbs... I hope Kerr pulls him aside and puts an end to this bullshit before it gets out of hand again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 06, 2016, 01:32:00 AM
Nobody got anything to say about that Warriors game tonight!?

You know Jordan called Kerr halfway through the 3rd and said he better pull Klay before he gets too close to 67pts or he uninvited from the Christmas party, FOR LIFE.

I can't believe Kerr pulled Klay before the 3rd was over. I understand not putting him back in in the 4th, but he pulled him with 1:48 (or something close to that) left in the 3rd. That's just a shame as Klay was having the game of his life so far, and Kerr took that from him.


and this **** was HYPE as ****
https://twitter.com/gifdsports/status/806001123521916928



Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 06, 2016, 09:44:00 AM
60 points in 29 minutes. Absolutely crazy.

I do think Kerr is keeping in mind what happened last year. The game was truly over at that time and the Pacers were not interested in making this a game. He was on pace to surpass Kobe's 81, so it's an interesting what-if.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 06, 2016, 10:07:25 AM
He could have let him finish out the 3rd quarter.

2 more points puts him ahead of Lebron, Bird, Iverson, Shaq
4 more puts him ahead of Jordan (w/o OT), McGrady and Carmelo
5 more points would put him ahead of Rick Barry

If he could have made it to 70, he could have topped Jordan regardless of minutes played.
and there was still about 1.5 minutes left in the 3rd. At the pace they were playing, the Warriors probably could have gotten at least 4-5 more possessions, so I think he had a shot at all of those.

Kerr could have atleast let him finish the 3rd Quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on December 06, 2016, 06:46:39 PM
60 points in 29 minutes
60 - 29 = 31

Oh god.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on December 08, 2016, 10:37:26 AM
I never root against "my" teams but Phil Jackson had last night coming. He has been the exact disaster every Knick fan I know thought he would be. The Dolans are a blight on the city in so many ways. The one bright spot is Porzingis is legit and at least gives the fans something to become invested in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 09, 2016, 12:37:48 AM
I never root against "my" teams but Phil Jackson had last night coming. He has been the exact disaster every Knick fan I know thought he would be. The Dolans are a blight on the city in so many ways. The one bright spot is Porzingis is legit and at least gives the fans something to become invested in.

For those that don't know what happened wednesday night...
https://vine.co/v/5xWnwEqt2JZ

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 26, 2016, 05:37:14 PM
Everyone knows the Warriors lost by a point last night (my thoughts on how that happened later)
I think everyone saw how Jefferson POSTERIZED both KD and Klay (OMG it was brutal)

but i don't think anyone saw just how cold blooded LeBron is towards this rivalry with the Warriors.

(http://i.imgur.com/ftqTfsr.jpg)

frozen veins man... if that doesn't fuel them in the next match up, then I don't know what will.
Warriors need to go Super Saiyan in the starting 4 (and McGee, not Zaza Pikachulia).


**
but for those that watched the game, tell me that the 1st 2 fouls on Dray were not bullshit. It led to Dray getting a tech, but honestly, they were bullshit calls. Might be hard to call in the moment, but the 2nd one was obvious as **** that it was clean.
Foul on Curry where he completely stepped out the way and didn't touch dude, was another BS call.
No call on the McGee dunk that he missed?
and the No call on the KD being tripped in the last seconds of the match were also BS.

It's kinda bullshit that even the announcers can't callout the BS reffing that they see. They keep trying to bring it up vaguely "oh that looked like a file to me.. :shrugs shoulders: yep, clearly a foul in the replay... oh well", but it's like they'll lose their job or get fined for criticizing the refs. seems so fishy to me. and it's not just for this game, or just about this team, I'm talking in general here.

But on the other hand, Cavs v Dubs is real. They match very well.
Bronbron v KD, Kyrie v The Chef, Love v Klay

I personally put this loss on the Dray for repeatedly forcing passes in the 4th quarter. I think it was like 3-4 possessions in a row, which is how we lost the lead, and ultimately the game.
But if the refs had just called it straight from the get-go, it might have been a different game altogether.  W's were up early, and 2 BS fouls and a T on Dray kinda sucked a little momentum out the team.

But the next rematch @ home is Jan 16th.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 30, 2016, 12:02:07 AM
I am resigned to the Warriors being a team that just commits stupid turnovers. It's in their DNA, along with Draymond's natural shooting motion.


In other news, Kemba Walker wakes the ghost of Nick Young.




If you don't understand that reference...


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2016, 12:20:32 AM
At least Swaggy P didn't shimmy when he thought it was in, only to realize it wasn't. That's just embarrassing.


And Yes, Draymond has restless leg syndrome, but many people in the NBA do, most just don't have "tourettes" leg reflexes.
The Warriors are are also chronic abusers of the extra and often forced pass.
when it works, it's highlight material, but when it doesn't, you have to ask why it was even attempted in the first place.

But hey, they had to have a weakness somewhere. If they didn't have all these stupid turnover, the only way to beat them would be to hope they completely stalled on offense for multiple extended periods of time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 30, 2016, 12:38:51 AM
But hey, they had to have a weakness somewhere. If they didn't have all these stupid turnover, the only way to beat them would be to hope they completely stalled on offense for multiple extended periods of time.

Which can happen, given the leads they almost blew to the Raptors a few nights ago.

There's the nagging fear that Iggy might just fall off a cliff one of these days and Ian Clark still can't really be trusted until he contributes during the playoffs. And JaVale has impressed, but he's still a knucklehead.

In unrelated news I attended my first NBA game a few weeks ago while on trip to Atlanta. Hornets vs Hawks. Got to see Marco Belinelli and a Zeller blow up big for the Hornets and Dwight Howard pick up silly fouls like always.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2016, 01:25:12 AM
But hey, they had to have a weakness somewhere. If they didn't have all these stupid turnover, the only way to beat them would be to hope they completely stalled on offense for multiple extended periods of time.

Which can happen, given the leads they almost blew to the Raptors a few nights ago.

There's the nagging fear that Iggy might just fall off a cliff one of these days and Ian Clark still can't really be trusted until he contributes during the playoffs. And JaVale has impressed, but he's still a knucklehead.

but that stall in offense also had multiple stupid turnovers. multiple stupid turnovers also being the main, and only reason that matters, when it comes to that loss to the Cavs as well.

Quote
In unrelated news I attended my first NBA game a few weeks ago while on trip to Atlanta. Hornets vs Hawks. Got to see Marco Belinelli and a Zeller blow up big for the Hornets and Dwight Howard pick up silly fouls like always.

congrats. I get to go to the Kings game vs Warriors up in Sac in little over a week. Good seats in their new stadium. I'm juiced.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on December 30, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
but that stall in offense also had multiple stupid turnovers. multiple stupid turnovers also being the main, and only reason that matters, when it comes to that loss to the Cavs as well.


I'm working with the premise that the Dubs won't be able to solve their stupid turnover problems.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on December 30, 2016, 02:16:20 PM
In unrelated news I attended my first NBA game a few weeks ago while on trip to Atlanta. Hornets vs Hawks. Got to see Marco Belinelli and a Zeller blow up big for the Hornets and Dwight Howard pick up silly fouls like always.


Nice. I've only been to Madison Square Garden in New York and the Spectrum and Wells Fargo Center in Philly. You get an extra appreciation for how large and athletic the players are when you see them in person. Outdoor summer league games are also cool if you ever get the chance.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 10, 2017, 11:45:10 AM
I'm going to wait to trash Derrick Rose in case him going MIA is because of something serious, but I hope this ends any talk of him resigning. Porzingis and occasionally Brandon Jennings are the only positive things about the Knicks other than the city and arena they play in. I like Melo as a person, but I was sick to death of watching him just standing there dribbling the ball into the court long before he even showed up in New York.

This is basketball nihilism.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2017, 02:36:22 AM
All that **** talking got him BLOWN OUT

(http://i.imgur.com/KOl8Pn7.png)

Love quit, LeBron was shamed, Kyrie was ineffective and Korver was a defensive liability.
LMFAO.

Steph showed up, Dray triple doubled, Durant held it down, Klay D'd up, Livingston poured it on.

Now if only these Warriors would show up for the rest of the regular and post season. They defensively shut.the.cavs.down. It was a thing of beauty.
It was so beautiful that even LeBron cried (mostly to the refs, before he sat out most of the 4th quarter.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with more than just Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2017, 12:41:09 PM
The most blatant walk in NBA history, and the refs STILL almost didn't call it!!

http://m.imgur.com/vpxgyEJ

#Shaqtinafool clip of the month, for sure.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2017, 04:36:37 PM
Allstar Rosters are out. Rising Star game rosters are out.
Talk of snubs of Westbrook not starting over of Curry, and Embiid not making the Allstar roster because he's a "rookie" on limited minutes

GM Lebron was in panic mode after a 6of8 game losing streak (7of11), mostly to teams in the West. Including the Pelicans w/o A.D. and to the Sac Kings in OT. He was crying and whining that he needs more help... He has the highest paid team in the NBA, and possibly of all time, and is whining that the Owner needs to spend MORE to get better players. Inside NBA on TNT calls him out: "can't sympathize, whines and cries, is he afraid to compete!?"
Lebron finally trims his beard down (I think it was too full of "L's") and goes on to happily break the streak w/ a defeat of the worst team in the NBA.... the Brooklyn Nets.

Bulls having a very public breakdown w/ Butler and Wade demoralizing the team, Rondo lashing back, and then Wade dumping hot oil from above all over Rondo. This is also followed up by the WORST game Butler or Wade have ever had. We'er talking airball shots & layups, and then passes to no one, which led to Butler benching himself and sending in a sub. and then in teh post game, when the coach is questioned about it, the coach caught lying that the sub just didn't hear him sub him in. LOL (yeah, that totally didn't happen, that's why)

It's been an eventful week in the NBA if you've been paying attention.

But this post right here, basically sums up in detail, the feeling of why I think Harden will win MVP
over Westbrook this year, regardless of Westbrooks numbers on paper
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5qat1j/statistically_analysis_russell_westbrooks/

(my thoughts were that he seems to be stat padding, and I don't like the way he plays)
He crashes the boards like a running back, and then kicks out if he gets stuck. His bigs also don't really rebound, but instead box out and leave the rebound for Russ, who is just constantly crashing the boards. I just really don't like his style of gameplay. but the link above adds statistics and detailed analysis to what I was thought. So now I feel more justified in thinking it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2017, 10:35:44 PM
I'm torn on GM Lebron. On one hand, the front office pulled out all the stops to put that roster together. Sure, the Cavaliers lost some members of last year's team, but it's still the best team in the East despite the losses. James is complaining about the lack of a playmaker. Motherfucker, you're the playmaker. On the other hand, the condition for returning to the Cavs was Dan Gilbert would spare no expense when it came to the roster. James is simply holding the owner and team management to that promise. That's something he should have taken to management first then complained to the media if nothing was done. Still, David Griffin just performed another miracle with that deal for Kyle Korver and gave up two players who weren't playing and a protected pick. Give the man a second. Trades aren't easy to put together, and the Cavs don't have a ton of flexibility unless it gives up a piece James probably doesn't want the team to part with. Additionally, James gave up some of his leverage by signing a three-year deal (third year player option) last summer instead of another one-and-one. At 32, he'll be on the decline of his career soon if he isn't there already. He won't be able to make these demands forever.

If I had my choice, I'd give MVP to The Process. The Sixers can make the playoffs this year if it keeps playing the way it has been recently which is nothing short of amazing, and it's doing so without Ben Simmons. All of that is a dream-scenario that I want to see happen if only because everyone not in Philadelphia **** all over Sam Hinke's process. This is still the team he put together. Not only do The Sixers have a nice young core, it has assets, both in draft picks and young players it can afford to give up (e.g. Noel, Okafor). In any case, it's an absolute travesty that Joel Embiid didn't make the all-star team. He's having a better year than Paul Millsap. Come on, voters...

Despite the hot start, The Lakers are once again dead-last in the West. The team can still sneak into the playoffs (then get roasted by The Warriors). I'm in a weird spot. I get excited when I watch The Lakers win yet I'm not upset when I watch the team lose. Losing is in the team's best interest. The Nets aren't catching any team. The Lakers could use another top three pick.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2017, 03:12:07 AM
Feel no sympathy for crybaby Lebron. The Owner has already spared no expense, and they got a championship (not sure if there were payouts outside arena to make that happen ;)   ...j/k). They have the most expensive lineup in the NBA, and that's after the luxury tax that was paid last year.
From what the analyst were saying, is that another big acquisition could push that luxury tax from $25M, all the way up to $100M this year.
The Cavs don't need anymore big $$$ talent, they just need to start making what they have click with what's already working. I'm glad no one is offering up anything useful to them (Melo for Love LOL)
He should actually just feel lucky that the East isn't as loaded as the West, otherwise they wouldn't be in that #1 East position anyway.
Now if only the Raptors and the Celtics could get their **** together and bring it Lebron in the East. He obviously needs to be pressured about more than just winning the NBA finals pre-All-Star break. He should feel a little pressure about even being top seed in the playoffs.


edit: and I never even brought up all the drama w/ Melo.
His coach publicly calls him out about outliving his usefulness to the team. Melo states he's all in for NY, but if the coach feels that way, they should have a convo. He later reiterates that he is ALL IN for the Knicks and doesn't want to go anywhere. All that week, Melo is being shopped around the NBA (...awkward?). Turned down by the Cavs, turned down by the Celtics... but Doc Rivers over in LA states he just might trade his own son if making Melo a Clip was an option.


oh, and thanks to the Warriors.... Clips just might make that trade. Anyone watch that 46pt BLOWOUT today!? Curry hit a halftime halfcourt 3 and then did a soccer slide on the court. LMFAO.
The Warriors are so much fun to watch when they are having fun.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 29, 2017, 06:58:59 AM
I don't want to bring politics into it other than to say that there are dimensions to both the LeBron and Melo conflicts that transcend basketball and I will support both players for those off-the-court reasons. I will also just say that the media coverage of the conflicts, and how management responds, won't be primarily driven by on-court agendas either.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on January 29, 2017, 09:52:17 AM
I will never take Dan Gilbert's side in anything. This is a man that took joy in publicly roasting Lebron in the media when he left and tried to do anything in his power to discredit him. And that's even before you start getting into his shady mortgage lending business.

As far as I'm concerned Lebron is criminally underpaid in Cleveland and holds the most power and ability to make decisions in that franchise. He has earned that by sheer force of dominance in the league. Cleveland's records with him prove it. I disagree with what he's saying about his young players (Golden State has to make due with guys like McCaw, McAdoo and Ian Clark. Can you imagine Curry publicly blasting them like James did with Felder and Liggins?) but he has a point in that he shouldn't be having to log 44 minutes a night in mid-January.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
I don't want to bring politics into it other than to say that there are dimensions to both the LeBron and Melo conflicts that transcend basketball and I will support both players for those off-the-court reasons. I will also just say that the media coverage of the conflicts, and how management responds, won't be primarily driven by on-court agendas either.

Now I'm curious... details please.

I will never take Dan Gilbert's side in anything. This is a man that took joy in publicly roasting Lebron in the media when he left and tried to do anything in his power to discredit him. And that's even before you start getting into his shady mortgage lending business.

As far as I'm concerned Lebron is criminally underpaid in Cleveland and holds the most power and ability to make decisions in that franchise. He has earned that by sheer force of dominance in the league. Cleveland's records with him prove it. I disagree with what he's saying about his young players (Golden State has to make due with guys like McCaw, McAdoo and Ian Clark. Can you imagine Curry publicly blasting them like James did with Felder and Liggins?) but he has a point in that he shouldn't be having to log 44 minutes a night in mid-January.

Then he needs give his rookies/youngsters playtime and develop them. I understand he's on a "win NOW" ticking time clock. but that's his own problem. He can't just run around and expect the owner to go for broke just to get more vets on the floor. There's caps and tax in place for a reason.
LeBron had what he was asking for now at the end of last season, but decided he didn't want to pay them to keep them. Now their expected to go out and spend that money anyway to replace what he previously didn't want to pay to keep.

Just because GSW got lucky in acquiring KD, they also gutted their vet bench in the process. Now it's up to Curry, Klay, KG, & Livingston to perform so that they can rotate the young players in and out of line ups to get some ingame experience. He can't just form his own personal All-Star Team full of nothing but All-Stars, as awesome as that would be. He already has the best team in the East by far. Now he just needs to put in some work and get his bench and 3rd string up to speed.

They got #20 out there, running around like a Lil Kyrie meets Kevin Hart, who is that? is that a rookie?
(Answer is their 2nd round pick)
He's quick, but he's so small.




and just because, here is the Curry Flurry at the end of the 3rd last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDehryykgIY&feature=youtu.be&t=4m16s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDehryykgIY&feature=youtu.be&t=4m16s) 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 30, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
It's more perspective than details and is too divisive for this forum. I will just say that LeBron's way of doing business is challenging existing power structures and there has been a substantial racial dimension to the backlash since at least "The Decision".

Melo's low efficiency, low defense, ball-hogging game is the same as it was when the Knicks traded for him, and when they most recently resigned him (both times in opposition to the majority of Knick fans). If they are moving him now for basketball reasons, then it is an admission of massive failure on behalf of management. If they are moving him for off-court reasons, then it circles back to Phil Jackson's racial arrogance regarding LeBron. Either way this is all on management and that's whose incompetence the media should be focused on.

Again, there are issues of class, race, and power lurking as to why there is a lack of accountability for ownership and management, and why the personal characters of black men like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony are drug through the mud, and people like Dan Gilbert, Jim Dolan, and Phil Jackson are protected.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2017, 09:47:30 AM
It's more perspective than details and is too divisive for this forum. I will just say that LeBron's way of doing business is challenging existing power structures and there has been a substantial racial dimension to the backlash since at least "The Decision".

Melo's low efficiency, low defense, ball-hogging game is the same as it was when the Knicks traded for him, and when they most recently resigned him (both times in opposition to the majority of Knick fans). If they are moving him now for basketball reasons, then it is an admission of massive failure on behalf of management. If they are moving him for off-court reasons, then it circles back to Phil Jackson's racial arrogance regarding LeBron.
Either way this is all on management and that's whose incompetence the media should be focused on.

Again, there are issues of class, race, and power lurking as to why there is a lack of accountability for ownership and management, and why the personal characters of black men like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony are drug through the mud, and people like Dan Gilbert, Jim Dolan, and Phil Jackson are protected.

I'm so entrenched in BBall right now, I still want to hear more. PM it to me if you feel like expanding on what you couldn't say in the forums. I'm truly interested in hearing how deep your thoughts on this matter go. I know it involves lots of stuff that likely started looong before I was paying attention, so I would love to be caught up on it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
Mavs beat the Spurs yesterday, and then for the first time this season, won on a game on the back of a back to back tonite against the Cavs.

Lebron sat out the last ~4minutes
Korver is terrible. LOL

it was 102 to 85 when garbage time started. don't mind the final score of 104-97.

I was disappointed though, as I didn't get to see hardly any of the game before Lebron sat, so I didn't see if there was a frustration or anger or any of that. He better hope they get that 2nd unit PG so he can rest once in a while, or i see many more loses coming for the Cavs.
Better hope the Celtics don't make a good trade.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 31, 2017, 11:44:48 AM
Hey BlackNMild,

I'm still working on your PM, it's getting into article-like length to keep all the moving parts coherently arranged, but LeBron touched on some of the issues last night. You have to read between the lines a bit, but you get the sense he wants to go at Barkley the same way McGee went at Shaq: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18589897/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-throws-gauntlet-charles-barkley-hater (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18589897/lebron-james-cleveland-cavaliers-throws-gauntlet-charles-barkley-hater)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
LeBron can say whatever he wants about Barkley, but that don't make Barkley's comments wrong.

"Does he not want to compete" in reference to him feeling the need to go from the highest spending team in the NBA, to the by far and away highest spending team in NBA history just to add even more pieces to a team that won the championship just last year.

The whining and crying needs to stop. Lebron is an amazing talent on the court, and seemingly a very competent businessman off the court... But maybe not the best GM. He needs to figure out how to fix his team, but simply trying to buy your way to the promise land isn't very competitive.

Here's a list for comparative reasons
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2016-2017 NBA salaries

Rank   Team Salary
1   Cleveland Cavaliers   $128,699,407
2   Los Angeles Clippers   $116,237,542
3   Portland Trail Blazers   $112,823,449
4   Dallas Mavericks   $110,679,908
5   Memphis Grizzlies   $110,537,188
6   Detroit Pistons   $108,967,919
7   San Antonio Spurs   $108,059,787
8   Toronto Raptors   $106,742,969
9   Orlando Magic   $106,296,398
10   Washington Wizards   $103,616,690
11   New York Knicks   $103,614,716
12   Miami Heat   $101,575,441
13   Golden State Warriors   $101,239,340

Who should be arguing to spend more to be competitive probable isn't the already highest spending team that also happens to be the defending champions.
Lebron has talent, he just needs to help develop it.
I hope no other team helps them willingly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 31, 2017, 06:46:49 PM
Barkley can't be wrong, but he can't be right either, and that's kind of the point. "Competitiveness" is a subjective designation that's ambiguously defined and can be tightly bound up with notions of masculinity. Barkley is essentially defaming LeBron's character, and has been doing so for a long time. But for what purpose? Pointing out Barkley's hypocrisy is not to refute his position, but to provide evidence that it is not based on principle. So if it's not on principle, then what's the agenda? Well maybe Barkley is literally paid to try to publicly humiliate any athlete the owners, GMs, and existing agents (who have long standing relationships with owners that outlive CBAs and individual client contracts) deem to be too upitty.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2017, 08:04:38 PM
Well, here are some words from Cleveland's own Tristan Thompson

"You can't go out there hoping somebody is going to walk through the door. Play with whoever the hell we got right now, and let's win some [expletive] games."

So it would seem that on a level, even his own team agrees with Barkley.
LeBron is whining and crying asking for help.... Um what about the rest of your team... They are standing right there... They can hear you.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2689443-lebron-james-public-comments-making-life-uncomfortable-for-cleveland-cavaliers.amp.html?client=ms-android-verizon

Help them get better, accept a few potential losses to include them in the lineup for playtime experience. Or ditch some to get some. But quit acting like a spoiled brat that didn't get his way just because your not winning every game. Spend less time in the office with the GM and more time on the court with your 2nd unit and bench.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on January 31, 2017, 09:37:21 PM
Yeah, we are are really coming from different places. I wouldn't think of describing what LeBron is doing as acting like a spoiled brat anymore than I would a GM lowballing a contract or trashing a player in arbitration.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
Yeah, we are are really coming from different places. I wouldn't think of describing what LeBron is doing as acting like a spoiled brat anymore than I would a GM lowballing a contract or trashing a player in arbitration.

The issue isn't that Lebron wants to find someone else to lead the team while he and Kyrie sit. It's that Lebron more or less signed off on roster and pay, Lebron more or less signed off on who got resigned, and who got let go, Lebron picked Kyle Korver and the got the GM who was already spending more than any other team in NBA History, to spend more to get him. Now Lebron was publicly mad that the GM wouldn't blindly just spend EVEN MORE, potentially dipping into the $100M Luxury tax range to chase even MORE talent. He belittles his team saying that there are only 3 worthy players on the team (Top Heavy!!) and that's why he needs help, and then he literally makes "bitch" moves to the media with all the whining and crying on and off the court.

He comes off as a spoiled brat. and I don't care if the GM promised to "spare no expense" to win championships. But there has to be a reasonable limit, and I think the GM has already surpassed that in an attempt to please GM Lebron.

Lebron has sufficient talent on his team (they are the defending NBA Champions afterall), they can't just keep swapping out potential for already established "stars". At some point you need to work with what you have and prove that you truly are the best. And buying in Korver has been pretty inefficient so far. I almost wish they would trade for Carmelo at this point, and I hope that doesn't work out so well for them either.


edit: (and because I'm doing all this talking about Lebron, there is no way I can't not bring up the Warriors :P: )
Oh, and there's "No Rivalry" but every action and reaction he makes is to hopefully get an edge over the Warriors.
While Lebron is out here killing himself trying do it all on his team, meanwhile Curry takes a back seat to allow KD to enter the fold (yeah I know, they added an established All-Star to the developed All-stars already on the team) and the Warriors out here having FUN, and EVERYONE is involved. They make it look so easy, and I know Lebron is jealous of that atmosphere, I mean because who wouldn't be?
GSW is the poster child for what every team wants. They may not all want to be GSW or play GSW's style, but they all want the entire team to be able to come out and fit like another cog in the machine and everyone just out there having fun, playing the game they love, and on top of it all WINNING.

edit: and Barkley responded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWwa2y6baBQ
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on February 01, 2017, 05:57:21 AM
Lol! Krushrenda got me. I was confused as to who I was talking to this morning. I even questioned how I could have been so mistaken before signing off last night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2017, 10:19:44 AM
I don't understand that response, unless you are trying to say that the issue to Lebron's problems is something deeper than on the court, in locker room, with front office, and the on air personalities "analysis" of those issues.

Which I'm sure you'll share in your PM, because I'm really curious to know what you think the whole picture is. I only really started actively following NBA games early last year, and would only passively check out highlights here and there for many years prior, so I haven't been following the politics and behind the scene stuff.

But what I do know is that what Barkley said, and what Lebron was specifically responding to, could have been worded better, but wasn't wrong.

Lebrons response may have been full of facts, but didn't actually address anything Barkley said. It was actually kind of a low blow response, that I am aware has been pent up from the many other criticisms from Barkley over the years that he never actually responded to, but as a response here, he might as well have said something about his momma. It was personal and irrelevant to the immediate criticism. BUT Barkley had it coming, and Lebron should have brought that to him probably a long time ago... Or just continue to ignore him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2017, 02:14:01 AM
Christmas came late fellas!!

The Warriors waived Varejao's contract!!!!
I was beginning to think Santa didn't get my letter.

and the reason for the free'd up roster spot, we are pulling a D-League star up for a 10 day contract.
Briante Weber - who was not only the DL January player of the month, but just earlier this week was 1 steal shy of setting a DL record of the 1st ever *Legit* Quadruple Double

*Not a Westbook Triple Double (10+ pts, reb, asst, and turnovers)


that tidbit is all I know about the cat.
Hopefully is as as good/effective as Yogi has been so far for the Mavs. (32pt w/ nine 3's vs Portland)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 06, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
Varejao was pretty done last season, It was pretty crazy that wasn't even getting minutes with Zaza injured. But then he got minutes on his last game and he quickly showed why he wasn't playing. I feel gutted that he didn't get his ring (even though he should have just taken the one Cleveland offered) but it was obvious he wasn't going to be able to contribute at a high level.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2017, 10:19:10 PM
Varejaos last have as a warrior was hard to watch. He absolutely sucked the energy out if the game to the point where I think they started taking commercial breaks while he was in the game just to make things go by quicker.

I'm so happy he is gone. He was not a fit for our team. Hope he saved his money, or joined LeBron's investment club. I doubt another team will be picking him up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on February 09, 2017, 07:35:13 AM
In my head I know Patrick Ewing should be my favorite player, but it's honestly always been Oak. Shame Jim Dolan wasn't in reach. Apparently he got Oakley ejected because Oakley was being critical of Dolan's twenty year reign of error:


John McEnroe looked worried, lol:

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2017, 08:55:36 PM
He want just ejected, he had him (or he ended up getting) arrested didn't he?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on February 09, 2017, 10:26:54 PM
He did, but I wonder if there's a jury in the tri-state area that'll convict him.

Also, the Knicks were like "We hope Charles gets help" - is it bad that I'm thinking if he came back with "help" Dolan would flee the country?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on February 09, 2017, 11:26:08 PM
You can see the uniform cop was talking to him and Oak was beginning to comply and that's when the security guards start getting all grabby and escalated the situation. I think the tresspass will go away and the assaults are all summary offenses. They gave him a desk appearance ticket which means he has a date to come to court and didn't even process him through the system. I hope this lights a fire under Knicks fans to make it very uncomfortable for Dolan to enjoy those courtside seats.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 09, 2017, 11:32:31 PM
I do enjoy Knicks PR seizing the opportunity to stoke the flames on something other than their putrid on-court product.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2017, 11:33:30 PM
anyone see Lebron's "no contact missed dunk Bellyflop seal slide begging for a foul" during their loss to OKC tonight!?

OMG LOL.
cash me inna minit, imma find it ousside this forum right quick.
look for a edit


edit:


and broadcast on National Television.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 11, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/friendship-1792264563 (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/friendship-1792264563)

You gotta love Enes Kanter jawing and acting like a total heel manager as Westbrook returns to the bench for a timeout, down 18 points.

The Warriors have publicly humiliated the Thunder in all 3 meetings this season. Durant has scored 39, 40 and 34 in the 3 meetings and I can't get enough of it because OKC still acts like they're on equal footing.

And just for good measure, an eff you three pointer if there's ever been one.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2017, 01:44:54 AM
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/friendship-1792264563 (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/friendship-1792264563)

You gotta love Enes Kanter jawing and acting like a total heel manager as Westbrook returns to the bench for a timeout, down 18 points.

The Warriors have publicly humiliated the Thunder in all 3 meetings this season. Durant has scored 39, 40 and 34 in the 3 meetings and I can't get enough of it because OKC still acts like they're on equal footing.

And just for good measure, an eff you three pointer if there's ever been one.


I remember telling Kanter to go sit his dumb ass down before another chair breaks his other hand.

And Roberson had the nerve to talk **** to KD after GOAL TENDING his layup LOL.
what a bunch of losers. Acting like he blocked the shot and had something to talk about.

Lucky Dray already got too many techs and extra lucky Zsasz Pachulia wasn't in the game tonite. I was really hoping this would be his return game, so Westbrook could attempt to make good on his promise to get revenge.

Maybe next time. We got one more against them on their home court this season - March 20th.
I'm hoping we absolutely blow them the **** out next time around.

Steph was close to a triple double and so was Draymond this game.
hopefully next time around they can both hit that, KD can go off and some sort of new record gets set (most 3's by a team in a single game?).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2017, 12:43:16 PM
anyone see Lebron's "no contact missed dunk Bellyflop seal slide begging for a foul" during their loss to OKC tonight!?

OMG LOL.
cash me inna minit, imma find it ousside this forum right quick.
look for a edit


edit:


and broadcast on National Television.

As funny as LeBron missing a dunk and riding the court like a Slip 'n Slide is, those camera people sit way too close to the court.  It's worse in the playoffs, but it still bugs me how close people get.  It just doesn't look safe.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2017, 01:45:52 PM
As funny as LeBron missing a dunk and riding the court like a Slip 'n Slide is, those camera people sit way too close to the court.  It's worse in the playoffs, but it still bugs me how close people get.  It just doesn't look safe.

This I agree with. players are running in to them far too often for the league to not see it as a safety concern... but all the stadiums are already build, and those front row ticket prices are way too nice to give them to the press and other such camera people.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2017, 03:17:35 PM
The worst is during the finals when people are literally sitting on the freaking court.  And then commentators complain when players aren't "trying as hard as they used to".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 16, 2017, 09:12:38 AM
Last night was just -chef's kiss- beautiful. Specially JaVale and that final fast break dunk...


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2017, 11:32:55 PM
Last night was just -chef's kiss- beautiful. Specially JaVale and that final fast break dunk...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCYF3xbL1pQ

the video has been removed, but outside of Curry's missed 3, that whole run was a thing of beauty.
capping it off with the lob that McGee turned into a THUNDEROUS dunk was just icing on top of the Cupcake.

what was it, like 28-4 run, and for most of it, Sac didn't score a basket for almost 5 minutes. It was just a soul crushing run. reminded me of last season for a moment. Hope we see more of that intensity consistently after the All-Star break, and ALL through the payoff AND Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on February 20, 2017, 10:05:32 PM
During these uncertain times, it's reassuring that the Sacramento Kings are still a terrible organization run by people who have no idea what a basketball is.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 20, 2017, 10:39:43 PM
Value Divac is so bad. Anyone with rudimentary knowledge of Franchise Mode in 2k17 can probably do a better job as GM than him.

I feel bad for Buddy Hield. Dude's career is probably in the toilet now all because Vivek Ranadive has some insane, unrealistic expectations of him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on February 21, 2017, 11:09:38 AM
NBA 2k17 won't even let you make the trade. (http://kotaku.com/demarcus-cousins-trade-was-so-shitty-nba-2k17-wont-let-1792570009)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
Value Divac is so bad. Anyone with rudimentary knowledge of Franchise Mode in 2k17 can probably do a better job as GM than him.

I feel bad for Buddy Hield. Dude's career is probably in the toilet now all because Vivek Ranadive has some insane, unrealistic expectations of him.

Buddy even named his dog Nola, in honor of the city.  Losing him kinda stung, and I know some fans who don't feel comfortable losing draft picks and Buddy for a guy who could walk at the end of the season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 22, 2017, 08:18:07 PM
he's under contract for 1.5 years.
He's also good friends w/ A. Davis and sounded very enthusiastic about NOLA at his press conference today. Something about it being "meant to be", and "seeing the signs". He talked about how he and Davis complement each other's game and how the potential is "scary", so it could be interesting. I just hope that should they make 8th seed, the Warriors shut them down in 5 or less games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on February 22, 2017, 11:56:00 PM
For whatever reason, I thought his contract was up this year.  That makes me feel better about the deal.  Climbing to the 8th seed would be a pyrrhic victory at best.  Hopefully they can fill some other needs for when the Warriors collapse when they finally have to pay Steph.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on February 23, 2017, 07:27:42 AM
Vivek may have committed tampering when he told Buddy Hield "we're still gonna get you" when the Kings played the Pelicans during the regular season. Because of course he would.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2017, 08:24:42 PM
Looks like Shaq took his Shaqtin a little too far in his infatuation w/ Javale McGee
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18759654/golden-state-warriors-asked-turner-sports-address-shaquille-oneal-criticism-javale-mcgee (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18759654/golden-state-warriors-asked-turner-sports-address-shaquille-oneal-criticism-javale-mcgee)

long story short, he keeps bringing up Javale even when he didn't do anything.
he just this week dropped a Doctor Strange McGee video singling out McGee mistakes
and once again McGee confronts Shaq online to chill the **** out, but Shaq responds w/ threats of violence.


Today Durant and Kerr both came to Javale's defense, and Shaq told KD to stay out of it.


Now I love Shaqtin a Fool as much as anyone, but his obsession w/ Javale is just weird. I know he feels Javale "disrespected" him in his response to constant beratement, but Shaq comes across as a disillusioned Bully in the situation.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Some NBA protest is going down right now. This **** is crazy.

Warriors vs Spurs tonight on ABC

Kawhi is out on concussion protocol from loss in game vs OKC

Warriors lose another on a bad road trip, and Kerr decides to rest some players in protest of terrible scheduling and BULLSHIT refereeing.
Curry, Klay, Dray and Iggy all sit out for game tonight vs Spurs.

so this morning it's announced that LaMarcus Alridge is out indefinitely due to heart arrhythmia.
and I guess just now it was announced that Tony Parker and Dejounte Murray are also resting for the Spurs.

So tonight has become a game of Bench and Roleplayers for primetime NBA on ABC.

there is no way something doesn't come of this right?
San Antonio fans must be pissed, ABC must be mad, and Adam Silver has got to be drafting up some anti-resting rule changes for the league as we speak, right?




*
the scheduling has to do with flying back and forth cross country for road games, especially when they are back to back games.
and the referee complaint is plain as day obvious if you just watch the last game vs Timberwolves.


The Timberwolved had a foul to give, and purposely kept fouling step to "give the foul" and the refs just wouldn't call it. Steph ended up making a layup, pissed for a no call, stole the ball, made another, and then tried to steal again before being called for a foul himself. so obviously the refs whistles were swallowed


The same thing happened again later in the game. and usually always against Steph.
I really just don't understand how hard or blatant you have to foul the guy for him to get a foul called.
It's amazing when he makes the shot/layup anyway, but it's still bullshit that just because he still showed a high percentage chance at making the shot, they just refuse to blow the whistle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2017, 12:43:31 AM
Russel Westbrook is now the 1st person in 55 years to average a triple double for the season, and the 2nd person in NBA history to have 43(?) triple doubles in a season.

He didn't get one tonight, but watching him give up on the game and just try to get 2 more assist was quite funny and sad as Booker and the Suns denied him at every opportunity...w/ an assist from Adams (on OKC) who refused to either take an assisted shot or make one. LOL

you got 3 more games Russ, you averaging a triple double in at least every other game. I'm sure you'll get the record.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 09, 2017, 07:56:38 PM
Crazy BBall day today.

yesterday Durant returns, good game. expected Warriors win 14 game win streak leading up to the Playoffs. 13 of them w/o Durant.

But today, The Cavs lose to the Hawks after being up 26pts in the 4th Qtr.
Hawks sub in the 2nd squad, who was responsible for the 114-100 win against the Cavs on Fri in Cleveland. Todays game they came back w/ 44pts in the 4th to Cav's 18, tied the game for OT.
Lebron fouls out in OT, Love almost fouled out, but they reversed the call. Lue benches him anyway.
Kyrie hits a clucth buzzer beater 3, but it was too late as the Cavs lost by 1 pt.
I don't know how the Cavs managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of Victory, but they did it!!!
Congrats Lebron, you must be proud.

Then Russel Westbrook manages to get his Triple Double Record after failing to force about 1 dozen assist. and thankfully it finally happened when he decided he needed the win more than the record, because as soon as he got it, he was able to focus on scoring. After a minor ref assist (flagrant foul + tech on Jokic) gave WB an extra point and the ball back, WB carried on to score the final 15 point for OKC including a last second buzzer beater 3 that gave OKC the 1pt lead and the win.

I don't know if that boost his campaign for MVP, but it was pretty impressive once he stopped chasing the record how he got his team the win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 13, 2017, 12:37:43 AM
FINALLY. SEASON IS OVER. BRING ON THE PLAYOFFS!


Really feel bad about the Heat. Erik Spoelstra is legit one of the 5 best coaches in the league. To go 30-11 with that terrible roster after starting 11-30 says a lot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2017, 09:42:35 PM
They only needed the Hawks to shut down the Pacers, and the 8th seed was there's for the taking.
and it would have been so glorious as that would've put the Cavs vs the Bulls, and they haven't beat the Bulls all season long.

Warriors were looking in ACE condition tonight (outside of Klay) everyone was having a great game.

I find it so funny that everyone was saying that the Cavs were coasting... not caring about the regular season, etc etc etc.
Just because Lebron gave up at the end because he was frustrated that his team couldn't get it done, doesn't mean that he didn't lose twice the Hawks, playing FULL game minutes and still losing.

If he was coasting and not caring, he would have been sitting more and making his bench work w/o him win or lose. The narrative is such BS. And I honestly think he conceded 1st to the Celtics because he knew he didn't want to face the Bulls round 1. and if he could, I'm sure he would have conceded 2nd as well, as that would've eliminated any chance that he might have had to face the Heat too. But hopefully the Pacers give them a run for their money. and if they make it out of the 1st round, a playoff ready Raptors are waiting for them , then the finals could be challenging as well with a tested Hawks or Cavs ready Bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2017, 05:55:55 AM
Playoffs 1st round are set... anyone care to predict the outcomes? best matchups? biggest upsets?

My personal belief is that Lebron tanked at the end, not only due to frustration, but to avoid the Bulls.
If it wasn't for the Hawks resting against the Pacers, the Cavs almost got the Bulls and the Celtics would have had to take the Heat. Might have had 2 major upsets in the 1st round LOL.

The Lineup look like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/zq7xRqH.png)

for the East
But I'm hoping that the TNT Bulls can give the Celtics a run for their money, if not an outright upset. Wade in playoff mode, Rondo in playoff mode, paired w/ Butler and boosted by the TNT broadcast in 3 of the first 4 games, 1 of which is in Chicago. You know this one has to go atleast 6.
I'm also hoping that the Pacers show up and give the Cavs more than they expected and at least take that series to 7. Lebron may be able to flip a switch, and Kyrie may be clutch as ****, but can the rest of the team keep up?
I expect Toronto to handle the Bucks and the The Wiz the handle the Hawks. nothing much to say on those 2 matchups.


for the West
Warrior sweep on Portland... maybe 5, but no more than 1 trip to Portland for sure.
Spurs v Grizz is surely gonna be a game of executed excellence, but an absolute BORE to watch. expecting scores to hit around 75-85 each. Spurs will come out on top.
Rockets v OKC is gonna be fun to watch, Battle of the "MVP's". All comes down to shots. If they hittin' Rockets win, otherwise Thunder moves forward. and a series to watch for sure will be the Clips v the Jazz.
I know we all want the Clips to fail yet again, but wouldn't be even better if they finally make it out of the 1st round, only to look up and see the Warriors waiting for them on the home court. Such the bitter sweet ending for the Clips. I look forward to it.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
We better not get 4 games of Cavs v Pacers like this one. Pacers could have and should have won this 1st encounter.they only needed to get it inside and draw a foul, hit some freethrows and that was game.

or if PG had just hit 1 more freethrow at the end, it would be in OT right now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2017, 06:42:30 PM
I think it was a good defensively play. You don't let the best player shoot the game winner.  That's a solid strategy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2017, 08:59:06 PM
Bucks with the first upset over the Raptors.
Giannis in beast mode.

And the Grizz doing all the can to keep the Spurs at bay.
I'm not expecting an upset here, regardless of how well the Grizz control the scoring flow of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2017, 11:47:47 PM
welp, Memphis got stuffed and mounted above Pop's mantle. 30pt blow out. it started off well for the 1st half.

and the Clippers may have had a lucky break (pun intended) as Gobert goes down w/ a left knee sprain in the first 17 seconds of Game 1 of the playoffs.... it has yet to be seen if the Clips are determined to lose anyway though.
It's practically halftime right now and the Clips are down... so who knows.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 18, 2017, 01:13:57 AM
I have alerts from the Score on my phone. At one point tonight I looked down at my phone and saw that Cleveland was leading the Pacers 109-94 halfway through the 4th. Less than 15 minutes later my phone buzzes again to tell me the score is 109-104 with less than 2:30 remaining. If only Paul George had some help man. Cleveland can't keep a 4th quarter lead to save their lives.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on April 18, 2017, 08:18:45 AM
Cleveland's efense can't stop me right now, full stop.

Also, Memphis's coach might want to start a GoFundMe after he tore the refs several new orifices last night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2017, 10:11:37 AM
Cleveland's efense can't stop me right now, full stop.

Also, Memphis's coach might want to start a GoFundMe after he tore the refs several new orifices last night.

I bet he'd get more than enough to cover his fines, and any other fines he accrues over the next 2 games as well.
And if he promises to keep it up during the rest of the playoffs, like showing up to GSW post game press conferences to repeatedly call out **** like this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td7Z36BfU7U
I'm sure he'll raise enough to cover any fines for the rest of the playoffs, and earn himself a pretty penny on the side too. LOL

I might even donate. Someone needs to keep calling out the BS calls/no-calls that keep happening. If you gonna call it one way, call it the other way too, or just don't call it at all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 20, 2017, 05:26:43 PM
It's official. JaVale McGee was a big factor in a Warriors playoff win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
JAVAAAAAAALE McMVP!!!!

Bet Shaq ain't got **** to say. McGee is my favorite new Warrior of the season. I only knew of him from Shaqtin' a Fool previously, but he has been the most exciting part of the Warriors line-up when he comes in. part of my favorite lineup.

Curry, Klay, Dray, Iggy, McGee
or
Curry, Klay, Dray, Durant, McGee

any mix of Curry, Dray, and McGee works for me.
I love Klay, Iggy and Durant too, so when any mix of that 6, with the Core 3 out there, and there's potential for a good exciting game.


edit: Oh and the Cavs getting blown out in Indiana right now, and Chuck just admitted that the Warriors play good Defense. I know it was really hard for him to say something positive about the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on April 21, 2017, 09:58:55 AM
And the Pacers lost.................

Paul George is going to look great in a Lakers uniform in 2018.

And just so we're clear, Paul George won't make the Lakers good if they don't do more than add one player (particularly if they subtract assets just to get him instead of waiting out a year). If you're going to be on a mediocre team, might as well be on Manhattan Beach while you're at it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on April 21, 2017, 10:12:04 AM
Meanwhile, in Milwaukee...

(http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Meanwhile, in Milwaukee...

(http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif)

The Bucks brought them out to the Barney theme....

fucking BARNEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSSNVhRg2M&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftSSNVhRg2M&feature=youtu.be)
(http://i.imgur.com/8gkMCq8.jpg)

and the way the game turned out... it couldn't have been more hilarious and appropriate.


that double block double block (elbow then swat) by Giannis was just monstrous. that man is a long armed beast.


But today we find out that Rajon Rondo has a hairline fracture in his thumb, and hilariously, this is teh break that the #1 seed in the East needed to finally get an edge on the #8 seed in the East to maybe finally get their first win in this opening series. Lucky for the Celtics, this game also is not on TNT, so this is their chance.


edit: also looks like Westbrook may have won MVP
http://www.thedreamshake.com/2017/4/21/15378112/russell-westbrook-nba-mvp-james-harden-vote-tracking
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2017, 10:22:02 AM
I wanted to post this for those that haven't seen it
Game of Zones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EooT6gFzOxA&index=3&list=PLoqDIJHlyN3NIPW9D37rQEceGNZEiRmMX (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EooT6gFzOxA&index=3&list=PLoqDIJHlyN3NIPW9D37rQEceGNZEiRmMX)

this is the entire playlist, but the play list is backwards, so you need to start from the oldest vid at the bottom and work your way to the most recent at the top.

**** is pretty damn funny. NBA themed parody on Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2017, 02:28:47 AM
Since this entire forum is dead, and now I'm just basically talking to myself I'll just celebrate over here that my Warriors are up 3-0 (came back from a 16 point deficit in the first half - JaMailman McMVP to the resue!!!)
The Grizz tied their series 2-2 (crazy game in the 4th and OT - Kawhi is not human)
The Hawks won one making their series 2-1  (Wall was the only Wizard to show up today)
and the Clippers won making it 2-1 in their favor (Griffin out w/ another post-season ending injury...)

Hopefully the Pacers can stay alive tomorrow (which sucks for them as they should be up 2-1 right now)
and the Bulls can win another against the Celts (would be 3-0 if Rondo hadn't hurt himself)
The Bucks need to annihilate the Raptors in their next game to take a 3-2 lead (todays game was terribad).
and last but not least, OKC needs another home victory to tie the series 2-2. WB may have won MVP for regular season (not confirmed yet) but he needs to stick it to Harden to solidify his case.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 23, 2017, 03:34:39 AM
All the sports threads on this site are 90% one person talking to themselves.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 23, 2017, 09:43:03 AM
This first round has been pretty butt really. A bunch of overmatched teams who have no shot at winning getting blown out pretty regularly and now everyone is starting to get injured. The dragged out nature of a 7 game series first round after the boring drag of March/April regular season basketball is not a good look for the league.


I wish I was more excited for the Warriors but I came into this postseason knowing Round 1 was pretty much a given. Nurkic made yesterday's game slightly more exciting but I knew GS had a run in them Portland would be unable to stop. Conference Semis is where I really start getting into it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2017, 11:36:38 AM
Nurkic was not looking good. I know he broke his leg 3 weeks ago!!! but he was kinda hobbled out there and couldn't really jump or run. I know he provided a positive presence in the paint, and it was basically his last chance this season to make an impact for his team, but he was also a liability that Blazers were lucky that Warriors didn't try to fully exploit.
I fully expect him to NOT play the 4th game and risk further injury just to avoid a sweep, when the writing is already on the wall: The Blazers are not advancing.

The Grizz / Spurs game was crazy in the end. They were defenitely not getting ROOKED last night. Even though Kawhi went off in the fourth and OT basically carrying his team back from a double digit deficit, the Grizz just managed to stay 1 step ahead, as they had more than one player on the court. If someone could have gotten Kawhi that full synthetic oil a little sooner, it would have been 3-1 Spurs right now. I expect the next 2 games to be quite the match up over here. Not sure who is gonna win in the end, but I still favor the Spurs just because Kawhi is that good.

(http://i.imgur.com/8Rb6dQk.jpg)

Pretty much every East Conference game has been a snoozefest with a few highlight here, and a few highlights there.

as far as todays games go:

Cavs @ Pacers... I think we know the outcome. Cavs win the series in 4 or 5, either way who cares. Pacers had their opportunity to be up 2-1 on the Cavs and blew both chances. I've lost all faith in PG13 to pull out any meaningful win in this series. At this point, Lebrons end season concession is looking like some advanced chess move, but I would love to be wrong though.

Rockets @ Thunder - this is gonna be a battle royal. I still hate the game that Harden plays, and would love for WB to dominate the entire game, maybe even w/ another 40+ point triple double,  but if the rest of the Thunder don't show up and help, it's gonna be a lost cause for OKC.
The league really needs to address the issue that Harden is working so hard to draw attention to by absolutely abusing, the offense initiated contact to draw a foul. This really either needs to become a non-call or even better, an offensive foul, as that's exactly what it is.

Celtics @ Bulls - I'm pulling for the Bulls all day on this one. They may be a dysfunctional team, but Rondo will be back by game 5 or 6, and I know Lebron doesn't want to face them. Celtics just don't have what it takes to be a serious contender to anyone in a 7 game series, and it sucks what IT is going through, but they cannot present a serious threat to the Wiz or the Cavs, and certainly not the Spurs, Rockets or Warriors. TNTBulls at least stand a chance in the East against the top teams.

Clippers @ Jazz - Clippers are doomed if they do and doomed if they don't. But won't it be SO EXCITING to watch them get absolutely demolished by the Warriors in the 2nd round, especially knowing just how much they hate that team for being so damn good? The fireworks alone from the implosion of CP3 and DeAndre to the rest of the team, and Doc blowing up and the front office not knowing what to do, and the look on Blake Griffin's face when he realized he's about to be traded as the team is blown up in the off season. I don't know when Gobert will be back, but if it isn't this game, it will be the next. I know the Jazz don't want to go down 3-1 and have to defend their playoff existence back in LA, but Gobert isn't ready to play, do you risk injury for an all but guaranteed 1st round anyway just to bring him back today?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on April 23, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
LeBron sweeps and sets the record for most playoffs sweeps.

I agree that the 7 series might be too much.  Honestly, there's almost too much NBA.  Too many games don't really matter.  The shortened season from the lockout a few years back was one of the best because of how short it was.  I think the league would be better off going to that format permanently.  However, I don't think anyone involved in the decision making would vote for that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2017, 12:12:13 AM
Pacers are garbage. PG is garbage. He had a press conference saying "I should get that last shot"
he got a gatorade commercial where he uses what looks like recent Lebron moments and attributed them to a commercial of "What if" it was Paul George instead. They gave him the last shot and he MISSED EVERYTHING.... it was hilariously sad.
swept for the first time in Pacers history, and they should have already been up 2-1 in the series. disappointing.

Bulls disappointed. They came back from down 15 or something, and made it a 1 point game to go right back down by 11 or something like that. I really don't see the lure of Jimmy Butler... I've tried, this is probably the 10th Bulls game I've watched this season, and I'm just not impressed by individually or the team as a whole (w/o Rondo). It doesn't help that IT ran game on these fools in the paint too.
I think the Bulls may still pull this one off, but the TNT Bulls is asteriks with *w/Rondo. Neither team has won a home game. so if that continues, that's in the Bulls favor. I personally don't care who wins, as either team will likely be smoked by The Wizards anyway. I was just pulling for the Bulls just incase they happened to keep it together and make it to the ECFinals.

I can't believe the Clippers chocked this one away in the final 4 minutes. Gobert was limited. Hayward **** himself in the locker room and got sent home and the Clips got schooled by Iso Joe in the final minutes of game 4. CP3 gotta be so damn frustrated.

and the Thunder... what can I say about this game other than Oladipo is a moron. OKC coach is a dumbass, and Roberson needs to figure out how he can shoot the 3 so well, but the free throw is apparently too difficult. Russ couldn't have done more to put his team in a position to win, and 2 people (Oladipo & the Coach) basically pissed it away in the final seconds of the game. This was very winnable, and Russ and Roberson are not the ones to blame.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 24, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
This was very winnable, and Russ and Roberson are not the ones to blame.

Nah, I'm totally blaming Westbrook for his piss-poor shot selection on those last 2 minutes. What we're seeing right now is the natural end-game of a team that chose to be carried by a single person. A team where the 4 other guys on the floor end up so demoralized by having to get carried that they can barely dribble a basketball it seems. Westbrook gets lauded for all the heroics, and he did a lot in those final minutes of Game 4. But he also:

- Ran into Nene and shot/flinged the ball resulting in a turnover. That was the end result of not really running a play and Houston's ball-denial on Russ.
- Bricked a 3 pointer. Ok fine, Houston couldn't get the rebound. OKC got it back
- He bricks another 3 pointer somehow making it look worse than the previous one because he was trying to get a call from the refs.
- After his heroic three pointer off the Adams FT miss, he immediately leaves his man to join a 4-1 quadruple team. As a result of this Trevor Ariza, who was THE GUY WHO THREW THE INBOUNDS PASS, slipped by everyone a caught Gordon's pass to set up a 2 on 1 with Nene against Steven Adams.
- Bricks a 3 pointer on a catch and shoot.
- Runs into Steven Adams and coughs up the ball. GAME OVER.

We can't laud Westbrook and then turn around and **** all over Oladipo, Donovan and the rest of the team for whatever happened. The team chose to defer to Russ all season and is now ill-prepared to compete in a 7 game playoff series. This should surprise no one.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2017, 09:35:21 PM
Nope. They all made mistakes, but the one that definitively cost then the game was coach not subbing out Roberson after the second foul when it became apparent that they were going to hack him for missed free throws. Not after the fourth.
Then Oladipo for not immediately fouling on that inbounds while the game was in reach. And then on whoever it was for touch fouling Nene on the layup when they should have hard fouled/wrapped him up, forcing only 2 free throws, and not an &1 situation putting the game out of reach.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 24, 2017, 10:26:38 PM
And Westbrook went 1/4 from 3 point range and had 3 turnovers in the last 2 minutes of the game. Regardless of what Oladipo or Jerami Grant did or did not do, it all falls on Westbrook when they lose, just like it all falls on him when they win. This is what he wanted to do this season.


Hell, Westbrook so into his attitude this year he doesn't even mind stealing questions meant for Steven Adams in the post game press conferences.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2017, 01:59:39 AM
LOL. I agree. But it's not his fault everyone one else on his team can barely create their own offense.
But his usage rate to have to distribute the ball when he is in does kill most chances for other players to get in any sort of rhythm.

But enough about Westbrick.

How bout dem WARRIORS!!!!
Holy **** this game.

I think it started out something like 29-4 in the first 7 minutes. Warriors ended up tying the Playoff record of 45 in the 1st all because Dray couldn't hit 1 of 2 free throws at the end of the quarter....
The Blazers were absolutely shook tho. They didn't know what to do, and the Warriors just came out so explosive that all the blazers were in shock. I don't think they got a shot of in the first 2 minutes of the game, and didn't actually score till the warriors were almost up by 20.
Dagger after dagger after dagger. First Durant w/ a 3, then Klay, the Dray, then Curry, then Dray again, then Klay again and then Curry again... and again and again. It was brutal. I almost felt bad for the Blazers, but no mercy in the playoffs.


I made this on my phone and put it up on my IG
(http://i.imgur.com/D2kg0oK.png)
so excuse the low quality and look of lack of effort. LOL




(http://i.imgur.com/0bZKtLa.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on April 25, 2017, 09:20:37 PM
The Westbrook conversation reminds me of the early LeBron days.  He still doesn't get credit for dragging a team of lifeless nobodies to the finals because he got swept in the finals.  But that's all he did during his first stint with the Cavs: drag lifeless nobodies through the playoffs.

Pardon the pun, but Paul George (who I'm just realizing has two first names) has had a bad break.  He got injured when his team was most competitive and now it feels like his career is reset.  I honestly hope he finds a new home where he can compete.  Kinda like how LeBron did.

Speaking of great players and bad teams, Westbrook gets props for staying in OKC, but he needs to go.  If only there was a team who could maybe take both?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Maybe PG should go join the Wizards, or the Heat.
Westbrook.... Stay where he's at, get another all-star level ball handler, and a playmaker that can shoot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 25, 2017, 11:13:04 PM
In the six minutes Westbrook spent resting on the bench tonight the Rockets outscored the Thunder 27-9. Ridiculously bad.


That being said, I don't know why anyone would want to join that tire fire in the offseason. Westbrook needs a change of scenery.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 26, 2017, 02:18:49 AM
I just don't see where he would go, and who would want him with his style of play.
He also seems pretty loyal to anchor tied to his ankle in OKC. He might try to triple double it one more year, and maybe get lucky on getting a vet or two before trade deadlines next year if they are in a position to make a playoff run again.

But OKC is out, but Harden got called on one of his bullshit offensive grabbing fouls.
Ref almost gave it to him, but then common sense overtook him and he called it an offensive foul. what a fucking relief. It ultimately didn't matter, but it's progress. I hope they keep nailing him on that **** everytime he tries to desperately pull it off.
 
Spurs are 1 away from moving on, but Conley and the Grizz put up a helluva fight. The next game is probably gonna be a good one. Maybe they'll move it to TNT and off of NBAtv so everyone can watch it.
and the Jazz are 1 away from moving on, but i'm not sure they are ready for what comes next.
CP3 refused to let his team die w/o a fight though. in the end Hawyard and Iso Joe just kept pouring it on. Whether it be in the next game or 2, or the 4 that come after that, there will be some fireworks in LA very soon. Loud Explosions stars flying everywhere. It's gonna be a sight to behold.


Tomorrow:

Hawks @ Wizards
Bulls @ Celtics

I see the Wiz taking gm5 and the Bulls taking gm5, but only time will tell.
Both series could go the full 7
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on April 26, 2017, 01:52:55 PM
I just don't see where he would go, and who would want him with his style of play.
He also seems pretty loyal to anchor tied to his ankle in OKC. He might try to triple double it one more year, and maybe get lucky on getting a vet or two before trade deadlines next year if they are in a position to make a playoff run again.


He played like this when Durant was with the team, I don't see why any vet would think this team would be good for a deep playoff run next year either.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2017, 02:57:44 PM
Of course the Jazz would finally have a good season the year I have no means of actually watching any of their games. -_-

On a happy note, Chris Paul is continuing his streak of never getting a team to the Conference Finals. ^_^

(No, I'm not a CP3 fan. Just another overrated pretender to Stockton's legacy)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2017, 03:11:07 PM
Well, your Jazz failed to finish off the Clips in gm6, so now this series is the ONLY game 7 of round 1.
what's funny though is even though the Rockets Spurs and the Cavs Raptors could have started sooner, the Celts Wiz series starts tomorrow.
NO REST. LOL.
NBA gives no fucks. lol
I guess that's the reward for those that finished sooner, more rest.

My Warriors don't play again till Tuesday. as we are waiting on the sacrificial lamb of Jazzy Clips.
GO CLIPPERS!!!

Anyone care to make game by game predictions?

Sun: Wiz @ Celts game 1  // Jazz @ Clips game 7
Mon: Raps @ Cavs game 1  // Rockets @ Spurs game 1
Tues: Wiz @ Celts game 2*  // ? ? ? @ Warriors game 1


*need to see how gm1 turns out before predictions on gm2.

I'm betting on the
Wiz taking gm1
Clips taking gm7
Cavs taking gm1
Spurs taking gm1
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2017, 07:35:18 PM
Anyone care to make game by game predictions?

Sun: Wiz @ Celts game 1  // Jazz @ Clips game 7
Mon: Raps @ Cavs game 1  // Rockets @ Spurs game 1
Tues: Wiz @ Celts game 2*  // ? ? ? @ Warriors game 1


*need to see how gm1 turns out before predictions on gm2.

I'm betting on the
Wiz taking gm1
Clips taking gm7
Cavs taking gm1
Spurs taking gm1

I figured I would elaborate since I have a moment and wandered back here.

Wiz taking gm1 - I don't see the Celtics as particularly competitive. They happen to beat an 8th seed that lacked any energy or motivation to play after Rondo was sidelined. otherwise I think the Bulls may have taken it in 4. unfortunate Rondo got hurt. I feel if the Hawks had actually played for the win in the final game of the season and beat the Pacers, the Heat would have run the Celtics out the building in 4, and the Bulls would have won atleast the first game or 2 on the Cavs. Long story short, playoff Celtics have not impressed.

Clips taking gm7 - This is more hope than anything. Jazz are perfectly capable of taking out the Clips, but the Clips are capable of beating the Jazz as well. Gobert or no Gobert. Clips just seem like more fun in round 2 to me than the Jazz. Either team is headed for a hopeless 2nd round in 5 at most. Warriors are in playground mode right now, like they running game on the blacktop.

Cavs taking gm1 - The Raptors failed to impress me at any point during that Bucks series. Maybe the Bucks were just matching them up really good, but I saw little from Lowry, and if he isn't going to show up and leave it all up to Derozan, the Cavs aren't going to have too much trouble finishing this series in 5. Ibaka also needs to step his game up too. I'm hoping it's actually a much better match up than I'm picturing in my head, as the Raptors have been gearing up to beat the Cavs. I just hope they show up in a way that they didn't in the Bucks series.

Spurs taking gm1 - If the Rockets game is anything like in the OKC series, I don't expect them to get bailed out by 20+ missed freethrows and a few fake shooting offensive grabs from the 3pt line called as BS shooting fouls to give Harden or Williams 3 free shots. Spurs are too smart for that ****, and Harden got called for one in gm5 of the last series. I think the Refs may be tired of it too (thank gawd). Besides, Kawhi has been in beast mode offensively and defensively, and unless the Rockets are target locked from the outside, I think game 1 is home victory

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on April 29, 2017, 10:50:40 PM
Round 2 starting Sunday with Round 1 still ongoing is fucking absurd.  Especially since the teams that swept (or are playing the teams that swept) are getting extra days.

I hope the NBA's efforts to fix their scheduling issues extends to the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2017, 11:40:32 PM
The level of IDGAF when it comes to scheduling and refereeing in the NBA is quite hilarious in all the wrong ways.


Round 2 is officially set. Clippers make the expected early exit from the playoff, yet again.


Short thoughts on the Jazz @ Warriors gm1 - Jazz get no rest.. well Gobert got plenty of rest today having only played like 12 minutes before fouling out. LOL But coming in already warmed up, maybe even a little bruised up, vs a Warriors team that's been chillin', well rested and probably gambled on watching nothing but Jazz tape this past week knowing that the Clips weren't gonna make the cut, I don't see this going the Jazz way, as the only things that seems to stop the warriors is themselves. The Warriors are focused and ready to play, while the Jazz barely get a moment to breathe... at least they were already in California, so travel shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: broodwars on May 01, 2017, 02:07:59 AM
As a Jazz fan, look...we know this round is the end, but this is much-needed experience for a team that hasn't been in the playoffs since none of the current team were here. They weren't even supposed to beat the Clippers, so they're just happy to be there at this point. That said, the Jazz are never an "easy out" in the playoffs, as the Warriors saw their "Cinderella year". The Jazz will go down fighting, probably in 5-6 games.


The most important thing here is that Chris Paul still can't lead a team in the playoffs. :P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2017, 08:59:24 PM
I dunno man... I'm sure the Jazz won't go down easy, but I expect the Dubs to "son" the Jazz much like the Cavs are doing to the Raptors right now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: broodwars on May 01, 2017, 11:49:33 PM
I dunno man... I'm sure the Jazz won't go down easy, but I expect the Dubs to "son" the Jazz much like the Cavs are doing to the Raptors right now.

Ate you seriously comparing a series between 2 Eastern Conference teams & one between 2 teams from the BESTern Conference? :P Seriously, you aren't gift-wrapped a playoff appearance in the Western Conference, so I have a bit more faith that this match might be a TAD better than the usual Eastern Conference browbeating.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2017, 12:06:07 AM
I'm taking these series 1 game at a time.
I'm expecting the series to maybe go 5, and several of the games to be close.

But if it makes you feel better, the Warriors will treat the Jazz only slightly better than the pants down ass beating the Rockets gave the Spurs tonight....

Jazz come in consensual to their spanking, and we are even nice enough to give them a safe word. Just remember to play like you don't want it, as it's no fun when it's easy. ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2017, 02:44:31 AM
See, I told you we'd be gentle. It wasn't a rough ride, even if Curry had to make Gobert dance like a marrionette, Just 3 more games, and it will all be over. ;) :P

but on to the more interesting of the 2 games today..... I can't believe The Wiz blew that late 4th quarter lead, then miss the 2 game winning shots, and then got shut down by Isiah in OT.
and IT almost knocked his replaced tooth back out. LOL.
If the Celtics make it to the Finals, there is an underdog movie getting made on ABC or Lifetime about this Celtics team. The Wiz had this ****... or so it looked. But you could have said the same thing in the 1st game halfway through the 1st quarter.

So... who's got the Raps winning a game against the Cavs?
who's got the Spurs putting the hurt on the Rockets next game?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2017, 07:18:46 AM
*sigh* Oh well. The Jazz still had a great season after 5 years in the cellar rebuilding, and they'll be back here if they keep building on this team. At least they made Golden State earn it for 3/4 of the games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
I commend the Jazz for not acting like quitters after game 1, or after each 1st quarter like the Raptors. Hayward is as good player, and has a bright future. This team will be back in the playoffs next year if Hayward sticks around.
What was up with Gobert cutting that old Warriors W logo into his hair for game 3 & 4?

My only gripe with the Warriors in that series is that Durant refused to take it to Gobert down low. Kept throwing up soft shots to get blocked in the paint. Meanwhile Curry, Dray, Iggy and McGee were all happy to take it strong inside.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2017, 10:34:20 AM
The Jazz lost by an average of 15 points. Sure, the last game skewed the average upward, but the Jazz still lost each of the first three games by over 10 points. The Jazz were competitive, but I never thought the Warriors were in danger of losing any of those games.

The Jazz are in that weird treadmill mode. They're a good team with good players, but they aren't touching the Warriors, Spurs, or even the Rockets (if they manage to keep playing like Better 2007 Phoenix Suns). On top of that, isn't Gordon Hayward an unrestricted free agent? If he leaves, the Jazz may be trending downward for at least a couple years.

That's one of my issues with the NBA. At any one time, there are ever only three or four teams with a reasonable chance to win the championship. We're probably getting the third straight year of Warriors vs Cavs. Next year, we're probably getting another Warriors vs Cavs series. I actively dislike the Cavs, mostly because Dan Gilbert is a fucking wiener. At some point, I'm going to get tired of seeing the Warriors win all the time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
The Jazz lost by an average of 15 points. Sure, the last game skewed the average upward, but the Jazz still lost each of the first three games by over 10 points. The Jazz were competitive, but I never thought the Warriors were in danger of losing any of those games.

The Jazz are in that weird treadmill mode. They're a good team with good players, but they aren't touching the Warriors, Spurs, or even the Rockets (if they manage to keep playing like Better 2007 Phoenix Suns). On top of that, isn't Gordon Hayward an unrestricted free agent? If he leaves, the Jazz may be trending downward for at least a couple years.

That's one of my issues with the NBA. At any one time, there are ever only three or four teams with a reasonable chance to win the championship. We're probably getting the third straight year of Warriors vs Cavs. Next year, we're probably getting another Warriors vs Cavs series. I actively dislike the Cavs, mostly because Dan Gilbert is a fucking wiener. At some point, I'm going to get tired of seeing the Warriors win all the time.

But that time hasn't come yet.
I think the bigger problem is the defeatist attitude from teams like the Raptors that think they are never gonna win against LeBron and may even think of migrating to the West because they wouldn't have to face him... :/
Did you see the comments from Derozan and Lowry?

The East needs to get it together. Celtics and Wizards are the type of attitude these other East teams need to take. Wiz thinks they are the best team in the NBA, ave The Celtics think they have the best underrated player on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2017, 11:15:20 PM
I wonder if people felt this way during the Jordan era.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2017, 03:18:04 AM
I wonder if people felt this way during the Jordan era.

They were actually talking about this yesterday on TV and Radio saying there a reason so and so, and people like Chuck never got a ring.... Jordan.

I'm sure some felt the same way about Kobe, and then now Lebron.

But no one is stopping them from taking less money and making a move to , or recruiting some talent to challenge the King of the East.
Running the West certainly isn't the answer, as then you have to face The Dubs, The Spurs & The Rockets. At least in the East there is only one main obstacle, and if you can figure out how to minimize the impact of 1 person, you have a chance to minimize the impact of the entire squad he rolls with.... not so much the case at least with the Warriors.

Things could have been more interesting if the Blazers didn't face the Warriors first round.
Rondo didn't get injured, and the Heat made the 8th seed instead of the Pacers making the 7th.
Actually, if we could have bounced them shook ass Raptors out of the playoffs all together, eveything would have been better in the East.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 10, 2017, 06:49:47 AM
The East has been largely terrible for twenty years now. A trifecta of poor ownership, a hard cap, and guaranteed contracts make it nearly impossible for teams to improve. With the exception of a year or two, professional basketball has been particularly dreadful in the Northeast.

There's been some bad luck too. San Antonio was allowed to get away with tanking the season when David Robinson and Sean Elliot went down injured early and they ended up stealing Tim Duncan from the three slot in the lottery. Little things like that have long term effects on parity when you have a hard cap/guaranteed contracts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 10, 2017, 01:04:50 PM
I wonder if people felt this way during the Jordan era.

They were actually talking about this yesterday on TV and Radio saying there a reason so and so, and people like Chuck never got a ring.... Jordan.

I'm sure some felt the same way about Kobe, and then now Lebron.

But no one is stopping them from taking less money and making a move to , or recruiting some talent to challenge the King of the East.
Running the West certainly isn't the answer, as then you have to face The Dubs, The Spurs & The Rockets. At least in the East there is only one main obstacle, and if you can figure out how to minimize the impact of 1 person, you have a chance to minimize the impact of the entire squad he rolls with.... not so much the case at least with the Warriors.

Things could have been more interesting if the Blazers didn't face the Warriors first round.
Rondo didn't get injured, and the Heat made the 8th seed instead of the Pacers making the 7th.
Actually, if we could have bounced them shook ass Raptors out of the playoffs all together, eveything would have been better in the East.

I dunno.  I think the other rounds of the playoffs were pretty good aside from the two dominant forces.  The first round had 1 seven game series, 4 six game series, a 5 gamer, and two sweeps.  We're looking at 2 series going at least six and 2 sweeps.

People act like the playoffs are boring, but really it's just no one cares about anyone other than the two powerhouses.  Plus, how exciting would it be if both teams swept the entire playoffs for an epic rematch?

LeBron has a few years left, but that Warriors team has even fewer.  Once it's time for Steph to get paid, they'll have to make some potentially drastic moves.

The East has been largely terrible for twenty years now. A trifecta of poor ownership, a hard cap, and guaranteed contracts make it nearly impossible for teams to improve. With the exception of a year or two, professional basketball has been particularly dreadful in the Northeast.

There's been some bad luck too. San Antonio was allowed to get away with tanking the season when David Robinson and Sean Elliot went down injured early and they ended up stealing Tim Duncan from the three slot in the lottery. Little things like that have long term effects on parity when you have a hard cap/guaranteed contracts.

Are you referring to the salary cap?  I thought it was a soft cap with the luxury tax?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 10, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
You are correct. What I meant was a hard ceiling on salary. There is none in baseball, the luxury tax just goes 1 to 1 above a certain level (I believe).

Edit: or put another way, the softness of the cap is just the additional amount the team can go over and pay luxury tax on, but there is an eventual limit on salary. So, for example, the Knicks can't just eat Noah's wages. The contract will still factor into their overall limits on player compensation.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
I'm enjoying most of the playoffs, but that doesn't mean that even if we shuffled a few teams around, some of those other teams wouldn't have met the same fate as the other teams that fell already.

I'm hopeful on the Wizards v Cavs to be competitive, and I still think the Celts are a weak #1 that should've be down 3-1 if not already swept by the Wiz, and that's if they didn't get originally swept by the 8 seed Bulls if Rondo didn't get hurt.

All what if's at this point, but the Heat, the Wiz, the Raptors and the Cavs were 4 teams I expected great things out of. 1 didn't make the cut, the other never showed up, and the last 2 are hopefully about to face off.
I don't think the Cavs are invincible in the East, but they need a team that's not afraid to take it to them, really good at scoring at will, and can defend not just LeBron, but the perimeter and the paint, all at the same time with some consistency.
I think the Wiz is our only hope at a good series for the ECF.
Playoff Bron and the boys will abuse the poor Celtics. They aren't ready for all that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 12, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Personally, I think the NBA salary caps are kind of a joke.  People always complain they're pointless, but I think they've always been too low to be effective.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: broodwars on May 14, 2017, 01:44:43 AM
Personally, I think the NBA salary caps are kind of a joke.  People always complain they're pointless, but I think they've always been too low to be effective.

I think the fact that the Warriors went 72-9 last season and STILL had the money to buy Durrant pretty much makes that clear. Unfortunately, 2-3 teams just buying 90% of the talent in the league has been an issue for decades, and big market teams can just eat the luxury tax so THAT'S a joke. Makes it near-impossible for small market teams to stay competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2017, 02:40:54 AM
But the Warriors stayed UNDER the salary cap, and still had room to get Durant.
Warriors didn't buy up all the talent, they drafted most of it and picked up people like Curry on the cheap after injury.

The Cavs on the other hand went WAAAAY over the cap, and into the Luxury tax to get the firepower they have now. The Warriors got lucky in acquisitions and development, and then luring Durant to put them over the top... of the top....

Teams NY and LA are the ones that usually get to keep pushing salary caps and make it up in the Luxury through income of being in a larger market.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

but long story short, GSW didn't buy all their talent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 14, 2017, 07:41:33 AM
The NBA CBA is extremely complicated as Nick Mitch pointed out when he corrected my "hard cap" comment. (With some simplification) the amounts of contracts are relatively predictable because salaries are slotted by years of service. Part of the reason the Warriors could sign Durant is that Curry hasn't "earned" a max contract (let alone his second) yet. Curry may end up the highest paid player in NBA history this summer given the timing of his contract renewal, the new media deal, and the new CBA that will allow GS to offer a substantially higher salary than competitiors. Their payroll won't get really complicated until it's time for Durant or his replacement to resign. There is a essentially a Stephen Curry exemption in the new CBA that allows teams to give up to 35% of the cap to a player if they meet certain criteria. It's specifically designed to incentivize superstars to sign with the team they drafted.

I haven't seen any evidence of small market teams not being able to compete on base payroll, and I don't think I'd believe it even if I saw it. The national media deal alone is worth 2.6 billion annually. Small market teams' recruiting struggles are with lower off-court revenue opportunities and lifestyle offerings. That's part of the reason teams are allowed to pay over the salary bands to resign players they have had under contract for a certain number of years.

I specifically didn't use the word "unfair" in my post because I didn't want to go down a subjective rabbit hole. Fans in small market teams have good arguments about ensuring access to the best talent and fans in large market teams have good arguments that by having salary without corresponding price controls, they are effectively subsidizing the entertainment choices of small market fans. However, it doesn't seem controversial to suggest that the CBA is a major impediment to teams in the East from improving, since the whole point of it is to keep the Atlantic division teams from being able to just buy their way out of their mistakes. And because the contracts are garaunteed, those mistakes reverberate for years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2017, 11:45:38 AM
Sounds like smarter people need to make smarter choices when it comes to contracts ;)
I know a lot of it is getting lucky, as no one knows the future, but on the other hand, good on the players for "getting theirs" while they have the chance.

and I know Durant wanted to come to GSW for several reasons, some of which had to do with off the court brand/wealth expansion opportunities. Bay Area is a tech capital for the US/World, so many opportunities for start ups, endorsements, general connections around many different industries.
For as much flack as KD got, I'm sure 70% of the major stars in the NBA would have taken the same deal if offered, so they can all hate if they want to, but the game is business, and the business is a game. Either way you got to play to win.


Game in 4hrs. I'm excited and ready to get this **** started. LOL

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2017, 02:23:19 PM
Steph Curry is making less than JR Smith this season.  Not to undermine JR Smith's abilities, but that's kinda absurd.  Also, Golden State is paying the luxury tax (http://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/).

I don't think smaller market teams are unable to compete because of the caps, but the draft being a lottery means they need to tank and get lucky (admittedly, odds improve with tanking) to get the pick and hope the pick works out to be competitive long-term.  But whenever people talk about getting rid of it, I think the smaller market teams would be the ones hurt most for reasons Rygar said.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 14, 2017, 04:47:30 PM
That's interesting. I knew teams tanked in the short term, and there's the absurdity of the Sixers, but I never considered the long term effects on the conference when so many teams are incentivized to tank year-after-year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2017, 06:10:11 PM
It's not just the conference, it's the league as a whole.  In order to be competitive, you have to get lucky twice and play the long game, OR play free agency.  Without salary caps, teams could pay "max" salaries to as many players as they wanted.  So, then you get teams that are hot right now (Golden State, Cleveland), teams in big markets (LA, NYC), and teams in attractive cities (Miami) pulling all the talent.  Teams still stuck in the long game risk bankruptcy as they lose season ticket holders due to losing seasons (Philly), and teams in less-than-attractive cities (Milwaukee, Minnesota) won't ever get top talent as a lot of players would probably take pay cuts to live elsewhere or compete for titles.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 14, 2017, 06:22:56 PM
I'm applying the principle backwards. The original point I'm focusing on is the long term futility of the Eastern Conference and how it seems a somewhat insoluble problem.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 14, 2017, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, ok.

Well, LeBron has to retire at some point, so there's that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: rygar on May 14, 2017, 06:40:51 PM
Lol, I'm not sure I should want that. The Knicks aren't good enough for it to matter and the Eastern Conference is essentially a B league without LeBron.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2017, 09:26:41 AM
Without Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker, the Spurs got worked.

The Celtics got the top pick in the draft because Danny Ainge is an actual wizard and managed to trade their aging core to the Nets for three unprotected first round draft picks, some players (a few of whom aren't even in the league anymore), and the right to swap picks in 2017. It may have been unethical for Ainge to take advantage of the compromised mental faculties of Billy King who one can only surmise must have sustained brain trauma prior to agreeing to that deal in 2013. It's important to note that the Celtics get another unprotected Nets pick next year, the last of that trade.

RIP Nets
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on May 17, 2017, 12:19:23 PM
The continued owning of Russians in sports never ceases to amuse me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2017, 09:51:38 AM
So, LeBron, how do you feel about the Celtics series so far...?
(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/killer-ra/Kang.jpg~original)

So how would you sum up last nights game?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAFFMDIVYAQxTzt.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2017, 11:09:07 AM
LeBron has almost a 1ft advantage over IT.  Dude needs to to stay in his lane.

Seeing that play in motion is hilarious too.  IT basically just runs at him.  LeBron doesn't make the shot, so mission accomplished?  (He makes both subsequent free throws.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2017, 01:25:59 PM
IT got heart, as he's putting in that effort, but they were all terrible last night.

Cavs were kinda rusty just life the Warriors were, so if Celtics were gonna bring it, last night was their best window of opportunity secure a win and break the Cavs streak.
Not sure it won't be a sweep at this point, but Cavs are on cruise control right now, so maybe the Celtics can still surprise them ave sneak out a win tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2017, 09:53:10 AM
Peas and rice, Boston. Did you even try?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2017, 02:35:51 PM
last nights game was so pathetic, that they should have suited up Shaq, Kenny, Charles, KG and whoever else they had on hand for an exhibition starting 5 just for the 4th Qtr. Then bring in some randoms from the fan pool in the bleachers to fill in the bench.

The Celtics have been retired.

Quote
(http://i.imgur.com/fRTednd.jpg)

or maybe the NBA should enact a tag-in mode, where if the winner of the previous competitive series happens to get "Rook'd" in the following series for the 1st 2 games, that their opponent from the previous series get tagged in to take their place.
basically, I'm just saying we should pull the Wizards of of vacation and send the Celtics fishing instead.

Cavs set several different team and NBA records last night at the the expense of the Celtics for allowing the Make A Wish foundation to assemble a team that resembled an #1 seed NBA team all dressed in green NBA authentic jerseys, and stuck them in an actual game on national television.


but onto other things....
Kawhi ain't playing today for the Spurs. If the Warriors attempt to respond to the Cavs at the expense of the Spurs tonight, I don't think Pop's will play Kawhi in game 4 either. no need to risk further injury just to maybe win 1 game. Will probably just let LMA get the last of his Spurs time on the court before being traded in the off-season. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2017, 11:11:17 PM
That's better, Boston. Lose your leading scoring and best player then somehow come back from a double-digit lead and win a game on the road. Lebron James won't always have games like this so enjoy it while you can.

The Cavs are going to win this series, but if the Celtics can extend the series while the Warriors finish off a limping Spurs team, I may get what I want from the Finals: Golden State steamrolling Cleveland for no other reason than last year's Finals were a goddamn joke.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on May 22, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
Cleveland as always can't keep up their end of the deal and give us 2 12-0 teams in the Finals. Figures...


JaVale McGee has now been a major factor in two Warrior victories this postseason. Me from 8 months ago would have said you were crazy if you told him that then.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 22, 2017, 07:56:56 PM
I checked Twitter when I woke up this morning and was so freaking confused.  I had opted to watch wrasslin' which I was sure would be the less predictable sporting event of the night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2017, 12:50:53 AM
Warriors had to figure out how they were going to top last years season (24-0 start / 73-9 record) outside of winning the title this year....
How about a 12-0 sweep of the playoffs!? sure, why not.

I was super HYPED as I was watching the Celts pull the upset yesterday. My boys didn't believe me when I said, no lets go out and watch this game, it'll be worth it.
They said IT was done, and Celts would get blown out the building....
I said, naw... IT wasn't scoring, which makes him a liability on both ends of the court. They might be able to sneak one out without him on the floor.
Everyone kinda blew them off, until they got it close, and then I had a bunch of skeptics still, all the way up till that last 3pt shot bounced around and killed the clock before falling through the hoop.
The whole place erupted. Good times.

And what makes it even funnier is that the Cavs came out to the Monstars music, and just like the Monstars... they lost. lol

Who's got the Celtics getting a 2nd win?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 23, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
I'm hoping the Cavs just came out cocky and don't let this become a series.

Is anyone out there saying the West is weak or that the Warriors were lucky?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2017, 01:57:12 PM
If nothing else, the Warriors were lucky Kawhi Leonard got injured (or "lucky" that Zsa Zsa Patchooleeuh is such a lumbering, oafy guy). They were getting destroyed in Game 1. The rest of the series was more of a formality.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2017, 10:52:00 PM
Dubs certainly got lucky Kawhi went down after tweaking his ankle twice in about a minute. But the reason why he was still in the game after being up 20+, Warriors are an excellent come back team,.
And Curry was just warming up with 11pts shooting 4/4 just before that incident. It's possible the Dubs may have had a comeback run making it a close game.

But now the world may never know.... :: crunch::[/eats tootsie pop]
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2017, 11:00:17 PM
It's official, the thread title has come true like we all knew it would.

Warriors v Cavs round 3
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2017, 11:12:12 PM
Peas and rice, Boston. Did you even try?
Well, this is still accurate.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: nickmitch on May 26, 2017, 10:40:58 AM
Finally, the best part of the NBA season is here.

My secret wish is for a Cavs sweep, just for the lolz.  Not that it would happen, but could you imagine the reactions?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2017, 05:19:09 PM
Finally, the best part of the NBA season is here.

My secret wish is for a Cavs sweep, just for the lolz.  Not that it would happen, but could you imagine the reactions?

Yeah, I'm hoping the Cavs get swept too!! High Five!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on May 26, 2017, 09:25:19 PM
For maximum hilarity, I want Cleveland to sweep games 4-7.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2017, 11:03:06 PM
I hate to break it to y'all, but the Slim Reaper is comin' to clean up

(http://i.imgur.com/XU86RWX.gif)

but not till after a Steph Curry Supernova comes and wrecks shop first

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TK8ZYawK--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/1302123273305313350.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2017, 11:04:49 AM
Again, I'm not even a Warriors fan, but since neither the Lakers nor the Sixers are likely going anywhere this year, all this 3-1 taunting kind of makes me want to see the Warriors steamroll through the playoffs and sweep the Cavaliers in the finals. I don't even want it to be close. I want a 16-0 playoff run and the NBA losing millions in advertising for that nonsense last season.
Let's fucking do this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2017, 04:48:12 PM
Again, I'm not even a Warriors fan, but since neither the Lakers nor the Sixers are likely going anywhere this year, all this 3-1 taunting kind of makes me want to see the Warriors steamroll through the playoffs and sweep the Cavaliers in the finals. I don't even want it to be close. I want a 16-0 playoff run and the NBA losing millions in advertising for that nonsense last season.
Let's fucking do this.

My Man!!!

The bullshit of last years finals pulled by the league and the officials, and the competitive disrespect shown by Lebron that seem to be taken to a personal level on and off the court...
followed by comments by Draymond at the beginning of the season
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLK2VhCitw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlLK2VhCitw)

I am SOOO READY for this rematch. best of 3 everyone healthy this time around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 01, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
I had a post typed up and my browser ate so I'm just gonna post this freaking act of God.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2017, 04:33:02 AM
I had a post typed up and my browser ate so I'm just gonna post this freaking act of God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgZA0BdL4mc

now with music
https://streamable.com/ecr30

"Be Humble.... bitch, sit down."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2017, 09:05:43 AM
So far so good, but I'm not celebrating yet. Thompson and Green were not great so I want to see better from them. Yet the Warriors still blew out the Cavaliers. With Curry healthy and the addition of Durant, it may be too difficult for the NBA to even attempt to pull that bullshit from last year.

See, I don't think the NBA actually cares who ultimately wins the championship. This is a star driven league, and these two teams have the most collective stars between them. The NBA has the ratings already. It can market the trilogy, the rivalry etc. The NBA wants more games for more advertising. It can try leaning calls in the Cavs' favor to attempt to give them a better chance of pushing the series to more games. The Cavs still have to deliver. They have to put themselves in a position to actually win some games which may be really hard this year. Golden State has too much talent while Cleveland got older and slower. The Warrriors may be too good to overcome anything but an outright fix.

I want the Warriors to win this year, and I can probably tolerate another year (maybe two) of sheer domination before it gets boring. I wasn't a Lakers fan until they lost in 2008 to the Celtics. I hated when the Lakers rattling off championships in the early 2000s. Outside of these Finals, I want competitive basketball. I still want my teams to win, but I like close games. Blowouts are just not that fun to watch... except this year. Last night was great. Watching Durant blow by James was like eating my favorite dessert.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 02, 2017, 03:00:46 PM
Klay and Draymond were bad offensively but more than made up for it with some stellar defense. Cavs were 1 for 12 from the field when Klay was the primary defender on a play, and he contested 10 of those 12 shots.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
Just imagine what the game looks like when Klay's shots start falling. Durant gonna end up setting a record for dunks in qtr/half/game if they keep parting the red sea to prevent the Splash Bros. from shooting 3's.

Shipping lanes were left side open. Durant couldn't believe they were giving him the red carpet treatment to the rim. He ain't never had it so easy.
No wonder he already agreed to take less next season to keep the core of the team together.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2017, 08:19:15 PM
Some video's so you can appreciate what I'm watching in these Warrior games.
-It's not all Offensive, they are great on Defense too.

first Draymond "Defensive genius" and potential DPOY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyt1EFkB7gs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyt1EFkB7gs)

and then last nights game, the beauty of playing defense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I16sEoVU2Z0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I16sEoVU2Z0&feature=youtu.be)
- see how Klay sacrificed his 3 to double down on D
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 02, 2017, 09:37:45 PM
I am very sad that Chris Bosh's career has officially ended but glad in a way he won't have any on-court issues that could affect his health down the road. I know it must suck wanting to play and feeling like you could still play at a high level but I hope he puts that energy into the next phase of his life.

(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/chris-bosh-photobomb.png)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1199629/boshchamp_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2017, 08:35:16 PM
Come on, Derek Fisher.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 07, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
I....I can't believe those last two minutes. I was sure the Dubs threw that game in the toilet. Kevin Durant is unreal.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 08, 2017, 12:28:02 AM
I don't care if he become old and decrepit, I want Iggy to finish his career with the Warriors. Pay him all of the money. He had 2 incredible play down the stretch:

- He had the awareness to switch with Curry when it looked like the LeBron wanted to set up another mismatch. Instead of getting switched with Curry LeBron had to try and drive on Draymond. He still kicked it to Korver, who was wide open because Curry was dumb enough to fall for Love's screen. But that's a better option than James vs Curry one on one, and having multiple shooters open because everyone is collapsing on James.
- He got a clutch strip on James, and hopefully revenge for the two times he's failed to convert easy layups in clutch situations.

https://twitter.com/ryenarussillo/status/872668075392421888
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2017, 02:17:47 AM
Lebron during the course of these finals...

(http://i.imgur.com/I9wdFh7.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/i5rdGdC.jpg)

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
I made this at work today in paint as I had nothing better to do but kill time until the game starts...

(http://i.imgur.com/t4LrhzK.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 09, 2017, 11:31:25 PM
Not looking good for a sweep right now...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2017, 12:26:15 AM
You had one job, Golden State.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 10, 2017, 12:37:24 AM
I'm pissed. They had so many stupid turnovers. The defense was terrible. They let their emotions get the best of them and got in too many fights.


That said, Cleveland went 24/45 from 3. That's not happening again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2017, 03:08:12 AM
..... and no one calls out the Ref's?

that first quarter officiating was some of the worst, most blatant, biased, bullshit I think I've ever seen. Actually the whole game was just terrible when it comes to officiating.

but the ref assist given to the Cav's specifically in the 1st quarter to get all the Warrior starters in foul trouble in the first 4 minutes of the game was something truly special to witness.

it was terrible both ways for most of the rest of the game, but it was that 1st quarter that set the tone and created a lead that was just too much to overcome.

between the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters I think the Cavs only won each of those by about 1-2 pts each. It was that 16 point lead in the 1st quarter that was never made up.

The fact that defensively the Cavs were allowed to get away with almost everything off the ball that they wanted. Poor Curry was being abused. Durant practically dragged Rj over to the ref to get a holding call, but the ref refused to call it. and once after Klay got fouled, the game stopped on it's own and everyone stared at the ref for like a split second before he blew the whistle and called a foul on JR Smith, who almost put his hand up to volunteer the foul before it was called.

I thought Game 6 of last year was bad, but this was soooo much worse.
I hear there was a Laker game about 15-20 years ago and a Mavs game too that was somewhere near as bad if not even worse, so I can't imagine even attempting to watch that garbage.

Cavs shot near lights out, and Kyrie was balling out of his mind, but that's not unexpected when the other team can't even defend you because the refs will foul them out, yet you are not held to the same standard on the other end of the court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2017, 10:29:04 AM
As a neutral, I'm just glad the possibility of an Xzibit situation is still technically available.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 10, 2017, 07:41:00 PM
So, there's an extra $22 million to be made in California if they end up playing 2 more home games...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2017, 09:40:20 PM
made by who though?

The Warriors? or the NBA? or both?
Because the Warriors would be stupid to be complicit in anything that extends this past 5 games, just for some extra money in the owners pocket.
The NBA and TV contracts... I can understand why they would have their refs go in an "fix" the game, but next time they could be a little less "in your face" about it next time around.
I've seen some badly officiated games, but yesterdays game was so bad, it only invites conspiracy theories about how "fixed" it was.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Adrock on June 12, 2017, 11:49:19 PM
Warriors win!
(https://i.imgur.com/MLr5TAx.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors and Cavs!
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2017, 01:11:17 AM
Kevin Durant, Finals MVP and World Champion. Mike Brown, 2 time champion, this time at the helm for most of the games. He helped keep the team afloat. Even sweeter the fact that the Cavs were writing his checks. Congrat to JaVale, Zaza, David West and Matt Barnes for finally getting rings. Curry played out of his mind even as he was getting trapped constantly. All world defense by Klay and Draymon. Iggy with 20 clutch points off the bench. Guys like Pat McCaw and Ian Clark who stepped up to the plate and filled the void left by guys like Speights and Barbosa.

This team is just incredible man. This season was incredible. People might say this team might bring a decline in basketball, but in a personal note, as a fan, I think I'm allowed to have a selfish moment. I'll cherish this dynasty for as long as it last after all the years of losing and futility.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2017, 02:51:19 AM
McCaw scored 4pts on Lebron in the 4th.

That's when Lebron truly knew he had lost.

but now i have a favor to ask of anyone with PS skillz.

I'm going to the parade on Thursday (:coughcough: feeling too sick to make it into work that day....) and want to print out a custom sign.

can someone help me edit this pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/QUMyPti.png)

to include a cartoon NBA Championship trophy over the gold Warriors symbol on the right, but behind the letters, but with the Warriors symbol still in from of the basketball of the trophy.
also edit in an MVP trophy into Durant's hand.

then in the gold box on the bottom left
at the top above the logo: The Finals
and the bottom below the logo: 2017 NBA Champions

oh, and toast the number 11 into the toast for Toaster Thompson.

yeah, that should do it!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 13, 2017, 10:24:03 AM
Man, the Cavs being within 10 for almost the whole 4th quarter was excruciating.  I'm happy for KD, but let this be a lesson to all of us: Based god's curse is real and you should never cross him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2017, 11:01:54 PM
and he already lifted Harden's curse....

But the Kardashian Kurse may still be in effect.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2017, 09:48:47 AM
Unfortunately, he lifted Harden's curse after the MVP voting, which should cement Westbrook as MVP.

But wasn't Reggie Bush dating Kim Kardashian when the Saints won the Super Bowl?  I could've sworn that was happening.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 23, 2017, 11:26:37 AM
Holy crap. The T'Wolves flat-out stole Jimmy Butler from the Bulls.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 23, 2017, 08:25:55 PM
That trade wouldn't have been so, so terrible for the Bulls if they didn't give up their own pick. Why did the the Bulls need to sweeten the deal? They're giving up a top ten player to a man with the biggest basketball hard-on for Jimmy Butler. Chicago could and should have raked Tom Thibedeau over the coals before sending Butler to Minnesota.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2017, 11:54:01 AM
And then the Bulls sold their 2nd round pick to the Warriors who picked up the next "Draymond Green" in Jordan Bell for some potential major rim protection, rebounding, and in the paint scoring.

Looney better get a new bench pad, as I feel like if he gets up off the bench, it will be to play with some other team. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 24, 2017, 02:06:14 PM
Looney is on a rookie contract and is a warm body. He's not going anywhere.

Warriors pulled this same move last year and landed Pat McCaw who played pivotal minutes in the game 5 clincher. If they can get that from Bell they'll be in good hands. I think eschewing the youth movement has really cost Cleveland in this rat race. They're talking about Paul George and even Dwayne Wade but meanwhile have no draft picks or show any signs of looking for raw rookie talent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on June 25, 2017, 04:44:59 AM
From all reports, sounds like the Jazz managed to quietly steal the draft with 2 solid first rounders that only cost a late 1st round pick & some bench warmers. Nice.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
I can't believe this ****....

https://streamable.com/vklkd (https://streamable.com/vklkd)

BBB on WWE

https://twitter.com/yeezvz/status/879506352254726145 (https://twitter.com/yeezvz/status/879506352254726145)
"Beat that nigga ass!!!" live on WWE tonight.

they have truly made it. Big Ballers Indeed.
(http://i.imgur.com/8H9kuE2.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2017, 11:08:34 AM
I'd be lying if I said I didn't want the Lakers to draft Lonzo Ball partially because his father is such a putz (I was pulling for Josh Jackson since he has a more well-rounded game, namely better defense). I didn't watch Raw, but I saw a screenshot of LaMelo wearing a "Stay In Yo Lane" shirt. That's so disappointing because of the implication that his kids think that's acceptable too. I really wish the media would stop giving this guy a platform. If you're unfamiliar with the origins of that shirt, LaVar told ESPN's Kristine Lahey to "stay in [her] lane" which should have been the last straw. Granted, Lahey overstepped a journalistic line by questioning LaVar's parenting. LaVar's response was like one step away from "Get back in the kitchen," and we really need to stop acting like that's okay.

LaVar trying to make money off of being an asshole is unsurprising though it still does kind of bother me. I know Lonzo isn't his dad, but his dad makes rooting for him more difficult.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2017, 03:53:11 PM
I remember that clip from The Herd.  She was trying to be a journalist and ask him questions about why BBB doesn't have a women's line, which is fair.  He kept blowing her off, not wanting to talk to her because of her parenting comments (also fair) before he began to over-react.

I sincerely hope there's a "There's only two people better than me and I'm both of 'em" shirt next.  The Raw appearance was hysterical.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2017, 05:40:17 PM
Kristine Leahy basically asked the same question Colin Cowherd did (how many shoes has Big Baller Brand sold). LaVar was still salty because of Leahy's previous comments from like a month and a half prior. It's certainly Leahy's right to say Lonzo and his brothers are scared of their father (among other things), but I don't know how fair that is from a journalistic standpoint. What evidence did she have for more or less accusing LaVar of child abuse? I can see why LaVar would take offense to what Leahy said. At the same time, it doesn't justify his response and how he treated her.


I don't really know much about Kristine Leahy so this is less about her. LaVar Ball's schtick is already old. I can roll my eyes to comments like "[Lonzo is] better than Steph Curry" (he isn't) or "Lonzo Ball is going to take the Lakers to the playoffs in his first year" (he won't even with Paul George). But when he gets on national television and talks down to someone (regardless of gender) like he did, I just can't deal with it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on June 27, 2017, 08:06:42 PM
Kevin Durant was in town for Hoopfest this last weekend. I think he has a new shoe coming out.

(http://i.imgur.com/A7HxDNm.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/a/e8sUb)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2017, 02:00:48 AM
Paul George got traded to the Thunder for Victor Oladipo and Domantis Sabonis. The silver lining is that isn't the worst trade this summer (certainly no Jimmy Butler to the Timberwolves). Oladipo can play though he's overpaid. Sources had the Celtics offering three first round picks (not 2017 Nets pick or 2018 Lakers/2019 Kings pick via pre-draft Philly trade), Jae Crowder and another starter. That's a hell of a better offer than what they got. Pacers wanted both picks Celtics weren't offering plus two starters for a great player who almost certainly would be a one-year rental. Talk about overplaying your hand. Whomp whomp.

The Thunder won big though. They get to try to sell Russell Westbrook on resigning by offering him the super-max and the chance to play with another superstar that he sorely needed after Durant bolted. It may not work, leaving the Thunder with another rebuild if both Westbrook and George leave (at least the latter will), but hey, rebuilding will be a hell of a lot easier without Oladipo on the books. The best way to rebuild is to lose with low salary guys and use caps space to take on **** contracts for draft picks or young albeit unproven talent, just continue acquiring assets until you either draft your superstar or flip a bunch of picks/players for an up and coming one.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2017, 09:51:13 AM
PG is totally leaving for LA, so it will be fun to see how much he's alienated by Westbrook.


Warriors decline the team option on James Michael McAdoo, understandable given who they drafted this year. Livingston got paid and I could not be more happier for him. Ditto for Curry.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2017, 11:25:49 AM
Worst case scenario for the Thunder is if George convinces Westbrook to come back to Southern California with him. I mean, if you're going to get dominated by the Warriors for the next five years, might as well do so in Los Angeles.

It would be nice to see the Lakers not be total trash anymore, but even a combo of George and Westbrook won't get it done. Curry's new contract complicates the Warriors' ability to make significant roster changes. At the same time, Durant committing to take a pay cut (for what a top three player should be paid anyway) to give the team flexibility allows the Warriors to remain the favorites for the foreseeable future.

The East just got hella weak too. The Cavs got worked, a team no East team could touch, then Butler and George got traded to the West. Sure, one can argue that the West got tougher, but really, those trades just rebalanced the middle. The Timberwolves aren't touching Warriors. The Thunder went from a first round exit to maybe a second round exit. The Rockets with Chris Paul still aren't better than the Spurs who aren't better than the Warriors. It's a tough time for fans who care about competitive basketball. One can only hope the Warriors get bored and/or complacent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2017, 11:38:26 AM
The West dominance is a smoke screen. Yes they have pretty much 8 of the 10 best teams in the league but we're in the Warriors/Cavs era and everyone else is fighting for scraps. Utah was the 5th best team in the West last year and they have so many questions it's easy for them to tumble back to the cellar. Spurs are in flux and it looks more and more like they struck out on Aldridge. Minny needs to make the playoffs before we can even start including them in the discussion. Same with New Orleans. Portland could still be frisky, ditto Denver. Clippers aren't looking that bad if all they lose is CP3. But there's just a whole lot of teams stuck in the middle.


As for the Warriors it's interesting to look at the possible ring-chasers available. Vince Carter, Arron Afflalo, Nene. Maybe David West sticks around for another year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on July 01, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
So what would it take to make the East competitive again? People deciding they don't want to play in, I dunno, Curry's conference like happened in the 90s with Jordan? Collective brain transplants for every Eastern GM in the US?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2017, 10:45:43 PM
The PG Trade is very suspect.
Pacers owner got way better offers and decided that he didn't want PG to stay in the East, so he flipped him to OKC for almost nothing... not even a draft pick (not sure if OKC had one... but Boston had already previously offered much more)
They turned down a great offer at the trade deadline, which would have seen PG vs the Lebron in the ECF instead of the 1st round. Then Boston offered an unspecific commitment to trade for PG after they make a run at Gordon Hayward, and Pacers panicked, figured Ainge was bullshitting w/ his horde of assets and took the first Western deal that came his way.

They even had a 3 way deal that would have placed PG on the Cavs, but like I stated above, Indiana really didn't want PG to stay in the East. so OKC's table scrap offer it is...

and Paul George is totally gonna recruit WB to go to LA with him next year.
but seeing how stacked the West is, I really doubt Lebron follows suit too, most likely to just be content being the King of the East laid out in a lawn chair on the sideline through most of the regular season.

and the Warriors.
Curry has now signed the NBA's 1st $200M contract. just records everywhere for this boy.
Livingston took a discount @ $24M/3yrs to stay on the Warriors
West signed for Vet Minimum and plans to retire after this year
Iggy is expected to resign, but had to feel out what his value is so the Warriors could match it (fingers crossed... looking like a 3yr/$45M contract is what he's trying to get)
and Durant will sign discount as soon as Iggy signs... or take his full pay if he don't(?)

So our roster is looking like
Curry / Klay / Durant / Dray / and maybe Iggy
Livingston / West / McCaw / Jones / Looney / Bell

no word yet on Zaza, Clark, McGee or Barnes

Macadoo didn't have his team option picked up, but I'm sure he'll get paid somewhere. 2X NBA champ and all.

and with everyone headed West... I'm really wondering what the All-star game looks like next year.
There's no way the Warriors get 4 on the squad again. But role players will be pulling up on the 2nd unit for the East. They might have to get rid of East vs West and just do top 20 voting and pick team captains who pick their squad the day before the game. LOL that would be interesting.

Here is the 2017 All-Star roster:
http://www.nba.com/teams/allstar/2017
The East has already lost 2 in PG  & Butler
Millsap is shopping to get on T-Wolves
Lowry hasn't landed anywhere yet
Not sure what's up with Carmelo
and Cavs were trying to trade Love to Denver in 3-way to get PG from Ind.
Assuming some of those don't stay East... who takes their place on the East squad?
and which of them make the squad in the West ahead of who is already on the likely to be back list?

Honestly I think they should do a Top 16 Playoffs (conference-less / evens vs odds) and do the Team Captain Top 20 All-Star Game. could be more interesting especially considering how stacked the West is right now vs how weak the East looks in comparison
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2017, 11:05:25 PM
What's suspect about the trade? Pacers didn't want to trade George to any team in the East and didn't want to trade him to the Lakers, his prefer destination. It's petty considering all George did for the organization especially telling them before the draft that he didn't intend to re-sign. At the same time, the Lakers, knowing they had leverage, weren't going to give up anything of value without also dumping Mozgov or Deng, two of the worst contracts in the league right now.

Hindsight is 20/20, the Pacers should have taken the Celtics deal at the trade deadline which included this year's Nets pick. Considering George's blatant desire to play in Los Angeles next year, I would have taken the Celtics offer: three draft picks and two starters who they could have traded to go into full tank mode. Take the chance of George staying in Boston for the much better assets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2017, 11:15:20 PM
That's exactly what was suspect about the trade. The fact that the Pacers turned down multiple better offers at the trade deadline, and then again before the draft, and then decided to dump him for basically nothing moments before free agency hit!? especially when you still had a better offer on the table from the Celtics who told you they just need to take care of something else first before giving you valuable usable assets from the Boston vault.
What was the rush? PG wasn't going anywhere.... OKC had no leverage to do anything with any free agents... and Boston just needed a few more days before they got back to them with a formal offer of assets/picks/etc.

Were they really that damn petty about him not staying in the East, that they wouldn't trade him for something actually useful to the team? They even turned down Kevin Love from the Cavs in the 3 way trade w/ the Nuggets.

oh, and that Nene deal that fell through, that was kinda fucked. Over 38 rule... (not really sure what that is, but apparently it was violated by the deal)?
back on the market for him. Or maybe the Rockets get something else worked out
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2017, 08:59:17 AM
How many times is Danny Ainge going to insist that "no, we actually had a better deal in place" before people start calling him out on his bullshit? Yes, Forman/Paxson and Pritchard are idiots who have no business running a franchise with the way they've bungled their respective deals but the more this happens the more I'm willing to believe that Ainge is being needlessly stingy with the picks he's offering.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on July 02, 2017, 10:07:27 AM
oh, and that Nene deal that fell through, that was kinda fucked. Over 38 rule... (not really sure what that is, but apparently it was violated by the deal)?
back on the market for him. Or maybe the Rockets get something else worked out

It used to be the over-36 rule, apparently. It's designed to stop high dollar frontloaded contracts that there's no intention of completing from either side. (Think a 17 year deal worth $102m that pays <$1m in the last six years of the deal: this was initially agreed to in the NHL before the league stepped in (http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2010/07/here_are_the_official_numbers.html).)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2017, 10:22:38 AM
This blog comment(!!!) actually explains what happened with Nene. Houston tried to sign him with a non-Bird rights exception, but because that particular deal would trigger the over-38 rule it means it's not really possible under the terms Houston originally agreed to.

http://deadspin.com/1796576778
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2017, 10:48:17 AM
What was the rush?
Every day you have a guy who admittedly doesn't want to play for your team you're losing leverage, damaging locker room morale, and frustrating the fan base. Larry Bird gambled and lost. Kevin Pritchard was on clock. Paul George was losing value by the hour. Everyone and their mother knows he's going to the Lakers unless he falls in the perfect situation so most teams weren't offering great deals. Pritchard was balancing his own pettiness with his need to improve the team.
Quote
Were they really that damn petty about him not staying in the East, that they wouldn't trade him for something actually useful to the team?
Well, yeah. Pritchard called George telling the Pacers he had no intention of returning a "gut-punch" three times in the same interview. He should have said thank you because George didn't have to say ****. In any case, this happens all the time in sports. That's why I don't think there's anything suspicious going on. It isn't against NBA rules to be an asshole to a player halfway out the door even if he meant a lot to the franchise and city for the past seven years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
and with everyone headed West... I'm really wondering what the All-star game looks like next year.
There's no way the Warriors get 4 on the squad again. But role players will be pulling up on the 2nd unit for the East. They might have to get rid of East vs West and just do top 20 voting and pick team captains who pick their squad the day before the game. LOL that would be interesting.

Here is the 2017 All-Star roster:
http://www.nba.com/teams/allstar/2017 (http://www.nba.com/teams/allstar/2017)
The East has already lost 2 in PG  & Butler
Millsap is shopping to get on T-Wolves
Lowry hasn't landed anywhere yet
Not sure what's up with Carmelo
and Cavs were trying to trade Love to Denver in 3-way to get PG from Ind.
Assuming some of those don't stay East... who takes their place on the East squad?
and which of them make the squad in the West ahead of who is already on the likely to be back list?

Honestly I think they should do a Top 16 Playoffs (conference-less / evens vs odds) and do the Team Captain Top 20 All-Star Game. could be more interesting especially considering how stacked the West is right now vs how weak the East looks in comparison

So the All-Star East team also lost Millsap to the West (Denver Nuggets)
Lowry decided to stay East
Carmelo still looking to move... if he can't get to Lebron, he's trying to join CP3 and Harden in Houston
and no idea if the Cavs are still trying to deal for Love
But Hayward might go East, so that's something.

and I still think Indiana could have waited, and/or reached out to Boston for a definitive offer to wait for, instead of hastily taking the deal they did, when it was obvious people were willing to give more than what they ultimately took in exchange.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2017, 07:37:19 PM
so just incase you were wondering... how much does it cost to keep a Super Team in the current NBA?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDyRmstUAAAHHCE?format=jpg)

Them boys better go 82-0 +16-0 for the next 3 seasons.
that's a hell of a tax bill coming to The Bay.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on July 03, 2017, 08:23:06 PM
The owner's a Silicon Valley techbro with more money than Nintendo. If he wants rings, he'll pay up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 07, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
Look at this ridiculous roster:

Starting 5: Curry/Klay/Durant/Green/Zaza(just re-signed!)
Bench Unit: Livingston/Swaggy/Iggy/Casspi/West
Depth: McCaw/Bell/Looney.

Warriors actually managed to improve over what they had with Clark/McAdoo.


EDIT: Also the Cavs become the latest team in the league trying to convince themselves that Jeff Green is actually a good basketball player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on July 07, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
I know it's just a name's the same situation, but I saw "Cavs sign Jeff Green" and thought "Wait, why did they sign a former writer/podcaster in his 50s?"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 08, 2017, 12:56:15 AM
So....I don't really follow college basketball that much. Good god Lonzo Ball's shooting motion is atrocious. Was it really just her asshole father that got him to this level?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 08, 2017, 02:29:07 AM
He makes shots though.... regardless of the motion, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I have to admit I haven't seen too much of the man myself, but if the scouts put him that high... there has to be something to his game that we all just haven't witnessed yet.

Look at this ridiculous roster:

Starting 5: Curry/Klay/Durant/Green/Zaza(just re-signed!)
Bench Unit: Livingston/Swaggy/Iggy/Casspi/West
Depth: McCaw/Bell/Looney.

Warriors actually managed to improve over what they had with Clark/McAdoo.

and we still got room for what? 2 more? Did McGee get paid in Sac? I thought I heard he signed w/ the Kings. and what happened to Clark and MacAdoo? did they get resigned anywhere?
Also I assume Zaza took a vet minimum again?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 08, 2017, 10:44:38 AM
It might be a Shawn Marion situation where it's better to just let him be instead of trying to fix it, lest you break him down completely. But still, he went 2-15 in his summer league debut and they were giving him open looks.

and we still got room for what? 2 more? Did McGee get paid in Sac? I thought I heard he signed w/ the Kings. and what happened to Clark and MacAdoo? did they get resigned anywhere?
Also I assume Zaza took a vet minimum again?

Zaza signed 1 year/3.5 million. Also I don't know how you can add more players. I have a hard time seeing how minutes get distributed with this roster. You might want to add another pure center down the line but early on in the season I kind of want to see how Looney improves. If he doesn't then you go looking for a center.

Also, Clark lost minutes to McCaw as the playoffs wore on. I think he might of hit his ceiling as an NBA player.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 08, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
Clark had an expiring contract, and McCaw is signed for atleast 3 more years, so it makes sense to develop McCaw over Clark, especially when they were at worst, interchangeable as players w/ McCaw probably being the better and I think longer defender.

And yeah, Lonzo's shot is ugly AF, but he is usually a decent shooter w/ Steph Curry range, so if it works for him for this long, you might ruin his whole shooting game by trying to fix it now.

and Looney is turrible. If he actually develops some post game, maybe bulks a bit... I don't know, maybe he can be all right, but I think Bell & Jones will be getting playtime over him. I haven't watched any Summer League, but I'm hoping Bell and Jones bring some McGee like excitement factor when it comes to the Dubs "In The Paint" game. Bell looked like he had that kind of length, and I'm not really sure what to expect out of Jones, but both of them have got to be better a 4 or 5 than Looney.

Oh, but Barnes, McAdoo and Clark are all out?
have any of them resigned anywhere else yet?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on July 08, 2017, 04:33:32 PM
LOL I forgot Jones was still with the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 12, 2017, 01:46:08 AM
Lakers landed Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, who was the best available free agent left on the market and only because Danny Ainge was forced to trade Avery Bradley. Then, the Pistons were like, "We have 37 guards on the team now" and renounced KCP's rights.

Not a bad off-season for the Lakers. I didn't love (but also didn't hate) trading D'Angelo Russell just to dump Timofey Mozgov's contract. I get it. There was no way to get Mozgov or Luol Deng off the team without sending out something of value. Still, I felt Magic Johnson and Rob Lowe Pelinka sold low on Russell though to their credit, they apparently tried dangling an unprotected first round draft pick (presumably 2020) to teams with cap space to take Mozgov or Deng so they didn't just say, "**** D'ANGELO," before literally kicking him out of Staples Center. The problem with that draft pick is it aims to be a late first round selection if Magic's hilariously very not secret plan of signing two superstars in 2018 comes to pass. If the Lakers end up being good by then, that draft pick just isn't as valuable as you'd want it to be to take on a shitty contract.

Anyway, the Lakers draft picks have looked good in Summer League. The Caldwell-Pope signing bumped up the grade from B to B+. I was worried about the Lakers' interest in Rajon Rondo before the KCP signing. Bringing in Rondo makes more sense now if he's willing to take the room exception (it's like $4.3 million so perhaps not). Magic and Rob didn't panic and give up the farm for Paul George. The Russell-Mozgov trade technically is an upgrade. Today, Brook Lopez is better than D'Angelo Russell (verdict is out on Russell in the future though I was a believer in his potential). Also, a Russell-Ball backcourt would have been a colossal LOL-fail on defense. I'm going to miss Nick Young. I was like one of six Lakers fans who still wanted him on the team after he played like total ass in 2015-2016. I'm glad he's getting his auto-win championship ring next season.

I predict 35 wins, give or take a few. The Lakers won 26 games last season, and they managed to improve both shooting and defense this summer. To clarify, while shooting and defense are better, they still aren't good on this team. If nothing else, ball movement will improve as both Young and Lou Williams are no longer on the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 14, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Lonzo Ball got another triple double. Watch out league. The Lakers are going 74-8 this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on July 14, 2017, 10:07:29 AM
Is it the shoes? (https://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2017/7/14/15969896/lonzo-ball-summer-league-performances-by-the-shoes-hes-worn-lakers)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on July 21, 2017, 04:42:08 PM
Kyrie Irving just requested a trade directly to Dan Gilbert. He apparently no longer wants to play alongside Lebron James because he wants to be the focal point of the team.

Here's the Cavs problem (specifically for this situation): Irving is under contract for three more years so instinctually, given his desire not to play second fiddle to James, the Cavs should trade James except James has a no-trade clause and is now more likely to leave next year regardless of whether Gilbert panics and trades Irving. Yikes.

Playing arm-chair General Manager (and since the Cavaliers don't currently have a General Manager), I would trade Lebron James to literally anywhere he would accept a trade ("I'm taking my talents to Oakland!"). Why? The best move is to appease Irving without trading him which means moving James at all costs. They can't play out the year like this. Even if James leaves next year, Irving would complain his way out of Cleveland anyway for being forced to play with James (curb stomping all leverage) then they'd lose two star players for nothing and/or scraps. By dealing James, the Cavs have three years to at least try to convince Irving to stay and aren't rushed into a bad deal if they're forced to trade him anyway.

The Cavs could also try blowing it up entirely. Just accruing assets for Irving and Love then letting James walk next year. They won't get fair value for a guy demanding a trade.

I hope everyone looks forward to Warriors vs Celtics next June.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 22, 2017, 12:27:05 PM
Dude, NBA is played in the West next year.

WCF is the NBA finals, and outside of some breakout performances and record breaking seasons, any team coming out of the East is just the bonus series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 28, 2017, 02:36:25 AM
Reddit's Top 82 Plays from last season
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6pwaxf/with_82_days_to_go_until_next_season_tips_off/?st=j5mwtn6s&sh=70486db9
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 22, 2017, 10:48:03 PM
So it looks like Kyrie got traded from the Cavs to the Celtics.

traded for IT, Crowder, Zizic and the Nets '18 Pick unprotected.


Who do you think made out the best in this trade?
The Warriors?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on August 22, 2017, 11:24:35 PM
Who do you think made out the best in this trade?
The Warriors?
Ehh, Golden State was going to steamroll everyone this year regardless.

Honestly, Cleveland. They're still better than Boston, have Crowder on one of the best contracts in the league until 2020, get a new start with what will be an excellent draft pick once Lebron bolts again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 23, 2017, 02:02:32 AM
Cleveland was the real answer, GS was the obvious answer though.

Cavs vs Celtics is a season opener BTW.
gonna be an interesting one to watch.

I wonder it there will be Ex Team tensions. I know IT gonna try an prove himself. He's got to be a little hot under the collar at this trade.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 23, 2017, 03:50:19 AM
I'm not a basketball fan at all, but as someone who can't help but hear about the Cavs while following the Cleveland sports media as a Browns and Indians fan it seems like a pretty damn good haul considering their lack of leverage due to Irving publicly demanding to be traded.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 23, 2017, 04:48:19 PM
They actually got a great deal, in comparison to what was traded for Jimmy Butler and especially for Paul George.
That is of course if IT's hip isn't isn't fucked from the injury still.
And assuming that the Nets are terrible again this year, since they got that unprotected pick too.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on August 23, 2017, 07:21:01 PM
When one of your superstars demands a trade and you get another superstar in the exchange, you win.  I'm shocked the Cavaliers were able to get that much.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2017, 08:13:06 PM
I'm surprised Cleveland got that much from Danny Ainge of all people, the grandmaster of decisively winning trades. Time will tell if this trade is as bad for Boston as it looks on paper. Really, it isn't terrible. Give the edge to the Cavs even though the Celtics didn't get swindled. They got the best player out of deal even if the team got worse. Personally, the only bad move here was including Jae Crowder because he vastly outplays his contract. I think Ainge could have wore down Koby Altman regarding Crowder.

Otherwise, I don't think Boston planned on re-signing Isaiah Thomas for the max contract he would have demanded given his hip injury and bone abnormality that caused said injury that is likely chronic. This trade puts the Celtics on a much better timeline with a younger, better player on a longer contract. They have Irving for two years or longer if he either opts in to that third year or re-signs.

And this is a win for Cleveland not just because of the assets it received. The Cavaliers are in a great position. They'll still be competitive this year, likely favorites to make it back to the Finals to lose to Golden State since Boston also got worse after this trade. Then, Cleveland can blow it up next summer while holding great assets. The Cavs have their own pick and Brooklyn's pick in 2018, and top 10 protections in 2019 and 2020 which they'll keep if they go into tank mode. They have assets to move to get more picks and okay to decent young players. Letting Thomas walk after Lebron walks gives them cap room to absorb bad contracts to accrue even more assets. Still, having assets and using them effectively are different things.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on August 26, 2017, 12:36:18 AM
So apparently, the Cavs weren't satisfied with Thomas' physical and are mulling the next step. They may push for an additional pick. Jeez, guys, you already won that trade and no one was even close to offering a comparative package.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2017, 03:13:42 AM
Warriors finally with a deciding victory!!

I predicted the winner of every game today except for the Kings losing to the Suns... didn't see that happening.

But did ya'll see the rookie Jordan Bell? Alley-ooping to himself on a fast break, and then getting fouled in the process for an and1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7alJLoBPYk

Between him and McGee being paired up with Dray and Curry, could be a lot of fun once the Dubs start firing on all cylinders. They showed a few glimpses of greatness tonight, but they still got some work to do, mostly on defense, but also in the turnover department.

and in other team news....
Harden almost got in a fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGKP0EvVVBg

Mario Chalmers might be getting suspended over this one.... put his hands on the ref.

76ers won. - Simmons w/ his first triple double and Embiid also had a good game on a back2back.

Gabrielle Union revealed that Dwayne Wade like to get his salad tossed on the Sway in the Morning show this morning, subsequently, Wade has had his butt benched to the reserve unit. (totally unrelated to the salad incident)

Eric Bledsoe had tweeted that he "didn't want to be here" around the same time that his coach got fired after the Suns lost their 3rd game of the season, and 2nd game last by more than 40pts on Sunday.
They had a team meeting this morning, where they decided he was now a DNP.
Bledsoe immediately hopped on twitter to say that he wasn't referring to his team in his previous tweet, but about the hair salon he was supposedly at.
The Team management didn't believe him. Bledsoe is now up for trade and considered DNP for the Suns till that trade happens.

Oh, also Kyrie got fined $25k for telling a fan to "suck my dick"
Curry got ejected and fined (but not suspended) for throwing his mouth piece in the general direction of the Ref.
Iguodala also got fined, but not ejected
and Durant also got ejected, but not fined... all at the end of Sunday nights game in a Warriors loss.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on October 24, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
This season is off to a chaotic start!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2017, 06:03:29 PM
I forgot to mention that Giannis (who's dad just passed away weeks before the season started) had apparently been in beast mode and is early favorite for MVP if he keeps up like this. After 4 games, he's averaging 36.8pts / 10.8reb / 5.3asst. - the Bucks are 3-1 right now.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2017, 10:24:49 AM
You also forgot to mention that Steph Curry has a foot fetish.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Was that what Aiesha had said in her interview!?

LOL.
Far less personal/embarrassing than what Gabrielle shared. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2017, 08:43:21 PM
First, Ayesha Curry says that Steph has a foot fetish.

Then, Gabrielle Union says that Dwayne Wade likes his booty hole licked.

Next, Wanda Durant is going to spill the beans on how KD likes his sandwiches cut.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on October 25, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
...this thread became a hardcore porn thread so gradually I barely noticed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2017, 02:00:50 AM
Dubs and Lakers both with a nail biter tonite!!!

whew.
Warriors need to get it together. they show some glimpses of greatness, and they shut the competition down, then they keep getting sloppy. Almost let this one get away from them.
Jordan Bell is gonna be fun this season. He (eventually) gonna get all of Javale's playtime. quote me on that ;)
Curry, Dray, Iggy, Bell and Klay might become a alt-death line-up.
with the 1st 3 feeding Bell, low post and Oops, could be what Javale was last year. Just gotta shake those rookie jitters.


I didn't see more than the end of regulation and beyond for the Lakers game, but damn... Wall gotta be ashamed. They were hyping this up all day. "Wall gonna eat Ball alive" etc etc. Apparently even Wall was talking ****... then underperformed his way to a last second failed attempt at a game winner in OT while trying to draw the 3pt foul from Ball just for a tie +1 attempt.
Good for the Lakers. I'm sure the post-game was insufferable w/ Lavar Ball on the stand though. I turned it off as soon as the game was over.

oh... and the Cavs got beat by the Nets.
Lebron tried to take over, but the Nets were just too much for them. Actually out there looking like a more than decent team. It was rumored they might be good this year... but they didn't even have their point guard. Hope the Nets can keep it interesting and don't firmly sit at the bottom of the pack for the whole season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2017, 02:14:53 PM
Man, what a Warriors game last night.

Did anyone watch?

Beal v Dray: FIGHT.... sorta (more like cheap shot, then hug it out)
Oubre though...
long story short, I think the Wiz are gonna be short handed in their next game.

I'm thinking Beal, Markeif, and the other Wiz that jumped off the bench all get a 1 game suspension.
Oubre probably gets a multi game suspension for throwing punches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bf0gpppXRs

he actually clocks Wall in the back of the head on his way to land 2 more on Klay.

I also think Beal will get assessed a flagrant for grabbing Draymond by the face and neck area. That's on top of the penalty from the Tech, and then being suspended a game.

after all that (being down 14 at the time) the Warriors still won. LOL

and previous to that, it seemed like the Refs refused to call fouls committed by the Wiz, even the blatant ones, but we pull out the W anyway, so it's an even sweeter victory.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2017, 03:11:04 PM
Glad my Pels got a win, but what is up with the Cavs this year? I know between Rose, Wade, and IT there's only like 1.5 good knees, but dang.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2017, 05:30:15 PM
Cavs are right where LeBron wants them... Setting up his exit from Cleveland next off-season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 02, 2018, 12:49:11 PM
Warrior Talk - Curry returns after 3+ weeks off.... 10 3's for 39 points
Warrior offense FINALLY looking good again. Grizz had an offensive game of their own... probably best of the whole season. They ran with the Dubs, but just got out paced. was a good game.
Now everyone is back and everyone is looking good. Klay needs to find his shot, but with Curry back to cookin, he'll be making space for everyone again and hopefully Dubs start looking like their 2016 selves again.
(pre-post edit: Almost forgot to mention the bullshit 2nd tech that Dray ejected in the 1st quarter... I'm surprised that didn't get overturned, even if he didn't return to the game)

Rockets Talk - Harden with a pulled hammy, out in the end of the 4th.... Lakers should've won but rookies gonna rook. CP3 gets to pull the weight for the next 3 weeks now. Anyone care to guess how that will look? Harden is the #1 scorer and assister in the league right now. How will regular season Rockets perform w/o him?
Spurs and Timberwolves are right behind them in the win column, but the Rockets have played 2 or more less games than both of them. Can CP3 stay on the floor long enough to keep that 2nd place standing in the West?
(pre-post edit: almost forgot to mention the bullshit hook that Harden pulled on Hart that got Hart called for a foul. Harden literally hooked his arm and then in slo-mo spun around and then tried to fake a shot... meanwhile Hart is just standing there looking at the ref like "really...." then just as shocked as everyone else when the ref rewarded that with a whistle and a defensive foul - one of Hart's 6 fouls... :/ and he was playing good too)

Lakers talk - so many close loses.... they should've had that Rockets game, but Kuz decides a 40ft 3 with a few seconds on the clock of a tied game is the shot to take.... take that **** inside my man. Nothing to lose, get the bucket, get fouled, get a much closer shot... anything but a 40ft shot with time left on the clock. there's some potential on this team, but this year is not their year. The only team they are doing better than is the Atlanta Hawks, but there are a lot of games the Lakers have been playing that they could've won, and for whatever stupid decision by players or coaching, they lost.
(edit: I have to admit that I've only watched a few select Laker games, and they all happen to be where the Lakers actually had good games <i.e. vs Warriors, Rockets, and 2-3 other teams> so I may have just seen them at their best... which wasn't good enough, as I think they still lost most the games I saw. lol)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2018, 03:45:37 PM
All-Star Fan Voting has begun

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSu9rO_VMAA_lr9.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSu9n6YU8AAGHB2.jpg)

Lonzo Ball has more votes than Al Horford and 10 other players above him.
Lonzo has to be the Zaza of this years fan voting. No Way he makes the cut. LOL

Just remember that the 2 winners (1 East, 1 West) become team captains and get to chose their roster from everyone else selected to be an All-Star this year.
That's gonna make things intersting.

Team KD v Team Lebron... how do you see the potential starting 5 looking like.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
Would be really interesting to see if KD snubs Westbrook or if he picks Westbrook only to have him say, "You're still a bitch".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 16, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
You all missed some DRAMA last night. When does Bleacher Reports Game of Zones return? I think the opening drama for that went down last night.

But before I get to that... the Warriors Cavs game was good for the 1st 3 qtrs.
I think all Cavs fans should be a little concerned though. IT may not be 100 right now, but Cavs are not playing well... last night withstanding though. They did have a few highlights with some alleyoops from IT to Lebron that were pretty damn nice if I might say so myself. But even though the Cavs got to eat last night Chef Curry was only serving up L's to the competition.
Cavs retaliated by shutting off the hot water.... again. Cold Showers for ALL the visitors.


Westbrook got double T'd (in a matter of seconds) last night as well and ejected. OKC still beat the Kings though.

But the real drama of the night was CP3's return to L.A. to face the Clippers last night. Whooo boy did the **** go down. (I didn't watch the game, but caught the breakdown)
First Blake was taking it to CP3 physically, shoulders, elbows, etc etc etc. CP3 tried to laugh it off
Blake took it physically and verbally to Coach D'Antoni (gave him a quick elbow).... CP3 comes verbally at him, Ariza pushed him off physically... I believe Blake and D'Antoni or Ariza got a tech for this
Blake was body bumped out of bounds by Gordon, so Blake jumped up, and damn near chucked the ball at Gordons head so it would be out on him. (looked like it was still out on Blake as it touched him last)
Austin Rivers (sidelined w/ injury) got into it verbally with Ariza, so Blake got in the middle... they both (Blake and Ariza) got ejected
and at the end Gerald Green was barking at a ref.

but the best comes last
After the Rockets lost the game, they devised a plan to go confront the Clips in their locker room.
CP3 sent Capella up to the front locker room door, only to have it ultimatelly shut in his face.
But while that distraction was happening, CP3 led a small squad of Harden, Ariza and Gerald Green through a secret back hallway entrance to the Clips locker room to confront Blake and Rivers face to face.
Security got involved and the LAPD was in the mix too. and they were all separated before anything serious went down.

But Bleacher Report should have fun on Game of Zones with this one. Sounds like a season opener to me LOL

edit: Here's a Rocket Clippers recap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8T_d2qs7vs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8T_d2qs7vs)

edit 2: TWEETS!!!
(https://i.imgur.com/XHwNY9y.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/WE2KcXJ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/MVJZj5W.png)

edit 3: ESPN Article!!
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22116253/houston-rockets-push-la-clippers-locker-room (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22116253/houston-rockets-push-la-clippers-locker-room)

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LOS ANGELES -- In the aftermath of a cantankerous loss, Houston Rockets forward Trevor Ariza and stars Chris Paul and James Harden marched through a back corridor and into the LA Clippers' locker room late Monday night, suggesting that they wanted to confront Clippers players Austin Rivers and Blake Griffin, league sources told ESPN.

Rockets guard Gerald Green joined Ariza, Paul and Harden through the connecting hallway and breached the entrance of the home team's locker room.

Stunned Clippers players, celebrating a 113-102 victory, leaped to their feet upon the realization that four seething Rockets players had come calling for them, sources told ESPN.

For a few fleeting moments, several Clippers dared the Rockets to come farther into the room, sources said. Security and team officials soon converged on the Rockets, pushing them out the door and back toward the visiting locker room, sources said. Ariza was described as the first one through the door, with Paul lingering in the back, witnesses told ESPN.

EDITOR'S PICKS

CP3 draws mixed reception in return to L.A.
The boos for Chris Paul weren't the reason it was a disappointing return to L.A. for the former Clippers star, with his Rockets falling 113-102 at Staples Center on Monday night.

Clippers beat Paul, Rockets 113-102 for 5th win in a row
Lou Williams scored 31 points, Blake Griffin added 29 before his ejection, and the Los Angeles Clippers defeated the Houston Rockets 113-102 on Monday night in Chris Paul's heated return to Staples Center against his old team.

"It was classic NBA," one Clippers witness told ESPN. "None of these guys were going to fight."[/]
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on January 16, 2018, 06:36:46 PM
Wow. Hysterical.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2018, 12:12:21 AM
New News in the NBA....

Warriors play Celtics tomorrow, but Marcus Smart will be out with "lacerations" to his hands suffered during some off-court incident.
What could have happened!?
Well.... apparently Smart knocked up some hood rat, who is posting on IG that he is now paying all her bills, and that he apparently hates her and that she has him all "fucked up right now". She is apparently threatening to release their porno's.... and suddenly, Smart has "lacerations" to his hands suffered during an off-court incident. Could be a coincident... but I think we all know what it's related to.

and in other Terrible News... :(
Boogie Cousins helped lead the Pelicans to another win against the Rockets, but unfortunately didn't get to see the end of game because he tore his achillies with 8.1 seconds left in the game. He will miss the rest of the season... (maybe even some of the next?).
This is a contact year for Boogie, he has been playing exceptional bball, the Pelicans were finally gelling, he was all but guaranteed to make it to his first playoff series, and was selected as an All-Star.
It's never a good time for an injury, especially one like this, but this is a terrible time for it to happen. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

I'm also thinking that PG13 will take his All-Star slot on Team Lebron, so now Brodie and his moth eaten fashion can settle down as PG will not only be in the AS game, but on the same team as him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2018, 04:22:06 PM
That’s awful about Smart. If all of that is true, I wonder why he felt the need to go after a “hood-rat.”

Shame about Cousins as well. Considering how young he is, he’ll probably bounce back closer to six months than 10. Who knows when/if he returns to form? His contract situation will be interesting this summer. If Wesley Matthews could secure a four-year, $70 million contract with a still torn achilles, Cousins should still do well. Even if there’s some regression to his game, his skills and fundamentals are so good that he’ll still be effective. Who offers Cousins the max though? I feel like the Pelicans have to if the organization hopes to retain Anthony Davis past 2020. If the team disrespects Cousins with a lowball offer, that sends a terrible message. Before the injury, the max was always Cousins’ to turn down. This injury puts the Pelicans is a tough spot. Take a chance and offer Cousins the max with the hope he’s anywhere close to his pre-injury form. Or whiff, alienating the team’s franchise player by telling him the team won’t take care of its players, and there are no concrete plans to get better. With that in mind, Davis either grumbles until he’s traded or walks once his contract is up. Kyrie Irving forced a trade with two years left on his contract. The Cavs did not get equal value. I think there’s a chance we can see this again over the summer.

Westbrook will never settle down. He’s new-Kobe. And I still think Paul George leaves at the end of the year. The Thunder are not an elite team, and Westbrook’s super-max contract makes it that much harder to improve especially with a front office known for penny pinching (e.g. this team should still have James Harden). At the same time, no one is touching Golden State in the playoffs. The team gets bored in the regular season. The rest of the NBA is just hoping and praying Klay Thompson leaves next summer. This relates to George in that no team he can realistically sign with will win championships as long as the Warriors stay together. His choices are either lose on a small market team with no path to improving or lose on a different team that may have a chance at improving. If George signs in a larger market than Oklahoma City (the bar of which is very low), he’ll get all the residual benefits from that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on January 29, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
Holy **** the Clippers just gave up.


Blake Griffin to Detroit for Tobias Harris, Avery Bradley, Boban and some picks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2018, 12:52:54 AM
Can’t blame the Clippers. They weren’t going anywhere with the team as constructed. I read the Clippers are probably making a run at LeBron James and/or Paul George.

Elsewhere in Los Angeles Magic Johnson is sweating bullets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2018, 06:01:23 PM
Magic Johnson just got fined $50,000 for tampering. In an interview with ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253673/magic-johnson-expects-giannis-antetokuonmpo-take-milwaukee-bucks-championship), he drew parallels between himself and Giannis Antetokounmpo:
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With his ball-handling skills and his passing ability. He plays above the rim I never could do that. But in his understanding of the game, his basketball IQ, his creativity of shots for his teammates. That's where we [have the] same thing. Can bring it down, make a pass, make a play. I'm just happy he's starting in the All-Star game because he deserves that. And he's going to be like an MVP, a champion, this dude he's going to put Milwaukee on the map. And I think he's going to bring them a championship one day.
Weirdly, Johnson didn’t get fined last year for the winking-at-Paul-George joke on Jimmy Kimmel Live! and even though it was clearly in jest, I expected a tampering fine. The Lakers eventually got fined for Rob Pelinka’s not-tamerping-but-totally-tampering emails. Saying Antetokounmpo will bring the Bucks a title then getting docked on tampering is some bullshit. I could understand if Johnson said he’d love to have Antetokounmpo on his team (and honestly, get in line as there are 28 other teams in the league that would too).

Ultimately, the NBA hasn’t been consistent in handling tampering.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2018, 10:03:58 PM
Magic Johnson just got fined $50,000 for tampering. In an interview with ESPN (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22253673/magic-johnson-expects-giannis-antetokuonmpo-take-milwaukee-bucks-championship), he drew parallels between himself and Giannis Antetokounmpo:
Quote
With his ball-handling skills and his passing ability. He plays above the rim I never could do that. But in his understanding of the game, his basketball IQ, his creativity of shots for his teammates. That's where we [have the] same thing. Can bring it down, make a pass, make a play. I'm just happy he's starting in the All-Star game because he deserves that. And he's going to be like an MVP, a champion, this dude he's going to put Milwaukee on the map. And I think he's going to bring them a championship one day.
Weirdly, Johnson didn’t get fined last year for the winking-at-Paul-George joke on Jimmy Kimmel Live! and even though it was clearly in jest, I expected a tampering fine. The Lakers eventually got fined for Rob Pelinka’s not-tamerping-but-totally-tampering emails. Saying Antetokounmpo will bring the Bucks a title then getting docked on tampering is some bullshit. I could understand if Johnson said he’d love to have Antetokounmpo on his team (and honestly, get in line as there are 28 other teams in the league that would too).

Ultimately, the NBA hasn’t been consistent in handling tampering.

I agree with that, but I guess the rule is that Front Office personnel cannot talk about active NBA players not on their team.... it's stupid, but Steve Kerr just recently defelcted such a question about Lebron taking a meeting with the Warriors by stating that "should I just pull out my check book now and make it out to Adam Silver!? I'm not answering that question...."

In other news.... #TeamLebron may have yet another replacement on the way.
Kristaps Porzingis may be hurt, and might w/d from AS Game for precautionary reasons....

(Personally I think Lebron is using voodoo/hoodoo on his All-Star Teammates to steal their health and preserve his own health to help lead him to the team of his choice in the off-season)

Most likely replacement at this point is Kemba Walker from the Hornets.
but could be Ben Simmons, "rookie" from the 76ers.
(stay safe KD that curse on #TeamLebron seems legit)


----Also the Cavs had a 9pt 4th qtr (5pts scored in final minutes.... :/) in a big loss to the Orlando Magic. The entire Cavs team is imploding and they FO is no longer consulting LBJ on FO matters...
The team is out of sync, playing terribly and not getting along on or off the court. I'm pretty sure if things don't shape up post ASB, not only will the Cavs be struggling for those bottom playoff spots in the east, but Lebron will be shopping for his next team.
Title: FIRE SALE IN CLEVELAND!!! EVERYONE MUST GO!!!!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2018, 01:48:43 PM
Cleveland making MOVES!!!!!

They just Traded IT and Frye (both on expiriing contracts) and their protected 1st round pick, to the Lakers for Nance Jr. and Clarkson.
also made a trade with Utah and Sac for Hill and Hood, getting rid of Shumpert, Crowder and Derrick Rose.

This clears room for Lakers to pursue to Max Contracts in the off-season (Bron and PG?)
this gets IT out of Lebrons hair, and this also adds some decent youth and scoring to the Cleveland roster.

Oh ****... I'm still playing catch up, but Cleveland also trading Dwayne Wade to the Heat for a heavily protected 2nd round pick. LMAO

still, breaking, will update when I'm caught up!!!
NBA is the best reality TV for the last 2 seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on February 08, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
The real miracle here is how JR Smith survived all these moves.

Also I want to know how LeBron gets to the Finals with Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr, Rodney Hood and George Hill.


I think Cleveland just straight up gave Wade back to Miami, no questions asked.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2018, 02:07:36 PM
The real miracle here is how JR Smith survived all these moves.

Also I want to know how LeBron gets to the Finals with Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr, Rodney Hood and George Hill.


I think Cleveland just straight up gave Wade back to Miami, no questions asked.

Sheer will, determination and a little more of that #TeamBron hoodoo.


What I'd like to know is will the Cavs have a roster for tomorrow's game?
Did Atlanta just get the gimmie game of the year?

edit: LMAO - this is from last nights game.
https://twitter.com/MaxKellermanJr/status/961651099114631168 (https://twitter.com/MaxKellermanJr/status/961651099114631168)

Kyrie after todays trade news:
https://twitter.com/SInow/status/961655855564447744 (https://twitter.com/SInow/status/961655855564447744)
https://twitter.com/bycycle/status/961661300492460033
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on February 08, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
I suspect Dwayne Wade wants to retire and do it from Miami.

His wife is very happy about the news:
https://twitter.com/itsgabrielleu/status/961665217523601409 (https://twitter.com/itsgabrielleu/status/961665217523601409)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
These moves may get the Cavs out of the East, but they still aren’t enough to beat the Warriors or Rockets. It's especially weird that one of their major trades involved the Lakers. "Let us take those contracts off your hands so you have the cap space to sign Lebron James. Also, here's a (top three protected) draft pick."

In any case, the Cavs apparently asked Dwyane Wade if he'd be okay getting traded to Miami, the only fanbase that still treats him like royalty. If Cleveland cut Wade, couldn't another team claim him off waivers? Instead, he gets to go back to the Heat. The front office didn't have to do that so that's a pretty cool story.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on February 10, 2018, 11:09:14 AM
Lonzo Ball is releasing his debut album, “Born 2 Ball,” next week.

I’m disappointed it isn’t titled “Ball’s Deep.”
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2018, 02:08:45 AM
Rockets head into the All-Star break w/ the NBA's #1 record

Warriors had a helluva game against the Trailblazers though, but Steph and Klay couldn't get it going, yet Lillard and McCollum were just ON FIRE!!!! KD also had 50. it was a good game.
Hopefully the dubs come back from ASB with that fire in their eyes going to take back the #1 seed.
I know we play Portland at least 2 more times in the remainder of the season too... gonna be some good ones, but I think most of our worst is behind us.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on February 15, 2018, 10:44:31 AM
I don't think they need the #1 seed to advance to the finals.  They might be better off not gunning for it and burning the team out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2018, 12:07:15 PM
I don't think they need the #1 seed to advance to the finals.  They might be better off not gunning for it and burning the team out.
#1 seed or not, they need to shake some of these defensive bad habits and focus in. You ain't getting the bench in Playoff mode coasting into the playoffs. The starters and returning role players may be on the level when the times comes, but some of the bench need to develop those things that haven't been present for more than minutes during the regular season so far.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on February 15, 2018, 03:04:53 PM
Meanwhile, the Jazz are on an 11 game winning streak & have somehow shot back into Playoff Contention.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on February 21, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
https://deadspin.com/gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-ill-be-surprised-if-h-1823209934

I didn't think Kawhi's relationship with the Spurs was that bad. But it looks like it is.

Quote
Woj has a report on ESPN that cites sources who say that Leonard has been medically cleared to return from his right quad injury. However, he has so far chosen not to return to the active roster.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2018, 01:27:12 PM
https://deadspin.com/gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-ill-be-surprised-if-h-1823209934 (https://deadspin.com/gregg-popovich-on-kawhi-leonard-ill-be-surprised-if-h-1823209934)

I didn't think Kawhi's relationship with the Spurs was that bad. But it looks like it is.

Quote
Woj has a report on ESPN that cites sources who say that Leonard has been medically cleared to return from his right quad injury. However, he has so far chosen not to return to the active roster.

Wait.... so Kawhi chose not to play?
I heard he wanted to play, but the team wouldn't let him....

If he is sitting out on his own request... that is really concerning for his future w/ the Spurs.

edit:
Hmmmm twitter says Kawhi could be back next month....
ESPN reporting with @mikecwright: Spurs star Kawhi Leonard has returned to San Antonio to resume working out with team. There's hope of a March return. http://es.pn/2HNNfUp

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/968256157960851457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23968256157960851457
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2018, 10:51:23 AM
Resuming workouts with the team doesn’t necessarily mean the issues still aren’t there. Even a player who requests a trade will still workout with his team (not saying Kawhi Leonard requested a trade). ESPN suggested Leonard’s uncle, Dennis Robertson (who is also his business manager) may be causing the rift. I expect the Celtics to make a run for him this offseason. Not sure of the fit, but if you have a chance to land a top 3-5 player in the league, you make that move every time and figure it out later.

Anyway, Dwyane Wade hit another game winner. I tend to appreciate players more as they get closer to retiring. Same thing happened with Michael Jordan. I didn’t think about it until end then it hit me, “Man, I’m never going to see this guy play again.”
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on March 01, 2018, 12:01:04 PM
RIP Wesley Johnson
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
LOL. I knew someone would post the Harden Disrespekt (Not that I can see your YouTube video....)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 02, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
RIP Wesley Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBEV4l9YzOw

There ya go BnM.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2018, 01:00:32 PM
Oh, I see the disrespekt isn't just on the court. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 25, 2018, 09:00:20 PM
I found the kicks for Caterkiller

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2018, 08:47:11 AM
A couple quick questions:

1. How much trouble are the Warriors in without Steph Curry?

2. Is Kawhi Leonard intentionally tanking his trade value?

Steve Kerr doesn’t think Curry will be ready for the first round of the playoffs. Today, the team would play the Timberwolves. Assuming everyone else comes back, Golden State should win that series.

As for Kawhi Leonard, if I may put on my tinfoil hat, it certainly looks like he’s sending a message to the Spurs as well as every other team in the league: He wants out of San Antonio, but if you’re not a team he’s willing to play for, he is willing to sit out almost an entire season. Leonard is also a free agent next summer. I’m not sure any team trades anything of value under those conditions.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on March 26, 2018, 10:18:47 AM
A couple quick questions:

1. How much trouble are the Warriors in without Steph Curry?

Well, let me put it to you this way: they just got blown out by the Jazz 110-91, who are struggling to even make the playoffs, in Oakland.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on March 26, 2018, 10:48:13 AM
Well, let me put it to you this way: they just got blown out by the Jazz 110-91, who are struggling to even make the playoffs, in Oakland.
Without Curry, Durant, Green, AND Thompson. In my previous post, I specifically said without Curry (since the others are expected to be available for the Playoffs) and Kerr doesn’t expect him back for the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
A couple quick questions:

1. How much trouble are the Warriors in without Steph Curry?

Well, let me put it to you this way: they just got blown out by the Jazz 110-91, who are struggling to even make the playoffs, in Oakland.

We were literally running the B-Squad, headlined by our G-League rookie running point and as leading scorer. With the addition on Draymond, it might not have been a blow out, but Dray doesn't really provide offense. With the addition of just Klay that would have been a much closer game, and with Durant, a win for sure.

but here is my analysis I posted yesterday elsewhere:
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The Warriors haven't exactly been expending the same effort on defense during this regular season as they may have in the previous 3. If anything, since ASB, they've shown that they are actually capable of playing that kind of defense, they just haven't extended it for more than 1-2 qtrs in any particular game before they became sloppy and passive again. (in other words, this team has not been focused/"locked in" this season at all)

And I'm sure we (Warriors) can beat whoever is in the 7th seed w/o Steph, but I really think that comes down to who that ends up being for it is a 5 game or 7 game series.

OKC has an unreal amount of motivation against the Warriors. They only have 7 games left over the next 3 weeks and considering their position, 3 more losses could put them out of the playoffs all together. 5 of their next 7 is against playoff/potential teams (including the nuggets, who have beat them 2/3 games so far this season.) 1 of those games will be against the Warriors who will want to see them miss the playoffs. NO, HOU, SA are the other 3 playoff teams they are facing.

MIN I'm not all that worried about facing, and it's much more likely as they have a much easier schedule than OKC from here on out. 5 of their 8 final games is against teams not making the playoffs, and the only team that poses a potential threat is The Lakers.
The 3 teams they really gotta worry about is DEN x2 and The Jazz

The Spurs w/o Kawhi isn't really on my radar as a threat in a 7 game series. It might go to 5 w/o Curry, but I'm confident we got that. But looking at their upcoming schedule... they might be watching the playoffs from home anyway. 6 of their next 8 are all playoff/potential teams here (7 if you wanna count the Lakers that haven't been technically ruled out yet). The only gimme game they got is vs The Kings

The Pelicans.... they've been playing great, especially after doing 5 in 7 days and only losing 1, that 1 being to the Rockets.
I'm not sure how they'll hang against the Dubs minus Curry, but we've beaten all 3 times this year so far. Getting a clean sweep in the regular season will go along way with cleaning them up in the post season too. Unfortunately for them, 6 of their last 8 are also against playoff/potential teams, but I'm sure they'll win atleast half of those (SA, CLE, LAC, possibly OKC too)

LAC... no worries here. They would be lucky to make it in. 8th seed, 7th seed, 6th seed, i see it being in and out for them. 7 of their final 9 (8 if you count LAL) all playoff/potential teams fighting for position. But like I said, I think they'll be lucky to seed at all.

The Jazz I have some reservations about, but only if they actually start hitting shots and for whatever reason, we haven't flipped that defensive switch. I don't think they take a 7 game series, but I see them making it tough w/o Steph on the floor. I shouldn't even count their next 3 games w/ Memphis, Dallas, and a depleted Celtics. But the 5 games after that, they play the Lakers 2x, and the Clippers, so they have a good chance of maybe climbing up from that 8th seed where they currently sit (hopefully to that 4th or 5th seed tho)

The Nuggets I'm not really sure about. Outside of Jokic, I can't remember who's on the team. I ain't worried about this team though, they just lost to Miami, Memphis and Dallas this month. But their remaining schedule is full of position jockeying teams too, so who knows if they climb into the playoffs or not. Everything is so close between 4-10.

and if you wanna include them....
The Lakers - maybe next year. Great push at the end, but too little too late this season.


The hardest thing to determine is who will be in any position from 4-8
and Steph is determined to come back during the 1st round (assuming it longer than a 4-5 game series).
Kerr thinks we can get by Rnd1 w/o him, but I'd rather he be ready to go just.in.case.


It's a damn shame we can't NBA 2K it and turn off injuries and fatigue so we can get all teams at their best giving their all. This season has been plagued with injuries, luckily some teams are able to weather those storms


So to get back to the question
A couple quick questions:1. How much trouble are the Warriors in without Steph Curry?


in the 1st round... assuming everyone else comes back healthy and no more injuries.... not much. But I doubt any team outside of LAC gets done in less than 5-6 games.

Quinn Cook has turned out to be pretty good. with him running starting Point, and Durant and Klay to outlet to, we'll be alright. He very active on D and producing on O.
but unfortunately McCaw is a BUST offensively. dude can't find his shot for nothing. another '15/'16 Harrison Barnes.
2nd unit w/ Klay, Liviingston and West will be fine as long as the later two can hit shots.
if the 2nd unit can maintain or extend a lead, we are in good shape.
Bell needs to be a little more aggressive on Offense, and Damion Jones didn't look bad in his limited minutes last nite either.

Overall I think we'll be fine in the 1st round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Caterkiller on March 26, 2018, 07:22:08 PM
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Oh lord! Man if I shoes like those it would change everything...

I would seriously rock those! Rock em hard!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 09, 2018, 09:24:37 AM
I acknowledge my cold take on the Jazz. No one thought Donovan Mitchell was going to be this good in his rookie year. I’d still lean toward Ben Simmons for Rookie of the Year. Mitchell can ball though.

I also acknowledge my cold take regarding the Pacers. Jebus, Victor Oladipo is playing well above expectations this year. Time will tell if that’s sustainable. I won’t make any predictions considering how wrong I was. The Jimmy Butter trade is still trash though. I don’t know what the hell the Bulls were thinking.

I’m on the fence regarding the Kyrie Irving trade. The Celtics got the best player. Full stop. However, considering Irving’s sulking, the Cavs didn’t do terribly. Using the pieces from that trade, the Cavs got some decent young pieces and still have the Nets’ lottery pick this summer. It shouldn’t be too difficult to trade Kevin Love should the team decide to tank next season.

I don’t know if the Rockets are as good as their record. I still expect to see Warriors vs Cavaliers for the 37th time in a row. At the same time, as illustrated above, I’m pretty awful at basketball hot takes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 10, 2018, 09:57:47 AM
Well Portland's collapse was unexpected. If the Jazz win their 2 remaining games, they'll have the #3 seed in the West. Not bad for a team that was lottery-bound in December.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2018, 11:22:50 AM
Warriors are screwed right now.

If OKC shows up, and you know they have the unreal level of motivation against KD and the Warriors, but they don't have Curry to draw defensive out of the paint, I can only hope the Warriors really do have a "switch" and actually flip it so they can make it to the 2nd round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 10, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
I see the Warriors decided to throw tonight's game, so it looks like the Jazz just need to win tomorrow night to win the 3rd Seed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2018, 11:54:02 PM
It's a damn shame we couldn't beat either NO or OKC tho.... because we really don't want no OKC w/o Curry.

Our team lacks a motivator right now. Durant is just kinda there.... Dray just chillin trying not to get his last Tech. and Klay is just trying get his 20.

Tonights game was pathetic on both ends of the floor for the Warriors.
I really hope it's all a motivation thing. If we had atleast beat the Jazz... I think they woulda moved down to 7th, as OKC owns the tie breaker. But I'm not sure if OKC is stuck at 7th yet...

And I never thought I would see POR in trouble of losing the 3rd seed with how good they were playing. I thought they were up enough games that even a minor collapse wouldn't change their positioning. I guess McCollum just couldn't keep it afloat alone.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2018, 09:09:53 AM
I’m not ready to panic regarding the Warriors yet. Teams care more in the Playoffs, and the Warriors were never in danger of falling below the second seed so games like last night didn’t move the needle. I don’t think it matters who they play. They’re still the team to beat in the West just like the Cavs, even as the fourth seed, is the team to beat in the East.

Three to nine in the West is crazy close. It’s interesting that the Spurs and Pelicans are playing each other and the Timberwolves and Nuggets are playing each other in the final games.

Still, I only partially care. The Jazz and the Sixers are great stories, but the NBA is so top heavy that it almost doesn’t matter. I’m personally rooting for the Sixers in the Playoffs because I’ve lived in and around Philadelphia my entire life. I root for them except when they play the Lakers. I don’t expect the Sixers to go anywhere though it’s a successful season for them either way.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2018, 09:18:06 PM
I wanted to hop on this morning, but I've been crazy busy all day. on the radio they said that OKC can't even be in 7th regardless of who wins loses today. LOL

Jazz could end up with the 3rd seed, and Nuggets could be in the playoffs making MIN sit out for the 14th year in a row.

Warriors could end up playing the Spurs, Pels, TWolves or Nuggets....
all much more easier targets than an ultra motivated OKC witha Curry-less Warriors.


edit: All is good in the Golden State. We got the Kawhi-less Spurs. :D
and good for TWolves making it in at the 8th seed vs the slightly weakened Rockets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2018, 11:29:08 PM
Looks like annihilating the Warriors last night took too much out of the Jazz, as they're set to lose to the Blazers, which I believe would move them down to the 5th seed against the Thunder.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2018, 11:31:50 PM
Up by 40 at the half on a clearly unmotivated Warriors should have clued them to tap the breaks a little and save the rest for tonight.

But the Blazers do have DameDolla back, and he was motivated to get that 3 seed back.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2018, 11:32:12 PM
I wanted to hop on this morning, but I've been crazy busy all day. on the radio they said that OKC can't even be in 7th regardless of who wins loses today. LOL
I was trying to figure out which team would end up where based on tie-breakers then realized it didn’t matter.

Looks like the Warriors will play the Spurs.
(https://i.imgur.com/NrHNlX1_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2018, 11:37:09 PM
just an FYI, but Kawhi is out for a leg injury.... thigh or something. Zaza took out an ankle last year

We got the best possible outcome for having slept walked through the majority of this season with a beer in one hand and a bag of cheetos in the other. But if Kawhi suddenly decides he gonna play now.... I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2018, 11:47:34 PM
just an FYI, but Kawhi is out for a leg injury.... thigh or something. Zaza took out an ankle last year
It’s his quad. I figured they were related.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2018, 12:07:05 AM
just an FYI, but Kawhi is out for a leg injury.... thigh or something. Zaza took out an ankle last year
It’s his quad. I figured they were related.

They're not, but I didn't want to ruin the meme. Zaza got away with a dirty play, intentional or not.
Quad injury was a pre-existing irritant I believe.




So here's what happens after the next 8 game minutes are up in the POR v UTA game
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If portland wins we get

Rockets vs Wolves
OKC vs Utah
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Portland vs NoP
Warriors vs Spurs


If Jazz win, we get

Rockets vs Wolves
Portland vs NoP
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OKC vs Jazz
Warriors vs Spurs

FYI, Portland is currently winning, and Dame wants that 3 seed.
so.... GO PORTLAND!!!

edit:
LOL
(https://i.imgur.com/38dM5V9.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 12, 2018, 01:21:27 AM
Oh well...we didn't win the Division & the 3rd seed, and the Thunder are probably the worst matchup the Jazz could have in the 1st round. Still, considering where we started this season, ending with the 5th seed is still a win in my books.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2018, 01:55:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/trmqxBV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/roz70kq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/x1StlFu.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2018, 01:25:39 AM
(https://scontent-sjc3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/812d8ea560086a3e8a5e7be59fb85d08/5B500F60/t51.2885-15/e35/30590525_1012568222231230_4894302348337217536_n.jpg)

There's also been 2 episodes of Game of Zones
(I might edit in links later..... but probably not)


edit: and these Donovan Mitchell's he's wearing tomorrow are pretty dope.
(https://i.imgur.com/C8IQHYU.jpg)

I'd rock these, but gotta remove the "rookie" on them first. I know why he has it on there, but I would need something else there instead.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2018, 01:11:51 AM
+
Portland is in trouble. Down 2-0 to the Pelicans after hosting home court i nteh 1st 2 games..... smh.
They probably ain't making 2nd round, but hopefully they can make a series out of this and not get swept 2 years in a row.
They ain't made the 2nd round since 2014. So Dame Dolla better sync his watch for Central Time so he knows what time it is once he get to New Orleans.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on April 18, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
Go Pels!  #DoItBIGGER
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 18, 2018, 10:39:09 PM
OK, there we go: after being humiliated in the 1st game in the series, the Jazz came back & won Game 2 against the Thunder. I wasn't able to watch the game since apparently the Playoffs are on NBA TV now...and I don't have it. However, judging by the play-by-play text, the Thunder tried to 3 point shoot their way out of their problems...and it failed spectacularly at the end.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2018, 12:49:21 AM
I'm glad the Jazz didn't let me down tonight. Everyone else did.

Pacers almost pulled it off, but if it wasn't for Lebron going 20-4 by himself against Indy in the opening to the 1st quarter, Cavs lose this game by 10. Lebron going to Philly in the off season

The Timberpups were disappointing today. They had another solid opportunity to topple the Rockets and squandered it again by once again going cold and playing like ****. The Rockets were not shooting good and were beyond vulnerable. The Nuggets could've gotten the job done.
I hope the Pups show up at home. this last game was beyond embarrassing (and boring... this is the game that should have been on NBA TV).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on April 19, 2018, 03:07:57 PM
Crazy to think that this could be the first time in SEVEN YEARS that LeBron doesn't make it to the Finals.  He may not even make it out of the first round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2018, 12:36:51 AM
Crazy to think that this could be the first time in SEVEN YEARS that LeBron doesn't make it to the Finals.  He may not even make it out of the first round.

Man I been saying that for months. For a minute, it looked like he might not even make the playoffs.
Lebron can't carry his team to the finals if the last 3 games show all the rest of the team is capable of bring to the table. Especially when Love is hurt again.
Cavs only won game 2 because OLADIPOOOOO!!!! got those 2 quick fouls and was out for most of the 1st qtr.
2 more minutes to the game, and I bet Pacers woulda won.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 20, 2018, 08:19:19 AM
Man, what is going ON with the Blazers? The Pelicans are just wiping the floor with them. It's like winning that last game against the Jazz to secure the 3rd seed drained them of all their will to fight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on April 20, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
Crazy to think that this could be the first time in SEVEN YEARS that LeBron doesn't make it to the Finals.  He may not even make it out of the first round.

Man I been saying that for months. For a minute, it looked like he might not even make the playoffs.
Lebron can't carry his team to the finals if the last 3 games show is all the rest of teh team is capable of bring to the table. Especially when Love is hurt again.
Cavs only won game 2 because OLADIPOOOOO!!!! got those 2 quick fouls and was out for most of the 1st qtr.
2 more minutes to the game, and I bet Pacers woulda won.

He's carried an arguably worse team to the finals before (only to get swept), but competition is stiffer for him now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
This current team of LeBron hasn't had the luxury of an entire regular season to "figure it out".
LeBron tired himself out in the 1st quarter of the last game scoring all the starting points.
And the only reason the Cavs had that kind of lead in the first place,  was because Oladipo carries his team, and from what I hear, they are absolute trash when he isn't on the floor. So the 2 quick fouls the that whole 1st quarter out of whack.
Oladipo I think only had 1 more fouls the entire rest of the game, abs they only lost by 3 at the very last second.

I don't think Lebron can do that for 11 more wins just to get to the NBA finals. They barely got that game 2 victory.
And now even K.Love is playing injured again.
I could be wrong... And they may invent a Playoff MVP for LeBron if he gets his team there, but I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 20, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
It’s the Raptor’s year to lose to the Warriors in the NBA Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2018, 08:29:58 PM
I said something, so now the rest of the Cavs showed up to play today (and in style, since they all showed up in matching tailored suits).... at least for the first half.

LeBron can't do it all. Love had to play through the pain, and EVERYONE else on that team needs to step it the **** up.
Sounds like the message was already delivered.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on April 20, 2018, 09:16:15 PM
Ha, ha. Yeah, not so fast on that one.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 20, 2018, 10:08:49 PM
LOL, Cavs. I don’t hate the team. I just really hate Dan Gilbert.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 20, 2018, 10:24:56 PM
Good on the Wizards & Bucks putting up an actual fight tonight. I've always thought that if the 1st Round was going to be so spectacularly boring & one-sided, they should take it back to 5 games instead of the extended 7-game series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2018, 01:15:34 AM
Ha, ha. Yeah, not so fast on that one.
LOL, Cavs. I don’t hate the team. I just really hate Dan Gilbert.

I didn't get to see/listen to the 2nd half buy LMAO @ The Cavs.
can't believe they blew that 17pt lead at the half, and almost came back to just to come up short.
Bron going to Philly next year. I'm tellin you. Finals ain't happening. I'm very doubtful on a game 6 in the 1st round at this point. LOL

I'm really hoping the Trailblazers and the Timberwolves can get at least 1 win in tomorrow.
Trailblazers are already in a Win or Go Home situation..... (3 seed getting picked on by the 6th, smfh)
Utah also need needs to go up 2-1 on OKC
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 21, 2018, 10:08:54 AM
Ha, ha. Yeah, not so fast on that one.
LOL, Cavs. I don’t hate the team. I just really hate Dan Gilbert.

I didn't get to see/listen to the 2nd half buy LMAO @ The Cavs.
can't believe they blew that 17pt lead at the half, and almost came back to just to come up short.
Bron going to Philly next year. I'm tellin you. Finals ain't happening. I'm very doubtful on a game 6 in the 1st round at this point. LOL

I'm really hoping the Trailblazers and the Timberwolves can get at least 1 win in tomorrow.
Trailblazers are already in a Win or Go Home situation..... (3 seed getting picked on by the 6th, smfh)
Utah also need needs to go up 2-1 on OKC

To be fair to the Blazers, Seeds 3-8 in the West were separated by something like 1-2 games, so this year 6 beating 3 is not that unheard of.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2018, 12:30:19 PM
Ha, ha. Yeah, not so fast on that one.
LOL, Cavs. I don’t hate the team. I just really hate Dan Gilbert.

I didn't get to see/listen to the 2nd half buy LMAO @ The Cavs.
can't believe they blew that 17pt lead at the half, and almost came back to just to come up short.
Bron going to Philly next year. I'm tellin you. Finals ain't happening. I'm very doubtful on a game 6 in the 1st round at this point. LOL

I'm really hoping the Trailblazers and the Timberwolves can get at least 1 win in tomorrow.
Trailblazers are already in a Win or Go Home situation..... (3 seed getting picked on by the 6th, smfh)
Utah also need needs to go up 2-1 on OKC

To be fair to the Blazers, Seeds 3-8 in the West were separated by something like 1-2 games, so this year 6 beating 3 is not that unheard of.

Looking back... Blazers had the 3 seed by a nice sized margin for a long time before Lillard went down just before the end of the season. But you are right about the final records. 3-10 were all really close in the end.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2018, 07:03:10 PM
Blazers are less than 18 game minutes away from watching the rest of the playoffs from home.

Pelicans on sniper mode. They making EVERYTHING right now. I don't see much hope for a comeback, even if Blazers get hot right now.

edit: Yep. Blazers swept 2 years in a row in the first round.
I believe that's 10 straight Playoff losses in a row for Portland.

and they out the playoffs before some teams even played a game 3.... what's the rush Portland?

Do they make some major changes in the off season or just tweak it a little?

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 21, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Meanwhile, even the Timberpups had the self-respect to win ONE game against the Rockets. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 22, 2018, 12:33:40 AM
1. “Thanks for beating the Thunder again.” - Signed, Magic Johnson

2. I don’t really keep up with the Jazz so this is the first time I’ve seen them, but what the hell is up with those alt jerseys? Ew.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 22, 2018, 12:34:59 AM
And the Jazz have now taken the lead in their series against the Thunder, 2-1, with a commanding 115-102 win.

Ricky Rubio had a triple-double with 26 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists. Meanwhile, Russel Westbrook and Carmelo Anthony combined for 28 points.

Yeah...I don't see this series turning against the Jazz at this point the way they're currently playing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 22, 2018, 12:35:33 AM
1. “Thanks for beating the Thunder again.” - Signed, Magic Johnson

2. I don’t really keep up with the Jazz so this is the first time I’ve seen them, but what the hell is up with those alt jerseys? Ew.

Yeah, I despise the Orange jerseys & that wretched red court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2018, 12:59:33 AM
What I want to know is why was Kyrie courtside talking to Donovan Mitchell at the game tonight....
I know he ain't playing right now, but the Celtics have a morning game tomorrow.

and the SportCenter guys agree on The Jazz uniforms and court
"The uniforms are TERRIBLE, and the court is.... dicey..." - SC @ Night

LOL
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Post by: broodwars on April 22, 2018, 01:52:27 AM
Russel Westbrook is taking getting humiliated by Ricky Rubio well. -_-

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/987929077528125440 (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/987929077528125440)

"I'm going to shut that s*** off next game, though. I guarantee that."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 22, 2018, 12:01:09 PM
So yeah...there is a reason for those fugly flame-based Jazz uniforms & court: they're supposed to symbolize the Utah sunset over the Red Rocks mountain range.

Yeah...no. I'm FROM Utah, and even I find that reference to be way too obscure. The gradients overcomplicate the uniforms, and fire is the theme of the Phoenix Suns, not the Jazz. We've always used a music or ice theme.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/25/16817926/utah-jazz-uniforms-new-city-sunset (https://www.sbnation.com/2017/12/25/16817926/utah-jazz-uniforms-new-city-sunset)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 22, 2018, 02:46:37 PM
The uni would make more sense for the Suns
but the uni and the court has been distracting enough for them to get up 2-1 over OKC in the playoffs. ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 22, 2018, 05:35:48 PM
The Heat’s Miami Vice jerseys are the only alts I liked more than the standard ones.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on April 22, 2018, 06:25:03 PM
Will sell Raptors team name for a buck to whoever wants it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2018, 01:06:17 AM
The Heat’s Miami Vice jerseys are the only alts I liked more than the standard ones.

Those jerseys are FIRE tho.
it should become the main home jersey. lol

Everyone I wanted to win today lost.... except the Bucks.

I was really banking on the Pacers v Cavs game, but Oladipo let me down.
I don't really care about the Raptors/Wizards... but the Raps need to shut them down already
and I figured the Dubs would drop one to the Spurs after the new w/ Pop, but I figured it would've been the last game... not today's game. Oh well, we'll just have to finish it at home on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 23, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
The Heat’s Miami Vice jerseys are the only alts I liked more than the standard ones.

Those jerseys are FIRE tho.
it should become the main home jersey. lol
I’d go as far as just changing the team colors and making the Vice Nights jerseys the main ones for home and away.

I looked up the other alt jerseys. Some are pretty good (e.g. Bulls, Kings) while most of the rest are plain/inoffensive (e.g. Mavericks, Pistons). Jazz, Spurs, and Magic are at the very bottom.
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Everyone I wanted to win today lost.... except the Bucks.
Yep. The Cavs losing would have been curtains for them. They don’t have the talent to dig out of a 3-1 hole. No idea what the heck the Raptors are doing.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 23, 2018, 05:31:31 PM
The Heat’s Miami Vice jerseys are the only alts I liked more than the standard ones.

Those jerseys are FIRE tho.
it should become the main home jersey. lol
I’d go as far as just changing the team colors and making the Vice Nights jerseys the main ones for home and away.

Gonna have to strongly agree with this one.  Those jerseys put everyone else to shame.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 23, 2018, 09:52:15 PM
Hello? Police? I'd like to report a murder. #RocketsvWolvesGame3Quarter3
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
Hello? Police? I'd like to report a murder. #RocketsvWolvesGame3Quarter3

Hello Caller... can you describe the culprit?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZYbMsWA.jpg)
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Post by: Shaymin on April 23, 2018, 10:06:16 PM
nice
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2018, 12:13:02 AM
I didn't expect much out of the Timberpups, but damn are they disappointing.
Outside of that 3rd quarter, please let the Jazz play the Houston team that's shown up for the rest of the series. And should GS match off against HOU in the WCF, please let that same Rockets team show up.

At least the Jazz are keeping me more than entertained right now. They need to take it to WB though. Get him in Foul Trouble in the 3rd.


edit: It's so funny that WB is so focused on "Shutting that **** down" in reference to Rubio smoking his ass w/ a triple double in the last game, that he is now not only not shutting down Rubio but getting smoked by Rookie D. Mitchell too. LMAO


Utah gonna finish this in OKC. PG gonna hitch a ride with Utah to Houston, and then catch the connecting flight to LA. LMAO

edit2:
(https://i.imgur.com/5uTjdvF.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 24, 2018, 01:24:13 AM
I swear, by the end of the series someone's going to throw a punch, the way this game went, with constant game stoppages for flying elbows & technical fouls. -_-'

Yeah, this was a fun one to watch as the Jazz crushed the Thunder 113-96. I was a little nervous for the first 1.5 quarters when the Jazz couldn't buy a bucket & the Refs seemed determined to take this game over (including a phantom foul on the Jazz when one of the Thunder players hit Westbrook). However, the Jazz managed to grind down the Thunder & stay in the game until the shots finally started landing halfway through the 2nd quarter. And from there, the Jazz were off to the races. This game was never in danger of falling out of their control after the first half.

I'm proud of this team. They remind me of the 90s-era Jazz in the sheer energy & hustle I saw on the court. If there was a loose ball, there was a Jazz man making a run for it & quite frequently knocking it back into play. They played hard, and they showed the Thunder that they are more than their match, despite not having the "star power". This team plays with a chip on their shoulder after a season of everyone writing them off after Hayward bailed.

And Russel Westbrook can go **** off. He was so focused on his little one-sided pissing match with Rubio that he didn't realize that Rubio isn't supposed to be a primary scorer with the Jazz. Rubio doesn't care if Westbrook shuts him down from a scoring perspective. His job, as the Point Guard, is to get the ball to the players who can best make the shots. He was so focused on Rubio that, meanwhile, every other major Jazz player was having the time of their life.
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Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2018, 08:30:56 AM
Someone explain to me how the Rockets & Timberwolves is "MUST-SEE TNT TV", but the Jazz & OKC tonight is relegated to NBA TV. -_-

On a side note, the Warriors & 76ers advanced last night, as expected.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2018, 08:54:37 AM
Because the Rockets are the better, more popular team?

Last night may have been Dwayne Wade’s last game. I hope he comes back for another season so people have a chance to prepare to see an all-time great one last time.
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Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2018, 10:13:06 AM
Because the Rockets are the better, more popular team?

Despite the fact that it's likely going to be a boring game & a blowout? The last Jazz-Thunder game was not only great basketball, but featured multiple on-court altercations. If that doesn't scream "more worthy of national attention" than a 20-30 point blowout by the Top Team in the league over an 8th seed, I don't know what does.

And SPEAKING of those altercations, Russell Westbrook's been fined $10,000 & issued a post-game technical foul for iniating an altercation with Utah's Rudy Golbert while at the scorer's table. The actual RULES say that's a 1 Game Suspension, but since when has the NBA ever applied their own rules when a "star" is involved? I guarantee you that Rudy would be sitting a game if the situation was reversed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2018, 10:35:00 AM
Doesn’t matter. The Rockets were the best team this year by record. The only other teams that will get more national coverage are the Warriors (defending champs, four all-stars) and maybe the Cavs (because LeBron). I’m not saying I agree with it, but if you want an explanation, it’s as simple as popular teams get priority. The Jazz and Thunder are small market teams that likely won’t make it to the Finals. TNT doesn’t care which may be a better game; it cares which one gets more viewers. The Rockets posted the first 50 point playoff quarter in over 50 years. People want to watch that team. I don’t, but other people do.

And I just realized “Dwyane” got auto-corrected.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2018, 12:10:24 PM
How do you guys see the Dubs performing against the Pels for the first 2 home games in Oakland w/o Curry?

I'm really hoping they play get it together, because they've been too lax on most things all season and now there isn't a fine tuned defensive front, as they haven't practiced it all season.
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Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
How do you guys see the Dubs performing against the Pels for the first 2 home games in Oakland w/o Curry?

I'm really hoping they play get it together, because they've been too lax on most things all season and now there isn't a fine tuned defensive front, as they haven't practiced it all season.

I think that series goes 6 games, but could go either way depending on how much New Orleans wants it & how determined the Warriors are to coasting through the round.
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Post by: nickmitch on April 25, 2018, 01:22:45 PM
I think the Pels can steal one on the road here.  They did a good job defensively with Dame, so I'm thinking they can keep KD at bay (no pun intended) and with Steph out, Klay and Draymond might not be enough to outscore AD and Jrue who seem to have ascended to super-saiyan levels.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2018, 07:20:42 PM
4-1, Warriors with Curry. 4-2 Warriors without Curry.

Anthony Davis is amazing, a top 5 player. I’m not buying that the Pelicans are as good as they looked against the Blazers. Golden State is a much more talented team. Full stop.
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Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2018, 10:21:46 PM
Come on, Pacers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2018, 10:29:22 PM
The Jazz are currently wiping the floor with the Thunder in Game 5. It's amazing how OKC refuses to learn from their mistakes. They're still running Iso plays while the Jazz are whipping the ball all over the court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2018, 11:48:31 PM
The Jazz are currently wiping the floor with the Thunder in Game 5. It's amazing how OKC refuses to learn from their mistakes. They're still running Iso plays while the Jazz are whipping the ball all over the court.

Jazz: ::sweating::
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 25, 2018, 11:53:21 PM
The Jazz are currently wiping the floor with the Thunder in Game 5. It's amazing how OKC refuses to learn from their mistakes. They're still running Iso plays while the Jazz are whipping the ball all over the court.

Jazz: ::sweating::

Smh...oh well, looks like we'll have to finish them off in Game 6. Westbrook won't go nuts like this again, and I don't think Snyder will let this team get so goddamn complacent again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2018, 12:01:12 AM
Come on, Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 26, 2018, 08:47:08 PM
NBA admitted it missed Lebron’s goaltend last night. /slow clap
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2018, 11:30:22 PM
NBA admitted it missed Lebron’s goaltend last night. /slow clap

Wait...you're saying that the NBA has a tradition of conveniently *missing" rule-breaking by Stars who bring the NBA lots of money? Nooooo.... :P

Seriously, Jazz fans have a history of grievances with the League over bogus calls (or lack thereof) in the name of Big Market Stars costing us at least one championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2018, 02:53:27 AM
NBA admitted it missed Lebron’s goaltend last night. /slow clap

2 minute report and pointing it out after the fact does nothing to change the end result.
Pacers had a chance to be up 3-2. That moment is now forever gone. Them admitting they fucked up afterwards does not fix this. It only strengthens the belief of the audience that "the refs suck" and that their team got screwed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 27, 2018, 11:53:51 PM
****...Ricky Rubio's injured. Left hamstring. That could signal the end of us in the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2018, 12:31:14 AM
Yeah, but let’s talk about our lord and savior, Donovan Mitchell.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 28, 2018, 01:11:57 AM
Yeah, but let’s talk about our lord and savior, Donovan Mitchell.

Yeah, seriously. SOMEHOW, despite losing Rubio & despite OKC having 5-6 consecutive chances to tie the game in the last minute, the Jazz held on to win 96-91 and advance to a really rough series with Houston.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2018, 01:14:09 AM
The Jazz apparently forgot how to rebound in the last minute of the most important game of their season so far. Then, they fouled Paul George shooting a three pointer. TWICE. Good thing the refs suddenly turned into the shrug emoji both times.

Thanks for helping the Lakers sign Paul George in July, Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2018, 09:42:57 PM
Now the Pacers need to do their part and send Lebron to Philly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on April 28, 2018, 11:13:45 PM
If any team has a chance to sign LeBron, they should do so and figure it out later. Still, the Sixers make the least sense for LeBron. He’s 33, and unless he changes his game (he won’t), the Sixers are taking the ball out of Ben Simmons’ hands. They should make a run for Kawhi Leonard or wait a year and make a run for Jimmy Butler. Then again, get in line. The Sixers have assets though.

Disappointed a depleted Celtics beat the Bucks. Whomp.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2018, 12:02:43 AM
Bucks are a HUGE disappointment.
Watch Kyrie come back if they make the 3rd round though. LOL

And who would've known... but the Warriors and KILLING the Pels at Halftime.
76-55 Dubs.

Crazy 3/4 court shot made by the Pels at the buzzer to bring it that close.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on April 29, 2018, 04:15:25 PM
Looks like we're stuck w/ the Cavs in the 2nd round, and it looks like this is likely as far as the Jazz can go without Ricky Rubio.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2018, 10:04:33 PM
Lebron basically willed his team to that victory. Hopefully the Raps will show up and finish what the Pacers just weren't ready to do.

and that Rockets game was boring AF. I ope Utah can make the adjustments w/o Rubio for game 2 and make this a series early.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on April 30, 2018, 10:42:14 AM
Well, with Steph coming back and that game 1 performance, I'm just gonna hope the Pels don't get swept.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 01, 2018, 10:59:11 PM
I see the Raptors are doing what they do best. After all these years, a lot of things have changed, but the Raptors are still the Raptors.

(https://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2018, 11:31:01 PM
How I feel about the Sixers and Raptors right now:
(https://i.imgur.com/ee2AG5o.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2018, 09:10:33 AM
Raptors are a bunch of Choke Artist.

Valancunias got something like 26 rebounds, mostly from getting his own misses that he just continues to miss from 3 inches away from the rim... pathetic. had he made just one of those 7-8 putbacks of his own initial miss... smh
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 02, 2018, 08:47:24 PM
The Jazz are showing some life tonight. Hopefully, they keep it up.

Charles Barkley: "The Utah Jazz aren't good enough to expose the flaws in Houston."

The Jazz are currently up by 16 in the 2nd quarter. In Houston.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2018, 09:15:28 PM
broodwars, stop doing this. Last time you got cocky, the Thunder came back and won game 5. I really need the Rockets to lose this game series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 02, 2018, 09:22:01 PM
broodwars, stop doing this. Last time you got cocky, the Thunder came back and won game 5. I really need the Rockets to lose this game series.

No cockiness, just pointing out that the Jazz can hang with them and Charles Barkley's full of crap. We might lose this game, & we might win it. But right now, we're in the game despite the Refs basically calling a foul every time Harden so much as touches the ball and sometimes when it doesn't. Ingles got a foul just now when a Rockets player pushed him into Harden. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2018, 10:45:09 PM
MVP of the game... Joe Ingles?

Whatever, I’ll take it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 02, 2018, 10:45:32 PM
BOOYAH! The Jazz...SOMEHOW...held off to beat the Rockets in Game 2 116-108.

Let's be honest here: the Jazz got really lucky that the Rockets shot as badly as they did, but Dante Exum; Alex Burks; & especially Ingles played incredibly.

That said, the arrogance of the Rockets was on full display tonight. They played the entire game like they could just "turn it on" at any time, playing complacently in large spurts. They almost got away with it, too, just because they ARE that stupidly stacked with talent. But the Jazz wanted this win, and a team of relative nobodies beat the best team in the league.

Hey, at least we won't be swept, and the pressure's all on Houston. The Jazz weren't supposed to even MAKE the playoffs, let alone the 2nd round.

For the life of me, I don't understand how the Rockets decided to play that last minute. They didn't even try to win by playing the Foul Game. They just conceded the game & let the Jazz walk away practically uncontested.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2018, 11:41:02 PM
Outside of that ONE quarter in the previous series, the Rockets have shot pretty bad in EVERY game of the playoffs so far. It's a damn shame the Timberwolves only won one game, and just barely.

The Jazz in 6 if the Rockets keep shooting poorly, or a toss up for a game 7.
Playoff Harden won't allow a 2nd round win though. CPlayoff3 is cursed from advancing beyond the 2nd round, so the Jazz have my full support for catching that gentlemans sweep in the WCF vs the Warriors.

And you'll just be happy to get there. Donovan Mitchell has been an amazing get for the Jazz.


edit:
and just because it's hilarious and relevant to this thread.
#InfinityWarSpoilerWithNoContext (https://i.imgur.com/d3Kgb9Y.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 03, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
Inside the NBA last night was embarrassing to watch. You'd think the Rockets had been beaten by the Orlando Magic, not one if the best teams in the league coming out of the All-Star Break. It's all about how the Rockets slacked off against a lesser team, and it's a sentiment I've seen shared elsewhere today.

The Jazz aren't the most talented team in the League, and they're continually & historically disrespected as a result of it. Our best player is a rookie, and the team's a collection of misfits & 2nd string players. For the most part, that's what the Jazz have been since the end of the Stockton-Malone era However, they're possibly the hardest-working team in the League (along with possibly the 76ers), and they're a better team than their record suggests. Would be nice if they were ever respected as a worthy opponent in these Playoffs by the media.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on May 03, 2018, 08:01:39 PM
Toronto is a joke.


EDIT: It somehow got worse. This team needs to be blown up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 03, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
Really, Toronto? -_-

(https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-01-2015/N_mzwM.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2018, 08:24:09 PM
I was listening to ESPN’s Hoop Collective podcast maybe last week, and one of them picked the Cavaliers over the Raptors because he didn’t think the Raptors could win a series if LeBron walks in the building. Well...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on May 03, 2018, 08:36:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcUBFI7X4AA1Oeq.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2018, 12:10:09 AM
I was listening to ESPN’s Hoop Collective podcast maybe last week, and one of them picked the Cavaliers over the Raptors because he didn’t think the Raptors could win a series if LeBron walks in the building. Well...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcUBFI7X4AA1Oeq.jpg)

fitting......

Raptors are fucking FRAUDS. #1 seed in the East, can't even protect their home court with a lead. SMFH. no one expects them to win, but as the #1 seed, at least make it a damn series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 04, 2018, 09:00:00 PM
*snort*

...really? The Pelicans' home court is called the "Smoothie King Center"? Man, and I thought the Pelicans couldn't get any more lame.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2018, 10:20:42 PM
This game is embarrassing.

Protect home court, Jazz. Plz.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 04, 2018, 10:26:39 PM
Well, good on the Pelicans for getting one, because they looked terrible in Games 1 & 2. It looks like Raptors-Cavs will be the only sweep this round.

Well...this is painful. The Jazz look totally out of sync.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2018, 12:26:39 AM
What. The. ****. Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2018, 10:33:42 AM
I shut the Dubs game off 3-4 minutes into the 3rd quarter. Decided it was better to just watch score updates than kill my phone battery to watch a livestream (I wasn't at home). It was apparent the Warriors not only weren't going to win, but didn't really seem to care all that much. I figured the Pels would win one anyway, I was just hoping it was game 4 instead of game 3.

and I didn't even bother on the Houston Utah game. saw the opening score of something like 20 to 7 Rockets, and knew the game was a BLOW OUT.

Hopefully the Jazz find balance in game 4.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2018, 10:56:07 PM
I'm out of gifs of the Raptors mascot face-planting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 05, 2018, 11:04:19 PM
Do you have any of the Sixers mascot?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 05, 2018, 11:49:13 PM
Do you have any of the Sixers mascot?

I'm afraid the best I can get out of Franklin is a shrug, which seems to sum up the Sixers' approach to this series.

(https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/cd0ymzcznguwzdbhnduynddiytjhm2yyzthlmtjjotqwyyznptaxmdg5odrkmgu4ndziymjmzwyxmda0mwq4zduwmdix.jpeg?w=610&h=343&crop=1)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2018, 11:54:30 AM
The Sixers did everything they could last night to lose that game... and they succeeded. Good thing they dropped all that confetti.

Has Embiid said anything about their successful loss yet?
#TheProcess... is this all part of it?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2018, 09:20:43 PM
Dubs put a smackdown on the Pels this afternoon like I knew they would.
Kerr started the Hamptons 5 (aka the new Death Lineup) for the first time ever
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DciTSePX0AMv0KL.jpg)
expected result: Pels getting their teeth kicked in with both feet....
actual result: success


Time to finish this up in Oakland on Tuesday. ;)

Jazz v Rockets.....
Hopefully the Jazz can bounce back in the 2nd half. they need to even this series up and buy more time for Rubio to come back so they have a full squad to compete with.


Oh, and I found this vid regarding Cavs v Raps yesterday. LOL
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bib1N3pFZuJ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bib1N3pFZuJ/)



and believe it or not, but the Sixers have been the favorites in every single game against the Celtics.... Someone in Vegas making money on these underdog Celtics right now. Sixers are favorites for game 4 as well. I think it was -16.5.
Will the Sixers not only get one, but then be able to pull off the first ever end series sweep?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 06, 2018, 09:46:06 PM
*sigh*

Well, best we can do without Rubio, I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 06, 2018, 11:33:32 PM
They had my sword, especially when they got it down to a 5 point game... twice I think.

The Jazz just didn't have enough to win though. All the opportunities to win, but just not enough scoring power to take advantage. Rubio better play next game, even if he's only 75%, because it's win or go home for them on Tuesday.


edit:


but this is what we all waiting on anyway. The Real NBA Finals
(https://i.imgur.com/6i2bOvk.png)

and then the fourpeat match-up which will now be a post credits series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2018, 01:10:07 AM
At some point, Jazz fans have to just appreciate the effort & hope for a better future. We were already short-handed with the loss of Rubio, and now it looks like we've lost Dante Exum as well for the rest of the series.

We were already short-handed & outgunned before this series began. We made the playoffs despite losing Hayward at the start of the season & Golbert for most of the season, and we beat the Thunder when that was thought unlikely.  So long as Houston has to work for their victory, we can end this series & this season satisfied. We weren't punted right out of the playoffs like the Raptors and Sixers will be. We'll be back next year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2018, 08:39:35 PM
Huh. The Sixer's won a game. I guess Toronto will just be the sole loser this round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2018, 09:04:44 PM
I hear Lebron bought the entire Lebronto squad new matching suits for after the game. it will be waiting for them in the visitors locker room after the game. Purple and Green is the theme, and it will literally be the only thing they have to wear out of the building.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 07, 2018, 11:00:14 PM
Raptors fan: Stop, stop! They’re already dead!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2018, 11:04:50 PM
So it's confirmed now that the Jazz will be without both their starting PG (Rubio) & their backup PG (Exum) for Game 5. Between that & the Refs calling fouls on Jazz players when Harden hits them in the face with the ball, we just can't catch a break.

Can we just...you know...revoke the Raptors' right to be an NBA team? Nothing but a legacy of failure, even in the continually weak Eastern Conference. And lord knows they've had more than enough chances.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2018, 01:20:24 AM
No Rubio for game 5?

D. Mitchell better go Black Suit Spider-man for the next 3 games ;)

and I agree, the Raptors should be extinct. But the punishment for not forfeiting their right to be an NBA team, they have to open every pre-season game to Barney Music, and he unofficially becomes the team mascot. Oh, and they have to change their name and logo accordingly for at least 1 alt uniform that must be worn no less than 10 home and 10 away games, and that includes every game vs the Cavs or whoever Lebron is playing for next season.

But I'm really hoping Embiid and the Sixers can really give it to the Celtics in the next game. This series need to go to 6 or 7. Sixers are too good to go down 1 and done vs a "depleted" Celtics team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 08, 2018, 10:03:47 PM
Aaaannnnd there goes Donovan Mitchell out of the game, injured. And he was having an amazing night. We just can't win.

Well, I said we'd be happy if the Jazz made the Rockets earn this win, and they did. It took the Rockets 4 quarters & the injury of our star player to take us down. Great effort.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2018, 02:27:19 AM
I had to catch an Lyft right after the steal from Donovan by Harden... little did I know that was the play that injured him, and he was the ONLY reason the Jazz were in the game still.  Something like a 20 to 6 run  at some point and he out scored the Rockets 22 to 21 by HIMSELF in the 3rd quarter.

He just might be an amazing player in the next few years. If he didn't go down, Jazz had a legitimate chance at extending this series at least 1 more game.

But we would have only been extending the enevitable, and it's time to just get to the MAIN EVEN. Warriors vs Rockets.
We knew it was coming since about 6 months ago. And we know whoever wins the WCF will be the ultimate winner in the end (so long as it's the Dubs.... no faith in the Rockets to shut down the Cavs). The East has looked quite unworthy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2018, 10:21:22 AM
Rockets vs Warriors should be a good series. I admittedly backed the Jazz because I didn’t want Chris Paul to get to the Conference Finals. I don’t even dislike Paul or anything; I just wanted to see how long the no-CP-in-CF thing could go. It was a good run.
(https://i.imgur.com/JpfJUHE.gif)

Unless the Sixers pull off a miracle, looks like I’m getting behind the Warriors from here on out. After this, I’ll probably be burned out on watching the Warriors dominate.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Lets hope for a Warriors sweep of the Rockets.

Nothing more fitting for CP3 than to finally make it to the WCF and then get swept and sent home again.

and I'm rooting for Philly too, but as long as whichever team wins, they BRING IT to Lebron.
None of that pathetic display basketball that the Raps brought to the semi-finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
I'd love to see Philly come back, but that team has quite the future ahead of them.  They'll get their ring(s).

I would absolutely love to see LeBron win it all this year. The internet would be ablaze for weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2018, 11:29:53 PM
I thought the Sixers almost had it there up four with like a minute and a half left. Oh well.

Go Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2018, 01:44:19 AM
Sixers were just too green. Too many stupid turnovers. They gonna be a good team next year too tho. So 2nd round into the playoffs after running #TheProcess for the last however many years, I think they were a success.

But Yes, Warriors in 4, then Warriors in 4 again.
Back2Back
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2018, 01:48:01 PM
Kawhi Leonard was spotted at a Dodgers game after not even bothering to join the Spurs on the bench during the playoffs. Magic Johnson is part-owner of the Dodgers and president of basketball operations for the Lakers.

At least try to be a little less transparent, guys.

Jeanie Buss better start writing another tampering check to the NBA.........
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 06:38:23 PM
So the Cavs thought they were gonna come into Boston and and sleep walk over this young team...
Lebron and the Cavs ended up getting their teeth kicked in with both Boston Feet, and never recovered.

I'm still not sure if I want my Warriors playing this squad. LOL
they just continue to march on with or without a general. Gonna have to call the the Boston White Walkers.
Hopefully the away team can do much better tomorrow. Walk into Houston and steal 2 games ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2018, 09:17:52 PM
I really wish other teams had gotten into the Final 4. At this point, it's all teams that have won NBA Championships before, especially the Cavs & Celtics. Kind of boring at this point, though by the old code I suppose I have to support the Rockets since they're the team that beat my team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 09:34:44 PM
You really want to see Harden and CP3 chip?

I tried to get excited for how good the Rockets were this season, and followed them to see how much of a threat they are, but I just can't stand watching Harden play baiting for BS fouls, and CP3 flop for calls. And the worst part about it is that Harden does it so effortlessly and obviously, yet the refs still call it. Every. Fucking. Time.
I want them to get swept at home, and then finished off in Oakland. and not just because I'm a Warrior fan, but because I despise Harden's game. I'd root for whoever was against him.

Watching him sit down on the court and give up while the game was still going against the Spurs last year was great. I want to see it happen again. We got great strip clubs in SF too Harden, I'l show you where to party this year when you come visit. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2018, 09:39:57 PM
You really want to see Harden and CP3 chip?

Hell no. I hate that stupid beard (and his tendency to fake Superstar fouls) & I've disliked Chris Paul since the Deron Williams days. I've never liked the Cavs, and I like the Celtics even less than usual because of  Hayward.

At the same time, though, I just can't get excited over the Warriors. From what little I've seen, there's not all that much difference between them & the Rockets. I'm sure they're a fine team, but they just don't interest me. Plus, California gets enough Championships, thanks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2018, 09:54:52 PM
Better Cali to get one more than let the Rockets have ANYTHING at all. LOL
Warriors have lucked themselves into one of (if not) the best teams in NBA history. This may never happen again. It's best we all just sit back and enjoy it while we got it. Literal Game Changing team here (and that was before Durant...  Durant just broke the NBA by adding himself) that plays to win on both ends of the court.

We can hope for a Dubs Celts matchup. I'm ok with Lebrons streak being broken.
But I think the Cavs would be the more predictable and therefore easier matchup.
Brad Stevens is doing way too much over there in Boston. LOL

and I feel like if the Celts made the Finals, suddenly Kyrie would be feeling better by game 4. Possibly even Hayward by game 6 (assuming it made it that far). Could be exciting from a fan perspective
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: segagamersteph on May 14, 2018, 06:46:14 PM
The Celtics are still going, that's all that matters for me right now. Just hope they can sweep the Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
This is the only series I’m actually supporting the Cavs. I’ve been conditioned to dislike the Celtics. I fell off the NBA wagon in the late 90s, just tuning in every once in a while. I was sick of seeing the Lakers on TV and winning all the time. Weirdly, I didn’t get back into it until the Lakers and Celtics met in the Finals in 2008. If you’re even a casual basketball fan, you pay attention to Lakers vs. Celtics. I picked the Lakers because my dumb cousin used to be obnoxiously into Larry Bird’s Celtics (who almost always beat the Sixers back then). The Lakers lost that Finals and I was like, “Well, I guess I’ll follow the Lakers now.” That’s literally the only reason I’m a Lakers fan. I know it’s silly. It’s just as arbitrary as everyone else’s fandom.

Still, I’m supporting the Warriors to win it all this year because every other choice is.......... not great. Golden State is the only team I can’t find something I dislike besides maybe Draymond Green’s antics. How can anyone not like the Warrior’s system? After this year, I just want to see some other team in the West eliminate the Warriors. I don’t like any team winning all the time, even teams I like. That’s boring. I follow certain teams, but I’m more of a basketball fan in general. I want competitive play in most cases.

Not Warriors vs Rockets though. I want a sweep, four straight blowouts. I don’t hate the Rockets, but something about them just rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2018, 08:34:06 PM
::HIGH FIVE::
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2018, 11:31:05 PM
Yes, all according to plan.
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Post by: segagamersteph on May 14, 2018, 11:51:50 PM
I can see that Adrock. Me, I am not that complicated. I am a Bulls fan through and through. Once they are out, I revert to hating any team from the Midwest that isn't the Bulls. Right now that's the Cavs. I want it to come down to West coast versus East coast, for that to happen it has to be Celtics vs. Golden State. Plus, Stever Kerr played for my beloved Bulls and he needs a few rings as coach to round out the career.

Plus obligatory down with Lebron comment here.

Edit: That game tonight was a blast to watch though.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2018, 12:39:20 AM
My Warriors came out and did what they had to do.

Dray took a T early on to let Harden know we wasn't playing none of that bullshit tonight.
....honestly, I don't know why he did it. But as long as he didn't get himself ejected... or kick anyone in the nuts, I'll let it slide, for now.

and of all people, CP3 turned to Durant and said "Shut up and play ball"... well, shut it down CP3.
edit: and then CP3 pulled a cheap shot.... (https://twitter.com/World_Wide_Wob/status/996209790396305408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23996209790396305408)
Take the L, quiet the crowd, and just be happy you made it this far. LOL
It's not over yet, but we feeling good about taking Game 1.

I still got a bone to pick with Kerr and his questionable at time coaching. Why did he pull Durant, who was killing the Rockets, at the end of the 3rd quarter, when we had our foot on their throat, and still steadily apply pressure. We were up 15 with about little less than 2 minutes left in the 3rd.
LET.US.CRUSH.THIER.SPIRITS. it's what we do in the 3rd. Durant could've rested the beginning of the fourth. Kerr ends up bringing him back in for the final minute as the Rockets miraculously bring it back down to 5. Never should have happened. You snuff out that flame when you have a chance. Harden and CP3 can't handle the pressure, we all know this. Don't let them think they still have a chance. Shut it down when the opportunity presents its self.

As Chuck said. "Warriors in 3"
LMAO
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2018, 12:20:03 AM
HAHAHAHAHA Celtics going to the finals.

Lebron is leaving Cleveland sometime during the halftime break in Cleveland on Saturday.
Destination: TBD (Philly? LA? MIL? HOU? TOR? UTAH? NY? LOL?)

I thought Bron was gonna hoist the entire team on his back and carry them to the W, but Taytum gave Lebron that shoulder to the chops.... and the will to carry them all dissipated quickly.

But damn was this a BORING ASS game. I had to multi-task. Both teams were not entertaining on the offensive end. There were a few good plays here, and a few good plays there, but it was like barren desert inbetween.

oh, and
**** YOU JR ::clap, clap, clap clap clap::
**** YOU JR ::clap, clap, clap clap clap::

"I think they said Forget You JR" LOL @ the live broadcast radio edit

I thought they were gonna issue a Flagrant 2 for that shove to the back, I wonder if they upgrade it post-game. But I don't know if Lebron wants to use his 1 post-season wish just yet to save JR instead of using it to possibly eliminate an opponent teammate instead.
I'm damn sure he's already called in for the Ref Assist® for game 3 & 4. Gotta push this to 6 games minimum.
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Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2018, 09:21:31 AM
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cavs got the Ref Assist for the rest of the series. The league knows the Cavs with Lebron are more valuable in the Finals than the Celtics without Kylie Irving. Then again, neither team is going to give the Warriors a decent run. At least there’s a somewhat rivalry with revisiting Warriors vs Cavs for the 37th time. The Finals are going to be a LOL-fail this year.

Anyway, Suns got the top pick and the Kings get the second that I’m sure it will somehow botch. Despite the nice payday, I feel really bad for whoever gets picked by the Kings. It’s so important for a player’s development to be in a situation where they can succeed. Michael Jordan was able to lead the Bulls instead of playing behind Clyde Drexler. Even last year, Donovan Mitchell was drafted 13th then traded to like the one team and system that made him the first option. Put Mitchell in just about any other situation, and who knows if he breaks out the same way?
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Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Yeah...as much as I loved Jerry Sloan, the guy was notorious for taking talented rookies & sticking them on the bench for a year or sending them to the D-League so they could "learn how to play in the NBA." I sometimes wonder how much further them team could have gotten if Deron Williams was allowed to play more in his 1st season, etc.
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Post by: Soren on May 16, 2018, 08:51:03 PM
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cavs got the Ref Assist for the rest of the series. The league knows the Cavs with Lebron are more valuable in the Finals than the Celtics without Kylie Irving. Then again, neither team is going to give the Warriors a decent run. At least there’s a somewhat rivalry with revisiting Warriors vs Cavs for the 37th time. The Finals are going to be a LOL-fail this year.


I totally disagree. The Celtics present at least half decent matchup against the Warriors. The NBA is crazy if they think Lebron and 14 rotting corpses makes for a more entertaining series than a Celtics/Warriors series.
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Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2018, 08:59:05 PM
I said “more valuable” not “more entertaining.” LeBron will make the NBA more money and higher ratings than a Celtics team with Irving on the bench.

The Celtics will put up a better fight than LeBron and the junior varsity team he’s running with, but they’re still getting wrecked by the Warriors.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 16, 2018, 10:41:40 PM
The top 2 picks in the draft going to the place that doesn't need them (the West) should prove that the NBA got out of the rigging game when Stern retired.
Lebron is leaving Cleveland sometime during the halftime break in Cleveland on Saturday.
Destination: TBD (Philly? LA? MIL? HOU? TOR? UTAH? NY? LOL?)
Lebron: "After realizing that I have more money than most nations and every state but California, I've decided to take my talents to League of Legends."
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2018, 11:12:24 PM
Warriors in 5?

Did they not feel like playing basketball tonight?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2018, 12:48:39 AM
apparently. They didn't bring the energy tonight. Klay was off. Curry was scurred. Durant wasn't interested in doing it all alone, and Dray just gave the **** up. LOL

We'll check them for 2 in Oakland. and then see if we can settle this in Houston.

Warriors have tied the NBA playoff record of 15 straight home game wins in a row. So I'm hoping we get a performance for game 3 to set that record of 16 straight home wins, followed up by some separation of 1 more in game 4.

Tonight was disappointing, but we did what we needed to do by winning at least 1 in Houston.
Any more than that was just icing on the cake, and boy did I want some icing. LOL.

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Post by: Soren on May 17, 2018, 12:57:49 AM
Curry doesn't look all there. It's obvious he's not 100% but some of those shots looked painful. Klay not hitting anything as well was a bummer.


That being said, PJ Tucker is not going 8/9 from the field and 5/6 from 3 again in this series. Neither is Eric Gordon going 6/9 from 3.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2018, 01:15:17 AM
They come to Oakland, and will hopefully be ran right back out the building. We will finish this in Houston.

Hopefully 3 days of rest allows Curry to get his **** together. We need Sky Fucker to return and the the Splash Bros. needs a sighting. It's been a while since they made it rain.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2018, 10:26:19 AM
It was WET as **** in Oracle tonight.

41pt BLOW-OUT for the rockets.
I'm not sure if that's the worst playoff loss in history, but I'm sure it's the biggest Warrior playoff beatdown delievered yet, probably even the largest Rocket playoff loss ever as well.

Dubs also set another NBA record with most consecutive Home Playoff Wins tonight.


Here's to 2 more great performances form Chef Curry against the Rockets, and then 4 more for the victory lap against whomever comes out of the East.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2018, 11:48:32 AM
Well.... Cav v Celts was another hard to watch game.
Between pace, execution and general play style, this just is not an exciting series for me.

Boston couldn't make ****, the Cavs are not good, the Celts just play even worse
It's all bad when you get your shot blocked twice by Kyle Korver, it's worse when you miss 2-5 dunks.... most of which were not contested at the rim. It is completely UNACCEPTABLE when you get the ball and then have to be TOLD what to do with it... wide open, 5 feet from the hoop with no one between you and the bucket..... SMMFH

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1PgB9XHlgcEI1Y0eZj/giphy.gif)

Refs made a few bad calls both ways, more so killing any momentum the Celtics would start to get, but Celtics were just bad in this game. This was not on the Refs at all.

If the Celtics don't continue to win this at home, series over. Their road game has been terrible.
Almost like 2 different teams.

Oh well, hopefully we get back to Basketball perfection tonight with a fast paced, well executed on both ends of the court, extra HYPED Warriors v Rockets game.

Hopefully Steph shows up again, along with Klay and Durant.
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Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
Dude, it’s curtains for the East and pretty much has been all season. Both the Cavaliers and Celtics struggle on the road. Bring that weak **** into Oracle arena and you’ll get laughed out of the building.

The Conference Finals this year have been awful. They’re mostly blowouts. If the Rockets lose tonight, the series is unofficially over. It’s like watching someone light a fire in a garbage can then throw it into a larger flaming garbage can. I should be leaving Deadpool 2 around the second quarter. I’ll check the score, but I don’t think I’m even going to watch the game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2018, 01:06:15 AM
Well.... that happened.

Somehow the Dubs started the game 12-0 (shoulda been 20-0) and then fell behind 10 just before the half, only to have a 20pt swing to be back up by 10 in the 3rd, only to lose by 3 in the end...

It was finally a game people wanted to watch, no blowout regarless of how bad it started for the away team. Durant was off. Klay got hurt... a little. Draymond was not good. Livingston was bad, Looney had moments, and Curry didn't make miracles happen in moments we needed them in the 4th. Oh, and Kerr.... for some reason didn't call a time out to run a play for the final 48 seconds of the game down by 3. Quick 2 for 1 to get either down by 1 or tie the game up. We were all shocked that he let the clock play.

It's all good. I still believe the Dubs will just bring it in Houston. Vegas got what it wanted. People made their money, so now it's time to end this ****. Warriors in 6 @ Home.
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Post by: Soren on May 24, 2018, 12:46:36 AM
Can we talk about how utterly stupid the conference finals schedule is? Teams got 3 days off between games 2 and 3 but now are expected to play up to 5 games every other night, including travel. Today's CLE/BOS game was really ugly.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2018, 01:48:34 AM
no one can figure out what the plan was... something about ensuring there was a game on Sunday and Monday or something. Buy who really knows.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2018, 11:09:48 AM
You'd think they've been doing this long enough to know better, but I guess not.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
You'd think they've been doing this long enough to know better, but I guess not.

From what I heard, the reasoning for the schedule had a lot to do with Advertising Money from the broadcaster (ESPN?) that paid (a lot of $$) to air the games. So they had to make sure that Sunday and Monday were covered for potential close-out games, as those are 2 of the highest rating days for the week.

Sounds logical to me, but still makes the schedule looked fucked up, especially considering how both series have turned out so far. but hindsight is 20/20
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Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2018, 03:48:30 PM
I'm surprised those are the highest days for ratings, but I guess I just don't know what distinguishes those two days.  I know the NFL owns them for a chunk of the year, so maybe people are used to their sports fix on those days.  Could be regularly scheduled TV to compete with as well?  I dunno.
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Post by: Shaymin on May 24, 2018, 08:00:24 PM
Not at this time of year - most shows go into summer reruns around now.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2018, 09:02:26 PM
That other poster would've known that.  Too bad I killed him.
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Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
Not looking great for the Warriors.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2018, 12:05:49 AM
I think Durant had money on the Rockets tonight. and offered to cut Draymond in sometime during the 1st quarter if he helped him out.

Durant with the TERRIBLE ISO for the entire 1st and 2nd quarter WOULD NOT PASS THE BALL... just terrible forced shot after terrible forced shot. He literally started the game in OKC Panic Mode Hero Ball ISO and it was not working.

KD missed as many shots tonight as Curry took total (14). There is something wrong with that picture. He was rushing shots, passing up WIDE OPEN teammates to throw up a quick brick. If he didn't have money on the game, then someone kidnapped his niece or something. Killed our offense for the 1st 2 Qtrs of the game. The entire reason we weren't up by double digits by halftime was because of KD (other players were't quite up to Par, but KD dominating the wasted possession game killed out offensive flow, no one was allowed to get it going watching KD turn the ball over or take a terrible shot).
I been yelling at the TV almost all damn game.
and Klay and his 4 airballs in the last 2 games... smfh. 1 of them was a layup bruh.

Draymond is making Shaqtin, Bleacher Report will probably roast him better, harder, and first with the post game edits on IG tho.

Dubs SEVERELY disappointing right now. 2 sub 100 games in a row.
But atleast we getting the exciting close down to the wire games everyone wanted.
ECF has been soooooo damn boring.
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2018, 03:19:13 PM
Chris Paul is out for Game 6. I’d be shocked if he was available for Game 7.

The Warriors should win this series.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 25, 2018, 03:29:50 PM
We'll take it. (Not a guaranteed win yet.... Kerr was about to unleash Zaza tho :P)

We should have won the last last 2 games, but damn, between Houston turning up the D, and dumb ass turnovers by the Dubs (Not to mention the KD iso failures) it's like we're trying to make this hard on ourselves.

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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2018, 11:53:46 PM
Kyle Korver won a jump ball. What is this sorcery?

I have doubts the Cavs can win Game 7 in Boston. There’s only so much LeBron can do. Someone else will have to step up on the road. Anyone? Bueller?
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Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
Kevin Love ruled out for Game 7 due to concussion protocol.

I really can’t stand the idea of a Rockets vs. Celtics Finals. I’m really hoping the Warriors can pull off two straight wins.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2018, 05:36:17 PM
Kevin Love ruled out for Game 7 due to concussion protocol.

I really can’t stand the idea of a Rockets vs. Celtics Finals. I’m really hoping the Warriors can pull off two straight wins.

Hamptons 5 says "We Got This"
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Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2018, 11:21:09 PM
‘Twas getting a bit dicey there in the first half and at halftime. The Warriors have been showing up in the third quarter. They need to stop falling behind early. It won’t always be easy to turn it on and make a run.
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Post by: Soren on May 27, 2018, 12:29:01 AM
Warriors came out looking really bad at the start. They can't afford to do that in Houston. The second half was extremely therapeutic to see Curry and Klay let loose. And seeing McCaw, even in garbage time, was very uplifting. He's probably not going to play meaningful minutes the rest of the playoffs but it was great to see him. And it's been good seeing Jordan Bell step up and contribute even a little when it matters.

Houston will not win this series without Chris Paul. Their 7 man rotation got pushed to 6 + the corpse of Mbah a Moute and it showed in the second half when they needed more than normal from Gordon/Green/Ariza and they gave them nothing.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2018, 02:17:09 AM
Almost guarantee CP3 ain't playing game 7, no matter how much he wants to. A hamstring strain isn't exactly a 4 day injury. More like a 7-10 day one at minimum. Even if he forces himself to play game 7, he won't be himself, 65% at best.

Dubs should have won the last 2 games they lost, but for reasons.... decided to play like absolutely garbage, and in the last game, even decided to play nothing like recent Warrior ball. Not sure what they were doing.

Game 7 is gonna be HYPE AF tho, but I think we know who's gonna win.

the real question is who gonna win tomorrow between Celtics and Cavs.
Personally I think Celtics, but Lebron gonna carry those fools to the first close game of the series. It could go either way.

Regardless, assuming Dubs win on Monday, They take the finals in 5 games (or less).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2018, 07:21:04 AM
re: last nights game, I think this says it all.

(https://i.imgur.com/6qhjZ1b.png)
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Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2018, 11:00:40 PM
Wow, Celtics. That was embarrassing.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 27, 2018, 11:34:56 PM
LEBRON!!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/nONdjT6.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2018, 02:05:56 AM
#TRUTH

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeQM0GiV0AER3EZ.jpg)

tomorrows game gonna be LIT AF

we could have a 4 peat Finals Appearance. And I think it will be the 1st time in NBA history (Cavs) that a team meets all the same exact teams in the post season, regardless of order, 2 seasons in a row.

HAHAHA LMAO.
https://twitter.com/White_Mamba88/status/1000957690934259714

Lebron last night. LOL
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2018, 10:07:43 PM
The Warriors are not playing like this is an elimination game though it reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons when Homer was a boxer, and he just waits until the opponent gets tired then beats them easily. Right now, they’re down by 11 at halftime and have made a habit of strong third quarter runs. It’s frustrating to watch because you never know if they just don’t have it in them to turn it on.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2018, 10:39:31 PM
We just need a lead....

Scott Foster is on the case though. LOL
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2018, 10:42:44 PM
And they’re up by three now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2018, 10:50:17 PM
7 now.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2018, 11:00:04 PM
Pretty much safe to go to bed now.
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Post by: broodwars on May 28, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
Oh joy...Cavs & Warriors. Again. And here I didn't think these playoffs could get any more boring or predictable.
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Post by: ShyGuy on May 28, 2018, 11:46:46 PM
Curry and Lebron should have a exhibition boxing match at center court to make things interesting.
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Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2018, 12:38:26 AM
Oh joy...Cavs & Warriors. Again. And here I didn't think these playoffs could get any more boring or predictable.
I’m not thrilled because this series is going to be a waste of time. It is interesting how we got here. The Warriors tripped into the best case scenario by having the NBA intervene in the Finals and pluck a series away from them on the same year the salary cap exploded and Kevin Durant was a free agent and tired of Russell Westbrook.

And the East... what is there to even say about that conference? No one could build a team capable of beating LeBron James and the cardboard cutouts the NBA somehow allowed on the floor. It sucks seeing Warriors vs Cavs for the infinityth time. Then again, 28 other teams have failed to put together a better product so here we are.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2018, 02:04:43 AM
The Pacers and the Celtics both had an excellent chance at taking the East away from Lebron.
Had Kyrie been available, we would have gotten the East match-up we were hoping for ALL DAMN SEASON LONG, but nope....

Dubs in 4.
5 for the gentlemans sweep, should Silver request it.
But just like the match up for the finals, we all know the outcome already. I hope we don't see no extra BS on behalf of the league to just let this be what it is and what we all expect it to be.
There is a reason Lebron has been extremely humble on his comments towards making it this far. Even he knows what's coming next. his team is absolute trash, and no one can really dispute that. It's by the grace of the basketball gods that he made it to the finals again this year.

Also, this moment from tonights game is HILARIOUS. Draymond is a damn fool LOL
https://twitter.com/JKKkdk1/status/1001293012998262789
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Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2018, 08:35:24 AM
Excellent chances but still didn’t get it done.

I can’t get behind the whole if-Team-A-had-Player B-Team-A-would-have-won explanation. Eric Gordon brought that trash last night. “If we had Chris, if he was out there, we'd have been playing on Thursday. It's just tough.” Well, he wasn’t out there and your team was up by double digits at halftime without him then you all marched out of the locker room in the second half and laid an egg.

There’s no reason the Cavs should be in the Finals this year yet here we are. This is curtains for The Cavs. No way LeBron stays. Ideally, he signs with a team in the East, but no team makes sense for him. If The Cavs can work out a sign and trade, I think the Spurs, with or without Kawhi would be a good landing spot.
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Post by: Soren on May 29, 2018, 09:36:52 AM
0 for 27 did them in. I did not watch the game because I knew I was going to rage the moment the Warriors went behind by 10.


These Finals are going to suck but again, watching my favorite team win a championship takes precedent. I honestly think we're near the end of this historic run so I have to enjoy the good times while they last.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2018, 12:02:53 PM
I can’t get behind the whole if-Team-A-had-Player B-Team-A-would-have-won explanation. Eric Gordon brought that trash last night. “If we had Chris, if he was out there, we'd have been playing on Thursday. It's just tough.” Well, he wasn’t out there and your team was up by double digits at halftime without him then you all marched out of the locker room in the second half and laid an egg.

What this argument ignores is that if Iggy wasn't hurt in game 4, would there have been a game 6? certainly not a game 7. CP3 injury probably never would've happened because the series would have already been over. LOL


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There’s no reason the Cavs should be in the Finals this year yet here we are. This is curtains for The Cavs. No way LeBron stays. Ideally, he signs with a team in the East, but no team makes sense for him. If The Cavs can work out a sign and trade, I think the Spurs, with or without Kawhi would be a good landing spot.

Bron goin to Philly. that's where I slid my chips already. It's the best landing spot in the East assuming CLE doesn't work miracles in the off season and somehow get PG13 or Kawhii (neither are likely or even possible, but just for arguments sake)

I doubt he stays in CLE regardless of how these finals play out. And I don't see him going West. He's got it too good in the East, and he would only have to face the Celtics in the East to get to the finals next year.
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Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2018, 01:18:58 PM
If LeBron James stays in the East, Philadelphia is his best option. Still, there are reasons it doesn’t make sense for the Sixers. Take the ball out away from Ben Simmons and potentially stunt his growth? Maybe LeBron James is worth risking Ben Simmons’ future. If you can get a talent like James, you take it, 100 times out of 100. Still, as a Sixers fan, I’m a little weary of the long-term repercussions. Right now, they’re like 2010 Thunder. Once today’s top teams like the Warriors fade, the Sixers are poised to be the next great team.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2018, 01:32:24 PM
I don't like the Sixers as a landing spot for the reasons Adrock said.  I think he's more likely to hang it up this year than go to Philly.  There's really no great landing spot for him unless he can conspire with CP3 and Paul George, but that's incredibly unlikely.  He could stay with the Cavs, but the moves they'd have to make are insane.
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Post by: broodwars on May 29, 2018, 02:28:15 PM
Maybe he could go to Toronto.  :P

And speaking of "what its", had the Jazz had Rubio & Donovan Mitchell (Game 5), we possibly could have won that series. We had a winning record against the Warriors this year, even with Curry in a few games. Hey, you never know.

Also, had the Rockets had Chris Paul, they'd have won Game 6 against the Warriors.

Instead, we have the Warriors vs. Lebron for the 4th straight time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2018, 10:24:05 PM
After hearing all the ridiculous commentary on the radio today about Lebron and his greatest achievement. I thought it was funny to come home and see this as the place I paused a youtube video from this morning before I left for work. LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/eHrI1Wn.jpg)

The look SAS's face is basically the look you have to give for the ridiculous question being asked at the bottom.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on May 29, 2018, 10:29:13 PM
Prediction: King James stays in the LAND after winning the championship
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
Prediction: King James stays in the LAND after winning the championship

Winning the ECF Championship is enough to make him stay?
He can do that from almost any competitive team in the East tho :P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 29, 2018, 11:42:53 PM
Leading this Cavs team to the Finals may not be Lebron’s greatest accomplishment, but it’s among the highest in difficulty. I feel like a lot of people are downplaying just how bad this team is. LeBron didn’t have Kevin Love for most of Game 6 and all of Game 7.

After that delicious public diss of Dan Gilbert, I don’t see how LeBron returns to this team. Beyond Gilbert, they have no cap space and no reasonable way to improve the team. They have the Nets pick which isn’t getting them past a fully loaded Celtics next year. LeBron has what, two, maybe three more years of elite play left. I don’t think he wants to be the first option anymore. It’s exhausting to carry a subpar team especially at 33. LeBron wants the ball in his hands, but he wants to be more like Magic Johnson in that he’s finding guys good looks. No way he wastes away in Cleveland.

And to clarify, I’m not one of those Lakers fans who hates LeBron James. Again, if you can get that kind of talent, you take it and figure out the rest later. Still, he doesn’t make sense on the Lakers (even with Paul George) for the same reasons he doesn’t make sense on the Sixers. Best case scenario is a sign and trade to a team on the same timeline he’s on.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2018, 12:25:27 AM
Lebron to the Sixers.

Looks like the Sixers are about to fire their GM Colangelo for some shady twitter deeds.
Room for a Lebron and possibly his favorite GM in Philly!? could be tempting. You know Bron likes to take care of his guys.

And not to discredit Lebron's efforts of literally dragging this team, kicking and screaming, to an NBA finals, but seriously.... the East is pretty damn weak. That team woudln't have made it out the 1st round in the West. Probably not even out the 1st in a 1-16 Bracket. Lebron literally WILLED this team to the finals. Too bad that won't win him a ring... not this year at least
Now if Lebron manages to make this a series.... well, then you pair that with getting this team here, and then you might have a point to argue for greatest achievement
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 30, 2018, 12:38:56 AM
NFL safety Damarious Randall, who is a Warriors fan and was recently traded to the Cleveland Browns, has been talking a bit of trash with his new fan base, and it escalated to the point that he offered to buy a jersey for everyone who retweeted one of his posts (currently upwards of 500,000 people) should the Cavs pull the upset and win this series. Now, he may be in the NFL, but he's still on his rookie deal, and the $1.5 million he's slated to make this season wouldn't come anywhere close to covering that, so this is giving me, a Browns fan who doesn't really follow the NBA, a reason to pay attention to this series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on May 30, 2018, 12:41:58 AM
Start a GoFundme and buy Chinese knockoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2018, 12:50:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYI37xPm8Mg

Perfect
half the universe obviously being the Eastern Conference
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Shaymin on May 30, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
I was going to say Game 7 was like E3 2013 where every missed Houston 3 was Microsoft saying "TV" at the reveal, but I suppose that works.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on May 31, 2018, 10:15:39 PM
All tied up!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on May 31, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dek2LFGWAAAapAs.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on May 31, 2018, 11:51:52 PM
What even was that at the end of regulation? George Hill misses a go ahead free throw because he’s weak, his bloodline is weak, and he will not survive the winter. Then, J.R. Smith gets the offensive rebound three feet away from the basket, doesn’t pass to a wide open LeBron James, and dribbles out to the three point line because reasons. Did he like not know the score or time left in the game?

That was hella sloppy, Warriors. They’re pretty lucky LeBron James is playing with Kevin Love and a bunch of holograms.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on May 31, 2018, 11:57:02 PM
Somebody is going to get their teeth knocked out by the end of this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on May 31, 2018, 11:57:48 PM
Durant played terribly and got bailed out by that replay. This team has pissed me off so much this year. I don't even feel good after this win. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2018, 01:03:13 AM
This game NEVER should have been this close. the Cavs could barely break 95 against the Celtics... we know we are better defensively, but we didn't put the clamps on them like we should have.

Lucky for the Cavs, Lebron went for 50+ tonight to just barely lose.
OT was the Warriors lucky break here. Hopefully they come out to win in game 2-4 and not play games thinking they "got this".


edit: I just rewatched the end of the regulation again. Lebron was SOOO PISSED at JR. LOL
I feel like that was probably the 1 chance they had to steal one in Oakland. I don't think Dubs gonna let Lebron go for 51 again. No none else on the Cavs are close to good enough to fill in that gap though.


edit2:
also just rewatched the end of OT.... smh
TT got that flagrant 2.... EJECTED and then hit Dray in the face with both the ball and his hand... smdh possibly suspended for game 2.
but it gets worse. K.Love walked onto the floor... leaving the bench during the skirmish. He could be suspended for Game 2 as well. smmfh Cavs are royally fucked for game 2 in Oakland.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/01/nba-finals-could-tristan-thompson-suspended-game-1-skirmish/662604002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2018/06/01/nba-finals-could-tristan-thompson-suspended-game-1-skirmish/662604002/)

But on a positive note, both JR and Javale are making #Shaqtinafool
- Javale with the uncontested, all alone under the hoop Rimjection of his dunk. LMAO. dumbass
(https://i.imgur.com/OkcdT6D.png)
- JR Smith with the rebound next to the rim with 3 seconds left in a tie game, dribbles out and realized they haven't won so tries to make a last second pass to the baseline corner 3 since he already missed an open LBJ at the top of the key for a game winning shot.

With a bonus Appearance for TT
- Getting a flagrant 2 ejection and possible next game suspension in the last 2.7 seconds of OT for a game you've already lost, and possibly getting K.Love suspended for next game as well because he had your back but you had to act a fool cause you mad you lost

and this is only Game 1 of the NBA Finals.
everyone thought this would be boring. The Rivalry is Real.
Even Lebron shoved Curry near the end, he and Curry were exchanging words, Klay got involved. TT was following them around like Lebrons pitbull... he was obviously looking to get into some ****, which is what led to the incident above. Gm2 gonna bit LIT AF too. just watch
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2018, 08:04:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gf7sRz6.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2018, 08:21:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gf7sRz6.png)

This link pairs perfectly with your pic. LMAO
https://deadspin.com/this-is-how-it-feels-when-youre-the-only-good-player-on-1826473906 (https://deadspin.com/this-is-how-it-feels-when-youre-the-only-good-player-on-1826473906)

edit:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2cq1nxk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DapMQY4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kn050qJ.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2018, 11:55:30 AM
WOW, that game.  I knew the Cavs wouldn't be able to cut it in OT.  Can't believe JR blew it.

As for the end of OT, the best you can say for TT is that it technically may not have been a punch?  But that's stretching it.  And then Kevin Love was close enough to the bench to be pulled back by an assistant coach, so maybe he can skirt by?  Otherwise, it's looking like a 40 point blowout in game 2.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2018, 12:20:05 PM
It would be a complete double standard but also entirely expected if Tristan Thompson and/or Kevin Love don’t get suspended given that bullshit the NBA pulled with Draymond Green in the 2016 Finals. Game 2 is a waste of time if the Cavs lose their second best player.

The ramifications of Smith’s foible would then have even greater ramifications. It wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the series because the Warriors are a much better team. This could be a straight up sweep instead of the Cavs taking home court advantage and not potentially losing two players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
I rewatched the K.Love thing.

He wandered on the court during the mess that was TT getting the Flagrant 2 Ejection, and an assistant quickly pulled him back to the bench as soon as TT started going at Dray.
I don't think they'll suspend that for him since he didn't come off the bench during the skirmish, but was already wandering on the court before it started.

Is it technically a rule violation....?
I don't know the exact wording, but if it's something like "not being in the game but being on the court when an altercation takes place" then... I guess the league gotta do what the league gotta do.

Cavs will be screwed in Gm2. Nance will get his chance to start though. Not sure who covers for Love. He's a rebounding machine and an outside threat. Also the only other Cav in double digits... w/ 21pts. Korver is too big of a defensive liability if his shot isn't immediately passing through the hoop

edit: There is no way TT doesn't get suspended for the next game.
He assaulted another player on the court with the ball and his "fist" to that players face AFTER being ejected for an aggressive Flagrant 2 on a shooter avoiding a 24 second violation at the end of the game.

If Dray could get suspended for a call that wasn't made after the game was over 2 years ago, then TT should absolutely be sidelined and shipped back to Clevelend early for what he did.
K. Love should be fine though.... I think.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2018, 01:29:37 PM
I still see Draymond's finals suspension as a make up for his non-suspension during the OKC series, but I see your point in the TT situation.

I feel really bad for LeBron.  Don't think he stays after the season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2018, 04:42:08 PM
I still see Draymond's finals suspension as a make up for his non-suspension during the OKC series, but I see your point in the TT situation.
The NBA shouldn’t get to make up for it though. Either suspend him when it’s appropriate or don’t. The action that got Draymond Green suspended didn’t make any sense, and LeBron James didn’t get any penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct when he stepped over Green. I get the idea that the NBA was trying to milk that series, but it puts a stain on the league. Letter of the law states you cannot leave the bench. Love was on the court when he shouldn’t have been and he kept walking towards the scuffle before an assistant coach pulled him back. The rule is silly, and it previously wrecked an entire series, but unless the NBA gets rid of it, I think it should be followed.

Anyway, Kevin Love is apparently not suspended according to an ESPN source. No word on Tristan Thompson yet.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 01, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
Quote
During an altercation, all players not participating in the game must remain in the immediate vicinity of their bench. Violators will be suspended, without pay, for a minimum of one game and fined up to $50,000.

He has to leave the "immediate vicinity" of the bench, which is loose enough to merit the no suspension.  Also, I saw someone pointed out that he was standing on the court when the shot went up, well before the altercation.

I'm glad they didn't suspend him.  Hopefully that makes Game 2 better than it would've been.  I like the "spirit" of the law being followed in this case since the point is to prevent full on brawls, and there's no way Kevin Love was about to throw hands.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2018, 05:16:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/6HzBloc.jpg)

JR ain't ever living this moment down. LOL
"I knew we were tied"
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2018, 05:22:51 PM
The basketball fan in me is glad Kevin Love wasn’t suspended because it means we get a better Game 2. The side of me who thinks that rule should be abolished because it sucks wants it followed to the letter until the NBA realizes how much it sucks and gets rid of it. Back in 2007, Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw got suspended even though they didn’t escalate the situation, but they left the vicinity of the bench. Same with Kevin Love. He’s past the three point line. I don’t like the idea of following the spirit of the law because then the NBA gets to cherry pick.

I think it’s good to have a rule though it should be more about escalation than simply leaving the bench area. If a player on the bench walks a little on the court to pull one of his own guys away, sure.
(https://i.imgur.com/6HzBloc.jpg)

JR ain't ever living this moment down. LOL
"I knew we were tied"
That makes this situation so much worse. Smith even got a rebound with 7’0” Kevin Durant in front of him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2018, 05:09:49 AM
I am expecting maybe a 4- 6 game series. Either going to be a sweep by Golden State or something a bit more interesting.   I am rooting for the Cavs though partly because of Clarkson and Nance because they were Lakers and I feel for LeBron as this might be his last series as a Cav.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2018, 11:55:37 AM
Iggy is doubtful for gm2, so it'll be interesting to see if the Dubs can manage to slow down Lebron while continuing to keep the rest of the Cavs relatively neutralized.

I always figured Dubs in 5, but seeing how the Cavs were playing previous to this, and knowing that there is NO WAY Lebron can play at 100% effort and all 48 minutes for EVERY GAME, I was hoping for a clean sweep.

Nance is ok, but Clarkson is trying to hard to become the man.
He has talent, but he ain't gonna be Lebron's Kyrie, not this season.... and not next season either, becuase Lebron will be in Philly. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 01:41:02 AM
Another NBA record for Curry and The Warriors
Most 3 Pointers made in a Final game = 9

and we need some pre-game HYPE intro's like they used to do back in the day. Sell you on the drama, recap the road to the moment, point out the little fueds throughout the season, etc etc

Here is someone's mock up for last years finals. It's still relevant today, but he NBA on NBC theme really takes you back though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guM04bMHuBc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guM04bMHuBc)


Finals MVP Curry is coming for his crown.
Lebron just couldn't hoist his whole team up on his shoulders to carry them to the finishline this time. The man is tired. Outside of Love, and tonight, Hill.... most everyone else was just there to fill in the 5 needed on the court.

I still don't get how TT wasn't suspended for his actions in last game though. He got ejected, and before leaving the court, started another altercation that was deserved of another flagrant 2 for being a purposeful blow to another players head... but they somehow downgrade the initial Flagrant 2 to a F1, and then completely dismiss the ball/hit to Drays face.
I mean I don't really care if TT is on the court or not, but I think it sets a bad precedent to let that slide, because if that was Draymond, we all know he'd be missing at least game 2, if not gm3 as well.

But whatever.... 2-0 headed to Cleveland.
This game went exactly how we expected gm1 to go.
Let's hope the Dubs can win gm 3 in CLE and not let Lebron back in this series.

edit:
(https://i.imgur.com/sTfQ0An.png)

edit2:

If you all want to know why the Cavs didn't really compete in OT of Gm1 and why Lebron looked like he just didn't have 110% to give in game 2....
https://twitter.com/RohanNadkarni/status/1003493390175129600

He left it all on the court in regulation of Gm1. Finding out they had a TO they didn't use literally broke his spirit. A man surrounded by incompetencies. He knew that was their 1, best and probably only chance to win one in against this team (in Oakland... during the first 2 games)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 08:49:38 AM
That mockup intro was great. I still remember the NBA on NBC theme. I’d love for them to bring back the intros on ABC or TNT, but maybe we’re just old and out of touch. I read an article a couple months ago where a lot of younger fans just watch the recap on YouTube. No, it’s the children who are wrong.

Anyway, the three pointer Curry made to beat the shot clock pretty much sums up how this game went for the Cavs. Outside of James and Love, the Cavs were hard to watch. I can’t believe Coby Altman was talked into not only taking Jordan Clarkson but giving up a draft pick too.

Warriors fans chanting “MVP” whenever Smith did anything last night just opened Pandora’s Box. I’ve seen fans cheer when a player on an opposing team messes up, but chanting “MVP” is next level trolling. I feel like we’re going to start hearing that more and it’ll lose its impact.

I think there’s a reasonable chance the Warriors drop Game 3. Not because of any adjustments Tyronn Lue makes. The Warriors just get bored. If they’re going to lose a game, Game 4 would be better. I’d rather see a sweep so this awful series can be put out of its misery.

Also, I was wondering where that Twitter video was going. I thought, why am I still watching this? Then 1:41 happened.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 11:22:43 AM
The MVP Chant was pretty funny. along with the standing ovation at JR's intro before the game.
Every Warriors fan realizes that we got so damn lucky that 1st game, and we all know who to thank for being an idiot. It won't carry over to Cleveland though.

I also think that while the Cavs will play better at home, and Lebron might renew his efforts back to a Herculean level, I think this is when KD will step up and dismantle their defense from the midrange while Curry and Klay stay alive from 3. Hopefully if they must drop one game for the gentleman's sweep, it's game4, and Lebron will know it's a mercy game meant to bring it home to Oakland.

Also that Twitter vid.... Lebron looked like he was about to cry. He literally had a career performance where he left all he had on the court, after hoisting his entire team on his shoulders.... and is let down by incompetent people all around him... but he has no one to blame but himself, as the coach he put in place didn't request a time out. The player with the ball that he insisted be overpaid didn't know what the score was and ran out the clock instead of putting the ball in the hoop for the win.
I'd  have more sympathy for him if this wasn't a mess of his own design.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2018, 12:17:24 PM
That mockup intro was great. I still remember the NBA on NBC theme.

As well you should. That song was "Round ball Rock", composed by John Tesh. Still a fantastic song.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 12:50:54 PM
I feel worse for James than you do because most role players on a championship team get overpaid. Also, the Cavs front office J.R. Smith’d twice last summer, they played chicken with the Pacers to get Paul George and lost, Kyrie Irving found out then they traded him rather than weather the storm. If the Cavs had either George or Irving, this series wouldn’t be such a nightmare for James. Maybe Irving still needs surgery, but they didn’t know that. I’d take those chances. Instead, they turned a top 20 player into George Hill, Rodney Hood, Jordan Clarkson, and Larry Nance Jr.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 01:01:15 PM
Is the failed PG trade the reason Kyrie wanted to jump ship? Were they attempting to trading Kyrie for PG13?

I've heard several reasons of why Kyrie demanded a trade, but nothing ever definitive as the official reason.
Had they still had Kyrie, they would have made quick work of the East. Add PG to that, and we have a series that's going 7... Maybe.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 01:54:53 PM
Nothing official, but I follow the Lakers so I’ve pretty much heard every Paul George trade rumor.

1. According to The Athletic’s Jason Lloyd, there was a three way trade between the Cavs, Suns, and Indiana that would have netted the Cavs Paul George and Eric Bledsoe. That fell apart when Dan Gilbert let David Griffin walk.

2. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, Indiana wanted Kyrie Irving for Paul George straight up, but the Cavs rejected that “several times.”

3. According to ESPN’s Dave McMenamin, the Cavs front office, coaches, and team support staff met to discuss Irving’s future. Irving heard about the meeting, felt expendable, and requested a trade a couple weeks later.

The Cavs wouldn’t have had Paul George and Kyrie Irving as any trade involved both players never had hem going to the same team. In any case, George and Bledsoe would have been a hell of a lot more entertaining than the dumpster fire LeBron tries to put out every night the Cavs roll onto the floor.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 02:28:01 PM
The Cavs wouldn’t have had Paul George and Kyrie Irving as any trade involved both players never had hem going to the same team. In any case, George and Bledsoe would have been a hell of a lot more entertaining than the dumpster fire LeBron tries to put out every night the Cavs roll onto the floor.

LMAO

Ok gotcha, I think I heard some of that. Kyrie heard about a failed trade, and then demanded one to a contender or something.
Bron and PG might have been interesting. add in Bledsoe and yeah, this series would be so much better. The Cavs in general would have been so much better.

So PG to the Lakers? or is there any chatter about him sticking it out in OKC one more year?
I heard something about him blaming their failed playoff run on missing Roberson, and possibly riding out OKC for 1 more year....


edit: One thing I do know about the off-season....
With all the Front Office drama with Colangelo in Philly, Lebron must be watching that real close right now.
If he can get his guy in the front office, and then take his talents there.... 76ers become the new "guaranteed" path to the Finals in the East.
I don't know how many are on the Bron to Philly train, but that's where I've stacked my chips since months ago. Perfect opportunity for him to come push his influence over how the organization is run.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 03:09:56 PM
I’ve heard that rumor. I can’t see that happening. Westbrook’s supermax contract makes improving the team so much harder and one Roberson is not moving the needle. Unless George can get more help, he’s ultimately deciding where he’s more comfortable not winning a championship.

Most people think Paul George to the Lakers is a forgone conclusion. If he wants an easier path to a winning team, there are better options because he’d have to convince James to join him this year and/or Kawhi Leonard next year. I heard the Rockets are going to make a run for George if they can’t land James, but either scenario requires a sign and trade, and no one wants Ryan Anderson’s contract. I think he ultimately signs with the Lakers, but among the teams with cap space this offseason, the Sixers make the most sense for him as far as fit.

I try to be a reasonable Lakers fan. One Paul George isn’t turning the team into a contender. George AND James would, but I’m not convinced they’re better than the Warriors. Some Lakers fans are trying to push the narrative that Kevin Durant is in play because he doesn’t like being the fourth favorite Warriors player, and he wants to lead a team. The only way I see Durant leaving is mental fatigue. The Warriors get bored, and they’ve shown signs of it all year. And even then unless he really, really wants to mentor Brandon Ingram, I see no reason why the Lakers would be his first option. Sometimes the worst part about being a Lakers fan is dealing with other Lakers fans.

Sorry, I heard that nonsense Durant rumor again today, and I just needed to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
Assuming the Warriors win the title this year (safe assumption, but still an assumption for now) KD ain't leaving. He'll sign another 1 and 1, and take a small discount to extend Klay's contract early.
****.... actually, he's probably staying either way. No stress in the bay, just paid to win while having fun while you play.

I don't know what's up with Kawhi, but SAS is going to offer him the Sooper MaxX, and I'm not sure if he turns it down. That's a lot of money to walk away from... especially since they will probably be able to make some moves this off season if the seniors on the team retire freeing up some cap space.

Philly got room for 2 Max contracts from what I heard.... Lebron + Kawhi? Lebron + PG13?

But since it just got brought up again this morning on TV... what if Danny Ainge trades Kyrie for Lebron? Tell me that wouldn't be some cold blooded ****. LOL




edit:
bonus clip of some JR stupidity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgvBHS1hpE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgvBHS1hpE)
LMAO this dude needs to sober up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 05:07:20 PM
Yeah, Durant isn’t leaving. That was my point. Lakers exceptionalism is alive and well.

The Sixers have almost one max slot if they let J.J. Redick walk and can get a full max slot by using the stretch provision on Jerryd Bayless. The Lakers are the only team this offseason that can get two max slots with the path of least resistance involving using the stretch provision on the ghost of Luol Deng and renouncing Julius Randle (NO!). Since Magic Johnson has no problems pushing the tampering card, he’ll know where the Lakers stand with key free agents before free agency. Ideally, the Lakers would trade Deng, keep Randle, and sign their free agent targets either George/James or kick the can down the road and make a run at Kawhi Leonard next year. That said, it will be hard but not impossible to dump Luol Deng if absolutely necessary. I’ve heard the Bulls may take him for a couple draft picks. If the Lakers can swing it, they can use Deng to match contracts in a trade rather than a salary dump. If the Thunder, for example, are going to lose Paul George, might as well get a couple picks for him.

I think there’s a reasonable chance Kawhi Leonard leaves San Antonio especially if he really believes the team mismanaged his injury. The main obstacle is apparently his uncle whispering in his ear. The supermax is a ton of money to pass up especially since Texas is an income tax free state, but the idea would be to make up the difference in a bigger market. For example, he apparently balked at the shoe deal he was offered from the Jordan Brand. That’s not changing if he’s still in San Antonio. Maybe in Los Angeles, the same Los Angeles that voted Lonzo Ball over Damien Lillard for the all-Star game. I’m a Lakers fan, and I still think that’s a bad idea. Take the supermax. I’ve never been one for taking chances though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 04, 2018, 05:44:40 PM
I thought the main reason there was the mid season trade for the Cavs was because the locker room of the Cavs was so toxic and they needed to trade players to make the team function better together.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 04, 2018, 06:32:45 PM
I thought the main reason there was the mid season trade for the Cavs was because the locker room of the Cavs was so toxic and they needed to trade players to make the team function better together.


Honestly in hindsight I think that was a massive overreaction by Cleveland. The idea that Isaiah Thomas was so toxic and his body was so irreparably broken seems crazy today. I know stats don't tell the entire story but Thomas giving you 15 a night doesn't seem so bad considering Nance and Clarkson are giving you nothing right now and Hill might be shooting better than IT but is still only good for 10 on a good night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 09:49:09 PM
Witnessing Greatness.... Human Cheat Code Activated

(https://i.imgur.com/MSCcKF0.png)

I think this is secretly half the reason why the Dubs shut Corver down so hard.
Can't catch the man on the All Time NBA 3pt List if he keeps making 3's
And Curry has 2-3 more games to top the All-Time Playoff 3pt list to secure his Finals MVP

I believe Curry is #7 on the All-Time list and Korver is at #3, about 90 3's ahead of Curry.
If Curry shoots similar to usual next season, he will jump from #7 to #3 with ease and room to spare
(https://i.imgur.com/OOpl89P.png)
3-5 seasons from now, assuming how he keeps shooting, he will top the list.

If Steph can beat the playoff record, he will have passed Paul Pierce. Would like to see him mumble through that with some scattered commentary Live on the post game. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2018, 09:55:25 PM
Paul Pierce’s commentary and analysis is so bad. Why does ESPN keep putting him on television?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
Paul Pierce’s commentary and analysis is so bad. Why does ESPN keep putting him on television?

No idea... but to watch him have to praise a Warrior for beating one of his records. LOL
I see him struggling to find the words.

For as little insightful commentary that the TNT crew gives, they should guest star, or hold their own  PreGame/HalfTime/PostGame show.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
Nothing official, but I follow the Lakers so I’ve pretty much heard every Paul George trade rumor.

Here are some Laker rumors coming form someone on Reddit
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Era>Reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/8ojjc7/cyberx_just_dropped_some_news_on_the_lakers/)>source
Some background information on CyberX for those who don't know who he is. He correctly posted about Iso-Joe to the Rockets, JC to CLE, he made this thread on January 25th, 3 weeks before the trade actually happened in Februrary, and CP3 to HOU, among other things. He seems connected to the league. He also posted some behind the scenes about Pelinka and the Lou Will trade.

Source: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/2-0-cyberex-paging-cyberex.272647/page-6 (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php?threads/2-0-cyberex-paging-cyberex.272647/page-6)

-Still believes Lakers at top of the list for LeBron
-Capella is intrigued about the Lakers, LA scene with their young core if they offer the max, wants to make his own name
-Boogie wants out of NOLA, wants Lakers badly
-PG to Lakers is almost a lock
-Capela isnt looking to leave but he also wouldnt mind going on another team and not being under JH shadow. He feels he can offer more. He sees the Lakers as a young and fun team that he can grow with. Same with PHX. I don't see the Lakers going out there to mess with RFA. Its just not in their style.
-Lakers arent sold on DMC. I dont think they really care for him after the injury. Only see him there if its on a short term deal they strike out on.
-If the Lakers know they can get some studs this summer, they will attach a pick or a young player to get rid of Dengs $. I believe the opportunities are endless.

You guys got me going again, going to make some calls this week. I love the off season.

I'll update this thread whenever he makes a new post.

edit:
and IT2 out here clownin!!!!
https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/status/1003863656440852480 (https://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA/status/1003863656440852480)

original source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Np4K_PAfnI
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2018, 08:56:22 AM
Isaiah Thomas saying, “I’m like the Cavs; I’m about to get swept,” on national television was probably the best thing I’ve seen this week besides maybe that Steph Curry three pointer to beat the shot clock.

I’ve heard most of those rumors except that’s Demarcus Cousins wants to go to the Lakers “badly.” Rob Pelinka crossed him off the list as soon as he got that injury. He saw first hand how Kobe Bryant ended his career after tearing his Achilles. Granted, Cousins is 27 and Bryant was what, 86.

Clint Capela is a restricted free agent. The Rockets will match any offer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2018, 10:37:54 PM
Draft hats anyone!? https://twitter.com/JeffEisenband/status/1004021920059281409/photo/1
(https://i.imgur.com/KH4mFK1.png)

And it is one of the better ones. There are some ugly ones out there.... :/
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 06, 2018, 10:42:25 AM
It looks cool. Probably super overpriced but whatevs. Jordan Bell was a steal last year and I hope we get lucky again this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2018, 11:50:36 AM
There's a TED Talk about flag design that this reminds me of.  But they all look over-developed or "too busy" to me.  And some of the pins are ridiculous.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2018, 02:13:23 AM
3-0
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfDzrnRUYAAkqFq.jpg:large)

And this is too much. LMAO
https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1004435653965373440?s=20
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: ShyGuy on June 07, 2018, 04:43:56 AM
Welp, seems about over now. Looking back, it was over when JR Smith wandered off in game 1.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2018, 08:51:14 AM
Paul Pierce thinks Steph Curry just lost Finals MVP to Kevin Durant. Yeah, but Curry signed a super max contract last summer. I guess he’ll just have to dry his tears on all those disposable $100 bills he now has.

EDIT:
(https://i.imgur.com/83owWve.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 07, 2018, 09:02:59 AM
Curry had a really bad game, but sure let's just forget what he did in Game 2.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2018, 09:33:59 AM
Sarcasm aside, Durant is having a better overall series. Even his worst game this series was still pretty good. Also, who really cares what Paul Pierce thinks? I doubt Curry is losing sleep over it. Fans and the media are more about who gets Finals MVP.

And if we’re talking most valuable player in the series, it’s hands down LeBron James even though only Jerry West has ever won it on a losing team. Without him, the Cavs don’t play anything remotely resembling competent basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2018, 11:06:49 AM
If Curry shows up and plays anywhere near Game 2 level for game 4, on a Warrior win, he gets FMVP
If Durant has to pull a game 3 again because Steph and Klay are both cold... KD wins his 2nd FMVP

The ONLY way Lebron even gets a consideration for FMVP is if they somehow win the next 3 games and he puts up a historic performance in a game 7 loss.

Other than that.. there's no way they give it to the loser ever again. J. West got it the very first year there was a FMVP award, which is the only reason he won it on a losing effort.

and I really wonder who sent that Giant L to the Quicken Loans Arena. If that was another Draymond prank, I will lose it. LMAO
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
Absolutely. No way anyone on a losing team officially wins Finals MVP ever again. I just meant if we’re talking about who provides the most value for each team’s success, it’s clearly LeBron James. Take one of the Warriors’ four best players (Durant, Curry, Thompson, or Green) out of the series, and they still have a reasonable chance to win while the Cavs without LeBron James may lose a G-League game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2018, 11:51:51 AM
Truth

Now I just wonder what changes Ty Lue makes to try and win 1 game in Cleveland. Considering the whole team knows win or lose, this is most likely Lebrons last game in Quicken Loans Arena as a Cav for the immediate future. I gotta wonder if the Cavs come out swinging trying their best to not be swept, or do they have a defeated attitude and everyone plays like JR Smith for game 4.

Oh, and does someone deliver a Giant Broom to Quicken Loans arena just before game 4 to mess with the Cavs heads?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Ian Sane on June 07, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
Does any player ever want to win Finals MVP in a losing effort?  So he's going to put that trophy on his shelf so it can remind him of the time his team made it to the finals and blew it?  It's basically a "my teammates let me down" award at that point.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
Does any player ever want to win Finals MVP in a losing effort?  So he's going to put that trophy on his shelf so it can remind him of the time his team made it to the finals and blew it?  It's basically a "my teammates let me down" award at that point.

Lebrons Legacy at this point is "I got my team to the Finals and we blew it"
It would basically be his validation of "It wasn't me, it was all of them" award.
and the fact that he knows he prevented Curry from getting it, and being the only other person in the entire NBA history to do it.... (maybe get himself made into the New NBA Logo while we're at it) could be a good thing

It's not gonna happen, but I could see how Lebron could find some positives out of it.

I'm really hoping Curry gets it though. He needs a MONSTER game 4 though.
Would be dope if he broke the Finals 3pt Record again.

Rachel Nichols was stating that last time the Finals record was broken 8 3's back in 2010, dude went 0-8 from 3 in the following game.
Curry did the exact same thing, only 0-9 before finally hitting one to end the game 1-10 from 3.
He's due to be calibrated for game 4.
Hopefully Klay joins the Splash Party and game 4 isn't even close after the 3rd is done.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: nickmitch on June 07, 2018, 12:53:53 PM
I don't see the reasoning in wanting Curry to get the MVP.  KD is running away with it in my mind.

And I'm assuming the giant L was a part of some kind of signage and that account was just having some fun.  Because the tweet is hysterical, but someone just sending a giant L is a little mean spirited.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2018, 06:26:02 PM
KD is deserving of it too, but so was Curry last year, and the first year they won too.
This team wouldn't be what it is then nor today with Curry, so I want to see him have a big game 4 and finally get his FMVP award.

It would also make him 1 of 9 players I think that had multiple regular season MVP and a FMVP award, based on what they were talking on the radio the other day.
There might've been other qualifiers such as AS appearances our All NBA team selections too, but I don't remember at the moment.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2018, 12:43:06 AM
Finals MVP went to Durant again. Curry had a monster game, but Game 3 hurt him while Durant carried the team to a tough win then dropped a triple double in Game 4.

Hot Take I’ll likely regret: the Warriors don’t make it to the Finals next year.

It’s about that time I get bored watching a team dominate. I don’t even care if they come back and win in 2020. I’ve had my fill of Warriors in the Finals for now.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 09, 2018, 12:44:14 AM
Nick Young: NBA champion.
JaVale McGee has more rings than Moses Malone.
And the thread title stays intact for another year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!1
Post by: Soren on June 09, 2018, 01:04:18 AM
It’s about that time I get bored watching a team dominate. I don’t even care if they come back and win in 2020. I’ve had my fill of Warriors in the Finals for now.


In 1994 I had the unfortunate look of picking the Warriors as my favorite team. 9 year-old me had no idea the sadness that he would inherit for the next 20 years. So you know what? Dominate all you want Warriors. I will not get tired of this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2018, 01:20:17 AM
Curry would have had that FMVP still if he managed to hit 2-3 more 3's and gotten that 43+ pts and 9-10 3's to either tie or break the new record he just set.

I feel like they kept giving him every chance to do it, but he just kept missing his 3's down the stretch in the last 10-12 minutes of garbage time. LOL I feel bad for Steph, he looked sad he didn't get it, but in the end, he fell just short of earning it. Maybe next year. I got my money on you again Steph.  Don't let me down next time.

On the freshly swept side of the floor....
Lebron just straight gave up, he was not getting much of anything from anyone on his team.
That crushing Game 1 loss totally deflated him, Curry lighting him up in Game 2 poked another hole, KD roasting the whole Cavs team in Game 3 while Steph and Klay both went cold as ice from everywhere on the court, and the Cavs still couldn't be bothered... I just don't think the motivation was there to take it back to Oakland one more time... for what?
He's gone. He knows it. The whole team knows it. The entire NBA organization knows it. Anyone paying attention knew this a long time ago.


It’s about that time I get bored watching a team dominate. I don’t even care if they come back and win in 2020. I’ve had my fill of Warriors in the Finals for now.


In 1994 I had the unfortunate look of picking the Warriors as my favorite team. 9 year-old me had no idea the sadness that he would inherit for the next 20 years. So you know what? Dominate all you want Warriors. I will not get tired of this.


I'm cheering right next to you. WAAAAAARRRIOOOORRRRSS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: ShyGuy on June 09, 2018, 03:14:20 AM
Warriors vs Celtics with Lebron in 2019, book it!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2018, 07:47:54 AM
In 1994 I had the unfortunate look of picking the Warriors as my favorite team. 9 year-old me had no idea the sadness that he would inherit for the next 20 years. So you know what? Dominate all you want Warriors. I will not get tired of this.
That’s fair. I’d at least like competitive basketball. Besides the Rockets series, the Warriors coasted through the playoffs. There are certain instances in which I want blowout victories (e.g. last year’s Finals due to NBA interference in 2016). Otherwise, I find close games more compelling.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2018, 10:23:44 AM
In 1994 I had the unfortunate look of picking the Warriors as my favorite team. 9 year-old me had no idea the sadness that he would inherit for the next 20 years. So you know what? Dominate all you want Warriors. I will not get tired of this.
That’s fair. I’d at least like competitive basketball. Besides the Rockets series, the Warriors coasted through the playoffs. There are certain instances in which I want blowout victories (e.g. last year’s Finals due to NBA interference in 2016). Otherwise, I find close games more compelling.

Then your issue is with the League for what is happening right now. Had they not interfered in 2016, and the Warriors won 15-16 Back 2 Back, Durant likely never signs with the Warriors.
then again... they were recruiting him anyway... so maybe he does join and they go 4 or more in a row. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2018, 11:08:54 AM
I’ve never been coy about how much I hated Draymond Green’s suspension in the 2016 Finals. It made no sense and wrecked that series so the league could get two additional games and the advertising dollars that came with it. That’s a separate issue.

The Warriors built a great team even before Durant got there. I have no issues with the Warriors per se. I actually thoroughly enjoy watching the Warriors. As a basketball fan, how can one not? Their system is so nice, the way they move the ball, set screens. Klay Thompson’s shooting form is probably the most fundamentally sound in the league right now.

I’m a basketball fan first and foremost. While I follow certain teams, I care more about the sport itself than the teams that play it. Any team dominating the league for an extended period of time just doesn’t really interest me. I can enjoy watching highlights, but I’ll tune out of games. If Team X is just steamrolling over other teams, I don’t need to watch that. I love the drama of close games, buzzer beaters/game-winners, late game defensive stops.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on June 09, 2018, 11:17:22 AM
I think the worst thing that could have happened in these Finals was getting Cleveland again. And the best thing that happened is having the Warriors destroy them so badly that the team gave up halfway through the 3rd quarter last night. GS proved that Cleveland does not belong in this strata of NBA basketball, not with the front office they have and certainly not with the players. If LeBron wants any chance at another championship he'll do the right thing and stop dragging this corpse of a team where it doesn't belong.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2018, 11:59:10 AM
At least now with the Finals over we can finally get to the season awards, probably the only aspect of the NBA left where there might be at least a little surprise.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
Popular speculation around the league has Lebron talking to the following teams in the very near future....

Lakers
Philly
Warriors
Celtics

there are a few others I can't remember off the top of my head, but those were the most interesting to me.

- Lakers sees him bring in another player. PG13, Kawhi, CP3, Boogie?
- Philly allows him to bring in a GM. who was his outed GM in Cleveland? I forget, but opportunity is knocking
- Warriors.... LOL that ain't happening
- Celtics reunites him with Kyrie (part of the plan all along!? good team, real competent coach, and only way to get get Kyrie there ahead of time and not gut the team?)

NBA Awards will hopefully be interesting as well.
Rookie of the Year (Simmons or Mitchell)
Choke Artist of the Year (that should be a category) (Harden or Toronto Raptors)
Regular Season MVP (most likely Harden, could be Lebron though)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2018, 01:22:34 AM
This the type of **** that happens to Curry in so many games yet 99% of the time never gets a whistle
https://streamable.com/nl566 (https://streamable.com/nl566)

This is the **** that keeps him from getting touches and getting in rhythm. I understand why it happens, but the damn refs need to call this **** sometimes. It's not a simple body bump, they are literally grabbing and mauling this cat, and he almost never complains about it. Just keeps on playing.

They had said that after game 3, Curry was getting treated for tons of scratches, some bleeding....


Did anyone see Lebroom at the post game with the cast on? Broke his hand after game 1 punching a whiteboard because he was so pissed off?

Yeah? ok, good, because here is the Top Joke of the Finals.....
Quote
Well, at least now, that the series is over, Lebron has a supporting cast.


and random facts...
(https://i.imgur.com/aXkkq6o.png)
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Post by: Shaymin on June 10, 2018, 03:20:03 PM
That's why Jordan will always be the GOAT: if he got pissed off about something, he'd break his hand on Toni Kukoc's face.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 10, 2018, 05:09:29 PM
Insider Info
https://twitter.com/hoopin_caleb/status/1005692563888668673

the HYPE vid. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE3eaAkRGEE


Still got my chips on Philly ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
Sheesh, this Kawhi Leonard thing.

I wasn't going to post Kevin Pelton's article (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23776431/how-lakers-land-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard-nba-free-agency) about how the Lakers can land James, George, AND Leonard, but Leonard formally requested a trade to Los Angeles according to both Chris Haynes (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23803570/kawhi-leonard-wants-san-antonio-spurs) and Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1007676505562984450) (favors Lakers but didn't rule out Clippers) so it's relevant here. Pelton suggested:

1. Leonard has to request a trade to the Lakers.
2. The Lakers send Lonzo Ball, Kyle Kuzma, and Luol Deng (to match salaries) to the Spurs for Leonard.

I chalked it up as an off-season puff piece, just click-bait BS since there's nothing to talk about until the draft. Then, Leonard actually requested a trade so I think it's worth discussing.

This might sound crazy, but I don't think the Lakers should make that trade. They'd give up too much given the circumstances. Everyone remembers Carmelo Anthony's trade to the Knicks in 2011. Had he waited what, four months, the Knicks would have had a great core around Anthony and Amare Stoudemire. Front Office Rule #1: Don't gut your team for a superstar on an expiring contract. A roster featuring James, Leonard, and George looks great on paper, but the team loses Ball, Kuzma, and probably Julius Randle. Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart round out the starting lineup then there's NO ONE. That team isn't better than the Warriors. Sure, they can get some cheap veterans, but I'd still bet on the Warriors 100 times out of 100.

The Spurs are working from an extremely weak position. They can try to demand a ransom, but Leonard has all the power. All his reps have to say is, "He will not re-sign with you." Okay, maybe someone (read: Danny Ainge) takes that chance, but even that idea is fraught with risk. First, who knows when he comes back from injury? Second, he clearly has no problem sitting out almost an entire season AND not traveling with the team. If you're NOT a team on his preferred list, do you give up any decent assets to potentially never see Leonard on the court then watch helplessly when he putzes off next summer?

Kawhi Leonard was the best player on a championship team, arguably the best two-way player currently, and probably still considered the second best overall player in the league. He knows he can sit out an entire season again and teams will still beg him to sign. Who fucks with this guy? That's a dangerous game of chicken, my friend.

Since this story heavily involves the Lakers, let's go back to them. Magic Johnson, who clearly doesn't give a **** about the NBA's tampering rules, probably knows where he stands on free agency. If I'm the Lakers, I try to get this deal done on draft night. Send Ball, Deng, 2018 25th pick (via the Cavs) and their own 2019 and 2021 picks, and maybe a second round pick and/or Ivica Zubac. The trade would have to be agreed upon before the Lakers select this year so the Spurs can choose the player and still get the Lakers 2019 pick due to the Stepien rule. I would build the trade around Ball because he has the highest upside, the most years left on his rookie contract, and if they get Leonard, that's enough to convince James to sign (George is probably a lock) who would take the ball out of Ball's hands anyway. I don't give up Ingram, Kuzma, or Josh Hart because they're good rotation pieces at this point in their careers. Maybe they can work something out to keep Randle. George and James would have to take less than the max so probably not.

That's the best case scenario, and I don't actually think that's going to happen. It depends on who blinks first though. I don't believe Johnson and Rob Pelinka gut the team for Leonard since they know the Lakers are his preferred destination. They're more likely to sign who they can now and kick the can down the road until next summer. You don't build a successful team by surrendering a bunch of talent. It just sucks immensely when a star player holds you hostage. Sorry, Pop.

EDIT: There are conflicting reports on whether Kawhi Leonard personally requested a trade or if his camp leaked it to the press.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2018, 11:14:57 AM
No one wants to talk about Kawhi Leonard?

I believe the Spurs refuse to trade him to the Lakers out of spite. Leonard helped them win a championship, but there’s no real loyalty in sports except when the Lakers gave Kobe Bryant that hilarious last contract. The Lakers don’t panic and sell the farm because they’re still paying for the Deng and Mozgov deals. I just think this situation is so fascinating due to all the moving parts.

1. Kawhi Leonard and his camp can practically dictate where he goes by refusing to re-sign AND refusing to return from injury.
2. The Spurs don’t have to make any moves right now. **** it. Let him sit out another season and walk next summer. They’re so good at drafting and developing talent that they can be patient. Maybe try to get something at the trade deadline if there’s a deal that nets them something without taking back anything that will hamper future flexibility.
3. Boston may roll the dice because they have assets to spare. I still think Danny Ainge is biding his time until he can make a run for Anthony Davis. Renting Leonard if he doesn’t want to be there is only a possibility if they don’t give up the assets necessary to snag Davis.
4. The Sixers don’t want to part with Markelle Fultz, Dario Saric, AND a pick without any assurance Leonard re-signs. They won’t get that reassurance. But they might do it anyway if they can also sign LeBron James.

My favorite trade floated around is Leonard to the Kings for the 2018 second pick (who probably ends up being Luka Dončić) and other pieces to make the salaries match. Then, Kawahi bolts next summer when the Kings don’t have their own pick. The drama of that whole situation. Would the NBA watch the Kings continue to **** up without intervening? I mean, the league stopped The Process right when Sam Hinke’s plan was starting to come together. I just feel bad for the Kings, but I enjoy watching this ownership group fail. I hope they sell the team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 16, 2018, 11:41:15 AM
That Lakers situation of Kawhi, PG13 and Lebron is scary for the Warriors.

I never thought of Kawhi on the Sixers, I always figured he would take that SuperMax contract they are gonna offer him, and call it a career.

Not really much more to say on it though till something starts to develop.

How about Warriors working out LiAngelo (nuKlay) Ball though....
I don't think I could suffer through Lavar Ball repping the Dubs though. He needs to either stay in LA or Lithuania with LaMelo
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2018, 12:09:04 PM
Been some talk going around about the Jazz possibly trading for Kevin love, giving the Cavs some minor bench players (and Alec Burks) and some first round picks for him. It'd be a good trade for the Jazz since they'd give up nothing of value & Favors could be the bench backup at that position.

I dunno, though. It feels like the Jazz really need a PG (Donovan usually plays SG) and a backup center on par with Gilbert, not a PF.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2018, 05:59:42 PM
That Lakers situation of Kawhi, PG13 and Lebron is scary for the Warriors.
Depending on who the Lakers would give up. My money is still on the Warriors until I’m given reason to change my mind. It’s on other teams to prove they can hang with the champs.
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I never thought of Kawhi on the Sixers, I always figured he would take that SuperMax contract they are gonna offer him, and call it a career.
I’ve heard conflicting things on this, ranging from the Spurs not wanting to offer the supermax because they’re so used to the David Robinson and Tim Duncan types who will take a discount to be part of a system and basically shut up and play to the Spurs apparently taking the supermax off the table until Leonard proved he was committed to the team, as in they would wait until at least he got back on the court and played for a while before offering it which wasn’t even a guarantee. Bad move? Maybe the Spurs called his bluff? Leonard (and/or his camp) already felt slighted by the handling of his injury. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Spurs were so bold.

I’m not really sure how I feel about this. Was all this squabbling on Leonard’s people to force Spurs to offer the supermax? Did the Spurs really mismanage his injury despite being known as the team that doesn’t do that? Either way, an $80 million difference is a lot at stake. I tend to side with players more than teams. And if the Spurs refused to even entertain a trade to the team Leonard requested just to spite him, that shows their true colors. I wouldn’t want to play there if I was a star player.
Been some talk going around about the Jazz possibly trading for Kevin love, giving the Cavs some minor bench players (and Alec Burks) and some first round picks for him. It'd be a good trade for the Jazz since they'd give up nothing of value & Favors could be the bench backup at that position.
Assuming LeBron James leaves, the Cavs definitely want at least a first and preferably not to take on long term money. This would be a good move for the Jazz even though Love is a minus defensive player. I mean, he tries, but he isn’t very good on the side of the court. In any case, the Jazz could use another option on offense instead of asking Donovan Mitchell to do so much. They lost to the Rockets. I wanted but didn’t expect the Jazz to prevail. If the Cavs blow it up this summer, I kind of hope this trade happens. Might as well make the West more competitive.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
Hornets agreed to trade Dwight Howard to Nets for Timofey Mozgov, cash, and two second round daft picks, 2018 (45th) and 2021. This deal (which can’t be officially completed until July 6) looks worse on paper than it actually is. Both teams get what they want: the Nets create two max slots next summer by shedding Mozgov for Howard’s expiring contract and the Hornets get some much needed salary cap relief. The team is probably going into tank mode. I expect Kenba Walker to be dealt this off-season.

In Kawhi Leonard news, he reportedly met with Gregg Popovich, requested a trade to Los Angeles (preferably Lakers), and will alert other teams interested in a trade that he intends to sign in Los Angeles next year. I’m not sure if he name dropped Lakers specifically. Either way, yikes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2018, 12:00:59 PM
Trade value TANKED!!!!

Pops is probably gonna retire after this year if he can't get the Spurs vets to retire and attract new talent or get good draft picks this season.

I feel like this Kawhii, Lebron, PG13 this is gonna happen....
Magic said late last season that they might not chase FA this summer, but wait till next summer....
it all seems to make sense now. Magic don't seem to care about tampering, so I bet there's been some back-channel talks happening to put this all in place since many months ago.
I bet SAS still ship him to some team in the East and let them take a shot at convincing him to stay.

I think it's gonna be an even more interesting off-season this year than last year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2018, 11:31:55 AM
Anyone paying attention to the draft?

I'm not personally, but i wouldn't mind hearing someone knowledgeable about its opinion on top picks and who should get who and why they would be a good fit, or why certain teams are being stupid to trade/pick/sell.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2018, 06:58:05 PM
I never watch the draft, but I’ll refresh ESPN to check for selections and, more importantly, trades. I mean, Jimmy Butler was traded on draft night. I love player movement. It’s the only thing that gets me through this part of the off-season. Mid-July to October is brutal.

I don’t know too much about the available players as I haven’t been keeping up with it as much as past years. I think Luka Dončić is considered to be the most polished player in the draft. He probably doesn’t get picked first for a couple reasons. Others are considered to have a higher ceiling. I expect the Suns to pick Deandre Ayton with the first pick because he’s an Arizona Wildcat. It kind of reminds of how the Rockets picked Hakeem Olajuwon, who was a Houston Cougar, with the first pick even though Michael Jordan was on the board. The Kings won’t pick Dončić because if that’s the correct choice, they won’t make it. Marvin Bagley or Trae Young are expected to go two and three, but pour a 40 oz on the curb for the career of the player picked by the Kings.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2018, 10:27:11 PM
The Jazz picked Grayson Allen out of Duke for their 1st round pick. I said before that the Jazz really needed another Guard, and that's exactly what they drafted. He's apparently good, but more of a defensive player than a shooter. I'm not familiar with college players, but this sounds like the right call.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on June 25, 2018, 09:49:51 PM
Donovan Mitchell got robbed, and by a middling player in the Leastern Conference who's not even a Rookie, no less.  ::)

Edit: I wish the news about these rewards was more accurately reported, as I continually saw people other than Golbert listed as winning Defensive Player of the Year, but nope! It went to Rudy Golbert. Well deserved.
Pity to lose Coach of the Year to the guy who was so terrible he's not even coach of the Raptors anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2018, 10:21:32 PM
Jebus, man. Those are some sour grapes.

1. Ben Simmons had a better overall year. Yeah, it was closer than anyone was expecting; Simmons still had a better year.
2. It doesn’t matter that Simmons plays in the East.
3. It also doesn’t matter that Simmons redshirted the year he was drafted. He didn’t play a single second that year. Full stop.
4. Rookie of the Year is a trash tier award. It ultimately says nothing about what a player will become or how long he’ll be in the league. Michael Carter-Williams, 2014 Rookie of the Year, was in the same draft class as Giannis Antetokounmpo and even another Jazz player, Rudy Gobert. I guess no expected them to be as good as they became, but that’s exactly my point.
5. Donovan Mitchell is a player the Jazz had no business getting for what they traded to get him. That’s worth more than some award that only matters when a player doesn’t live up to it (see: MCW again).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on June 25, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
Jebus, man. Those are some sour grapes.

1. Ben Simmons had a better overall year. Yeah, it was closer than anyone was expecting; Simmons still had a better year.
2. It doesn’t matter that Simmons plays in the East.
3. It also doesn’t matter that Simmons redshirted the year he was drafted. He didn’t play a single second that year. Full stop.
4. Rookie of the Year is a trash tier award. It ultimately says nothing about what a player will become or how long he’ll be in the league. Michael Carter-Williams, 2014 Rookie of the Year, was in the same draft class as Giannis Antetokounmpo and even another Jazz player, Rudy Gobert. I guess no expected them to be as good as they became, but that’s exactly my point.
5. Donovan Mitchell is a player the Jazz had no business getting for what they traded to get him. That’s worth more than some award that only matters when a player doesn’t live up to it (see: MCW again).

Sorry, but playing in the Eastern Conference taints everything for me. It's been a joke of a conference pretty much as far back as I can remember, with only 2-3 teams even remotely competitive. It enables players to pad their stats far more than you see in the Western Conference.

So yeah, there's definitely sour grapes, but I doubt he'd been anywhere near as successful if he wasn't playing against scrubs most of the year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on June 25, 2018, 10:40:33 PM
Donovan Mitchell got robbed, and by a middling player in the Leastern Conference who's not even a Rookie, no less.  ::)


 ::)  right back at ya with that bogus statement.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: nickmitch on June 26, 2018, 01:27:37 PM
If anyone got robbed, it was Anthony Davis.

Or maybe also LeBron.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2018, 02:25:19 PM
Were the NBA Awards last night!?

Damn missed it. Someone post the full results.
How was the show? Who hosted, and were they any good?

I need the deets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Shaymin on June 26, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
MVP: James Harden (Houston)
RotY: Ben Simmons (Process)
6th Man: Lou Williams (Clippers)
Defensive Player: Rudy Gobert (Jazz)
Most Improved: Victor Oladipo (Pacers)
Coach of the Year: Dwayne Casey (Raptors Pistons)
Full voting results (http://www.nba.com/nbaawards/2018/finalists)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2018, 08:33:33 PM
Damn, I don't see Curry name anywhere in there... I wonder how he feels knowing the only award he got this year was an NBA Championship.

I hope he tries harder next year.
I mean Durant got 3+ awards this year. Step your game up Curry.  SMH
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2018, 01:38:24 PM
Damn, I don't see Curry name anywhere in there... I wonder how he feels knowing the only award he got this year was an NBA Championship.

LOL

MVP: James Harden (Houston)
RotY: Ben Simmons (Process)
6th Man: Lou Williams (Clippers)
Defensive Player: Rudy Gobert (Jazz)
Most Improved: Victor Oladipo (Pacers)
Coach of the Year: Dwayne Casey (Raptors Pistons)
Full voting results (http://www.nba.com/nbaawards/2018/finalists)


You forgot to mention that Bill Russel flipped off Charles Barkley to great hilarity.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2018, 09:35:29 AM
So Free Agency has officially started, and it looks like we have our first big development of it: OKC's Paul George choosing to stay with OKC, despite heavy courting from the Jazz.

OKC just dumped a ton of money into keeping a squad of veteran players who got taken out in the 1st round last year and definitely wouldn't have taken out Houston or Golden State. I can't say I understand that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Was it worth it, Magic? wink wink
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2018, 11:48:16 AM
LOL Lakers

Some salty Lakers fans because Paul George re-signed with the Thunder. I’m genuinely glad he stayed where he’s comfortable and happy. Fans can get caught up with their own fandom and forget these players are still people. The only thing that confused me was George didn’t sign a three years with a player option so he can opt out and get the 10-year veterans max. Maybe he was worried about injuries?

Lakers are still courting LeBron James and apparently, DeMarcus Cousins now who is working his way back from an Achilles tear. I don’t think that’s a bad plan because Cousins fits better with what the Lakers want to do with a certain disgruntled Spurs star. If they traded for Kawhi Leonard, I wouldn’t want to pay George, a third starting wing, $30 million to be the third option. The Lakers would have a hole at center. With Cousins, he may be more accommodating with his contract due to his injury. If the Lakers want Kawhi Leonard, they will need to structure both Cousins’ and Julius Randle’s contracts to be less in the second year. Additionally, maybe the Lakers can convince the Pelicans to do a sign and trade to dump Deng with Lonzo Ball and maybe a pick. Better than losing Cousins for nothing. Pick and roll with Ball and Anthony Davis would be something to sell fans.

Anyway, besides George, not too many surprises so far. Chris Paul gave up a fifth year to return to the Rockets. That contract is going to be awful in the latter half. I didn’t expect Trevor Ariza to sign with the Suns. He already has a ring so maybe he just wanted to get paid. Mark Cuban did the Lakers a huge favor by signing DeAndre Jordan instead of trying to pry Randle away with a rich offer sheet. It gives them more time to figure out what to do while James and Cousins decide what they’re going to do.
OKC just dumped a ton of money into keeping a squad of veteran players who got taken out in the 1st round last year and definitely wouldn't have taken out Houston or Golden State. I can't say I understand that.
I imagine the Thunder owners see value in putting a watchable roster and to try to keep Russell Westbrook happy. He starts sulking about not getting help and that super max is looking like a tough pill to swallow.
Was it worth it, Magic? wink wink
Yes. Three weeks ago, they didn’t know Kawhi Leonard was in play. Leonard is a much better player, but Magic didn’t know he would be available. Target the players you think you have a chance at signing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2018, 08:29:21 PM
Lakers officially signed LeBron James to a four year, $154 million deal.

Next up, DeMarcus Cousins. Come on...
(https://i.imgur.com/wRwLV98.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Shaymin on July 01, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
If Toronto manages to survive the Celtics and the Process, does the Eastern Conference title have an asterisk because Lebron went out West?
At least he doesn't have to worry about a ninth straight finals, though,
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2018, 08:47:28 PM
Lakers officially signed LeBron James to a four year, $154 million deal.

Next up, DeMarcus Cousins. Come on...
(https://i.imgur.com/wRwLV98.gif)

It takes talent to screw over the same team twice. I think he'll find carrying a team to the Finals all by himself considerably more difficult in the West than in the Leastern Conference.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
If LeBron James cared about getting to the Finals next year, he wouldn’t have signed with the Lakers. He’s only in Los Angeles for his family and his brand. Without a sign and trade, Lakers are likely out of the running for DeMarcus Cousins after re-signing Kentavious Caldwell-Pope so James is betting Magic Johnson can pull a rabbit out of his hat and get him more help at the trade deadline or next summer. If nothing else, the Lakers should be more fun next season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2018, 09:47:03 PM
LeBron going to LA means they'll probably get Cousins.  Which means the Pels will likely trade Anthony Davis, resulting in us turning into the Process: South. :(
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2018, 10:02:32 PM
No way the Pelicans trade Anthony Davis unless he demands a trade. A sign and trade to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball and Luol Deng (for CBA purposes) would be better than losing Cousins for nothing. Ball is a minus shooter, but he can get the ball wherever Davis needs it. Davis is also the best pick and roll player in the league. Pair him with great passer, and there’s something to build on. I’d be more worried about Danny Ainge tossing assets at the Pelicans. No need to trade him unless he wants out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2018, 11:38:55 PM
Lakers signed Lance Stevenson ($4.5 million, room exception) and JaVale McGee  ($2.5 million, vet minimum). Oh, please bring back Nick Young.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: nickmitch on July 02, 2018, 12:03:36 AM
No way the Pelicans trade Anthony Davis unless he demands a trade. A sign and trade to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball and Luol Deng (for CBA purposes) would be better than losing Cousins for nothing. Ball is a minus shooter, but he can get the ball wherever Davis needs it. Davis is also the best pick and roll player in the league. Pair him with great passer, and there’s something to build on. I’d be more worried about Danny Ainge tossing assets at the Pelicans. No need to trade him unless he wants out.

The issue isn't if we want to keep him, but if he wants to stay in two years.  If they can pull a sign and trade, then that could work long term.  If not, we lose Cousins for nothing and in two years, we'll lose Davis for just as much.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
The Pelicans even trading for DeMarcus Cousins was worth it even if he leaves. It shows how serious ownership/front office is to improving the team.

Agreeing to a sign and trade is in the Pelicans best interest if Cousins plans to leave anyway. They’d have to take a bath on Luol Deng’s contract, but it nets them a decent young piece for the next seven years.

Anyway, my hope is for the Lakers to play chicken with the Spurs regarding Kawhi Leonard. No need to include Brandon Ingram or Kyle Kuzma, let alone both. As long as the Lakers have cap space next summer, no one is will give up anything of value. The Spurs apparently asked the Sixers for three first round picks along with some young players. Leonard wants to play in Los Angeles, especially the Lakers now that they have LeBron. If the Lakers are patient, the Spurs may end up with Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (once he’s able to be traded), Ivica Zubac, and two late first round picks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Khushrenada on July 02, 2018, 02:10:43 AM
Lakers officially signed LeBron James to a four year, $154 million deal.

Next up, DeMarcus Cousins. Come on...
(https://i.imgur.com/wRwLV98.gif)

Did Toronto pitch in to pay for half that contract? You know what the Raptors are thinking now...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ToMjGpKniGqRNLGBrhu/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2018, 09:32:03 AM
Raptors are chokers. If not Cleveland, it will be Boston or Philly. They have zero chance.


Also, LeBron signing and bringing over a bunch of old people he's played against. Where have I seen that move before?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 10:03:42 AM
Also, LeBron signing and bringing over a bunch of old people he's played against. Where have I seen that move before?
Who are you referring to? LeBron James will be the second oldest player on the Lakers after Luol Deng. Both are 33. JaVale McGee is 30, Lance Stephenson is 28, and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope is 25 (though he was on the Lakers last year). Everyone else already on the roster is 24 and under.

The three non-LeBron signings are one-year deals to keep a max slot open for next year to hold leverage over the Spurs and any team considering trading for Kawhi Leonard. LeBron James agreed to a four-year deal, giving the Lakers the luxury of time and patience. I doubt the plan is to gut the team for Leonard and sign a bunch of old, veterans minimum guys. As long as that max slot exists, it’s curtains for the Spurs. No team is desperate enough to give up decent assets to rent a currently injured player even if that player is top five. The Spurs better accept the fact that the best they can do are some draft picks and miscellaneous players to match salaries before the trade deadline in February. Stephenson and Caldwell-Pope probably gets the Lakers close enough once they’re eligible to be traded.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: broodwars on July 02, 2018, 06:31:26 PM
It must be nice to be the Lakers, able to just give the salary cap a middle finger whenever you want & throw cash at buying any big name talent at will. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 06:51:57 PM
It must be nice to be the Lakers, able to just give the salary cap a middle finger whenever you want & throw cash at buying any big name talent at will. -_-
If that was even remotely true, the Lakers wouldn’t have the lowest win percentage of any team over the last five years. Seriously, that’s mathematically true. Yes, that includes the Sixers who were actively and unabashedly trying to lose during four of those years. Jim Buss spent whole summers trying to throw money at players until his own sister fired him. Kevin Durant and just two days ago, Paul George didn’t even grant the team a free agent meeting. Are you even fucking trying? Don’t spread your fake bullshit around here, sir. I literally just countered it with simple math.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2018, 07:23:20 PM
I am having a hard time understanding the Lakers' roster moves. The only reasons I can see you wanting Rondo on your team is because a:LeBron remembers how good he played those times against him or b: they think they can cozy up to Boogie with him.


Just, why.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Shaymin on July 02, 2018, 08:39:24 PM
Man, if I'm Mark Cuban, I'm never talking to Demarcus Cousins again. One year, $5m with the Warriors.
Edit: Wrong Cousins. Welp, it's official: when the Warriors threepeat, you can blame it on the Boogie.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
Cancel the season. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Now with only Warriors because they won the title baby!!!2
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2018, 08:52:10 PM
LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on July 02, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
BTW this makes perfect sense for Boogie. He gets to rehab his achilles in a low-pressure environment and remove his bad teammate tag as well. Still, it's an intense dick move to sign below market value.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on July 02, 2018, 09:16:29 PM
He likely wanted the one year, knowing that the injury would hurt his value over a 4 or 5-year contract.  The below market price is likely due to the Warriors basically offering a free ring.

In other news, RIP Pelicans. :(
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 09:23:36 PM
Pelicans got Julius Randle, who was arguably the Lakers best player, on a below market value contract.

I kind of hate seeing players take less money. The owners make billions so I never feel bad for them from a financial standpoint. As far as DeMarcus Cousins, he probably took less money to hopefully win a ring while he rehabs and reminds the league how good he is. Many teams will have cap space next year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2018, 09:29:55 PM
Is this news considered "the rich getting richer"!?
LOL

5 All-Stars next season?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on July 02, 2018, 09:51:04 PM
Pelicans got Julius Randle, who was arguably the Lakers best player, on a below market value contract.

Best player on a trash team is still kinda meh for losing Cousins and Rondo.  But I guess we also got Elfrid Payton?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
Pelicans got Julius Randle, who was arguably the Lakers best player, on a below market value contract.

Best player on a trash team is still kinda meh for losing Cousins and Rondo.  But I guess we also got Elfrid Payton?

Elfrid finally cute that hair hat right? He might be decent when he can stop blocking his own view of the rim.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 02, 2018, 10:06:01 PM
Best player on a trash team is still kinda meh for losing Cousins and Rondo.
I’d at least look up Randle highlights before passing judgement. He was a beast last season. I’m disappointed the Lakers let Randle walk for nothing. They could have at least gotten a first round pick or something. Jebus...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ShyGuy on July 03, 2018, 01:08:52 AM
I can't believe Lebron went to the Lakers. Can they deliver a ring better than anyone else? I guess he's all about that money.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2018, 01:31:41 AM
Yes? The Lakers have won the most titles in the last what, 40 years. The Celtics won most of their championships when Bill Russell was just taller than everyone else. Regardless, I don’t think that’s why LeBron James signed. It’s better for his brand, and his family likes living in Los Angeles. The Lakers have a ton of flexibility with cap space and good, young players so they can improve relatively quickly with an all-star already there. Kawhi Leonard is currently trying to force his way specifically to the Lakers so the plan is working so far. Next summer, Luol Deng will be entering the last year of his contract which becomes an asset because there will always be a team that will trade for an expiring deal. The Lakers were never going to win this year even if they signed Paul George and/or traded for Kawhi Leonard. They’re in a good position movng forward.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2018, 02:08:43 AM
I did some reading and I think I'm all caught up on the Cuz in the Bay situation.

Pelicans floated a figure, but it wasn't the Max Contract that Boogie wanted.
He figured they were playing hard ball because of his injury. Boogie hoped to entertain other offers, but none came... Pels never made a formal offer as they felt he might not like that 3/30M offer instead of the 3/80M Max contract (made up numbers on my part to demonstrate point) so DMC said  "**** It" if no one wants to play ball because of his injury and pay him what he proved he was worth over this season, the he might as well go to the 1 place that would put him on display (and get him a ring).
He had his agent contact The Warriors.
The Warriors got Durant to take another minor discount, and they used that left over money to sign DMC to a 1year "rehab and prove yourself" contract. It was a "I'll take a HUGE paycut just to say **** YOU to the rest of the league" deal.

Warriors said he might not touch the floor till Jan/Feb
Demarcus says he's hoping to make opening night.
But on the Dubs, he has the luxury of not needing to rush back

So the Warriors happen to luck into another big player signing. Hopefully it pays dividends to DMC and the Dubs. Unfortunately, we're unlikely to see all 5 players make the All-Star Game.

Good news is that Cousins is supposedly running on the treadmill, and thinks he's further along than what's being reported.
But he doesn't need to push too hard, because word is that Damion Jones is doing great on the Warriors Summer League team, and Jordan Bell is still improving as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2018, 10:29:25 AM
Zach Lowe has a good piece on ESPN: Is DeMarcus Cousins a good fit in Golden State? (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23979341/zach-lowe-demarcus-cousins-golden-state-warriors-nba)

He raises concerns that the Warriors likely won’t be able to re-sign Cousins especially if he plays well, and he was a liability on defense even before his injury. Since Cousins likely won’t play the whole season, the Warriors are paying him to basically get into game shape for the few months then be ready for the playoffs. Sounds good to me. Even with the injury, I expected him to get a max offer. The Warriors get him for the taxpayer mid-level exception. I’d rather have DeMarcus Cousins than not have DeMarcus Cousins.

He gets a lot of flak for his temper on the court. Dude played most of his career with the Kings, arguably the worst run team in the league. I’d be angry all the time too. Off the court, besides a bar fight, he really gets involved with the community. He holds basketball camps. I vaguely recall reading Cousins once donated a bunch of money anonymously or at least very quietly, but the charity chairman outed him because they thought he deserved the credit. He may come off as a petulant child on the court, but put him in a better situation (like the Warriors) and he’ll probably be in a sounder mindspace. Good for him, and good for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
I am in the camp of this not being a very good move for the league. With Boogie signed to the Warriors it essentially makes the Warriors pretty much unbeatable at every position with Curry, Thompson, Durant, Green and Cousins their likely starting line up is going to be harder to beat than last year where aside from the Rockets really didn't have much problem in the playoffs.  With Lebron coming to the Lakers the east is going to be not really a series with most teams in the west.  Most likely a west team is going to have to take out the Warriors and that is going to be harder then it was last year where they swept the Cavs in the finals. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on July 03, 2018, 09:17:32 PM
According to Marc Stein the Lakers could have signed Boogie to virtually the same deal he got from the Warriors.

They passed.

https://deadspin.com/oh-come-on-the-lakers-passed-on-demarcus-cousins-1827332178
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
I saw that earlier and I am going to say it makes sense to pass on Boogie for that short term of a deal considering the injury.   Near the tail end of Kobe's career he had the same injury and he really didn't recover from it and wasn't 100% even after a year. Lakers do have Brook Lopez that they can resign still so as long as the Lakers get him or someone else under contract as a center then the sting should be lessened.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2018, 09:44:59 PM
As to Kawai Leonard and the Spurs, the Spurs are asking from the lakers essentially their entire young core of Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, Kyle Kuzma, 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks.   This is essentially the Carmelo Anthony trade from the Nuggets to the Knicks several years ago.  Doesn't make much sense to gut the team when you can get Leonard next season in free agency.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
I was listening to the radio this morning, and they announced that Curry and Green got signed by the Trailblazer. I kinda panicked for a moment, and then realized they meant Seth Curry, and one of 3 other Greens from some other team that no one really cares about.

Then I realized that The Lakers should have signed both of them so that Lebron could finally play with Curry and Green, then bring over Tristan so he also gets a Thompson.

and on an unrelated note regarding DMC, you know especially in the case that Cousins come back as a killer, it's better to play with him, than play against him for a year than against him.

I also find it absolutely hilarious how many interneters have RAGE QUIT the NBA over an achilles injured Cousins signing with The Warriors, who may not even play till Feb 2019, and might not even be that good when he get back on the court. (all big if's might's and may's, but still). And all of this on the same week that Lebron James not only left the the East but joined The Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2018, 10:59:29 PM
I saw that earlier and I am going to say it makes sense to pass on Boogie for that short term of a deal considering the injury.   Near the tail end of Kobe's career he had the same injury and he really didn't recover from it and wasn't 100% even after a year. Lakers do have Brook Lopez that they can resign still so as long as the Lakers get him or someone else under contract as a center then the sting should be lessened.

I think it makes sense for the Lakers to pass on him too, even at an MLE.
They are hoping to make the Playoffs.... (Conference) Finals this year. They need that slot filled from beginning of the season till the end of the season.
Warriors could afford to take the risk, because they don't actually need him, at least not right away.
They have Jordan Bell, Damion Jones as young centers. Draymond a the SB Center. Did Zaza and Javale both get released? What about West? Did he retire? and then you have Boogie whenever he's good to go. and that doesn't even account for whatever other vet comes over for the minimum 1-2 year contract
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2018, 11:14:21 PM
I saw that earlier and I am going to say it makes sense to pass on Boogie for that short term of a deal considering the injury.   Near the tail end of Kobe's career he had the same injury and he really didn't recover from it and wasn't 100% even after a year. Lakers do have Brook Lopez that they can resign still so as long as the Lakers get him or someone else under contract as a center then the sting should be lessened.

I think it makes sense for the Lakers to pass on him too, even at an MLE.
They are hoping to make the Playoffs.... (Conference) Finals this year. They need that slot filled from beginning of the season till the end of the season.
Warriors could afford to take the risk, because they don't actually need him, at least not right away.
They have Jordan Bell, Damion Jones as young centers. Draymond a the SB Center. Did Zaza and Javale both get released? What about West? Did he retire? and then you have Boogie whenever he's good to go. and that doesn't even account for whatever other vet comes over for the minimum 1-2 year contract

Looks like no one has signed West yet and he is a unrestricted free agent, Zaza is in the same boat as West unsigned and unrestricted. I do know that JaVale got sent to the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2018, 11:15:42 PM
Regarding Marc Stein’s report, my only guess is that the Lakers didn’t sign DeMarcus Cousins because they want that salary for trade deadline moves. Without a trade, the Lakers are not contending this year. If any of Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Lance Stephenson, or Rajon Rondo play well this year especially with the LeBron Bump ®, they may be flipped to a contender for a pick which can then be attached to Luol Deng next summer. Trading Deng without taking salary back would give the Lakers around $41 million in cap space next summer. They can’t do any of that with Cousins not playing. And they may want to sign him long-term later so they can’t disrespect him by using him as trade bait. Right now, it’s all about keeping their cap space open to put the pressure on the Spurs who are hilariously asking for Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, Josh Hart, two first round picks, and two swaps in a Kawhi Leonard trade.

I don’t understand why people are freaking out about Cousins to the Warriors. First, the Warriors likely can’t re-sign him. The most they can offer next summer unless they lose both Durant and Thompson is the same mid-level exception multiplied by 1.25. Cousins took a discount since he was coming off a devastating injury. Second, he won’t be good next year; he’ll be fine. The Warriors are so good that they don’t need him to be All-Star Cousins. You take talent when you can get it. However, I feel like JaVale McGee was a better fit. He’s an energy guy who hustles on defense and can usually make easy buckets when defenses collapse on literally anyone else. Cousins isn’t that guy. When healthy, he’s an elite offensive player. The Warriors don’t need more offense. Their defense relies on switching. Cousins, especially working his way back from injury, is a highly exploitable weak link on defense. That won’t be a problem against most teams. It will be against James Harden and Chris Paul.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2018, 11:43:00 PM
I think the main reason there is the uproar over Cousins going to the Warriors is that it is setting a precident for the future with things going forward. What I mean is Cousins is a in their prime all-star and he took a pay cut essentially to get a ring most likely.  I mean this whole thing kinda started with LeBron when he went to Miami with Bosh and Wade. An all-star in Wade and Bosh and a top 5 player of all time in LeBron. Then Durant lost to the Warriors when he was on the Thunder and then the next season joined the Warriors and there was that backlash of joining a stacked team that were the NBA champions. Then this off season Boogie joined the warriors for a MLE after losing to the Warriors in the second round with Anthony Davis who pretty much brought the Pelicans to the 6th seed while Cousins was recovering.   

So yeah it is pretty multi tiered why people are upset at Cousins joining the Warriors. TLDR: Left to go to the stacked world champ, Left Anthony Davis hanging after during the season they were really clicking together before Boogie got injured and pretty much signing to the champs to get a ring most likely.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 04, 2018, 01:18:33 AM
I understand the knee jerk reaction to hearing another all-star joining the Warriors. However, this doesn’t push the needle much for an already great team. I’ve already explained why this both helps and hurts the Warriors so I don’t want to go over that again. The most important bit is that he’s a one year rental. The Warriors don’t have the cap space to re-sign him long-term for the money he wants. The only reason Cousins had his agent call the Warriors is because no one else wanted him coming off an injury. He wanted a max offer from The Pelicans. They offered him $40 million for two years with a second year team option. He refused. He has wanted to join the Lakers for years. They refused (for now) because they want Kawhi Leonard.

Cousins is betting on himself to get back to somewhere close to his old form. Joining a team that doesn’t really need him to win games allows him to come back at his own pace. If he proves that he can play at a high level in the playoffs, he gets to re-enter the free agent market next summer when more teams have cap space.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 04, 2018, 01:54:29 AM
I understand the knee jerk reaction to hearing another all-star joining the Warriors. However, this doesn’t push the needle much for an already great team. I’ve already explained why this both helps and hurts the Warriors so I don’t want to go over that again. The most important bit is that he’s a one year rental. The Warriors don’t have the cap space to re-sign him long-term for the money he wants. The only reason Cousins had his agent call the Warriors is because no one else wanted him coming off an injury. He wanted a max offer from The Pelicans. They offered him $40 million for two years with a second year team option. He refused. He has wanted to join the Lakers for years. They refused (for now) because they want Kawhi Leonard.

Cousins is betting on himself to get back to somewhere close to his old form. Joining a team that doesn’t really need him to win games allows him to come back at his own pace. If he proves that he can play at a high level in the playoffs, he gets to re-enter the free agent market next summer when more teams have cap space.
I agree with you on all that.  I am just saying for this season that he is on the Warriors it is going to be pretty much a lock for the warriors to win again. Out east currently I would say the Celtics, 76ers and the Raptors are looking like are coming out of the East as the Finals representitive most likely now that LeBron is out of the East but it is likely none of those can compete with the Warriors. 

  We shall see what happens with free agency, trades and the like and see what happens from here. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on July 04, 2018, 03:08:33 AM
Looney signed for the minimum so I don't see West or Zaza returning.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on July 04, 2018, 12:31:32 PM
Between salary and the luxury tax, we have the first $300m team in NBA history.

And it's not the Lakers. No, it's... the Zombie Sonics.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ShyGuy on July 04, 2018, 12:44:32 PM
Weren't the Sonics supposed to come back at one point?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 04, 2018, 03:46:28 PM
Weren't the Sonics supposed to come back at one point?

At some point yes.   If the NBA expands the teams two more teams the Sonics are one of the teams most likely to come about from that decision. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 04, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
This is hilarious.
https://mobile.twitter.com/espn/status/1014351716878340097/video/1

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xP7libTZo

And I think if they expand, Seattle and Las Vegas  are the 2 most likely expansion locations.
And this would likely move Memphis Grizz back to the East where they belong.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 04, 2018, 10:48:03 PM
BNM that video is so on point.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 04, 2018, 11:21:55 PM
This is hilarious.
https://mobile.twitter.com/espn/status/1014351716878340097/video/1

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xP7libTZo
BNM that video is so on point.

#accuratereenactment

The best part was after the fade to black.

"Real G's move in silence, like in Lasagna"
"The whole league out here playing checkers... We out here playing Chess"
"What did LeBron say!?.... Not 1, Not 2... Not 3, you were prophecizing , just about us!!"

LMAO
The whole video was very on point for reactions around the league.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2018, 04:29:17 PM
Looks like the Thunder is stretching Melo out of OKC to save some money in their luxury tax.   

Looks like the Lakers, Trailblazers, Rockets or the Heat could be options for Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 07, 2018, 01:38:33 AM
He'd be lucky if any of them were interested.
Luckily the Rockets were, according to sources. ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 18, 2018, 09:01:20 AM
Per ESPN, Raptors agree to deal to acquire Spurs' Kawhi Leonard for DeMar DeRozan (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128461/toronto-raptors-agree-deal-acquire-kawhi-leonard-trade-involves-demar-derozan)

Unsurprisingly, neither player is enthusiastic about the deal.

This is probably the best deal the Spurs could hope for especially if the they can get a pick. If I’m the the Raptors, I’d push for a pick from the Spurs since DeRozan has three years left on his deal. Everyone knows Leonard doesn’t want to be in San Antonio. He also doesn’t want to be in Toronto.

This is not that risky for the Raptors. Even after LeBron James left the East, they had a very tiny window to even get to the Finals with a roster led by Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan. They were going to have to rebuild in a couple years anyway. Leonard is a much better player so they’re throwing a Hail Mary, and if it yields a championship (it won’t), great. If it doesn’t, they get off DeRozan’s money sooner. Either way, making a bold move like this is good for their front office. It shows free agents how serious the team is about trying to win.

I’m really glad the Lakers didn’t pull the trigger on a trade. Chasing Kawhi Leonard probably cost them a meeting with Paul George (try explaining to a marquee free agent that he’ll have to change the way he plays to be the third option). Two weeks before free agency, the Lakers found out they were not only in play for Leonard but were the favorites. They chose to focus on Kawhi Leonard. 100 times out of 100, you make that choice. I still think Kawhi Leonard ends up on the Lakers next year, possibly before the trade deadline. The Raptors know where they stand now, but I don’t think they’ll let him walk for nothing. They either get a commitment from him or they start tanking midseason.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on July 18, 2018, 11:00:51 AM
Congrats to Toronto. Even without LeBron in your conference, you still find ways to own yourselves.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 18, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Congrats to Toronto. Even without LeBron in your conference, you still find ways to own yourselves.
The trade is defensible, but I still laughed out loud in the middle of work. Bravo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on July 18, 2018, 12:47:24 PM
Spurs are getting a protected 2019 pick out of it too.  Pretty solid trade for them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on July 18, 2018, 01:42:57 PM
The only way this works for Toronto is if they immediately trade Kawhi to the Lakers and manage to get 2 of their young core and a pick. Then they suddenly get younger and have more potential down the line.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on July 18, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
The Lakers aren’t willing to trade their young core. Otherwise, they would already have Kawhi Leonard. Brandon Ingram isn’t as good as Paul George, but he’s about as good as they’d need a third option to be. The Lakers are right to wait it out and either sign Leonard as a free agent or trade significantly fewer assets. They signed a bunch of one-year deals and let Julius Randle walk just to have that leverage.

I doubt the Raptors believe they’re keeping Kawhi Leonard. They just knew they weren’t winning with DeMar DeRozan as their best player. They’ll make a run this year with a hopefully healthy Kawhi Leonard, but the team was always headed for a rebuild with or without him. Teams rebuild with draft picks and cap space. When/if they lose Leonard, they can use cap space to absorb a bad contract for picks. The Raptors are a treadmill team in the East. Masai Ujiri is betting by the time the Raptors are good again, the Warriors won’t be.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on July 18, 2018, 06:31:54 PM
Bit disappointed in the Jazz this off-season. They basically resigned almost everyone from last year except a few 3rd-stringers they've already replaced with Summer League players. They resigned Favors, so that's great. But we basically didn't get any better during the off-season aside from drafting a promising new point guard.
I wonder if we'll see them more active on the Trading Circuit as the season goes on.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 18, 2018, 07:17:37 PM
This trade for Kawhi by the Raptors I think was the best anyone could offer that both sides would agree on. 

Raptors get Kawhi and Danny Green. Spurs get DeMar Dorzan, Jacob Poetli, and a protected 1-20 2019 first round pick which after 1 year will turn into two 2nd round picks.


One thing that I think makes this trade a little one sided long term is that the Raptors traded Dorzan who might have had been able to keep Kawhi around after the year but that isn't likely now.   This trade is most likely just to get an wing in Green and cap space after Kawhi's year is up.   


It will make the east a bit more interesting to watch now with the Raptors, 76ers, and Celtics most likely coming out at title contenders in the east.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 19, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
Looks like the Thunder traded Melo to the Hawks and it looks like they are going to waive him so he can go to the Rockets.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2018/7/19/17590136/atlanta-hawks-trade-dennis-schroder-oklahoma-city-thunder-carmelo-anthony-mike-muscala-trae-young
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 10, 2018, 10:43:45 PM
NBA Game Schedule is out.
http://stats.nba.com/schedule/

Here is Opening Night:
(https://i.imgur.com/NJbrxMg.png)

KD gets his 2nd ring right before tip-off infront of Westbrook.

Warriors face off against Lebron and the Lakers on X-Mas and MLK Day

Televised games list is out too
(https://i.imgur.com/r2xHFwp.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on August 10, 2018, 11:01:22 PM
Honestly none of the teams that have 1 game on national TV deserve it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on August 10, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
Honestly none of the teams that have 1 game on national TV deserve it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 11, 2018, 01:14:38 AM
Honestly none of the teams that have 1 game on national TV deserve it.

What about the team that has 2?

And I wonder who those 1 games are against.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on August 11, 2018, 09:25:08 AM
Still kind of weird to see a Canadian team in the upper third of that list or thereabouts. Time to see how much of a draw Leonard really is.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on August 11, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
Honestly none of the teams that have 1 game on national TV deserve it.

What about the team that has 2?

And I wonder who those 1 games are against.


That Cleveland vs Brooklyn game right before the All-Star break is just what the NBA needs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on October 06, 2018, 09:49:01 AM
Kevin Durant did a cool thing last night in an NBA Preseason game in Seattle.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do0Zr00UYAAb8H0.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 21, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
Suspensions have been handed out for last night’s fight during the Lakers/Rockets game.

Brandon Ingram: Four games
Rajon Rondo: Three games
Chris Paul: Two games

Source (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25047465/multiple-suspensions-lakers-rockets-scuffle)

Those suspensions are fair. There’s no place for this during the game. If someone disrespects you, let them hear it, get a technical foul if you don’t mind the fine. Want to settle something? Win the game. When guys start throwing punches, you’re letting your teammates and the fans down because there’s only one outcome: the league is going to thrown the suspension hammer. And it’s just a bad look for the players, the team, and the league.

I don’t know what the **** Brandon Ingram was doing. His behavior was completely out of character. He’s normally like the chillest, quietest player in the league. Dude hit a game winner last year and just casually jogged back to the bench. This year, he’s throwing hands in the second game. I get that James Harden gets superstar treatment from the refs and will get the foul call nine times out of 10, but the Lakers have LeBron James so it evens out. Last night was a completely winnable game. Ingram is the Lakers second best player so there’s no time for that. He’s going to miss games against the Spurs, Suns, Nuggets, and Spurs again. They should win against the Suns either way, but James is going to have to be playoff-LeBron for the Lakers to have a chance to win the other three. It’s too early in the season for that. There’s a possibility the Lakers start 0-6 or 1-5. Was it worth it?

James putting his arm around Paul was bad optics but completely acceptable as far as I’m concerned. If he can use his friendship to de-escalate the situation, I’d rather see that happen. NBA fights are never good anyway. Rondo and Paul each connected, but players usually don’t. They’re either saddest fights ever or it’s Ron Artest running into the stands.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on October 23, 2018, 12:28:08 AM
I think Chris Paul deserved as many, if not more than, as many games as Rondo.  Sure, Rondo threw the first punch, but CP3 shoved his hands in Rondo's face.  That triggered the fighting (I mean, other than the push by Ingram on Harden, who walked away).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2018, 12:58:45 AM
Rondo spit in CP3's face.
then CP3 put his finger in Rondo's face before doing a face shove
Then Rondo tried to tune him up a little
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on October 23, 2018, 07:25:05 PM
Oh, I didn't see that Rondo spit at CP3. Ok, that makes more sense now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2018, 01:27:16 AM
https://youtu.be/29pOfkYoXEI


Definitely some Rondo spit.
If Ingram was smart though, he would've punched Harden hoping he fought back too. Not that Harden deserved to be involved,  but if you gonna leave your team at a disadvantage,  you should leave the other team in similar or worse shape.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on October 25, 2018, 11:51:56 PM
Hm, I’m not sold that it was an intentional spitting. I was expecting something more like that episode of Flavor of Love.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2018, 12:19:02 AM
Intentional or not,  he sprayed spit.

But let's talk about UMVP Curry last night.  Whoooooo
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2018, 08:24:07 AM
Well, at the end of all that, the Rockets got to feel what it was like being on the Jazz last year, since the Jazz roasted the Rockets a few days later with Paul out & 2 others on injury.

Not how you would want to get a win, but the Jazz didn't get the best start this year so I'll take a win where I can get it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
I was gonna edit this into my post, but broodwars just had to go and post ::rolleyes:: :P

anyway, the most exciting player in the NBA is coming for that #3 spot
(https://i.imgur.com/W4e4q96.png)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/OkVMmBQwRKEsU/giphy.gif)

Korver & Jason Terry officially on notice. The question, is how close to the #2 spot can he get before the season is over?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
So who wants to predict the Top 8 in the East and the West (we'll do a re-vote in Jan)

and just for fun, since the All-Star break is Top Voter Getter in The East vs Top Vote Getter in the West
Who will be the Team Captain for The East and The West?

Will Kawaii lead the east in votes? or does Embiid run that campaign to a win?
Will Lebron get more votes in the West than Curry? (that could be drama. lol)

I'll edit later with a Top 8 for the East v West Playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
Honestly, I don't know or care enough about the current make-up of more than 2-3 teams in the league to make an educated guess, especially when it comes to the Leastern Conference, where none of the teams are going to win the championship anyway.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on October 26, 2018, 07:42:16 PM
LeBron should get more votes than Curry.  He has a chance to bring yet another garbage tem to playoff contention, and I think the "new chapter" of his narrative should hit the reset button on LeBron fatigue.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 26, 2018, 11:06:14 PM
Wait, Demarcus Cousins got ejected from a game, and he isn’t on the active roster yet. How is that even possible, Boogie?

James will get more votes than Curry just for being on the Lakers. I don’t mean to sound like a homer; this is just the way it is. These are the same people who gave Lonzo Ball more votes than Damian Lillard which is absurd. Lillard is at least a top 20 player.

I don’t have the brain space to list a top eight right now. And teams can change so much around the trade deadline and when players are released/bought out. Does anyone think Tyson Chandler and/or Trevor Ariza make it to March still wearing Suns uniforms? I bet the Lakers are just biding their time until Chandler is bought out because JaVale McGee’s current backup is an undrafted rookie on a two-way contract.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2018, 11:20:32 PM
Durantula!!! OMG
25 in the fourth.  That missed 3 that bounced right to a wide open Curry that drained it. #deathdagger

Durant had more in the 4th alone,  than the Knicks leading scorer had the entire game.  LMAO
#curryshrug

Eastern Conference:
1. Toronto
2. Boston
3. ...Philly (edit: I'm so embarrassed I forgot about Embiid. LOL)
4. Who else is on the East?
5. Oh yeah, the Bucks
6. Pacers
7. .... hmmmm
8. Pistons... almost forgot about them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
Honestly, how do you watch this and not get HYPED?

I'm literally sitting here with a smaile on my face rewatching highlights from this game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8E0t0pigLU

Just the look on the Wizards face when Steph throws up the Rainbow Arch layup after the foul... HAHAHA


This is Dubs Era Basketball at it's finest.
I feel like it's gonna be a fun season.... especially as soon as Klay either conquers the beard, or shaves it to unleash the beast.

....oh an then add Boogie to he mix. #ruinthegame LMAO
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 27, 2018, 01:34:26 PM
The three pointer at 1:43 barely touched the net. Jebus...

I don’t think DeMarcus Cousins makes much of an impact this year coming off a ruptured achilles. He’s going to miss most of the year then need an entire calendar year after that to really be effective. Then again, the Warriors don’t need him to be an impact player, and it’s better to have DeMarcus Cousins than not have him. I expect him to have moments this year which, for the Warriors, is a bonus more than anything.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2018, 02:08:20 PM
Since I know everyone is pressed for time and can't follow all the games.

the most exciting game to watch tomorrow will be the Raptors v Bucks game @ 5pm PST
Both teams are 6-0
Kawhi vs Giannis - both are angling for MVP season, and that type of performance will be needed
One of these teams have to walk away with their first loss for the season.

The Dubs are on the back end of another back2back, this time against the Bulls, but I'm 120% sure the Bucks/Raps game is gonna be LIT and therefore the game to watch.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2018, 09:21:11 PM
I didn't see it mentioned,  but Tyrone Lue and the assistant coach of the Cavs both got fired today.
K. Love also signed a 4yr $120M extension.
And TT claims that even though the Cavs are 0-6 to start the season, the other Eastern teams have nothing on them because they are still the 4x East Conference Finals Champs.

Nothing but good things happening in Cleveland right now.  No need to worry.  :P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 28, 2018, 09:22:41 PM
The wrong Cleveland coach got fired.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2018, 11:12:05 PM
(previous post I just realized was never submitted.....)
Halftime of the Dubs Nets game.... Currry with a new NBA 3pt Record.

Most consecutive games w/ 5+ 3pts made = 7

Unfortunately, Klay is really struggling right now. I really think he may have to shave the beard Tuesday night before the New Orleans game. This will allow him to grow it back during the season and develop his game w/ the beard in development. LOL
The beard will then be back at full strength for the X-Mas Lakers game against Lebron.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 29, 2018, 04:31:56 PM

You’re welcome (https://youtu.be/2yf35s55Uyg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2018, 06:04:32 PM
Since I know everyone is pressed for time and can't follow all the games.

the most exciting game to watch tomorrow will be the Raptors v Bucks game @ 5pm PST
Both teams are 6-0
Kawhi vs Giannis - both are angling for MVP season, and that type of performance will be needed
One of these teams have to walk away with their first loss for the season.

The Dubs are on the back end of another back2back, this time against the Bulls, but I'm 120% sure the Bucks/Raps game is gonna be LIT and therefore the game to watch.

I hope Adam Silver sees fit to rule this rest day out.

(https://i.imgur.com/XTAMFJV.png)

That was gonna be the most HYPE game of the night..... :/
Better put that money on the Bucks tonight.

I thought they ruled out unnecessary rest days on away games for the good of the product.
Kawhi ain't hurt, I hope he plays tonight.

[edit] Nevermind...

I forgot Giannis took a elbow to the head the other night...
(https://i.imgur.com/PMA3GcH.png)

No Freak No Klaw No Care No Watch

Warrior game got my full attention tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2018, 08:32:27 PM
Ooh **** y'all. KLAY IS 6 FOR 7 FROM 3 AND WE STILL IN THE 1ST QUARTER!!!!

22pts 🔥🔥🔥
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on October 29, 2018, 09:02:58 PM
Did he shave his beard?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 29, 2018, 09:31:46 PM
It's been ruled that the Warriors must pay off the $40 million debt owed to the Oracle Arena before they move to San Francisco.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/29/aribrator-golden-state-warriors-must-pay-off-oracle-arena-debt/ (https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/29/aribrator-golden-state-warriors-must-pay-off-oracle-arena-debt/)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 29, 2018, 09:41:59 PM
Rename this “The Warriors Thread.”
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 29, 2018, 09:48:29 PM
Rename this “The Warriors Thread.”

Why not? Clearly, they already bought another championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 29, 2018, 11:43:48 PM
Did he shave his beard?

nope.

Broke the NBA 3pt Record w/ 14 threes
and then then Kerr immediately removed all the starters from the building.

We had to watch the end of the bench struggle to make 3 threes to set another 3pt record (most by a team in a single game), and they failed to do that....
it could've easily been done, had Curry just got his 5, instead of diverting EVERYTHING to Klay when Klay was set to break the record before the 3rd was over.

Fun to watch though.

92-50 at the half
I think Klay was 8/10 from 3 at that point.

If the starters had finished the 3rd Qtr, it would've been three 40pt quarters in a row. NBA Team 3pt record broken, and the Bulls retired from professional basketball for the rest of the 2018/2019 season.

At one point in the game, the announcers stated that the Warriors had just as many 3ptrs made as the Bulls had field goals period.... it was an absolute blood bath.
DO NOT let the final score fool you, becuase it should have been much much worse.
The starters got pulled with around 4-5 minutes left in the 3rd I think. 40something point lead at that point.

(https://i.imgur.com/0jnS9G8.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Egqn3dw.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2018, 11:43:36 AM
Games to keep an eye on tonight (because who's got time to watch them all?)

Pistons v Celtic
Blake Griffin is in his best form at the start of this season. His last game wasn't that hot, but he's been on early MVP campaign for the first few games played.
Kyrie and Hayward are still getting it together, and Taytum is a rising start, but the C's are still a solid squad.
Should be a good game


I'd also say the 76ers v Raptors, but I fully expect Kawhi & Lowry to dismantle Simmons and Embiid.
It might be a good game, but I'm expecting a Raptor win here. 76ers haven't quite found that cohesiveness they had in the last run of last season. Meanwhile Kahwi playing like he has a point to prove.

No other games really seem noteworthy, unless you care to see Westbrick force another loss on the Thunder... not that PG13 is doing much to help turn it into a win either.
or Maybe watch Dame Dolla blaze a trail straight through Houston, assuming Harden is still out. If Harden is back, then this could be a game to tune into for a bit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
Rename this “The Warriors Thread.”
Rename this “The Warriors Thread.”

Why not? Clearly, they already bought another championship.

Haters gonna hate.

The most ELECTRIFYING team in Sports today, and you both seem a little salty about it. LOL

Revising my East standing....
Probably a little early for this. Need atleast 20/25 games to get a real feel for how the teams are playing, but it's not like this matters for anything.

1. Raptors
2. Bucks
3. Celtics
4. 76ers
5. Pacers
6. Pistons
7. Heat ?
8. Hornets ?

Super early predictions here, and I'm not so sure on 7 & 8
I feel like the Top 6 in the East have a real good shot at playoff standings assuming their seasons don't see something tragic happen. Not sure on the order, but I feel those 6 will stay in play in some position come playoff time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2018, 02:28:24 PM
It was a joke though there’s a grain of truth to every joke. For an NBA thread, it’s largely about one team. I’ve joined in many Warriors discussions here and rooted for them each of the last four years. I even watched and commented on the video you shared of Curry going off a few days ago so your dig about being salty is more than a little dismissive. You’re better than that, man.

I’ll watch highlights of Klay Thompson breaking the three-point record, but the vast majority of the time, I have no interest in watching one team dismantle another. The Warriors were up by like 40 points. Blowouts are hella boring to me.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2018, 03:12:38 PM
It was a joke though there’s a grain of truth to every joke. For an NBA thread, it’s largely about one team. I’ve joined in many Warriors discussions here and rooted for them each of the last four years. I even watched and commented on the video you shared of Curry going off a few days ago so your dig about being salty is more than a little dismissive. You’re better than that, man.

I’ll watch highlights of Klay Thompson breaking the three-point record, but the vast majority of the time, I have no interest in watching one team dismantle another. The Warriors were up by like 40 points. Blowouts are hella boring to me.

Yeah, same here. I've made no secret that I only really follow one team, and it doesn't help that for the last decade it's felt like all the talent in the league was consolidating into the same 3-4 teams, and those 3-4 teams win most of their games in blowouts. I just don't find that interesting.  So yes, seeing a team that was already stupidly overpowered get even more so during the off season doesn't make them any more interesting to watch from a non-Warriors fan standpoint.

The league would be better and healthier if teams like the current Warriors were not allowed to exist and the talent pool was more evenly spread throughout the league, at least when it comes to free agency. Why even bother having a season & playoffs if the winners have pretty much already been predetermined, barring injury?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2018, 04:08:14 PM
The Warriors built their team fair and square so I have no qualms there. The planets aligned to snag Kevin Durant in free agency. Think about all things that had to happen including but not limited to:

1. The league signs a major television deal.
2. The NBPA rejects cap smoothing meaning teams gained hella cap space summer 2016.
3. Draymond Green gets suspended in the Finals instead of the Western Conference Finals; Cavs win.
4. Kevin Durant shrugs at all the criticism of joining a 73-win team that knocked him out of the playoffs and takes a pay cut.

I don’t think DeMarcus Cousins moves the needle for this team. He’ll be injured for most of it. If anyone wants to be mad at any team for that signing, blame the Lakers because that’s where he wanted to go. Magic Johnson was like, “Nah, Michael Beasley 4ever. LOL!” No one wanted to sign Cousins coming off that injury so he had his agent call the Warriors.

Ultimately, I don’t care if the Warriors win. I just want competitive basketball.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2018, 08:46:05 PM
 for the record,  i was just giving you two ****.  I know it was a half sarcastic remark.
Sarcasm is hard to pick up,  just assume it's always applies to my post... except when they don't ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2018, 05:05:06 PM
Because we don't all have time to watch every game, there is only 1 game worth watching tonight.

Warriors vs Pelicans

AD has been a BEAST this season, but will he and the Pels be enough to stop of the Dubs from taking turns at repeatedly putting that little orange ball through the rim in fun and exciting ways?
Probably not, but who knows if the Dubs will have a classic COLD game. it will be a good game regardless.


another game to keep an eye on will be the Jazz v Timberwolves.
Apparently Jimmy Butler is sitting this one out (trying to force a trade? Rockets are apparently ready to bet their future on his 1yr contact for this season....), so who knows how it will play out. I'd put my money on the Jazz tho.

(https://i.imgur.com/UqGUjmp.jpg)

Butler denies it's for a forced trade, but instead rest....
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2803795-jimmy-butler-rumors-sg-could-sit-out-for-extended-time-to-try-to-force-trade

[edit]

Happy Halloween from The Warriors
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dq2UijfUUAAzXKg?format=jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2018, 11:23:59 PM
Derrick Rose dropped 50 points on the Jazz. What year is this?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2018, 11:54:31 PM
Derrick Rose dropped 50 points on the Jazz. What year is this?

The Jazz, unfortunately, have a long & proud history of certain players inexplicably going off for career nights against them. I seem to remember Linus Kleiza going off for ridiculous nights on the Nuggets when they played the Jazz.

Edit: Ah, Donovan Mitchell went out of the game in the 4th quarter with a Hamstring Injury. That explains a lot. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
I was shocked.... good thing I didn't bet.

D. Rose running MVP game in the year 2018
who saw that coming? I didn't watch the game, but saw the score updates....
D. Mitchell mst've went out early in the 4th, but D Rose was going off all game long.
kinda hurting that Butler argument "You can't win without me!!"
I know D. Rose can't do that on a nightly basis... but... what if he found his mojo on this squad?
I just watched the highlights and damn, dude was doing it last night. Career high 50 for the 2011 MVP. I know we won't likely see that kinda performance from him again, but I'm glad he had a good night.

In other NBA news....
The Lakers barely beat the Mavs - Lebron is struggling with this crew.
It's early in the season though. No reason to panic yet. but they do have the same record as The Nets. LOL

Somehow the Nets beat the Pistons. I guess Blake Griffin had another off night?
Every one of the starters for the Pistons were a minus... yet they only barely lost.

The Nuggets barely scrape by the Bulls in OT.

and Derozan seems to have found a new home on the Spurs. They slaughtered the Suns early on. But it looks like Booker was out again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2018, 10:29:18 PM
Damn, the Lakers look TERRIBLE.

I wonder if Lebron sometimes wonders how things could've been had he gone to Philly instead....

It looks like that stern talk down from Jeannie to Magic to Luke to the players didn't have the effect that was expected....
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 03, 2018, 10:42:58 PM
I’m currently watching Daredevil, not the game (DD just caught a baton in the air). I just checked the score, and the Lakers are down by one. If they look as bad as you say, what the hell are the Blazers doing?

Semi-related, according to Adrian Wojnarowski, Tyson Chandler is getting bought out by the Suns and will join the Lakers upon clearing waivers. Hey, I got one right. If Chandler can give the team 15 to 20 minutes and just rebound and play defense, it will help tremendously. He’s 36. No need to ask him for more than that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2018, 12:08:22 AM
it was 1st quarter when I posted that. Since the, they've managed to look like they play together.
The 1st quarter was pretty horrendous as far as "team basketball" goes. They looked like they never play together, had no idea what the other person was gonna do, or had no actual play to run.

Things seemed to improve in the 2nd quarter. It's like they are still trying to figure out their lineups, and who should be subbed out and when.

2nd unit in the 3rd & 4th was killing it just now though.
Blazers seemed to fall apart offensively for a while and Lakers took advantage and built a nice sized lead. We'll see if they can close this out for their 1st win in Portland in quite a while.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
Blazers seemed to fall apart offensively for a while and Lakers took advantage and built a nice sized lead. We'll see if they can close this out for their 1st win in Portland in quite a while.
The Lakers were up by 20 points before the Blazers cut it to six. They’re still having trouble closing out games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2018, 12:45:16 AM
Blazers seemed to fall apart offensively for a while and Lakers took advantage and built a nice sized lead. We'll see if they can close this out for their 1st win in Portland in quite a while.
The Lakers were up by 20 points before the Blazers cut it to six. They’re still having trouble closing out games.

They pulled it off. broke a 16 game vs Portland losing streak.
Barely held on to it. As soon as the starters came back in, Portland started erasing that 20pt lead quickly.
Brandon Ingram looked lost on defense every single time. He was a major reason the lead got erased so quickly.
but JAVALE MCGEE will be the Lakers MVP. LOL
Rondo was killing it for while too though, but I wanna give props to McGee!!!!
He had 6 blocks and currently leading the NBA in that area.
averaging probably close to 3.5 blocks per game. It's the YEAR OF MCGEE in LA.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2018, 12:57:58 AM
I originally edited my previous post so I’ll just reply here:

A win is a win, but that was ugly as usual. Their gameplan is basically run and run some more. They’re kind of a mess out there. They can build these leads, but running isn’t sustainable if that’s all they do. Nine games into the season, they’re going to wear LeBron James out with this style of play. He’s turning 34. Magic Johnson better hope he signs Kevin Durant or Kawhi Leonard next summer because letting Julius Randle and Brook Lopez walk in free agency is a bad look right now. There would be much more cohesion with those two still on the team.

JaVale McGee is weirdly the best value contract in the league right now. The way he’s playing is pretty much why I’ve been saying the Warriors would have been better off with him than DeMarcus Cousins this year. Still, the Lakers are also running McGee I to the ground so it will be good to give Tyson Chandler some of those minutes.

Elsewhere, Victor Oladipo hit a game winner against the Celtics. I was wrong about that trade too. Pacers are looking good this year. Oladipo won the game, but the Celtics probably win the East. Alright, back to Daredevil.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2018, 01:41:58 AM
Lebron putting Javale's name in the DPOY candidacy hat this year.

(https://i.imgur.com/ptxVOLS.png)

Draymond better step up his block game, if he's angling for that same award.
He got aspirations of a Super Maxx when his contract is up. DPOY makes that possible.

[edit] p.s. Dray is likely the runaway front runner so far this year. But it's early in the season.
We'll have to see if he can keep it up all year long.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 04, 2018, 04:05:20 PM
2 potential good games today.

1st one started 20 minutes ago
Kings vs Bucks

Yes, I am promoting a Kings game. They may actually have a squad worth watching from time to time this year. D'Aaron Fox  has supposedly been holding his own in his rookie year. Not likely a contender this year, but possibly enough of an irritant to give Giannis and the Bucks a challenge 3 Qtrs.

[edit]this game got out of hand a little quickly..... thought the Kings would put a better fight early on.


The other game is the Raptors Lakers game. Not because I think the Lakers will win, but because they REALLY REALLY REALLY need to. Luke Walton barely held on to one last night, it will interesting to see how the Lakers fare against a superior squad led by Kawhi, with new found motivations to win or possibly get their coach fired... and a certain player or 3 traded for a "Jimmy Butler" as soon as it's possible.
Kawhi don't care about none of that though. I expect him to give the Lakers spotty defense and uncoordinated offense a whole lot of trouble.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2018, 08:29:36 PM
The Kings got worked. 33 point loss.

Talk of Luke Walton losing his job is overstated. Magic Johnson’s managerial style is apparently to yell a lot. Analysts like Stephen A. Smith like to point out Walton wasn’t Johnson’s hire. That ignores the fact that Walton was the best and most sought after coach when he took the job. He was the Lakers’ first marquee signing in years. More importantly, Jeanie Buss has his back. She’s always been big on the Lakers as a family, taking care of their own and all that. To me, that’s kind of eye roll worthy, but the important thing is she believes it. Walton was part of two championship Lakers teams and known for coaching the Warriors to 39-4, the best start in league history. Who would Johnson/Pelinka replace Walton with anyway? They want fast pace and ball movement. Who is available who is better than Walton right now?

EDIT: Lakers are by 20 in the first quarter to a team without its best player. Jebus...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2018, 04:43:04 AM
Did Kawhi not even play?
It looks like Lebron did play though.... I wasn't able to watch the game, but saw the score in the 1st quarter an immediately lost interest.

That's just embarrassing. Lakers had 2 black eyes in the 1st quarter.
I mean I knew the Raps were a better squad, but Lebron can't let that kinda **** happen when Kawhi wasn't even on the court. It was a back to back, but regardless... just embarrassing.

[edit] some interesting info here:
(https://i.imgur.com/EBJx4w9.png)

The Lakers score more with Lebron on the bench

(https://i.imgur.com/5ZXyHjP.png)

Warriors and Cavs on opposite ends of the spectrum here.

not sure if this is saying the exact same thing or not...
(https://i.imgur.com/1aElyQz.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
So many potentially good games to watch tonight.

(https://i.imgur.com/fsYhyiG.png)

Can the #4 Grizz D slow down the #1 Dubs O?
and I think we all know the reason the Warriors aren't rated higher defensively, is because the 2nd/3rd unit is playing a majority of quite a few of these 4th quarters.

Can the Raps put on an offensive assault on the Jazz like they did again the Lakers last night?
DPOY 2017 would like to think he can shut that nonsense down. D. Mitchell should also be ready to get some tonight too. They will have to face Kawhi tonight though, as he is expected to play.

Celtics Nuggets. Kyrie seems to have gotten his mojo back, and being one of the expected Top3 teams in the East, they are gonna want this win against a Top5 rated West team. (I never did do a Western Conference ranking....)

Pels v Thunder. AD has kinda been in a slump since coming back from the elbow injury, but no better time to flex than again Westbrook and the Thunder. WB aint ever taking it easy, and when AD is on, he is not an easy cover. I expect this to be a good battle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 08, 2018, 10:53:38 AM
Derrick Rose dropped 31 points and hit a career high seven three-pointers. I still cringe to that fact that he apparently didn’t know what “consent” means. However, this is one of my low key most intriguing stories of the season. Everyone thought he was washed, but he’s been putting up some decent games. He’s never be MVP Rose again though he’s showing he has something left in the tank.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2018, 12:08:17 PM
He's angling for a back-up/replacement All-Star Rose though.

He was soooo close to a game winner 3 too.
Lebron should be ashamed. If it wasn't for Tyson Chandler, Lakers take another L.

Laker MVP McGee has to be sweating a little rn.


tonights game to watch is now Warriors vs Bucks
should be a really fun one to watch for at least 3+ quarters.

and I was just listening to NBA Radio, and they brought up the All-Star game.....
Top Vote getter in the West vs Top Vote getter in the East as team leads
and how the All-Star team picking will be Televised this year.

They bring up how Kawhi might get a Team Capt. role.... and what that would mean for TV Drama (or lack thereof, due to lack of outward personality)

They also brought up how they feel like Lebron may not be expecting to win, because he understands that the Wild West is Warrior Country, so it'll likely be Curry or Durant battling for Team Capt. duties.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 08, 2018, 10:12:51 PM
The Rockets are getting worked. Defensive coordinator, Jeff Bzdelik, returns after Thanksgiving. They need him.

The Celtics are down by 20 points at halftime...................... to the Suns.

I didn’t realize Bucks vs. Warriors is in Oakland tonight. Yeah, Warriors are totally winning that game. Semi-related, I recently saw the Warriors logo from 1997 to 2010 for the first time in a while. Yikes, that logo is trash. Really glad they went back to using the Bay Bridge. It’s a nice, simple logo. I like it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2018, 02:26:25 AM
Warriors got ran out they own building tonight....

Curry and Durant were both trash tonight.
Draymond was out on injury, and he was very missed for this game.
McKinney was shooting poorly
and the Refs were the Bucks 6th man from early on in this one.... even later on when the Bucks were up by 20something the whistle just kept blowing for trivial BS against the Dubs.
Sucked the momentum out the game right from the get-go. Got Curry in foul trouble early in the 1st quarter, and wouldn't let the game flow. Dubs seemed to never really get into a rhythm after that....

Curry even left with a minor groin strain in the 3rd.... hopefully he comes back full strength game after next. Along w/ Dray and Livingston.

But as they say.... on to the next one.
We had a bad game, the Bucks had a pretty good game
and the Refs were disrupting the flow of the game, mostly to the favor of the Bucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 09, 2018, 07:55:04 AM
Good thing I’m not a betting man. Sheesh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on November 11, 2018, 12:29:21 AM
Can't wait for Jimmy Butler to completely destroy whatever is left of Markelle Fultz's sense of worth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2018, 07:42:07 PM
I thought i posted something regarding Butler and Fultz earlier.... i must've never hit send :/
I'll edit it in later when i get home, but for now, Warriors Fundraising @ Oracle

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How badly do Golden State Warriors fans want to just get into the building for a home game?

We'll soon find out. The team sent an email to its fans on Monday offering a monthly "In The Building Pass." The pass simply gets a fan into the team's Oracle Arena for every home game for $100 a month.

The mobile pass does not include a seat, and with no access to the seating bowl, doesn't even include a view of the court itself. The team says fans who purchase the pass will have access to the arena's bars and restaurants and can watch on the televisions in the club areas.
4-5 All-star Roster is getting a little expensive.... selling seats at the bar and concession stands in the building now.
And i bet it sells out.  LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on November 12, 2018, 07:59:41 PM
No view of the court? That's just an expensive cover charge. Still might be worth it, if you get the free t-shirts they give out during the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on November 12, 2018, 08:02:17 PM
And so the best team in basketball takes clues from one of hockey's biggest tire fires. (https://oilersnation.com/2017/04/12/oilers-to-offer-80-concourse-pass-for-playoffs/)

Although given that it's US$100 and for REGULAR SEASON games, I'd say Golden State said "hold my beer".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2018, 10:41:55 PM
(here is the post I never hit send on earlier.....)
Can't wait for Jimmy Butler to completely destroy whatever is left of Markelle Fultz's sense of worth.

(https://i.imgur.com/A6rN5Dm.png)

Or somehow Butler gets Fultz to get over his "yips" and actually start playing like why he was drafted in the first place.

Gonna be interesting either way.
But they did give up shooters to get Butler on the squad. The could probably use another shooter like Korver, should the Cavs release him like they said they would when they signed him up.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2018, 10:46:35 PM
No view of the court? That's just an expensive cover charge. Still might be worth it, if you get the free t-shirts they give out during the playoffs.
And so the best team in basketball takes clues from one of hockey's biggest tire fires. (https://oilersnation.com/2017/04/12/oilers-to-offer-80-concourse-pass-for-playoffs/)

Although given that it's US$100 and for REGULAR SEASON games, I'd say Golden State said "hold my beer".

As pointed out, it's unlimited home games for the month and only for REGULAR SEASON games.
I imagine if regular season goes well.... $300 Playoff pass? $750 Finals pass?

Gonna need every scent to pay Klay's "Luxury Tax" resigning over the summer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2018, 10:48:15 PM
II really hate the NBA Scheduler sometimes. The Jazz faced the Grizzlies for the 3rd time tonight on the road, and this time they finally came away with a win. Sheesh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2018, 11:21:14 PM
II really hate the NBA Scheduler sometimes. The Jazz faced the Grizzlies for the 3rd time tonight on the road, and this time they finally came away with a win. Sheesh.
Barely 1 month in? Already faced a single team 3x? it's game 12-14 for everyone...

On the other hand, Caris Levert from the Nets broke his ankle tonight.
Not quite as graphic as Hayward in Gm1 last year, but you'll see him roll his ankle with his foot to the inside... it never straightened out again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGCYBZqZ0uw
slo-mo replay at about the :26 second mark.

edit: speaking of Fultz earlier.... WTF is wrong with this cat?
I'm hearing it's mental, but he supposedly don't work with his shooting coach anymore since weeks ago, and now his shot seems to have regressed?

check his free throw shot....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DeaV0Osrs

and then here he has a wierd "twitch"?
https://twitter.com/Dcorrigan50/status/1061771931173732354
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
The Lakers are about to play the Blazers for the third time tomorrow night. It’ll be their 14th game of the season. They won’t play the Blazers again until the last game of the year.

I have a hard time watching videos of players getting injured. I think the last one I saw was Kris Dunn landing on his face last year. I try to avoid seeing that stuff.

No idea what’s going on with Markelle Fultz. I feel bad because he was such a good prospect. How does someone just forget how to shoot?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2018, 02:45:28 PM
Fultz has to be more than just a mental thing.... shooting should be like riding a bike. It's a muscle memory motion. Your shot may not be pretty, but it's yours. Fultz has to have some sort of nerve disorder or something preventing him from doing a normal motion without concentrating on it.

There is something really wrong here, and I think he needs to take time to find real actual unbiased help. Or maybe Jimmy Buckets slaps him straight again. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


and I dont' know how legit this is, but D. Rose may have that hoodoo voodoo doll magic this season. He's been on the court during some of the last few bad injuries.
He was on the court during Hayward and LeVert and there was another one I can't remember of the top of my head. and then all of sudden, he's having a "All-Star" reserve quality season, hitting some personal best in points and 3ptrs.
I see you D. Rose.
better keep that **** away from the Dubs.


and I can't not comment on last night....
WTF is you doing Dray!!!?
Give KD the ball in a tie game situation with 5 seconds on the clock and not planning to call a timeout. why would you dribble it out, fumble the ball and turn it over sending us into OT w/o even getting a shot off!?
You literally sniped the rebound from KD who was standing right there, and then did nothing of value. Why....!?

can't wait till Curry comes back on Thursday.
Warriors just aint the same w/o Curry on the court. His Gravitation Force is sorely missed, even if he isn't scoring.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 13, 2018, 06:38:26 PM
The Warriors suspended Green for one game due to “conduct detrimental to the team” AKA arguing with Kevin Durant when he’s a free agent next summer.

After the loss, the entire team was probably like, “Srsly, bruh,” and Draymond gonna Draymond so he argued back.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2018, 01:20:11 AM
The Warriors suspended Green for one game due to “conduct detrimental to the team” AKA arguing with Kevin Durant when he’s a free agent next summer.

After the loss, the entire team was probably like, “Srsly, bruh,” and Draymond gonna Draymond so he argued back.

Unnecessary #DRAMA and very bad form on Draymond.
If you gonna put some bullshit like that on display, cost us a game, and a potential championship, 1 month into the season.... it's gonna cost you something too.

$125k lost (aka not made tonight) for being suspended for a game.

This **** wouldn't've (can I double compound? lol) happened if Curry was on the court.
I don't know why Dray started acting like selfish punk, but he crossed a line by not only making it public, but making it personal.
Ownership got the whole rest of the season to think about, upcoming contracts, free-agency, and a brand new super expensive stadium almost completed in SF.
We aint got time to stop the money train right because Dray gotta get all up in his feelings and now Durant want to be all sensitive.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2018, 10:19:35 AM
Draymond Green Accused Kevin Durant Of Making Season About His Free Agency (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/251644/Draymond-Green-Accused-Kevin-Durant-Of-Making-Season-About-His-Free-Agency)
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Green then accused Durant of making the whole season about him even though he might leave in free agency in 2019. Green aired his frustrations with how Durant has kept his free agency story alive throughout the season.

Green also called Durant a "bitch" multiple times, which is what prompted management to take action.
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“With what was said, there is already no way Durant is coming back,” one player said. “The only hope is that they can say this summer, ‘See, KD. We’ve got your back. We protected you from Draymond.’ ”
****, I was just joking about the free agency thing earlier. Apparently, that was right on the money. When I try to make serious analysis, I’m way off. I’m bad at basketball hot takes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on November 14, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Draymond is (rightfully) worried because he's the 4th guy in that team, with a skill-set that doesn't age well given his body. He'll be 29 years old this summer and looking at a pretty big (and long) contract. GS will do everything in their power to keep Durant and Klay first and foremost, and given that Klay seems like the dude most willing to take a paycut to keep the group together it makes perfect sense for this season to be about Durant's free agency. Everyone knows it.

It sucks for Draymond, but does he really want to sabotage the season for that?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 14, 2018, 03:17:56 PM
It's sad to see even a crack in the Golden State Dynasty, but it's even worse that it's a crack from the inside.

Dray needs to play better at the long game. Durant isn't making this about his Free-Agency. He hasn't said anything publicly about it from what I've seen. He's been signing 1and1's for freedom of contract negotiations to keep making the numbers work.

We all know Klay don't want to go nowhere. His dad already talked to him about the blessing of a situation he has found himself in and how no few extra millions a year is ever gonna be enough to walk away from a situation this good while it's this good. It's not fun getting paid more on a losing team, especially when you already know what you're missing. GSW right now is History in the making. For Dray to blow up about that ****, and publicly, especially when he was being scolded by a fellow player for a bad call (as he himself would do to every other player, coach, staff, etc etc), and then respond about making it a personal beef is just sad.
Can dish it but can't take it, and then had to go personal because he knew he fucked up.

Dray is known for making plays, but in that situation, tie game, 5 seconds left in regulation, you aren't looking for a hot pass, you are looking for the main scorer (or 2) to have the ball and create a shot. Or at the very least someone to get off a damn shot.
Now had Dray actually managed to make a pass, with 1 second on the clock.... and Looney had had to get it off on time.... and it happen to actually go in... then none of this matters, but that's not what happened.
Dray was in the wrong, and 10 out of 10 times, in that specific situation, the ball should have gone directly into Durants hands.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 14, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
I'm just going to say I am pleased that the Lakers are above 500 for the first time in 2 years. On the defensive side things have been improving and things are even better with Chandler providing rebounding and defensive presence.  Rebounding was one of the areas where the Lakers needed help and get out their fast break offense. Also JaVale can run a bit and with his help defense and his blocks it helps things. Pace is very solid but they need to improve their half court sets on offense a bit.  I will say that Lakers are 3-0 since signing Chandler. He might have been the missing piece.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2018, 01:58:42 AM
Harden making the record book list with another impressive Triple Double in a LOSS to the Wizards
his 10th 50+ point game put him on this list, but his statline of 54pts, 13 Ast, 11 TO is NOT the triple double you're trying to have.

(https://i.imgur.com/AFotM8H.png)

and my Wounded Warriors gotta face the Raps on Thursday... I hope at least Draymond is back.
We can't lose this one.... especially in a blow out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2018, 09:34:49 AM
I’m shocked Kareem Abdul-Jabbar only has 10 considering he’s the all-time leading scorer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on November 29, 2018, 08:20:48 AM
The Jazz have traded Alec Burks & 2 second round draft picks to get Kyle Korver back.

Good. This season has been abysmal so far.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2018/11/28/18117006/kyle-korver-utah-jazz-cleveland-cavaliers (https://www.slcdunk.com/2018/11/28/18117006/kyle-korver-utah-jazz-cleveland-cavaliers)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
The Wounded Warriors almost snuck out a win on Toronto last night, and to me that is a victory, even if an L in th season record box.

We didn't have Draymond, who would have made a couple extra defensive stops that would've been the difference maker.

Not to mention Curry, who always has good games in Toronto.
Talk show host want to pump "Preview of the Finals!? Toronto better hope not, because if KD could drop 51, and Klay could still get his, and just imagine if Curry was in place of all the missed or not taken Jerebko shots.... or if Draymond was in place of Damian Jones. It would have a been very different outcome to this game, and OT was not even in question.

Although the East should be quite exciting to watch this year.

Bucks and Raptors in the ECF?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 08, 2018, 10:14:09 PM
Early pick for Rookie of the Year: Doncic on the Mavs.

I think it's is by far and away this Euro League rookie. Barring some historic wall hitting or terrible injury, I don't see any other rookie coming close.
He just schooled rockets almost single handedly by scoring 11 in a row (3 from distance) late in the 4th to give the Mavs a 5 point lead, and ultimately leading to a 3 point win.

This kid is hitting big shots repeatedly, consistently, and without hesitation.
Mavs may be playoff bound this year (Can't say the same for Houston rn :/)


Early pick for MVP: Steph Curry
His last game wasn't that hot, but he's still real close to avg 50/50/90 right now
actually, looking up the stats, over 16 games, he is at 51/50/93 and averaging 29.6 points per game
The Warriors (18-9) have a record of 13-3 when Steph was on the floor, and we all know they win 4-5+ of those losses had he actually been playing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on December 10, 2018, 01:28:55 PM
Steph Curry isn’t allowed any more MVP awards until he admits the moon landing happened. It’s weird that’s even a thing I typed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2018, 05:43:29 PM
Steph Curry isn’t allowed any more MVP awards until he admits the moon landing happened. It’s weird that’s even a thing I typed.

I saw that today... I'm gonna have to give him a 1- time pass on this one. I know theirs some controversy over the validity of the original moon landing footage,  and it is kinda suspicious that we haven't really been back since.

 But i gotta chalk that up to it being very expensive, and no real urgent benefit to going back without a larger goal in mind and the tech to support it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on December 10, 2018, 06:54:20 PM
Gonna just drop this here:


For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPj60sy9Cfw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPj60sy9Cfw)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2018, 09:08:30 PM
for the record, I'm not a doubter. I just understand some of the reasons why some people may doubt it.

and it still doesn't explain why we haven't really been back, but I'm leaving that up to technological limits for extended stay, cost and actual purpose of being there (mining, setting up a base, transport of goods/equipment to and from).

I feel that technologically, we are very close to making an actual Moon Base, mine, and launching pad a reality.

but back on topic, I just bought tix to the Warriors Raptors game on Wednesday, so I'll try and talk some sense into Curry in person, face to face, man to man.

It's my 1st game this season, and the 1st game I'll take my lil me to as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on December 10, 2018, 09:34:09 PM
He deserves to be ruthlessly mocked the same way Kyrie Irving was for being a flat earther. Ungodly talent isn't an excuse for being ignorant.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2018, 09:42:10 PM
Well.... the video and pics are questionable, regardless of the "proof" and recreative evidence provided.

Not to say that we haven't actually been there, just that the initial video stream of the event certainly does look questionable depending on which glasses you choose to view it through.

Saying the earth is flat though.... I believe that's 2 whole different levels of ignorant.
Kyrie's flown around the world. He has undeniable evidence provided through his own eyes, and yet the truth still escapes him.

How many people do we know that has flown around the world? sailed around the world?
how many have fallen off or fell into... space!?

on the other hand... who do we know that's actually been to the moon? or personally knows someone who knows someone with first hand evidence of actually being on the moon?

Not to say it didn't happen, just pointing out that the skepticism is on 2 very different levels of ::jackiechanwhut::
For one, we have easily provable evidence that can be experienced by any and everyone with ease.
the other... well, we just gotta take their word that it happened when and the way we saw, and then believe the science that regardless of how possible it was, the original video was legit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 11, 2018, 07:22:45 PM
THE REAL REASON CURRY SAID HE DOUBTED THE MOON LANDING
hint: it was all a rouse

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25508943/nasa-offers-show-proof-moon-landing-golden-state-warriors-star-stephen-curry?platform=amp

Hee just got himself, his family and the team(?) a 1st hand VIP tour of the NASA facility next time they in Houston.
Clever clever Curry /s?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on December 11, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
Clever bastard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 15, 2018, 06:45:15 PM
Just found this funny, so thought I would share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDkVztmkcQM

anyone watch that Warriors game last night vs Sacramento Kings?

I think it would be fun if all 4 Cali teams could make the playoff this year.
This Kings team plays really fast, and was very fun to watch.
the rookie ref (3rd ref) almost fucked this game up, but Jordan Bell needs to get his **** together as well (he just annoys me). He often looks lost and almost always goes up soft. Gotta stop chillin' with Klay in the hotbox before the game.
Dubs pull out a crazy win with lockdown defense in the last 3 minutes to come back from being 10pts down (after initially being up 16pts) and win by 5, but damn it was a good game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on December 15, 2018, 11:58:13 PM
That Pelicans one kinda hurt.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2018, 02:00:04 PM
I'm a little disappointed I missed the Dubs vs Mavs game on Saturday, as I was curious how Luka would perform. The kid is gonna be good in the near future.

I also missed the Mavs v Blazers game, but damn Luka. this kid is Cutch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F2XO78Qr60

corner 3 at the buzzer to force OT.
they didn't win, but if it weren't for Luka, Mavs wouldn't be in many conversations this year at all.

and at current standings, the only team in the West that is not competing for a Playoff Position at this point, is the Suns. Everyone else has a change at making Top 8 at this point.
Comparatively, in the East, the bottom 4 (or 5...) are not likely gonna find themselves in a position to push for a playoff spot based on current standings.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 25, 2018, 07:04:33 PM
New Game of Zones today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdr_lE0nzWE
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on January 07, 2019, 09:58:38 PM
Cleveland being shady AF

https://deadspin.com/the-patrick-mccaw-holdout-saga-keeps-getting-weirder-1831559301

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It seems like Cleveland pretty clearly signed McCaw to a deal they knew the Warriors wouldn’t match simply to cut him and get him out of restricted free agency.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2019, 07:27:13 PM
Coming Soon..... Jan 18th v the Clippers
(https://s3-us-east-2.amazonaws.com/gruelingtruth-cdn/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/warriors-hp-graphic.jpg)

If DMC is even 80% his usual self.... league on notice.
If Klay continues playing like he has the last few games.... (43pts on 4 dribbles last night) grab your raincoats.
If Dray stay productive with pts in the paint and occasionally from the 3, the Dubs are back baby.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on January 09, 2019, 09:29:13 PM
LMAO, that team is so stacked. Multiple all-NBA appearance for each of those five. And a number of all-star appearances I don't feel like counting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2019, 11:52:13 PM
#ruinthegame

3peat in the making (I'm really hoping they pull this off)

if they win again this year (assuming everyone stays healthy, it's theirs to lose, but ::knock on wood:: just in case) the off season is going to be VERY VERY INTERESTING.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2019, 04:27:16 PM
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1086341294350368768

DMC: Resurrection as a Warrior
14 points (3/4 from 3), 6 rebounds, 3 rebounds, 2 steals (and 6 fouls) in 15 min

Great opening effort.
In his defense, the refs were out of fucking control with the fouls.
There were 4 Techs in the 1st half.
Draymond had 2, and stayed in the game (2nd was for full speed power dunk swinging pullup combo)
Durant got one for screaming "And 1" toward the ref
it really sucked the flow out the game in the 1st quarter... calls on both sides. Refs were over doing it.

But if this was the Boogie come back game, where the Dubs could barely buy a 3, yet still shut down the Clips, the rest of the season is gonna be FUN*

*for Warrior fans. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 20, 2019, 06:47:29 PM
From the Laker game last night.

They were putting a hurting to The Harden Rockets, and then Lonzo sprained his own ankle.
Harden brought it back to OT and the KCP decides that he didn't really want the Lakers to have a change to win last night.....

Down 1, about 8 seconds difference between shot and game clock. 18 seconds on the shot, 24 seconds left in the game. You want to wind down the clock as much as you can, but more importantly.... YOU NEED TO SCORE!!

So with KCP being 0/6 from 3 for the night, this ofcourse seems like the best basketball play to make... https://streamable.com/bvaub

WTF is you doing man?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2019, 01:10:19 AM
Klay Thompson with the 🔥HEAT CHECK🔥 tonight.

10 for his first 10 from 3pt Land💦

The Toaster is back with a NEW NBA RECORD!! 👌💯

now how long before Steph Curry comes and breaks these records that he's going out of his way to help Klay set? ....and people think Klay is gonna leave the Warriors in the off-season. LMAO
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2019, 03:14:15 AM
Since tonight is a night of LAUGHS (look for the Curry Slip and airball #Shaqtin entry for the night. OMG LMAO) and Celebration (see above post), I thought I would share this tweet too, since it also made me laugh.

(https://i.imgur.com/k4ydkzT.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 22, 2019, 09:41:53 AM
I didn’t watch the game last night because I was expecting a drubbing with James, Ball, and Rondo out. It would’ve been nice to see Thompson go off. To The Youtube, I guess.

Thompson isn’t leaving the Warriors. I expect Durant to. We’ll see in a little over five months how cold these takes are.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2019, 07:16:35 PM
I'm thinking of they Win again (and it's looking good that they might. Lol) Durant well try to stay, but that puts Dray out of contention for Max Money.
Klay will likely also take a discount to keep it together (Max -5+%) one more year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2019, 07:34:02 PM
Part of me wishes the Warriors would somehow (for some reason) pick up Melo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2019, 07:43:01 PM
Oh hello no.
I'm sure it's be nice to get him a ring, but he needs to go play with Bron in LA.
We don't need that anchor.... Unless that's the point, handicap us to give everyone else a way to win a few games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2019, 09:49:17 AM
I expect the Warriors to be champs again which is why I also expect Durant to leave. He has nothing to prove as the best player of a three-peat. Not a knock on Curry; Durant is just a more complete player. If the Warriors lose, there’s a narrative for him staying.

Durant cares about his narrative and legacy. And the whole thing with Draymond Green definitely didn’t help things despite both acting like it’s water under the bridge. Durant is notoriously petty and thin-skinned what with his burner accounts and inability to just laugh off jokes at his expense like the “You the real MVP” meme, unwittingly causing it to be even bigger. Durant took a lot of **** for joining a 73-win team. For someone who cares so much about how people and history view him, I can see Durant going to a storied franchise that has struggled for a long time like the Knicks or Lakers. He wasn’t the missing piece in Golden State; they already won without him. Winning on a troubled franchise would cement his place in history. I imagine most people already believe Durant’s place as one of the best players in history is set. I don’t think Durant thinks it is. He still thinks he’s the not-Michael Jordan of his generation, something he desperately wants to change.

The problem is that he probably wouldn’t win a title in either situation. Not saying he goes to either Knicks or Lakers, but for what it seems like he wants, it makes sense.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 25, 2019, 02:09:21 AM
Warriors were in D.C. today to play the Wiz - Durant's hometown.

Looks like they visited a certain #44 for the 3rd time now. LOL
after 1st Championship 2014/15 - after 3rd Ring 2017/18 & again Today
https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Instead-of-visiting-White-House-during-DC-trip-13560083.php?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on January 25, 2019, 11:27:00 PM
Seems like the most appropriate place to ask: Is there a memeable version of the NBA Trade Machine that ESPN runs where I can put anything into it? Like, say, trade the owner of the Warriors to MLSE for the Canadian telco duopoly.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2019, 08:41:22 AM
Anthony Davis won't sign a contract extension and has requested a trade (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25868546/anthony-davis-told-new-orleans-pelicans-re-sign)

It’s important to note the Celtics, the team with the best/most assets, are ineligible to trade for Davis until July 1 this summer due to Kyrie Irving’s Designated Player contract. A team cannot have two Designated Players acquired via trade. Irving would have to be traded first or Davis would have to be traded for Irving. It’s doubtful the Pelicans would go for the latter as that should be a non-starter since Irving is a free agent and would likely leave this summer. Perhaps they would consider it depending on the other assets Boston could potentially package.

Fire up the ol’ trade machine. It’s going to be a wild trade deadline this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2019, 11:23:25 AM
This will be interesting...

Teams not likely to get AD this season:
Warriors (no money) - definitely out of the question (but I would've said that about Cousins before it happened too.... :/)
Celtics (as stated above - Designated Player Contract - gotta wait till summer)

Who is likely to go HARD for AD right now?
Lakers - it was stated they are willing to trade: Ingram, Ball, and Kuzma. Lebron also wants Luke fired as coach, and has been not so secretly mending fences with Kyrie for a hopeful off-season free-agent pick up.

IF the Lakers can pull off a trade for Davis, and then pick up Kyrie in the off season...
and the Warriors lose not only Cousins, but possibly Durant, there will certainly be a mix up in the West next year.

Now my question is, what contending teams in the East have something to trade for AD?
Raptors? - if the Raps can put together something, that's a helluva pitch to keep Kawhi long term.
Bucks?
Sixers?
Nets? Yes, I said the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
The Pelicans don’t have to trade Davis just because he requested one. It depends on how much of a headache they feel like dealing with. If they have the nerve, the best course would be to wait until the Celtics are eligible and try to pry Jason Tatum away. Most deals available now will be available this summer, including and especially the Lakers young core which I keep seeing in trade proposals.

Right now, the Lakers can play chicken with the Pelicans. The Lakers think they can get Kevin Durant. Ideally, that’s what they want anyway: sign Durant then use their young players to trade for another star player. If the Lakers want Davis now, I’d only give up Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, some draft picks, and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to make the numbers work. I’d hold onto Kyle Kuzma for the trade deadline but include him during the summer.

The Pelicans will want a king’s ransom for Davis. I don’t think they’ll get it. Conparatively, the Spurs did okay in the Kawhi Leonard trade. DeMar DeRozan is a nice player. He’s no Leonard, who I actually think is better than Davis. There are injury concerns for both players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on January 29, 2019, 12:25:27 AM
The Pelicans are totally going to botch the AD trade and I can't wait for the to move to Seattle in 5 years.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on January 29, 2019, 12:34:28 AM
The Pelicans are totally going to botch the AD trade and I can't wait for the to move to Seattle in 5 years.

Pfft. It's not like New Orleans has a history of being a good basketball city. Wouldn't be the first time one of their teams had moved on to better pastures.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2019, 06:21:50 AM
Nawlins has had a bad week,

LA has taken the Superbowl from them
and AD has taken the Pels ftom them
in the same week...

Good thing Mardi Gras is coming up next month.
Should take their mind off it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on January 30, 2019, 10:37:49 AM
The NBA owes us for the botched Chris Paul trade, so I'm hopeful some magic will happen.  But AD wanting out was pretty expected.  The team seemed completely incapable of building around him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on January 30, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/status/1090778882754691073

New Orleans is being extra petty about this. I hope they get nothing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2019, 09:01:23 PM
Does that mean they plan on trading him before the deadline?
I know they've been bombarded with offers nonstop.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on January 31, 2019, 08:23:01 AM
https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/status/1090778882754691073

New Orleans is being extra petty about this. I hope they get nothing.

If they get nothing, then entitled babies like Anthony Davis get nothing either, and I'm OK with that.

Seriously, he publicly went out & demanded a trade to a better team/city, essentially giving a middle finger to the Pelicans. I hope he gets nothing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2019, 09:45:39 AM
Pelicans management did jack with six years of having one of the best players in the NBA. Anthony Davis could have kept quiet, played out his contract, and fucked off next summer. The Pelicans at least have a chance to get some assets.

If Davis leaves in free agency, he’s a traitor. If he requests a trade, he’s an entitled baby. No wonder these guys almost always try to get ahead of it and leave a bad situation early. It’s lose-lose because people think these players owe others more than they owe themselves.

The only time fans are thankful for and loyal to a former player is via retirement or if the player leaves on the team’s terms via trade or release. When a player involuntarily leaves a team, nobody bats an eye because “it’s business.” Yet, for some reason, the same doesn’t apply to when players want to go to a better situation.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on January 31, 2019, 01:55:35 PM
Apparently, the Pelicans aren't answering calls from the Lakers right now.  Which, I guess?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2019, 03:10:40 PM
Pelicans Vice President and General Manager Dell Demps isn’t answering, and if that continues, I wouldn’t be surprised is Magic Johnson and Lakers controlling owner and president, Jeanie Buss, just go above him and reach out to Pelicans owner, Gayle Benson, directly. Anthony Davis may just do that himself.

In early January, Benson told The Athletic, “I really like Anthony, but if he wants to leave, you can’t hold him back.” Add that to the fact that she apparently cares more about the Saints than the Pelicans, and she may just force Demps to make a deal before the deadline. Doesn’t have to be with the Lakers, just any team so this isn’t her problem anymore.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on January 31, 2019, 03:42:19 PM
So, AD’s camp is saying that any team that takes him should expect him to walk in 2020, unless you’re the Lakers. Pels are reported as saying AD can go join the Lakers when LeBron is 35, if he wants. Not sure which was first.

But basically, the first statement makes almost any trade deal toxic; although, most expected PG to leave OKC when that trade happened. Lakers seem to have all the leverage, and the Pels seem content to not be bullied, even if it’s only a “victory” in principle.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on January 31, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1091076373765124108

Excuse me, what?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on January 31, 2019, 05:35:25 PM
I was just about to post about that. Is that really the best the Knicks could get for Kristaps Porzingis? Or is this another example of Knicks gonna Knick?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 31, 2019, 09:56:00 PM
This is an example of the Knicks clearing enough Cap Space to get 2 new Max Deals in the summer.

Speculation is they may have heads up that 2 big names already want to go there, and are indeed planning on coming.
that same speculation states Durant and Kyrie.

but recently it's been rumored that Kyrie is trying to be Lebron's son again and team up once more time.

but also it's been stated that Klay Thompson may have interest in The Lakers if they can land AD, so if Klay is content to leave (not happening) I see no reason why Durant wouldn't stick around with the Warriors since the money will be there, unless he really wants to go to NY (might be better off on the Nets though. LOL)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 01, 2019, 08:23:04 AM
So neither Rudy Golbert nor Donovan Mitchell were selected for the All Star Game. Mitchell's in the Rising Stars game, but I guess I otherwise have no reason to watch All Star weekend yet again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2019, 09:10:28 AM
This is an example of the Knicks clearing enough Cap Space to get 2 new Max Deals in the summer.
Yeah, I get what the Knicks are trying to do. It’s still a weird risk considering their last two major free agent signings were Amar’e Stoudemire and Joakim Noah. Other than the pipe dream of being responsible for bringing the Knicks back on glory, I don’t know why any superstar free agent would consider the Knicks.

The Lakers are linked to everyone. I typically just ignore the noise unless it comes from someone like Adrian Wojnarowski.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2019, 12:09:11 PM
Two things:

1. ESPN’s Ian Begley asked Kyrie Irving if he still intends to re-sign with the Celtics. Irving replies, “Ask me July 1.” Then, he told Barbara Barker of Newsday, “At the end of the day I'm going to do what’s best for me and my career. I don’t owe anybody ****.” This is a far cry from telling fans in October, “If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here.”

2. According to Shams Charania of The Athletic, “The Boston Celtics aren't a preferred destination long-term for New Orleans star Anthony Davis, and in Davis’ mind, remain a rental option.”

The Celtics’ entire plan was to trade the farm this summer for Anthony Davis with the intention of pairing him with Kyrie Irving. Take the Celtics offer off the table, and the Pelicans lose major leverage against the Lakers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 01, 2019, 02:18:16 PM
This is an example of the Knicks clearing enough Cap Space to get 2 new Max Deals in the summer.

Speculation is they may have heads up that 2 big names already want to go there, and are indeed planning on coming.
that same speculation states Durant and Kyrie.

My question in all of this is simple.

People have seen what the Knicks Front Office has done the last decade. Knowing that, why would you join them?

EDIT: Or the Knicks are just straight up tampering and already know KD is going to sign with them. Literally the only way this trade makes any sense.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on February 01, 2019, 04:37:30 PM
If they think they can pull two stars, then good for them.  I hope they do.  But Knicks are gonna Knick for a while.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on February 01, 2019, 06:47:44 PM
The Knicks are basically the Toronto Maple Leafs with more incompetent ownership.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2019, 08:45:00 PM
This is an example of the Knicks clearing enough Cap Space to get 2 new Max Deals in the summer.


Speculation is they may have heads up that 2 big names already want to go there, and are indeed planning on coming.
that same speculation states Durant and Kyrie.

My question in all of this is simple.

People have seen what the Knicks Front Office has done the last decade. Knowing that, why would you join them?

EDIT: Or the Knicks are just straight up tampering and already know KD is going to sign with them. Literally the only way this trade makes any sense.

That's the speculation.
Should they both announce, I'm sure there will be an investigation of some sort.

Durant already quiet on his future plans, although he seems to have made up with Dray and the Dubs and genuinely seems to be happy.

Kyrie already stating to ask him on July 1st....

neither of them seem particularly committed to the current situations. Kyrie less so than Durant

But then again.... the Knicks will be the Knicks, so what Tier 2 or 3 level stars are they gonna overpay when they didn't get the names everyone has been predicting would go there?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 01, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
#Defense.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyX5IhpXcAE2C-u.jpg:large)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2019, 08:32:07 AM
With so much drama in the NBA
everyone forgot about Superbowl Sunday
somehow, someway, players in the NBA
come up with on and off the court as drama, every.single.day

Anthony Davis' dad on a potential trade to Boston....
(https://i.redd.it/dacuy7p4q1e21.jpg)


Rudy Gobert gets all emotional on camera about NOT getting an All-Star selection regardless of stats for the season....
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1091406136182484993

Rudy Gobert Stats.... https://i.imgur.com/I9ClPHv.jpg


So Draymond and IT both make harsh comments on it
(https://i.imgur.com/gmTY3F0.png)*

(https://i.imgur.com/z91SFlL.png)

*except Dray probably should cry, as his play not being good enough for AS, or DPOY may also cost him All NBA, which means he may not be eligible for that SUPERMAX he was hoping for (not that he was gonna get it)

and then to pour even more salt in Gobert's open wound, D'Angelo Russel makes All-Star Reserve due to Oladipo injury
(https://i.imgur.com/UMLFpfF.png)

D'Angelo Russel
(https://i.imgur.com/UMLFpfF.png)


and all that follows up the AD demanding a Trade, preferably to LA
and the Knicks suddenly pulling off a trade for Porzingis w/ the Mavs in about 5 minutes and almost totally under the radar.
Everyone suspects some sort of tampering to make that deal make any sense.... (KD & Kyrie already agreeing to make the move) especially after they last time they did this almost exact same scenario 9(?) years ago.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 05, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
John Wall's Achilles just exploded when he slipped in his house.

His supermax contract begins next season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ThePerm on February 05, 2019, 05:04:39 PM
So, I haven't payed attention to NBA since 2006-2007. I'm a fair weather Suns fan. What teams are good now? I know the Golden State Warriors are good, the clippers were good, but who's worth paying attention to now?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on February 05, 2019, 07:17:37 PM
That’s pretty much it.

That James kid from Ohio is having a solid career though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 06, 2019, 12:21:56 AM
The Lakers are purposely sabotaging their season giving away all their players and two first round picks to NOLA and Dell Demps is acting like an idiot asking for 6-8 draft picks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
The Lakers reportedly pulled out of trade negotiations with the Pelicans. Pulling out of trade negotiations is apparently part of trade negotiations as the Lakers are awaiting a counteroffer apart from the Pelicans asking for eight draft picks. Danny Ainge also requested the Pelicans wait for their offer this summer. Why anyone would even consider dealing with Ainge after he fleeced two franchises is beyond me. The whole thing is a clusterfuck. I’m glad the Lakers didn’t trade everyone (so far). Whichever team ends up with Anthony Davis is going to win that trade. The sooner the Pelicans admit that to themselves the better.

In other news, the Sixers landed Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanovic, and Mike Scott from the Clippers in exchange for Wilson Chandler, Landry Shamet, Mike Muscala, Philadelphia’s 2020 first-round pick, Miami’s unprotected 2021 first-round pick, and two second-round picks. Both teams make out pretty well here. The Clippers probably weren’t keeping Harris if they’re trying to sign two max free agents this summer. The Sixers improve their roster to make a run at a title this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 06, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
Danny Ainge also requested the Pelicans wait for their offer this summer. Why anyone would even consider dealing with Ainge after he fleeced two franchises is beyond me.

Also, players saw what they did to Isaiah Thomas. Ainge is delusional if he thinks he's going to get more than a glorified rental from AD.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2019, 02:00:25 AM
I hadn't realized it, but apparently tonight was the 1st night KD spoke to the press post game since the Porzingis trade. The Press asked him if it was related.... KD wasn't having it.

We all know it's rumored he was moving on to the Knicks with Kyrie, but KD was all up in his feeling tonight on the podium. Probably won't see him address the press post game again till it's contractually obligated to make that appearance again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 07, 2019, 10:57:06 AM
LeBron steaming mad at the way Dallas handled the Harrison Barnes trade.

The concept of players owing any loyalty to their team is dying as we speak. I like it.

EDIT: Also this, https://deadspin.com/report-the-pelicans-invented-a-new-kind-of-tampering-a-1832415741

Like, ok. Great petty move, Dell. People still love LA and will still want to join the Lakers. I get that you want enact some sort of revenge against the franchise but ultimately this looks worse on NOLA and already sabotages was is a non-existent free agent destination.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2019, 12:06:39 PM
LeBron steaming mad at the way Dallas handled the Harrison Barnes trade.

The concept of players owing any loyalty to their team is dying as we speak. I like it.

They traded the dude mid-game. I wasn't watching, but damn, that's cold. I think he left during the game, shed his jersey and couldn't have been too happy as he left the arena. The only goodt think for him is he could potentially be playoff bound this season on what is a pretty decent and fun to watch team... but what sucks is that NEXT SEASON it's Doncic and Porzingis on the Mavs. The potential.... :/


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EDIT: Also this, https://deadspin.com/report-the-pelicans-invented-a-new-kind-of-tampering-a-1832415741

Like, ok. Great petty move, Dell. People still love LA and will still want to join the Lakers. I get that you want enact some sort of revenge against the franchise but ultimately this looks worse on NOLA and already sabotages was is a non-existent free agent destination.

The Lakers are gonna be devastated till atleast until after the All-Star break. but if they don't get it together, and now, they just might put themselves out of a late playoff contention. And they don't exactly have the easiest schedule going forward.
You see the separation on the bench during the last game. LMAO
Lebron may be wishing he took that Philly spot instead. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2019, 01:03:16 PM
LeBron James being separated from the team on the bench is hilarious out of context. The players who were sitting there were checking into the game.

If the Lakers don’t get Davis by 3:00 PM, not making the playoffs is for the best. I’d rather get a better draft pick than watch them get dismantled by the Warriors or Nuggets (probably the Warriors). I won’t root against them though.

Anyway, Dell Demps is fucked either way. He might as well get revenge on both the Lakers and Pelicans on his way out the door.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 07, 2019, 03:32:49 PM
In the span of 4 days, Nik Stauskas and Wade Baldwin have been packaged together in trades and dealt:

- From Portland
- To Cleveland
- To Houston
- To Indiana
- and finally to free agency because the Pacers are waving them both just hours after giving up a 2nd Round pick for them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 07, 2019, 06:09:08 PM
The Jazz tried to get Mike Conley from the Grizzlies, but it looks like that trade fell through so the Jazz will go yet another trade deadline with basically the same team. At least we got Korver earlier in the year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on February 07, 2019, 09:05:00 PM
LeBron steaming mad at the way Dallas handled the Harrison Barnes trade.

The concept of players owing any loyalty to their team is dying as we speak. I like it.

They traded the dude mid-game. I wasn't watching, but damn, that's cold. I think he left during the game, shed his jersey and couldn't have been too happy as he left the arena.

LMAO. That's hilarious.

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EDIT: Also this, https://deadspin.com/report-the-pelicans-invented-a-new-kind-of-tampering-a-1832415741

Like, ok. Great petty move, Dell. People still love LA and will still want to join the Lakers. I get that you want enact some sort of revenge against the franchise but ultimately this looks worse on NOLA and already sabotages was is a non-existent free agent destination.

The Lakers are gonna be devastated till atleast until after the All-Star break. but if they don't get it together, and now, they just might put themselves out of a late playoff contention. And they don't exactly have the easiest schedule going forward.
You see the separation on the bench during the last game. LMAO
Lebron may be wishing he took that Philly spot instead. LOL

I think the plan to mess with the Lakers is working.  Lavar Ball was on TV today saying LeBron wouldn't win a title without Lonzo after saying he prefered Lonzo be traded to Phoenix (iirc).  At the very least, their biggest distraction is back in the picture.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2019, 10:40:50 PM
The Lakers just beat the Celtics after being down 18 points in the first half. They set a franchise high for three pointers made (22). So, right now, Demps’ trolling worked for one game.

I wish everyone would stop giving Lavar Ball a platform.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2019, 12:16:57 AM
The Lakers just beat the Celtics after being down 18 points in the first half. They set a franchise high for three pointers made (22). So, right now, Demps’ trolling worked for one game.

I wish everyone would stop giving Lavar Ball a platform.

They had a 42pt 3rd Qtr.... impressive.
LeBron must've given a helluva pep talk about how he ain't gonna miss the playoffs, even if he gets bounced in the 1st round by the Warriors. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2019, 08:29:10 AM
Rajon Rondo hitting the game winner in Boston with his son there was pretty cool too.
Link: https://youtu.be/j12ssLXL_rQ
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2019, 02:35:22 PM
For some reason, this play didn't make yesterday's highlight reels, but here's Mitchell passing the ball to Golbert off the backboard for a dunk in yesterday's Jazz-Spurs game:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2019, 03:48:56 PM
For some reason, this play didn't make yesterday's highlight reels, but here's Mitchell passing the ball to Golbert off the backboard for a dunk in yesterday's Jazz-Spurs game:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608)

Did he get counted for an assist?
It looks like he wasn't attempting to make it considering he didn't throw it like it was supposed to hopefully be close to going in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2019, 04:15:55 PM
For some reason, this play didn't make yesterday's highlight reels, but here's Mitchell passing the ball to Golbert off the backboard for a dunk in yesterday's Jazz-Spurs game:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1094368312593604608)

Did he get counted for an assist?
It looks like he wasn't attempting to make it considering he didn't throw it like it was supposed to hopefully be close to going in.

I'm pretty sure it was counted as a missed shot, rebound, & dunk despite it being obvious that he wasn't even trying to lay it in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 15, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1096452173532196864

Was it worth it, Dell?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2019, 04:59:01 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1096452173532196864

Was it worth it, Dell?

and the fact that AD is hurt again.
It was a lightweight Curse of Team Lebron this year again.

1st Kyrie with the knee sprain (not serious)
then Klay with the finger sprain/dislocation (not that serious)
now AD with the shoulder injury

Pels thinking, damn.... we shoulda traded his injury proned ass and crippled the Lakers for years to come (as they literally would've had to fill their roster with buyouts and G-leaguers)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 15, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1096452173532196864

Was it worth it, Dell?

and the fact that AD is hurt again.
It was a lightweight Curse of Team Lebron this year again.

1st Kyrie with the knee sprain (not serious)
then Klay with the finger sprain/dislocation (not that serious)
now AD with the shoulder injury

Pels thinking, damn.... we shoulda traded his injury proned ass and crippled the Lakers for years to come (as they literally would've had to fill their roster with buyouts and G-leaguers)

Davis being hurt is on the NBA for forcing the Pelicans to play him, which goes against the NBA's precedent.

From what I hear, Dell's firing has to do with a lot of other things besides the Davis situation.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 17, 2019, 04:29:43 PM
Anyone paying attention to the All-Star Weekend?

I didn't watch USA v World, nor the Celebrity game
but I did check out the Skillz and 3-pt contest before LEGO Movie 2 started (had to finish the 3pt contest on my phone in the theater during the previews.... :/)

Winner of the Skillz contest was actually pretty amusing:
(http://i.imgur.com/og2clc7.gif)

and the 3pt contest was good for a moment
almost thought all the NC Boys were gonna be out in the first round, especially after the awkward Dell Curry and his 2 sons interview at mid court just before the event... basically "Which of your 2 sons do you love the most, and why will Seth never be that child" LMAO, it was so bad.

Luckily, Steph even though not winning, put on a hell of a shooting display to almost win. it was a 1 shot difference for a tie. Had Steph put the Money rack up first, he would've tied or won the match.
It was a good watch though. Seth on the other hand.... at least he wasn't the first eliminated. LOL
The initial interview put all the pressure on him to perform, and in his attempt to step out of his brothers shadow.... disappeared completely. LMAO. poor Seth.

At least the stupid charity bet for his dad shooting 3's before the main event didn't end up costing him too much money. Dell and his "legend" didn't perform either. LOL

I didn't watch the mini-ball segment afterwards, nor the Dunk Contest, but I saw a few highlights from the finals.

edit(p.s. the highlights from the Dunk contest was 1 dunk other than the final dunk that won it all for Diallo from OKC.... didn't seem like a good contest at all)
They really should cap the night off with the 3pt Contest instead. 10 enter the 1st round. Top5 move to the 2nd round. Top 2 in the 3rd and final round.

Anyone care for the All-Star game later today?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2019, 12:59:01 AM
Jazz vs. Thunder was an excellent game. I normally wouldn’t have watched it, but I was rescuing a friend who had unwittingly tagged along his wife’s girls’ night so I’m glad that worked out for both of us. I only saw partway into the third quarter to the end. There were a few times I thought the game was slipping away from either team. Donovan Mitchell almost had it at the end of overtime.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 23, 2019, 01:01:53 AM
The playoffs are certainly going to be interesting, at least every Western Conference series that doesn't involve the Warriors. 2-8 right now are pretty much even (despite their records), so it's almost like the playoff seeding doesn't even matter.

I really wish Mitchell would perform like this more often. He has talent, but he only ever seems to bring it out when the Jazz are in desperate situations at the end of games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 23, 2019, 11:59:56 PM
I just want to say that Boogie Cousins in WASHED.
Kerr can keep starting him in the first and 2nd, but that's it. If he don't get a good start, he needs to work with the 2nd unit. We lost the game because they kept trying to appease Cousins ego by getting him the ball, and he CAN"T.DO.ANYTHING.WITH.IT.

it's hard to watch. he is slow. he has lost a step. he CAN'T JUMP..... just dunk the fucking ball.... WTF is wrong with you, you are standing under the rim. J.U.M.P.

Did you really miss a layup toi start the game, and then lead the way to spotting the Rockets 15 points to start the game..... then you injured Draymond, after almost taking out KD.

Kerr... do what's needed. TRADE THIS MAN.... huh? oh we can't do that? well, then bench this man. we fucking lost to the Rockets w/o James Harden....

come playoffs, he better be "injured".
get his pity ring in the finals, and then move the **** on to whatever meager contract he can get at some other team. Gonna be missing that money NO was gonna offer him, regardless of how much less it was than what he thought he should've been offered. [/rant]

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on February 24, 2019, 04:02:40 PM
It's one month of play after an Achilles injury. Let's uh...cool our jets here.

Cousins might just be a bad matchup against the Rockets. That being said I'm not ready to attribute all our woes to him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2019, 12:04:09 PM
I'll admit in the moment I was probably a little too quick to pull the trigger on that rant

but honestly, he is not part of our current best line-up
he has lost a step and seems to not have much vert left w/o a running start.

maybe it's just too soon and he'll improve more down the line, but they still need to stop forcing him into the lineup when it's clearly not working out for him. Ego's be damned.

Honestly, I hope he gets it together in the next few weeks. We gonna need him in playoff mode soon.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 25, 2019, 12:30:55 PM
Too early to call Cousins washed. It typically takes two years to know where a player stands after an Achilles tear, one for it to heal and another to get back to playing shape. This is pretty much why I’ve been saying he isn’t going to move the needle for this team. They were already the best team in the league.

Cousins’ value as a player was his skill, not athleticism. Next year we’ll see what he really has to offer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on February 25, 2019, 01:46:35 PM
Cousins still has plenty of time to get things going, and as long as force feeding him shots now doesn't disrupt chemistry there is no harm. Golden State is so stacked, it's hard to see anything really disrupting them without a major injury (or two).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 25, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
I was admittedly reacting in the moment.
Cousins was much better tonight. More like his "early" Warriors run. I can tell he's still in the rebuilding phase, but I was just more upset we didn't crush the Hardenless Harden Rockets. And it was mostly because of Cousins terrible no good very bad game, and our organization is so selfless, they sacrifice games/possessions just to help Boogie get going.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2019, 06:51:32 AM
That Dwyane Wade game winner.
Direct link (https://youtu.be/A9ahQPKqaKI)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2019, 10:09:42 AM
I was jaw dropped... wasn't even mad tho.

double blocked, and then still managed to get off a hailmary 3 before the buzzer that managed to go in.

Curry not getting off a shot on the previous possession and Durant missing a critical end game free throw could have made the difference.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
So...yeah...

Warriors - 96
Magic - 103

What happened there? The Warriors have been in a bit of a slump lately. Did they think they could just coast their way into the playoffs?

Meanwhile, the Nuggets are looking to (hopefully not) pick off an easy win from the Point Guard-less Jazz tonight and retake the #1 Seed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2019, 09:24:29 PM
I didn't watch tonight's game, but they usually have bad shooting nights in early games (pst).

Glancing at the box score, it looks like another bad shooting night for the Dubs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on March 01, 2019, 01:12:28 AM
Jazz - 111
Nuggets - 104


It took a 22 point night from Kyle Korver, another 24 from Donovan Mitchell (on yet another very inconsistent night), and a miraculous overturning of a Rudy Golbert goaltending call late in the 4th, but the Jazz pulled it off.

Unfortunately, because the Heat didn't do their job, we didn't gain any ground tonight on Seeds 4 & 5, and we'll probably lose this ground when we face the Bucks in a few days. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2019, 01:42:14 AM
And like that... the Warriors reclaim the 1 Seed. Mwahahhahahaha!!!!

we needed these last 2 wins though (that we didn't get), as 6 of our upcoming 7 games won't be easy.... but after that, the schedule lightens up quite a but for the majority of what's left in the regular season.

We play Philly, Boston Denver.
get a break with the Suns
then we play Houston, OKC and the Spurs

after that, theres a few games we gotta come out blazing, but they are few and far inbetween.
so Hopefully Durant and everyone has gotten enough rest.... Boogie can rest a bit though, you take it easy there big guy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on March 02, 2019, 11:34:51 PM
Bucks - 111
Jazz - 115


**** yes! The Jazz were never even supposed to be in this game, and a few minutes into the 4th quarter they certainly weren't (being down 12-15). But they came back to win it behind a 46 point night from Donovan Mitchell and another 23 from Derrick Favors.

Yeah, I know there are a lot of extenuating circumstances behind this win, but the Jazz just had a back-to-back with the Clippers & Nuggets the other night, so I don't care. They just beat the best team in the league.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2019, 11:46:17 AM
Dubs got a much needed win....

but in a much more"in the moment" story!!!
Lakers in their last 7 games, have 4 of their last 5 losses to the following TANKING teams:
Hawks
Pels
Grizz
Suns

the fucking SUNS.
From a Lebron who claims to have "ACTIVATED PLAYOFF MODE EARLY"
Lakers are NOT making the Playoffs this year.
Lebron will not allow Luke Walton to survive the summer (but his consolation prize will be that he can start shooting Space Jam 2 early). LOL

Gotta be regretting that exit of the East. smh
We tried to tell him the West is too competitive, and the Lakers are bad.
Under .500 won't win you **** in the West, certainly won't get you in the Playoffs.

in other news....

The Spurs are about to fall to the 8th seed today. and just doing a predictive glance at the rest of their schedule vs the rest of the Kings schedule, Kings have an outside shot at sniping the 8th seed

Comparing the Lakers schedule to to the Timberwolves schedule..... The pups may overtake the 10th seed today with a win... they will have a tie record w/ the Lakers, but have beaten the Lakers during both matchups so far this year. I don't see it lasting long, as Minny doesn't exactly have an easy schedule remaining, but the Lakers remaining schedule looks just as rough TBH.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on March 03, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
You know, has anyone ever figured out why the West has always been super-competitive, at least in my lifetime, but the East has always been a dumpster fire ruled by 1-2 teams?

It just seems strange that since at least the 1980s, the top 9-10 Western teams usually have winning records and are in a tight race for the playoffs. Meanwhile, the Eastern teams seem to cap out their winning records at 6-7, with huge gaps between.

Regarding the Lakers loss to the Pelicans, I was looking at their SBNation blog last night, and apparently the general consensus seems to be that the Pelicans are better without Anthony Davis.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2019, 12:37:13 PM
I have not idea, but it's a good argument to switch to Top 16 Playoffs instead of East v West every year.
More deserving teams in the West than the trash that's happening in the East year after year.
The playoffs would be much more competitive, with the best of the best rising to the top.
1 seed would mean a whole lost more too.

Let's take a look at what a 1-16 would like if the Playoffs were to happen today  (p.s. Lakers still miss the Playoffs. LMAO)

(1 v 16) Buck v Pistons  |  (2 v 15) Raptors v Nets

(8 v 9) Trailblazers v Celtics  |  (7 v 10) Thunder v Rockets


(5 v 12) Pacers v Spurs  |  (6 v 11) 76ers v Jazz

(4 v 13) Nuggets v Clippers  |  (3 v 14) Warriors v Kings 

It's 1 more West v East team lined up like this, but if you knew you were playing for overall record, and not just the record vs the people in your conference, scheduled losses against certain other teams would likely no longer be "scheduled" since now every win counts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
This looks fun. LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/aonouKU.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ThePerm on March 03, 2019, 02:00:27 PM
Yesterday I watched the UFC ppv at a Buffalo Wild Wings. What was also great was there was that Suns vs Lakers game. As a fairweather Suns fan, it was nice to see. My friend had mentioned that "the suns have the like worst record this season"

Then we joked about the ol' Paper Rock Scissors factor.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2019, 06:14:27 PM
rock paper scissors is always a factor... anyone can have a bad night.

But............ The Lakers are fighting for an 8th seed slot.
Lebron stated that he has activated "Playoff Mode®" early this year

they have proceeded to lose game after game to teams that supposedly not really trying to win.
Now the Pelicans may have a bone to pick with Lebron and the Lakers, but Hawks, the Grizz and the Suns are all pretty bad teams (Trae Young has made major improvements upon his early season play though) that are actively playing for draft picks at this point.
If Lebron was really putting in that kind of effort, we shouldn't see **** like this (LMAO)
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1102055989795319808 #Shaqtinafool

If the Lakers just kept playing the way they were playing last year before Lebron, but did it all year, they were likely an 8th seed team. If Lebron never got hurt, they may have been a 5th seed team.
and some may want to say the missing piece is Lonzo.... well, I think he comes back week after next. but that Laker schedule is not forgiving, so good luck sweeping that **** and hoping the Kings, Clips and Spurs all start dropping games like crazy.

Lakers lose against the Clips today, they have to follow up that loss with Denver and the the Celtics.... smh. and they gotta start beating the playoff contenders, they can't afford to give up a single game to anyone at this point.

Their next 8 games: Clippers, Nuggets, Celtics, Bulls, Raptors, Pistons, Knicks, Bucks
the bolded should be their gimmie games, but with the Suns calling their bluff... there are no more gimmie games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on March 04, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
The Lakers aren’t making the playoffs. They probably would have made the playoffs if not for all the injuries despite all the unconventional signings after James. It’s irrelevant either way. If the Lakers make the playoffs, they aren’t winning the title so it’d be the same outcome if they don’t make it except with a worse draft pick. Some may argue that looking this bad will turn off free agents, and I really don’t think that’s the case. It’ll always be a destination franchise unless it’s completely devoid of assets or flexibility like a couple years ago.

There’s a part of me that wants the Lakers to miss the playoffs, somehow win the lottery, draft Zion Williamson, keep him, sign a max player, sign some decent vet role players at the minimum, and trot out that team next year. Not because I like the Lakers. There’s just nothing more delicious than angry sports tears. Then again, I get tired of hearing about any team all the time, and the Lakers get enough of that as a middling team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on March 04, 2019, 09:37:14 AM
Lakers are a dumpster fire right now.

Lots of questionable (at best) off-season choices bringing in ill-fitting vets; young talent that isn't as talented as Lakers fans suggest; injuries derailing the momentum they did have; an ugly failed trade attempt at the deadline despite very publicly having players try to dictate the outcome. There was a point in time where this team could have made a playoff push - that time is long past, and salvaging a draft pick (which will probably end up being a trade asset rather than a Lakers player) is better than nothing.

I guess that dream of a Lakers/Celtics rematch will have to wait a few years.

...
Let's take a look at what a 1-16 would like if the Playoffs were to happen today  (p.s. Lakers still miss the Playoffs. LMAO)
...

Are available TV slots the only reason this hasn't happened yet?  Seems like a much better set of games when you are dropping the teams with the (actual) worst records instead of an almost arbitrary divide.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2019, 01:14:06 PM
I think the All-star game experiment might lead the way to playoff reseeding at some point.

Some West teams realizing they have a shot at beating the bottom 4 in the East and secure a potential playoff spot might motivate them to not tank, rest, or schedule low effort nights.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on March 04, 2019, 03:51:40 PM
Isn't travel a factor as well? You minimize coast-to-coast trips during the first few rounds, and the wear and tear that comes with them, saving it for the finals when you can kind of stretch the time a little more.

Edit: Looking at BNM's example, imagine the Celtics having to go back and forth to Portland, then potentially face the number 1 seed, then perhaps having to travel to LA (a possibility!) for the semi-finals, and then having to keep flying to the west coast to face the Warriors!  That's way too much travel.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2019, 01:19:58 AM
I have been watching the Lakers all this season and the Lakers had to win tonight versus the Clippers to still be mathematically still in the playoff chase. They didn't win tonight.   This season has been frustrating to watch. From the early suspension of Rondo and Ingram versus the Rockets, to the 2-5 start, to the early 4 seed, then LeBron suffering his worst injury of his career and being out 18 games, those losses to tanking teams before the All-Star break, the trade deadline  and then finally these past 3 games versus the Bucks, Suns and Clips.    It has just been tiring to watch going from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows.     

I will say that Lonzo when healthy is the key to unlocking this offense and a very good perimeter defender.  Kuzma I was very happy to see him develop a bit more consistency with his 3s.
Ingram finally figured out how to use his length and size to read opposing passes and on the offensive end as well.
Hart well he gives lots of heart to hustle and defense and his 3 is getting better.

I will say I think chemistry has been a problem all season. Part of that is the injuries and other times I think a bit just finding ones role within the team. The trade deadline pretty much doomed what chemistry there was.    I think next season there needs to be more depth,3 point shooters, consistency at the free throw line. 


As to the other team I sometimes watch here in Phoenix. The Suns.  Well they have some okay pieces around Booker and Aiton but they need a passing PG.   They have as of tonight the 2nd worst record in the league. Those 2 wins versus the Lakers and the Bucks brought them out of the worst record in the league.  If they do get the number 1 pick then obviously it would be Zion and find a PG in free agency. If they drop to 2 then Ja Morant is the choice definitely.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on March 05, 2019, 12:00:45 PM
The Lakers never should have let Julius Randle walk, but they were too busy shitting in Aaron Mintz’s mouth to realize this (Mintz is the agent for Randle, D’Angelo Russell, and Paul George). Randle was arguably the Lakers best player last year and would have been the second or third best player this year. He was already a decent trade asset and would have played himself into being an even better one too if his performance this season is anything to go by so if they wanted to unload him, it wouldn’t have been difficult. The Lakers wanted total flexibility by having cap space for a 10-year max contract without needing to make moves to get there. I mean, I get it as other teams couldn’t hold that over the Lakers. It’s still poor asset management. Keep the assets you have then deal with making the numbers work later.

Keeping Randle as a mostly small ball center would have solved so many problems this year. Hindsight is 20/20. The Lakers should have overpaid him (and posssibly groveled a little to Mintz) to get to sign a one and one with or without the team option. Trading Ivica Zubac for nothing was also asinine. This team better hope they get one of Kevin Durant/Kawhi Leonard/Kyrie Irving or none of this will have been worth it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on March 05, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
The Lakers just beat the Celtics after being down 18 points in the first half. They set a franchise high for three pointers made (22). So, right now, Demps’ trolling worked for one game.

Gotta play the long game, even if it costs you your job. 8)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2019, 01:32:29 AM
So I was pretty surprised how the Suns have gone on a winning streak since beating the Lakers.   They beat the Bucks and tonight they beat the 2 time champs the Warriors.  I am happy to see the growth from them lately. 

The Lakers on the other hand has been bitten by the injury bug with Lonzo most likely not going to play for the rest of the season, Ingram suffering from a blood clot and it is season ending and Hart is still suffering from knee issues.  It has gotten so bad the past few games they had to go with their G League players in some parts of games. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2019, 05:46:36 AM
Lakers are in active TANK MODE. Lebron and Magic have put in the call, and we'll see how the Lakers some how get a Top 2 pick in the draft.
Lonzo and Ingram are both benched for the rest of the season, and Lebron is on minutes restriction.
They not trying to win any more games.

Suns somehow beat the Dubs last time we played too... I was at the game tonight. it was LOW energy the entire night. from the team to the crowd. We took this as a scheduled W and ended up with an L that really doesn't matter (in the moment) as we still have the 1 seed... for now.
Still disappointing, and all the more reasoning why they should switch to a 1-16 seed ranking (to hell with the travel, deal with it.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on March 11, 2019, 08:40:27 AM
Ball and Ingram are injured. Ball was never coming back in six to eight weeks with a grade three ankle sprain. It was probably closer to ten weeks which would be end of March. Sure, he could come back, but why? Ingram is not even allowed to play per league rules because he’s on blood thinners due to DVT (deep vein thrombosis). Blood thinning medicine is the same reason Chris Bosh was forced into early retirement. That doesn’t mean Ingram’s career is over. It may be an isolated incident rather than an on-going condition.

Injuries disrupted any chemistry and rhythm the team had. You can call it “tanking” but also, the team isn’t very good. Tanking implies intentionally trying to lose games. Even when James wasn’t on minutes restriction, the Lakers were bad (James was also playing too much for his age). If a team is bad, they’re usually just losing because other teams are better than them. I hope the Lakers win the lottery because that would be hilarious. The Cavs (via the Clippers pick that landed them Mo Williams) had a 2.8% chance of landing the top pick which they used to draft Kyrie Irving.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on March 11, 2019, 10:54:40 AM
I agree with Adrock. Bad teams can't tank by virtue of them being bad.

I made a promise not to call the draft lottery rigged after the Hornets Pelicans got the pick to draft AD, but that era is over.  I fully expect the Lakers to get a decent pick.

Still disappointing, and all the more reasoning why they should switch to a 1-16 seed ranking (to hell with the travel, deal with it.)

I think the extra travel would also impact the game/TV schedule.  Players would need an extra rest day or two between the games if they're in back-to-back coast-to-coast series.  This would make the playoffs would probably end in like August or something.  Ok, probably not that late, but maybe like another 2 weeks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 23, 2019, 01:53:19 AM
Well as of tonight versus the Brooklyn Nets the Lakers are eliminated mathematically from playoff contention.  I guess it would be fitting that Dlo would eliminate the Lakers after shipping him to the Nets 2 seasons ago when they didn't need to. 

Really the only thing worth looking to is July for free agency and the draft. Currently for the draft they have the 10th pick. Hopefully they can get up to the 8th pick so they have a 26.3% of getting into the top 4.
http://www.tankathon.com/
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 23, 2019, 07:32:02 PM
Now if only the kings will get their **** together and start winning games, maybe they can bump the Spurs out of the Playoffs, and we can have 3 Cali teams in the race, only eliminating the Lakers. LOL

At least now Lebron can go focus on Space Jam 2
but I still hope we get a Curry30 cameo. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2019, 03:48:11 AM
HOLY **** **NSFL WARNING**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY

Yusif Nurkic breaks his leg... just above the ankle. you can hear the snap, it folds back.
and then... and then... the ref kicks him in his flopped foot while stepping over him.



OMG, that was horrific. Watch at your own risk, especially if you have the audio on.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on March 26, 2019, 05:22:04 AM
HOLY **** **NSFL WARNING**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvolan-diXY

Yusif Nurkic breaks his leg... just above the ankle. you can hear the snap, it folds back.
and then... and then... the ref kicks him in his flopped foot while stepping over him.



OMG, that was horrific. Watch at your own risk, especially if you have the audio on.

Well, that's unfortunate. You never like to see a player go down with that kind of injury.

On the other hand, the Blazers are probably the Jazz's 1st Round Opponent, and we've had our own issues with injuries this year so it's beneficial for us.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 26, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
Even worse than the player going down is the dumbass bonehead Ref who kicks his foot on the broken leg, trying to step over him like AI did to Ty Lue. That's some unexcusable bullshit.

The other Ref had to point out that there was a man down, and the first ref looked completely unaware that anything was wrong.
talk about reinforcing stereotypes. How blind can a ref be!? WTF.
there should be a fine for that, suspension maybe, possibly firing? combination of the 1st 2 at the very least.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on March 26, 2019, 12:13:46 PM
That break was awful to look at.

And yeah, the ref should at least be aware enough to walk around a player on the ground.  And I'm not sure if it's their job, but if a player doesn't get up right away, a quick eye scan for apparent injury should be easy enough to do.

But I guess that's one less obstacle for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 11, 2019, 02:46:15 AM
2019 Playoffs are set.

(https://i.imgur.com/jQ2D0qZ.jpg)

Portland beating the Kings today fucked up my bracket choices, as it moved Portland up to 3rd, and Houston down to 4th, which means now OKC doesn't face the Rockets and Utah doesn't face Portland.

That potentially puts us against the Rockets in the 2nd round instead of the WCF... if only we dropped to the 2nd seed. LOL (The Kings let me down today, all they had to do was beat POR)

anyone care to make their 1st round prediction?

Winner & how many games it takes:

edit: Oh, and almost forgot to mention Magic Johnson quit in fashion from the Lakers. Didn't even tell the owner before hand, just held a press conference an admitted defeat and failure.

DWade and Dirk both played their last games this week.
Crowd in Miami actually burst out in "Paul Pierce Sucks!!" chants during Wade's last home game.
(Paul Pierce was asked who had a better carreer or was a better player, PP had nothing nice to say about DWade and instead talked himself up like it was the singularly obvious choice to make.)
DWade also went out on a Triple Double tonight
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2019, 06:17:10 AM
Lets see the first round... Warriors in 5, Rockets in 6, Thunder in 6, Nuggets in 5.  Bucks in 4, Celtics in 5, 76ers in 6, Raptors in 4.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 11, 2019, 08:25:19 AM
Lets see the first round... Warriors in 5, Rockets in 6, Thunder in 6, Nuggets in 5.  Bucks in 4, Celtics in 5, 76ers in 6, Raptors in 4.

Honestly, I'd like to think the Jazz could pull off an upset in 7, but the NBA doesn't allow anyone to be within 10 feet of James Harden, so overall those predictions sound about right to me. -_-
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
Predictions:
Warriors in 4
Jazz in 6
Blazers in 6
Nuggets in 6
Bucks in 4
Pacers in 6
Sixers in 5
Raptors in 5
Oh, and almost forgot to mention Magic Johnson quit in fashion from the Lakers. Didn't even tell the owner before hand, just held a press conference an admitted defeat and failure.
That’s one way of framing it. Another is he’s really close with Jeanie Buss, and if he told her, she would have convinced him to stay which is actually not what’s best for the team. I’m no Magic Johnson stan. Defeat and failure are both accurate. Not telling the owner wasn’t really quitting in fashion though. It wasn’t some final **** you. If anything, it was kind of cowardly.

This whole situation is kooky. Buss brought in people she could trust (understandable after her brother attempted a coup), not people who necessarily knew what they were doing. Rob Pelinka is Kobe Bryant’s former agent who apparently most teams hate. Magic Johnson was never around. He apparently wanted to fire both Luke Walton and Pelinka, but Buss refused out of loyalty for people within the “Lakers family.” [insert air jerking motion here]
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on April 11, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
Warriors in 5
Houston in 6
OKC in 6
Denver in 4
Bucks in 4
Celtics in 5
76ers in 5
Raptors in 6

It's crazy how terrible the Lakers are as an organization currently.  LeBron should've gone to the Clippers if he wanted to be in LA so bad.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2019, 12:59:25 AM
Oh, and almost forgot to mention Magic Johnson quit in fashion from the Lakers. Didn't even tell the owner before hand, just held a press conference an admitted defeat and failure.
That’s one way of framing it. Another is he’s really close with Jeanie Buss, and if he told her, she would have convinced him to stay which is actually not what’s best for the team. I’m no Magic Johnson stan. Defeat and failure are both accurate. Not telling the owner wasn’t really quitting in fashion though. It wasn’t some final **** you. If anything, it was kind of cowardly.

This whole situation is kooky. Buss brought in people she could trust (understandable after her brother attempted a coup), not people who necessarily knew what they were doing. Rob Pelinka is Kobe Bryant’s former agent who apparently most teams hate. Magic Johnson was never around. He apparently wanted to fire both Luke Walton and Pelinka, but Buss refused out of loyalty for people within the “Lakers family.” [insert air jerking motion here]

by "in fashion" I really meant in "Cowardice"
he made a spectacle of it because like you said, he couldn't do it any other way.

It's crazy how terrible the Lakers are as an organization currently.  LeBron should've gone to the Clippers if he wanted to be in LA so bad.

^^This is the truth. Jerry West - "MS Money" Ballmer - new Stadium incoming - no championship (I think)
And if he wanted to stay in the East.... he be back at the top if he joined the 76ers.

either way, at least he'd be in the playoffs. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 12, 2019, 10:48:48 AM
Okay I am not going to let everyone diss the Lakers like this.
First of all he LeBron in part moved to LA for his family. He really liked what they had in the young core and the cap space they had in Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart. He also said he does want to win championships but for the Lakers because of the history of the franchise. He also said recently that he wants his jersey lifted up in the rafters.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on April 12, 2019, 11:30:22 AM
A young core is cool, but it still doesn't mean they're a well run team.  Clippers have hands down the better coach.  Then, Magic basically got called out for not going to work or doing anything as president.  He probably should've been asked to leave sooner so they could put someone more effective in the position.

The Anthony Davis trade botch job was not really The Lakers' fault, so I won't ding them on that, but it does make them look like a comedy of errors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 12, 2019, 12:04:22 PM
Okay I am not going to let everyone diss the Lakers like this.
First of all he LeBron in part moved to LA for his family. He really liked what they had in the young core and the cap space they had in Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma and Hart. He also said he does want to win championships but for the Lakers because of the history of the franchise. He also said recently that he wants his jersey lifted up in the rafters.
The Lakers are my team. I’ll diss them when I feel it’s appropriate. Magic Johnson and Rob Pelinka’s tenure started off pretty well. They managed to get a pick for Lou Williams which they ultimately traded to draft Josh Hart. I didn’t love the D’Angelo Russell trade, but I understood it. We also can’t dismiss what a change of scenery can do for a player so I won’t hold Russell’s rise in Brooklyn against Johnson/Pelinka. Letting Julius Randle walk despite the coaching staff insisting the front office re-sign him was hilariously bad team management. It’s defensible (no Randle means max cap space) but still a worse move. If Randle was on the roster around the trade deadline, the Lakers could have included him in the Anthony Davis trade. Maybe that gets the deal done, maybe it doesn’t. Cutting Thomas Bryant made no sense since he was getting paid rookie minimum wage. Trading Ivica Zubac for *shrug emoji* was just fucking asinine. Last summer’s signings were interesting. They zagged when everyone else zigged. It didn’t work out, but there was a method to that madness.

Jeanie Buss needs to hire the right people, those who know basketball from the management side of the negotiating table. Former Cavs General Manager interviewed for the Pelicans job. I’d bet he’d rather be in Los Angeles. Hire him as President of Basketball Operations and give him full autonomy because he’s proven he can build a championship team, particularly with LeBron James. Chances are he fires Pelinka and keeps Walton. Personally, I’d keep Walton but revamp his staff. Fewer dude-bros, more basketball minds.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 12, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Lakers fires Luke Walton. Rob Pelinka is apparently in charge of the head coach search. Fine.

Hire a President of Basketball Operations then do other stuff. This isn’t difficult.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2019, 10:55:18 PM
Lakers fires Luke Walton. Rob Pelinka is apparently in charge of the head coach search. Fine.

Hire a President of Basketball Operations then do other stuff. This isn’t difficult.

No, I want to see the next PBO fire Pelinka and then also fire his coach as well.

But rumor is that Lakers are looking at Ty Lue for the next Head Coach position.... smh.
Let the **** show in land of LAL continue.

It's also very likely that Luke Walton will be hired on as Head Coach of the Kings for next season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on April 13, 2019, 08:12:50 AM
Warriors in the West but the WCF is closer than most expect, Milwaukee beats Toronto in a ECF game 7 reffed by the trio of Tim, Jim, and Clyde "Slim" Donaghy, Warriors in 6 in the finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 13, 2019, 05:26:09 PM
So, the Nets upset the 76ers today. Huh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 13, 2019, 06:12:41 PM
I had to check if Embid played for the 76ers but he did and I guess the difference was the bench for the Nets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 13, 2019, 07:48:33 PM
Man, I didn't think I'd get to use one of my favorite sports gifs already, but here we are. Things come, things go, but the Raptors...are still the Raptors.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpectacularDigitalGuineafowl-small.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 13, 2019, 07:51:32 PM
Jebus............
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 13, 2019, 10:59:48 PM
Dubs in 3!!!
4th game is a formality.

I'm glad Durant took Beverly out the game. He was hunting for blood. If he hurt either a Steph or any other Warrior, I might've had to drive it to Oakland tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 14, 2019, 12:59:40 AM
Wow, we had an eventual first day of the playoffs with 3 upsets, concluding with the Spurs upsetting the Nuggets.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2019, 09:11:41 AM
I thought I had posted this already, but I guess not.....

Game of Zones season opener
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdVTBGEuxhM


and the Bucks v Pistons was an outright embarrassment.
they should relinquish game 2 to the Hornets, and if the Hornets can't present even the smallest of challenge, they should blend the best of the 2 teams or let the Bucks play the next 2 against the Heat in Miami.

Also, Jazz needs to step it up in Game 2. I didn't get to really watch, but it sounds like the strategy of keep Harden off the line and instead giving him a lane, were everyone collapses on him does not work. please refine the strategy. Please put the right person on him to actually execute said strategy, and please do better in game 2.

Portland will eventually lose to OKC.... maybe, either way, I want it to be a 7 game series. Don't really care who walks away from this one. would prefer to see Dame Dolla get to the 2nd round over Westprick and PG

Pacers had the 1st half firmly under control... not sure what happened in the 2nd half, but talk about a "Tale of Two Half's" it was like 2 different games. Pacers need to figure out whatever they were doing right in teh first half, and apply that to the game in the 2nd half too
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 15, 2019, 05:52:16 PM
I think the Jazz will be much more competitive in Game 2. I don't have Cable anymore, so I wasn't able to watch the game live, but from what I understand just about all of the Jazz's shooters went ice cold in Game 1. I highly doubt that will happen again.

The defense is another story. The NBA won't allow anyone to guard James Harden.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 15, 2019, 06:27:59 PM
I saw a video a few weeks back on how the Bucks defended against Harden and it is pretty eye opening.
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwynmarNMkI
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on April 15, 2019, 07:26:15 PM
Reports are that Blake Griffin is expected to miss the entire first round of the playoffs. But you could say that same sentence with about four fewer words.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 16, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
So how about them Dubs? Seems like they just want ALL the records...
(The funny part is that we all know dropping that game doesn't matter. There is no way that Warriors are losing this series.)

Man, I didn't think I'd get to use one of my favorite sports gifs already, but here we are. Things come, things go, but the Raptors...are still the Raptors.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SpectacularDigitalGuineafowl-small.gif)

As a long-time Raps fan who has thoroughly enjoyed a strong regular season, I'm shocked at how many analysts didn't see this coming. Raps always lose the first game, and Orlando came in hot with some tough match-ups for Toronto.

That said, things look easily correctable. If 3-point shooting stabilizes a bit, defensive rotations aren't outright blown, and the point guard situation is brought under control then Orlando should be outmatched over the course of a 7-game series. Hopefully. What a terrible upset that would be for Toronto otherwise...

For what it's worth, I was also shocked by how many people predicted the Raps could make the finals. I expect the Bucks would crush them before that happen, if Toronto even makes it that far. Giannis & Co consistently look amazing this year, and feel like a team that knows exactly who and what they are.

Sometimes you have to prove yourself when the pressure is on, even if you have talent on paper. So far, Toronto (much like Philly) hasn't done that. Those two teams would be a great second round series for just that reason.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on April 16, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
31 must be a cursed number.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 16, 2019, 05:01:35 PM
Yeah what is it with the Warriors and the numbers 3 and 1.

I wonder if the Clips are going to make this series more competitive than most of us thought. I could see the Clippers splitting the 2 games at Staples Center. I also wonder if Boogie going down is going to make things more difficult for them. I mean they are essentially last years team now.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2019, 05:20:56 PM
Boogie slowed us down. He's also slow on defense.
I actually think we'll fare better without him, even if he was an asset on offense in the post.
If Stone hands Looney can just develop a more aggressive approach with a softer touch, we'll be fine.

That 31pt comeback will be a wakeup call. I don't think it happens again in these playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on April 16, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
The Raptors have exceeded the most dangerous lead in basketball as of this post.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 16, 2019, 10:12:09 PM
The Raptors have exceeded the most dangerous lead in basketball as of this post.

Yeah, it's look like they took that Game 1 loss a BIT personally.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 17, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
*sigh* Looks like not renewing my Cable subscription was a good idea.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
no point in watching the Jazz Rockets series, huh?

I blame the Kings for fucking up our brackets.
It should've been Jazz Trailblazers & OKC Rockets

that would've given us the match up we all wanted.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2019, 10:56:54 AM
Anyone watch the Dubs Clips game last night?

WTF is up with the refs?
I really hope the league review that double T on Durant and Green (on the Clips).
there was a foul, and then they were talking it out, Durant was laughing, and the ref came up an slapped them both with a T.... like they were arguing. They were both blown away as they weren't doing anything to warrant a technical at all.

and all the ticky tacky calls, some were plain as day in replay, but then you wonder why others weren't called, yet some BS mystery calls... on both teams were called. The reffing was suspect in the first half.

Has it been like this in all the rest of the Playoff games too?
I know there was another Playoff game I was watching where the refs were trying hard to control the flow of the game by calling suspect fouls, but i can't remember who I was watching.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on April 19, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
The double T was rescinded on both ends, yeah.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2019, 01:47:34 AM
That Rockets Jazz game.... smfh

They held Harden to 0/15 from the field until the 4th quarter.
Had CP3 at 5 fouls early in the 3rd

and still couldn't manage to put points on the board or create any sort of lead whatsoever.
kept chucking and missing 3's....  wide open too.

Brood.... you ok man?
Your boys look like they bout to be swept.

Can't ask for more of a gift from Houston than the performance they put up today.
had they been playing the Warriors, it woulda been a 20pt+ blowout.
Jazz easily should have maintained at least a double digit lead for the majority of that game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 21, 2019, 02:04:36 AM
That Rockets Jazz game.... smfh

They held Harden to 0/15 from the field until the 4th quarter.
Had CP3 at 5 fouls early in the 3rd

and still couldn't manage to put points on the board or create any sort of lead whatsoever.
kept chucking and missing 3's....  wide open too.

Brood.... you ok man?
Your boys look like they bout to be swept.

Can't ask for more of a gift from Houston than the performance they put up today.
had they been playing the Warriors, it woulda been a 20pt+ blowout.
Jazz easily should have maintained at least a double digit lead for the majority of that game.

The only thing I can say is that we may have one of the best front offices in the league (seriously, Dennis Lindsey has made some amazing moves over the years maintaining the team at its current level), but last season after the Jazz got easily bounced out of the playoffs in the 2nd round they needed to make some major changes. Instead, the front office chose to keep the team as it was. A year later, every other team in the West improved, and the Jazz finished at the same seed and now look to be easily bounced from the 1st round.

One of the reasons why I hate the Lakers and other similar teams is that success historically has come so easy for them. They have a history, they have money, and they have the draw of the big cities. Big name talent just wants to play there. By comparison, the Jazz have had to fight tooth and nail to get every bit of talent they've ever had, outside of the flukes that were Stockton and Malone (who the Jazz drafted, and who were happy playing in Utah for decades). Big name talent just doesn't come to Utah without trades or luck at the Draft.

The Jazz need to get aggressive this off-season and heavily pursue big talent. Donovan Mitchell is an amazing talent, but like Gordan Hayward and Deron Williams (**** him) before him, he's not going to stick around for mediocrity year after year. And man are Jazz fans sick of the front office sitting on its hands every offseason and trade deadline.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2019, 05:50:55 AM
Truth is, we always knew that the Jazz was never beating the Rockets in a 7 game series anyway, but I was hoping they would put up more of a fight than they have so far.... Rockets basically gifted them a game. That's actually selling it short, but the Jazz earned this game on defense, but couldn't secure it on offense. It's a damn shame.

if things went as planned, they would have been paired up with Portland, which I think would have been a better match up, also pitting the Rockets vs OKC which would have been much more fun to watch for both series. I blame the Kings for fucking this up. Portland tried to give the win to the Kings, and they still couldn't take it....

Rockets vs Dubs will be good, but would've been better saved for the WCF, as the winner of that series goes to the Finals for sure. And most likely wins it all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2019, 06:12:38 AM
and I remember these days for the Warriors... it wasn't for playoffs, but damn.
If i was in Indiana, do I want to go to a Pacers Playoff game, or buy some fast food and watch the game at home?

(https://i.imgur.com/khe07wP.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 21, 2019, 04:43:26 PM
Well Celtics beat the Pacers in 4 and it was pretty close till the 4th quarter where the Celtics just didn't let up.  I did like that the Pacers kept shooting 3s near the end even though with the time remaining it was unlikely that they would eclipse the Celtics.  1st series wrapped up with the Celtics progressing to the 2nd round.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2019, 09:10:06 PM
Game of Zones S6E2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_BN-_SUEYQ


and that Raptor Magic game was Zzzzz
that series needs to end already. Bucks about to sweep the Pistons, and I'm pretty sure the Sixers will finish of the Nets in the next game, but the Nets are putting up a good fight.
No idea how long the Celtics Pacers series will go, but I'm pretty sure the Celts come out on top.

Warriors handled the Clips today, and will most likely finish them off on Wednesday.
HOPEFULLY, the Jazz can get it together for 1 game and extend the Rocket series at least 1 more game so that the Rockets get no rest before the next series (assuming the Dubs finish off the Clips as expected on Wed.)

Who knows who comes out of the Pacers Spurs series.... don't honestly care tbh. LOL
and I'm hoping this OKC Portland series goes 6 or more, because I feel whoever wins between these 2 go the WCF. I'd would love to see Westbook lose, but I'd rather face OKC. lol

2nd round in the East should be a good watch
Raps v Sixers should be fun
Bucks v Celtics could be good too

and in the West we got
Dubs v Rockets which is the probably gonna be the most watched series of the 1st/2nd round easily

still not sure about the other 2 series
Portland(?) v Spurs(?)?

It's looking like Portland is gonna take this game, since they are up by 15 atm.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2019, 12:52:08 AM
BROOOOOOD!!!!! Where you at!!!

Are the Jazz about to do it!!!?
are they gonna not get swept and take this back to Houston on Wednesday?
please make it happen!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 23, 2019, 12:54:59 AM
BROOOOOOD!!!!! Where you at!!!

Are the Jazz about to do it!!!?
are they gonna not get swept and take this back to Houston on Wednesday?
please make it happen!!!!

I'm not saying a goddamn word. I've seen how these have gone when I have.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2019, 01:06:47 AM
I think you can say something now!!! :D

Utah stadium is absolutely DEAFENING right now.
I hope you guys take one in Houston too. I'm rooting for you. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 23, 2019, 01:10:24 AM
Alright, then, now that the game is over and the Jazz DID win...WOO!  :D

Man, what a weird game. You know it's bizarro-land when the Jazz win behind big games from Mitchell, Jae Crowder, Ricky Rubio, and Royce O'Neal of all people. Ingles, Favors, Golbert, and Korver were pretty much non-factors until the final minutes of the game.

Well, at least we're going to leave this series with some dignity before we walk into the woodchipper that will be Game 5. Hey, should the unlikeliest of all events occur and we SOMEHOW get to Game 7, that game would actually be on my birthday!

It would be nice to push this to Game 6, but I think this ends in Game 5. The Rockets are just a really bad match-up for the Jazz, and outside of Mitchell and Rubio our big players just aren't getting it together.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2019, 01:17:37 AM
Honestly, if the Jazz stopped shooting 3's in game 3 and took it to the hole like they did tonight, this might be a 2-2 series right now heading back to Houston.
Thye kept trying to rely on the quick come-back (live by and die by the 3) and it failed them in the long run. Had they just kept chipping away in the paint, it could've been a different game.

If it wasn't for the fact that my Warriors are also playing on Wednesday (thank you for taking the Rockets to at least one more game, starting this Wednesday as well) I would lend you some of that GS Rain and Shine, but I don't want to underestimate the Clippers....
You guys got this.

and Gobert was a liability for that brief 30 seconds he came in at the end of the 4th. Quinn yanked his ass so quick after 2 fuckups in a row, the 2nd just being baffling.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 23, 2019, 01:23:44 AM
Honestly, if the Jazz stopped shooting 3's in game 3 and took it to the hole like they did tonight, this might be a 2-2 series right now heading back to Houston.
Thye kept trying to rely on the quick come-back (live by and die by the 3) and it failed them in the long run. Had they just kept chipping away in the paint, it could've been a different game.

If it wasn't for the fact that my Warriors are also playing on Wednesday (thank you for taking the Rockets to at least one more game, starting this Wednesday as well) I would lend you some of that GS Rain and Shine, but I don't want to underestimate the Clippers....
You guys got this.

and Gobert was a liability for that brief 30 seconds he came in at the end of the 4th. Quinn yanked his ass so quick after 2 fuckups in a row, the 2nd just being baffling.

The stat lines that confounds me are Korver & Ingles'. They not only aren't making shots. They're flat out not TAKING them. Considering that they're supposed to be taking the pressure off Mitchell, their absence is probably the bulk of the reason why this series has gone the way it has.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2019, 01:26:50 AM
Let's hope they show up in Houston... or is Korver hurt?

I heard something about an injury, and I don't remember seeing him during this game.
But Ingles I don't think I saw take more than 1-2 shots.... meanwhile Rubio chucked up about 5-6 3pt bricks in a row.
I didn't see most of the 1st half, but I tuned in with about 7or so minutes left in the 1st half, so maybe I missed something.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 23, 2019, 01:33:51 AM
Let's hope they show up in Houston... or is Korver hurt?

I heard something about an injury, and I don't remember seeing him during this game.
But Ingles I don't think I saw take more than 1-2 shots.... meanwhile Rubio chucked up about 5-6 3pt bricks in a row.
I didn't see most of the 1st half, but I tuned in with about 7or so minutes left in the 1st half, so maybe I missed something.

Korver did get hurt towards the end of regular season, but I thought he was recovered by now. Perhaps he's not 100%, so Quin Synder sees him as a liability at the moment.

Incidentally, something I suspected was going on, but I see a LOT of push-offs by the Rockets in the official replay of this game, mostly from Harden because of course they are. It's nice to see that some things never change when it comes to playoff officiating.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 23, 2019, 06:45:17 AM
The push offs are SO BLATANT too. it's ridiculous.
at this point, you just gotta hope he keeps missing them. LOL

and then continue to keep scoring. and that's where they failed in game 3. They couldn't score.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on April 24, 2019, 08:43:53 AM
Damian Lillard is a stone cold killer. Getting to 50 with a game winning stepback 3 from midcourt? (https://twitter.com/NBCSNorthwest/status/1120915920375963650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1120915920375963650%7Ctwgr%5E363937393b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fajax%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1120915920375963650%26autosize%3D1)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
they said that cat been something like 60% from beyond 27ft in this series.

3pt line is something like 23.6ft? I'm not sure.
Wish I was watching when it happened. OKC should have known better...
but they were also up 17 sometime in the 4th. never should've gotten there.

#ENDGAME
Dame Time
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 24, 2019, 10:59:03 AM
I liked when Paul George said that it was "a bad shot" only to have statistics complete contradict him. Please whine harder OKC.

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--DfkmPkZn--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/arg5rmma6bkjijsady8v.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 24, 2019, 11:11:38 AM
I agree with George though. The stats (small sample size and all) might disagree, but he had Lillard out close to half and even stepped up on him to get a solid hand up on the shot. Defensively, you could say that he wasn't close enough, that he should have forced a drive and kick just to make someone else be the one to beat them... but when someone takes a contested, side-step jumper from close to half court while being contested, you have to just live with those results.

Great game, amazing shot. Anyone acting like this is statistically normal is misrepresenting - it was a spectacular way to finish a series! Lillard is an absolute assassin, like few others I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2019, 11:43:42 AM
He was over 60% from 27ft and beyond for the series.
That wasn't even the only deep 3 he made in that game.

When he's on like that, you gotta guard him like Steph.
Lillard is deadly from all over the court, you gotta be all in his face like you would Steph.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 24, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
He was over 60% from 27ft and beyond for the series.
...

60% over how many shots, over how many games? 
When a sample size is this small, how much value do those stats really have?

I'm agreeing they probably should have crowded Lillard more to get the ball out of his hands and make someone else take the potential game-winning shot. I'm agreeing that the best comparable is Curry for range and pure shot-making ability, and that you shouldn't give Dame space regardless of where he is on the court.

But if you care about process over results, the shot selection wasn't good and the "end results over everything" analysis isn't helpful.

My takeaways are that you can't leave a great shooter who is having an amazing game with that much time and space. Especially not when the shooter knows that there is no pressure on the shot (if Lillard missed, no harm - they just go into overtime) and that he's got enough confidence to pull the trigger without question.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 24, 2019, 05:14:55 PM
Just wanted to share this glorious headline from The Root:

Manhunt Underway After Dame Lillard Commits 1st-Degree Murder on National Television (https://www.theroot.com/manhunt-underway-after-dame-lillard-commits-1st-degree-1834267326/amp)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 24, 2019, 05:37:27 PM
60% over how many shots, over how many games? 
When a sample size is this small, how much value do those stats really have?

He was 8 of 12 from beyond 30 feet in the series. 4 of 6 in Game 5.
We can spin it any way we want and Paul can whine and whine but that was not a bad shot by Lillard. He can and will hit those more often than not.

EDIT: He's 30% career making shots between 30 and 40 feet (37 of 122). This season he was 39.2% (20 of 59).
https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1121049794347028481

EDIT 2: Also, yeah. I don't want to hear about bad shots from the dude sitting next to Russell Westbrook.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 24, 2019, 06:15:33 PM
That was an amazing shot, but it was also an absolutely wretched play. What if that shot HADN'T gone in and the Blazers then lost in OT? Then we would be berating him for just holding the ball beyond the key until the clock was nearly expired before throwing up a wayward 3.

In that respect, I absolutely agree with George.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 24, 2019, 07:25:59 PM
...
This season he was 39.2% (20 of 59).
...

Look closely at the claims you are making (or at least, quoting). Do you want to rethink that math?
Or maybe not - that could explain why you think that it wasn't possible to find a better shot when only a single point was needed to win the game?

One last funny note: your "can and will hit those more often than not" comment makes me laugh, when it's clear that it's not true. He hits them, and he hits them often enough that I'm not against him taking them. But when you need a single point, and have a single opportunity, that's not the shot you should be seeking out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 24, 2019, 10:23:03 PM
*sigh*

Well...what can you do? The Jazz made the Rockets earn this last win, and they were in it until the end. Their offense just couldn't put them over the top. Not much more you can ask from a team this outmatched than that.

As I said before, the Jazz head office needs to get serious for once this offseason and make some major changes. Jazz fans aren't satisfied with just making the playoffs anymore. Our team needs to be a legitimate threat to the higher seeds, and that won't happen so long as they remain conservative.

On the vindictive side, I look forward to the Warriors beating the crap out of the Rockets and ensuring that Chris Paul and James Harden continue to not have Championships.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 25, 2019, 12:33:50 AM
Jazz had a legitimate chance at being up 3-2 in that series as they could've easily taken the last 3 games had they just been able to produce some offense.

But damn these Clippers ain't backing down. They making this a helluva game right now. Hopefully the Warriors pull through and don't give the Rockets any rest.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 25, 2019, 01:17:36 AM
Wow the Clips are making this a series now. Clippers won tonight. I will say that I am liking what the Clippers are doing. I am thinking that the lack of Boogie is hurting the Warriors. I mean Durant, Curry and Thompson scored 91 and it wasn't enough for the Clippers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 25, 2019, 02:17:17 AM
...
This season he was 39.2% (20 of 59).
...

Look closely at the claims you are making (or at least, quoting). Do you want to rethink that math?
Or maybe not - that could explain why you think that it wasn't possible to find a better shot when only a single point was needed to win the game?

That's the shot you take when you have a tie game and you get the last shot of regulation. Arguing about shot selection IN THIS INSTANCE is so dumb because THIS IS WHAT DAME DOES. It's crazy y'all out here arguing that Dame will drive past PG (a DPOY candidate) and somehow have a higher percentage shot than the shot he took.

It's a bad shot if PG takes it. It's a bad shot if Russell takes it. It's a bad shot when everyone in Portland except Dame takes it. But it was Dame who took the shot. And it's dumb that PG of all people started this whole "shot selection" argument WHILE HE WAS SITTING NEXT TO RUSSELL WESTBROOK. That's the only reason we're talking about this.

The Thunder set their final regulation possession defense thinking the dude who had shot 7 of 11 from beyond 30 feet at that moment wasn't going to put up another shot from that distance and make it, even though statistically it was the safest moment for him to do so. That's a risk you're willing to take and if he burns you, so be it. But don't go talking after the fact about how it was a "bad shot".
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 25, 2019, 09:38:45 AM
That's the shot you take when you have a tie game and you get the last shot of regulation. Arguing about shot selection IN THIS INSTANCE is so dumb because THIS IS WHAT DAME DOES. It's crazy y'all out here arguing that Dame will drive past PG (a DPOY candidate) and somehow have a higher percentage shot than the shot he took.

It's a bad shot if PG takes it. It's a bad shot if Russell takes it. It's a bad shot when everyone in Portland except Dame takes it. But it was Dame who took the shot.
That’s how I viewed it. There are like three players in the NBA where I’d think, “Yeah, that’s about right,” after taking that shot even if he missed, and Damian Lillard is two of those guys.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 25, 2019, 10:07:12 AM
Not sure why you sound so sore about it.

Nobody is defending Westbrook's shot selection, so I don't know why you feel that's relevant.
I've admitted that George didn't put enough pressure on, although he did close and get a hand-up, forcing a tough side-step attempt from beyond 35 feet.
We all know Lillard is a cold-hearted killer on the court.
These are all facts.

But Lillard could have gotten a higher percentage look and there was no effective difference between a three and a free throw in determining who wins the game. The numbers you quoted are wrong (not sure if it's the shots taken/hit or the percentage - but one of them MUST be wrong) and in either case they are sub-40% looks at best. It's that easy. Side-step threes from beyond 35 feet to get clear of George's block attempt can go down, but aren't the best shots and aren't amazingly consistent.

Results look good because Lillard is an amazing player. Process (and your conclusion) is flawed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2019, 02:32:49 AM
Man, who could have called the Spurs & Nuggets for the most interesting series of the 1st round?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 26, 2019, 07:07:04 AM
Nuggets vs Spurs, with Warriors vs Clippers close behind... wow!
The East wasn't going to compete - everyone knows there are only 4 big (maybe) teams out there, but I think a lot of people expected Nuggets and Warriors to roll.
The big question to me is which series will be most exciting in round 2. There are some questions about playoff readiness, and it's had to know if some of those series will be very close all the way or if teams will disappoint and fold early. *coughRaptorsSixerscough*


"If anything, it was bad defense..." --Lillard
He's not wrong here. Sometimes a great shooter simply takes what he's given, and there wasn't nearly enough pressure even if George did close the gap just before the shot.

(I'm not backing down from my take that Lillard could have created a higher percentage look, but the defense was far too lax for a season-ending shot.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 27, 2019, 01:02:05 AM
Huh the Warriors changed their starting lineup and got a win on the back of Durant scoring 50 and better defense. Clippers made it interesting though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2019, 01:50:30 AM
They were trying to play the "we'll just outscore them" game. Clippers won that in game 5.
Gotta play defense. We really stepped it up today on the defensive end.

I hope this level of motivation continues on Sunday, and the rest of the playoffs for the dubs.

and they better, because the Rockets flew into town tonight to practice at Oracle while the Dubs were down in LA.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 27, 2019, 07:18:40 PM
Lets see the first round... Warriors in 5, Rockets in 6, Thunder in 6, Nuggets in 5.  Bucks in 4, Celtics in 5, 76ers in 6, Raptors in 4.

Lets see how I did... Warriors in 6, Rockets in 5, Portland in 5, Nuggets in 7,  Bucks in 4, Celtics in 4, 76ers in 5, Raptors in 5.
I got most of them right for the winners but I got a few correct in the number of games.
Round 2 currently I say Warriors in 7, Denver in 6, Bucks win in 6, Raptors win in 7.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on April 27, 2019, 11:44:31 PM
/me mutters something about the Toronto sports black swan being the Raptors winning a game 1
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 27, 2019, 11:53:17 PM
Looks like it will be the Nuggets moving on to play the Trail Blazers in Round 2. Pity. As much as I want success for Paul Millsap as a former Jazzman, it would be nice to see an actual upset in these playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 28, 2019, 02:52:00 AM
Bit of a funny recap of the first round.

For BnM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75PVEFu25o
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2019, 02:57:51 AM
/me mutters something about the Toronto sports black swan being the Raptors winning a game 1

Drake was spotted wearing the Sixers jersey though....
that may play in Toronto's favor.


I just saw the ending to that Nuggets Spurs game 7.... smfh
I think Pops gonna retire. I think the players on the court just wanted to go home.

Down 5, 26 second left in regulation of game 7 on the road.
.....and you don't foul.
Pops is on the court screaming at them to foul. The few Spurs fans in attendance and everyone at home had to be yelling "foul him!!". Yet they let the clock run down.... get the rebound, and then don't even bother to get a shot off at the end.

I didn't watch more than 5 minutes of this 7 game series, but it looks like either team would've gotten routed by any other team in the playoffs.... East or West.
If only the Dubs had taken the 2nd seed. LOL. Easy 1st round sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 28, 2019, 07:40:00 PM
Help me out, Warriors fans.

I didn't understand the reffing of Warriors v. Rockets, where three point shooters clearly weren't given space to land. I'm not a fan of watching Harden bait for fouls, but this game showed a consistent change from how calls have been made for the past couple of years and clearly in favor of one side. Were shooters pushing their feet forward too far, because it didn't look that way.

Seems like a gift for the Warriors after a tougher-than-expected series against the Clippers.
Curious to see what the last two minute report states.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on April 28, 2019, 07:46:57 PM
Help me out, Warriors fans.

I didn't understand the reffing of Warriors v. Rockets, where three point shooters clearly weren't given space to land. I'm not a fan of watching Harden bait for fouls, but this game showed a consistent change from how calls have been made for the past couple of years and clearly in favor of one side. Were shooters pushing their feet forward too far, because it didn't look that way.

Seems like a gift for the Warriors after a tougher-than-expected series against the Clippers.
Curious to see what the last two minute report states.

The game is being officiated like this because the Rockets' opponents are the Warriors. Harden was certainly getting those calls before this series, for better or worse. ticky-tack fouls where the shooter draws contact are his entire game.

The League wants Boston or Golden State to be the NBA Champion, and that's how these playoffs are going to be officiated.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 28, 2019, 11:38:41 PM
That **** happens to Curry ALL THE TIME.
Now while it was clear Klay committed this 3 times in garden, what they didn't replay ad nauseum was how often it happens to Curry, Klay and Durant, yet they're is never a call.

I'm glad CP13 got called for the 3pt flop where he stuck out his hip and then curled into fetal position in mid air looking for the foul. Ref wasn't having none of that ****... not from him. not today.

Other times the shooter is kicking out the feet to make contact. And I'll admit again, Klay clearly crowded Harden on 3 of those shots. But they didn't call them on both sides. What you didn't see was then calling out the Rockets for how often it happened to the Warriors or repeatedly showing replays of this happening to the Warriors too.

But just look at who was announcing, and you can see why there was a clear bias to the commentating.

edit: This is also the Playoffs, so all that regular season wolf tickets being sold for Harden and CP3 foul hunting calls ain't gonna get as much play in the post season.
But if they ain't gonna call it one way, then don't call it the other way either.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2019, 01:55:43 AM
Watching Harden freak out because he's not getting foul calls fills my heart with joy.

Dude literally threw his feet beyond the 3 point line into Draymond on the play where Paul got tossed. It's like he completely forgot the refs were overcompensating for screwing up in the first half and were grinding the game to a halt even as Durant was destroying them. Great job by Paul taking himself out of games and getting dumb techs as if the spirit of Draymond has invaded him.

I love how the narrative is "the NBA wants a Boston/Golden State Finals" and not "Houston built a 50+ win team on the back of two people who are constantly exploiting ticky-tack foul calls and it's come back to haunt them".

Anyway, I can't wait for game 2 where even the slightest bit of contact will be called and at least 3 superstars will foul out. Because that's how NBA playoff games should be decided.

EDIT: Also the worst part of the game wasn't the officiating. It was hearing Marc Jackson and JVG complain about the officiating.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on April 29, 2019, 07:24:56 AM
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But if they ain't gonna call it one way, then don't call it the other way either.

Full disclosure, didn't watch the full game as I was doing a lot of of stuff with my family at the same time.
However, I did see at least one instance where Houston got away with a similar foul on three point shooters.

I don't really buy into the "league agenda" narrative, despite being a Toronto fan. (Does any team feel as consistently put upon as the Raptors? They built a whole identity on being outsiders.)  However, I found the officiating in this game pretty terrible overall and a huge shift from what has been considered normal.  If reports are true that refs admitted to Houston that they missed 4 calls at the half, it only makes the whole thing stranger.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2019, 08:31:40 AM
Watching Harden freak out because he's not getting foul calls fills my heart with joy.
But, Soren, Harden just wants a fair chance from the refs. (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26629518/rockets-harden-wants-fair-chance-refs)
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I mean, I just want a fair chance, man. Call the game how it's supposed to be called, and that's it. And I'll live with the results.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on April 29, 2019, 09:13:38 AM
Maybe it's because I only caught the replays, but it looked like there were some obvious fouls not being called.  Sure, there was the time when Harden seemed to extend his legs pretty far, but the others looked like pretty clear fouls.

The tech on Draymond was pretty stupid. Did he just curse at a ref? Was that it?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Watching Harden freak out because he's not getting foul calls fills my heart with joy.
But, Soren, Harden just wants a fair chance from the refs. (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26629518/rockets-harden-wants-fair-chance-refs)
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I mean, I just want a fair chance, man. Call the game how it's supposed to be called, and that's it. And I'll live with the results.

"I can't believe the refs aren't giving me the benefit of the doubt after I've spent the last few years tricking them into giving me favorable calls."

Yes, the game was an officiating nightmare. That doesn't mean I have to feel bad for Harden. And I would say this even if I wasn't a fan of the Warriors, who by the way look intent on blowing their last shot at an easy championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on April 29, 2019, 10:29:40 AM
I was just joking. Harden, of all people, complaining about officiating is absurd.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 29, 2019, 10:34:07 AM
reap what you sow.

All the NBA talk shows are talking about the officiating non-calls.
lots of them all agree the first 3 by Klay were fouls, but the majority of the ones after that were exaggerated to get Ref attention, a under closer review may have been good non-calls.

NOt that I watched that many this morning, saw some clips on youtube, but
Some talked about how that's how Harden and CP3 get through the regular season, foul hunting

so most have no sympathy for the exaggerations. but do caution against another "Kahwi Zaza" situation going towards either team.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on April 29, 2019, 07:18:25 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26634745/rockets-audited-18-game-7-say-finals-bid-taken

Houston publicly humiliating themselves now and I could not be more for it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2019, 09:39:23 AM
Holy ****..... I knew Steph hurt his finger in the game on Tuesday, but I had no idea it was a dislocation :/

that looks bad. I've never see a dislocation like this one.

(https://i.imgur.com/lvFEVTB.png)

Good thing it was on his non shooting hand. And that still didn't stop him from reaching and swiping all game. LOL
He gotta find a way to stay out of foul trouble. We need him on the court.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 02, 2019, 10:23:00 AM
I regret clicking into this thread and viewing that picture of Curry’s finger.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2019, 12:12:44 PM
Just remember all that bitching by the Rockets in game 1 about dangerous non calls? Calling it fair? Living with the results?

This was also Rockets in game 1:
https://mobile.twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/1122652755292672001/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5R2uKvUcAAJllH?format=jpg&name=small)

This is why you don't take the bait from the boy who cried wolf.
This shot happens to Curry so often, he already adapted to landing limp to avoid injury.


 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 02, 2019, 12:48:20 PM
I was like "I hope someone doesn't post that photo of Curry's fucked up looking finger" before clicking this thread.

-thinking emoji-

That being said Draymond is looking fit and ready to defend which, whew, was not expecting it to happen 4 months ago.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2019, 04:19:08 PM
Dray supposedly lost 23lbs since ASB till playoffs.

oh, and the pic is now on the previous page. remind me to quote it later so it is at the top of this page aswell.:P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 02, 2019, 10:27:01 PM
Can I rewind back to the whiney ass Rockets again for a second....

just wanted to share this pic from Game 1.
It shows how hard they trying to trick the Refs for fouls, and why they of all teams have no room to complain when they don't get calls.

The last pic (not the finger. lol) I posted was of harden trying to Zaza-special Steph Curry. Not even trying for the ball... just positioning himself under the shooter.
Just remember all that bitching by the Rockets in game 1 about dangerous non calls? Calling it fair? Living with the results?

This was also Rockets in game 1:
https://mobile.twitter.com/warriorsworld/status/1122652755292672001/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5R2uKvUcAAJllH?format=jpg&name=small)

This is why you don't take the bait from the boy who cried wolf.
This shot happens to Curry so often, he already adapted to landing limp to avoid injury.

Here is Harden lawn chairing Draymond.
(https://i.imgur.com/WhHZm2I.png)

you can see Harden's take off spot, how he jumped forward, but then kicked his legs out for the contact at the end. Draymond approached, and landed at the 3pt line, where Harden had to reach a lil further to make the contact. Refs did not fall for the BS.

edit: and Game 2....
CP3 trying to Zaza Special on Klay
https://streamable.com/ucxar

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2019, 12:51:20 AM
Game of Zones S6E3
https://youtu.be/cTU8iRdwfGc

Game of Zones S6E4
https://youtu.be/6SGvnwsbf88
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 05, 2019, 01:03:41 AM
So the Rockets won tonight and they looked like the more complete team I was kinda expecting them to be with the hussle, paint and 3 pt buckets and being better defensively. The Warriors are still up 2-1 but this could be a turning point for the Rockets.

In other news it looks like the Suns have found a new coach in Monty Williams for 5 years. Looking like he is going to be their coach to help with the team and the Suns new draft pick going forward.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2019, 06:30:24 AM
you trippin.

Curry was an absolute embarrassment tonight.
from the missed 7 layups and self rim checked dunk, Steph is the reason the Dubs lost the game tonight. I left the house dub'd up tonight and i had to explain the bullshit that went down tonight several times..... i was embarrassed for the warriors tonigh.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2019, 06:35:35 AM
I need this shirt....

(https://preview.redd.it/xs6oleka69w21.jpg?width=768&auto=webp&s=f87d73bce43605007146d2cb6eb00c7e9deb8431)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 05, 2019, 02:37:51 PM
Warriors lost last night in OT.

But they shouldn't have. Curry literally missed 6 layups and a wide open uncontested dunk
Curry **** the bed this game. I expect the Dubs to blow out the Rockets on Monday. There is absolutely no way Curry can be THAT bad 2 games in a row.
Surprisingly, Draymond was great. The game started off good, and then at one point, from the last 3 minutes of 1st to into the first 3 minutes of the 2nd the Warriors only scored 1 point. Went from up 9, to down 9, and then played catch up for the rest of the game.
Curry will be making Shaqtin a Fool after this one. for the blown dunk alone, but also for all the missed layups too.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2019, 12:05:36 AM
Time left in Warrior game!? 11.1 seconds.

11.1 = 3x1's
Houston has 111pts....
111 = 3x1's

not so sure about this..... 3-1 is a haunting number for Steph and the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 07, 2019, 12:55:45 AM
you trippin.

Am I now that it is tied up now with 2 games a piece?

I think the bench is going to make a difference in this series. Yeah the Warriors starting 5 is really great but I think having those few extra players are going to make a difference.  I also think that rebounding is going to play a strong role in this series. I think the Rockets have more energy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 07, 2019, 02:19:33 AM
another game the Warriors shouldn't have lost.... but it came down to rebounds, and not even attempting to get them for 80% of the game.

Literally, 4-5 offensive rebounds that lead to a few extra buckets, and a few defensive rebounds that prevent a few extra buckets, and that basically wins them 90% of the games they lost.

There is seriously no effort on rebounds. no box outs. everyone just retreats to defense once a shot goes up, unless they're named McKinney or Jerebko. Half the time, a Warrior or 2 just need to stick around for 2-3 more seconds, and the ball would literally bounce right to them.
or instead of ball watching and retreating, find a body and box them the **** out. FUNDAMENTALS.
it's part of the damn game. they better stop waiting till the game is almost over then trying to fight for the offensive rebounds. Game coulda been won earlier if 1-2 just kinda hung around, and maybe if just 1 actually tried to position themselves for the rebound.

Cousins would've been so damn handy in this series. He slows us down, but the brotha can rebound and score in the paint.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 07, 2019, 04:46:08 PM
Not gonna lie, after a rocky start, this series has begun to make me happy.  I'm thinking this can go to 7 and basically would've come down to the officiating in game 1.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 08, 2019, 08:07:53 PM
https://deadspin.com/the-lakers-bumbling-courtship-of-tyronn-lue-appears-to-1834626082

I honestly don't know who's worse. The Lakers for this ****-show of a coaching search, or Lue thinking he deserves championship $$ cause he rode LeBron's coattails to a championship.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 08, 2019, 08:19:45 PM
I wish I had any skill worth $6 million a year.

EDIT: Let me rephrase this - I wish I had any skill someone was willing to pay me $6 million a year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 08, 2019, 09:46:21 PM
https://deadspin.com/the-lakers-bumbling-courtship-of-tyronn-lue-appears-to-1834626082

I honestly don't know who's worse. The Lakers for this ****-show of a coaching search, or Lue thinking he deserves championship $$ cause he rode LeBron's coattails to a championship.

I dunno, only one other coach has gotten LeBron to the promised land.

I personally think they should've just paid him what he wanted.  Get the guy LeBron likes so that there's at least some appeasement.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 08, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
LeBron is staying out of the coaching decision and the Ty Lue deal fell apart over contract disputes and who the front office wants for the assistant coach.   Sigh.... Jason Kidd

So now they are looking for a second round of head coaches.  https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/5/8/18537579/lakers-rumors-lionel-hollins-frank-vogel-mike-woodson-jason-kidd-juwan-howard
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 08, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
So it is looking like the Bucks are going to advance to the Conference finals. Kyrie didn't show up and things are in doubt for him returning to the Celtics this season. Maybe he teams up with Dyrant in New Yourk with Zion if they get the first pick. He could also join the Lakers or Utah to help along things for both franchises.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 09, 2019, 01:17:32 AM
Well Klay, Curry and Durant showed up this game and they won. I would look concerned about the right calf strain on Durant going forward if I were the Warriors. That would be 2 major injuries this post season if Durant goes down.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2019, 02:10:16 AM
Warriors were REBOUNDING. Offensive and Defensive rebounds.
the 2nd chance attemps put us up almost double the Rockets score early on and left us with a 17pt lead at one point.

They relaxed on the effort during the 3rd, and the Rockets got back in it.

I mean, Durant got the ball stolen by Tucker(?) who was falling out of bounds in the corner. instead of putting on the press and forcing him to make a bad pass, he just immediately retreats to the backcourt.
Majority of offensive rebounds dried up as the Warriors relaxed in the lead coming into the 2nd half. that's where things got close.

But i'm really glad Curry stepped up after Durant got hurt. He really gotta stop playing Beta to Durant's Alpha. They are supposed to be Alpha1 and Alpha2.
Durant is supposed to make this easy, not just possible, and Curry decided to be what we needed him to be and that was more aggressive.

Good win, but it never should have been so close.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 09, 2019, 02:59:16 AM
Hats off the Green and Looney for getting in there for the rebounds.

Now if Durant is down for the series then they are going to have to fall back to some of the key pieces to that 73-9 team like Curry, Klay, Green, Bogut, Iggy, Livingston, Looney but they aren't going to have as good of a bench that that team had so they may need to wrap up series quickly if they want to advance to the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
They said it was a right claf strain... but he was grabbing just below calf, in the achilles(?) area.
Hopefully he is good to go for the next game, as I really don't want to push this to 7.

Blazers Nuggets looks to hopefully go 7, so Warriors need to rest up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 09, 2019, 11:25:16 AM
If it's a calf strain he's done for the series. Last time he injured his calf he was out for 7 days. Maybe he plays in Game 7.

This is it for Houston. If they can't beat GS with their main star down, and their two other stars playing like poop they're never going to win it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
last time he was out w/ a Calf strain was when? regular season?
This is the playoffs. If he doesn't play next game, and for whatever reason we don't win game 6, if he's capable of playing in game 7, he will play.

But as long as Curry steps up and Klay can hit some shots, along with Dray and Looney continuing to chase rebounds on both ends of the court, I think we'll be fine. Just gotta watch out for Eric Gordon, he is the one that keeps Houston afloat, as we keep giving him open looks and he's been nailing them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 09, 2019, 01:19:26 PM
Kinda disappointing that Houston couldn't steal a win with KD out, but I doubt he'll play next game, which will stretch it to game 7.  But yeah, KD being out for 7 days the last time he had this injury is worrisome, but who knows how much of that was precautionary.  Sitting out one game is an option, but game 7 shouldn't be.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 09, 2019, 02:25:12 PM
Despite losing Cousins and having Durant out for a game, Golden State is dangerous - this just changes where the threats come from. But it does remove the sense of inevitability with an MVP-caliber player out. Still, I trust Golden State more than Houston in pressure situations. Harden and Paul have fallen short too often to earn trust - they have to prove it on the court.

Any calls in the Eastern conference? Raps vs Sixers tonight should be interesting; I hesitantly said Toronto in 6 before the series started, but it feels like a toss up now. I still think that Raptors should win the series, but game-to-game success depends on which supporting players manage to show up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 09, 2019, 03:36:14 PM
Despite losing Cousins and having Durant out for a game, Golden State is dangerous - this just changes where the threats come from. But it does remove the sense of inevitability with an MVP-caliber player out. Still, I trust Golden State more than Houston in pressure situations. Harden and Paul have fallen short too often to earn trust - they have to prove it on the court.

Any calls in the Eastern conference? Raps vs Sixers tonight should be interesting; I hesitantly said Toronto in 6 before the series started, but it feels like a toss up now. I still think that Raptors should win the series, but game-to-game success depends on which supporting players manage to show up.

I have the Raptors in 6 now. I think that as of right now the Raptors have things figured out more in regards to consistency and gameplan.  It feels like the 76ers don't really have an answer for Kawahi, Siakam and Lowry all at once.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 09, 2019, 03:57:02 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1126569206382829568?s=20

KD will be re-evaluated next week which means he is out for Games 6 and 7.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2019, 06:02:58 PM
Honestly, my support is behind the Nuggets at this point. Not only do they have several former Jazz men onboard (including one of my favorites in Paul Millsap), but like the Jazz the Nuggets are a small market team that's never really had their day in the sun. They earned the #2 spot in a competitive conference. I'd like to see them go all the way.

Plus, a Nuggets vs. Milwaukee Finals would just destroy the NBA head office. :P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2019, 06:59:02 PM
Kevin Durant out for the rest of the series =

NBA All-Star Challenge Lose Music (https://youtu.be/jTYNzXBYd48)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2019, 10:39:38 PM
So it is looking like the Bucks are going to advance to the Conference finals. Kyrie didn't show up and things are in doubt for him returning to the Celtics this season. Maybe he teams up with Dyrant in New Yourk with Zion if they get the first pick. He could also join the Lakers or Utah to help along things for both franchises.

The Jazz have Favors and Gobert. They don't need another Center unless they decide to not re-sign Favors during the off-season. They really need a premier player at every other position, most notably Point Guard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2019, 01:12:44 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1126569206382829568?s=20

KD will be re-evaluated next week which means he is out for Games 6 and 7.

I stay optimistic, as the Warriors have won nearly all their games when Durant was out and Curry was running the ship, vs losing 2/3 when Curry is out and Durant is solo commander.
So chances are, Curry and Klay, just as they did at the end of the game yesterday, show up and remind us why everyone considered them so dangerous yet fun to watch.
As long as Dray and Looney can keep up the rebounding and giving us second chances and Curry and Klay can be productive on offense (no more blown layups), I think we got this.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2019, 01:20:44 AM
Game of Zones S6 E5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOx2XgmR8Uk
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 10, 2019, 05:41:35 AM
So it is looking like the Bucks are going to advance to the Conference finals. Kyrie didn't show up and things are in doubt for him returning to the Celtics this season. Maybe he teams up with Dyrant in New Yourk with Zion if they get the first pick. He could also join the Lakers or Utah to help along things for both franchises.

The Jazz have Favors and Gobert. They don't need another Center unless they decide to not re-sign Favors during the off-season. They really need a premier player at every other position, most notably Point Guard.

No I mean that Kyrie could join the Jazz in free agency by himself.  The Kyrie, Durant and Zion talk was specifically for the Knicks
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 10, 2019, 05:43:16 AM
I guess everyone loves game 7s and the Blazers and 76ers don't want to go home yet.  They both bounced back for game 6.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 10, 2019, 09:00:49 AM
I guess everyone loves game 7s and the Blazers and 76ers don't want to go home yet.  They both bounced back for game 6.

Ok, I'm an idiot... but how on earth do we embed this in the NWR forums?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ70BkPkANM
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 10, 2019, 09:49:46 AM
I guess everyone loves game 7s and the Blazers and 76ers don't want to go home yet.  They both bounced back for game 6.

Ok, I'm an idiot... but how on earth do we embed this in the NWR forums?

"Youtube" in the brackets, take the "s" out of "https".


I don't know why people thought the trail blazers were done.  It was one bad loss in a game 5 where the series was close up to that point. Two games were settled under 5 points and all under 10 up until that point.

Also, not really surprised by the 76ers.  That series is pretty back and forth with big wins.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 10, 2019, 10:30:26 AM
...
"Youtube" in the brackets, take the "s" out of "https".
...

Hmm.. weird. Nothing shows up in my browser so when I tried that syntax assumed it was wrong. Nothing easy, baby!

Agree that it's not surprising to see both series to go the distance; I wouldn't want to place any bets on who comes out either. In a pinch, I'd take the home team, but that's kind of a cop out answer.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 10, 2019, 11:10:12 AM
It's a bug with the YouTube embed plugin, if you're browsing the https version of the forums a properly formatted embed shows up as nothing at all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2019, 12:39:14 PM
I guess everyone loves game 7s and the Blazers and 76ers don't want to go home yet.  They both bounced back for game 6.

Ok, I'm an idiot... but how on earth do we embed this in the NWR forums?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ70BkPkANM
I made a thread specifically for these types of problems. ;)

https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=30575.msg826556#msg826556
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 10, 2019, 11:39:09 PM
Bye bye, Houston.

EDIT: I can't wait for the memo they send the league office this time around.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6QZ4n-WkAAlCa1?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2019, 11:42:20 PM
Iguodala choked at the end there. Glad the Warriors held on to win. I just really don’t like Harden’s game. I’d prefer the Sixers advance, but I wouldn’t hate the Raptors winning that series. I’m pulling for the Blazers, and if they win, I’m pretty happy as a basketball fan to see how the rest of the playoffs plays out. Still think the Warriors win it all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 10, 2019, 11:43:01 PM
Well it looks like the Warriors are advancing to the WCF.  There was a few key turnovers by Harden and there was a 3 pointer blocked that turned things around for the Warriors near the end of the game.  I'll tip my hat to them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2019, 11:51:28 PM
Where's that Banana boat!!!

They can finally get that banana boat started since LeBron, CP3, Me7o and D. Wade are all off for the summer at the same time for the first time during the post season. Lol
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2019, 11:52:36 PM
I hope the Rockets complain about this loss and blame the refs and El Niño or something.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 10, 2019, 11:55:41 PM
Steph had zero points and the best the Rockets could do was tie.  I should've gone to bed at half time.  The Rockets should be ashamed for making me stay up and also how they played these last two games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 11, 2019, 12:01:19 AM
I'm not going to shed a tear over James Harden and Chris Paul losing out yet again on a championship.

I just hope a team other than the Warriors takes it for once. You know, just for the sake of variety.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 12:40:52 AM
LOL

If I was on my computer rn, the memes that need to be posted right now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 01:39:00 AM
https://streamable.com/ao8ey <----click

watch the above first. LOL






(https://i.imgur.com/QFzr3GI.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0jKIhCo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/FAJqcIV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/V46i6qZ.png)

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 02:34:09 AM
Durant to be back for maybe game 1 or 2 of the Conference finals and guess what....

(https://i.imgur.com/2X543Mh.png)

....assuming we make it that far (of course)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 11, 2019, 03:06:29 AM
This roster is so destroyed. Shaun Livingston scored double digits for the first time since January. Kevon fucking Looney is playing spot minutes. -checks notes- Alfonzo McKinnie has played every game so far.

This is truly the last Championship GSW realistically has a chance to win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 10:35:52 AM
I question Kerr's coaching at time as there was a point in the game where Kerr had this lineup on the floor....

(https://i.imgur.com/OLgmvIY.png)

So it's not like the Rocket's didn't have many chances to win this game.
but you know the Rockets when it comes to the Warriors in the post season...
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-01-2018/wTRx2d.gif)

but then again...
(https://i.imgur.com/FUPTPwn.png)

what do we know.... it can't be all luck.

I mean, if Curry ain't got no points in the 1st half, Klay only 21pts, and Durant ain't even playing....
yet you only manage to tie the Dubs at halftime (57-57).... that's better than best case scenario for the Warriors. Cause for 1, we still managed to score 57 points!!!!

Kevon was series MVP as far as I'm concerned. He stepped the **** up. REBOUNDS, hell, he was out there dribbling and making plays at one point. He showed that he actually has a little game in him. I was shocked. I think the Rockets were a little shook too.
Kerr went 11 deep into the bench in the 1st quarter.... who does that!?
The Rockets have to feel bad about this one. it should have been a first half blow out, but our bench actually came through and held it down out there while Curry tried to figure it out

(https://i.imgur.com/cWwIO8N.png)

and it was well deserved, because his 2nd half of 3rd thru 4th quarter performance was amazing.
https://streamable.com/nbki2  <-- Some 4th Qtr Steph
There was one point where he hit his hand... and I don't know if you saw his dislocated finger after last game, but that **** was not looking healthy at all. He had it taped to 2 other fingers for this game. and he still managed to shake and bake and hit big shots right up till the end.

Curry, in the last 5 minutes of the game, actually scored just as much as the Rockets, by himself 16:16.

But a lot of credit goes to Klay too, as the Splash Bros (and Iggy 5x 3ptrs!!) made it rain in Houston last night.
Klay held it down in the 1st half, and hit a dagger late in the 4th as well. MaxKlay incoming!!

https://twitter.com/balldontstop/status/1127058601682432000 <-video of shot at link
(https://i.imgur.com/AJ6T1Uj.png)

Now we get 3 days rest.
(https://i.imgur.com/iik8iiY.png)
Respekt from the Rockets Management.
But they tried..... remember when they said "We just want a fair chance"... :|
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835689-chris-paul-reportedly-denied-stephen-curry-practice-time-before-game-6
just another reason to continue rooting against CP3 (BAMF)
http://youtu.be/zViXs0E5Di8#t=2m9s

**** CP3 LOL

And it's why Curry yelled "Kick me off the court again, boy!" (https://www.instagram.com/p/BxVdHgODqS0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=193p999sbsax4) as he celebrated the Game 6 victory with Draymond Green just outside the Warriors' locker room.

"Champions recognize Champions" - Curry giving the Rockets and CP3 shade. LMAO
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/csn/warriors/Chris_Paul_kicked_Steph_Curry_off_court_night_before_Game_6_showdown_BAY-509791472.html

LMAO --> https://streamable.com/skik8 <-- 😂🤣


on the other hand....
I hope Dame and Joker go out and set a new NBA record and go for 6 OT's on Mothers Day. LOL
Warriors are all banged up, we need a few days and a slightly tired opponent. LOL

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Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 11, 2019, 06:22:32 PM
If this is how BnM is going to be after the semis how is he going to be like after the finals? :P

In any case I am pretty excited for the two game 7s tomorrow. I see the Nuggets and Raptors winning out in their respective series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 07:42:21 PM
Can  i just say I was very close to making my first gambling bet yesterday, but I didn't know exactly who to call or how to place it in such short notice after I got off work.

Warrior were 7-1 Odds in favor of Rockets beginning of the day.
I was about to put down $500 and I woulda won $3500.

But it's just that I really dislike Harden's style of play and CP3, so by extension, The Houston Rockets. All the **** they talk, the hypocritical and petti actions they take, and the flopping... OMG the got damn flopping. To see them win anything is to award the worst of modern basketball.

Whatever happens after we have beaten the Rockets happens. This was just the series that had to be won for us no matter what. I'm not discounting whoever comes next.... but Houston was the team that openly structured their game to dismantle ours. Not that theirs anything wrong with that, but with Lebron gone... Houston was our only existing pre-rival threat to get past.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 11, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
If this is how BnM is going to be after the semis how is he going to be like after the finals? :P
...

He'll probably be pretty quiet, after the Warriors lose to the Blazers in 5 games during Conference Finals.
(Haha. Blazers are great, but I see NO possible future where that actually happens. I do look forward to a Warriors/Bucks match up though.)


As a long-time Raptors fan, I'm dreading Sunday. Great season, but futility in the playoffs is all I know. Sure, things are different with Kawhi. But until Toronto proves otherwise, it's hard to believe things will be that different... check out percentages on open 3s during this series to understand. Visions of Carter pulling up at the end of game 7 vs Philly have been haunting my dreams all week.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2019, 08:49:07 PM
Not gonna lie, as a Dubs fan, I was HYPED for the Warriors v Rockets series.
We all knew it was gonna happen at some point.

Everything else outside of the actual finals is regular basketball. Warriors needed to exorcize the "Boogie man" from under the bed.
We'll see how the rest of the playoffs play out.

I'm looking forward to tomorrow's games tho.
I haven't seen a full game from either series yet, but I plan to tomorrow.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2019, 09:00:57 PM
But it's just that I really dislike Harden's style of play and CP3, so by extension, The Houston Rockets. All the **** they talk, the hypocritical and petti actions they take, and the flopping... OMG the got damn flopping. To see them win anything is to award the worst of modern basketball.
That's pretty much how I view Rockets basketball and why I actively root against them these days. I'm at the point where I'm tired of seeing one team (the Warriors) win all the time, but at least I can defend their style of basketball. Curry's handles/shooting, Thompson's shooting form/defense etc. are *chef kiss*

On the other side, Harden and Paul flopping and "drawing fouls" by forcibly tangling their bodies into the opponents' makes me not want to watch those games. I know everyone saw Warriors vs. Rockets as the "real" championship of the post-season. I'm just glad it's over, and that the Warriors pulled it out even though this really should have been a sweep.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 11, 2019, 09:22:36 PM
Watching the Warriors continually win is sometimes boring.
But watching Chris Paul lose will never grow tiresome.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2019, 09:48:16 PM
Watching the Warriors continually win is sometimes boring.
But watching Chris Paul lose will never grow tiresome.
That's fair.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 11, 2019, 11:39:51 PM
So it is looking like the Lakers have found a head coach in Frank Vogel with Jason Kidd as an assistant/mentor for Lonzo. While I think that Kidd shouldn't really be in coaching position because he isn't the best coach and other non basketball reasons like his criminal history I guess we are stuck with him.  We are going to need an more offensive minded assistant because Vogel is more defensive focused.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 12, 2019, 12:53:17 AM
We are going to need an more offensive minded assistant because Vogel is more defensive focused.
(https://i.imgur.com/Pe1QiBY.jpg)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2019, 06:53:31 AM
I guess that could work. There have been players who do key in on some plays that would work for the team on the offensive end.



In response to the 4th quarter breakdown by the Rockets this video just popped into my YT feed.   It breaks down the 4th quarter and how the Warriors won. 

For BnM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9fOLuon3Lc
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 12, 2019, 09:25:05 AM
So it is looking like the Lakers have found a head coach in Frank Vogel with Jason Kidd as an assistant/mentor for Lonzo. While I think that Kidd shouldn't really be in coaching position because he isn't the best coach and other non basketball reasons like his criminal history I guess we are stuck with him.  We are going to need an more offensive minded assistant because Vogel is more defensive focused.

I'm ok with the Vogel hire, but a bit baffled at why they bring Kidd in at the same time. It's like they enjoy courting disaster.

When exactly did the Lakers organization become so dysfunctional? Was it ridiculous like this before Jerry Bus passed away, or is it only afterwards that leadership become a sucking void?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2019, 10:13:05 AM
So it is looking like the Lakers have found a head coach in Frank Vogel with Jason Kidd as an assistant/mentor for Lonzo. While I think that Kidd shouldn't really be in coaching position because he isn't the best coach and other non basketball reasons like his criminal history I guess we are stuck with him.  We are going to need an more offensive minded assistant because Vogel is more defensive focused.

I'm ok with the Vogel hire, but a bit baffled at why they bring Kidd in at the same time. It's like they enjoy courting disaster.

When exactly did the Lakers organization become so dysfunctional? Was it ridiculous like this before Jerry Bus passed away, or is it only afterwards that leadership become a sucking void?
It pretty much started after Dr. Buss died in 2013 and there was that time with Jim Buss was running things and he said in 2014 that he would have the Lakers contending in the Western Conference Finals in 3 to 4 years. Jeanie said that she was holding him to that time frame and at least get to the 2nd round by the 2016/2017 season. That didn't happen and Jeanie took over after that season and things haven't really been that good in the front office aside from getting rid of bad contracts ,that Jim Buss signed, like Mozgov and Deng and rebuilding through the draft and having cap space. 

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 12, 2019, 06:22:23 PM
Well, it appears we have our first upset of these playoffs, as the Trail Blazers defeated the Nuggets in Game 7 to move on to face the Warriors.

Never thought I'd see the day where Enes Kanter, the perpetually useless backup Center when he was on the Jazz, would be a major player in a Western Conference Finals playoff series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2019, 07:39:20 PM
Curry vs Curry

And the big topic of discussion in the west will now be: What will Curry parents wear to the games!?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 12, 2019, 07:52:32 PM
Warriors. No one like Seth.

No one.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2019, 10:25:22 PM
Quote
Round 2 currently I say Warriors in 7, Denver in 6, Bucks win in 6, Raptors win in 7.

So those were my predictions for round 2.  Lets see how I did... Warriors in 6, Bucks in 5, Blazers in 7, Raptors in 7.    Now for the Conference finals we have Warriors vs Blazers and Bucks versus Raptors.   I am going to be contrarian and say Blazers in 6.  Finally Raptors in 7.

The WCF are all going to depend on when Boogie and Durant return. If they return in Game 3 or 4 then I see the Blazers winning and if a game 2 and 3 return then Warriors but it will go to 7.   Out East it is hard to gauge because the Bucks have Giannis, Middleton, and Lopez and the Raptors have Leonard, Lowry and Siakam and it is going to see who is going to cancel out each other.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 12, 2019, 10:31:11 PM
Wait... did I just see Kawhi smile?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2019, 10:38:49 PM
Look at this shot to end the game!!!!
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icXd6OPakeA
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2019, 12:06:56 AM
First buzzer beater in a game 7 in NBA history apparently.

and Yes, Kawhi was smiling and being emotive of his general happiness.
But if that's how they gonna play... they bout to have a short series against the Bucks.

MIL in 5 if they keep missing open looks and giving the other team open looks and counting on them missing them as well. Bucks ain't getting down like that this year.

Dubs vs Blaze gonna be a fun one though..
I ofcourse expect them to get handled. like they usually do. Announcers will point out that they were 2-2 for the season... but does that really matter? While the Blazers showed up to prove a point against the Warriors, the Warriors weren't gonna go all out to make a statement to them during the regular season. Dame & McCollum are not to be underestimated once they get going though, especially if they can both do it at the same time. Very similar a threat as the Splash Bros.

In the scenario where Durant is available to play. I say he only returns in this situation (Boogie is not expected till the NBA Finals.... assuming we make it that far):
If Warriors win 1st 2 home games, and win game 3, Durant doesn't return till game 4 (limited minutes - Close out game)
If Warriors win 1st 2 home games, but lose game 3, Durant returns game 4
If Warriors lose 1 of 1st 2 home games Durant returns game 3

I see them wanting to rest him as much as possible, but not extend the series if they don't need to.
Warriors in 5 is my guess, but I think Dubs in 6 is worse case scenario.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2019, 12:34:52 AM
Look at this shot to end the game!!!!
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icXd6OPakeA

As incredible as it was.... it wasn't even the first time this season :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0OnvOHXRlw

I feel for Embiid though, as this will be meme'd to death for the rest of his relevance.
(https://i.imgur.com/A1Fc7GW.jpg)

He should have known to cover his face with a towel on the way to the locker room.... live and learn I guess.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 13, 2019, 08:38:20 AM
...
But if that's how they gonna play... they bout to have a short series against the Bucks.
...

I think that the Sixers might have matched up better versus the Bucks, and have concerns about how the Raptors will fare in the ECF. That said, if shooting averages start to regress to the mean then the Raptors could surprise a lot of people -- themselves included, I bet. Percentages on wide open shots during this last series were putrid across the board.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 13, 2019, 08:46:18 AM
...
I see them wanting to rest him as much as possible, but not extend the series if they don't need to.
Warriors in 5 is my guess, but I think Dubs in 6 is worse case scenario.

Tend to agree, although I think (a) they want Durant back on the floor for a few minutes before the series ends to get some time before heading to the finals, and (b) I think you are underestimating how badly Portland wants this.

While ending in 5 games is definitely possible, I like Warriors in 6 this series because I think the Blazers have enough self-confidence and determination to pull a pair of wins - probably one at home and one away?  With Durant out for a few games, the match ups are also balanced enough to be interesting IMO.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 13, 2019, 10:16:15 AM
That shot by Leonard was a thing of beauty. The echo of the buzzer as it stops and the ball still hasn't gone in. Incredible.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 13, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/1127987986845454345?s=20

Durant's re-evaluation will be Thursday. So he's out for Game 1.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 13, 2019, 10:10:20 PM
...
I see them wanting to rest him as much as possible, but not extend the series if they don't need to.
Warriors in 5 is my guess, but I think Dubs in 6 is worse case scenario.

Tend to agree, although I think (a) they want Durant back on the floor for a few minutes before the series ends to get some time before heading to the finals, and (b) I think you are underestimating how badly Portland wants this.

While ending in 5 games is definitely possible, I like Warriors in 6 this series because I think the Blazers have enough self-confidence and determination to pull a pair of wins - probably one at home and one away?  With Durant out for a few games, the match ups are also balanced enough to be interesting IMO.

a) is why I stated Durant will be back by Game 4 no matter what. Even if we won the previous 3. He will need some live game time before the Finals.
b) Doesn't matter that much to me, as The Warriors led by Curry have swept Dame in the playoffs. 6-0 I believe. Steph shows up and shows out against the Blazers. If Super Saiyan Steph was gonna be activated, I'd expect him to be present in this series for sure.

pre-post edit:
https://www.landofbasketball.com/games_between/stephen_curry_vs_damian_lillard.htm

Warriors and Steph may have never completely crushed the souls of Dame and the Blazers, but damn does Steph own them.
Dame and the Blazers can "want this" all they want, but until they go out and get it, and not just get it, but take it, from the reigning champs and owners of their soul, it just doesn't matter.

I expect a good, hard played, well matched, but relatively short 5 game series.
Not this year Dame.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 13, 2019, 11:01:03 PM
I disagree, but look forward to seeing how it plays out either way.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 14, 2019, 09:00:23 PM
So the draft lottery just happened and the top 4 is this in this order.  Pelicans, Grizzlies, Knicks and Lakers.

This is the whole order.
1. New Orleans Pelicans
2. Memphis Grizzlies
3. New York Knicks
4. Los Angeles Lakers
5. Cleveland Cavaliers
6. Phoenix Suns
7. Chicago Bulls
8. Atlanta Hawks
9. Washington Wizards
10. Atlanta Hawks
11. Minnesota Timberwolves
12. Charlotte Hornets
13. Miami Heat
14. Boston Celtics
15.Detroit Pistons
16.Orlando Magic
17.Brooklyn Nets
18.Indiana Pacers
19.San Antonio Spurs
20.Boston Celtics
21.Oklahoma City Thunder
22.Boston Celtics
23.Utah Jazz
24.Philadelphia 76ers
25.Portland Trail Blazers
26.Cleveland Cavaliers
27.Brooklyn Nets
28.Golden State Warriors
29.San Antonio Spurs
30.Milwaukee Bucks
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 14, 2019, 09:42:51 PM
I love it when teams waste away a once-in-a-generation talent and then get immediately rewarded with a mulligan. I can't wait to see how NOLA ruins Zion.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 14, 2019, 10:15:35 PM
I mean they did clean out Dell Demps from the front office after he rejected the Laker offer so maybe they can work something out.  Question is now is where is Julius Randle is going to fit in with the team?  I mean if everyone stays you have Holiday at PG or SG, AD at Center, Zion likely at PF and Randle at PF too?  Randle is a free agent this summer so he could be on the way out maybe to the Suns for the 6th pick and pieces and the Suns can sign a point guard in the offseason?  However it is looking like despite getting the 1st pick AD is still interested in a trade. 

Who knows at this stage.  I am pretty excited for the Lakers who jumped up seven spots from 11th though. Tankathon has the Lakers taking Jarrett Culver which the SG position is a little bit weak with KCP, Hart and Bullock there.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 15, 2019, 02:03:17 AM
So.....did Enes Kanter bet money on the Warriors or what? The Portland bigs acting like Steph can't hit threes wide open coming off the pick-and-roll. This was pretty much a gift-wrapped win for GSW.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 15, 2019, 07:02:11 AM
As the Pels, would you even want to keep AD?  It's not like Zion is the missing piece to make them a contender, and while AD is an amazing player he's also disgruntled and often hurt. I'd rather see them trade for the best package possible and rebuild around Williamson with hard-working players who want to be there, focusing on a strong future instead of hoping to convince AD to re-sign next year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 15, 2019, 07:14:49 AM
So.....did Enes Kanter bet money on the Warriors or what? The Portland bigs acting like Steph can't hit threes wide open coming off the pick-and-roll. This was pretty much a gift-wrapped win for GSW.

No, that's just Kanter being every bit the player I knew him as when he was on the Jazz.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 15, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
Actually it looks like this is a strategy Terry Stotts actually considered viable.

https://twitter.com/NBCSNorthwest/status/1128511696140689413

If letting Steph shoot his way out of a slump mid-game was an actual gameplan I think it's safe to call this an easy GSW series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 15, 2019, 11:23:01 AM
The Pels were in bad shape, especially in the early (Hornets) years.  I think the team is gonna get its **** together this time.  I really hope they don't take a wait-and-see with AD.  I like the idea of building around Zion, getting a younger core and extra picks.  AD wants to compete now, and I'd like him to. But we might need to see how free agency shakes out, if Kyrie and KD really do go to the Knicks together.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2019, 05:08:47 PM
So, someone asked how last nights Warriors v Blazers game went last night.

Well, let me sum it for you in 1 short clip.
https://twitter.com/gswchris/status/1128489697817264128

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 15, 2019, 08:34:42 PM
I watched the first half of the Warriors game and it seemed pretty close except for Curry grabbing a quick six points in the last 40 seconds due to poor defense.  From the boxscore, it looks like the third quarter was still competitive too. Shame that only one team came out to play for the fourth quarter.

The Bucks/Raps game has just started. I'm worried this first game will be a blowout.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 15, 2019, 10:16:44 PM
I went to the store yesterday and the Warriors/Blazers game was on and in the 3rd quarter and the Warriors were up by 17. Tonights game though is looking close. End of the 3rd Raptors up 83-76.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 15, 2019, 10:19:19 PM
... in the 3rd quarter and the Warriors were up by 17. ...

And that's why a boxscore doesn't tell the whole story?
(Blazers won the third by 3, and it was just a 6 point game going into the fourth.)

Raptors have played well this game. I feel like Bucks will hit a bunch of shots in the fourth and come back though.

--
Dang - it's not over yet, but what a game from Lopez. He was such a great pick up for Milwaukee with his shooting. But until this year I never really thought he played solid defense. Rim protection has been solid.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2019, 11:32:13 PM
But what the Box score also didn't tell you, is that the Warriors weren't even playing all that hard.
Blazers weren't really challenging them, and the score should've been much worse if that was the level of defense the Blazers were gonna bring on the biggest stage they touching this year ;)

I think the only 3 that didn't get play time during real game time were the bottom 3 on the bench.
Bell, Evans III, Lee.

I'm sure the next game won't be the same. The Blazers were understandably worn and tired having just come off two 7 game series back to back with only a day rest inbetween.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 16, 2019, 09:25:08 PM
Kevin Durant will be re-re-evaluated next week after Game 5. Boogie will also be re-evaluated as well. Doesn't look like either will be ready until the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 16, 2019, 10:21:12 PM
Kevin Durant will be re-re-evaluated next week after Game 5. Boogie will also be re-evaluated as well. Doesn't look like either will be ready until the Finals.

Ah, so they might not be back at all...
*whistle*

Seriously though, Blazers in a good spot at half-time.
Then again, so were the Raptors last night - and that disappeared pretty quickly when the Bucks started romping through the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2019, 11:40:29 PM
I didn’t watch the game, but the last time I looked at the score, the Warriors were down by eight with less than seven minutes left in the fourth quarter. They won by three. That was your chance, Blazers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2019, 11:43:32 PM
Ugh they couldn't hold on to the lead. With 2 mins left in the 4th Blazers were up 6 but that is barely a cushion for the Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2019, 12:21:21 AM
I know... they needed a 10pt cushion with only 2 minutes left....

it's crazy to say that and not even have a hint of sarcasm....

It's amazing what a little offensive rebounding will do for your team though.
and Iggy with the snatch on Lillard. LMAO Iggy had to run back to the locker room to dip his hands in ice water.

Good game though. I'm just glad the Dubs saved it for the 2nd half, since I couldn't watch till then anyway.
Blazers may get game 3, but honestly.... it's not really gonna matter. odds are not in their favor.


edit:
Game of Zones S6E6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bBUsXFQzBM
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2019, 12:51:22 AM
It’s a thing of beauty to watch the Warriors still win without Kevin Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 17, 2019, 01:08:17 AM
So.....

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1129235414710198272

GSW probably misdiagnosed KD's injury. Whoops.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2019, 02:15:22 PM
Instead of a grade 1 (4-7 days)
It's a grade 2 strain (10-20)?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 17, 2019, 03:58:26 PM
Warriors got a nice win yesterday and a big lift from everyone. That being said Portland did make the necessary adjustments so it's up to GSW to keep getting Zach Collins in foul trouble so they can feast on Enes and Leonard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 17, 2019, 09:38:47 PM
Yikes the Bucks are clamping down on the Raptors at the half;64-39. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2019, 12:33:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XQjQHfx.gif)

Clamps indeed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2019, 01:24:32 AM
That game almost put me to sleep.

Disgraceful, and the commissioner was present.
Cancel the damn series. Substitute in the sixers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 18, 2019, 11:55:01 AM
...
Cancel the damn series. Substitute in the sixers.

Did you watch the Sixers last series?  I'm not sure that's the answer you are looking for.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2019, 01:28:13 PM
It might not be, but it's gotta be better than what I was watching yesterday.
It was like YMCA pick up game. Even the Bucks crowd looked bored to death.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 19, 2019, 01:31:05 AM
It might not be, but it's gotta be better than what I was watching yesterday.
It was like YMCA pick up game. Even the Bucks crowd looked bored to death.

At this point, the Warriors/Blazers series isn't looking much better.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 19, 2019, 09:08:08 PM
It might not be, but it's gotta be better than what I was watching yesterday.
It was like YMCA pick up game. Even the Bucks crowd looked bored to death.

At this point, the Warriors/Blazers series isn't looking much better.

Let's see, Blazers had 1 bad loss, 1 close loss, and 1 absolutely pathetically blown half.  Honestly going for the worst series in the entire playoffs.

Someone explain to me again how the West is the "stronger" conference?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 19, 2019, 09:47:54 PM
It might not be, but it's gotta be better than what I was watching yesterday.
It was like YMCA pick up game. Even the Bucks crowd looked bored to death.

At this point, the Warriors/Blazers series isn't looking much better.

Let's see, Blazers had 1 bad loss, 1 close loss, and 1 absolutely pathetically blown half.  Honestly going for the worst series in the entire playoffs.

Someone explain to me again how the West is the "stronger" conference?

The West is a meat grinder, and the playoffs are designed to weaken the contenders so the 1st Seed can slaughter them. That's one of the reason I've never liked the 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 seeding system. The Western Conference playoffs have been WAY more competitive than the East's so far, just in terms of wins and losses. Meanwhile, the Bucks have basically sailed to victory since this damn thing began, as basically happens in the playoffs every year with the 1 Seed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
More insight on where LeBron decided to spend the last of his competitive years:


For BnM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffERoFUVE8M)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2019, 07:10:03 PM
I watched that earlier. Yikes. Lakers should have given Julius Randle that second year. He’s good enough to dump later for an expiring/non-guaranteed contract if they really needed the cap space. Again, just poor asset management. And while I’m not convinced Dell Demps ever seriously considered trading Anthony Davis to the Lakers, having Randle sure would have made the Lakers offer more appealing.

As for LeBron, dude wanted warm weather, a big market, and a max contract. He bet on himself to LeBron James the team to the playoffs. He may have pulled it off too if it weren’t for those meddling kids everyone including himself didn’t get injured.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
Speaking of the AD trade, for those that haven't watched:


For BnM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1etBTh6ygw)

This looks like the last part of the interview:


For MnB (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0HVhmWfT0)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 20, 2019, 07:39:35 PM
One other thing happened today and that was the Frank Vogel press conference to formily announce him being the new head coach. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/5/20/18618601/lakers-officially-hire-jason-kidd-assistant-coach-frank-vogel-lonzo-ball-lebron-james

Also a bit of the insight on the structure on the Lakers front office going forward. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/5/20/18632959/la-lakers-news-rob-pelinka-front-office-jeanie-buss-kurt-rambis

It is a real shame that the hiring is being overshadowed by Magic today.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 20, 2019, 11:51:25 PM
Sigh.... Darn Warriors even without Durant, Boogie and Iggy they win.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2019, 11:52:59 PM
Well, at least the Trail Blazers had the self-respect to put up a decent fight before they got swept. *sigh*
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 21, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
If you can call that decent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 21, 2019, 12:29:02 AM
5 straight Finals appearances. It's insane the era that I get to live in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 21, 2019, 07:51:40 AM
I disagree, but look forward to seeing how it plays out either way.

Wow, was I ever wrong.

Blazers put up a fight and took solid leads into the fourth quarter a couple of times... but then just folded. They were never able to stop the Warriors when it mattered. I know there are reports that Lillard is injured and that the Golden State roster might have a shake up this year, but seeing this sort of result (again) makes you want to see it all torn down and rebuilt. How discouraging!

Congrats to Golden State on romping to another set of finals. I thought they might lose focus for a game, but that's obviously not the case.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2019, 08:09:57 AM
Always nice to get to use this gif.
(https://i.imgur.com/QOL41Ad.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
I had tickets to game 5.....

I ain't even mad though.
happy to grab that broom one more time. Maybe I make it to the Finals instead.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 21, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
GSW got a great game from McKinnie. This was the best possible result and hopefully the team can get KD, Boogie and Iggy full strength in time for the Finals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2019, 01:19:14 PM
Warriors vs Blazers are always a good match up.
They always play hard against the Warriros, but just never seem to win.

Curry is now 10-0 vs Dame in the playoffs.
Curry and Dray also both Triple Doubled
and this game never would've gone to OT if it wasn't for Jerebko and all his bricked wide open 3's in the 4th.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 22, 2019, 01:16:35 AM
Series is evened up with the Bucks and Raptors. I do find the team defense from the Raptors on Giannis to be pretty effective in either forcing him to do something or passing out to his teammates and having them beat the Raptors.  Having Leonard on Giannis since game 3 as the primary defender is very troublesome for the Bucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 22, 2019, 07:14:55 AM
...  Having Leonard on Giannis since game 3 as the primary defender is very troublesome for the Bucks.

Leonard doesn't look healthy right now, but I agree that this match up (with strong help support from Gasol and others) has been a difficult look for the Bucks so far. It puts a lot of pressure on the role players to hit shots. Maybe going back home will see a better result from their supporting cast.

Nice to see the Raptors back to their normal selves for a game. During the playoffs they've often shot poorly and been far too deferential to Kawhi. Don't get me wrong - Kawhi has done a fantastic job of carrying the team so far, but he shouldn't have to carry the team.

It's been a weird year. Some of the Raptors best ball has come with Kawhi sitting on the bench, as other guys seem to feel more comfortable or empowered on offense. When he's healthy it's like the whole team defers too much and loses their normal identity.



At least it's an interesting series now. Either team could have been up 3-1 if they had played just a tiny bit better, and I'm sure that both feel like they let an opportunity slip away.  I'm doubtful that either team can challenge Golden State in the finals, so this is probably the last meaningful set of games for the year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 22, 2019, 10:17:59 AM
I think the Bucks match up to the Warriors at least as far as the playstyle goes. Spreading the floor and having Giannis out there.  Defensively I think the Raptors matches up well though.   

All I can say that though is I hope there is more parity this offseason going forward.  Like Durant going East or to the Clippers so things are more balanced. I think the east has been very exciting and balanced with the Bucks, Raptors, 76ers and Celtics being options to win in the east.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 22, 2019, 11:27:23 AM
Warriors vs Blazers are always a good match up.

Curry is now 10-0 vs Dame in the playoffs.

Those two sentences are a little contradictory, lol.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 22, 2019, 12:29:30 PM
... All I can say that though is I hope there is more parity this offseason going forward.  Like Durant going East or to the Clippers so things are more balanced. I think the east has been very exciting and balanced with the Bucks, Raptors, 76ers and Celtics being options to win in the east.

Agreed.

Golden State plays beautiful basketball a lot of the time, and I appreciate that... but it's hard to keep rooting for a team that is so clearly and obviously stacked with talent. They enter almost every game as overwhelming favorites to win, and so winning - even at a championship level - has become merely "meeting expectations" rather than a dramatic success. (Watching them struggle to overcome "boredom" isn't enough to keep me engaged.)

Watching the Eastern Conference this year has been a refreshing breath of fresh air, even if the actual basketball hasn't always been as pretty. Even 4 games into the conference finals, it's not clear who is the best team and who will proceed to the finals. I assume the Bucks will, but it's not a sure thing.


Kind of related; I wonder if the stability of the NBA playoffs is entirely a good thing. The best-of-7 format makes upsets rare and results mostly predictable. That makes sense because you do want the best teams to be crowned champions, but how much fun would it be to use early season results act as a round-robin ranking system that determines entry in a quick single elimination tournament at mid-season? I don't know what incentive would make this worthwhile for the players/teams (more money, time off, winner hosts All-Star weekend, who knows?) but it would be awesome for fans and might help to break up the grind a little bit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2019, 10:35:19 PM
Warriors vs Blazers are always a good match up.

Curry is now 10-0 vs Dame in the playoffs.

Those two sentences are a little contradictory, lol.

I should rephrase as I mean the Curry Warriors vs The Dame Blazers are always pretty intense games. It's just that Curry always comes out in top.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2019, 02:31:09 PM
A little video on who would give the Warriors more trouble going into the NBA Finals. Bucks or Raptors?

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgL9uv8KXF4
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 23, 2019, 04:00:27 PM
Any picks regarding who wins tonight?

Most analysts still seem to be hedging pretty heavily, with a slight preference to the Bucks.

I have a really hard time seeing Toronto take 3 in a row from Milwaukee though...  The Bucks haven't dropped three in a row all year, and their role players should look better at home. Also, Leonard's legs simply don't look right these days. Just watching him hobble around makes me wince.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 23, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
Neither Durant or Boogie will be ready for Game 1 of the Finals. But it's at least expected that Boogie will play at some point now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2019, 08:16:17 PM
Any picks regarding who wins tonight?

Most analysts still seem to be hedging pretty heavily, with a slight preference to the Bucks.

I have a really hard time seeing Toronto take 3 in a row from Milwaukee though...  The Bucks haven't dropped three in a row all year, and their role players should look better at home. Also, Leonard's legs simply don't look right these days. Just watching him hobble around makes me wince.
I think the Raptors are going to win tonight in part because they really need to because of what type of injuries Lowry and Leonard have currently. At the very least they can afford to lose game 6 and get some time to recover if game 6 is a blowout and they can put all their efforts to game 7.    In any case someone is going to have to win 2 of the next 3 to win the series ,wither it is the next two games or three, someone is going to have to win on the road.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 23, 2019, 08:53:40 PM
Hopefully the Raptors playing like garbage in the first quarter will help diffuse any "2 fouls on Siakam in first 2 minutes by Tony Borthers" conspiracy discussion. Hopefully.  Edit:  Oh wait, and now Brothers has called Leonard for a touch foul - also his second - just 8 minutes into the game. Whatever happens in the game from here on out, fans will be complaining tomorrow...


Fingers crossed the game doesn't turn into a blowout. Then again, I could use an early night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2019, 09:04:08 PM
That was a ugly first few minutes for the Raptors. Thankfully the Raptors closed the gap to finish the quarter to only be down by 10. 32-22 to end the first quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 23, 2019, 09:23:16 PM
Oh my... game is tied. Both teams are shooting poorly. Refs seem to have settled in after pissing off fans on both sides.  I can't turn away now. So much for an early night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2019, 10:41:20 PM
The defense of both teams are showing up so it is a lower scoring game than usual. 5:25  left in the 4th quarter. Raptors up 89-85.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2019, 10:44:38 PM
Kevin Durant named to All-NBA Second Team and Klay Thompson didn’t make any All-NBA teams. Ew.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2019, 11:06:14 PM
Wow Raptors win 105 to 99. 

I am kinda questioning near the end of the game why there wasn't a foul called when the Bucks pretty much nailed Lowry after 3 Bucks swarmed Leonard.  That was a swing moment for the Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
Kevin Durant named to All-NBA Second Team and Klay Thompson didn’t make any All-NBA teams. Ew.

Klay was pissed. I didn't watch the video yet, but this means he misses out on SuperMAX from the Warriors. They can only offer him the Max.
This means Dray will be balling out next yet to get DPOY or All NBA so he can qualify for SuperMax, but chances are, if Durant sticks around, they'll give it to him instead.


Also this Bucks Raps game..... man, Bucks went for 2pts in 7 minutes, and are lucky the Raptors only scored 12 in that same period of time after being down 10.
Blame the refs all you want, but that's where the Bucks lost that game at home. Right there in the 2nd quarter.

I'm still not sure who I'd rather see in the finals. Kawhi knows what it takes and can be a pest. Giannis is just long as **** and will try to bully us inside....

edit:
Game of Thrones S6E7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXgOUAMtcds

...I have to say that S6 isn't as good as some previous seasons.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 24, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
Wow Raptors win 105 to 99. 

I am kinda questioning near the end of the game why there wasn't a foul called when the Bucks pretty much nailed Lowry after 3 Bucks swarmed Leonard.  That was a swing moment for the Raptors.

There was contact but I don't think they actually "nailed" him, and they probably should have given how the game had been called in the second half instead of trusting a ref to call the quick foul. That said, I'm also not sure how much difference it made. Lowry is pretty reliable at the line in tight games - he hit two free throws right afterwards for example. (Yes, you always take the foul if possible and it's a lost opportunity, but that wasn't the turning point.)

The Raptors haven't been playing pretty ball most of the post-season, but wow can they grind out a win when they want to.

What a performance from VanVleet last night; law of averages kicking in there after shooting 3/25 from deep over a 9 game stretch. He also offered up a great quote during post-game interviews when asked about how the birth of his son might be motivation: "I'm not giving him no credit; it's all me. Y'know, it's all the work I been putting in. ..."  Hahaha, great job dad!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 25, 2019, 10:31:40 PM
OMG this Game 6 is amazing. Raptors are mounting a comeback in the 4th quarter with Leonard on the bench for some rest.  Very exciting game!! 78 all.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 25, 2019, 11:12:30 PM
Gotta say, props to the Raptors for finally making it to the end after so many years of failure.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 25, 2019, 11:16:58 PM
Raptors win and is going to their first Finals in franchise history!!!   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on May 25, 2019, 11:25:25 PM
See? Lebron was the problem the whole time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 26, 2019, 12:02:03 AM
See? Lebron was the problem the whole time.

Here's hoping it works out better for you than it did for us when we made it to the finals against the Bulls, the Warriors of that era.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2019, 12:14:26 AM
Gotta say, props to the Raptors for finally making it to the end after so many years of failure.
Love that backhanded compliment.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 26, 2019, 12:24:51 AM
Gotta say, props to the Raptors for finally making it to the end after so many years of failure.
Love that backhanded compliment.

Dude, they've been the joke of the NBA for decades. Those gifs of the Raptors mascot failing exists for a reason. This is like seeing the Washington Generals finally make the NBA Finals.

It's like Final Fantasy X, where the announcer introduces the Besaid Aurochs as a "living, breathing statistical improbability!"

As much as I mock their past "achievements", though, and as much as I pull for the Western Conference, I still want to see the Raptors pull it out and take the championship. Someone other than the Warriors should have it, and the Raptors have endured so many years of mockery. The franchise as a whole has earned it. I just hope they know how to claim it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 26, 2019, 12:26:37 AM
Gotta say, props to the Raptors for finally making it to the end after so many years of failure.
Love that backhanded compliment.

Just makes it all the sweeter.
(Especially when coming from a Jazz fan.)

I can't remember watching a team that would keep fighting game in and game out like this Raptors squad has. Taking four games in a row from the Bucks was insane, especially considering how many double-digit deficits they had to overcome.

The long-standing Raptors fan in me wanted to turn of the TV and go to sleep after that terrible first quarter... but I just couldn't. This team might not win it all, but they'll never stop fighting and it would be foolish to write them off prematurely.

Crazy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2019, 08:07:00 AM
@broodwars
No explanation needed. I was serious. I literally laughed out loud at your comment.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on May 26, 2019, 10:43:49 AM
So I'm kind of worried about the Finals going 7... because if Toronto's going to win it, it's gonna be in 7. And I'm flying into Toronto early in the morning on the day after Game 7 is scheduled for.

Based on what's happened the last time Canadian teams have made sports championships, I might be flying either into a party or a riot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2019, 02:03:29 PM
Damn, no basketball till Thursday.
What will I do with all my free time!?

We coming in "short handed" vs The Klaw, but I'm more worried about how so much rest for the Dubs will affect game 1.

I'm not expecting Cousins nor Durant until atleast game 3, cousins maybe a bit sooner if we somehow lose game 1.

Also it was really loud where I was at. What was happening at the end of regulation? Were the refs/league looking for ways to get the ball back to the Bucks in the final seconds? I could not tell the reason for the reviews in the last minute of the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 26, 2019, 03:48:41 PM
I think what happened with the refs at the end is that they were trying to gauge how much time was to be put on the clock after the attempted layup and the shot clock didn't reset after the ball hit the rim and the clock didn't stop and time continued. Basically how much time was left in the game. 

It is about at the 9 min mark on this video BnM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwyfIlcZXBQ
 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 26, 2019, 04:01:14 PM
As to the match up for Game 1 it is looking like Boogie, Durant are going to be out for Game 1 with Iggy is probable to start game 1. 

I think these 5 days are going to help Leonard and Lowry to recover a little bit and get ready for Game 1.  I did like the defense that they ran versus Giannis and maybe they can do something like that for Durant when he returns.  In the meantime I think a more perimeter based defense will work with Saikam, Leonard and Gasol being the focal points will be good.
   Gasol on Green, Leonard on Klay, and Siakam on Curry.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 26, 2019, 06:03:51 PM
Defensively, the Raptors will be fine. I mean, nobody is going to stop Golden State when they have six All-Stars on the team but Toronto has as good a roster to slow them down as anyone.

My big question is whether the Raptors can score enough points to stay in the game - especially given how poor their outside shooting has been since the playoffs started. Kawhi will pretty consistently get his, but after that it's a bit of a question mark where the points will come from. If Danny Green's shooting finally reverts to mean (ie: he gets silly hot like VanVleet was last series, to make up for the terrible percentages since playoffs started) then the games could at least be fun to watch.

However, I'm not sure that I agree with those defensive assignments. I'd rather see Leonard play as much on-ball defense as possible, and Klay's average time of possession is tiny - catch, shoot, rinse, repeat. Put Green on Klay instead.  Also, I'd rather trust Lowry/VanVleet to check Curry as primary defenders and let Siakam roam a bit on defense by assigning him to someone that isn't a lights-out shooter (ie: like Iguodala).

Also, it's hilarious that being "short-handed" for the Warriors means they can only start four players with a history of being consistent All-Stars instead of having 6 available to choose from. (Yes, Iggy was a perennial All-Star and remains an excellent player. He's clearly past his prime, but still darned effective in his role.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 26, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
It is looking like NBA free agency is going to start sooner than usual. Moved up from 12:01 am EST on July 1st to 6pm EST on June 30th.   Wonder if Toronto making it to the finals is going to change any plans Leonard has or if he is staying.  If he stays I could see the Raptors being the new Cavs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 26, 2019, 10:35:23 PM
My "short handed" comment was kinda dual proposed, also referencing to the size of Kawhi's hands.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 27, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
Boogie is questionable and Iggy is probable, right?  That makes me think both will be back before game 4.  The Warriors don't really need KD to be stacked, especially if they get either of the other two playing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2019, 12:44:32 AM
Iggy is good for game 1,
Cousins and Durant get re-evaluated this week. Neither are expected for Game 1.
Honestly, I wouldn't expect to see either until game 3 and/or 4 @ home.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2019, 10:01:01 AM
Then the Warriors are fine.  Iggy was the MVP when it was Steph, Klay, and Draymond.  I don't think they need the full Death Lineup to close games.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2019, 11:48:46 AM
Kerr has a presser saying something to the effect of: If this was regular season, I would throw Cousins on the court, give him his regular minutes and let him figure it out on the court in game.

So Cousins is only possibly sitting out game 1 because of match-up/conditioning issues.
if Game 1 doesn't go well, I can assume that Cousins will play to switch things up a little.
However, I DO NOT expect to see Durant touch the court till at least game 3 at the earliest, which is the Warriors first home game this series, assuming he comes back at all.

If we are not performing as expected, i could see them putting Durant out there if he's willing/capable, but they certainly aren't rushing him back unless they need to.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 28, 2019, 12:03:38 PM
Warriors are in good shape then.  I kinda wish Cousins was ready to go just because I'd like to see him play.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 28, 2019, 01:35:47 PM
It is looking like NBA free agency is going to start sooner than usual. Moved up from 12:01 am EST on July 1st to 6pm EST on June 30th.   Wonder if Toronto making it to the finals is going to change any plans Leonard has or if he is staying.  If he stays I could see the Raptors being the new Cavs.

Although trying really hard not to think about it - there are more important things over the coming week or two - I really really hope he decides to stay in Toronto. The team should still be really good if he leaves, but not NBA Finals good.

I really like the idea of moving free agency ahead. Starting at midnight made for a silly news cycle; this way things will actually happen during the day (or at least, I assume they will) instead of just waking up to discover what happened the night before.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 28, 2019, 01:41:41 PM
Prediction from Feb 25th:

Cousins still has plenty of time to get things going, and as long as force feeding him shots now doesn't disrupt chemistry there is no harm. Golden State is so stacked, it's hard to see anything really disrupting them without a major injury (or two).

Now it's come true; with Durant and Boogie out, and Iguodala on the mend, Raptors can be that disruptive force and win it all!

(I'm still betting on Warriors in 6 though. Raptors are a better team than anyone Golden State has faced in the playoffs except Houston - and I think Raptors could edge out Houston in a series. I'm not sure that Raptors are better then Warriors unless all their poor shooting since playoffs have started means the law of averages is about to swing viciously in their favor - much like what happened for VanVleet last series.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 28, 2019, 09:50:44 PM
Prediction from Feb 25th:

Cousins still has plenty of time to get things going, and as long as force feeding him shots now doesn't disrupt chemistry there is no harm. Golden State is so stacked, it's hard to see anything really disrupting them without a major injury (or two).

Now it's come true; with Durant and Boogie out, and Iguodala on the mend, Raptors can be that disruptive force and win it all!

(I'm still betting on Warriors in 6 though. Raptors are a better team than anyone Golden State has faced in the playoffs except Houston - and I think Raptors could edge out Houston in a series. I'm not sure that Raptors are better then Warriors unless all their poor shooting since playoffs have started means the law of averages is about to swing viciously in their favor - much like what happened for VanVleet last series.)

The Raptors will regress to the means and return to former series shooting averages!!! mwahahahahaa!!
vigorously rubs lamp and and says "I wish" prior to above statement
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2019, 12:11:12 PM
Rockets about to blow it all up!?

(https://i.imgur.com/Yy71ECk.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2019, 02:30:27 PM
You might as well if you're the Rockets.  This James Harden/CP3 experiment is a failed one.  I really don't see how they improve unless there's a change in their philosophy of prioritizing drawing fouls over making plays.  But who knows, maybe the right roster move could help them.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2019, 04:16:43 PM
Well, Harden and CP3 got into after the game 6 loss to the Warriors about CP3 wanting Harden to quick dribbling the air out the ball till late in the shot clock and move it around more. Harden apparently wasn't feeling that.

Rockets owners kept D'antoni on board, but fired all his assistants, and are now BLOWING UP the entire team, with the possibility of even trading Harden.

Rockets missed their window last season, but I don't think they should blow it all up.
I mean they even teasing trading Harden... and all their future picks.

first the Lakers, and now the Rockets.... what a crazy off season this will be. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 30, 2019, 10:21:01 AM
The sad part is that the Rockets best shot coincided with the Warriors strongest teams. You feel like they (ie: Golden State) just can't maintain everyone going forward and will have to drop off at some point. Durant leaving wouldn't prevent them from being front runners to win it all next year... but would remove some of that sense of inevitability.

It definitely will be an interesting off season though. lots of incredibly talented players who might (or might not) relocate. Some fan bases will end up very happy, and others are sure to be disappointed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2019, 01:36:45 PM
They're definitely beatable without Durant.  But they'd really have to lose both Cousins (FA) and Iggy (retirement) to not be a 100% sure thing for the finals.  And even then, they would still be favorited.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2019, 02:23:44 PM
DeMarcus Cousins is active for Game 1 (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26856347/cousins-active-warriors-game-1)

There’s a part of me that wants Cousins to be so good in this series that he (miraculously) wins Finals MVP. I just think it’d be funny if Steph Curry doesn’t win it again.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2019, 03:50:35 PM
It is going to be interesting with Cousins active for game 1. I imagine that they are going to play 11 to 12 each game till Durant comes back.   Kerr did a interview yesterday basically saying that he played 11 deep to make up for 40 minutes of Durants minutes in the Houston series. Likely going to go 9 to 10 this series with Boogie active for game one I imagine.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2019, 04:02:18 PM
I have the Raptors winning in 6.  I think defensively the Raptors are going to cause the Warriors a lot of headaches. Should be a good series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 30, 2019, 07:35:59 PM
I have the Raptors winning in 6.  ...

I want to believe so badly... but need to see the Raptors win a game before I can jump on that bandwagon.
Golden State is just such a juggernaut of a team that I have to give them benefit of the doubt until some weakness can be proven.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 30, 2019, 10:23:01 PM
How many other people are watching the game?
A ten point halftime lead for the Raptors is a pretty exciting way to get started.

Wonderful to see Danny Green actually hit some shots! The guy is hard working and a total class act. The Raptors also have other role players that look very comfortable on the big stage - with VanVleet and Gasol in particular both looking calm and collected. Should be a fun second half.

Hopefully Toronto doesn't feel like they've accomplished anything though. Just ask Portland how much a small lead early in the game is worth...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2019, 10:44:55 PM
Looking at the box score, this seems appropriate for the state of the Warriors right now.

(https://i.imgur.com/DCnYeuB.gif?noredirect)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 30, 2019, 11:05:57 PM
The Warriors could lose the first two games and not bat an eye.

But that gif might be a good impression of Warriors fans if the Raptors find a way to finish strong and draw first blood.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 30, 2019, 11:39:18 PM
For a supremely talented team, Golden State spent a LOT of time flopping and hunting for fouls instead of actually trying to control the game. Raptors definitely deserved this game.  (But wow, can Curry and Thompson ever shoot.)

So... Siakam for MIP has been a popular pick north of the border for a while. He sure didn't seem scared of the big stage.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2019, 11:50:24 PM
I was watching the game and it was amazing that the Raptors held the Warriors to 21 points in the first quarter. Boogie came off the bench in the 2nd and 4th quarters and passed well in a few instances but wasn't able to get much going offensively. Really only Curry and Klay got going in the game even though Draymond got a triple double. 

I have to say that the team defense all game by the Raptors was so tough even at the end of the game. They did not let up.   I also have to say that the X-Factor for the Raptors was Danny Green and he played superbly.  Lowry did all the little things like taking charges, passing and rebounding.   Finally Gasol and Siakam helped out a load with scoring. Gasol actually had 14 points in the first half and was the leading scorer then.  Siakam just could not miss his shots. At one point he had 10 straight buckets.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on May 31, 2019, 02:19:23 AM
The only thing I have to say about tonight.

(https://i.imgur.com/5qj3xtx.png)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 31, 2019, 08:24:55 AM
The only thing I have to say about tonight.

Nothing to see here folks, just keep on walking...

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2019, 10:17:02 AM
With game 1 out the way, the line between well rested and too rested is hopefully washed away.

Siakim had an amazing game against us, but I think we did a better than decent job on containing Kawhi and not allowing him to get off at any point in the game. Overall, I feel like the Raptors showed up, and the Warriors weren't fully prepared for it.

The Warriors just didn't have any real production outside of Curry and Klay to get over the hump, and all the damn turnovers really kept preventing any momentum shifts. I doubt game 2 goes the same way, so it'll be interesting if Warriors get back to the intensity of play on both sides of the ball that they had in the previous series.

I also bet they start getting Durant in some warm up routines and start practicing him just before game 2, so he's available in game 3. With a Durant on the floor last night and Warriors win this one. just needed someone else to reliably score... or a group of other to collectively score, and we just didn't quite have it together last night.

It's all good though. It's just game 1. There's still plenty of basketball to play going forward.
on to the next one!!!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 31, 2019, 10:22:30 AM
The only thing I have to say about tonight.

(https://i.imgur.com/5qj3xtx.png)

Drake makes some of the absolute worst tattoo decisions I've ever seen.  He's also an incredibly weird fanboy.

Anyway, I was happy to see the Raptors win.  I worried that if they couldn't win game 1 they'd be at risk for a sweep.  Cousins still has a lot of rust, which I think was a big factor, since he was only able to rack up 8 minutes of play time, leaving a lot on the table for others.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on May 31, 2019, 11:02:46 AM
Prior to his recent injury, has Cousins ever played well for Golden State?
The west coast games are usually too late for me, so I haven't seen him enough to judge fairly... but my very limited viewing suggested he never quite looked healthy and/or comfortable in the Warriors system at any point this season. If true, any expectation that he could come back in against a solid Raptors defensive squad and make a meaningful difference seems pretty bold.

Durant is a different matter... but even there, his effectiveness might be tied to how healthy his leg is.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on May 31, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
Out of the 30 games he played, he averaged 16 points and 8 rebounds per game (if I'm reading this right).

Maybe not KD, but he certainly averages better than he played last night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 31, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
I think the Warriors chances while KD is out relies on how much production they get out of everyone not named Klay and Steph.  I think that the Warriors made runs in game one but they only had the lead 5 times in the game and the last time they had the lead was in the middle of the second quarter. Only quarter they won was the 3rd quarter and that was 32 to 29.  I don't think they have much they can do defensively to stop all the options the Raptors have that can show up to help Leonard.  Saikam, Gasol, Lowry, VanFleet, Green ect.


As to Cousins I am not a super fan of the Warriors but the few times I saw Cousins play in the regular season he did help spread the floor and his passing is solid but he wasn't able to keep up with the pace in transition most of the time so with him out there the team becomes more about the half-court offense and what he can bring for the Warriors there.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
With Cousins, I think we have 3 types of offense we run

Curry at point and no Durant = Fast Motion Offense

Durant in game = Partial Motion / Iso Offense

Cousins in the game = Back to the basket post up / partial motion / Iso Offense

If Cousins had played more than 20 games with the team during the season, they may have figured out how to make the 3rd offense flow a little better. Cousins was still trying to find his place and how he can best contribute, and Curry and Durant were too busy feeding him in the post and encouraging him to shoot wide open 3's to just continue doing their own thing and let Cousins find his natural fit in the flow of the offense.


edit: Did anyone notice that Drake was also wearing a Curry Raptors jersey....?
Did Dell or Seth play for the Raptors?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 31, 2019, 10:28:47 PM
Yes Drake wore an old school Raptors jersey and Dell Curry, Steph's dad did play for the Raptors in 3 seasons in the early 2000s in the Raptors 5th,6th and 7th season as a team.  He also is one of the few players who played for two expansion teams in the NBA. The Hornets in the late 80s throughout the 90s and then the Raptors in his last 3 seasons in the NBA.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 01, 2019, 12:00:14 AM
I just find this guy entertaining. 

For BnM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzf6Vu0hbQY
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 01, 2019, 06:15:36 PM
So it is looking like the Warriors are going to be without Durant for game 2 but Iggy will be playing so for the starting lineup you have Curry, Klay, Iggy, Green and Bell. Kerr said today that he liked Bell in for Center because of his speed so that is likely to be the case for game 2. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2019, 08:58:35 PM
I was all excited for basketball tonight then I looked it up, and the game is tomorrow. Well, there go my Saturday night (https://youtu.be/0O8m0mMDpHw) plans.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 02, 2019, 06:16:49 PM
So I'm torn... who is the game more important for tonight, and how important is it really?

A Toronto win puts them in the driver's seat if looking at historical percentages... but does that matter when your opponent is as talented and experienced as Golden State, and Durant might be returning before long? (Plus we saw last round just how easily a 2-0 lead can turn into a 2-4 loss.)

A Golden State win would put a ton of pressure on Toronto to take one while visiting the Bay, but they've won tough games on the road when necessary and I fully believe them to be capable of taking one in Oakland.

In both cases, it feels like a key game to win; in both cases it feels like the other team could still compete if they lose.  I have to imagine that Golden State comes out focused and really wants the win here. Should be exciting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2019, 06:29:24 PM
It would be hilarious if Toronto did this year what the Warriors did in the 2nd year of this run.

Finish the Conference Final from behind, and then lose the NBA Finals the exact opposite way.

Remember when the Warriors came back from behind against OKC 1-3, and then lose to Cavs after being up 3-1.

Not hoping for nor expecting a Warrior loss tonight, but just thought that would be funny to see that happen again
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 02, 2019, 07:57:48 PM
As a Raptors fan, I would be sad if that happened... but that sort of symmetry would also be a cool oddity.

Cousins starting. Not really a surprise, as the last game really felt like a light warm-up more than anything.
I've never been a huge fan, but he could end up being a wrecking ball inside. I like the move for Golden State.

On the Raptors side, it's awesome that Anunoby is back in play - but it seems doubtful that he'll be able to come in as a difference maker after emergency surgery caused him to miss all of the playoff games so far. Seems like he's got a ton of potential, but it was a rough season for the guy. That's a real shame for the Raptors, as otherwise his defense could be really helpful this series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
Raptors up by 5 at the half. 59-54.   Warriors tightened up the defense a bit in the first quarter and Klay got going early.  Curry didn't really show up till near the end of the 2nd quarter.  Cousins have been solid but got in foul trouble. Iggy took a hard fall near the end of the 2nd quarter and Looney  got hurt as well. Looney is questionable to return but Iggy is back for the 2nd half.

The Raptors are doing very well with their defense and I hope they can contain them in the 3rd quarter.  Main reason the warriors are in it is because of all the free throws.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2019, 10:05:38 PM
That 3rd quarter... Raptors were scoreless for the first 5 mins. They recovered a bit but it is going to be tough. Warriors up by 8. 88-80  Very doable for the Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2019, 10:16:37 PM
Looks like Klay got hurt and is going to the bench.  Heading to the locker room.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 02, 2019, 10:47:43 PM
Sigh... So close!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2019, 10:53:46 PM
No one wearing a Raptors uniform even considered a token attempt at closing out on Iguodala. He hesitated to shoot almost as if he was surprised he was so wide open for as long as he was.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 03, 2019, 03:14:47 AM
Disclaimer: I was watching the game out of the corner of my eye while I was in a concert and the bar had the TV tuned in. Those last 5 minutes were hellish.

That was a disgusting display of defense by Toronto. Iggy went to the corner and no one followed him for the duration of that possession. Even as he was catching the ball and the opportunity to put a bad free throw shooter at the line presented itself, Toronto still didn't care to even look at him. Embarrassing.

EDIT: Looking at replays, WTF is Siakam doing? Toronto had a timeout why was he so desperate to run up the court?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 03, 2019, 08:36:15 AM
Ugh.  Nobody feels like a winner coming out of that game. Reffing was gross. That opening 5:40 stretch in the third quarter where Raptors didn't score a single point... woof!  And even though the Warriors won, they hardly looked like champions.

It'll be interesting to see if Toronto can counter-punch and even things up after the two games at Oracle. I mean, they pretty much need one of those games if they want any chance to win the series.  The pressure is on now.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 03, 2019, 10:31:54 AM
Toronto should have won this game and if they lose the series this will go right up there as their biggest regret. Warriors are losing bodies faster than they can get them back. Boogie played well considering his recovery but he can still be a liability, while still being a net positive over Looney. But you still need Looney because **** Bogut. Klay is now banged up, Iggy is still banged up. Curry's confidence took a hit.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2019, 01:10:05 PM
Kawhi's 100% free throw shooting is incredible, but then he "only" shot 40% from the field.  2 more made shots would've been all the difference, but it's hard to expect him to play much better than he already is.

Also, is it weird that Toronto only has like 3 people coming off the bench?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2019, 01:44:08 PM
While I like the Raptors, I want the Warriors to win this series if only because this is my favorite post in this thread:
Congrats to Toronto. Even without LeBron in your conference, you still find ways to own yourselves.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2019, 04:52:12 PM
I guess the super focus on Steph and Klay is what caused everyone else to be able to be able to get in the shots they needed to win, Iggy included.  I guess we shall see if the Raptors can get game 3 and win it and at least keep things even once they head back home for game 5.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 03, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
Klay - Banged up
Boogie - still recovering
Iggy - perpetually hurt
KD - out
Looney - out
Curry - hopefully staying hydrated.

THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TORONTO DON'T SCREW IT UP.

I'm serious if Klay can't go that means Alfonzo McKinnie is going to be an NBA Finals starter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 03, 2019, 11:19:40 PM
...
THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TORONTO DON'T SCREW IT UP.
...

Speaking as a long-sufferingtime fan... have you seen the Raptors?

Seriously though, this really is their chance. Toronto is a little bit banged up, but Golden State looks like they have real injury concerns.  The 2019 championship is just 3 games away for either team; who will be the ones to take it?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2019, 08:27:44 AM
We have ESPN on muted in the break room at work so I only caught a brief glimpse of the TV graphic. Klay Thompson is apparently playing in Game 3. I tried to verify this by googling “Klay Thompson” and the fourth suggestion on The Google is “Klay Thompson girlfriend” so that’s a thing I know now. (I wasn’t able to verify that he’s definitely playing, just that he can’t see himself not playing).

Unless Kevin Durant can play in Game 4, this series is the Raptors to win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 04, 2019, 10:09:48 AM
I was checking the ESPN app earlier, and it lists Klay as "day-to-day".  But if he doesn't play, the Raptors should have an easy opportunity to steal a Doritos Locos Tacoroad win.  I don't think Steph can do it as the sole option.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 05, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
It is looking like Looney is out for the rest of the season. Durant is likely out for game 3 and Klay is questionable and will be a game time decision. Klay is out for game 3. The Raptors need this one tonight!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 05, 2019, 01:42:49 PM
Iggy only has so many big games left in him too.  I'd imagine he'd pick up some more minutes from Looney.  Raptors could possibly win this whole thing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 05, 2019, 11:07:27 PM
Given the Warriors injury situation, the Raptors should win this one. You can only play who is in front of you though, and Toronto has done a pretty decent job so far (going into the fourth).

Curry is amazing to watch. Even with everyone knowing that he's the only significant scoring threat, he's hung 40 points already.  It's a shame there isn't much help... of course, if there was more help he wouldn't be putting on the same type of show.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 05, 2019, 11:21:02 PM
Raptors have been excellent most of the game and aside from the 2nd quarter and all those turnovers have been in control of the game.  I am almost positive that the Raptors are going to win the game. Currently it is 111-94 with 5:41 left in the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 05, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
Ha - was writing the same thing when you posted.

The real question is what happens next. With (presumably) Thompson and (possibly) Durant back in the lineup, the Warriors wouldn't look anything like the team playing tonight. They could win 3 games straight... or maybe they still aren't healthy and that Raptors win out. Who knows?

What a weird series - even more so considering it's the finals.

I do love the block party going on tonight though. Ibaka looking great. Danny Green with an amazing block on the break earlier. It's been fun.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 05, 2019, 11:27:03 PM
Oh my goodness Ibaka is a defensive beast this 4th quarter.  Green with a chase down block earlier in the quarter.  Love this defensive intensity by the Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 05, 2019, 11:31:25 PM
Arrgh... It's almost like one team wants this more, and knows how important the game is for a championship, and the other team just wants time to run out. Raptors looking way too lax in the final minutes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 05, 2019, 11:36:09 PM
VanVleet with the 3!!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 05, 2019, 11:45:27 PM
Looking like Raptors are going to win this.  123-109 for the final. Raptors up 2-1. 

Impressive showing for Curry with 47. 62 for the rest of the team.    Raptors had a balanced scoring effort with Kawhi with 30 and Lowry had 23. The rest of the starters scored in double digits. Ibaka turned back the clock and had 6 blocks and 2 steals.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 05, 2019, 11:49:13 PM
Woo!  Raptors have to be happy after taking back home court advantage. 6 blocks off the bench is a NBA Finals record - nicely done, Serge! They really needed to take one game while visiting Oracle, and with that done the question shifts to what happens (and who from Golden State plays) in game 4.

If the Warriors lose another game, it would be rough for them to pull this out. Because nobody loses the finals after being up 3-1 right? (If they got the full roster back, I could totally see Golden State taking 3 in a row... It wouldn't be a sure thing, but it would definitely be possible.)

How badly injured is Durant, anyway? I've been hearing chatter that he might not be back at all this series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 06, 2019, 12:11:05 AM
I mean Durant has been out since the Houston series and in the first round Cousins got hurt but he played in the first game in the finals so based on that metric I am going to surmise a Game 4 or 5 return with game 5 being more likely.  I do think if that Raptors go up 3-1 then Durant is definitely playing.    Kerr also said that he wants Durant to play in practice before returning to the game. That hasn't happened yet. Next game is on Friday the 7th of June. We shall see what happens then.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 06, 2019, 03:26:21 AM
Remember Toronto could have been up 3-0.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 06, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
Remember Toronto could have been up 3-0.

Or they could have lost in the conference semis. But instead it's a tenuous 2-1 lead in the finals with some big guns for the Warriors set to return soon.

Playing "what if" games doesn't change anything... although if Golden State comes back to win the series then letting that third quarter of game 2 cost them a win will probably haunt a few Raptors players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
Steph had a great game last night, with practically 1/2 the Warriors points for the portion of the game he played.

If only Klay had been active, or Boogie was anywhere near as dominant a force he was in the Pels before his injury, Warriors might've took this one. But this was more or less a scheduled loss/hopeful win.
For Toronto, this was a MUST WIN situation.
Is Steph won this game, Toronto might as well not even show up for game 4.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 06, 2019, 03:57:44 PM
The best thing about this run to the finals: win or lose, the Raptors will still be discounted and underrated afterwards. Pundits still underestimate them and write them off as "lucky to be here" instead of giving recognition about how they've fought through injury, shooting droughts, and tough opponents without blinking.

Draymond can take his "We just gotta continue to battle and win the next game, go back to Toronto, win Game 5, come back to Oracle, win Game 6, and celebrate" prediction and shove it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2019, 04:54:48 PM
Warriors' Looney could still return in NBA Finals (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26912647/sources-warriors-looney-return-finals)

I like both teams. I understand injuries happen, but I wanted to see a team take down the Warriors with a mostly full roster. Weirdly, the Warriors are the underdogs now so I'm leaning on rooting for them even though I originally wanted them to lose this year, just not like this. It's a confusing time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
Damn, Durant out for game 4 as well...
I'm starting to believe the whispers that KD's injury was more serious than initially let on to protect his off season signing.

Or maybe Kerr just don't want to hit the panic button yet....
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2019, 05:27:01 PM
Klay Thompson will apparently play in Game 4 so I’m hoping for an even series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2019, 05:39:08 PM
If Klay plays, they'll definitely tie up the series.  The Warriors not named Steph could not get it together without both Splash Bros.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 06, 2019, 07:22:08 PM
Glad to hear that Thompson will be back. He's a great player and watching him shoot is an absolute pleasure.

I hope the Raptors trounce them again in game 4 - which would make 3 easy wins in 4 games. Although even if that were to happen, people will make excuses rather than give Toronto any credit.  (That said, it would be a bit shocking if Golden State doesn't find a way to win. They need this game, they'll be playing at home again, and even after injuries they have more all-stars, maybe even hall of fame, players on the court than their opponents... Another loss would be pretty embarrassing.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 06, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
So the first deal in the offseason has happened. Nets trading Allen Crabbe, #17th pick in 2019, and protected first in 2020 to the Hawks for Taurean Prince and a second round pick in 2021.  This is going to clear 19 million for the Nets so they would have cap space for 1 Max free agent and even retain DeAngelo Russell if they like.  If they let DeAngelo go then that is two max slots for free agents.



As to the injury news I am wondering if KD will be able to play this series if it doesn't go longer than 5 games. It is nice to see Klay back for game 4 though. Should make things more even for game 4. It will make things more balanced as far as players go.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2019, 10:38:13 PM
Biggest NBA news of the offseason: Paul Pierce's legendary 2011 Finals return to a game after being carried out from that game in a wheelchair was caused by him pooping himself.

Second biggest news: Adam Silver wants west coast games to start at 6pm local time.  Mark Cuban is cool with it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 12:04:26 AM
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 07, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
Has anyone noticed that the Warriors have scored 109 points in all 3 games so far?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 12:45:42 PM
Yep. It is pretty amazing to score the same in wins and losses.  I guess that is the metric that they need to keep the Raptors under going forward if they want to win.  I just looked it up and the offensive rating of the Warriors are 115.5 and the defensive rating of the Raptors is 103.6, average those out and you get, wait for it,... 109.55. Funny how that works out.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 07, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
There's something so satisfying about analytics working out like that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
It is looking like Looney isn't out of the series quiet yet. Klay is returning tonight as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
That first quarter wasn't pretty. At the half I am thankful that the Raptors are only down by 4.   Gotta get some stops and some production off of turnovers in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 07, 2019, 10:15:38 PM
I don't know they need more stops - maybe just hit a few of those wide open 3s.
Honestly, I like the way that Raptors are playing better than Warriors so far. Neither team shooting well though. Whoever starts hitting from outside first will have a huge advantage.

Does Klay Thompson have the most beautiful shot in the NBA?  Although watching Curry's overall action is often more enjoyable, I think that Klay's shooting form is a work of art.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 10:35:15 PM
Klay has been impressive this game.  This 3rd quarter things are going back and forth and no lead seems to be safe.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:00:11 PM
End of the 3rd quarter and Raptors up 79-67. Ibaka  has been huge off the bench with 15 points in 14 mins to help out Leonard who has 31.  24 points between Ibaka and Leonard in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:05:06 PM
Oh no VanFleet. Got a bloody eye from Livingston after an attempted basket.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 07, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
No intent or anything, but wow... that elbow looked nasty.  Hopefully not a concussion, but it wouldn't be a surprise to see VanVleet miss time afterwards. That would be a big loss for Toronto on both sides of the floor.

Thankfully for the Raptors, Ibaka has been a beast tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:16:58 PM
Yeah it was Livingston trying to angle himself around Ibaka and his momentium just leading his elbow back after the shot attempt where VanVleet was waiting for the rebound.   

This 4th quarter hardly anyone has scored but the Raptors defense is coming through.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 07, 2019, 11:20:03 PM
Wow. The shots that Toronto is manufacturing have consistently been so good this game.  Tons of open shots from all over the court. If they hold on to win, will anyone give them credit for outplaying the Warriors on both sides? Not likely.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:25:34 PM
Raptors I think has been playing wonderfully on both sides of the floor. With the defense they have the right personal with the different lineups Kerr plays and the right X and Os. Offensively they are finding the right shots and having that extra pass to get points.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:37:47 PM
Raptors are going to win this one. 105-92
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 07, 2019, 11:38:51 PM
That didn’t go according to plan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 07, 2019, 11:40:43 PM
Yeah, this is pretty much over.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 07, 2019, 11:44:55 PM
That didn’t go according to plan.


link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpVfcZ0ZcFM
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2019, 11:49:20 PM
I mean coming back from a 3-1 lead has happened before and the Warriors have done it versus Durant's Thunder but it may take more of a team play from the  Warriors in points and not one or two players going off.  Lebron did it with Love and Irving in 2016 but the Warriors may not have enough to do it versus this tough Raptor defense.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 07, 2019, 11:56:39 PM
Regardless of the record, Warriors are one of the most dangerous teams in the NBA.
You feel like Toronto should be able to win one game out of three... but all kinds of things could happen.
I will say that it would be insane if Raptors win the title during one of their home games. Toronto would go absolutely nuts!

Over the last 8 games (vs Warriors and Bucks) Toronto has gone 7-1 and looked pretty convincingly like a team that deserves the championship... Here's hoping they can finish it off.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2019, 02:14:04 AM
Ugly game tonight. Warriors just didn't bring it.
I was surprised to see Looney was back, but Cousins is a liability is he ain't putting up 20/10/5

I still think last game may have had a swing to the Warriors if the refs hadn't missed 2 goaltends, one of which was very blatant and even shown in replay, and then didn't call a foul on Cook when Lowry threw himself in front of Cook taking away a Curry 3.
But that game is gone...

This game was... Just played better by the Raptors in the stretch. If the Dubs could've just stopped turning the ball over, and actually scored, they should've had va very comfortable lead early on, but nope. They wasn't in the cards for tonight.

Maybe we get the next one, and then Durant comes back in game 5 and gives us that little extra we need to overcome all these damn injuries and hungry Raptors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 08, 2019, 04:22:23 AM
It is going to be a stretch if the warriors can get KD back for game 5 on Monday which is an elimination game but if the warriors can pull it off on the Raptors home court maybe KD comes back for game 6 and see if anything changes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 08, 2019, 09:40:15 AM
Refs missed stuff both ways. Raptors had better offensive sets that created more open shots, and also had better team defense that pressured Golden State. Hard to argue that one "got away" when Toronto has pretty consistently outplayed them in virtually every aspect of the game...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Shaymin on June 08, 2019, 11:22:05 AM
I'm not going to believe it until Drake's holding the O'Brien Trophy, honestly. Though I read someone comparing this series to the Pistons '04 win where the blue and gold California dynasty implodes and definitely starting to see it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 08, 2019, 11:28:43 AM
I hate it, thanks. Drake having anything to do with this championship run sours it all.

I've already made peace with these Finals. 3 championships and a 5 year dynasty is incredible after rooting for a team that was hot garbage through most of my adult life. I am eager to see what becomes of the Warriors post-Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ShyGuy on June 08, 2019, 11:56:25 AM
Lebron should go to the Warriors, Durant should restart the Seattle Super Sonics.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 08, 2019, 12:36:35 PM
Refs missed stuff both ways. Raptors had better offensive sets that created more open shots, and also had better team defense that pressured Golden State. Hard to argue that one "got away" when Toronto has pretty consistently outplayed them in virtually every aspect of the game...

Not sure if this was directed at me, but I never said "one got away", I was merely arguing that a momentum shift might've gone towards the Warriors had those pretty obvious bad/missed calls not gone the way they did. There were TONS of other bad calls on both sides, but the 3 I mentioned stood out the most for me.

but moving on..... spilt milk is still spilt.

Game of Zones S6E8 (Finale)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P34ku_qSTHI


that ending tho. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on June 10, 2019, 12:43:24 AM
We're looking at potentially a Toronto Raptors Championship...over the OP Golden State Warriors...decisively in 5 games. What post-apocalyptic hellscape have we ended up in this time, and how long until we Slide?  :P
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 07:44:02 AM
It's not over yet... so even if a "decisive in 5" result would be a pretty, but is still a long way away. That said, winning 3 in a row against this Raptors team looks unlikely based on the evidence we've seen this season.

Toronto matches up pretty well with Golden State, has a lot of confidence, and are following the lead of an unflappable superstar who looks poised to win his second Finals MVP trophy unless things don't change very suddenly. And yet their demeanor after game 4 was perfect - nothing has been accomplished unless they get another win: it's all business until then.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c71D2uGkzkk
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 10, 2019, 03:53:34 PM
KD "expected" to play tonight.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qyNLkUYAAAKBs?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 05:37:51 PM
KD "expected" to play tonight.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8qyNLkUYAAAKBs?format=png&name=900x900)
This is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 08:02:58 PM
Really, really excited to watch this game.

Feels like Golden State has a lot of factors going their way with Durant (finally) back and prior experience - both winning and losing in high pressure situations - helping them to stay grounded.  Although maybe "grounded" isn't the right word? Their self-confidence borders on pure hubris, even knowing how dangerous they can be.

Still, I have a hard time seeing Golden State drop 3 in a row. Granted, I also didn't expect the Raps to run through Milwaukee for four straight games last round.  Whatever happens, it's fun to see the excitement build. If Raptors do win tonight, the entirely city of Toronto will go absolutely bonkers!

Anyone have a hot take for tonight?  (My "Raptors win, but not tonight" opinion seems the exact opposite.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 10, 2019, 08:45:06 PM
My hot take is that regardless of what happens there will be drama with Durant.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 09:22:30 PM
My hot take is that regardless of what happens there will be drama with Durant.

Coldest take ever. ;)

What's not cold: the Warriors in the first 5 minutes. Absolutely scorching..!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 09:44:17 PM
Well the 1st quarter has been very solid for both teams. Durant is on fire from 3. 34-28 Warriors after one.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 09:52:26 PM
The first quarter tonight was SOOOO Much better than last game!

Genuinely hope Durant is ok. That didn't look good.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Well Durant tried to make a move on Ibaka and he tweaked his leg again. Lets hope it isn't too bad. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 09:58:00 PM
Well Durant tried to make a move on Ibaka and he tweaked his leg again. Lets hope it isn't too bad.

That's not normally an area you "tweak", is it? No contact, and he immediately knew it was done.
I had something similar happen, and it was a real problem. I'd be surprised to see Durant back in the series.

But hey, Boogie looking real good since coming in.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 10:01:05 PM
Okay Cousins is making an impact off the bench in less than 2 minutes with 7 points.  Okay Cousins.   

As for Durant I just hope it isn't anything serious just for the health of him long term.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 10, 2019, 10:24:17 PM
It's clear now that he wasn't ready to come back.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 10:34:56 PM
OMG. Does Steph always hunt for fouls this badly, and whine and complain when he doesn't get them?
A few of those shot attempts were Houston level BSery.

(I kid you not, I've lost some respect for him this series. The guy has so much pure talent that the flopping and contortions detract from.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 10:44:04 PM
Looks like Durant is out for the game and will get a MRI tomorrow.

Also this run by the Warriors and this 3 point percentage as a team. My goodness Warriors.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 11:03:00 PM
84-78 start of the 4th quarter for the Warriors.
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Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 11:23:15 PM
So just at the 5 minute mark... the game clearly isn't over, but it feels like Kawhi wants this badly.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 11:26:51 PM
103 to 97 Raptors with 3:05 left.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2019, 11:39:04 PM
Ugh there will be a game 6. 106-105 Warriors.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 10, 2019, 11:52:48 PM
Raptors had the game where they wanted it and took a nice little lead, but in the final minutes GS stayed super cool while Toronto seemed to get ahead of themselves. They won the game with a few nice threes when the pressure was on.

Speaking of threes though, you have to figure that the percentages from this game (25% Toronto, 47.6% GS) will even out a bit in one of the next two games. I'm still betting on Toronto winning; hard to say when though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 11, 2019, 12:21:44 AM
It's an Achilles. Holy crap this sucks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 11, 2019, 12:53:28 AM
Also, I wasn't watching the game live because I was watching Squeenix's E3 event but holy **** Toronto fans non-stop cheering of KD's injury is downright despicable.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 11, 2019, 12:58:05 AM
Emotional response by Bob Myers on KDs injury.

Linky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrB5ObKXWaE
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2019, 06:44:34 AM
OMG. Does Steph always hunt for fouls this badly, and whine and complain when he doesn't get them?
A few of those shot attempts were Houston level BSery.

(I kid you not, I've lost some respect for him this series. The guy has so much pure talent that the flopping and contortions detract from.)

When you constantly get mauled and the Refs apparently never notice and never give you the call, you start to exaggerate it. Curry has a fat ass scar across his chest from a foul that I didn't see called. Klay has one similar, and if you watch the game closely, you will know that Curry and Klay are constantly fouled w/o a call being made.
Klay got slapped on the elbow during a 3pt shot tonite and they gave the ball to Toronto. He pleaded his case, but somehow the refs missed it. I don't know how often Klay misses a shot that bad without the ball being challenged, but replay showed it was clearly a foul on the shot.

But we won. 1 more game in Oracle.
Bringing it back to the Bay one more time. I can only hope we win it all for Durant.
otherwise his sacrifice is pointless. We gotta win this next one, and then the one after that as well.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 11, 2019, 07:59:49 AM
Also, I wasn't watching the game live because I was watching Squeenix's E3 event but holy **** Toronto fans non-stop cheering of KD's injury is downright despicable.

Totally agree.

The only defense is that many of the people who can afford those tickets don't represent real Raptor fans. Instead it's a lot of "who's who" of Toronto (and beyond), the well-off people who are coming for the spectacle instead of the basketball.  That's not an excuse - there is no excuse for cheering when someone goes down with a serious injury - but it was a pretty disgusting moment.

...
When you constantly get mauled and the Refs apparently never notice and never give you the call, you start to exaggerate it. Curry has a fat ass scar across his chest from a foul that I didn't see called. Klay has one similar, and if you watch the game closely, you will know that Curry and Klay are constantly fouled w/o a call being made.
Klay got slapped on the elbow during a 3pt shot tonite and they gave the ball to Toronto. He pleaded his case, but somehow the refs missed it. I don't know how often Klay misses a shot that bad without the ball being challenged, but replay showed it was clearly a foul on the shot.
...

You've seen how GS play defense right? Those missed calls (and fouls that shouldn't have been called) go both ways. But the way Klay handles his business and the way that Curry feints and flops hunting fouls isn't comparable.

I won't defend Harden hunting for fouls instead of trying to rely on his talent; I'm not going to defend Curry doing the same thing. (Curry does do it less often, but that almost makes it more noticeable.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2019, 09:23:36 AM
Kevin Durant potentially injuring his Achilles was a concern that was discussed on ESPN’s Hoop Collective podcast before Game 5. After practice, Brian Windhorst saw him with ice on his calf and Achilles. Clearly, Durant loves playing basketball, but someone in the Warriors organization should have put their foot down and forced him not to play.

It’s a shame. Analysts and armchair GMs would have questioned his toughness had he not played. After getting injured, I bet they’re waxing about how he should have been more careful etc. etc.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2019, 11:06:33 AM
There was some press about the Warriors being "frustrated" with his progress, but I remember that being kinda vague.  Like was it a frustration that he was still hurt or just that he wasn't toughing it out?  Not being specific makes it seem more like the latter to me, but either way it implied the team was in a rush to get him back out there.  And then they rushed him out there, so it seems.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 11, 2019, 11:07:24 AM
There's a weird narrative as well. Kerr washed his hands immediately last night and deferred to Bob Myers. So it makes sense that there was a lot of uncertainty going into the game. Add to that the Kawakami report over the weekend talking about "player discontent" and it's a very messy situation.

The thing I want to know is did Durant understand the potential for re-injury was high? Because if he did then it's hard to really assign blame within the organization. But if trainers or staff withheld information from him then the **** has really hit the fan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ShyGuy on June 11, 2019, 02:31:33 PM
This is turning into quite the drama.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 11, 2019, 04:15:31 PM
Everyone is making a bigger deal of this than it is. It seems this recent injury is different from the one he had a month back.  He was good to go and the only concern was that he would of tweaked the leg going into game 5 in the interview with Kerr before Game 5.   He was good to go with practice and he did practice with the younger/lower mins players the day before game 5 so he was ready.   

As to Kerr brushing it off to Myers, Myers was in the back and knew more about the situation since ya know Kerr was coaching the game when Durant went back into the locker room.  Just let things lie until we know more about the situation aside from what we know about the Achilles after one day.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2019, 04:29:29 PM
I’m no scientician. However, my understanding is that the injuries can be related. If Durant’s calf was still not 100%, playing on it would cause more strain on other parts of his body such as the Achilles. Like they’re compensating for a weaker body part and doing more than they were meant to do thus further injury. Additionally, I’ve read that Achilles injuries can be kooky. You could step off the curb, feeling perfectly fine, then boom, your Achilles explodes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 11, 2019, 04:47:20 PM
Not talking about the Achilles injury itself, yes obviously that is serious.

I was more talking about some of the responses on how the Warrior's orginazation rushed Durant back on the court and that they knew more than they did and just wanted him on the court. Not a fan of those hot takes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 11, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
As to Kerr brushing it off to Myers, Myers was in the back and knew more about the situation since ya know Kerr was coaching the game when Durant went back into the locker room.  Just let things lie until we know more about the situation aside from what we know about the Achilles after one day.

Kerr was asked if he had any regrets about putting Durant back in the series and he shut down the reporter by saying "I'm going to leave that to Bob". Even if his intent wasn't to start **** he did it anyway by handing off the question in such a manner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-V2fwvY8Wo - the sequence starts around minute 1:45.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2019, 08:04:12 PM
So I just found out that Drake has a $750,000 watch that can display, among other things, "I lust to devour your pussy." That's in my brain now so I want the Warriors to win this series because I don't want Drake to be happy. Ever.

I don't care how good 0 to 100 is.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2019, 09:48:01 PM
But Adrock, listen. The mixtape he might drop if the Raptors win could be epic. Anything could happen.

But! What if Pusha T, in an effort to rain on Drake's self-insertion into the Raptor's championship parade, decides to drop the rumored follow up diss he had planned last summer?

Suspense!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 12, 2019, 07:06:22 AM
Oh no! Last two minute report from game 5 confirms that Gasol should have been awarded two free throws after getting fouled by Cousins on his drive attempt in the final minute. Raptors should have won!

(Not to be taken seriously. This changes nothing. Calls are missed all through the game, on both sides. Gasol should have gone up stronger. Curry and Thompson put up 9 points in the final minutes compared to 2 for the entire Toronto team. Focusing on one missed call at the end of the game - even in a close game with high stakes - would be pretty silly.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 12, 2019, 06:05:41 PM
https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1138895352893923329?s=20

The more Kerr opens his mouth, the more I grow to mistrust the Dubs staff/trainers.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 10:36:50 AM
Any hot takes for the game tonight, or picks to win? 

It's really hard to imagine the Warriors losing 3 in a row to close out Roaracle (is that how you'd spell it?) Center. And yet I expect the Raptors to bounce back from a mostly sub-par game and play much better. Tough call...

I'll say that Toronto closes out the series tonight with a tough-fought win. Partly because I'm terrified of a reinvigorated Warriors team coming back to Toronto for game 7, knowing they are one win away from a historic championship moment. Partly because I think the Raptors let the last game slip away and will come in more focused this time around.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 13, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
I'm hoping the Splash Bros put up one helluva show for the last outing at Oracle
but that's for nothing if the bench doesn't show up.

Dray has to be on point, Iggy gotta be productive, Livvy needs to hit his short shots, and Cousins NEEDS to Shaq on fools.
If Boogie can find some way to BEAST in the paint and stop flopping and not hopping to flail the ball looking for a foul instead of a guaranteed basket, he will draw fouls and help defender. This will open things of for quick touch passes to an open Steph or Klay running around the court.

I think this will be a good one, but the Warriors will have a breakout quarter and seal up Oracle with one last win in the building.

the ghost of KD's Achilles will haunt Toronto for the remainder of this series. That will be the Karmic Kurse of the fan response from the KD injury last game. Toronto will have to make a sacrifice to tip the Karmic scales back to even.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 01:36:00 PM
...
the ghost of KD's Achilles will haunt Toronto for the remainder of this series. That will be the Karmic Kurse of the fan response from the KD injury last game. Toronto will have to make a sacrifice to tip the Karmic scales back to even.

Can we sacrifice some of the rich, faux fans who know jack-all about basketball but spend thousands on tickets while the heart-and-soul of fandom stands outside (or watches the game from home, since the Joe Blo bandwagoners have made even standing outside in Jurassic Park impossible)?  I mean, they were the fools who didn't understand what a non-contact injury like that meant and were making our whole country look bad.

(It's like this for the Warriors too, isn't it?  That's what I assumed after game 4 when all the "fans" were streaming to the exits down 9 points with about 2 minutes left... despite having a couple of the best shooters EVER on the floor. I mean, the Splash Bros were in almost the same situation for game 5 and proceeded to hit 3 very wet triples to win the game. Have these people never seen Reggie kill the Knicks?)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 01:44:08 PM
The Oracle die-hards have long since been priced out. Anyone who goes to the games now is basically just chasing trends and looking to be seen rather actually going to see a game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 08:39:14 PM
I feel like Steph and Klay are going to go all out and score but it won't be enough for the Raptors balanced scoring.  Raptors win by 10.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 10:17:13 PM
At the half it is 60-57 Raptors and the Raptors are shooting the 3 more efficiently than game 5 and that is keeping them in it. Lowry is the leading scorer with Klay just behind him with 18.  The second half is going to be interesting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
Lowry looks pissed off about having his shot blocked in game 5.
Klay is just amazing.

What a game so far!  Not a defensive showcase, but both teams are just flying.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 10:53:48 PM
OH FOR ****'S SAKE
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 10:54:35 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8_WsyoXsAE1uiD?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 10:56:19 PM
I hope Thompson is ok. When he landed, that knee didn't look right.

Great game, good reffing (I think GS has benefited from some 50/50 calls falling their way, but it's been pretty good), and just fantastic play from both sides. Don't want anyone to get injured.

...
How the heck did he get back out on the court? I'm kind of shocked.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 10:57:59 PM
I CAN'T.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: nickmitch on June 13, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
Hopefully it's just another one of those classic NBA Playoff Pooping Emergencies and nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:06:18 PM
This third quarter is wow. Back and forth and lots of hard hits and everyone is feeling it. Klay going back to the locker room.

Klay got fouled and even though he got hurt he had to shoot those free throws or else he would of been prevented from coming back into the game. That is why Boogie fouled on the next play to get Klay out and have a look see.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:09:23 PM
Warriors are starting the 4th quarter with Dray, Boogie, Livingston, Q Cook and Jerebko.

Deep breaths.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:10:33 PM
Klay is out for the game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:12:22 PM
I would argue that it was never about the free throws. Once Klay felt he could walk out under his own power he wanted to do it to give the crowd a lift and hopefully spark his team one last time.

It's fairly easy to see he was done for the night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:14:03 PM
No it is an actual rule that you have to shoot the free throws no matter what even if you are injured on the play to have a chance to return.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:17:52 PM
Klay didn't shoot the free throws because he wanted to be eligible to return to the game in the 4th. He shot the free throws because he knew the crowd would lose it once they saw him walk out to the court under his own power.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 11:20:50 PM
Klay didn't shoot the free throws because he wanted to be eligible to return to the game in the 4th. He shot the free throws because he knew the crowd would lose it once they saw him walk out to the court under his own power.

Tend to agree... although I bet that Klay would have stayed in the game as long as they would let him, injured or not.  He's way tougher than people give him credit for.

Seriously hope the guy is ok. Far and away my favorite player from Golden State, and he was absolutely lighting it up tonight.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
It appear a Warriors assistant went back to the hallway to remind Klay of the rule. So I stand corrected.

I still think given the current scrutiny with the Warriors training staff there was no way Klay was ever going to play. So his return was mostly for the (important) symbolic gesture of seeing him pull a Willis Reed.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:28:30 PM
I hope Klay is okay too.   I will give the Warriors this. They are banged up and injured but they are still in the game and fighting for their lives. 

I do have to say that VanVleet has been amazing off the bench.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:35:44 PM
109-108    37.1 seconds left  Raptors ball. Probably the best option is to go for a two for 1 play.  I say go to Leonard or Lowry.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on June 13, 2019, 11:46:03 PM
Well done, Raptors. Congratulations unseating the most OP team in the league, injuries aside.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/b9aScKLxdv0Y0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 11:46:57 PM
With .9 seconds left, this is ridiculous. The Raps won, let them enjoy it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: broodwars on June 13, 2019, 11:48:45 PM
With .9 seconds left, this is ridiculous. The Raps won, let them enjoy it.

Is there still game going on? NBA.com's play by play called the game over.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs?!!?
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:49:57 PM
I knew this moment would happen but I can't believe it sucks so much, specially with the injury to Klay. Congrats to the Raptors on not utterly blowing it.

Also I hope Pusha drops that diss on Drake right now. **** that guy.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: ejamer on June 13, 2019, 11:50:39 PM
With .9 seconds left, this is ridiculous. The Raps won, let them enjoy it.

Is there still game going on? NBA.com's play by play called the game over.

They said there was a foul on the inbounds play, put time back on the clock and made them shoot (totally pointless) extra free throws.  Refs made a few mistakes both ways, but that was the only call I really think was DUMB.


I knew this moment would happen but I can't believe it sucks so much, specially with the injury to Klay. ...

Until the injury, this game was epic.  It was still pretty awesome for Raptors fans, but that really took the shine off.  Amazing season for the Raptors though, and they (mostly) peaked at the right time playing great ball against Bucks and Warriors.

Can we change the thread title now?  (Oh - it's already done, er, ah, sort of..? ;)  )
Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs?!!?
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 13, 2019, 11:53:35 PM
Basically with the inbounds play from Lowry to Leonard there was a foul by Iggy so the clock didn't start up and then Leonard sank the free throws to go up 4 to make it totally out of reach. Then the Warriors inbounded it time expired and the Raptors won it Broodwars.     

Title: Re: The NBA Thread: Congrats to the Warriors on winning the 2018-19 NBA Finals
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:55:35 PM
Can we change the thread title now?  (Oh - it's already done, er, ah, sort of..? ;)  )

It's my final act of defiance. Let me grieve for a night.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 13, 2019, 11:58:55 PM
Patrick McCaw is the new and improved Norris Cole.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 12:01:38 AM
Fantastic play from Iggy and VanVleet tonight.
Thompson was the best player on the floor, and led all scorers despite leaving early.
Leonard wasn't actually great... but Lowry was amazing.  Plus/minus is a messy stat... but he was +16 in his 41 minutes and Raptors were -12 in the 7 minutes he sat. What redemption for not getting his shot off last game.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 12:08:13 AM
I think Lowry started off the game great and it was very 3 point focused and I knew when they got it going from 3 that early they would have a chance to win it.   I think Lowry plays to what the team needs which is why he may not score a lot of points in some games because he is focusing on other things like defense, assists, rebounds and taking charges.   

Leonard was being swarmed by the Warriors so he had to get his points where he could while passing out of the double teams.     VanVleet was amazing off the bench defensively on Curry and in clutch last second shot clock shots.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 12:09:51 AM
5 years.

Thank you Steph, Klay, Draymond, KD, Iggy, Shaun Livingston, Harrison Barnes, Mo Speights, Holiday, B-Rush, JMM, David Lee, Bogey, Festus, Kuzmic, Ian Clark, Pat McCaw, Matt Barnes, Kevon Looney, David West, Damian Jones, JaVale McGee, Zaza, Q Cook, Swaggy P, Chris Boucher, Jordan Bell, Varejao, Jacob Evans, Damion Lee, Marcus Derrickson, Boogie, Jonas and Alfonzo.

I just named a bunch of dudes.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 12:19:29 AM
Hubie I love you but what the ****?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8_p58AUYAA_321?format=jpg&name=large)

Shaun is "seriously considering" retirement, but could "possibly" play next season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 12:21:35 AM
...
Leonard was being swarmed by the Warriors so he had to get his points where he could while passing out of the double teams.   ...

Yeah, I should couch my "not great" statement.
He wasn't great compared to the lofty expectations that have been built up for him - but he worked hard all game, created opportunities for his teammates, and totally deserves the Finals MVP. You could tell that Golden State paid a huge amount of attention to him all series.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 12:23:57 AM
Hubie I love you but what the ****?
...

That's a "we all know he won't win, but take a second and check out what this guy has accomplished" attention grabbing vote.  FVV was pretty fantastic throughout the series; stepped up consistently when needed, and was a huge part of their wins.

Kawhi was indisputably the most important Raptors player though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/1139388320016822274?s=20

Luongo is a damn legend.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2019, 01:48:44 AM
First of all....

The Injury Bug bit us this year. One of the reasons why it hard to repeat, much less threepeat.
Boogie with the thigh muscle
Curry with the finger still taped (previous dislocation)
Durant with the "calf"
Iggy with the hamstring
and then Klay with the hammy (thanks to a slick uncalled body check foul by Danny Green)
and then Looney with the chest/shoulder cartilage (Kawhi rcoked him with the lowered shoulder)
and then Durant again but with the Achilles
and then Klay again with knee.... (once again thanks to a body check foul by Danny Green)
(edit: turns out all that jumping and running around after the fact became a torn ACL..... smfh)
**honorary mention to Boogie being a liability for the majority of his playoff return**

and yet we still somehow we managed to rally 2 wins against a very hungry and deep Raptors.

BUT..... and this is a HUGE BUT....

We were robbed of a point from the 1st quarter and they never corrected it.
Draymond hit a 3, they ruled it a 2, and no one ever corrected it. I was bitching about it the whole game, I even tweeted @ the Warriors to ask for a review and get it corrected because I knew... I FUCKING KNEW it was going to come back to haunt us.

(https://i.imgur.com/0ZDlJ1e.png)
*and I never use twitter.....*

(https://i.imgur.com/LahbBGn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BCLBXIC.jpg)

and the game should have ended regulation as a tie (yes I know had we had 1 more point, different decisions could have been made in shot selections throughout the rest of the game, but we never got the point, so all I can go on is the final score).

I don't know what 5 minutes of OT would've done, but Curry can sometimes be a beast in OT. We were ROBBED on a single point, and that point made a difference. We still had plenty of chances to win the game, and ultimately failed, but that doesn't take away the fact that we were robbed of a single point that decided the outcome of a game. What's even worse, is that it was obvious, it was even replayed and called out by the announcer (after i yelled at the TV first >:( ) and still no one bothered to correct it.


Can't be taken back now, but this just might've got to game 7 where we would have likely lost, especially if Klay was not playing.

EDIT: found a video of someone doing what I wanted to do in the moment but couldn't.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/c0e9to/warriors_shorted_1pt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

The win is now tainted with an *
p.s. not the championship, but just this game 6 win (I still think Toronto was gonna win in game 7 with all our injuries - no way Curry could do it by himself)

3peat just wasn't meant to be.... maybe we can run it back to the finals again next year, especially since the Rockets decided to implode for no good reason. LOL
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 02:27:35 AM
Had Golden State won tonight my bet would have been:

Warriors either win Game 7 by 40 points or they lose it by 40 points.

The way the series had gone so far it was only fitting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 02:39:05 AM
BnM Dreymond had a tip in when the ball was in the cylinder still and that counted when it shouldn't of.  Add the one point for that earlier 3 and subtract the 2 points from the cylinder and the Raptors still win.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 02:42:14 AM
...

Some calls were missed, and some bad calls made, both ways during every game this series. It doesn't matter, Raptors won in 6 and except for two quarters were pretty much dominant.

The only asterisk that can be applied is because Klay got injured on a tough (but totally legit) challenge at the rim. Injuries happen, and you can only play who is left on the floor... but that injury could have been the tipping point in a very close and exciting game. I blame bad Karma for what Zaza did a couple years back.

Truly hope that Klay is able to recover fully and come back just as good as before the injury!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2019, 02:59:33 AM
My guess is that with Durant having a torn Achilles, he takes his player option and sits out a season (unless another team is willing to Max him and let him sit the first year......)

and Klay signs his Max deal, rest/rehab till after the All-Star break.

Meanwhile, Curry, Dray, Iggy, and Looney gotta ball out all season just to make the bottom half of the Playoff seeding.
Real chance for McKinney and Cook to find their place on the team.
I assume they let Boogie walk. Not even an offer of extension or re-signing. Just thank him for the "effort" and leave him standing out front Oracle while everyone else's **** gets moved to SF.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2019, 03:51:30 AM
BnM Dreymond had a tip in when the ball was in the cylinder still and that counted when it shouldn't of.  Add the one point for that earlier 3 and subtract the 2 points from the cylinder and the Raptors still win.
I ain't even mad.... Disappointed, but not mad. Disappointed not only that we lost, but we lost the last 3 games ever in Oracle. And allowed a first time Finals appearance to celebrate their first time Chip in our locker room.

Threepeats hardly ever happen for exactly this reason. five finals runs in a row. 3 rings, 2 of them back to back. We've had a good run so far.... it may not be over yet.

Kawhi looks set to bounce from Toronto, so we'll see if they are able to run it back next year.

We may not have KD (anymore) and no Klay for most of the year, but we'll just have to figure out how to adjust... (with no cap space. LOL)

Our luck simply ran out this year, and Curry really couldn't carry the load himself, but he just simply had his break out game on the wrong night.... VanVleet really kept him in check, and hardly ever let him get the space to even take a shot. I can see why he got the lone FMVP vote, because that effort had to be recognized.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 05:19:18 AM
BnM Dreymond had a tip in when the ball was in the cylinder still and that counted when it shouldn't of.  Add the one point for that earlier 3 and subtract the 2 points from the cylinder and the Raptors still win.
I ain't even mad.... Disappointed, but not mad. Disappointed not only that we lost, but we lost the last 3 games ever in Oracle. And allowed a first time Finals appearance to celebrate their first time Chip in our locker room.

Threepeats hardly ever happen for exactly this reason. five finals runs in a row. 3 rings, 2 of them back to back. We've had a good run so far.... it may not be over yet.

Kawhi looks set to bounce from Toronto, so we'll see if they are able to run it back next year.

We may not have KD (anymore) and no Klay for most of the year, but we'll just have to figure out how to adjust... (with no cap space. LOL)

Our luck simply ran out this year, and Curry really couldn't carry the load himself, but he just simply had his break out game on the wrong night.... VanVleet really kept him in check, and hardly ever let him get the space to even take a shot. I can see why he got the lone FMVP vote, because that effort had to be recognized.
Emotionally I can see how it is draining for a fan to have all that history in one arena and to not be able to enjoy the last moments in its history.   I still remember the night when the Spurs closed down the Lakers for the last moments of the Great Western Forum in the playoffs.

As to what the Warriors do well if they happen to resign Klay and Durant then both of them are going to be out a season since they both have ACL tears so give the youngsters on the team to develop with Steph and Draymond. Get Cook, McKennie and Bell more time to develop so they can add to the depth. With your two picks with the 28th and 58th pick maybe get one international player and have them develop over seas that year and when Klay and Durant come back that player can help right away and with the other a need like a power forward because behind Green it is kinda limited.   Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 14, 2019, 05:53:18 AM

BUT..... and this is a HUGE BUT....

We were robbed of a point from the 1st quarter and they never corrected it.
Draymond hit a 3, they ruled it a 2, and no one ever corrected it. I was bitching about it the whole game, I even tweeted @ the Warriors to ask for a review and get it corrected because I knew... I FUCKING KNEW it was going to come back to haunt us.

Welcome to what it was like being a Jazz fan in 1997 and 1998.  ;)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 08:31:46 AM
Golden State is in a tough spot regarding roster choices.

They should definitely sign Klay to whatever he wants. Dude is an amazing player and total competitor.

But Iggy is showing his age, despite an incredible final game. He's a luxury for a championship team, but would the Warriors be better off moving to some young blood? Same goes for Livingston and Bogut.

Does Boogie stay or go? You have to feel like he'll want a bigger contract, and Warriors don't have much space available.

Durant is also a big question mark. I feel like he'd be better off (from a "legacy" standpoint) going somewhere else and winning, and there are definitely hungry teams that would sign him to a 4 year max knowing he'll sit out the first year - he's worth that without question.  But this was a lousy way to end his time with the Warriors... so maybe that will convince him to come back for one last run?

I feel like Golden State will have some really tough choices to make this off-season as they retool around the edges and try to get another couple deep runs with this core. The trick is how they do it, with no cap space to work with.

...
Kawhi looks set to bounce from Toronto, so we'll see if they are able to run it back next year.
...

Is there any evidence of this, other than competing teams desperately hoping it to be true?
I mean, Toronto can offer the most money, took really good care of him all year, and just won the finals.

Sounds pretty salty to throw this out immediately after your team loses, when nobody seems to have any idea of what he's going to do. Home is where the heart is, but my guess would have been that he signs a one-and-done contract, or maybe a 2-year with player option on the second, to see if they get another championship.

Either way, I wonder if Durant looks at how Kawhi has suddenly become a legend in Canada and thinks bout what impact he would have in New York (or a similar big market that hasn't won for a long time).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
Also, two brief shout-outs:

First for the Oracle crowd. They were loud and proud, and even after the loss broke out into a Warriors chant to support their team.  After game 4 when people were silent and leaving earlier at game end, this was way better.

Second for the final play call by Golden State. What a great set play to get a shot for Curry. It worked extremely well, he had a fantastic look. The results weren't what they wanted, but what a great play call!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ShyGuy on June 14, 2019, 09:17:00 AM
Bring Lebron back to the championship next year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 10:28:53 AM
Bring Lebron back to the championship next year.

That is the hope for the Lakers. Lakers are in talks with the Pelicans already for an AD trade. Lonzo, Ingram and the 4th pick for AD is what is being proposed. David Griffin wants to get the trade done before the NBA draft to shop around that 4th pick for an All-Star.  Maybe a 3rd team gets into the trade to help with other players and a possible player in return.  Maybe Phoenix or Washington for the 2rd team in the deal.   We shall see.

No idea what happens with Kawai but I think he deserves to enjoy the championship and Finals MVP for a few days before talking about free agency.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 10:58:06 AM
Durant is going to opt in and rehab on Warriors dime. He won us 2 championships he can do that.

I would totally still give Klay the max no questions asked.

Iggy, Dray and Livingston are all signed through the end of 2020. Iggy and Shaun stand to earn 24 million between them next year so it's probably in management's best interest they retire or move on. Normally I would be against that out of loyalty to these dudes but the current injury situation gives them an out. I just don't know who would want Iggy at 17 million, even in his final year.

Bell and Quinn Cook are RFA's. Bell probably stays but I can see a few times making Cook a good offer.

McKinnie is safe for one more year(not fully guaranteed), same with Damian Jones who is making 1st rounder money unfortunately. Jakob Evans has 2 team options and I can see them at least picking up the first one.

Everyone else is unrestricted. They'll let Boogie walk but Looney is the big question mark. It looks like the team finally has a decent enough center to anchor this team so you kinda can't let him walk.

Next year looks very rough if Iggy and Shaun don't get moved/retire.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 11:01:29 AM
Durant is going to opt in and rehab on Warriors dime. He won us 2 championships he can do that.
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Is this a sure thing?  It's definitely an option, but I thought opting out would get him a raise, whether he signs a 2-year deal to have a final run with GS or goes elsewhere for a longer contract.


Also, do people believe that the Lakers will actually get a big free agent signing to pair with James?  Somehow I'm skeptical. That franchise is just such a mess right now. It feels kind of like Boston in how they had a bunch of young assets but didn't make the right bets and might end up watching a huge opportunity fade away...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 12:03:13 PM
Is this a sure thing?  It's definitely an option, but I thought opting out would get him a raise, whether he signs a 2-year deal to have a final run with GS or goes elsewhere for a longer contract.

I'm just assuming that's a real option if the market isn't there for him this year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2019, 12:32:42 PM
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Kawhi looks set to bounce from Toronto, so we'll see if they are able to run it back next year.
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Is there any evidence of this, other than competing teams desperately hoping it to be true?
I mean, Toronto can offer the most money, took really good care of him all year, and just won the finals.

Sounds pretty salty to throw this out immediately after your team loses, when nobody seems to have any idea of what he's going to do. Home is where the heart is, but my guess would have been that he signs a one-and-done contract, or maybe a 2-year with player option on the second, to see if they get another championship.

Based on recent tweets his close confidants and fam, his non-committal status, and the reactions to a deleted tweet from last night from a Kawhi tweet (I didn't see the actual tweet before it was deleted) it just seems like Kawhi kinda had his heart set on something else.
We'll see over the next few months how a statue resurrected in his honor and endless streams of Toronto men and women throwing themselves down as sacrificial lambs for Kawhi's personal pleasure will change his mind, but he seemed less than enthusiastic about immediately running it back next year, regardless of what happened in the finals this year. that was before and after winning.

Durant is going to opt in and rehab on Warriors dime. He won us 2 championships he can do that.

I would totally still give Klay the max no questions asked.

Iggy, Dray and Livingston are all signed through the end of 2020. Iggy and Shaun stand to earn 24 million between them next year so it's probably in management's best interest they retire or move on. Normally I would be against that out of loyalty to these dudes but the current injury situation gives them an out. I just don't know who would want Iggy at 17 million, even in his final year.

Bell and Quinn Cook are RFA's. Bell probably stays but I can see a few times making Cook a good offer.

McKinnie is safe for one more year(not fully guaranteed), same with Damian Jones who is making 1st rounder money unfortunately. Jakob Evans has 2 team options and I can see them at least picking up the first one.

Everyone else is unrestricted. They'll let Boogie walk but Looney is the big question mark. It looks like the team finally has a decent enough center to anchor this team so you kinda can't let him walk.

Next year looks very rough if Iggy and Shaun don't get moved/retire.

Durant - stays.
Klay - Maxxed

Curry - gunning for 3rd MVP season
Dray - aiming for DPOY and that last SuperMAXX slot next year
Iggy - keep - 6th man position
Looney - re-sign
McKinnie, takes Klay's slot for the 1st half of the season.

Livingston - retire, join team as player development coach or something



Cook.... we still need a back up PG, gotta try to keep him

Damian Jones, Looney needs a back up
Bell, if he's cheap, I say keep him for 1 more year

Cousins.... let him walk, unless he makes massive improvements on movement and lift over the summer, I say let him take a mid-level contract w/ some other team and regret not taking the Pels offer last year (or being the difference in securing 2 less Warrior losses... however he wishes to look at it).

Bogut is headed back to Australia, and he won't be back unless we look like we in a path to a Championship.

Everyone else.... shuffle them out, pad end of bench, drop back to G League
don't really care. Jerebko, might be ok to keep, but we gonna need some established experienced talent to help out our depleted starting 6 (not even sure who to put in that 5th starting lineup yet - I guess we'll have to wait and see who Draymond called from the parkinglot this year)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2019, 01:02:01 PM
Klay deserves the max, hands down.  He had 30 in that game when Steph was just not getting it done.

That game was really good, but I could see how it might've been rough to watch as a Warriors fan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 01:52:07 PM
Hahaha... Ujiri "fighting a cop" after the game.

(Lots of gross exaggeration here. Ujiri tried to get on the court post-game with his team, a overly zealous sheriff's deputy pushed him back because no ID was immediately visible, Ujiri pushed the cop in response after being shoved and his arm supposedly slid up as that happened resulting in a "strike to the face" of the officer. Then a whole bunch of more level-headed bystanders jumped in between them while security members and Kyle Lowry brought Ujiri onto the court.)

If you ask me, the cop is lucky they were separated peacefully. He might have won that "fight", but a take down of a multi-millionaire team president post game wouldn't have been a good look for anyone and probably would have resulted in a embarrassing lawsuit.

Of course, they want to press charges for battery of an officer anyway and say the only reason they didn't arrest him last night is because it was a "special moment for the team"... Interested to see how this goes. Up here, cops in the US have a pretty bad reputation for being unfair and unreasonable. Seeing petty garbage like this doesn't help.

**** Brooklyn, and **** the Police!
(Don't really do that. But it seems like an appropriate and funny ending here...)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 03:40:31 PM
Durant is going to opt in and rehab on Warriors dime. He won us 2 championships he can do that.
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Also, do people believe that the Lakers will actually get a big free agent signing to pair with James?  Somehow I'm skeptical. That franchise is just such a mess right now. It feels kind of like Boston in how they had a bunch of young assets but didn't make the right bets and might end up watching a huge opportunity fade away...

If you are talking about the head coaching search and all that they have already found a head coach and several assistant coaches in Vogel, Hollins and Kidd respectfully.  Aside from the initial intances of this offseason with Magic and the initial head coach search the Lakers have been very smooth in selecting the right parts for the front office and the recent AD negotionations have not been like the trade deadline back in Feb. Controlled and managed and I think that since the Pels have jettisoned Demps from the front office they are going to get what they need for Davis and it should be fair for all parties.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2019, 06:23:33 PM
I was dying last night so I didn’t watch the game. I’ll watch highlights or something.

I missed most of the discussion here so here are some thoughts:

1. I don’t think any team would have beaten the Warriors at full strength. However, I’m not fond of the excuse that if player X or Y were available/healthy, team Z would have won. It’s such a silly hypothetical. The Raptors capitalized on a favorable situation and won a series they had every right to win.

2. I believe Kawhi Leonard leaves the Raptors. He should get a free pass in Canada for life so when he returns as an opponent, he shouldn’t get booed. Then again, Raptors fans cheered when Kevin Durant went down so 🤷‍♀️

3. I’m a little disappointed that DeMarcus Cousins didn’t get his championship ring this year. Even Nick Young got one last year. Cousins had no business playing in this series with an exploded quad. He wasn’t great, but he toughed it out even though I’m on the side that people generally shouldn’t play injured. For these guys, ball is life so unless management or the coaching staff refuses to let them on the court, they’re going to want to play.

4. I read on Bleacher Report the Lakers are apparently the betting favorites to win the title next year. You guys know I’m a Lakers fan so believe me when I say the following reaction is genuine:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GTFO

The Lakers would need to trade for Anthony Davis, somehow keep either Brandon Ingram or Lonzo Ball, AND sign Kawhi Leonard, and even then, maybe.

5. The Warriors should offer Kevin Durant the five-year max. I don’t think he should take it. Some team will offer him the four-year max. Either take that this summer, or opt into the second year of his current deal, rehab on The Warriors dime, then **** off next summer because some team will offer him the max because torn Achilles or not, he’s still Kevin Durant.

6. Klay Thompson better be offered the max. *shakes fist in Oakland’s San Francisco’s direction*

7. If Draymond Green stays in shape and doesn’t have to lose 25 lbs in a month (which super unhealthy, don’t do that) to be effective in May, he should be offered the max.

8. Masai Ujiri struck a cop. Yikes. In almost any other situation in this asinine country, a black man hitting cop has a high chance of ending with a dead black man. An unfortunate situation. Ultimately, Ujiri probably doesn’t get charged with anything, but that could have gotten much uglier.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 14, 2019, 07:16:09 PM
In regards to the betting line for the Lakers that is just there are lots of Laker fans betting on them and hoping for a finals win and not necessarily who is going to win it all this coming season.


In regards to the Durant/Toronto fans topic. https://youtu.be/SLuB3OQrL-Q?t=95   
My thinking is what both Tracy and Brian are saying.  Ya know sometimes you get caught up in the moment and react in a way that you reflect on later. With Brian and what he is saying I guess there was already a group of people that were against Durant ya know booing and the like before the game so they were going to react that way anyway. Not saying it is okay just don't let a section of people dictate an entire country. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 14, 2019, 07:36:14 PM
8. Masai Ujiri struck a cop. Yikes. In almost any other situation in this asinine country, a black man hitting cop has a high chance of ending with a dead black man. An unfortunate situation. Ultimately, Ujiri probably doesn’t get charged with anything, but that could have gotten much uglier.

About that.

https://twitter.com/rgilliescanada/status/1139607219547320320

There's video of Ujiri as he walks out of the tunnel into the court with his credentials in hand. This entire episode is embarrassing.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2019, 07:47:50 PM
Not saying it is okay just don't let a section of people dictate an entire country.
I didn’t. I specifically called out Raptors fans for cheering Durant’s injury. I mentioned Leonard getting a free pass for life in Canada because this is not just Toronto’s first NBA title, it’s the entire country’s. Granted, the Grizzlies fucked off out of Canada almost 20 years ago...
About that.

https://twitter.com/rgilliescanada/status/1139607219547320320

There's video of Ujiri as he walks out of the tunnel into the court with his credentials in hand. This entire episode is embarrassing.
Keep being great, America.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 07:56:06 PM
Reliable information is still spotty... but (completely unsurprisingly) there is an eye witness account that offers conflicting information.

Source: https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/raptors-masai-ujiri-accused-assault-nba-final-1.5175577

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Warriors' fan refutes police account of incident
A Warriors fan says he did not see Ujiri strike the deputy in the face.

Greg Wiener, a 61-year-old season ticket holder, said he was standing next to the officer when the encounter occurred.

Wiener said the deputy didn't ask for any credentials before putting his hand on Ujiri's chest and pushing him. Wiener said Ujiri shoved him back before bystanders intervened.

Wiener says he was not interviewed by authorities.

Is it bad that I'm more inclined to believe this account than what the sheriff's office says?


Stay or go, Kawhi does have a free pass for life in Canada. I mean, he didn't win the title by himself and other key Raptors players will be in a similar position... but they wouldn't have won without his strength, tireless effort, and overall brilliance during the playoffs.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2019, 08:03:06 PM
Is it bad that I'm more inclined to believe this account than what the sheriff's office says?
No. That is the correct response.

Objectively speaking, who has more to gain by lying? A Warriors season ticket holder is defending the opposing team’s general manager. It’s encouraging that he was decent enough to speak up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2019, 09:07:06 PM
Police pretty much always lie when they get the first statement.  They know whatever they say will stick, despite whatever information comes out later.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2019, 10:14:09 PM
Well, word on the street is that The Warriors are offering Klay & Durant both 5yr MAX Deals.
It's expected that Klay will accept his, Durant.... not sure if he'll just opt in for one more year (to rehab on the Warriors dime), and then evaluate status next season, or opt out and either bounce to another teams 4yr Max, or take the Warriors 5yr Max deal.

Knicks were looking to offer Durant the 4yr Max, but they also plan on meeting with Kawhi as well.

also Masai Ujirii is also expected to take a meeting regarding a hefty payday to go manage the Wizards...?

It's gonna be a real interesting off season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2019, 11:05:51 PM
I'm sure there are plenty of teams who will offer KD the max.  I worry more about Cousins who might still get underpaid if Warriors don't keep him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 14, 2019, 11:20:37 PM
Have you seen what the Warriors books would look like after signing both Durant and Klay? They are thin outside the top few players now, but with Draymond coming up for a new contract soon too the roster balance could get even worse. One report looked at the numbers over 4 years with and without Durant; it ended being something like 600 million versus 1.6 billion... yep, $1B difference for a single player, and that player wouldn't even be on the court for the first year. (source (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/warriors-offseason-breakdown-how-kevin-durant-leaving-could-save-1-billion-why-demarcus-cousins-could-be-back/))  Not sure what the ROI is for winning, but luxury tax has never seemed so luxurious.

In all honesty, balancing the books and fielding a decent team looks like it could be very difficult for the Warriors brass over the next few years - despite the optimism from Warriors fans here that everyone will resign and the good times will continue to roll. Keeping three max players already creates a tough situation; keeping four simply hasn't happened yet.


As for Kawhi rumored to the Knicks... well, you can never believe rumors around the Knicks or Lakers. They are "getting major free agents wins" every year according to the rumors, but those very rarely seem to come true.  (I'm not saying Kawhi stays in Toronto; that's probably a coin filp at best. But going to the Knicks is the kind of crazy long shot that I wouldn't put any faith in until it happens.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 15, 2019, 06:43:35 PM
AD to the Lakers in exchange for Lonzo, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, this year's #4 pick and two future first round picks.

First Woj Bomb of the off-season.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1140023139142971392
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 15, 2019, 06:59:58 PM
Wow what a deal!!  I would of liked to of kept Hart as well to have a shooting guard but I guess since we are going into win now mode it had to be the case.  I guess we are going after Kyrie or Kemba because Rondo, Curuso, or Bongo isn't going to cut it at point guard. Maybe we deal with Brooklyn and sign DeAngelo Russell back since he is an All-Star as a last resort and spend the rest on shooters and defensive players. 
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 15, 2019, 07:08:20 PM
AD will play out the year and enter free agency next season so....good luck with that one year rental LA.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1140029550371303425?s=20
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 15, 2019, 07:10:32 PM
AD will play out the year and enter free agency next season so....good luck with that one year rental LA.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1140029550371303425?s=20

Except AD said that he would re sign with the Lakers since that is one of his preferred teams and hey 1 year rentals can work out. Look at the Raptors and Leonard.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 15, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
Looks like the Lakers are going after Kemba in free agency.  This makes the most sense although Kemba said he would talk with other teams before deciding on if he stays in Charlotte and if he stays he would take less than the super-max to help build around him.       https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1140026897801318400

Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
AD will play out the year and enter free agency next season so....good luck with that one year rental LA.
Maybe, maybe not. Sources: Lakers reach deal for Pelicans' Davis (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26981805/sources-lakers-reach-deal-pelicans-davis)
Quote from: Adrian Wojnarowski
Davis has long planned to sign a new contract with the Lakers once he becomes eligible for free agency in 2020, sources said.
Anyway, Lakers gave up more than I hoped they would, notably the picks which (after 2019) I'm guessing are 2020 and 2022. Since the deal can't be finalized until July 6, the Lakers will select for the Pelicans on draft night which frees up the 2020 pick from the Stepien Rule. I thought the Lakers could have stood their ground to only give up two picks: 2019 and 2020. I hope the Lakers at least managed some protection like they did with the Steve Nash and Dwight Howard trades.

Also interesting is if both teams wait until July 30 and Davis waves his trade bonus, the Lakers will have $32.5 million in cap space. As an eight year veteran, Kawhi Leonard's max contract is expected to be $32.7 million if he signs with another team (depending on the salary cap). Not saying he'll sign with the Lakers, but they'll make a run at him. According to ESPN's Brian Windhorst, LeBron James has started recruiting Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler to Lakers (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-lebron-james-has-started-recruiting-kawhi-leonard-and-jimmy-butler-to-lakers-report-says/).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 15, 2019, 09:19:23 PM
A few other things the Pels could do is ship the 4th pick out to some team that wants to move up for either a player or a few draft picks in this years draft like with Atlanta to fill out that center spot with like Bol Bol and Jaxson Hayes. They could also just slot in Randle at that center spot. Lots of options.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 15, 2019, 11:44:20 PM
Per ESPN’s Tim Bontemps, the future picks the Lakers are giving up are:

1. 2021 (top eight protected, unprotected in 2022)
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024
4. Unprotected swap in 2025

ESPN’s Bobby Marks suggested one of the pick swaps may be the Lakers “paying” the Pelicans to postpone the trade to July 30 so they can get that extra max slot.

The Lakers are betting on re-signing Anthony Davis for the rest of his career. Barring any catastrophic injuries, he would be the draw for free agents for the next eight to 10 years in addition to whoever they sign this summer. If the Lakers win even a single championship because of this trade, it’ll be well worth it because winning one is hard enough.

The Pelicans are betting the Lakers will be bad by then. The Lakers draft very well, but they're the only team that can get away with shipping out so many picks without devastating the entire franchise for too long. Granted, they were gutter trash for half a decade and got shafted by free agents during those summers. Then what? Superstar talent will always want to play in Los Angeles. The Lakers gave up a lot of picks and I don’t love it, but it’s defensible. The picks are more valuable to a small market team like the Pelicans even if the Lakers manage to sign a third superstar next month.

People are comparing this to the 2013 Nets trade. The Nets didn’t get an at worst top seven player. Personally, I place Davis fourth.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2019, 01:38:15 AM
Per ESPN’s Tim Bontemps, the future picks the Lakers are giving up are:

1. 2021 (top eight protected, unprotected in 2022)
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024
4. Unprotected swap in 2025

ESPN’s Bobby Marks suggested one of the pick swaps may be the Lakers “paying” the Pelicans to postpone the trade to July 30 so they can get that extra max slot.
According to Los Angeles Times’ Tania Ganguli, some corrections on the future picks the Lakers are giving up:

1. Reverse protection in 2021. The Pelicans get the pick only if it’s top eight only in 2021 otherwise unprotected in 2022
2. Unprotected swap in 2023
3. Unprotected pick in 2024 with right to defer in 2025

Only one swap, not two. Bontemps apparently misunderstood the pick situation in 2024/2025. That deferment is interesting. Basically, the Pelicans are betting the Lakers will be bad in 2022 yet gave themselves an in if the Lakers are bad in 2021. If Davis re-signs a full five year max next year and stays relatively healthy, those picks probably won’t be lottery bound. Still good assets to have. Some food for thought: Kawhi Leonard and Giannis Antetokounmpo we’re both picked 15th.

Hopefully, the Lakers will snag some solid rotation players in 2020 and (probably) 2021.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 16, 2019, 02:07:36 AM
Pelicans did good with getting all those picks.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 16, 2019, 09:40:58 AM
AD is amazing when healthy (but he's also often injured).
I feel like the Pelicans absolutely robbed the Lakers given how little leverage they actually had - Davis was leaving regardless. Two picks, two one swaps, and a few decent players isn't a bad haul all things considered. 

(Edit: Oh, it's only one swap?  That's not as good, but still seems like a decent trade when the end result was going to be inevitable.)

Suggesting that Kawhi goes there seems ridiculous based on everything he's said and done so far - just doesn't seem like a good fit for him from a positional/personality standpoint (although obviously the Lakers, like any team, would love to have him).  I still hope he signs a 1+1 w/player option contract in Toronto; that would push him to 10 years service and higher possible contracts, let him defend the championship he just won, and keep things stable for one more year in a franchise and city that will bend over backwards to support him. That said, everyone knows he misses being in LA and the Clippers could be a great fit for him.

Kemba is a much more interesting idea for the Lakers though... Seems like a great fit all around. I love the idea of Kemba, LeBron, and AD all on the same team as long as they stay injury free. You do start to worry about the number of touches to go around though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 16, 2019, 09:55:05 AM
Also Kemba just seems like he's better suited to properly take that 3rd fiddle role and get maximum use out of it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
AD is amazing when healthy (but he's also often injured).
I feel like the Pelicans absolutely robbed the Lakers given how little leverage they actually had - Davis was leaving regardless. Two picks, two one swaps, and a few decent players isn't a bad haul all things considered.
Robbed is a bit of an exaggeration. We won’t know who wins this trade until all the draft picks are made because none of the players the Lakers traded are as good as Anthony Davis. The last pick is some kid who is currently in middle school.

I think the trade is pretty even given where each franchise is with the edge given to the team that gets the best player in the trade. The Pelicans weren’t getting comparable talent value for Davis even if you combine all the assets. The amount of assets they received still means they did very well. The Lakers know they don’t need those draft picks if Davis is their centerpiece moving forward. I hate when players take a discount for billionaire owners, but we know they will to play with a superstar and for a chance to compete for a title. The Lakers gave up more than they probably needed to since there were no other offers close to what the Lakers had especially with the Celtics refusing to put Jayson Tatum on the table. Apparently, David Griffin wouldn’t even pick up the phone until the Lakers offered three picks. If the Lakers played hard ball, I think they could have kept Josh Hart and/or added any protection on the 2024/2025 draft pick. As stated above, the pick swap is supposedly a sweetener for the Pelicans to delay the trade and give up $4 million in cap space to the Lakers which at this point is more valuable to the Lakers than it is for the Pelicans.
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Suggesting that Kawhi goes there seems ridiculous based on everything he's said and done so far - just doesn't seem like a good fit for him from a positional/personality standpoint (although obviously the Lakers, like any team, would love to have him).  I still hope he signs a 1+1 w/player option contract in Toronto; that would push him to 10 years service and higher possible contracts, let him defend the championship he just won, and keep things stable for one more year in a franchise and city that will bend over backwards to support him. That said, everyone knows he misses being in LA and the Clippers could be a great fit for him.
Kawhi Leonard is a mystery. No one knows what he’s thinking. I doubt money is a motivating factor because he’ll get paid anywhere and if he goes to Los Angeles, he’ll make back most if not all money left on the table just by being in a larger market and especially the Lakers because they’re the “glamor franchise.” Personality wise, joining the Lakers would create a strange dynamic. The media would give LeBron James the bulk of their attention yet after the Finals, they seemed to acknowledge Kawhi Leonard as the unquestioned best player in the league (with Kevin Durant tearing his Achilles). Does Leonard get what he wants? The praise without nearly as much attention?

Positionally, any team with that much talent would just make it work. James prefers playing the small forward but should play power forward/point forward. Davis prefers playing the power forward but should play center. All three are versatile enough to switch based on the situation. Joining a super team has its pros and cons. The Raptors claimed they weren’t afraid of the Warriors, but that was easy to say with Kevin Durant injured. At the same time, a super team is top heavy and as we just saw, injuries to one of those players can be devastating.

If the Lakers managed to sign one of Kawhi Leonard/Kyrie Irving/Kemba Walker etc. and LeBron James is honest with himself (chances are he isn’t), he should be the third option and be more of a facilitator during the season then unleash Playoff LeBron® in May. The problem especially last year is that he had to do so much on offense because he didn’t have much help on that end. For years, he’s been “resting” on defense. That’s harder to do without an elite defender like Kawhi Leonard also on the team. Regardless, I’d bet on the Lakers scheduling losses by resting both James and Davis on back-to-back games as well as random nights.

If a team can land Kawhi Leonard, they should and figure out the rest later. Personally, I’m leaning toward wanting the Lakers use their cap space on great rotation players to fill out the roster around James and Davis rather than chasing another superstar.
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Post by: ejamer on June 16, 2019, 03:49:08 PM
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Robbed is a bit of an exaggeration.

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Yeah, a pretty big exaggeration. But I did think the Lakers should have been able to get a slightly better deal.

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If a team can land Kawhi Leonard, they should and figure out the rest later. Personally, I’m leaning toward wanting the Lakers use their cap space on great rotation players to fill out the roster around James and Davis rather than chasing another superstar.

I tend to agree on both points here.  I just don't see it being a great situation for Kawhi compared to some of the other choices that will be available - of course, I don't really know what Kawhi wants, so that's just personal speculation.
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
But I did think the Lakers should have been able to get a slightly better deal.
It may even be worse. According to Woj and Bontemps, currently the plan is for the trade to go through on July 6 and for Anthony Davis to not decline his trade bonus. I have a feeling Davis will decline his bonus to help the team. More importantly, if the Lakers gave up all those assets and couldn’t even manage to get the Pelicans to bend on postponing the trade, it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the summer. Rob Pelinka basically got on his knees then (fill in the rest depending on how dirty you want to make that mental image). Worst case scenario, the Lakers are working with $23.7 million in cap space. Enough to get a few decent rotation guys but not a max contract.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 16, 2019, 07:39:30 PM
It could also mean that if the Lakers do manage to get a star to take up that cap space before that July 6th date then the Pels could have to wait till the 30th for the trade to go through on the 30th and Davis doesn't have to waive his trade kicker because the salary matches up for the picks and Lonzo, Ingram and Hart.  The Lakers could also pick whoever the Pels want in the draft and ship them over to them with the rest of the kids.  Another thing that could happen is that a third team comes in and gets that 4th pick and fills in the need and the space is taken care of.    Things could go either way.

Basically the deal hasn't gone through yet so some things could change.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 17, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
The population of Metro Toronto is about 3 million and I swear, every single one of them is crammed into the parade route. I did enough crowd dodging last week.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 18, 2019, 01:32:22 AM
It is looking like the Suns are shopping around T.J. Warren, Josh Jackson and the number 6 pick for a veteran point guard.  Also if the Suns manage to ship out Jackson and Warrens contracts that will free up enough cap space for D'Angello Russell. In regards to a vet point guard I could see Mike Conley or Daren Collison.
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Post by: Caliban on June 18, 2019, 02:16:20 AM
The population of Metro Toronto is about 3 million and I swear, every single one of them is crammed into the parade route. I did enough crowd dodging last week.

I wasn't anywhere within the vicinity of the parade or Nathan Philips Square, but it seems like you would have to do more than crowd dodging. I read there were some gunshots, and a few stampedes because of that.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 18, 2019, 03:19:32 AM
Here is about 20 minutes of highlights and speeches from the parade.   

Linky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fplFVh_iO0
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Post by: ejamer on June 19, 2019, 08:32:27 AM
Dang... listening to all the talking heads in the US try desperately to dismiss and demean the Raptors winning the championship this year is a drag.

Warriors underachieved all year long, had a ton of injuries all year long, and really didn't approach their peak during the playoffs (although when KD went down and they won... what, 6 games straight before coming up against the Raptors there was a very different narrative being built).

Raptors were a team that just continued to grind. They also dealt with a lot of injuries to key players during the year (and that's not counting time missed for "load management") yet they continually found a way to win in nearly every scenario - with or without Leonard in the regular season. They didn't quite peak in the playoffs, but came pretty close once they started winning vs the Bucks.

Injuries are a drag, but there is no asterisk. Raptors took on everyone in front of them, and never stopped fighting until the were the last team standing. They played tough, physical defense and were an absolute chameleon on both ends of the floor, throwing different looks at teams to match whatever situation they were thrust into. Nobody trusted them - to be fair, they've flamed out in the playoffs before I think you need to prove yourself before being trusted to win - and yet they just kept level heads from game to game, looking for that next advantage to leverage.

It's astounding to me that after making it happen, after grinding through every challenge and opponent, there is so little appreciation for a team that played together, trusted each other on the court, and reached the highest level of success. If I were on the Raptors and hearing the nonsense being spouted by American-focused media, I'd be taking it personally.

Did this happen when the Pistons won as underdogs in '04? Kawhi is a better individual talent than anyone they had... but it's the closest comparison I can think of in the past 20 years.  Maybe the Houston wins in the mid-90s when Olajuwon was dominating might be similar, doubly so if you consider Durant a Jordan equivalent (which I don't).
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
Despite all the posturing from Raptors players about how they weren’t afraid of the Warriors, they knew they probably don’t win if Klay Thompson and especially Kevin Durant were healthy. Doesn’t matter though. The Raptors won, and that’s what will be recorded in history books. Given all the Warriors injuries, the Raptors absolutely should have won. The narrative would have been devastating had the Raptors lost. They’d be the team that choked again even without LeBron in the East while Steph Curry willed a broken down team to victory. Don’t want that in the history books. Ultimately, the Raptors won a championship they had no business losing given the circumstances. The narrative isn’t glamorous, but it doesn’t have to be.

The Rockets won when Michael Jordan was in baseball exile because his gambling problem would have been bad for the league. I remember that. Still, history will always remember them as champions and especially the 1995 team that was the sixth seed. The 2004 Pistons took down prime Shaq and Kobe without a superstar of their own. I don’t think that’s comparable to the 2019 Raptors. Off the top of my head, the 2011 Mavericks are the only team that is comparable. Dirk Nowitzki and co faced three superstars, down 0-2, and still won.
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Post by: ejamer on June 19, 2019, 01:19:56 PM
... The 2004 Pistons took down prime Shaq and Kobe without a superstar of their own. I don’t think that’s comparable to the 2019 Raptors. ...

I always feel like people underrate the individual talents of that Pistons team. True, there is no single stand-out superstar on the squad. But what a perfect collection of complimentary skills.  And I see a lot of comparisons between the teams with Billups/Lowry, Prince/Siakam, R.Wallace/Gasol... it just happens that Leonard is a combination of B.Wallace's strength and defense with Hamilton's shooting efficiency. (Ok, maybe I'm stretching things a bit there...)

2011 Mavs are also a fine comparison.


It's a shame we didn't see both teams fully healthy, as that just would have been better ball.
Unlikely to happen, but I would love to see both teams roll out the same rosters (healthy this time) for a rematch next year. If Durant was playing, you have to figure that Warriors win. If not, I think it would be a heck of a series.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
I don’t think it’s possible to underrate the talent of the 2004 Pistons. They beat a super team. Full stop.

No way the Raptors beat the Warriors when healthy. Steph Curry got triple teamed. That isn’t happening with Kevin Durant on the floor.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 02:36:52 PM
Sources: Conley sent to Jazz for 3 players, picks (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27008482/sources-conley-sent-jazz-3-players-picks)

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The Memphis Grizzlies have traded guard Mike Conley to the Utah Jazz for Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver and Jae Crowder, the 23rd pick in Thursday's draft and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

The Jazz will send a protected 2020 first-round pick to the Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN. That pick will convey as a late lottery pick in 2020 or 2021, or become a lightly protected pick from 2022 to '24. The deal will be complete on July 6.
Broodwars, thoughts?
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Post by: ejamer on June 19, 2019, 03:31:26 PM
Must be more moves coming for the Jazz, right?
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2019, 03:35:10 PM
Sources: Conley sent to Jazz for 3 players, picks (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27008482/sources-conley-sent-jazz-3-players-picks)

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The Memphis Grizzlies have traded guard Mike Conley to the Utah Jazz for Grayson Allen, Kyle Korver and Jae Crowder, the 23rd pick in Thursday's draft and a future first-round pick, league sources told ESPN.

The Jazz will send a protected 2020 first-round pick to the Grizzlies, league sources told ESPN. That pick will convey as a late lottery pick in 2020 or 2021, or become a lightly protected pick from 2022 to '24. The deal will be complete on July 6.
Broodwars, thoughts?

It's a great trade. We were after Conley last year, but Memphis pulled the trade away. Korver's probably retiring, Grayson Allen was spotty in his rookie season. The only reason we'd trade Crowder is if we were going after a big free agent at his position, so yeah...the Jazz aren't done yet. We needed this
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 03:43:31 PM
I didn’t know enough about the Jazz to comment on whether it was a good trade. Nice that they got their guy. I like Donovan Mitchell so I want the Jazz to be more competitive.
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
I didn’t know enough about the Jazz to comment on whether it was a good trade. Nice that they got their guy. I like Donovan Mitchell so I want the Jazz to be more competitive.

Well, let me put it this way: in exchange for one of the better Point Guards in the league, the Jazz gave up...

- Kyle Korver, who was a total no-show in the playoffs and is probably going to retire before or immediately after next season.
- Grayson Allen, a rookie Point Guard so spotty the Jazz didn't even recall him from the G League when all their OTHER Point Guards were injured last season.
- Jae Crowder, an above-average SF.
- 2 late 1st round picks that probably never would have amounted to anything anyway.

Losing Crowder hurts since he WAS the one guy besides Mitchell who showed up in the playoffs, but otherwise the Jazz kind of got away with highway robbery, especially since we still have the cap space to sign a big name 3rd option.

I'm just amazed that Dante Exum lifeless body wasn't part of this trade. The management must have serious faith in him, because he has the health of Greg Oden.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 06:31:26 PM
- 2 late 1st round picks that probably never would have amounted to anything anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. As a Jazz fan, you especially shouldn’t be dunking on late first round picks. Rudy Gobert was the 27th pick.

The Jazz have done exceptionally well turning late first round picks into gold. They used the 24th pick and Trey Lyles to trade up for Donovan Mitchell. Mike Conley is probably worth the picks they’re giving up. Have to give something to get something. The Jazz know that better than most teams.
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Losing Crowder hurts since he WAS the one guy besides Mitchell who showed up in the playoffs, but otherwise the Jazz kind of got away with highway robbery, especially since we still have the cap space to sign a big name 3rd option.
I think both teams get what they want. The Grizzlies are doing exactly what they should be doing. They’re tanking rebuilding as well as they can despite the new lottery odds. Stocking up on draft picks because their 2020 pick is top six protected then unprotected in 2021 if it doesn’t convey in 2020 is a good move. The Grizzlies are also clearing cap space so they can absorb bad contracts in exchange for more assets should the opportunity present itself.
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I'm just amazed that Dante Exum lifeless body wasn't part of this trade. The management must have serious faith in him, because he has the health of Greg Oden.
Perhaps even the Grizzlies were like:
(https://i.imgur.com/R9dD4nT_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
- 2 late 1st round picks that probably never would have amounted to anything anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. As a Jazz fan, you especially shouldn’t be dunking on late first round picks. Rudy Gobert was the 27th pick.

The Jazz have done exceptionally well turning late first round picks into gold. They used the 24th pick and Trey Lyles to trade up for Donovan Mitchell. Mike Conley is probably worth the picks they’re giving up. Have to give something to get something. The Jazz know that better than most teams.

Yeah, I know. The Jazz have the best Front Office in the business when it comes to creating something from nothing, but oddly enough we tend to get more out of the 2nd round than we do the 1st. What usually happens with our 1st round picks is that unless they're just THAT amazing from the get-go, they tend to be shoveled off to the D/G League, and then they're never seen again until it's time for the trade deadline.

The Jazz, for better or worse, just don't have a history of actually using the players they draft in the 1st round, most infamously when Deron Williams (**** him) spent his entire rookie year on the bench because Jerry Sloan wanted him to study how the professionals played. That's why I indicated that the picks weren't very important. Unless the Jazz get a Top-10 pick, they tend to just not use them at all.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 07:50:53 PM
There’s talk of the Lakers possibly bringing back D’Angelo Russell. Don’t know if he goes for it, but I’d love to have him back. The Lakers can throw Magic Johnson under the bus and blame him for trading Russell to the Nets and/or pitch it as not trading him means no LeBron James which ultimately means no Anthony Davis.

Unless the Lakers can finagle Kawhi Leonard, full out the roster with non-max guys. **** it. Bring back a bunch of former Lakers. They may still have $32.5 million on July 6. Split cap space between Julius Randle and D’Angelo Russell. Sign Brook Lopez for the mid level exception. Bring in Trevor Ariza (former Laker AND Rob Pelinka client) and Pau Gasol on vet minimum deals. I want Gasol to retire a Laker and a champion like he rightly deserves.

As for the rest of the roster, bring back Alex Caruso, Reggie Bullock (not sure he takes the vet minimum), and Javale McGee. George Hill will probably sign for the vet minimum. That brings the total roster to 11. Per the Collective Bargaining Agreement, the minimum number players on a team is 13 (12 active, one inactive). I’m sure the Lakers will sign Carmelo Anthony because I have to be mad at something. Can they talk one of the Morris twins or JJ Reddick into taking the vet minimum for a chance to win a title this year? Sign a couple two-way players from the G-league and leave the two roster spots open for buyouts at the trade deadline.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 19, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
From what I have been reading about the AD trade the Pels are not likely to help out the Lakers with a delay of the trade or with moving pieces around so they may only have 23 million to 27 million depending on if Davis forgos the trade bonus.  The Lakers are also trying to shed the contracts of Wagner, Bongo and Jones in the trade to a third team to match ADs incoming contract.  So they may not even have enough for a max contract. I think D'Lo would want maybe 15 or 20 million a year to be the starting PG spot so that would take a good chunk of the cap space. Randle is coming off of the best season of his career so he may want to get paid.   

As far as roster construction it really depends on if AD is willing to play at the 5 or not. If he is then we just need a backup 5 and the backcourt because Kuzma is going to take the 4 and LeBron can go back to the 3. If he isn't and wants to play at his natural position of the 4 then I could see our 5s being Brook Lopez and McGee and or Dwayne Dedmond.      As for the back court Beverly and Collison are options as the point guard and I could see JJ Reddick being a solid 2 with Seth Curry as another option.   

I kinda think the Lakers should just use the cap space they have currently on filling out the roster and keeping Wagner, Bonga and Jones as 2nd and 3rd string options.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2019, 11:18:47 PM
From what I have been reading about the AD trade the Pels are not likely to help out the Lakers with a delay of the trade or with moving pieces around so they may only have 23 million to 27 million depending on if Davis forgos the trade bonus.  The Lakers are also trying to shed the contracts of Wagner, Bongo and Jones in the trade to a third team to match ADs incoming contract.  So they may not even have enough for a max contract.
My understanding is the Lakers can still open up cap space for a max contract, and they're trying to "just in case" Kawhi Leonard, Kyrie Irving etc. are interested. I don't think that's a good enough reason to "scramble" (as Woj put it) to clear Moe Wagner, Isaac Bonga, and Jemerrio Jones from the books. If free agent X agrees to sign, figure it out then. Jones is on a non-guarunteed contract so he can be waived. The Lakers would only need his salary for matching purposes.

If an extra $4 million helped the Lakers fill out the roster or convince a marque free agent to sign, Davis likely waives the trade bonus. Bleacher Report's Eric Pincus mentioned on a podcast that the trade bonus is mostly to dissuade teams from trading for a player if he doesn't want to go there. Except we all know Davis wanted to go to the Lakers, they gut the roster and surrendered future draft picks to get him, and the expectation is that he'll make it more difficult for the team to sign players?
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I kinda think the Lakers should just use the cap space they have currently on filling out the roster and keeping Wagner, Bonga and Jones as 2nd and 3rd string options.
Unfortunately, they're just on the wrong timeline. The Lakers are in win-now mode even though they'll likely re-sign Anthony Davis. They want to make the most of pairing James and Davis. The roster spots are for players who can contribute immediately. Bonga, for example, was always considered a project. That was before the Lakers traded everyone away for a top five player.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 19, 2019, 11:28:30 PM
Yeah, I don't see why people assume Davis wouldn't be open to waiving the trade bonus.  He wants to win now just as much as LeBron.  Taking a $4M discount shouldn't be an issue, unless he really doesn't trust Lakers management, which honestly he shouldn't.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 19, 2019, 11:56:08 PM
Just throwing this out there. Is there any reason to have max cap space but not spend it on a max player? Like maybe getting more players out of the max cap space before using the exceptions and vet min contracts?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 01:29:44 AM
So one more trade before the draft tomorrow.  Looks like the Pistons is sending John Leuer to the Bucks and the Bucks are sending Detroit the 30th pick and Tony Snell.   Snell should help the Pistons with shooting and the Bucks get 4 million to work with that they didn't have with Snell on the payroll.  So the Pisons now have the 15th and 30th picks for tomorrows draft.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141539554274500609
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Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2019, 01:32:25 AM
Just throwing this out there. Is there any reason to have max cap space but not spend it on a max player? Like maybe getting more players out of the max cap space before using the exceptions and vet min contracts?
Already acknowledged and discussed.

It’s always better to have cap flexibility, and I can see why any team would do their due diligence to get as much as possible. It’s just weird that the Lakers are apparently hell bent on freeing up cap space specifically for a max salary so they either have the inside track on a max-level player or they’re panicking for no reason. I’m leaning toward the latter because *broadly gestures to everything Lakers-related over the past six years*

Still, I don’t think the Lakers absolutely need cap space for a max contract because

1. They’re probably not getting a seven to nine year vet max level player like Kawhi Leonard or Kyrie Irving.

2. Even if a seven to nine year vet agreed to sign, I don’t think roughly $3.5 million this year is really a dealbreaker. The reason they’d sign isn’t strictly monetary. Get close enough and it’s probably fine. There are ways to work around the lack of a full max contract so player X eventually gets their money.

3. If the Lakers need to clear cap space, they can clear cap space. It isn’t as if Wagner or Bonga are valueless. It may cost a second round pick or cash considerations, but they have options.

Anyway, cap space specifically for a max salary isn’t that important; the flexibility certainly is though. In any case, the Lakers should have a decent amount of money to fill out the roster in one of the deepest free agent classes in years.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 02:14:10 AM
I was about to head to bed but this popped up on SS&R.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/20/18693250/2019-nba-draft-rumors-timberwolves-hawks-celtics-bulls-pursuing-4-pick-anthony-davis-trade-lakers

Timberwolves is trying to move up in the draft and get the 4th pick and join into a three team deal with the Lakers and Pels.

Question is what would the trade even be like for them to get involved and snag the 4 pick?

Edit: Now there is the Hawks, Cavs Celtics, and Bulls going after the number 4 pick. This is wild.
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Post by: Soren on June 20, 2019, 02:44:15 PM
The reason we don't yet know whether the AD trade will be completed July 6th or 30th is because Rob Pelinka is an idiot who is learning about the salary cap on the fly. The Lakers are getting played hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg1QvMImZPE
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Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
While the Lakers being incompetent is hardly surprising, Rob Pelinka not understanding the cap/CBA is.

Does anyone remember Carlos Boozer’s departure from the Cavaliers in 2004? He was due to earn $700,000 on an option year, well below his production at the time averaging a double-double in points/rebounds. There was apparently a gentleman’s agreement between the Cavaliers’ front office and Boozer/his agent. The Cavaliers chose not to pick up the option, allowing Boozer to become a restricted free agent. Instead of signing the Cavaliers’ six year, $41 million offer, he signed the Jazz’s six year, $68 million offer which the Cavaliers could not match. Boozer’s agent was Rob Pelinka. The agency was apparently so horrified by this they dropped Boozer as a client (which almost never happens) and Pelinka resigned. It’s believed he was forced out because he orchestrated the entire thing.

1. This is one of the reasons everyone hates Rob Pelinka.

2. Considering how good he was at getting his clients paid by doing shitbag stuff like the story above, I’m having a hard time believing Pelinka, of all people, didn’t know how the cap works.

3. Last year, the Lakers waited until September 1 to waive and stretch Luol Deng, notably after he gave money back. This allowed Deng’s contract to be stretched over three years instead of five and for under $5 million per year, allowing the Lakers to open up cap space for a 10-year vet max contract ($37.5 million). Again, I’m having a hard time believing Pelinka didn’t know how the cap works.

4. It’s more likely that Pelinka just wanted the Anthony Davis deal finished by any means necessary (i.e. he doesn’t get that done, fired immediately) and he’d figure out the rest later. Again, the Lakers still have a path to max salary cap space that doesn’t involve asking the Pelicans to wait until August 1. It’s shortsighted, sure. Not quite as incompetent as being a general manager who doesn’t understand the cap.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 05:45:25 PM
Looks like the Suns and Pacers have made a trade. Suns are sending TJ Warren and the 32nd pick to Indiana. Pacers will send cash to the Suns.  After the trade is complete on the 6th the Pacers will have 31 million(not including Bogdanovic hold) and the Suns will have 21 million(29.5 without the Oubre Jr).  So the Suns could go after D'Angello Russell.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1141820037466140673
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Post by: broodwars on June 20, 2019, 05:54:52 PM
While the Lakers being incompetent is hardly surprising, Rob Pelinka not understanding the cap/CBA is.

Does anyone remember Carlos Boozer’s departure from the Cavaliers in 2004? He was due to earn $700,000 on an option year, well below his production at the time averaging a double-double in points/rebounds. There was apparently a gentleman’s agreement between the Cavaliers’ front office and Boozer/his agent. The Cavaliers chose not to pick up the option, allowing Boozer to become a restricted free agent. Instead of signing the Cavaliers’ six year, $41 million offer, he signed the Jazz’s six year, $68 million offer which the Cavaliers could not match. Boozer’s agent was Rob Pelinka. The agency was apparently so horrified by this they dropped Boozer as a client (which almost never happens) and Pelinka resigned. It’s believed he was forced out because he orchestrated the entire thing.

1. This is one of the reasons everyone hates Rob Pelinka.

I wonder if he was Derek Fisher's agent, too, considering the "gentlemen's agreement" that the Jazz organization had with him. The Jazz released him from his contract so he could move to another city where his child could have better medical care, rather than having to be separated from them to play for the Jazz every few nights. Then Fisher turned right around and signed with the Lakers, causing Jazz fans to despise him.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 06:21:03 PM
Looks like Atlanta is getting New Orleans 4th pick for  8 ,17 and 35 picks.  So Atlanta has the 4 and 10 picks now.

Minnesota has traded the number 11 pick and Dario Saric to Phoenix for the number 6 pick.
I hope that Phoenix has a free agent picked out for point guard otherwise they may regret this trade.  They do get a position of need with the PF spot.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 20, 2019, 07:49:40 PM
Since BlacknMild is not here I'll pick up the slack.

Warriors bought the #41 pick from the Hawks for 1.7 million. GSW now have the 28,41 and 58 picks and hopefully we get one decent player from that because we are going to need it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 08:33:03 PM
Looks like the starting lineup for the Pels is going to be this. Lonzo, J. Holiday, Ingram, Zion and Jaxson Hayes. Very solid.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 20, 2019, 09:03:34 PM
So with Atlanta taking the 4 pick they take De'Andre Hunter and Cam Reddish at 10 the AD trade could be changing.    Atlanta could take on Bonga, Wagner and Jones and it could be beneficial to the Pels because they can get some extra cap space to go along with their starting lineup detailed below.
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/20/18693752/lakers-rumors-hawks-pelicans-anthony-davis-trade-max-cap-room-free-agency-agent-2019-nba-draft
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 20, 2019, 09:27:29 PM
Can't wait to see Mario Chalmers sign a minimum deal and get meaningful minutes for the Lakers next year.
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Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2019, 12:58:01 AM
So...remember what I said about the Jazz finding most of their success in the 2nd Round of the Draft? True to form, the Jazz got really aggressive this year in the 2nd round, drafting 3 guards to the "City of Utah" (including trading with Golden State for 1 pick):

- Miye Oni (Yale)
- Jarrell Brantley (Charleston)
- Justin Wright-Foreman (Hofstra)

I don't follow College Ball, so I have no idea if these 3 are any good or actually NBA-ready. I am just a little surprised that the Jazz were so guard-focused this year, especially after already trading for Conley. I suspect we're going to see some more trades out of the Jazz come the Free Agency period, because the Jazz haven't traditionally had much luck drafting guards (with the one notable exception where they drafted the Best Point Guard of All Time...and I'll fight you if you say otherwise.  ;) ).
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2019, 01:10:56 AM
I don't remember the Jazz drafting Steph Curry.... or Magic Johnson ;) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

but anyway, what did the Dubs trade for to give up that #58 pick?
was it cash? 2 more picks? a spare Achilles and an ACL, not to mention 2 ankles, 2 hamstrings, a quad and some chest cartilage?
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Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2019, 01:17:23 AM
but anyway, what did the Dubs trade for to give up that #58 pick?
was it cash? 2 more picks? a spare Achilles and an ACL, not to mention 2 ankles, 2 hamstrings, a quad and some chest cartilage?

I'm having trouble pinning down what the circumstances of the trade was, but the implication seems to be cash.

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2019/6/20/18700293/2019-nba-draft-warriors-sell-second-round-pick-jazz-yale-miye-oni (https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2019/6/20/18700293/2019-nba-draft-warriors-sell-second-round-pick-jazz-yale-miye-oni)

Cash also seems to be how they acquired that 2nd round pick of Indiana's that got them Jarrell Brantley.

And according to the Jazz's GM, they're going to be as aggressive as the fans have always wanted them to be come Free Agency. This should be an interesting off-season.  :D
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2019, 02:23:10 AM
So the Lakers bought a second round pick from the Magic and got Talen Horton-Tucker with the 46th pick. He is being described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position which was a need.   
Linky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7ccT3xSlV0
Here is a scouting report on him. https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2019/6/2/18646325/talen-horton-tucker-scouting-report-nba-draft-iowa-state-atlanta-hawks
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Post by: ejamer on June 21, 2019, 08:00:07 AM
... described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position ...

So a mix of Barkely and Leonard, and still available at the 46th pick? Huh...

*shakes head*
I love the excitement during the draft, but was thinking last night about how fruitless all these comparisons and knee-jerk grades/analysis are. Sometimes they get it right; usually it's a bunch of silliness. Looking back at 2016 where most pundits ripped the Raptors for selecting Pascal Siakam, and where VanVleet went undrafted, it feels like some of the analysts (and maybe even some of the scouts) are just as clueless as me about talent coming out of college.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2019, 09:27:38 AM
I wonder if he was Derek Fisher's agent, too, considering the "gentlemen's agreement" that the Jazz organization had with him.
I checked Pelinka’s Wikipedia page, and yes.

I typically side with players on these matters. Yes, even Boozer. It was hella shiesty but get paid. I just don’t feel bad for billionaire owners when it comes to money. You bought a professional sports team, and it’s going to cost you if you want to build a winner. The Cavaliers could have matched the Jazz’s offer except they didn’t want to pay the luxury tax.

As for Fisher, I won’t pretend I know where the best eye cancer facilities are in the country. I don’t think it’s a stretch that Los Angeles and New York have some of the best doctors in the country. He gave up $24 million over three years to sign with the Lakers as a role player under the 2007 salary cap. There aren’t a lot of things that could make me give up $24 million. “My daughter has cancer” would be one of them.
... described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position ...

So a mix of Barkely and Leonard, and still available at the 46th pick? Huh...

*shakes head*
Hold on. Let’s take a step back. BeautifulShy wasn’t commenting or implying skillset or talent.

“Charles Barkley’s shape” suggests to me Tucker needs to drop some weight. Barkley was a power forward and known as the “Round Mound of Rebound.” He was also 6’4” and purposely ballooned up to 300 lbs to dissuade the Sixers from drafting him because the salary cap limited what the Sixers could pay him (prime Barkley was roughly 250 lbs). Tucker is a shooting guard at 234 lbs. For comparisons’ sake, Kobe Bryant was 212 lbs at 6’6”. Kawhi Leonard is 229 lbs at 6’7” but primarily plays small forward.

“Kawhi Leonard’s hands” = Tucker also has freakishly large hands. That doesn’t say anything about how good his defense is.

This is one of many reasons I don’t like player comparisons. When someone exaggerates or re-contextualizes someone else’s words, the words don’t mean anything anymore.

Player comps = lazy analysis. They’re great for sound bytes but read like bad Spark Notes. If you’re not paying attention, every bald, black guy who jumps high is Michael Jordan. Looking at everyone who called Harold Miner “Baby Jordan.”
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Post by: ejamer on June 21, 2019, 10:06:26 AM
... described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position ...

So a mix of Barkely and Leonard, and still available at the 46th pick? Huh...

*shakes head*
Hold on. Let’s take a step back. ...
re-contextualizes someone else’s words, the words don’t mean anything anymore.
...

So first, I'm not attributing anything to BeautifulShy here, and assume the comparisons are coming from a talking head somewhere.

Second, you've changed the words, which had an ambiguous meaning before. Having the "Charles Barkley's shape" is unambiguous and decided less flattering than "Charles Barkley in shape" which I mistakenly thought could suggest a more physically fit version of Barkley. That error is on me, apologies for misunderstanding.

Finally, anytime someone invokes two Hall of Fame caliber players to make comparisons it will (intentionally or not) create a certain type of expectation. They could easily have said "body like a young Oliver Miller with hands the size of Noah Vonleh", or plenty of other comparisons. They didn't, and chose two absolute superstars.

That was my whole point: draft day commentary tends to be 90% drivel and 10% speculation. It's exciting to watch the picks and dream of what might be... but so terribly hollow, and so often the comments and comparisons end up being outright wrong.
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Post by: broodwars on June 21, 2019, 10:11:48 AM
I wonder if he was Derek Fisher's agent, too, considering the "gentlemen's agreement" that the Jazz organization had with him.
As for Fisher, I won’t pretend I know where the best eye cancer facilities are in the country. I don’t think it’s a stretch that Los Angeles and New York have some of the best doctors in the country. He gave up $24 million over three years to sign with the Lakers as a role player under the 2007 salary cap. There aren’t a lot of things that could make me give up $24 million. “My daughter has cancer” would be one of them.

The "gentlemen's agreement" was that Fisher would sign with the Knicks or some other team that wasn't a direct challenger to the Jazz. Instead, he went with one of our major rivals at the time.

... described as a Charles Barkley in shape with Kawai Leonards hands at the shooting guard position ...

So a mix of Barkely and Leonard, and still available at the 46th pick? Huh...

*shakes head*

You know, I remember when Jose Calderon of the Raptors was being called the "2nd coming of John Stockton" in his early years. Jazz fans had a good laugh at that for a long time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 21, 2019, 10:52:39 AM
GSW reached for Jordan Poole at 28 but I respect the hustle and hope he can hit his shots.

I'm not going to pretend to know anything about the other 2 picks so I just hope they can develop into something useful.

Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 21, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
@ejamer
I only intended to correct the spelling of “Barkley” and “Kawhi”. I didn’t think “a Charles Barkley in shape” and “Charles Barkley’s shape” really changed the context, but okay.

I agreed with you on player comparisons...

@broodwars
Not from what I read. Derek Fisher asked for his release so he could relocate to a team/city closer to specialists for his daughter (”Fisher said he wants to live in one of the six or seven cities being considered for Tatum's care.” (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2924068)). What kind of “gentleman’s agreement” has provisions on a little girl’s cancer treatment? “Go get your daughter the care she needs, but you can’t play for the Lakers.” I don’t know Fisher (though he’s done some weird **** in the last few years), but if he felt Los Angeles offered the best care, I’m not about to call him out on it. The Knicks were also $40 million over the salary cap in 2007 and had two point guards on the roster. Were they even an option for Fisher? The Nets had four point guards that year. The Clippers were still owned by infamous racist and cheapskate, Donald Sterling. With all that in mind, one would have to believe Fisher used his daughter’s illness to receive his release which ultimately cost him $24 million to play for a statistically worse basketball team. And he waited 10 days after the July moratorium to sign. If you want to believe that, go for it. I suppose that’s possible. I’m not treading those waters though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2019, 12:57:05 PM
Also yes I was using some talking heads thoughts and Adrock has it right in how I was describing THT.  I was more thinking along the lines of shape and not skill set. I had the highlights and the scouting report to add more context to how he plays.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
While I was asleep it looks like the Lakers have picked up a few players for the California Classic, Summer League and a two way contract.

Zach Norvell from Gonzaga on a two way contract, Devontea Cacok from UNC Wilmington to a Exhibit Ten deal for the summer league, Alec Holman from Mississippi State to summer league.  A lot of these players are really good at the 3 but needs work in other areas so I am pretty happy with the Lakers going for shooting in the draft/ undrafted players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 24, 2019, 08:21:44 AM
Are the Kawhi free agency tides turning? Multiple reports in the media recently about how Toronto now seems like the most likely place for him to play next year, based on sources like "NBA executives" and comments from Danny Green. Important to note that Kawhi and his friends/family have (as far as I know) been very quiet and not tipped their hand - so it's still all external speculation.

I feel like the end result is still a coin flip though. Clippers are a very appealing option for lots of reasons; Toronto is a known quantity regarding the organization and opportunities. It's just interesting to see how the narrative has slowly been changing.

Interesting sidenote: No previous Finals MVP has left his team in the following season; if Kawhi goes elsewhere, it would be the first time for that to happen.

Interesting sidenote #2: Apparently Kawhi was seen buying boxes from Home Depot. Uh-oh...
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
In other news, Durant and Kyrie have had 2 meeting regarding their potential futures together.

Durant is apparently pissed at the Warriors organization following his Achilles injury.
No one knows the full story behind it... and I've only read snippets regarding what I'm posting about right now, but I'm really hoping that Durant doesn't leave just yet.

He should recoup on the Dubs dime, with the possibility of coming back for the playoffs, assuming we make it that far.


But it's looking like Durant may leave, and Kawhi may stay.
D-Lo could go back to the Lakers, Kyrie is already moving to New York

oh, and the NBA Awards are tonight.
If you are watching, keep us updated. I'm not sure if I'll be able to catch it.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 24, 2019, 05:56:22 PM
In other news, Durant and Kyrie have had 2 meeting regarding their potential futures together.

Durant is apparently pissed at the Warriors organization following his Achilles injury.
No one knows the full story behind it... and I've only read snippets regarding what I'm posting about right now, but I'm really hoping that Durant doesn't leave just yet.

He should recoup on the Dubs dime, with the possibility of coming back for the playoffs, assuming we make it that far.

Kind of reminds me of what happened to Karl Malone his final year when he played on the Lakers and he got badly injured in the playoffs because the Lakers medical staff was (allegedly) incompetent.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 24, 2019, 07:57:59 PM
He should recoup on the Dubs dime, with the possibility of coming back for the playoffs, assuming we make it that far.

He's not going to play next season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 24, 2019, 08:55:52 PM
Yeah KD is out next season no matter which team he is on.  Klay, might might, make it back for the playoffs. 

As to Leonard I mean I haven't heard one way or another on which team he may go to for sure.  I kinda expect we will know the first day of free agency and not before. Kawhi is mysterious.   It does look however that Kawhi declined his player option. So he could be leaving or reupping with the Raptors for the Super Max.

D'Lo is interesting in that the Suns and Lakers could be options at the point guard spot.  Phoenix already did a lot of their dealing before and during the draft to have all the spots on their team covered except for point guard. Lakers I can see D'Lo coming back now that Magic is gone since he was the one to ship him out and he disparaged him for his maturity after he was traded.

Here is all the free agents connected to the Lakers so far. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/24/18683148/nba-free-agency-rumors-lakers-free-agent-kawhi-leonard-kyrie-irving-jimmy-butler-kemba-walker-woj
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Post by: Adrock on June 24, 2019, 09:52:38 PM
Announced Winners

Most Improved Player: Pascal Siakam

Rookie of the Year: Luka Dončić

(Late) Predictions

Most Valuable Player: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Defensive Player of the Year: Giannis Antetokounmpo

Sixth Man of the Year: Giannis Antetokounmpo Lou Williams

Coach of the Year: Mike Budenholzer (really surprised Nick Nurse wasn’t even a finalist)
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Post by: Shaymin on June 24, 2019, 11:27:01 PM
https://www.slamonline.com/nba/official-2019-nba-awards-results/

Sixth man: Lou Williams

Coach of the Year: Mike Budenholzer

Executive of the Year: Jon Horst Lawrence Frank finished ahead of Masai Ujiri, which I know these are regular season awards but WHAT

Defensive Player of the Year; Rudy Gobert

MVP: Giannis
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Post by: broodwars on June 25, 2019, 08:13:55 AM
With his 2nd straight Defensive Player of the Year award and his recent 2nd Year All NBA selection, hopefully Gobert finally realizes and accepts that being an All Star is not that big a deal. His game is defense-oriented, the one thing the All Star Game never has been.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 25, 2019, 05:09:25 PM
Looks like Space Jam 2 is being filmed now. Also yes LeBron built a custom basketball court for everyone to play on while filming much like Jordan.   Also the cast is set for the Space Jam 2 movie.   Staring LeBron James, Damian Lillard, Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson from the NBA and Diana Taurasi, Nneka Ogwumike and Chiney Ogwumike from the WNBA.   I am so excited for this movie.  I remember watching the original so much and I still have the soundtrack and the hardcover book on how it was made. Very exciting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 25, 2019, 06:58:34 PM
Here’s how misinformation spreads:

Quote from: Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports
Right now, Cleveland is trying to trade JR Smith and whichever teams that trades for him will waive him. When he's waived, it is my belief he'll end up with the Lakers.

Here’s a Deadspin article (https://deadspin.com/lebron-and-the-lakers-are-reportedly-interested-in-sign-1835852688). And a RealGM article (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254435/Lakers-Expected-To-Sign-JR-Smith-Once-He-Become-Free-Agent). And Yahoo itself and not from Haynes (https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/lakers-jr-smith-kyle-korver-lebron-james-215440626.html).

Haynes didn’t even cite “sources.” He literally just said his opinion and it’s all over Twitter now.

Look, this is exactly the kind of weirdo move the Lakers would make. Still, calm the F down, everyone.

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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 25, 2019, 09:57:43 PM
I saw that as sponsored content on FB earlier today and I did not click or read the article but I think the only reason a team would sign him is because of his contract. It is one of the few expiring contracts which is partially guaranteed so trading for him and then waiving him would open up more cap space I think. He is going to be making 15.7 million but less than 25 percent is fully guaranteed ,but it would have to be done before the 30th of June to waive him, so that may be a way to open up more cap space.   JR as a player I don't see him coming to the Lakers. I think as far as LeBron is concerned he may be sore over Game 1 of the finals in the last Cavs vs Warriors series.
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Post by: Soren on June 26, 2019, 12:03:20 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143906064779362306?s=20

KD opts out. Go get your money, champ.
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Post by: ejamer on June 26, 2019, 01:13:22 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1143906064779362306?s=20

KD opts out. Go get your money, champ.

Much like Kawhi opting out, this seems totally expected. By opting out he can choose to re-sign with his current team or go elsewhere, while getting the security of a nice fat contract in the process.

Was there any reason he (or really, either Kawhi or Durant) would have stayed in the existing contract? 
I can't think of any, but might be oversimplifying.
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Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
Only if Durant wanted to recuperate on the Warriors dime and was worried about teams not wanting to sign him for the max despite missing the entirety of next season.

Except he’s Kevin Durant and 30 out of 30 teams would take that chance even with the worst injury a basketball player can have. I’ve read reports that the Warriors are even considering signing him to the five-year max with the promise of trading him to his destination of choice as kind of an olive branch/act of good faith for everything he did for the organization while also not losing him for nothing. It’ll be hard for the Warriors to improve otherwise with Steph Curry’s super-max contract as well as Klay Thompson’s most likely max contract (and probably Draymond Green’s max contract).

It would benefit both sides though Durant could easily just say “**** y’all” anyway and sign with the Knicks/Nets because injury or not, he’s Kevin Durant and teams will be all like, “Whatever you say, Mr. Durant.”
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Post by: ejamer on June 26, 2019, 03:57:26 PM
... and teams will be all like, “Whatever you say, Mr. Durant.”

Totally agree.

A friend was asking me what kind of contract the Raptors should offer to Kawhi, and my answer was that they should do literally whatever he wants. Max contract, max length, trade kickers and vetoes, player options whenever he wants... Sure, you got it!

Durant (even injured) is the same thing. There are only a handful of players worldwide who affect winning as much as these guys. Normally I'm a fan of looking at fit with the team and chemistry... but if you have a chance to get Durant on your side, you just do it and deal with any consequences later.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2019, 05:33:49 PM
If I remember correctly, the Warriors offered Klay and Durant the Max contract.

Klay's Max is 5yr $190M
Durant's Max is 5yr $221M

Durant's current player option was 1yr $31.5M
and had he opted in and delayed a Max Contract offer extension till next year, it possibly could've been even higher.

it would only make sense to opt out and then re-sign if he plans to stay.
I don't believe any other team can offer quite as much as the Warriors.
I'm pretty sure all other teams are capped at 4yr $160M or something like that.
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Post by: ejamer on June 26, 2019, 11:36:42 PM
...
it would only make sense to opt out and then re-sign if he plans to stay.
...

I don't think that's true though.

Opting out is automatic - he can demand, and will receive, contract price/length up to the available limit from whichever team he signs with. No matter what team he picks, that will be better than what he gets paid otherwise.

Right now, if Golden State sees him walk away they get nothing in return. Their cap situation isn't great, so letting Durant walk won't open up much space for them to use to reload in the coming year. By signing him now and then trading him later (let's assume next year) Durant would get paid more and have more security from his contract, while the Warriors would still be able to get some kind of resources back from the trade. Largely a win-win situation, assuming Durant puts a trade veto in the contract to ensure he is sent to a team that he wants to play for.

That said, maybe Durant prefers the certainty of picking his own path if he doesn't plan to stay. Maybe he feels like somebody from Golden State didn't treat him properly when rushed back this year, and wants a different medical team involved in the rehab. Maybe Golden State doesn't consider the future resources to be worth the cost of paying for an injured player this coming year. Who knows what will happen?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2019, 12:25:54 AM
but it does make sense.... and you have to remember this is from the perspective of a Warrior fan hoping he stays long term.

If he planned to stay... He already knows the Warriors are offering him the Max. Why opt in and make $31.5M when he can opt out, and then sign back again for $42.4M. He'd be losing out on $11M if he took the player option.

Unless he planned on opting in and then hoping for the Max next year instead.... assuming he comes back near 100%, that would be likely, but what if during that year off, they see the snap back isn't that great, and they decide to let him walk in 20/21 season.

Even if he plans to leave, it would still make sense for him to opt out, and re-sign for the Max and then allow himself to be traded (with a trade clause) to the team of his choice, because no other team can offer that money. He'd be leaving money on the table.

The only downside to the opt-in and trade is that he would be losing assets on his new team to get traded from his old team for the sake of a higher pay check.

But he could just bounce to the Nets, join Kyrie, and forget about the extra money. "Instant" contender in the East (year after next) for sure. Assuming the team he goes to gives him all the time he needs to come back as close to 100% as possible.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 27, 2019, 09:28:43 AM
I think the injury forced his hand a bit. That opt-in was probably still in the cards until his Achilles blew up.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2019, 02:37:29 PM
According to Woj, Lakers now have max cap space after the Wizards agreed to take on Wagner, Bonga, and Jones. Davis is waiving his trade bonus. According to David Aldridge, the Wizards are sending the Lakers cash in the trade.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2019, 02:51:46 PM
According to Woj, Lakers now have max cap space after the Wizards agreed to take on Wagner, Bonga, and Jones. Davis is waiving his trade bonus. According to David Aldridge, the Wizards are sending the Lakers cash in the trade.
In addition to this the Lakers are sending the Wizards their 2022 second round pick alongside Bonga, Wagner and Jones.


Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2019, 03:33:03 PM
Looks like Kawhi is meeting with the Lakers, Clipper and Raptors when free agency opens up on the 30th.  Very exciting time to be a Laker fan.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 27, 2019, 03:59:46 PM
Wow, things are happening.

I was just sitting with clients the other day and we were discussing how the NBA is basically sports reality television, and unlike other sports there's enough drama that you can follow year round since the players are actively encouraged to have individual personalities.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2019, 06:07:33 PM
The idea of a team, even a team I like, having three top seven players in the league (at worst) is kind of gross to me.

That said, the Lakers apparently have a meeting with Kawhi Leonard. I would have six people in the room: Jeanie Buss, Rob Pelinka, Frank Vogel, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Kobe Bryant.

Here’s the pitch: Pelinka opens by staying the max contract is on the table and that Leonard will unquestionably be the first option. Buss, Vogel, James, and Davis state they’re all on the same page. Vogel, James, and Davis talk shop, how Leonard fits into what they’re planning to do (offense, defense, scheduled “rest days” etc. etc.). Bryant and Leonard are apparently close friends, they work out together etc. etc. Bryant talks about how the Lakers took care of him after his Achilles injury and how they always take care of their superstar players etc. etc. James and Davis bring out a list of players they’ve tampered with spoken to who have agreed to join on minimum deals if Leonard signs.

It has to be about basketball, what matters to Leonard, and what the Lakers can do/have done that the Spurs/Raptors didn’t and other teams can’t. One of the low-key best things going for the Lakers is that they gave Bryant a near-max contract back when he clearly wasn’t worth that much as a current player because of how much he meant to the team and city and how grossly underpaid he was considering how much money he brought in. Contrast that to how Leonard views the Spurs. They didn’t want to give him the supermax while dunking all over him regarding his injury.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 27, 2019, 06:42:06 PM
James is giving Davis #23. Last season, James wore #23 in games and #6 in practice which I didn’t understand because Lance Stephenson wore #6. He should wear #24 and act like it isn’t a big deal.

He probably wears #6 this season. Also, the Lakers probably re-sign Lance Stephenson. Who needs Kawhi Leonard? Make ‘em dance, Born Ready! 82-0!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 27, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
It's increasingly looking like the Jazz are going to let Derrick Favors go, which would be a real pity. Unfortunately, several prominent players at the Power Forward position have allegedly expressed interest in signing with the Jazz, including Tobias Harris, Bobby Portis, and now Nikola Mirotic. The Jazz can't afford such a free agent while retaining Favors, so here we are.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 27, 2019, 08:47:07 PM
Looks like Kawhi is meeting with the Lakers, Clipper and Raptors when free agency opens up on the 30th.  ...

And apparently a couple of other teams shortly after, even including Dallas? Best not to count your chickens just yet. Lakers always talk bit about the free agents they'll land. Sometimes it works out, usually it doesn't. NY and Boston are the same way.

It's Leonard's first time being a highly sought after free agent. Although he found the highest possible level of success and was well taken care of on the Raptors, the loyalty there is very thin after being sent there via trade last year. So just getting a meeting doesn't mean much - especially for a player as level-headed as Kawhi. Who knows if flashy sales pitches will move him? (Though you can't blame anyone for trying!)

The exciting question to me is guessing how long Leonard will take to decide. People all over two countries will be on pins and needles until that deal is sealed... but he never looks rushed on the court and I can't see that poise changing here, despite the outside excitement. Whichever lucky team signs him with be considered one of the favorites for a 2019-2020 championship.


Edit: I am, however, very curious to see how the Lakers round out that roster. Sure, it's the Lakers and they have a few extremely talented players, so some role players might gravitate there on cheap contracts... but they'll have extremely little money to work and a lot of holes to fill if they sign another max deal.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 27, 2019, 10:43:35 PM
so some role players might gravitate there on cheap contracts...

Cheap? More like league minimum. They're going to have to be very creative with who they sign and not strike out on their mid-level exception.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 27, 2019, 10:52:43 PM
I guess I am excited is because a lot of the media has written off the Lakers from even getting a meeting with Kawhi so I am happy to prove them wrong. I am also happy to see that the Lakers have that cap space so they can be flexible with their options going forward.  If the Lakers do get one of the Ks then they will have this year's draft picks, 2 way players and vet min and exceptions to fill out the roster. If they strike out on max players they could get D'lo and deandre jordan and maybe Seth curry. Beverly and Danny Green is also options.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 12:24:43 AM
Okay so it seems if the Warriors don't give Klay the max 190 million then Klay is going to look at the Clippers and Lakers.  For me personally while he is a very good player he is coming off an injury so I think our money will be tied up in his contract and that may not be the best if he is expected to come back at the earliest February or March so it would be Kuz, AD and Lebron and whatever team the Lakers can put around them with the remaining cap space, exceptions and mini contracts.   I think this is just a signal to the Warriors to sign him using the Lakers as leverage to be frank.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2019, 01:46:23 AM
I thought the Warriors already made it known they plan to offer Klay and Durant the MAXXX?
where is this "news" coming from?

or is it as you said, Klay's camp making sure the Warriors don't play no games come Sunday?
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 04:35:47 AM
The latter. I am sure that it is just Klays camp doing their job.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 28, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
The latter. I am sure that it is just Klays camp doing their job.

Most likely true... but wouldn't Klay be a perfect fit next to AD and James? Doesn't need the ball, lethal shot, tough defense, and incredibly durable.

Warriors fans shouldn't worry though. Klay is worth the contract, and his team knows that.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2019, 09:35:30 AM
Most likely true... but wouldn't Klay be a perfect fit next to AD and James? Doesn't need the ball, lethal shot, tough defense, and incredibly durable.
He would, but he also isn’t playing again until February or March. If the Lakers use the rest of their cap space on a single player, it would be prudent to spend it on someone who is ready to play at the beginning of the season.

That said, assuming Kawhi Leonard signs elsewhere and the Lakers have a chance to sign Klay Thompson, they would probably sign him and figure out the rest later.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 12:47:11 PM
I mean Kawhi and Kyrie are the two players that I would look at first in free agency and see if one of them want to sign with the Lakers. Kyrie has that chemistry with LeBron and he would be on the timeline of AD after LeBron leaves/retires.    If those two are not options then get D'lo and Beverly and get depth. I am with Adrock in that I kinda want a player who can play next season right away and unfortunately that isn't Klay.   
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
So I was reading about Kawhi's meeting with the Lakers and Lebron, AD, Magic and Jennie Buss were planning on meeting him but Kawhi himself has requested that only Magic and Jennie be there at the meeting. So it seems he is all business with the meeting.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2019, 05:47:00 PM
So I was reading about Kawhi's meeting with the Lakers and Lebron, AD, Magic and Jennie Buss were planning on meeting him but Kawhi himself has requested that only Magic and Jennie be there at the meeting. So it seems he is all business with the meeting.
That sounds made-up. Magic Johnson doesn’t work for the Lakers anymore. Yeah, non-employees have shown up during pitches. It’s still odd. Unless it was a troll request from Leonard’s camp, inviting only Buss and Johnson doesn’t make sense. Jeanie, by her own admission, isn’t that knowledge on the basketball side, and Magic isn’t involved with the team at all. Why wouldn’t at least Rob Pelinka be at the meeting?

EDIT: To clarify, I’m not saying you made it up. I saw this (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254518/Magic-Johnson-Will-Meet-With-Kawhi-Leonards-Camp-In-Free-Agency) which mentions Magic and Jeanie meeting Leonard’s camp. It also mentions a source telling Sam Amick of The Athletic that James and Davis plan on being part of the pitch.

*puts on conspiracy theory hat*
Jeanie has been railing against the media and fake stories for months. What if, in the last month, she’s been leaking fake stories to the media? She’s one of the brightest business minds in the league. It wouldn’t surprise me if she decided to take matters into her own hands and let the media work to her advantage. For example, leak stories about Pelinka being grossly inept regarding the salary cap (despite all evidence to the contrary) so other teams have no idea what’s going on within the organization.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 07:35:19 PM
I saw it on ESPN about the Magic and Jennie part of it. I guess from my understanding now is that Magic can't formally be in the room for a official meeting with the Lakers organization but he can do something on his own.
 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27076486/sources-kawhi-meet-magic-lakers-buss

This weekend is going to be exciting and chaotic.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2019, 07:54:11 PM
There it is.
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Leonard, who is expected to speak to the Lakers in the next few days, had made a personal request that only owner Jeanie Buss and Johnson, the team's former president of basketball operations, be involved in the meeting, sources told ESPN's Stephen A. Smith.
1. Word-diarrhea pours out of Stephen A.’s mouth all the time.

2. Someone doesn’t know the rules whether it’s Stephen A. or his sources. Non-employees/celebrities show up in pitch videos all the time. I guess it’s possible the NBA doesn’t monitor who physically sits in the free agent meeting. Or Jeanie Buss is leaking more fake stories...
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 28, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
Either way there's legitimate reasons why Kahwi would be reticent to join the Lakers, including willingly taking on the third role after leading a Toronto squad. Bomani and Pablo lay it out perfectly. Possible 10(!) guys on minimum contracts!

https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/1144712073466777600?s=20
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 28, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
I was coming in to post about what the Suns have done since the draft since it is the team locally here but let me say something on the 3rd max or depth subject with the Lakers.


I feel if the Lakers get a 3rd star be it Kawhi or Kyrie or someone else I feel that Lebron is going to take a step back with being the main guy in part because of how old he is right now. Going to be 35 this coming season and I think he is going to be more of a facilitator and get his points where he can within the offense. He is a smart enough guy to do that and adapt his game to others. He did it in Miami and I think he can do it with the Lakers. I also think that with these 3 guys all of them can play off ball to a degree and that would be less taxing on everyone altogether so they can make it through the season.

 In regards to Pelinka I would say that everyone has doubted him since Magic left and I do think he has made some good moves with getting AD to come here and a week ago none of the pundents thought that the Lakers would even get max space but he has done that.  He made it so where it is flexable if they miss out on the top free agents he can craft a great team with depth.  He has that flexablity now.       

They also have options with the exception and different players who have been developing on two way contracts and the buyout market later in the year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 28, 2019, 11:27:58 PM
Either way there's legitimate reasons why Kahwi would be reticent to join the Lakers, including willingly taking on the third role after leading a Toronto squad. Bomani and Pablo lay it out perfectly. Possible 10(!) guys on minimum contracts!

https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/1144712073466777600?s=20
And there are legitimate reasons why he shouldn't reticent to join the Lakers.

1. Why would Kawhi Leonard be the third option when he's better than both James and Davis at this point in their careers? James was better and maybe Davis will be better. The third option take doesn't make any sense from a basketball standpoint yet I haven't heard any analyst bring this up. If he signed with the Lakers, he would immediately be the first option on most nights. Maybe it would be Davis sometimes depending on the matchup.

Also, here's Leonard himself saying, "I just want to win, I don't care about being the best player." (https://youtu.be/DVm0PfCdGPs?t=290)

2. Whether Kawhi Leonard should join a superteam when he led his team to a championship goes both ways. These analysts keep ignoring the fact that the 2019 Finals went to six games despite the Warriors losing two starters. The Raptors had to triple team Steph Curry and they still almost lost Game 6. The Finals were a cautionary tale regarding superteams, but we know they work. What are the chances that two superstars go down with catastrophic injuries in the same series?

Kawhi Leonard doesn't have anything else to prove. If he joins a superteam, no one is going to give him **** like they did with Kevin Durant. If Leonard cares primarily about winning and career longevity, he should join a superteam even if it isn't the Lakers. It's just easier on your body when you don't have carry so much. There were times in these playoffs when Leonard just looked tired. Dude is 28. Analysts and retired players like to dunk on superteams and wax nostalgic about the competitiveness of the 80s and 90s. We're in a different era now.

3. Who cares if the Lakers have to sign a bunch of players on minimum contracts? There are players who are overpaid and underpaid every year. Salary doesn't dictate skill or contribution. I don't like that players take less money. More importantly, we all know that they do for whatever reason.

"Depth" is like eight or nine deep and only 13 players can be on the active roster a night. It wouldn't be that difficult to find decent minimum contract role players after using the mid-level exception.

Anyway, I'm fascinated by but not sold on Kawhi Leonard signing with the Lakers. I just have a hard time taking these tired, one-sided takes seriously week after week. Honestly, I'm conflicted. A team led by Leonard, Davis, and James would be fun to watch but they'd be a lot more fun to watch against a fully loaded, healthy Warriors team which we won't get this upcoming season.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 29, 2019, 01:54:01 AM
"Depth" is like eight or nine deep and only 13 players can be on the active roster a night. It wouldn't be that difficult to find decent minimum contract role players after using the mid-level exception.

Given that most playoff rotations shorten to 8 players, that means the Lakers, after signing 1 max player and 1 MLE player, would need 3 extra players worthy of playoff minutes that would also agree to sign for league minimum contracts.

Oh and good luck not getting injured.

There's a reason most championship contending teams have an end of the bench rotation held together by duct tape and elbow grease. The Lakers have a real possibility of not even having a good 6th man.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2019, 08:24:44 AM
Given that most playoff rotations shorten to 8 players, that means the Lakers, after signing 1 max player and 1 MLE player, would need 3 extra players worthy of playoff minutes that would also agree to sign for league minimum contracts.
There’s no shortage of thirsty vets chasing their first ring. There’s no shortage of vets who made the bulk of their earnings already and are just looking for a winning situation and/or meaningful playing time. The Lakers overpaid Rajon Rondo knowing they’d star-chasing so they could sign him for the minimum this season. Off the bench, sure. Playoff Rondo® is a real thing. There are always players on the buy-out market. If a team is good at scouting (and the Lakers are), there’s value overseas, the G-League, and the so-called “NBA Scrapheap.” People forget Wayne Ellington played for the Lakers in 2014-2015 on a minimum contract. Spencer Dinwiddie was unceremoniously tossed away before the Nets gave him a chance. He’s been playing for peanuts the last couple years before getting a decent extension in December.

I’m not saying the Lakers will find a diamond in the rough like Dinwiddie. Bench players getting meaningful minutes will absolutely be available for the minimum on a superteam. Maybe they take the minimum for one year, get their ring then **** off. A team with three superstars in a big, warm-weather market can literally do this every year. Or they can do wink-and-nod deals and pay them on the backend when they get their Bird rights.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 29, 2019, 09:40:58 AM
Re: Kawhi as a first option on the Lakers, I don't see it.  Has LeBron ever ceded control? I mean, he has a history of making good passes and trusts others to make shots in important moments... but I haven't seen anything in his play or his behavior that makes me think he's ready to take a step back. I don't trust it. Yes, LeBron is older, but he's been the dominant force his entire basketball life, and I think that mentally it would be an incredible stretch for him to relinquish that position. The interesting question to me would be who gets to be the Robin to LeBron's Batman: Kawhi or AD?

Also, if Kawhi just wants to win, how appealing is a team with 10 minimum contracts vs rolling back with the defending champs in a season where most of their biggest opponents will likely be down a player or two from last year? Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...  (The answer of course is that it's not really just about winning - there are lots of real-life factors that come into play too.)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2019, 10:48:13 AM
I saw it on ESPN about the Magic and Jennie part of it. I guess from my understanding now is that Magic can't formally be in the room for a official meeting with the Lakers organization but he can do something on his own.
Just an addendum on this. According to Tania Ganguli, NBA rules don't prevent teams from bringing in non-employees to free agent pitches. The league just didn't want Magic Johnson specifically involved in Lakers free agent meetings because of the bad optics. It would be as if Johnson quit just so he could tamper on his own time, unhindered by the collective bargaining agreement.
Re: Kawhi as a first option on the Lakers, I don't see it.  Has LeBron ever ceded control?
He just gave up his number for Anthony Davis. It sounds insignificant, but that matters to players. LeBron hasn't had to cede control because he was always the best player on the team which would no longer be true on a team Leonard and Davis. Dwyane Wade famously deferred to LeBron in Miami, and it got them two championships. That said, he's seen it first hand. I certainly have some doubts and understand why others would. At the same time, LeBron is 34 and seems far more self-aware than say, Kobe who was jacking up 20 shots a game at the end of his career.
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Also, if Kawhi just wants to win, how appealing is a team with 10 minimum contracts vs rolling back with the defending champs in a season where most of their biggest opponents will likely be down a player or two from last year?
This is a hilariously reductive comparison. You very blatantly refused to mention he'd be joining two top seven players at worst. You guys can keep dunking on minimum contracts, but again, salary doesn't dictate skill or contribution. That's true across the entire spectrum. Kemba Walker is going to get paid the same amount of money as Kawhi Leonard next season. No one puts them on the same pedestal. Steph Curry is on a supermax contract now yet he's grossly underpaid and he's only earning ~$2 million more than Chris Paul. Just because someone signs a contract for X dollars doesn't mean that's how much they're worth.

The Raptors were one Steph Curry shot from a Game 7. It was a series they rightfully won under the circumstances, and rightfully would not have won under different circumstances. Ultimately, the Raptors are the defending champs so rolling it back with roughly the same team next year is an appealing option. My point is joining the Lakers is also an appealing option just for different reasons. Dismissing that option by focusing on minimum contracts as well as downplaying or even flat-out disregarding the benefits of joining two of the best players in the league is bad a look, man.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 29, 2019, 01:11:38 PM
Not so reductive at all, or at least no more than when a dominant, superstar player says "I just want to win...".
There is always more to the decision.

And while it's totally possible that he'll go to the Lakers, I still have to see it to believe it. Nobody - NOBODY - is worse for putting out rumors about how they are getting major free agents than L.A. and N.Y.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes not.

You are right that Kawhi would never have had two teammates so talented. Fingers crossed they can stay healthy though - because LeBron is aging and has a ton of wear on that body and AD seems to get hurt and miss time almost every year. Hopefully the Lakers medical team is strong.

End of story: Kawhi definitely might join the Lakers. People make bad choices all the time.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 29, 2019, 02:13:54 PM
On the topic of LeBron deferring he did it his first year in Miami and he has shown that he will the little things to make his new teammate welcome by giving up the number 23 to Davis and going back to number 6.

There is also this. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/29/19940481/lakers-free-agent-rumors-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-pitch-defer-anthony-davis-jersey-number-heat   

From Sam Amick of the Athletic.
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Want him to be the third option, a playmaker who breathes a new and different life into their games while making sure there’s enough oxygen in the locker room for everyone? Consider it done. Want him to use that third eye on the floor to make Leonard and Davis’ jobs that much easier? He’d love to.
After the disastrous debut season of LeBron in Laker Land, where he missed a career-high 27 games (18 because of a groin strain) and missed out on the playoffs for the first time since 2005 after EIGHT consecutive Finals appearances, he has no illusions about the height of the stakes here or the part that he needs and wants to play. And according to a source close to James, it’s this focus on being an incredible teammate that will be at the center of his message to Leonard.
He’ll make it clear that he’s truly willing to tailor his talents around theirs. He might dispel this notion that all the recent Lakers nonsense is their never-ending norm. He’ll candidly discuss the truth about the point he has reached in his legendary career, how his age and all those meaningful miles mean that Leonard and Davis could have the keys to this Lakers kingdom long after his playing days are done.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2019, 09:13:26 PM
Not so fast on those Kawhi to the Lakers rumors....

(https://i.imgur.com/YEVSvP1.png)

but why everyone gotta come West!!!? LOL
The East gonna be wide open for someone to rise and FEAST.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 29, 2019, 09:56:19 PM
So tomorrow is free agency and it is looking like a lot of the big pieces are off the board. 

Kemba is likely going to the Celtics, Irving is likely going to the Nets, and Klay is heading back to the Warriors according to some reports.

So the Lakers are opening up their options to include Jimmy Butler along with Kawhi as options for the max. If those two fall then they will spend their cap on multiple players.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 29, 2019, 10:21:24 PM
Lakers Plan C = The Return of D-Lo
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 29, 2019, 10:44:06 PM
So the NBA's now set the salary cap for the upcoming season at $109.14 million, which almost seems designed to **** over the Jazz (as the NBA has historically been want to do), because now the Jazz automatically have to cut a player just to complete the Mike Conley trade. The cap was only $100,000 short of where the Jazz needed it. Looks like our backup backup Point Guard, Raul Neto, will be the guy on the chopping block. No big loss, really, but it's a bad sign for the upcoming Free Agency Period.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/29/20165163/raul-neto-could-be-salary-cap-casualty-as-cap-is-set-at-109-14-million (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/29/20165163/raul-neto-could-be-salary-cap-casualty-as-cap-is-set-at-109-14-million)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2019, 10:54:36 PM
Lakers Plan C = The Return of D-Lo
You don’t say no if Kawhi comes knocking, but man, I’d love to see D’Angelo Russell back on the Lakers. I still follow all the former young core. I’m going to be rooting for the Pelicans. Haymakers aside, I remain a fan of Brandon Ingram.

Jimmy Butler is going to get a max contract. I’m on the fence on giving him one because the end of that contract may be dicey. Still, if you’re trying to win today, you could do a lot worse than Jimmy Buckets so let future you deal with aftermath if you can get a championship first.
The cap was only $100,000 short of where the Jazz needed it. Looks like our backup backup Point Guard, Raul Neto, will be the guy on the chopping block. No big loss, really, but it's a bad sign for the upcoming Free Agency Period.
Of course, it is because **** the Jazz. Now watch Raul Neto have a breakout year earning Most Improved Player and/or the Lou Williams award Sixth Man of the Year.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 12:37:54 AM
Not so fast on those Kawhi to the Lakers rumors....

(https://i.imgur.com/YEVSvP1.png)

but why everyone gotta come West!!!? LOL
The East gonna be wide open for someone to rise and FEAST.

100% expected this rumor to come out.

Of course the top two free agents might go to NY. It's only logical, if you think about it... because the Knicks have good management, a history of making good choices and taking care of their players, and seem ready to win now.

Or maybe it's because NY talks about how they are players for the major free agents every year, despite having a pretty terrible track record for ever landing them. But that could all change this year when they pull two of the top 5 players in the NBA in a single off-season!

I was skeptical about the Lakers rumor, but it could happen; this one seems almost farcical.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 02:42:25 AM
The problem with the Knicks is their front office is not the best at making the right choices and that is why they haven't really been relevant since Carmelo was there and before that when they made it to the finals as a 8th seed in 1999.   If the above were to happen I would really only see it with the Clippers of those two teams.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 08:10:19 AM
...   If the above were to happen I would really only see it with the Clippers of those two teams.

Agreed - the LA half of that rumor sounds possible. NY as a destination for two major free agents is a "believe it when you see it" kind of rumor though.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 02:26:16 PM
Only a few hours left. Do you guys expect a lot of quick moves, or some delays? With Kawhi reported to be taking multiple meetings over a couple of days, and rumors that he and Durant might team up, will a lot of smaller deals get done quick while other teams are left waiting on the big fish?

Either way, it'll be exciting to see how things play out!
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 03:09:51 PM
Kyrie Irving and Kemba walker are going to ink their deals with the Nets and Celtics respectively at 6:01 PM even though teams would absolutely never temper under any circumstances whatsoever. Kevin Durant probably follows suit a few hours later. I have him joining Kyrie on the Nets.

Kawhi is a mystery. I think he probably makes a decision within 24 hours because so many people are waiting on him. It’s less about front offices than it is about other players. They’re in limbo if he drags his decision out. Kawhi likely knows where he’s going, just keeps his cards close to the vest.

Jimmy Butler apparently wants to go to the Heat. They’d require a sign-and-trade. Not sure that happens. The Sixers don’t have to oblige though they could always use more assets. They should offer him the full five-year max, and he should take it. Not really sure what happens here. If Butler takes the max, over at 6:01 PM. If a sign-and-trade is required, maybe a few days but he’s off the board.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 30, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145413143470006273?s=20

The Decision 2.0.

EDIT: Dubs will offer 5 years, $221 million max to KD tonight at 6pm, per Marc Stein.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
Celtics Seek Three-Way Sign-And-Trade With Nets, Hornets (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254569/Celtics-Seek-Three-Way-Sign-And-Trade-With-Nets-Hornets)

Part of me wants the Nets to request three first round picks and a swap.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 04:16:31 PM
Only a few hours left. Do you guys expect a lot of quick moves, or some delays? With Kawhi reported to be taking multiple meetings over a couple of days, and rumors that he and Durant might team up, will a lot of smaller deals get done quick while other teams are left waiting on the big fish?

Either way, it'll be exciting to see how things play out!
I see a few of the main stars signing quickly like Kemba and Kyrie and then every other main star left on the board will wait for Kawhi and Durants choices before deciding on where to go fully.

In Lakers news it seems like they are going to try and get a meeting with Butler just incase Kawhi isn't an option.  I think the timing of Butler starting his meetings out east from the Heat, Rockets and then to LA. That may work to the Lakers/Clippers favor since Kawhi will be seen first and should have a decision from Kawhi one way or another so they can pursue Butler or D'Lo.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2019, 04:25:50 PM
The Jazz are looking into potentially signing Pacers SF Bogdan Bogdanovich. They're meeting with him this afternoon.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers)
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: Soren on June 30, 2019, 04:57:26 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145435074655117314?s=20

KD to Brooklyn, via Woj. Pack it in.

KD, Kyrie and DeAndre Jordan.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 05:22:23 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145435074655117314?s=20

KD to Brooklyn, via Woj. Pack it in.

KD, Kyrie and DeAndre Jordan.
Welp.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 05:31:51 PM
“This fall, I’m gonna take my talents to... what’s that? Woj reported this 40 minutes ago?”
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
I guess Durant let Bob Myers know he wasn't returning on Sunday when he was in NY. Rest of the teams were told of this decision later in the day so they could change plans if needed. I guess that is why the Kawhi and KD rumor was changed to Butler and Kawhi to the Clippers today after they found out.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145447604597272577
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
Oh wow - so Durant is already a done deal?  That was unexpectedly quick... although perhaps that's just me being silly. Somehow I expected him to actually meet with different teams and see what they offered, but he's done free agency before and maybe doesn't need to go through it again?

Not surprised at all he's leaving. But this will create a very interesting Nets team in a couple of years.

Although still hopeful that Kawhi sticks, I feel more and more like he'll be elsewhere next year. Ah well, at least I have a few hours left to pretend.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 06:16:32 PM
Looking at Woj and Shams twitter feed and the free agents are going quick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 06:27:03 PM
A lot of guys getting paid. This is 2016 Part II: The Reckoning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 06:29:35 PM
Rumor about D'Angelo Russell coming to Golden State as part of a Durant sign-and-trade...  Seems like an odd match to me. Russell has a lot of talent though, I just don't know about the fit. That said, seems like it would be an awesome deal for Golden State if it happens (vs having Durant just leave for nothing).

I'm a bit surprised about Lopez going back to the Bucks, only so far as I didn't think they'd be able to afford to bring him back after the excellent work he did this year. Definitely a big score for Milwaukee!


A lot of guys getting paid. This is 2016 Part II: The Reckoning.

And that didn't end badly for any teams... did it?  Hmm... Crazy exciting year for free agency this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2019, 06:31:39 PM
JJ Redick to the Pels should be pretty good for them.  I'm excited.
Title: Re: The NBA Thread:Congrats to -checks notes- the Toronto Maple Leafs? Argonauts? uh
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
The Jazz are looking into potentially signing Pacers SF Bogdan Bogdanovich. They're meeting with him this afternoon.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers)

...Aaaand it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 06:35:36 PM
Oh my!  Brogdon to Indiana?  I guess that's how Milwaukee could afford Lopez.  I'm a huge fan of Brogdon - not particularly athletic, but strong and smart. I was about to say that Indiana had taken a hit, but this is a nice signing IMO.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 06:36:26 PM
Looks like the Suns have their vet point guard in Ricky Rubio 3 years/51 million
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145458984964493312

Looks like they are going to have him till the point guards that they drafted in the draft this year grow.    Terry Rozier was in talks with the suns before he was roped into the 3 team deal with the Celtics, Nets and Hornets. Rozier going to the Hornets, Nets getting Kyrie and Celtics getting Kemba.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 06:40:55 PM
Looks like the Suns have their vet point guard in Ricky Rubio 3 years/51 million
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145458984964493312
...

Is this a good move by the Suns? I have a hard time seeing the value for them, but maybe I'm just not connecting the dots?  (That said, they do have a couple of nice young pieces; maybe Rubio is a good fit?)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 06:42:12 PM
The Jazz are looking into potentially signing Pacers SF Bogdan Bogdanovich. They're meeting with him this afternoon.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers)

...Aaaand it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19)
I guess when Mirotic decided to go overseas they decided to go after him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2019, 06:46:25 PM
The Jazz are looking into potentially signing Pacers SF Bogdan Bogdanovich. They're meeting with him this afternoon.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/30/20630149/utah-jazz-free-agency-bogdanovich-favors-indiana-pacers)

...Aaaand it's a done deal.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145459162543022080?s=19)
I guess when Mirotic decided to go overseas they decided to go after him.

Jazz fans are hoping that he's the 2nd coming of Mehmet Okur. Unfortunately, this signing pretty much guarantees that we're going to lose Derrick Favors.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 06:58:08 PM
Looks like the Suns have their vet point guard in Ricky Rubio 3 years/51 million
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145458984964493312
...

Is this a good move by the Suns? I have a hard time seeing the value for them, but maybe I'm just not connecting the dots?  (That said, they do have a couple of nice young pieces; maybe Rubio is a good fit?)
The Suns have needed a point guard since Eric Bledsoe went to the Bucks several years ago. They have lots of point guards on the roster but none of them were a good match with Booker and Ayton.
Rubio brings experience, pass first point guard, good steals, team player.

Last season, the Suns' point guard rotation at the beginning of last season was Isaiah Canaan, Jamal Crawford, Elie Okobo and De'Anthony Melton.

This season, the Suns' point guard rotation will be Ricky Rubio, Tyler Johnson and Ty Jerome. That's an upgrade.

Right now with this signing they have Rubio, Booker,  Kelly Oubre Jr, Dario Saric and Deandre Ayton for the starting lineup. Their bench was okay but with some of the draft day moves they got a bit more experience and depth.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019/6/30/20646348/shams-phoenix-suns-sign-ricky-rubio-to-three-year-51-million-deal

Personally I would of liked D'lo for the Suns since Booker is friends with him and he is a bit younger so he could grow with the team but the Suns I think only had 14 million and they would of had to stretch Johnson or unload many of the point guards on the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2019, 07:07:16 PM
So the Jazz have a major problem at this point: they pretty much gutted their bench to buff up their starting lineup. Right now we're looking at...

Starting PG: Mike Conley
Starting SG: Donovan Mitchell
Starting C: Rudy Gobert
Starting PF: Umm...Royce O'Neal?
Starting SF: Joe Ingles or Bojan Bogdanovich

Bench:

PG: Raul Neto or the corpse of Dante Exum
SG: ?
C: ?
PF: Georges Niang
SF: Joe Ingles or Bojan Bogdanovich

That is not a great bench. We might end up using those newly-drafted 2nd rounders more than the Jazz usually do.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 07:13:53 PM
Looks like Tobias Harris is heading back to the 76ers. 5 year/180 mil deal.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Per Ramona Shelburne, “The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury.”

🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
Per Ramona Shelburne, “The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury.”

🤷‍♀️

Yeah, I just read that too... Hahaha... Knicks gonna Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 07:27:13 PM
Per Ramona Shelburne, “The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury.”

🤷‍♀️

Yeah, I just read that too... Hahaha... Knicks gonna Knicks.
Looks like they are going after Randle.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 07:30:51 PM
So it seems that Magic talked with Kawhi and his uncle and the discussion is positive. Also it seems that the official meeting is going to be Pelinka and Jennie to talk with Leonard.

https://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-free-agency-rumors-magic-johnson-had-positive-conversation-with-kawhi-leonard-dennis-roberston/2019/06/30/
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 07:37:41 PM
Per Chris Broussard a couple hours ago: “Kawhi is “Lakers to lose,” I’m told. Not done deal yet, but Lakers are his top choice.”

We’ll see.

Unrelated: The Pacers made some great moves today. Imagine if the Bucks lose to the Pacers in the playoffs next year.
(https://i.imgur.com/luuSIE5.gif)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 07:38:38 PM
Per Ramona Shelburne, “The Knicks and owner Jim Dolan were not prepared to offer Kevin Durant a full max contract due to concerns over his recovery from the Achilles injury.”

🤷‍♀️

Yeah, I just read that too... Hahaha... Knicks gonna Knicks.
Looks like they are going after Randle.
3 year/63 mil deal to the Knicks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
I’m a big Julius Randle fan, but damn, I wish he went to almost any other team but the Knicks (or Celtics). Glad he got paid though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Per Chris Broussard a couple hours ago: “Kawhi is “Lakers to lose,” I’m told. Not done deal yet, but Lakers are his top choice.”

We’ll see.

...

I always question who's doing the telling in these scenarios.
Willing to bet that it's NOT Kawhi or anyone inside his camp.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 09:15:04 PM
Looks like Jimmy Butler is going to Miami in a sign and trade. Josh Richardson heading to the 76ers. 4 year for Butler.

Al Horford heading to the 76ers for a 4 year 109 mil deal.  The Horford contract has $97M guaranteed and $12M in bonuses tied to championships, league sources tell ESPN.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 09:18:45 PM
Either D'Lo and pieces or Kawhi.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 09:30:29 PM
76ers did well.

With Durant, Irving, and Butler off the board, the Clippers plan to pair Kawhi Leonard with another superstar is off the table unless they somehow snag Klay Thompson. The Warriors offered him the max, weird that we haven’t heard anything yet.

Per Chris Haynes, Leonard is apparently not taking meetings today, meaning fanbases will have to way another day or two to post the “What it do, baby!” clip.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 09:38:46 PM
Kawhi is probably surveying the field to see what would be the best option for him.  It feels like the power dynamics is going to the east now with Philly and Nets doing what they did.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2019, 10:02:28 PM
I'd like to think Kawhi has purposely not heard from teams until 6pm today for the sole purpose of being a stickler for the rules.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 10:14:28 PM
I'd like to think Kawhi has purposely not heard from teams until 6pm today for the sole purpose of being a stickler for the rules.
That may be true for the teams but you can bet that the players were all talking with each other. Apparently Kawhi reached out to Durant about teaming up with the Clippers a few days ago and that gave Durant pause on if he wanted to do that or not. That may be why we heard this morning about the KD and Kawhi to Clippers story.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 10:25:26 PM
So the Jazz have a major problem at this point: they pretty much gutted their bench to buff up their starting lineup. Right now we're looking at...

Starting PG: Mike Conley
Starting SG: Donovan Mitchell
Starting C: Rudy Gobert
Starting PF: Umm...Royce O'Neal?
Starting SF: Joe Ingles or Bojan Bogdanovich

Bench:

PG: Raul Neto or the corpse of Dante Exum
SG: ?
C: ?
PF: Georges Niang
SF: Joe Ingles or Bojan Bogdanovich

That is not a great bench. We might end up using those newly-drafted 2nd rounders more than the Jazz usually do.
Well you now have a backup PF/C in Ed Davis now. 2 year/10 million.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 10:27:53 PM
Looks like Jimmy Butler is going to Miami in a sign and trade. Josh Richardson heading to the 76ers. 4 year for Butler.
This trade also sends Goran Dragić, Luka Dončić‘s former roommate, to the Mavericks for salary matching purposes. The Heat are hard capped this year, but Hassan White is off the books next summer. Not screwed, but Butler’s first year may be rocky. EDIT: Shams is saying not. EDIT 2: he deleted the tweet.

Fun Fact 1: In 2013, Jimmy Butler said he’d never wear a Miami Heat Jersey.

Fun Fact 2: The Heat retired #23 for Michael Jordan, a player who never played for the team. No worries. Jimmy Butler wore #33 at Marquette. The Heat retired #33 in 2009, Alonzo Mourning’s number.

Who knows which number Butler will choose? The Heat should let him wear #3 because they clearly have no idea what they’re doing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Looks like Jimmy Butler is going to Miami in a sign and trade. Josh Richardson heading to the 76ers. 4 year for Butler.
This trade also sends Goran Dragić, Luka Dončić‘s former roommate, to the Mavericks for salary matching purposes. The Heat are hard capped this year, but Hassan White is off the books next summer. Not screwed, but Butler’s first year may be rocky. EDIT: Shams is saying not.

Fun Fact 1: In 2013, Jimmy Butler said he’d never wear a Miami Heat Jersey.

Fun Fact 2: The Heat retired #23 for Michael Jordan, a player who never played for the team. No worries. Jimmy Butler wore #33 at Marquette. The Heat retired #33 in 2009, Alonzo Mourning’s number.

Who knows which number Butler will choose? The Heat should let him wear #3 because they clearly have no idea what they’re doing.
This was just updated. Mavs get Kelly Olynyk and Derrick Jones instead of Dragic.
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1145517269889552384
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
I would have preferred Dragić. And he only has one year left of it doesn’t work out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 10:37:16 PM
I would have preferred Dragić. And he only has one year left of it doesn’t work out.
I guess Dallas wanted to make more moves.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 10:47:41 PM
Smaller moves:  Mike Muscala is heading to the Thunder, Pels are looking to sign Derrick Favors, Mario Hezonjia is heading to the Trailblazers for a 1 year minimum with a player option.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 10:54:41 PM
... Apparently Kawhi reached out to Durant about teaming up with the Clippers a few days ago and that gave Durant pause on if he wanted to do that or not. That may be why we heard this morning about the KD and Kawhi to Clippers story.

What's the source on that one?


Knicks don't look so hot after a lot of talk this year.
Lakers position is looking pretty sketchy - at this point, if they don't land Kawhi or somehow against all expectation steal Klay (which I think would be an amazing fit but doesn't seem at all likely... but how come I didn't see a notice about him signing with GS? surely that's going to happen...) then a lot of the second-tier free agents they might have targeted seem to be committing elsewhere.

Still hopeful that Raps can keep Kawhi for another year... but not holding my breath. With Sixers and Nets looking real good going forward too, that one year window is probably all they'd really be able to offer anyway.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
Smaller moves:  Mike Muscala is heading to the Thunder, Pels are looking to sign Derrick Favors, Mario Hezonjia is heading to the Trailblazers for a 1 year minimum with a player option.
And Nerlens Noel was returning to the Thunder before asking for more time. “jkjkjk LOL! Teams still have cap space.”
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 11:03:17 PM
And Nerlens Noel was returning to the Thunder before asking for more time. “jkjkjk LOL! Teams still have cap space.”

Lakers minimum contact candidate for winning, or more concerned about getting a paycheck?
(I'm guessing the latter... and some team that doesn' t hit any free agents might just agree to it?)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 11:04:06 PM
I guess Klay agreed to sign with the Warriors last night for that 5 year/190 mil deal.
 https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2019/6/29/19967883/nba-2019-free-agency-golden-state-warriors-klay-thompson-kevin-durant-news-contract

With the KD and KL it is from Brian Wendwerst saying it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYmsikwMt3Q About at the 2:48 mark in the video.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on June 30, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
...
With the KD and KL it is from Brian Wendwerst saying it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYmsikwMt3Q About at the 2:48 mark in the video.

Eh, sounds believable. *sigh*
TBH, I would have actually enjoyed seeing them on the Clips (not next year, obviously, but once KD is healed). Would have enjoyed seeing KD together with Kawhi more than the current situation with Kyrie - but that's just because I think Kyrie is a bit of a nutjob, on the court it should be a great match.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
Per Shams: “Warriors are on verge of acquiring Russell, Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier from Brooklyn, league sources said.”

Lakers better hope they get Kawhi...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2019, 11:28:07 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145533354730766338
Damnit Shams

Quote
Warriors are on verge of acquiring Russell, Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier from Brooklyn, league sources said.

Looks like the Warriors need to unload some salary to make this work so Iggy could be on the move.

From Woj:
Quote
Golden State is trading Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies, league source tells ESPN. Warriors are sending a 2024 protected first-round pick in the 2024 (protected 1-4), 2025 (protected 1) and 2026 unprotected.

This is how the Warriors end up after the Iggy trade.
Quote
W/ Iguodala trade, Russell and Klay both maxes and dump Livingston's GT, GSW 5 players.  A mere $18.2m below the hard cap to fill out 9 roster slots. Even if they keep McKinnie, Graham, Napier NG, $13.1m for 6. Goodbye Looney, Cousins, Cook, possibly Bell.
Current Warriors roster
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
D'Angelo Russell
Draymond Green
Alfonzo McKinnie
Jacob Evans
Damian Jones
Jordan Poole
Eric Paschall
Shabazz Napier
Treveon Graham
Alen Smailagic
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on June 30, 2019, 11:45:02 PM
The Grizzlies doing what they should be doing. That 2026 pick might be a mistake but that’s the Future Warriors’ problem.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on June 30, 2019, 11:51:07 PM
Niiiiiice. While it was a shame to lose Favors, at least the Jazz managed to trade him rather than just lose him outright on the 1st day of his unrestricted Free Agency. We're getting some draft picks in exchange for trading him to the Pelicans, and considering the Pelicans are almost certainly going to be perform worse than the Jazz traditionally do, it basically means we got some back of what we traded for Conley.

The Jazz have basically played this offseason perfectly. I didn't think I'd live to see the day where the Jazz actually got aggressive on the trade market/free agency and acted like they wanted to win the Championship. If they don't somehow manage to end up Top 3 in the West this year, it can only be down to injury.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 01, 2019, 12:19:07 AM
So this is how the deal for D'lo went.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145533354730766338
Damnit Shams

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Warriors are on verge of acquiring Russell, Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier from Brooklyn, league sources said.

Looks like the Warriors need to unload some salary to make this work so Iggy could be on the move.

From Woj:
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Golden State is trading Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies, league source tells ESPN. Warriors are sending a 2024 protected first-round pick in the 2024 (protected 1-4), 2025 (protected 1) and 2026 unprotected.

This is how the Warriors end up after the Iggy trade.
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W/ Iguodala trade, Russell and Klay both maxes and dump Livingston's GT, GSW 5 players.  A mere $18.2m below the hard cap to fill out 9 roster slots. Even if they keep McKinnie, Graham, Napier NG, $13.1m for 6. Goodbye Looney, Cousins, Cook, possibly Bell.
Current Warriors roster
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
D'Angelo Russell
Draymond Green
Alfonzo McKinnie
Jacob Evans
Damian Jones
Jordan Poole
Eric Paschall
Shabazz Napier
Treveon Graham
Alen Smailagic
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2019, 02:32:41 AM
No, Not Iggy!!!?
No, Not Looney!!? (that was a confusing one to type out....)

Good Bye Cousins, goodbye Bell....
Cook could've been better.

and... who?
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Eric Paschall
Shabazz Napier
Treveon Graham
Alen Smailagic

no idea who those people are. I assume they are just drafted rookies?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 01, 2019, 03:09:30 AM
Shabazz Napier has been in the league for 5 years and Treveon Gram is a 3 year player came over in the Nets trade and I don't think they are rookies . .   The Warriors drafted Poole, Paschall and Smailagic.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 01, 2019, 03:12:26 AM
Question... So the Warriors offered Qualifying offers to Bell, Cook and Damian Lee. Can they go over the cap to sign them back or will they have to let them go because they are over the cap now?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2019, 09:56:11 AM
Question... So the Warriors offered Qualifying offers to Bell, Cook and Damian Lee. Can they go over the cap to sign them back or will they have to let them go because they are over the cap now?

All 3 fall on the "Early Bird" or "Non-Early Bird" exceptions. Warriors can sign them for between 120%-175% of their previous salary or the league minimum, whichever is higher.

I honestly don't know what to make of this new look Warriors. Short term it will allow the team to stay competitive and the idea of teams having to gameplan for both Steph and DLo sounds like a nightmare. Triple worse once Klay comes back. But our lack of size is really worrying.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2019, 12:15:11 PM
Shabazz does sound familiar now that I think about it.

Next season will be interesting for the Warriors. UMVP Curry is going to need to be present along side DPOY Draymond. D-Lo gonna need dry ice in his veins, and we just might have something going here.
Klay comes back just before ASB and we could be OK....

But rumors of Kawhi on the Lakers keep getting traction.
If that's true... my boy is gonna be happy as the Lakers instantly become favorites to top the league next season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
Shabazz is barely a slightly above replacement-level. Honestly I still love Livingston more than him but there's very little we could get in return for him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 01, 2019, 04:07:33 PM
Well the Lakers made their first move. Troy Daniels for the minimum. Great 3 point shooter not that good defender. No cap used so that is telling me something.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 01, 2019, 05:11:20 PM
So I'm busy with Canada Day events and only half following the trade deadline... but am I right that both LA teams and Toronto have done virtually nothing but wait for Kawhi?  And that's going to be basically the last big event to happen?

Raptors only had an outside shot of keeping him despite the good result last year. However, the "all in for 2019" gamble paid off and they couldn't really afford any free agents even if Kawhi left... so if he chooses to go they'll be a good (not great) team and nobody will be shocked.

However, both the Lakers and Clippers seem like they were counting heavily on adding him to their team. This might be a TERRIBLE free agency period for either if they miss out, especially given how little talent is left (and how few players the Lakers currently have).

Drama!  It's exciting!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2019, 05:26:22 PM
I wasn't expecting almost every domino piece to fall in the first 24 hours.

EDIT:
Shabazz is barely a slightly above replacement-level. Honestly I still love Livingston more than him but there's very little we could get in return for him.

Not even 4 hours later. Napier and Graham are moving to Minny.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1145805963036962816?s=20
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
Regarding Lakers/Kawhi Leonard, this (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/7/1/20676798/lakers-free-agent-rumors-kawhi-leonard-magic-johnson-trade-medical-team-staff-uncle-dennis) is a really interesting read. Here's the Spark Notes version:

1. Leonard asked Magic if the Lakers tried to trade for him last summer. Magic said, "Yes," but Gregg Poppovich wanted four first round draft picks. That lines up with rumors from last year. I'd have to dig up old articles, but I recall Pop demanding the entire young core, multiple draft picks, possibly a third team to get an impact veteran, and he still wasn't really serious about dealing Leonard to the Lakers.

2. Dennis Robertson AKA Uncle Dennis (Kawhi's uncle and chief advisor) asked Magic about the organizational dysfunction. Magic admitted there were issues but deflected and said they were in the past, likening it to how "you fight with your brothers and sisters sometimes." He also said it isn't about playing for the front office but the franchise itself, joining the greats lake Kareem and Kobe, and how Kawhi can win more championships because the Lakers already have two superstars and Kawhi won't have to put as much stress on his body.

3. Kawhi Leonard wanted to know if he could bring his own training/medical staff which is what LeBron did last year. Magic again said yes because "[the Lakers] do those things for superstar players."

Anyway, things are definitely ramping up. A lot of analysts put the Lakers in the driver's seat. Leonard and his camp were asking questions one would only ask if things were getting serious. The training/medical staff thing is especially interesting. Seems like Leonard wants the same or better treatment than LeBron James. Honestly, the Lakers DGAF. They make so much money that they'll pay whoever whatever because staff isn't capped.

It certainly looks like Kawhi taking his time = surveying the rest of the league. The Sixers lost to the Raptors on a last second shot in Game 7, and they got better after trading Jimmy Butler. Leonard could sign a one-and-one, but he'll most likely have to face the Sixers at some point. In 2020, Kevin Durant comes back, and the Lakers may be off the table because they won't have a max slot next year unless Anthony Davis takes less because his cap hold is higher than his 2019 salary.

And if anyone was wondering who the media's source is, it's probably Magic Johnson who honestly just can't seem to shut the **** up ever. I like Magic as much as the next person, but come on...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2019, 06:05:26 PM
Heat, 76ers, Clippers, Blazers Agree To Four-Team Jimmy Butler Trade (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/254665/Heat-76ers-Clippers-Blazers-Agree-To-Four-Team-Jimmy-Butler-Trade)

Finally completed. Well, not officially until Saturday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 01, 2019, 07:56:31 PM
... The Sixers lost to the Raptors on a last second shot in Game 7, ...

I don't know how much impressions from that series are worth - it was an ugly slugfest, with injuries and sickness and shooting slumps and inconsistency. Surely neither side would look at that series and think they approached their best ball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 01, 2019, 09:12:36 PM
Looney is back, baby! 3 years, 15 million.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 01, 2019, 10:56:01 PM
So now the Suns have a backup power forward behind Dario Saric in Frank Kaminisky for 2 years/10 million.
The room exception will be used for this deal.  They still have to extend Kelly Oubre Jr but for now the Suns really only need to do cap clearing in Josh Jackson and all those point guards.

Here is the starting line up for the Suns with depth.
 Ricky Rubio, Devin Booker, Kelly Oubre Jr, Dario Saric and Deandre Ayton
Bench is this.  Tyler Johnson / Ty Jerome, Cameron Johnson, Mikal Bridges, Frank Kaminsky, Aron Baynes

Now with a somewhat decent team now I may go see an actual Suns game this season. I have seen lots of Mercury games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 02, 2019, 07:05:52 PM
I look at that Suns lineup, on paper, and just don't feel anything. There are a couple of nice pieces, but Phoenix has been the source of so much losing and dysfunction for years now that they (ie: the team, not the individuals) have to prove they can win before getting any benefit of the doubt.

Hopefully they prove me wrong. There is enough raw talent there to put up a good show if they play well together, and both Booker and Ayton have potential to be special players.

Looney is back, baby! 3 years, 15 million.

So Looney isn't about to be a dominant center or a force that shakes the league and forces opponents to change their plans... but this seems like a great contract for the Warriors doesn't it? Only paying $5M per year for a reliable starting-caliber center is great, even if he is just a (really good) role player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 02, 2019, 07:31:26 PM
The Suns on paper is better than they were the past few years and I think in part it is because they have a decent point guard now. The time I have been in Phoenix (3 years) they have had like 6 or 7 different point guards. Some of them drafted and some traded in and they weren't very good with Booker. I will say on paper I can see them maybe winning 35 to 40 games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 02, 2019, 07:55:15 PM
Looks like the Lakers got Jared Dudley for one year for 2.6 mil on a minimum contract. I did like him in the playoffs this past year versus the 76ers and his fiestyness versus Embed.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 02, 2019, 07:56:40 PM
The Jazz have signed The Wizards' Jeff Green to a 1 year, $2.5 million contract.

That's probably the last major move the Jazz make this offseason. I think we ran out of money 2 free agents ago and are coasting by on trade exceptions.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/2/20680288/2019-nba-free-agency-utah-jazz-sign-forward-jeff-green-to-one-year-contract (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/2/20680288/2019-nba-free-agency-utah-jazz-sign-forward-jeff-green-to-one-year-contract)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 02, 2019, 08:50:43 PM
Dany Green has narrowed down his choices for his free agency. Lakers, Raptors and the Mavericks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 02, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
Looks like the Jazz just found their replacement for Raul Neto as backup backup Point Guard for when the corpse of Dante Exum gets injured again: the Knicks' Emmanuel Mudiay. Another 1 year contract.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/2/20680430/2019-nba-free-agency-utah-jazz-sign-emmanuel-mudiay-to-one-year-contract (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/2/20680430/2019-nba-free-agency-utah-jazz-sign-emmanuel-mudiay-to-one-year-contract)

This offseason just keeps getting better and better for the Knicks. Don't know what to make of this signing. The write-up seems to indicate that this one might be a bit of a project.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 03, 2019, 07:26:22 AM
Thoughts about Willie Cauley-Stein signing on the cheap in Golden State? I rarely see the Kings play, but he always looked good when I caught a game. Getting a young big like that super cheap seems like a huge win for the Warriors?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2019, 08:54:37 AM
Thoughts about Willie Cauley-Stein signing on the cheap in Golden State? I rarely see the Kings play, but he always looked good when I caught a game. Getting a young big like that super cheap seems like a huge win for the Warriors?
Maybe they are building for the future and developing players for when Steph,Klay and Green are not around and it is an easy and cheep way of helping their bench which has been critized this past season.  I like it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2019, 09:27:56 AM
Thoughts about Willie Cauley-Stein signing on the cheap in Golden State? I rarely see the Kings play, but he always looked good when I caught a game. Getting a young big like that super cheap seems like a huge win for the Warriors?
Excellent signing because the Warriors’ lack size. He’s a raw talent that can use a better situation to take his game to a new level. Additionally, this is exactly what I meant when y’all were dunking on guys who sign for the minimum (though I think Cauley-Stein signed for slightly above the minimum). Players who take less aren’t always just end of the bench guys. It depends on what else they can get that don’t have monetary value. The Warriors can offer Willie Cauley-Stein meaningful minutes/a chance to rebuild his value on a winning team, structure, veterans with championship pedigree, probably a better training staff than the Kings, definitely a better coaching staff etc. etc.

Cauley-Stein’s agent subtly blamed the Kings for his client’s stunted development. It doesn’t matter if that’s on the Kings or Cauley-Stein himself. Maybe his ceiling is “good role player” rather than star, and that’s okay. Ultimately, he gets a fresh start in a better situation than the cesspit that the Kings have been for nearly 20 years. Players will take less if a team can provide intangibles. Cauley-Stein gets to learn from Curry, Thompson, and Green who are going to hold him accountable the way he wasn’t on the Kings. That may be the best thing he can do for his career at this point then he can reenter free agency next year in a better place professionally and (hopefully) get the contract he wants.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
Looks like the Suns have cleared the nessessary cap space to sign Rubio outright.  Suns sent Josh Jackson, De'Anthony Melton and two second round picks to the Grizzlies.  This does make some sense for the grizzlies since they are rebuilding. Grizzlies are sending over Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter. Korver is likely going to be bought out.

Only Okobo is left on possible players that need to be moved.

Lineup for the Suns:  PG - Ricky Rubio, Tyler Johnson, Ty Jerome, Jevon Carter, Jalen Lecque
SG - Devin Booker, Cameron Johnson
SF - Kelly Oubre Jr., Mikal Bridges
PF - Dario Saric, Frank Kaminsky
C - Deandre Ayton, Aron Baynes
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 03, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
Looks like the Suns have cleared the nessessary cap space to sign Rubio outright.  Suns sent Josh Jackson, De'Anthony Melton and two second round picks to the Grizzlies.  This does make some sense for the grizzlies since they are rebuilding. Grizzlies are sending over Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter. Korver is likely going to be bought out.

Only Okobo is left on possible players that need to be moved.

Lineup for the Suns:  PG - Ricky Rubio, Tyler Johnson, Ty Jerome, Jevon Carter, Jalen Lecque
SG - Devin Booker, Cameron Johnson
SF - Kelly Oubre Jr., Mikal Bridges
PF - Dario Saric, Frank Kaminsky
C - Deandre Ayton, Aron Baynes

I'm going to laugh if after ALL that, Korver ends up right back on the Jazz again.  ;)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
Looks like the Suns have cleared the nessessary cap space to sign Rubio outright.  Suns sent Josh Jackson, De'Anthony Melton and two second round picks to the Grizzlies.  This does make some sense for the grizzlies since they are rebuilding. Grizzlies are sending over Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter. Korver is likely going to be bought out.

Only Okobo is left on possible players that need to be moved.

Lineup for the Suns:  PG - Ricky Rubio, Tyler Johnson, Ty Jerome, Jevon Carter, Jalen Lecque
SG - Devin Booker, Cameron Johnson
SF - Kelly Oubre Jr., Mikal Bridges
PF - Dario Saric, Frank Kaminsky
C - Deandre Ayton, Aron Baynes

I'm going to laugh if after ALL that, Korver ends up right back on the Jazz again.  ;)
Reports are saying the Lakers, Bucks and 76ers are the front runners for Korver from what I have  read.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 03, 2019, 09:19:53 PM
So Jalen Rose is "99% certain" that Kawhi is heading back to the Raptors. Which sounds to me like nobody outside of Kawhi's camp has any idea yet - although with warnings from Kawhi's camp that teams shouldn't leak any information maybe that's not accurate?

Feels like his decision is in the home stretch now though! Fourth of July announcement maybe?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
So Jalen Rose is "99% certain" that Kawhi is heading back to the Raptors. Which sounds to me like nobody outside of Kawhi's camp has any idea yet - although with warnings from Kawhi's camp that teams shouldn't leak any information maybe that's not accurate?

Feels like his decision is in the home stretch now though! Fourth of July announcement maybe?
Yeah I think lots of folks are just speculating at this point.  Jalen also said that Kawhi was going to the Clippers a few days ago with I think Butler. So we shall see. I guess his uncles birthday is on Friday so I kinda expect a decision either tonight or tomorrow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 03, 2019, 11:27:54 PM
Okay so I guess Kawhi isn't deciding tonight or tomorrow. If we get past the 6th then the AD trade goes through and the Lakers can only offer 27 mil to prospective free agents.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 04, 2019, 08:34:59 AM
Happy Independence Day to my neighbors in the south.
Hope you all enjoy the celebrations, stay proud of your country, and be brave enough to fight for what you believe in.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 04, 2019, 10:55:11 AM

I'm going to laugh if after ALL that, Korver ends up right back on the Jazz again.  ;)

It would be like that one commercial where that MLB player kept getting traded. During practice, then while getting ready to play, and then while on the plane headed to his next team.
I tried to find the video, but had no luck. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 05, 2019, 08:50:59 PM
Well the free agency moratorium ends at Noon EST tomorrow and if the AD deal goes through then the Lakers have less money to offer Kawhi and/or any prospective players who does want to go to the Lakers they will have less to work with.  Now I don't know if the Pels, Hawks and Wizards will want to wait or not past the moratorium period tomorrow.  The League is waiting on Kawhi to make a choice now that he has met with all 3 teams. From my understanding Kawhi is in San Diego celebrating his uncles birthday today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 05, 2019, 09:02:53 PM
I’m sure Leonard is aware of the Lakers cap situation. He’ll either make his decision in the next 12 to 14 hours or he just doesn’t care about losing out on a few million dollars if he picks the Lakers (imagine being that rich). The Anthony Davis trade probably doesn’t become official at noon on the dot. All trades must be conducted with all teams involved on the same phone call with the league. A lot of trades are happening tomorrow so it’ll happen at some point, but there’s some leeway if Leonard continues dragging his feet past noon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 05, 2019, 11:32:59 PM
Looks like the Pels, Hawks, and Wizards will delay the trade if Kawhi doesn't decide on Saturday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 12:51:48 AM
Just saw this.  21 different players and 6 teams is connected one way or another with the AD trade.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 06, 2019, 01:54:54 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147383197640134656?s=20

lol

On the bright side, now the Lakers have all the cap room they can use to sign--bwahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha...


EDIT: OH **** PG TO THE CLIPPERS TOO

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147383639036092416

EDIT 2: Kawhi pushed George into joining the Clippers and PG then requested a trade. Get fucked Russ.

OKC actually got a good deal. 4 unprotected 1st rounders. 1 protected 1st rounder, 2 pick swaps.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 06, 2019, 02:04:09 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147383197640134656?s=20

lol

On the bright side, now the Lakers have all the cap room they can use to sign--bwahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha...


EDIT: OH **** PG TO THE CLIPPERS TOO

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1147383639036092416

is that legit?

Kawhi to the Clippers?
OKC trading PG13 to the Clippers for a substantial haul of picks?

The West gonna be so wild next season if that's true. LOL

edit: It's Legit...
"The Clippers are sending the Thunder four unprotected first-round picks, one protected first-round pick and two pick swaps"
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 06, 2019, 02:30:29 AM
The Lakers just gave Danny Green 2 years, 30 mil.

Good job, Rob.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 04:31:56 AM
Kcp coming back to the Lakers. 2 year/ 16 million and Javal McGee is returning 2 year/8.2 mil deal with a player option.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 08:11:53 AM
Well with these moves from the Lakers they have 11 mil left in cap space.

The Lakers do need a starting point guard and maybe Lin or Trey Burke is an option there. Get Caruso back on the qualifying offer and sign Rondo for the minimum.  The other option is maybe have Lebron run point with Danny Green at the SG, Kuzma as SF, AD as PF and McGee at center if they don't get Cousins with the exception or vet min.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 08:19:03 AM
Collective sigh of relief from the rest of the league.

Leonard to the Clippers alone didn't make much sense to me. Max Kellerman was calling that team title favorites. With Paul George, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Everything I said about the Lakers trading a bunch of picks for Anthony Davis applies to the Clippers. They won't need those picks as long as they have guys people want to play with. There's value in the buy out market and minimum salary players looking for playing time/title contention etc. etc. I won't say I'm not disappointed. Leonard on the Lakers would have been amazing. Still, I like competitive basketball, and the balance of power is a lot more even now.

The Lakers are doing fine filling out the roster. The 2020 free agent market is not great so signing Danny Green, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and JaVale McGee to two-year deals makes sense. They're positioning themselves to have the latter two with Bird Rights in 2021 when LeBron James can opt out. All three are tradable assets. The Lakers currently have eight players. A lot of the splashier names are off the board, but I wouldn't want to sign some of those guys to the contracts they got in either years or dollars depending on the player.
Well with these moves from the Lakers they have 11 mil left in cap space.
Help me with the math; I was an English major. I have the Lakers with about $5 million plus the room MLE left. I would definitely bring back Alex Caruso. I'm sure the Lakers are looking into DeMarcus Cousins, Quinn Cook, Trey Burke, and Marcus Morris. If they get all of them, that's still a solid roster. The Lakers are likely holding out hope they can eventually snag Andre Iguodala and Goran Dragić on the buyout market. The Grizzlies and The Heat are currently exploring trades though.

I expect the Lakers to sign Carmelo Anthony. I don't have to like it. You can't make me.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 06, 2019, 09:31:25 AM
I'm just thinking about all the potential playoff matchups next year in the West and I get bummed out. One of these teams is going to be stuck with an impossible series in the FIRST ROUND. End playoff seeding by conference already.

EDIT: Also Russ and PG13 to the Raptors was on the table.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27131637/sources-fear-lakers-dynasty-drove-clips-deal
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 10:17:46 AM
The Lakers signed Quinn Cook, two years $6 million.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 11:11:02 AM
Collective sigh of relief from the rest of the league.

Leonard to the Clippers alone didn't make much sense to me. Max Kellerman was calling that team title favorites. With Paul George, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Everything I said about the Lakers trading a bunch of picks for Anthony Davis applies to the Clippers. They won't need those picks as long as they have guys people want to play with. There's value in the buy out market and minimum salary players looking for playing time/title contention etc. etc. I won't say I'm not disappointed. Leonard on the Lakers would have been amazing. Still, I like competitive basketball, and the balance of power is a lot more even now.

The Lakers are doing fine filling out the roster. The 2020 free agent market is not great so signing Danny Green, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and JaVale McGee to two-year deals makes sense. They're positioning themselves to have the latter two with Bird Rights in 2021 when LeBron James can opt out. All three are tradable assets. The Lakers currently have eight players. A lot of the splashier names are off the board, but I wouldn't want to sign some of those guys to the contracts they got in either years or dollars depending on the player.
Well with these moves from the Lakers they have 11 mil left in cap space.
Help me with the math; I was an English major. I have the Lakers with about $5 million plus the room MLE left. I would definitely bring back Alex Caruso. I'm sure the Lakers are looking into DeMarcus Cousins, Quinn Cook, Trey Burke, and Marcus Morris. If they get all of them, that's still a solid roster. The Lakers are likely holding out hope they can eventually snag Andre Iguodala and Goran Dragić on the buyout market. The Grizzlies and The Heat are currently exploring trades though.

I expect the Lakers to sign Carmelo Anthony. I don't have to like it. You can't make me.
Lets assume these are flat contracts with no bonuses and the Lakers have spent 30 mil of the 32 mil. However since the Lakers have signed 4 players using the cap they get back the minimum roster holds. So that is 3.6 mil and then the 2 mil and that leaves 5.6 mil and the room exception of 4.9 mil. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 06, 2019, 11:33:40 AM
Aww... That's a shame for the Raptors. I don't know what the thought process was from Kawhi; maybe Toronto was never really in it, maybe they would have retained him if the George trade fell through. Either way, it feels like they left everything on the table and Leonard just preferred to go home.

Lakers are doing a nice job with (I think) smart contracts post-decision. If the two stars stay healthy, should be a fun team to watch and their ceiling looks much higher than a year ago.

Clippers look great. People might be down on them dropping all of those draft picks, but barring significant injury issues those picks won't be very high anyway and I'd give up long-odds draft picks for two bonafide superstars any day. 

I feel bad that the (Clippers) traded away SGA. He looked really good last year, and would have been a great fit with the team going forward. How scary would SGA, George, and Leonard as your starting front court for the next few years look? And I liked the way that LA was developing him as a player... not sure how that will go in OKC.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 06, 2019, 01:07:12 PM
Just finished a good article about this offseason's signings. Apparently, the current NBA Commissioner's been trying to get rid of NBA "superteams", and we seem to be at the point where that is the case.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/6/20684174/2019-nba-free-agency-los-angeles-clippers-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-steve-ballmer-adam-silver-parity (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/7/6/20684174/2019-nba-free-agency-los-angeles-clippers-kawhi-leonard-paul-george-steve-ballmer-adam-silver-parity)

It should be a really interesting season next year with at least 4 teams in both conferences having a legit shot at making the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:29 PM
So who are our best guesses at Title Contenders in the East and the West for this upcoming 19/20 Season?

Top 5 in each conference (will the East have that many?).

In the West I can already see:
Clippers
Lakers
...
... (Jazz? Blazers? Rockets?)
Warriors

In the East:
...
:tumbleweed:
76ers
... I have no idea what happened in the East...
... Pacers, Bucks?

Someone clue me in, I didn't follow all the trades
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 02:13:00 PM
So who are our best guesses at Title Contenders in the East and the West for this upcoming 19/20 Season?

Top 5 in each conference (will the East have that many?).

In the West I can already see:
Clippers
Lakers
...
... (Jazz? Blazers? Rockets?)
Warriors

In the East:
...
:tumbleweed:
76ers
... I have no idea what happened in the East...
... Pacers, Bucks?

Someone clue me in, I didn't follow all the trades

Here go fave this page and read it often.
 https://www.nba.com/2019-offseason-reported-deals-team-list
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 03:17:07 PM
1 year/3.5 mil deal for Cousins and a 2 year/ min deal for Rondo on the Lakers. This is okay considering Boogie, AD  and Rondo have played on the Pels together.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 03:38:44 PM
According to Eric Pencus the Lakers should have 9.7 mil left in cap space without the cap holds/7.9 with Carusos hold. https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/1147588634255622144
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
The Lakers are doing well filling out the roster. I wasn’t really worried about it. Even now, there are still some decent rotation players available (unless I missed some other moves). If you have a chance to sign Kawhi Leonard, you go for it. Not upset at all that they were all in for Leonard. More importantly, a side benefit to waiting is that they didn’t overpay on anyone except maybe Danny Green and that isn’t even egregious. According to Brian Windhorst, Green apparently had a standing offer from the Mavericks for three years, $36 million. Basically, the Lakers paid him $3 million extra per year to take one fewer year. He’s 32. That isn’t a terrible contract for a solid 3-and-D player, and he’s going to get a ton of open looks this year. The Lakers are clearly planning for 2021 free agency. The best free agent next summer is (almost) on the team and expected to re-sign.

Obviously, missing out on a talent like Kawhi Leonard sucks. No way to sugarcoat it. Despite that, the Lakers have done a pretty good job since. They actually got some shooters.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 04:08:34 PM
I think the main person in the laker blogosphere I am seeing is Marcus Morris but he may not come.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
Zion is out for the rest of the summer league with a bruised left knee.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1147600250653368320
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 06, 2019, 04:21:30 PM
So who are our best guesses at Title Contenders in the East and the West for this upcoming 19/20 Season?

Top 5 in each conference (will the East have that many?).

In the West I can already see:
Clippers
Lakers
...
... (Jazz? Blazers? Rockets?)
Warriors

In the East:
...
:tumbleweed:
76ers
... I have no idea what happened in the East...
... Pacers, Bucks?

Someone clue me in, I didn't follow all the trades

I don't really follow the Leastern Conference, but let's see...

West:

- Jazz
- Lakers
- Clippers
- Warriors
- Pelicans

East:

- Nets
- Pacers
- 76ers
- Raptors
- Bucks
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
I think the main person in the laker blogosphere I am seeing is Marcus Morris but he may not come.
Yeah, I'm hoping the Lakers can sign both Avery Bradley and Marcus Morris.

PG: Bradley, Rondo, Cook, Caruso
SG: Green, Caldwell-Pope, Daniels, Horton-Tucker
C: Davis, Cousins, McGee
SF: James, Dudley
PF: Kuzma, Morris

With that lineup, I wouldn't be that upset if the Lakers threw Carmelo Anthony a bone. Morris trolled a fan asking him to join the Lakers. He may be having some fun or is hoping to get a larger contract than the Lakers can offer. Cap space around the league is running low.

Still, I'd love to see them offer Pau Gasol a roster spot, but I think the Lakers may keep a spot or two open for the buyout market. Who wouldn't want Andre Iguodala? I'm not sure the Grizzlies will find decent value for him on the trade market. He's on the last year of his deal and expects to get bought out. That said, I believe the Mavericks still have that trade exception.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 05:48:28 PM
The Spurs landed Marcus Morris for two years, $20 million. I was really hoping the Lakers could pull that off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 06:53:55 PM
The Spurs landed Marcus Morris for two years, $20 million. I was really hoping the Lakers could pull that off.
Spurs have been going after the Lakers options since the draft. They took Luka Saminac then. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/6/20/18693432/2019-nba-draft-lakers-second-round-pick-options-talen-horton-tucker-jontay-porter-luka-samanic
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 07:12:44 PM
The Lakers bring back Alex Caruso for two years, $5.5 million. Good. Never forget. Bald Mamba! (https://youtu.be/OEUl_tBgOPk)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
The Lakers bring back Alex Caruso for two years, $5.5 million. Good.
He's earned it after what he did during the tail end of the year when pretty much everyone was injured.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
There are some gems in the G-League.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 07:26:05 PM
I think the Lakers either have no cap space and the room exception or very little cap space and no room exception depending on if McGee got the exception or took from cap space.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
I think this is where we are at as far as players go.

PG:Alex Caruso, Quinn Cook, Rajon Rondo
SG:Danny Green, KCP, Troy Daniels
SF:Lebron James,Kyle Kuzma, Tallen Horton Tucker(rookie)
PF:Anthony Davis, Jared Dudley, Johnathon Williams(QO recended)
C:Demarcus Cousins, Javale McGee
2 way contract: and Zach Norvell Jr.

The Lakers did extend the qualifying offer to Caruso and Williams before free agency started so if THT and J Will comes to the main roster that would leave one roster spot left if not then 3 roster spots. If memory serves Caruso was on a 2 way deal along with Williams to end the season so that opens up one of those two way slots for Zach Norvell Jr. Lakers did recend the QO to Williams today. Could come back on another 2 way contract or minimum deal.

Looks like we have the Room exception of 4.9 mil and min contracts to fill out the roster.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 07:59:14 PM
The Lakers signed Zach Norvell Jr. to a two-way contract. He’s been the best player on the Summer League roster.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2019, 09:39:06 PM
The Lakers signed Zach Norvell Jr. to a two-way contract. He’s been the best player on the Summer League roster.
That he has unfortunately I think due to rest he wasn't able to play versus the Clippers. Summer League roster came back from 22 in the 2nd half to tie it but they were not able to finish them off without THT and Zach Norvell Jr. 93-87

Looks like the Lakers are making the signings today official. The Lakers just announced that they have officially signed Quinn Cook, DeMarcus Cousins, Danny Green, Javalle McGee and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope.   Now waiting on Daniels, Dudley, Rondo, Caruso and the AD trade to go through.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
I made the terrible mistake of reading some comments from Lakers fans who are hella butthurt about Kawhi Leonard signing with the Clippers. He’s “scum” and he “played the Lakers [and Raptors]” and [they] “hope he injuries his quad again.” That is in extremely poor taste. Fucking worst.

I hate any fan who has this kind of attitude when it comes to team sports. It sucks the fun out of arbitrarily rooting for a team. FFS, the Lakers are finally going to be good again this season (granted would have been better with Kawhi).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 07, 2019, 12:12:15 AM
Out of those 3 the only thing I would say the Laker fans you are talking about is how he went behind the Lakers and Raptors back and tried to get a second star to join him with the Clippers.  I guess he tried to get KD to go with him and then there was reports of Jimmy Butler and then the reports of Kawhi asking for the change of venue for the meeting with Jennie and Pelinka and then meeting with Paul George shortly after the meeting where he didn't say much with the Laker front office. Then he had the Lakers request to extend the trade for AD to later today or even till tomorrow but then 2 hours later the PG trade was announced and he went to the Clippers. It felt like he wasn't giving all 3 teams a shot. Not to mention there was some reports that the Raptors had a trade in place to get Westbrook, George and Kawhi on the Raptors but that was an option but LeBron, AD were here waiting for a third in Kawhi all week.

Other than that yeah I totally agree those other comments shouldn't be made.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 07, 2019, 10:59:32 PM
So I saw this on Bright Side of the sun's blog and it stated that 3 of the players that were draft day trades this year were not able to practice with the team because of the moratorium and they needed cap space to be traded into. https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019/7/7/20685350/cam-johnson-ty-jerome-jevon-carter-out-summer-league-phoenix-suns

I think the off season in general needs to be changed somehow.  I mean there was lots of draft day trades this year and you would see these drafted players wearing say the Lakers hat but that player would be traded to the Hawks.  I also feel like the order needs to change somewhat. Like maybe move back the summer league so all transactions are done by the moratorium and these incoming players will be on the right time and they have some chance to gel with their team and practice with them.  Maybe have the draft a few weeks after the NBA Finals and then have free agency as a whole and then team practices and then summer league and then preseason and then the season. Just some thoughts.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 08, 2019, 02:31:07 PM
Avery Bradley for the Room exception for the Lakers. 2 year 9.7 million with a player option in the second year. One roster slot left. Either Iggy if he gets bought out or Kenith Faried on the minimum to round out our forward players are my options. 

Only question I might have is who gets the #0 jersey between him and Kuzma. :P



Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 08, 2019, 04:40:53 PM
I know you take Kawhi if you can get him and worry about the rest of the roster later... but the Lakers fans here must be kinda happy about how the overall team is looking, aren't you?  Haven't followed super close, but my only minor complaint is that (like everyone else) some more shooting wouldn't hurt.

...
East:

- Nets
- Pacers
- 76ers
- Raptors
- Bucks

Agree that there won't be much change this year.

Bucks and Sixers should be the class of the East, and either team could make waves in the Finals if things break their way.

Celtics should improve and are the most likely team to show a improvement in the standings. The roster doesn't feel finished, but still has enough talent if they overcome chemistry issues of the past. (I think roster changes will help in that regard.)

Nets need Durant to play to be a great team; give them a year and they'll be knocking on the door, but don't expect a jump in the standings while Durant is on the bench.

Heat with Butler should be playoff bound, but it's hard to picture them getting a top-4 seed.

Orlando could be great if Fultz is suddenly great. Don't hold your breath.

Detroit should limp into the playoffs (if healthy) but is doubtful for second round.

Hawks have some nice pieces, but are so young that I don't trust them to win yet.

The biggest question for me is how far the Raptors fall. They were just under 60 wins last year with Kawhi sitting 20ish games for load management and a litany of injuries to starters and key players. Rolling back "as is" would leave them a solid playoff team, probably a second-round exit... but it might be smarter to take any assets available in trade for veteran players like Lowry and Gasol and drop further in the standings? Hard to say; Masai Ujiri has pulled some bold moves in the past, so who knows what his plan will be this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 08, 2019, 04:54:10 PM
I wouldn't worry about the Raptors falling too far. They're still in the Eastern Conference, where mediocrity reigns supreme. They still get to beat up on the worst teams in the league on a regular basis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 08, 2019, 08:23:25 PM
The reigning 3 to 5 teams in the East are pretty damn good. It's just that they have a lot of mediocre company.
;)

This just in: statistically, the Raptors are guaranteed to win the championship for the next two years! 
(What stupic statistic am I cherry-picking here? The recent signing of Patrick McCaw to a two year deal. His team has won more games over the past three years than any other. He has won the championship every year since joining the league. Don't hate on the analytics.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 09, 2019, 12:21:18 AM
Patrick McCaw is just Norris Cole 2.0.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 09, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
Patrick McCaw is just Norris Cole 2.0.

Not a bad comparison at all!

McCaw makes a better joke though, because of unexpectedly (to most) winning a third time after signing with the Raptors last year. I don't mean that to be as negative as it sounds - he's still a pro and works hard, I just don't think he's really the kind of X-factor that would determine who wins a championship.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 09, 2019, 09:24:55 PM
https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1148762773595328512?s=20

I know the commissioner of any league is supposed to carry water for the owners but c'mon man, maybe don't make it this obvious?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 09, 2019, 09:40:39 PM
The Spurs landed Marcus Morris for two years, $20 million to the Spurs. I was really hoping the Lakers could pull that off.
This deal has been changed. He is going to the Knicks after the Knicks found extra cap space from the reworked Reggie Bullock deal.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 09, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
So in the past few months I have been watching Raptors content and I came across one that I liked and it is a podcast with Danny Green called Inside the Green Room. He just wrapped up his last episode for Canada and he will be continuing the podcast in LA. This last one was about the free agency process, some of the difficulties he had the week leading into free agency, Thoughts on the Lakers and what he can bring to the team.
https://twitter.com/YahooCASports/status/1148727739169562626
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 10, 2019, 11:57:50 PM
Kawhi Leonard signed a three year deal with a player option to match years with Paul George’s contract. They can reenter free agency in 2021. This is win-win for Leonard. He gets an early out if things don’t mesh. Either way, he’ll be eligible for the 10-year max in a year when teams are angling to have cap space again.

The Clippers gave up a lot of picks for possibly a two-year title window. 100 times out of 100, you make that move. It’s still super risky. The Clippers better hope Kawhi and PG don’t leave in 2021 because they have no protections on draft picks for the next five years starting in 2022 when they would absolutely be bad after losing two all-stars for nothing. Now, imagine the Clippers losing said all-stars to the Lakers of all teams... absolute darkest timeline.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2019, 12:38:22 AM
Kawhi Leonard signed a three year deal with a player option to match years with Paul George’s contract. They can reenter free agency in 2021. This is win-win for Leonard. He gets an early out if things don’t mesh. Either way, he’ll be eligible for the 10-year max in a year when teams are angling to have cap space again.

The Clippers gave up a lot of picks for possibly a two-year title window. 100 times out of 100, you make that move. It’s still super risky. The Clippers better hope Kawhi and PG don’t leave in 2021 because they have no protections on draft picks for the next five years starting in 2022 when they would absolutely be bad after losing two all-stars for nothing. Now, imagine the Clippers losing said all-stars to the Lakers of all teams... absolute darkest timeline.
Everyone is shooting for that 2021 free agency class. Giannis being the main one before the free agency moves this year but now there is LeBron, Kawhi, Paul George, DeRozan, McCollum, Jrue Holiday, Gobert, AD, Beal, Oladipo, Randle, Danny Green, Zion, Ja Morant, Ayton, RJ Barrett, Lonzo Ball, Luka, Trae Young, Fox, Coby White, and Kuzma. Very exciting free agency that one I feel.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 11, 2019, 10:00:46 PM
Russ has been traded to Houston for Chris Paul and a boatload of picks (yet again). Russ gets to play with Harden again and enjoy a few years of second round exits. OKC now has the following situation in terms of 1st round picks:

2020 Own (1-20)
2020 Denver (11-30)
2021 Own (Can swap with Houston 5-30)
2021 Miami (Can swap with Houston 5-30)
2022 Own (1-14)
2022 Clippers
2023 Own (Can swap with Clippers)
2023 Miami (15-30)
2024 Own
2024 Houston (5-30)
2024 Clippers
2025 Own (can swap with Clippers/Houston 21-30)
2026 Own
2026 Clippers
2026 Houston (5-30)

Sam Presti is a damn genius.

EDIT: Also CP3 gets $124 million to cosplay late-career Allen Iverson. Congrats, Chris!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2019, 10:58:45 PM
15 first round picks for the next 7 years. OKC  going into full rebuild mode now for the first time since they moved to OKC. 

Question now is Paul staying or if he being traded. Maybe to the Lakers to get a quality point guard and join up with the Lakers in a trade that should of happened sooner(Basketball Reasons)/fellow Banana Boat friend LeBron James or would Miami would be a better fit with Jimmy Butler? 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2019, 11:20:03 PM
So OKC got to dump WB, but in exchange had to take on CP3, but for the inconvenience they also got 15 1st round picks from the Rockets!?

Initially, I thought both teams lost in this trade, but OKC wins this one hands down.
CP3 is a better commander than WB and the treasure trove of picks allows them to rolld the dice multiple times each year in hopes of landing something beyond decent.

I can only imagine the trainwreck of a WB and modern Harden would be.
they both command the ball.
One rushes in to the paint to pass through the chaos at the last second.
the other dribbles the air out the ball and might pass at the last second.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2019, 11:26:43 PM
So OKC got to dump WB, but in exchange had to take on CP3, but for the inconvenience they also got 15 1st round picks from the Rockets!?

Initially, I thought both teams lost in this trade, but OKC wins this one hands down.
CP3 is a better commander than WB and the treasure trove of picks allows them to rolld the dice multiple times each year in hopes of landing something beyond decent.

They didn't get 15 first round picks from the Rockets; they have 15 overall for the next 7 years. Rockets gave OKC their first round picks in 2024 and 2026 with pick swaps in 2021 and 2025.

Sources: Pick protections in Thunder/Rockets, Russell Westbrook/Chris Paul trade:
2024 first round pick, protected 1-4
2026 first round pick, protected 1-4
2025 swap, 1-20 protected
2021 swap, protected 1-4 -- OKC can swap Clippers pick or Heat pick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 11, 2019, 11:47:53 PM
even still, Rockets are gonna be worse next year. LOL

OKC still won that trade.
I just read the story elsewhere and got the details of the trade, so I get it now.
WB had OKC perpetually circling the drain in the 1st round of playoffs, leading with false hopes of triple doubles.. They needed to make a change.
At least they don't have that false hope with CP3.

Who is gonna be the main ball handler on the Rockets next season?
I just don't see how this works. They just gonna take turns?
What's WB gonna do when no one is boxing out just so he can take the rebounds?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 12, 2019, 12:43:59 AM
Also CP3 gets $124 million to cosplay late-career Allen Iverson. Congrats, Chris!
Soren has like all of my favorite posts in this thread.
Question now is Paul staying or if he being traded. Maybe to the Lakers to get a quality point guard and join up with the Lakers in a trade that should of happened sooner(Basketball Reasons)/fellow Banana Boat friend LeBron James or would Miami would be a better fit with Jimmy Butler?
Unless the Lakers give up LeBron James or Anthony Davis, they don’t have the contracts to make that trade work even after December 15.

Anyway, this is an awful trade for the Rockets.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 12, 2019, 12:46:33 AM
even still, Rockets are gonna be worse next year. LOL

OKC still won that trade.
I just read the story elsewhere and got the details of the trade, so I get it now.
WB had OKC perpetually circling the drain in the 1st round of playoffs, leading with false hopes of triple doubles.. They needed to make a change.
At least they don't have that false hope with CP3.

Who is gonna be the main ball handler on the Rockets next season?
I just don't see how this works. They just gonna take turns?
What's WB gonna do when no one is boxing out just so he can take the rebounds?
I mean I think with the Rockets it might work out for them because you have an aggressive point guard who will draw attention and Westbrook is such a good passer that he can pass it out to the many Rockets 3 point threats including Harden. I also think that Capella is going to improve with Westbrook being the facilitator.  The way I see things working is that Westbrook can play on ball most of the game and Harden can play off ball but when the Rockets need clutch shots they can iso with Harden.  I also think that in those times where harden is playing on ball Westbrook can play that mid range game that the Rockets have lacked for several years. With them it is either the 3 ball or up close. I think Westbrook brings that midrange game.

Now as far as both teams if Paul stays with the Thunder then I think they could make it to the second round and lose to one of the LA teams going forward. Maybe the Rockets gel and they may upset one of the LA teams and makes it to the WCF and see where things go from there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2019, 01:06:01 AM
I'm not sure how they can move CP3. I think I saw on Twitter that he was interested in the Heat and Jimmy Butler, but even then his contract is waaay up there.

I try not to blame athletes for taking the money, but if he wanted a title, he should've  made himself cheaper.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 12, 2019, 01:29:29 AM
Well...it seems the Jazz got rid of Grayson Allen (part of the Mike Conley trade) soon enough. He played tonight in the Summer League and racked up 2 flagrant fouls (some say he should have gotten 3) and a technical before he was ejected from the game. That's in addition to the technical he got in his previous Summer League game.

Dude, I'm an Old School NBA fan. The modern NBA is ludicrously soft at times. I'm all for the physical play, but you have to be making a play on the ball and you can't just be a thug. Good riddance.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27172670/grizzlies-allen-ejected-2-flagrants-tech (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27172670/grizzlies-allen-ejected-2-flagrants-tech)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 12, 2019, 02:02:26 AM
I'm not sure how they can move CP3. I think I saw on Twitter that he was interested in the Heat and Jimmy Butler, but even then his contract is waaay up there.
The Heat have the contracts for salary matching purposes. The problem is the Thunder want to move toward not paying the luxury tax or at least a smaller bill. They took on less salary in both of the most recent trades and got a bunch of draft picks. Moving Chris Paul again isn’t impossible. If the Heat are motivated, they can probably figure this out. Goran Dragic, Meyers Leonard, and ballast work for matching purposes. Dragic and Leonard are on expiring deals which is exactly what Sam Presti is looking for. Failing that, the Heat can probably find a third team for help.
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I try not to blame athletes for taking the money, but if he wanted a title, he should've  made himself cheaper.
Chris Paul is president of the NBPA. I vaguely remember reading that signing the contract he did, despite giving up an extra year, was partially symbolic. The ability for players to sign similar max/near-max contracts was a sticking point in negotiations. And if Paul didn’t get that contract, it’d make the players look weak. But yes, dude also wanted to get paid.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 12, 2019, 02:29:29 AM
even still, Rockets are gonna be worse next year. LOL

OKC still won that trade.
I just read the story elsewhere and got the details of the trade, so I get it now.
WB had OKC perpetually circling the drain in the 1st round of playoffs, leading with false hopes of triple doubles.. They needed to make a change.
At least they don't have that false hope with CP3.

Who is gonna be the main ball handler on the Rockets next season?
I just don't see how this works. They just gonna take turns?
What's WB gonna do when no one is boxing out just so he can take the rebounds?
I mean I think with the Rockets it might work out for them because you have an aggressive point guard who will draw attention and Westbrook is such a good passer that he can pass it out to the many Rockets 3 point threats including Harden. I also think that Capella is going to improve with Westbrook being the facilitator.  The way I see things working is that Westbrook can play on ball most of the game and Harden can play off ball but when the Rockets need clutch shots they can iso with Harden.  I also think that in those times where harden is playing on ball Westbrook can play that mid range game that the Rockets have lacked for several years. With them it is either the 3 ball or up close. I think Westbrook brings that midrange game.

Now as far as both teams if Paul stays with the Thunder then I think they could make it to the second round and lose to one of the LA teams going forward. Maybe the Rockets gel and they may upset one of the LA teams and makes it to the WCF and see where things go from there.

But CP3 brought the mid-range game that the Rockets were lacking.... he was literally the only player on the team green-lit to shoot from mid-range. The Rockets were a better team when CP3 was running point and got more of the team active. Problem was that Harden would consistently dribble the air out the ball while the rest of the team stood around waiting for a catch and shoot situation with less than 3 seconds left on the shot clock, assuming Harden didn't shoot it himself.

I don't see how WB improves this situation.....
WB will want the same thing CP3 did, and that is the ball... more often.
(https://i.imgur.com/nPQfl2Y.jpg)

If Harden doesn't have the ball, he tends to stand around and slink out of the play waiting for an opportunity to get the ball back and Iso.

I would love to see them mesh next season, but I see them bumping heads on court like Harden and CP3 did off court.

But the real important question to be answered here is.....
which OKC member is gonna join CP3 in the next series of State Farm commercials (assuming he isn't in Miami already)?
Steven Adams?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 12, 2019, 03:01:53 AM
I kinda think that the past history with Harden and Westbrook on OKC is going to be the thing that will bring the two together and make both of them to figure things out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 12, 2019, 03:03:17 AM
End of the Super Team era of the 2010s.

linky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzRXPvENMSE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2019, 05:30:35 PM
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I try not to blame athletes for taking the money, but if he wanted a title, he should've  made himself cheaper.
Chris Paul is president of the NBPA. I vaguely remember reading that signing the contract he did, despite giving up an extra year, was partially symbolic. The ability for players to sign similar max/near-max contracts was a sticking point in negotiations. And if Paul didn’t get that contract, it’d make the players look weak. But yes, dude also wanted to get paid.

Damn unions.

But serious that makes sense, and I can't say I wouldn't do the same.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 13, 2019, 01:22:28 AM
Something fun you guys might get a kick out of, considering all the back and forth during the Free Agency talks. It's a guy on Youtube summarizing how fans of various teams felt during the various signings.


And...the followup (including the Jazz this time)


Gotta say, watching you all talk and other Jazz fans, these videos were pretty damn spot on.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 13, 2019, 08:56:45 PM
So, AD will be wearing number 3 this season.  This is after LeBron said he'd switch back to 6, but Nike stepped in and said "No can do, we already printed a year's worth of 23 jerseys".  The deadline to switch numbers is apparently in March, for some reason.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 15, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
So, AD will be wearing number 3 this season.  This is after LeBron said he'd switch back to 6, but Nike stepped in and said "No can do, we already printed a year's worth of 23 jerseys".  The deadline to switch numbers is apparently in March, for some reason.
I guess that March deadline is so all the players that get traded at the February trade deadline can be made jerseys for their new team. Still this offseason I have learned more about the NBA than in years past.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 15, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
Nike drawing a line in the sand just seems weird to me. Trades and free agency will always make printing jerseys somewhat perilous. In this instance, James and Davis have both said they’re switching to #6 and #23 respectively just in 2020 now. Nike is going to end up with extra jerseys either way. Seems easier to just take the L on the extra James #23 printed so far.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 15, 2019, 08:53:34 PM
Nike drawing a line in the sand just seems weird to me. Trades and free agency will always make printing jerseys somewhat perilous. In this instance, James and Davis have both said they’re switching to #6 and #23 respectively just in 2020 now. Nike is going to end up with extra jerseys either way. Seems easier to just take the L on the extra James #23 printed so far.

I'm assuming there's leeway on players who are traded/entering free agency.  That being said, it's still a weird rule for players staying put.  I'm sure someone's done the math on why it should work that way, but Nike should just move the deadline to . . . idk something after free agency opens?

So, AD will be wearing number 3 this season.  This is after LeBron said he'd switch back to 6, but Nike stepped in and said "No can do, we already printed a year's worth of 23 jerseys".  The deadline to switch numbers is apparently in March, for some reason.
I guess that March deadline is so all the players that get traded at the February trade deadline can be made jerseys for their new team. Still this offseason I have learned more about the NBA than in years past.

Yeah, but a trade that happens "this season" is just as likely to make a non-traded player change numbers as a trade that happens "in between seasons".  But I guess there isn't a league-imposed deadline during the summer, so Nike doesn't have as much to build off of.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 21, 2019, 05:37:38 PM
The Lakers claimed Kostas Antetokounmpo off waivers and signed him to a two-way contract. Hmm, I wonder why they did that.........
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 21, 2019, 05:59:15 PM
The Lakers claimed Kostas Antetokounmpo off waivers and signed him to a two-way contract. Hmm, I wonder why they did that.........
Maybe they are trying to get good young players to develop using their 2 ways so they have some options going forward... But it is likely what everyone is thinking. 2021!
https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/7/21/20703017/lakers-claim-kostas-antetokounmpo-off-waivers-nba-rumors
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 21, 2019, 06:58:53 PM
The Lakers claimed Kostas Antetokounmpo off waivers and signed him to a two-way contract. Hmm, I wonder why they did that.........

Hahaha... There were a bunch of reports about the Raptors putting a claim in, following years of rumors that Ujiri dearly wants to recruit Giannis once his contract with the Bucks expires. Obviously it's not a terribly difficult (or subtle) move to bring his family in, and no surprise the Lakers grabbed Kostas when he was available.
 ;D

But didn't Giannis say that Kostas might be the best player of them all eventually during All-Star weekend? Seems like he was just being a good big brother, but maybe this will be another scenario like the Gasol brothers, where both go on to be fantastic player. It would be awesome to see him earn some minutes with the Lakers squad this year and keep developing; hopefully he doesn't just end up being a pawn getting played as teams pursue his brother.

EDIT: Nope, Giannis said that his youngest brother Alexis might be the best of them, but Alex is still too young for the NBA. Guess we'll see in a few years.  But hey, taking a flyer on Kostas still might end up paying off - whether it helps draw his older brother or not.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 21, 2019, 11:15:50 PM
Ya know I thought of another reason why this is a good pick up for the Lakers. Lebron is getting older so if Kostas develops nicely in a few years Kostas can be slotting in to that spot when LeBron retires. Kostas is only 21 right now so that could work out if he develops nicely.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 23, 2019, 05:28:08 PM
The NBA is looking into tampering violations for some of the early signings for this offseason. ESPN did a good article on it and The Jump chimed in on it.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27243621/inside-tense-nba-owners-meeting-change-free-agency
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 23, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
There was no tampering, only lightning-quick negotiations. Owners are just mad they weren’t able to pay Harrison Barnes $85 million for four years...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 25, 2019, 06:45:25 PM
Kerr: Forced trade by Davis 'bad for the league' (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27250922/kerr-forced-trade-davis-bad-league)
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”I'm talking more about the Anthony Davis situation," Kerr told The Warriors Insider Podcast. "Where a guy is perfectly healthy and has a couple years left on his deal and says, 'I want to leave.' That's a real problem that the league has to address and that the players have to be careful with.

"When you sign on that dotted line, you owe your effort and your play to that team, to that city, to the fans. And then it's completely your right to leave as a free agent. But if you sign the contract, then you should be bound to that contract.
Shut up, Steve Kerr. Just shut the **** up.

I will admit I’m biased because as stated numerous times, I typically always side with players on these matters. My major issue is primarily the bolded part because it completely ignores the fact that teams have the autonomy to trade players who may not want to play for a particular team or in a particularly city. The implication is that players should honor the contracts they sign, but teams don’t have to honor the contracts they offer players. Motherfucker, you were a player. What are you talking about?

Let’s not ignore the fact that Kerr coaches the Warriors, a team that just jettisoned Andre Iguodala, a guy who gave his heart and soul to the team for six years, to what is projected to be one of the worst teams in the league this season. Granted, the trade made sense from a business perspective. And Kerr said the trade was “devastating” for him. Of course, he isn’t going to dunk on his employer, but this is exactly why he should shut the **** up.

It’s also really weird that Kerr would point directly to Anthony Davis. First, players have been requesting trades for decades. Paul George demanded a trade twice in three years. Second, the Pelicans did nothing for seven years after drafting a generational player. Dell Demps signed bad contracts and kept trading draft picks. I don’t blame players like Davis for wanting to peace out. If it was a good situation, they’d be more likely to stay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 25, 2019, 07:12:49 PM
Kerr: Forced trade by Davis 'bad for the league' (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27250922/kerr-forced-trade-davis-bad-league)
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”I'm talking more about the Anthony Davis situation," Kerr told The Warriors Insider Podcast. "Where a guy is perfectly healthy and has a couple years left on his deal and says, 'I want to leave.' That's a real problem that the league has to address and that the players have to be careful with.

"When you sign on that dotted line, you owe your effort and your play to that team, to that city, to the fans. And then it's completely your right to leave as a free agent. But if you sign the contract, then you should be bound to that contract.
Shut up, Steve Kerr. Just shut the **** up.

I will admit I’m biased because as stated numerous times, I typically always side with players on these matters. My major issue is primarily the bolded part because it completely ignores the fact that teams have the autonomy to trade players who may not want to play for a particular team or in a particularly city. The implication is that players should honor the contracts they sign, but teams don’t have to honor the contracts they offer players. Motherfucker, you were a player. What are you talking about?

Let’s not ignore the fact that Kerr coaches the Warriors, a team that just jettisoned Andre Iguodala, a guy who gave his heart and soul to the team for six years, to what is projected to be one of the worst teams in the league this season. Granted, the trade made sense from a business perspective. And Kerr said the trade was “devastating” for him. Of course, he isn’t going to dunk on his employer, but this is exactly why he should shut the **** up.

It’s also really weird that Kerr would point directly to Anthony Davis. First, players have been requesting trades for decades. Paul George demanded a trade twice in three years. Second, the Pelicans did nothing for seven years after drafting a generational player. Dell Demps signed bad contracts and kept trading draft picks. I don’t blame players like Davis for wanting to peace out. If it was a good situation, they’d be more likely to stay.

I'm kind of with Kerr on this, mainly because I've had a chip on my shoulder regarding player entitlement since the 90s due to an asshole named Rony Seikaly.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1998-02-19-9802190364-story.html (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-xpm-1998-02-19-9802190364-story.html)
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There's the link to the original Orlando Sentinel story if you want the full details but the short version is that back in 1998 the Jazz wanted to trade 2 good bench players & a 1st round draft pick for Rony Seikaly to bolster their roster for the coming playoffs. The deal got approved, the Jazz sent their players off on the plane to Orlando...and Rony Seikaly refused to leave Orlando. He absolutely refused to be traded to one of the best teams in the league (and depending on which season it was, it WAS the best team in the league), and he dug in his heels and whined until he got his way. He apparently wanted to renegotiate his contract.

The end result is that the trade ended up getting scrapped, and the traded players ended up getting flown back to Salt Lake to a hero's welcome at the airport from the fans.

With exceptions, I couldn't care less about players griping about contracts. You sign them, you honor them. You don't throw tantrums about it, and you don't try to force the team to trade or break your contract by airing your grievances in public.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 25, 2019, 08:15:22 PM
I'm kind of with Kerr on this, mainly because I've had a chip on my shoulder regarding player entitlement since the 90s due to an asshole named Rony Seikaly.
I read that article. Seikaly forfeited money to facilitate a trade then demanded the money he previously forfeited. The Jazz refused so he didn’t report to the team. That isn’t remotely the same thing I’m talking about.
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You sign them, you honor them.
Fine, but then teams should be held to the same standard. They offer a contract to a player, honor the contract then. There should be no trades unless literally every single person involved agrees to the terms. Chances are, very few trades would actually get made. I’m fine with teams trading players because again, the NBA is a business. If a team thinks it can improve in the short or long-term via a trade, they absolutely should. That’s the same reason I support players that demand trades. Players generally don’t want to leave favorable situations.

Anthony Davis could have signed his qualifying offer years ago if he didn’t want to be in New Orleans. Except he did want play there, but the Pelicans squandered those years.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 25, 2019, 11:05:35 PM
Yeah, I disagree pretty solidly. A contract should be (a) negotiated before being signed, and (b) binding afterwards unless there is some kind of unusual or unexpected circumstance.

If you don't want to be traded, negotiate a no-trade clause (or at least a trade kicker) or sign shorter contracts.
Getting traded against your will might earn some sympathy, but a superstar who simply decides not to honor a massive contract with the team that originally signed him, and then forcing his way out like what happened with Davis only makes NBA players look bad.

There are certainly some unfair and unreasonable things that players have to ensure, but this specific situation with Davis is clearly not one of them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 26, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
Yeah, I disagree pretty solidly. A contract should be (a) negotiated before being signed, and (b) binding afterwards unless there is some kind of unusual or unexpected circumstance.
Again, fine, teams should be held to the same standard. If it's binding, then a player shouldn't be allowed to be traded without their consent. Do you agree?
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If you don't want to be traded, negotiate a no-trade clause (or at least a trade kicker) or sign shorter contracts.
No trade clauses have stipulations: eight years experience and four years with the same team (doesn't have to be consecutive). Anthony Davis was ineligible. More importantly, no trade clauses are extremely rare. Steph Curry wasn't even able to negotiate a no trade clause or an option on his final year. Yes, that Steph Curry.
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Getting traded against your will might earn some sympathy, but a superstar who simply decides not to honor a massive contract with the team that originally signed him, and then forcing his way out like what happened with Davis only makes NBA players look bad.
Getting a trade demand against your will might earn some sympathy, but a team that simply decides not to honor a massive contract with a player who originally wanted to sign, and then forcing him out like what happened with [Demar Derozan, Blake Griffin, Chris Paul etc. etc.) only makes NBA teams look bad.
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There are certainly some unfair and unreasonable things that players have to ensure, but this specific situation with Davis is clearly not one of them.
Why not? Kerr said, "When you sign on that dotted line, you owe your effort and your play to that team, to that city, to the fans." What does a team owe the player, city, and fans? Davis originally wanted to be in New Orleans; the Pelicans failed to build a winning team around him for seven years. He got tired of it. Davis could have played out his contract and left the Pelicans with nothing. Then, owners and people like Kerr who forgot they used to be players would complain about that. Instead, Davis got to the team he wanted to play for, the Lakers got the player they wanted, and the Pelicans got young players and draft assets. Both the Lakers and Pelicans are going to be good next year. How is that not good for the NBA? (And yes, it sucks for Ingram, Ball, and Hart because they didn't choose to be traded)

It's so weird that y'all are dunking on players while giving teams a pass. You're a Raptors fan. Demar Derozan thought about going home to California then chose to stay in Toronto, and the Raptors rightly upgraded to Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green. If it's fair for a team not to honor a contract, it should be fair for a player as well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on July 26, 2019, 08:58:01 AM
I understand you have problems with the established system regarding teams and trades. That's fine. Fighting to empower players and give them fairer contracts is totally ok by me. But that doesn't mean you can just disregard the established system - which does provide reasonable compensation for players in the vast majority of cases - whenever you feel like it.


Your comparison of teams trading players (and following all rules of the contracts signed and the long-establish system in the process) and players forcing their way out of contracts simply isn't valid.

A closer comparison would be teams having a player on contract and refusing to let them play or practice when healthy without reasonable justification just because they decide they don't like how that player handles their business - think similar to what New Orleans did after the Davis saga, but without clear provocation and reasonable goals of focusing on the assets they will maintain going forward. In that case the league stepped in to say they couldn't just ice Davis, even though it clearly made sense for the team to do so. Some of that is marketing and optics, but that's the problem with the Davis trade too - it's not the fact that he forced his way out, but how he forced his way out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 26, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
I understand you have problems with the established system regarding teams and trades. That's fine. Fighting to empower players and give them fairer contracts is totally ok by me. But that doesn't mean you can just disregard the established system - which does provide reasonable compensation for players in the vast majority of cases - whenever you feel like it
I actually don’t have a problem with the established system. If a player wants to pay the league fine for publicly requesting a trade, that’s on them. They don’t have to like their situation, but they still have to go to work (or face consequences of not going to work like any other job). As long as they do, I don’t have a problem with it. 99% of the time they keep going to work so they are upholding their end of the contract.

I disagree with the double standard. A player requesting a trade is not the same thing as voiding a contract because they can’t, you know, legally do that. Equating the two is not really fair. When a player who signs to play for a team, a city, and its fans gets traded, y’all turn into the shrug emoji and say, “Well, that’s business.” When a player merely requests a trade because [insert a reason but it’s usually due to unfavorable conditions like losing, a toxic culture etc.), they’re vilified for it.
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Your comparison of teams trading players (and following all rules of the contracts signed and the long-establish system in the process) and players forcing their way out of contracts simply isn't valid.
Except players can’t actually “force their way out” and that’s because of their contract. A team doesn’t have to trade anyone, and I feel like that’s a piece many people like Kerr are missing or flat-out ignoring. Players can request/demand a trade and complain all they want, but they are bound to their contract. If they don’t attend practice, games etc., the team and/or league can fine them basically up to their entire yearly salary (maybe more, I’d have to check the CBA again). The comparison is valid because this isn’t about breaking contracts or “forcing their way out” since players can’t do either. I’m advocating for a player’s right to say, “I don’t want to play here anymore” just as its a team’s right to say, “I don’t want this player anymore.”

Anthony Davis informed the Pelicans he would not re-sign with the team and requested to be traded. The Pelicans don’t have to honor his request and ultimately didn’t by the deadline in February so he played when the team let him. Had Davis not been traded this summer, he most likely would have played out his contract because I highly doubt he’d give up ~$27 million.

Want to deter trade requests/demands? Build a better team and win. However, there’s ultimately no way to outright stop trade requests/demands due to the human element. Players won’t always be happy with a situation. Even if a team wins, they may not like the weather or something. The only recourse is to get rid of trades altogether, and literally, no one will agree to that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 26, 2019, 11:57:19 AM
I gotta side with Adrock on this one.

Like with any other job, if I see an opportunity somewhere else that I think may benefit me in a way I'm not getting at my current employer, then I will seek to move.

There's nothing wrong with a player letting the team know they are not happy in the current situation and to either make the necessary adjustments or allow me to go to another situation somewhere else.

As was stated, alternatively, the player could sit quietly, play out said contract, and then just bounce the moment they were free to do so, leaving the team with a sudden and unexpected vacancy.

There's nothing stopping the teams themselves from trading players like cards to improve the teams situation, so I see no reason the players can't request their card be traded to another team improve their own situation. At that point it's up to the team to honor the request and hopefully get something of value back in return, or try to fix the situation and hope for the best when the clock runs out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Ian Sane on July 26, 2019, 12:23:41 PM
Each of the big four sports leagues has at least 30 teams and the league has an obvious need to make sure that fans are excited in all of those markets and will support their team.  If players have too much control over where they go then you're going to end up with a handful of teams, usually in the large markets, that get everybody.  In most of the sports one player here and there isn't going to make that much of a difference but with the smaller rosters a single star in the NBA can change a team into a contender and obviously their departure can sink a team.  So if players demanding trades and refusing to play and coordinating their own super teams becomes the norm then two thirds of the teams become irrelevant.  I can see why broodwars is complaining because in such a scenario, no one is going to the Jazz.

I do side with the players however in terms of entry contracts as there is always some time where the team gets exclusive rights until the player first hits free agency.  In that scenario the team has some unfair leverage and I'm fine with a player weaseling their way out of a contract they had little control over.  But once you've reached free agency and every contract was negotiated on your terms you own up to it.  The team has to pay you and you have to play for them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 27, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
The leagues can prevent super teams with salary caps. Two superstars might take pay cuts to win championships, but five won't.

With Anthony Davis, the whole situation was kind of messy. I'm generally ok with players asking for trades. Like BnM said, the warning is better for the the teams. But when it's as public as that was, the trade value for the player actually goes down. Few teams are gonna bank on the one year and hope they can keep him. Although, that could change with how the Raptors panned out. But I think Paul George was the last similar risk, and he did stay until recently.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 27, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
Yeah, if there's one thing I wish they would implement, it's a hard salary cap: no going over it, period. That would stop "Super Teams" quickly enough, and would certainly prevent the Big Market Teams from just spending whatever they want to buy their talent. As it stands, they can afford to just pay the luxury tax if they're so inclined, which Small Market teams cannot do. Sure, you could still see such teams forming from big name players accepting pittances to come together, but there's no real preventing that from happening unless the League starts implementing minimum salaries (which they already have for Rookies).

Just IMO, players need to keep their gripes in private with their team management. In my experience, most teams try to work with their players when they're unhappy or if they have to be traded or released so long as the players aren't airing their dirty laundry in public, hurting the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 27, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
FYI on the Anthony Davis thing: According to Rich Paul, he informed the Pelicans of Davis’s request to be traded on January 25. Former Pelicans GM, Dell Demps, told Paul he would confer with ownership then proceeded to go above Paul and call Davis to convince him to stay. Paul decided to go public after the Pelicans ignored Davis’ trade request.

Demps never refuted the claims, and the above story has been repeated by several NBA insiders since so at the very least they believe it. I’m of the belief that players and their representation are willing to keep trade demands private especially because they don’t want to pay the league fine (maximum of $50,000). Once teams do weird **** like circumventing a player’s agent, all bets are off. Additionally, other teams leak trade requests out of spite or to lower a player’s value so they don’t give up as much. This makes it sound like the player publicly demanded a trade because the information is out there.
Yeah, if there's one thing I wish they would implement, it's a hard salary cap: no going over it, period. That would stop "Super Teams" quickly enough, and would certainly prevent the Big Market Teams from just spending whatever they want to buy their talent.
LOL, the Jazz were ~$11 million above the salary cap last season and are ~$8 million above the salary cap this season.

Large market teams can’t just “buy talent” or sign whomever they want. All incoming salary in trades for tax playing teams have to match a maximum of 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000. The soft cap is primarily for Bird rights. Building superteams is really hard to do and it usually starts with already having homegrown pieces. The Warriors, for example, were able to sign Kevin Durant in 2016 because the stars aligned. Steph Curry was on an extremely team friendly deal due to injuries early in his career, the cap exploded that year, and Durant took a slight pay cut.
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As it stands, they can afford to just pay the luxury tax if they're so inclined, which Small Market teams cannot do.
Yes, small-market teams goddamn can, and it’s weird that you think this. The owners of professional sports teams are billionaires. They absolutely can afford to pay the luxury tax; they just don’t want to pay it. That’s fine; they don’t have pay the luxury tax if they don’t want to, but they also don’t have to own a professional sports team. Pardon me for not shedding a tear for billionaire owners of small market teams.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 28, 2019, 01:58:12 AM
LOL, the Jazz were ~$11 million above the salary cap last season and are ~$8 million above the salary cap this season.

Yes, and do you have any idea how rare that is? If this site is anything to go by, that would only have been the 3rd or 4th time in the franchise's history that they'd ever done that. It's just not something the Jazz are known for doing.

Incidentally, researching net worth I have to give props to Gail Miller. Her husband only had an estimated net worth of $480 million when he died in 2009, which is the number I've always had in mind when thinking about the Jazz's expenditures. She managed to take her inheritance and spin that into an estimated $1.75 billion.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/11/16/how-many-times-has-each-nba-team-paid-the-luxury-tax/ (https://hoopshype.com/2018/11/16/how-many-times-has-each-nba-team-paid-the-luxury-tax/)

I got a good laugh out of the Knicks having the largest number of luxury tax pay-outs, considering the results they got from it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on July 28, 2019, 10:02:36 AM
Yes, and do you have any idea how rare that is? If this site is anything to go by, that would only have been the 3rd or 4th time in the franchise's history that they'd ever done that. It's just not something the Jazz are known for doing.
I don’t care how rare it is. That’s irrelevant. Point is, the Jazz can afford to go over the cap, have gone over the cap, and are currently over the cap. For that extra spending, the Jazz are going to be fucking awesome this season. You’re championing a hard cap when the team you support is benefiting from not having a hard cap and stands to benefit in the near future. Implementing a hard cap means no Bird rights since the entire point of Bird rights is to go over the cap to retain players. Donovan Mitchell, for example, has two years (including this season) on his rookie contract with the last year being a player option. With a hard cap and no Bird rights, I hope you’d enjoy seeing Mitchell play for another team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on July 28, 2019, 10:57:22 AM
Every team can afford to go over the cap. Hell, every team could afford to play in a system without a salary cap. Some owners are just more brazen about their motives than others.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on July 28, 2019, 05:51:46 PM
Every team can afford to go over the cap. Hell, every team could afford to play in a system without a salary cap. Some owners are just more brazen about their motives than others.

No, they really can't, and it comes down to ticket prices & merchandising sales. Yes, the Jazz have gone over the salary cap before and will again, but despite Gail Miller being a nearly $2 billion owner, the Jazz themselves are in a separate Trust with only $243 million in revenue last year.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/utah-jazz/#19a483f868b3 (https://www.forbes.com/teams/utah-jazz/#19a483f868b3)

Yes, the luxury tax is an option, but it's a very costly option for a small market team. Just to use an example, take the Lakers. They had $395 million in revenue last year. If they needed to, they could much more easily absorb the cost of the luxury tax & higher salaries than a team like the Jazz can.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-lakers/#55178d403101 (https://www.forbes.com/teams/los-angeles-lakers/#55178d403101)

Most of this comes down to ticket sales. The Jazz, apparently, had the lowest-cost tickets in the league last season at $6 a game for some seats and are only this season raising them to $15:

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/01/02/jazz-season-ticket-prices/ (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/01/02/jazz-season-ticket-prices/)

Again, by comparison, check out the pricing on the Lakers' seats:

https://www.barrystickets.com/blog/how-much-are-lakers-tickets/ (https://www.barrystickets.com/blog/how-much-are-lakers-tickets/)

It's not a matter of "well, just raise the ticket prices" when you're in a small market. The average income in Salt Lake City is only $28,428 per year, just below the US average. And perhaps you've noticed, but the Jazz don't tend to get included in big sports broadcasting contracts like the Big Market teams do.

https://www.bestplaces.net/economy/city/utah/salt_lake_city (https://www.bestplaces.net/economy/city/utah/salt_lake_city)

The Jazz are spending this kind of money right now because it's the only way to compete with how the West has shaken out the past few seasons, and if they didn't spend to compete they wouldn't be able to keep Donovan Mitchell happy. It's not good business in the short term, but they're hoping it'll work out in the long term.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on July 29, 2019, 06:39:30 PM
After some light googling, I saw that going $20M over the cap costs ~$65M ($45M in tax + $20M in salary).  According to forbes, that would put roughly 2/3 of teams in the red.  Even if the teams are owned by billionaires, they wouldn't be too thrilled to have a revenue driver turn into a cost center, but they certainly could stand pumping $10-20M into the team, if they wanted, since it's not like owning a team is gonna be their primary business.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 03, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
It's a small thing, but...YES! It's finally happening! The Jazz are bringing back the 90s purple mountain jerseys and matching court!  :D :D :D

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2019/8/3/20752801/utah-jazz-throwback-purple-mountain-court-leak-nba-90s (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2019/8/3/20752801/utah-jazz-throwback-purple-mountain-court-leak-nba-90s)

It's about time. They're the best logo and jerseys the Jazz ever had. Unfortunately, they swapped them out for those godawful black & red jerseys soon after.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on August 03, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
Draymond got paid. I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 03, 2019, 04:23:07 PM
Yeah, can’t afford to lose Green if the Warriors want to stay competitive. I’m surprised he took the extension. He could have gotten a heftier contract by waiting until he hit free agency then re-signing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 03, 2019, 06:34:29 PM
probably to save cap space for the betterment of the future of the team
or because he don't know if that injury bug is still lurking around the Warrior locker room....
Could be better to guarantee $$pay now, than to hold out for $$$pay later.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 03, 2019, 08:58:31 PM
I'm also a bit surprised he didn't wait it out for a bigger contract, but maybe he really likes being in Golden State. Surely his agent would've let him know how much financial difference it makes to wait. Golden State seems to have believed in him and empowered him though, not to mention is an absolutely fantastic fit for his talents (where he doesn't have to score much but can still be extremely effective).

But injury and age are fair concerns. Green didn't look good for a lot of the season, and while he got right for the playoffs it's hard to imagine a team really opening their wallet for an injured Green - unlike Durant who you just sign regardless.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on August 07, 2019, 08:02:51 PM
Draymond, as good as he is, just doesn't seem like he'd command a max salary on the open market.  I saw some pundits say he was leaving money on the table, but I think it's a lot less than people think.  I think it's about right for his role on the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 07, 2019, 11:30:17 PM
I heard he actually has a trade kicker on his contract.

If he gets traded in the first 2 years of his extension, he gets a all the remaining money from the Max Contract he didn't hold out for.
Seems like a good deal for someone that just wants to win, and is willing to leave cap space to get another Maxx player on the roster. If they swerve on him, he gets paid anyway, so win win situation.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on August 09, 2019, 08:05:43 PM
Hard to see GS wanting to trade him either way since they're getting a good player on a discount, but that's the point of insurance I suppose.  And it's a better clause to have than not have.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 12, 2019, 04:45:16 PM
Looks like the NBA released the 2019-2020 schedule.
https://stats.nba.com/schedule/

I am going to post the Suns and Lakers schedule because those are my teams.

Phoenix Suns schedule: https://www.nba.com/suns/press-release/phoenix-suns-announce-2019-20-nba-season-schedule and the LA Lakers schedule: https://twitter.com/LakerFilmRoom/status/1160992740068323328/photo/1

I am going to try and make it out to a few Suns home game this year. Home game with the Lakers should be good on the 12th of November and the Pels on the 21st of November should be exciting to see how Lonzo, Ingram and Hart fare versus Booker, Bridges and Ayton.


Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 12, 2019, 07:44:55 PM
I’d go to a Sixers game except they’re good again so you know, good luck trying to get a reasonably priced ticket against the Lakers.

Unrelated: Does anyone have League/Team Pass? How is it? Are nationally televised games blacked out? Or only local games? I looked it up, but I’m having trouble with the wording. I can live with not seeing the Lakers in Philly. I don’t want to pay $200/$120 if 31 Lakers games get blacked out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 12, 2019, 11:41:05 PM
Looks like the Schedule Gods are going a bit easier on the Jazz this year than they were last season. The first few months are just SLIGHTLY less of a murder gauntlet this year, with only a few week stretches of truly difficult teams. By the same token, though, there are also only a few stretches of "easy" teams, so it's a pretty balanced schedule overall. It'll be interesting to see if this new Jazz squad will actually manage to play consistently, rather than playing down to the easier teams as they've been known to do in the past.

Apparently, one of the league's big focuses this year was reducing the number of back-to-back games, and I'm definitely seeing that here.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 13, 2019, 12:12:31 AM
https://stats.nba.com/schedule/#!?TeamID=1610612744&PD=N

Damn, we play the Thunder 3 times in the first 30 days..... they trying to dispense that off our books as quickly as possible. LOL
Some good warm up games from them before we really gotta turn it on leading up to the Xmas game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 13, 2019, 12:19:19 AM
https://stats.nba.com/schedule/#!?TeamID=1610612744&PD=N

Damn, we play the Thunder 3 times in the first 30 days..... they trying to dispense that off our books as quickly as possible. LOL
Some good warm up games from them before we really gotta turn it on leading up to the Xmas game.

You also face the Jazz 3 times before the middle of December. Enjoy.

Of course, if last season is any indication it's going to take Donovan half the season to get into his groove, so you never know.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on August 15, 2019, 02:33:59 PM
aaaaaaaaaand Boogie tore his ACL.

I think this is pretty much it for his career.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 15, 2019, 02:56:40 PM
Nah, I doubt his career is over. However, that’s it for a big payday. DeMarcus Cousins is so skilled that teams will take a chance on him as long as they don’t have to pay him a lot. He signed with the Lakers for $3.5 million. I think he signed a one-and-one. Even if Cousins returns in the playoffs, I don’t know how many teams next year will pay him more than the minimum. Most teams won’t have cap space, and those that do won’t overpay for Cousins coming off another injury. The Lakers will gladly keep Cousins if he opts in. Take that chance. If he gets hurt again, it was only $3.5 million. Who else were they going to sign?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 15, 2019, 06:54:23 PM
aaaaaaaaaand Boogie tore his ACL.

I think this is pretty much it for his career.

So his attitude has always made me question how great he could be... but there is no argument the guy is amazingly talented. This is a real shame, because if he came into the season healthy it would've been a huge win for the Lakers.

My real question is how many other significant injuries will there be on their team?  I have zero confidence in Davis staying healthy for a whole season - the only question is when and how long he's hurt. LeBron also seems like a guy who's had a blessed career (regarding health) until last year.  How long will that last given his age and mileage?

Lakers fans must be holding their breath that this whole thing doesn't go up in smoke...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 16, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
Lakers fans must be holding their breath that this whole thing doesn't go up in smoke...
Not really.

The problem for James last year and Davis his entire career was the need to carry the team. The Lakers have a solid roster that fits well around them. It admittedly isn’t perfect. They’re intentionally keeping a roster spot open for Andre Iguodala because they need another defensive minded wing. With Cousins out for most of the year, the center position is looking a bit thin. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers bring back Dwight Howard. I wouldn’t love it, but beggars can’t be choosers.

Then again, the Lakers did just sign Kostas Antetokounmpo. There are other, younger options than Howard.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 16, 2019, 01:04:54 AM
Well with Boogie being out likely for the rest of the season the Lakers may need to juggle their starting lineup. 

I am seeing a few options. 
PG: Bradley
SG: Green
SF: LeBron
PF:Kuzma
C: Anthony Davis

or

PG: LeBron
SG: Green:
SF: Kuzma
PF: Davis
C: McGee

Either way the Lakers could need a backup center.

This article mentions several options and others the Lakers should stay away from.

https://hoopshype.com/2019/08/15/demarcus-cousins-acl-joakim-noah-amare-stoudemire-dwight-howard/

Have a look: Marreese Speights,  Amir Johnson, Joakim Noah, Kenneth Faried and Aric Holman.
Highly Unlikely: Howard, Bogut, and Johnathon Williams.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 16, 2019, 01:49:35 AM
That's tragic for Boogie.... Bet that "insulting" contract from the Pelicans is sounding mighty good right now tho.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on August 16, 2019, 07:15:26 PM
What could've been a feel-good story of a player betting on himself ended with back-to-back regular season skipping injuries.  It really sucks that the injury bug got to him before a major payday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2019, 10:54:53 AM
There are reports the Lakers are interested in Dwight Howard. Maybe I’m cynical, but it sounds like Howard’s camp trying to drum up interest in him. He’s currently under contract with the Grizzlies, but everyone expects him to be bought out. Unlike Andre Iguodala, there’s little to no market for Howard.

Some Lakers fans say Howard burned bridges in Los Angeles. I’m not sure I agree. He did what was best for his career. Re-signing with the Lakers in 2013 would have been a bad move. My skepticism rests with Howard’s maturity, notably the ability to understand his role. If the Lakers sign him, they need him to bruise against big men, defend, rebound, and occasionally dunk. The offense will never run through him. One, he was never good enough for that. Two, he’s 33. Three, this has to be Anthony Davis’ team.

Yeah, LeBron James is on the team and he’ll get the attention and adulation. James is the best player on the team when he wants to, but Davis will be the most consistently best player on the team because he’s younger and entering his prime. Point being, Howard would have to know and fully accept his role. No whinging. Play 15 to 20 minutes and do the grunt work.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 18, 2019, 06:13:33 PM
While I am against Howard joining the Lakers under principle with how he left LA and how he was jumped between 4 teams in the past 4 years... if and only if is he there to do the defensive duties he was know for with maybe some passing out to the abundance of shooters this team has it might just work.  I personally haven't seen Dwight play since the Rockets days but he is likely the best option at the center position. The problem is that the Grizzlies have him under contract and they also have Iggy and I wonder if they are going to want some type of compensation for buying both those out. If we want both then we are going to have to waive one player and I am not sure who that would be.

Here is the current training camp roster for the Lakers.

LeBron James (Fully guaranteed)
Anthony Davis (Fully guaranteed)
Kyle Kuzma (Fully guaranteed)
DeMarcus Cousins (Fully guaranteed)
Danny Green (Fully guaranteed)
Alex Caruso (Fully guaranteed)
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (Fully guaranteed)
Rajon Rondo (Fully guaranteed)
JaVale McGee (Fully guaranteed)
Avery Bradley (Fully guaranteed)
Quinn Cook (Fully guaranteed)
Troy Daniels (Fully guaranteed)
Jared Dudley (Fully guaranteed)
Talen Horton-Tucker (Fully guaranteed)
Zach Norvell Jr. (Two-way contract)
Kostas Antetokounmpo (Two-way contract)
Aric Holman (Exhibit 10 contract, meaning he can be converted into a two-way player or waived, but with a bonus for going to the South Bay Lakers and staying at least 60 days)
Devontae Cacok (Exhibit 10)
Jordan Caroline (Exhibit 10)
Currently open spot, the Lakers have one guaranteed contract left and no available two-way slots

I mean they could waive THT and have two guaranteed contracts open or waive Zach Norvell Jr and then have THT on a two way contract or just forget about Iggy and get Dwight.

I do imagine that the Lakers want to go to training camp and workout with all the Exibit 10 players and see if they can make the roster so this will likely take some time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 18, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
Here is Shams talking about where Howard is at in terms of fit and ego.
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1163187439848054784
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
My understanding is a team can waive anyone. They don't because they still have to pay any guarunteed money to the player for at least the duration of the contact. That's why you typically only see a payer waived on the last year of their contract unless using the stretch provision still allows the team to have flexible cap space (e.g. Luol Deng last season).

If the Lakers want to sign Dwight Howard, they can use the open roster spot unofficially reserved for Andre Iguodala. Should Iguodala become available later this season if/when the Grizzlies lose that game of chicken they're playing with like two or three teams for assets, the Lakers will probably waive Troy Daniels. He's a fringe NBA player who does one thing really well (shoot three pointers). Daniels is on a one-year veterans minimum deal. Waiving him wouldn't affect any long-term plans. Teams can sign as many veteran minimum players as they want unless they're over the apron an/or don't have roster spots left. If anyone else became available, I'd expect Jared Dudley to be next in the waive line. Still, I think he has value as a positive locker room presence as well as logging in some minutes when LeBron James is on load-management/DNP-rest.

I'm not bitter toward Dwight Howard. Had he re-signed in 2013, the Lakers would have been better but still bad. They would have lost all those first-round draft picks which means no Anthony Davis. Maybe they would've been able to flip Howard for something, but I doubt it. Bringing in a (hopefully) humbled, role-player Dwight Howard for the veterans minimum is a low risk, high reward move. If he's a distraction, he can still be waived.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2019, 09:20:50 PM
Grizzlies have granted the Lakers permission to speak with Dwight Howard. It could merely be due diligence.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 20, 2019, 12:52:01 PM
It looks like the Lakers are holding workouts for 4 players to bring in for the roster. Those 4 are Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Mo Speights and Marcin Gortat.

Mo is more of a stretch big and Noah is more of a defensive center. Gortat was good for the Magic and Suns but that was several seasons ago so he may not be the best option. Finally Howard is Howard and is he the best fit with the Lakers?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on August 20, 2019, 05:50:14 PM
Finally Howard is Howard and is he the best fit with the Lakers?

Absolutely.  They can re-create this iconic image, only with Anthony Davis:

(https://i.imgur.com/AynHS98.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 20, 2019, 07:18:11 PM
Finally Howard is Howard and is he the best fit with the Lakers?

Absolutely.  They can re-create this iconic image, only with Anthony Davis:

(https://i.imgur.com/AynHS98.jpg)
I feel like you are being a smart butt with that comment and considering how that season went I may not be up for it this time around. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on August 21, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
On the one hand, yes that ended up not being the best look. But on the other hand, wasn’t it the last time the Lakers made the playoffs?

But yes, I was mostly being a smartbutt. :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 21, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
On the one hand, yes that ended up not being the best look. But on the other hand, wasn’t it the last time the Lakers made the playoffs?

But yes, I was mostly being a smartbutt. :P
I hate to say it was the last time the Lakers made the playoffs... I blame Dwight for our 6 and 7 year playoff drought. Wouldn't of had to rebuild these years if not for him and chemisty issues.

Anyway SS&R did a video on who should get the 15th roster spot. 
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrPQ5eUnO_Y
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 21, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
On the one hand, yes that ended up not being the best look. But on the other hand, wasn’t it the last time the Lakers made the playoffs?

But yes, I was mostly being a smartbutt. :P
I hate to say it was the last time the Lakers made the playoffs... I blade Dwight for our 6 and 7 year playoff drought. Wouldn't of had to rebuild these years if not for him and chemisty issues.

Anyway SS&R did a video on who should get the 15th roster spot. 
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrPQ5eUnO_Y

You could do worse than adding Thabo to your team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 21, 2019, 04:57:30 PM
I hate to say it was the last time the Lakers made the playoffs... I blade Dwight for our 6 and 7 year playoff drought. Wouldn't of had to rebuild these years if not for him and chemisty issues.
Ew, no. If anything, Dwight Howard did the Lakers a big favor by not re-signing. He was already on the decline due to back surgery. Howard had some decent years after he left, but he never regained his Magic form. With Kobe coming off a ruptured Achilles, how good would that team have been? Howard would have made the Lakers better but not good which means they would have lost all of those draft picks. Because the Lakers sucked so bad, they only owed the Magic two second round draft picks due to the Stepien Rule.

I guess one could maybe make the argument that the Lakers could have traded Howard for assets had he re-signed. Then again, Jim Buss and Mitch Kupchak never wanted to rebuild the right away. They would have either kept Howard too long (diminishing his value) or blown those assets on like Greg Monroe or something. Being trash for so many years in a row was weirdly the best thing that happened to the team moving forward. It gave Jeanie a reason to fire her brother, the same man who hired his bartender as an advisor. It eventually led to the Lakers having the assets to trade for Anthony Davis.

Many Lakers fans are salty about the way Howard left. I’m not for the reasons stated above. Also, without that trade, the Lakers would have signed Andrew Bynum to a maximum contract. He only played 26 more games in his career after getting traded and has been out of the league for like half a decade. I’d entertain the Lakers bringing Dwight Howard back because it’s such a low risk move. He’d be on a minimum contract. If he’s still a fucking clown, waive him. With DeMarcus Cousins injured, the Lakers need a body to keep Anthony Davis from playing defense against opposing centers. Send Howard out there; protect Davis.

I’m not saying Dwight Howard is the only option, just that I wouldn’t absolutely hate it. There would be plenty of skepticism, mostly regarding his attitude.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 22, 2019, 05:42:34 PM
I guess I see your point Adrock. Going my route would get into What if? territory and that can spawn out into many directions. I mean Denver got Iggy in the Bynum/Howard trade and then Iggy went to the Warriors and well everyone knows how that went.

In any case is anyone paying attention to the Team USA games lately?

They had a game against Australia and they did well and it was a pretty good game.
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDuYTBkoS0
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 23, 2019, 10:22:00 AM
The Australian team must be under some pressure after losing to Canada and then US. I'm sure by the time the actual tournament starts they'll find their groove though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 23, 2019, 05:41:53 PM
Looks like Howard is returning to LA but on a non-guaranteed contract so he will have to prove his worth in training camp if he wants to make the team. Question is who will be waived from the non-guaranteed players to allow Howard on the roster?

Aric Holman (Exhibit 10 contract, meaning he can be converted into a two-way player or waived, but with a bonus for going to the South Bay Lakers and staying at least 60 days)
Devontae Cacok (Exhibit 10)
Jordan Caroline (Exhibit 10)
Demetrius Jackson (Likely an Exhibit 10)
Those are the non guaranted players on the training camp.

I do like Cacok and Holman so maybe Caroline and Jackson will be waived from the training camp roster. Another option for the final roster. Add Howard as the 15th player and send THT to the G-League and then have that slot for buy out candidates like Iggy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2019, 06:17:55 PM
I like the part of Woj’s tweet: “He’s been warned.”

The most important thing is to have a body to protect Anthony Davis. It didn’t really matter to me how the Lakers did that. They want to keep Davis happy which means playing him at power forward like he very blatantly said in his introductory press conference.

As for Howard, my opinion hasn’t changed: shut up and do your job. No whinging about touches. Just play defense and rebound. And great (albeit unlikely) if he can manage to do this with any kind of consistency:
For BNM: https://youtu.be/JV589PhHykk
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on August 23, 2019, 07:08:29 PM
There's a world in which JaVale and Dwight play the center role for the Lakers perfectly and everything goes well for them.

This is not that world. The fact that we needed 3 tweets from Woj saying "he's on thin fucking ice" is all we need as proof when he gets cut in January.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 24, 2019, 09:24:47 AM
The Australian team must be under some pressure after losing to Canada and then US. I'm sure by the time the actual tournament starts they'll find their groove though.

Re: Team USA

So that whole "looked good in a victory over Australia" thing didn't last long...
Australian National team is now 1-30 against US National team after that victory.

I don't read too much into that result. Took a come back behind huge play from Mills, and every team loses eventually. But Team USA this year is more vulnerable than I remember seeing in a long, long time. Should be some exciting basketball coming up.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 24, 2019, 07:58:17 PM
Looks like Kuzma is out of the Team USA roster after an ankle sprain.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 24, 2019, 09:08:50 PM
The Australian team must be under some pressure after losing to Canada and then US. I'm sure by the time the actual tournament starts they'll find their groove though.

Re: Team USA

So that whole "looked good in a victory over Australia" thing didn't last long...
Australian National team is now 1-30 against US National team after that victory.

I don't read too much into that result. Took a come back behind huge play from Mills, and every team loses eventually. But Team USA this year is more vulnerable than I remember seeing in a long, long time. Should be some exciting basketball coming up.

Hey...
.
.
.
.
.
.
...that's the power of Joe Ingles. :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 26, 2019, 08:33:28 AM
Ugh... The Canadian national team right now is so disappointing.

There is a growing amount of NBA-quality talent in the country, but almost none of it on the roster; even stalwarts for the program like Cory Joseph and Kelly Olynyk aren't playing this time around.  It's sad to see our guys get knocked around by the US, because we could field a competitive team if there was stronger interest from our best players... but our current roster is outmatched across the board.

Oh well. Don't think this was a surprise to anyone given the lineups.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 26, 2019, 06:36:45 PM
This is going to take some getting used to.

https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1166093145169379329

Howard has officially cleared waivers and the Lakers have signed Dwight Howard to a non guaranteed contract. Howard picked jersey number 39. Nobody has ever had that jersey number for the Lakers before.

SS&R did a video on how Howard can be a better fit for the team this time around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MawCxzsMVbA

Looks like they waived Aric Holman to make room for Howard.

So they should still have that 15th roster spot available if my math is right.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 26, 2019, 08:19:09 PM
So, I mentioned the Jazz were getting a new 90s retro court this coming season, but through a massive leak of images on reddit (now on Imgur) it seems a lot of teams are getting new courts:

https://imgur.com/a/tWlbdMB (https://imgur.com/a/tWlbdMB)

Some highlights:

(https://i.imgur.com/9etsSm2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b3P7NyM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RFsCHDM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PzrrWg4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ge3aMVA.jpg]https://i.imgur.com/Ge3aMVA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gnRq6xM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7iU1lbe.jpg)

WTF at that Orlando court.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on August 26, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
So, I mentioned the Jazz were getting a new 90s retro court this coming season, but through a massive leak of images on reddit (now on Imgur) it seems a lot of teams are getting new courts:

https://imgur.com/a/tWlbdMB (https://imgur.com/a/tWlbdMB)

...

Wow. Highlights were good, but totally worth clicking through to see the rest.
Some great courts there. Some not so great ones too...  ;D
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on August 27, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
Will someone please throw away the Jazz’s City Edition court? Their colors offend me, and for that, the rate just went up 10%.

I feel like I should hate the Hawks’ new City Edition court, but I don’t. I guess the peach color is closer to the actual color of a red-tailed hawk (based on cursory googling).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 27, 2019, 03:22:55 PM
Will someone please throw away the Jazz’s City Edition court? Their colors offend me, and for that, the rate just went up 10%.

I feel like I should hate the Hawks’ new City Edition court, but I don’t. I guess the peach color is closer to the actual color of a red-tailed hawk (based on cursory googling).

Yeah, I'm not fond of the Jazz's City court, either. It's supposed to be the sunrise over Arches National Park, but if I have to explain the meaning of the court & the gradient uniforms, it's a bad court.

And hey, Atlanta isn't using the geriatric Pac-Man gobbling his last power pellet as a logo anymore! :P

(http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/6/220/full/8708_atlanta_hawks-alternate-2016.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on August 28, 2019, 06:32:36 PM
So the Jazz officially announced the 90s throwback jerseys today, and...MAN, I missed this design. That said, there's just something...off about them, and I can't quite place my finger on what. I feel like the mountain range isn't "quite" right in the reproduction.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NDiS5C5_n0frIM6RwMe43khAyzY=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19126465/EDEayZ0U8AAhYXL.jpeg)

Edit: And sure enough, it's not. It's a reasonable copy, but they got the proportions and color shading wrong in translating the design to the thinner modern jersey style.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B6EAAOSwZZpdR1i8/s-l640.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 17, 2019, 05:50:26 PM
So USA didn't even make it to the medal platform and got 7th place in the FIBA Cup and Spain got 1st place.   Rubio got the MVP award and I am pretty happy about the Suns chances this coming year and going forward.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on September 17, 2019, 07:51:20 PM
So USA didn't even make it to the medal platform and got 7th place in the FIBA Cup and Spain got 1st place.   Rubio got the MVP award and I am pretty happy about the Suns chances this coming year and going forward.

FIBA results don't always carry over into the NBA. Luis "God mode" Scola, for example, regularly romps through these tournaments despite his age.

But sometimes it does!  Suns this year should be more interesting to watch than they have been for a while.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 17, 2019, 08:25:31 PM
So USA didn't even make it to the medal platform and got 7th place in the FIBA Cup and Spain got 1st place.   Rubio got the MVP award and I am pretty happy about the Suns chances this coming year and going forward.

FIBA results don't always carry over into the NBA. Luis "God mode" Scola, for example, regularly romps through these tournaments despite his age.

But sometimes it does!  Suns this year should be more interesting to watch than they have been for a while.
I mean they have a good pick and roll point guard in Rubio and with Booker, Ayton, Oubre Jr and Bridges as options on the offensive end they will be a better team than last year.  I am not sure they will make the playoffs this year but I think they will be a mid to high 30 win team which is a vast improvement from last years 19 win campaign.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 21, 2019, 10:39:11 AM
Drama league coming back soon. Who's ready for the latest helping of DRAMA!!!!?

Could there be some upcoming punishment over the Kawhi Leonard signing on the Clippers!?

it appears his family rep went outside the lines to make this deal happen:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE260lTUUAEIuDV?format=png&name=small)

and apparently Adam Silver isn't just letting this slide....
(https://i.imgur.com/DYnPyHU.png)

I wonder what happens next. Does PG13 get screwed for yet another season as punishment for not signing with the Lakers 2 seasons ago? LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on September 23, 2019, 03:05:28 PM
Voiding contracts is the only way you'll really enforce tampering rules, I'm afraid.  A fine is payable, and who cares about draft picks if you're not a lottery team?  They're not particularly valuable assets if you already have the guys you want.  But making a bunch of moves to sign a player, getting caught, and losing that player and whatever you might've given up to sign them would hit teams where it hurts.  That's a multi-season impact.

That being said, I really wanna know how egregious this was.  Were there a lot of "outside benefits"? What were they, exactly? And how influential were they on the player's decision making?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Soren on September 24, 2019, 09:45:15 PM
Voiding contracts is insane and will probably never happen, particularly because it opens up a player to lose out on millions of dollars if his contract is voided and no team has cap space to offer him a fair market value contract.

Speaking of tampering:

NBA: Fines Milwaukee 50k for pointing out the obvious, that Giannis will get the supermax next year.

Also NBA: Literally ignoring Orlando as they circumvent the salary cap to squeeze another year of a rookie's contract. Also the agent who represents this kid in Orlando should never represent another player ever again.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on September 25, 2019, 02:23:12 PM
Yeah, but isn't there some player responsibility for falling for the tampering?  It takes two to deal, even if under the table, so the player would then be receiving some punishment, even if temporary.  The player in question would likely have to sign a one-year deal, way under value, and then re-enter free agency.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 28, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Feeling excited for the season. Training Camp is underway and in one short month the NBA season starts. Don't sleep on the Lakers this year!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKYrDT6pnzE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 12:47:05 AM
Looks like Paul George is going to miss some time early on in the season. Out till November.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 30, 2019, 02:52:04 AM
What happened to PG?

Is there any updates on the LA Klawpers tampering story?

and where is the countdown clock!? I need my NBA fix!!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 03:33:55 AM
What happened to PG?

Is there any updates on the LA Klawpers tampering story?

and where is the countdown clock!? I need my NBA fix!!!!
1. He was going to miss a few weeks because he is recovering from back surgery.

2. Haven't seen anything.

3. https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/basketball?month=10&day=17&p0=75&msg=NBA+Season+Starts&font=slab&swk=1
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on September 30, 2019, 02:38:32 PM
Tampering is overrated, although the way agents and players don't even pretend to care about the rules should probably be cleaned up a little bit.

Hard to believe how excited I'm getting about the start of the season, especially since there is almost no chance of my team doing as well this year as last. But discovering how many steps back the Raptors end up taking, and what they do to move forward over the next couple of years will be fun.

Who do people expect to win it all this year?  Not a bold statement, but the incredible defensive capability (if healthy) of the Clippers is enough to convince me... but health is no small matter and a lot can change over the course of the season. Lakers roster rounded out extremely well, but I'm still skeptical until seeing the pieces actually work together against elite competition. Out east it looks like Sixers or Bucks; both lost a key piece, but I really like the addition of Horford in Philly.  It'll also be interesting to see if the Nets succeed, or if Kyrie burns another team to the ground with his "leadership".
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2019, 03:26:33 PM
Honestly, the Sixers.

However, I have a $20 bet with a friend that the Lakers specifically beat the Sixers. If either team doesn’t make the Finals, the bet is off. I’m not much of a gambler.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 04:51:48 PM
Honestly, the Sixers.

However, I have a $20 bet with a friend that the Lakers specifically beat the Sixers. If either team doesn’t make the Finals, the bet is off. I’m not much of a gambler.
Funny thing about this is pretty much all the 2K20 sims have those two teams playing each other in the Finals. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 05:10:56 PM
As for the both conferences, I see the Bucks or the 76ers coming out of the east. As a whole I see those two teams being the most ready to compete.  Both teams have lots of chemistry already with them just needed to implement their new signings and the regular season will do that.   Out west I see a few options.  Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Rockets and the Warriors in that order.  Lakers have two of the top 5 players in the game in LBJ and AD and the supporting cast I see lots of specialists and already from media day a few days ago everyone is already buying in and the few days of training camp they are working hard. The defense I feel is going to be surprising to folks. 

 Clippers they have most of their playoff team with Kawhi and George being implemented.  I see Kawhi being more of a plug and play type of player where he can go most anywhere and be efficient. George needs to come back from surgery and figure out that chemistry with Kawhi and then everyone else.   Nuggets I am picking to be the dark horse in the playoffs. They have that chemistry and they are younger than most teams but I feel like they can surprise folks.   The Rockets I think they are going to figure things out quicker than people are expecting since Westbrook and Harden has that history together it is just taking that history and implementing it in a new environment.   I do like the spacing Westbrook brings to everyone else.    Finally the Warriors I have the Warriors here just because they still have Curry, Klay and Dreymond.  Klay is going to be out for a good chunk of the season but that is where Dlo comes in and when Klay comes back the warriors are going to be a scary 3 headed guard monster. 

 I see that Lakers or Clippers coming out the west mostly because of the dynamics of the players involved.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 08:24:00 PM
Has anyone been keeping track on the SB 206 law in California about college athletes getting paid for their own likeness?  I am happy this has been signed and will go into law in 2023.   The way things are now students can't be paid at all in no form whatsoever.  John Oliver did a video a few years ago on how things are still. Check on YT and search John Oliver NCAA to learn more. 

With this new bill athletes would be able to make money off their own individuality.  It wouldn't have to come from the schools themselves but from sponsorships and other areas of monetary benefit.
Here is an article on the bill and why it is so important to LeBron James. https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/9/30/20892049/lebron-james-frank-vogel-weigh-sb-206-after-gavin-newsom-signs-law-on-hbo-shop-video-youtube
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on September 30, 2019, 08:53:46 PM
Personally, I'm not a fan of NCAA athletes getting paid when they're already getting scholarships (and, thus, an education) along with the lion's share of the school's entire budget devoted to their care, money that should be going into actually educating the students or other programs such as music.

If students are going to get paid for playing sports, fine, but they should lose the scholarships and have to pay their own way with that money. Welcome to the real world you want so badly, kids.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on September 30, 2019, 09:05:15 PM
Student athletes make the schools a lot of money. I’m fine with paying them, but maybe re-allocate the athletic scholarship money to non-student athletes.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: NWR_insanolord on September 30, 2019, 10:57:17 PM
Personally, I'm not a fan of NCAA athletes getting paid when they're already getting scholarships (and, thus, an education) along with the lion's share of the school's entire budget devoted to their care, money that should be going into actually educating the students or other programs such as music.

If students are going to get paid for playing sports, fine, but they should lose the scholarships and have to pay their own way with that money. Welcome to the real world you want so badly, kids.

The bill isn't about athletes being paid by the school, and it doesn't allow that. It just says they should be able to profit from their own likeness in things like selling autographs, being in commercials, and having their likeness in video games, and in all those cases the money would be coming from outside entities, not the schools.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 30, 2019, 11:03:29 PM
Personally, I'm not a fan of NCAA athletes getting paid when they're already getting scholarships (and, thus, an education) along with the lion's share of the school's entire budget devoted to their care, money that should be going into actually educating the students or other programs such as music.

If students are going to get paid for playing sports, fine, but they should lose the scholarships and have to pay their own way with that money. Welcome to the real world you want so badly, kids.

The bill isn't about athletes being paid by the school, and it doesn't allow that. It just says they should be able to profit from their own likeness in things like selling autographs, being in commercials, and having their likeness in video games, and in all those cases the money would be coming from outside entities, not the schools.
Yeah what Insanolord says is how it would be with this new bill that's been signed.  Its basically like how the NBA is now as far as endorsements go.   

Draymond Green weighs in on the bill at the Warriors media day. It is at the 12:29 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGniuYP4gGA

Lebron's take on the bill today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTVf5A4hhxk
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ThePerm on October 02, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
The bots probably post these threads on this board because there is a n NBA thread nearby. Is there some sort of way we can make this thread more Bot-flycatchy?

Theres a megathread for baseball basketball football and soccer. A sports child board with wrestling might make this easier.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: NWR_insanolord on October 02, 2019, 07:10:40 PM
There wouldn't be enough sports threads to justify that. The reason we did it with movies and TV is it allowed for individual franchises and shows to get their own topics, which would have clogged General Chat too much.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 02, 2019, 10:25:07 PM
I'm generally in support of student-athletes getting paid.  They're essentially employees of the school.  The "scholarship" argument has always been weak to me since some players have two a day practices during the week and/or separate gym workouts, leaving little room for classes and studying.  To the point where most of the student-athletes don't have the capacity for a "real" major (i.e., one that would push them into a career that suits their skills).  Also, not one fan of college football even gives a **** about their education.  Not once during a press conference does anyone think "those kids should be studying".  So how are they supposed to take it seriously?  The scholarships can also be taken away for injuries, forcing the student-athletes to pay for their own medical expenses as well as their education.

But the idea that students couldn't benefit from their own likeness was always the most absurd to me.  Others are benefiting from the work of students and jerseys are even sold with their jersey numbers.  But heaven forbid anyone give the kid with a 3500 calorie /day requirement and extra sandwich because he's recognizable.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 02, 2019, 10:54:54 PM
There are some valid discussion points around how an "amateur athlete" should be defined, and how that relates to income for the kids... but the NCAA rules have long been absurd relics considering the amount of money generated by college sports programs.

The type of student athletes who would be able to generate profit using their likeness often seem to be treated as little more than disposable assets for the school. Arguing that a scholarship alone provides fair value (even assuming a best-case scenario where no injuries or other problems occur and the student decides to stay for the duration of the degree) doesn't seem reasonable to me, as there is extremely little focus placed on academics for these students and extremely high demands from the school/sports program they are representing.

In short: I'd be happy for the students if this ends up changing; many get paid under the table anyway, and anything that reduces the need for that type of scenario is a good change in my books.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 03, 2019, 12:41:32 AM
The students who would profit the most are not even expected to be in college for the full four years, making the scholarship moot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 06, 2019, 11:34:32 AM
Watched some highlights of the Warriors and Lakers preseason game last night and I do like that the Lakers are big up front and I did like what I saw of the team as a whole.  AD scored 22 points and snatched up 10 rebounds in 18 minutes. LeBron got a team high 8 assists.  I do like the starting lineup of Avery Bradley, Danny Green, LeBron James, Anthony Davis and JaVale McGee.  You have defense and spacing in the backcourt and up front some playmaking, defense and lob targets.    I also have to say that I liked the bench.  Howard was solid in his time nearly getting a double double with 9 points and 9 rebounds and playing solid defense and setting screens for others. He was also more active off the ball and moving around.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 06, 2019, 07:30:50 PM
Lakers looked like BEAST yesterday....
I didn't get to watch live, but caught the highlights.
The Warriors didn't start off the best, but then again, we were down both WCS and Looney, so down low was wide open with a rookie on the block.

I think Lakers are definitely handling some business this season, but don't count the Warriors out yet.
We making the payoffs too (barring injuries and Klay coming back just before All-Star Break).


Anyone care make a Pre-Season East/West Playoff Prediction? Deadline Saturday 10/12 (after final Pre-Season game is over)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2019, 10:23:39 AM
Anthony Davis bricked a lot of jumpers. He was so dominant with almost everything else (some missed assignments on transition defense) that it didn’t affect his game too much. He has to hit those at a better clip. If Davis can start making three pointers with more consistency, shut it down and give the man MVP.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 07, 2019, 10:30:37 AM
Anthony Davis bricked a lot of jumpers. He was so dominant with almost everything else (some missed assignments on transition defense) that it didn’t affect his game too much. He has to hit those at a better clip. If Davis can start making three pointers with more consistency, shut it down and give the man MVP.
Those were really the only two bad things he did for the time he played so if he can tighten those things up the Lakers are going to be dangerous.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 07, 2019, 05:58:20 PM
So...anyone up for discussing the case of the Houston Rockets GM whose job is at risk right now because he posted a pro-Hong Kong Independence Tweet, causing outrage from China that the NBA quickly rushed to denounce? It's pretty messed-up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGTbic3UEAALdKs.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 07, 2019, 06:15:18 PM
So...anyone up for discussing the case of the Houston Rockets GM whose job is at risk right now because he posted a pro-Hong Kong Independence Tweet, causing outrage from China that the NBA quickly rushed to denounce? It's pretty messed-up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGTbic3UEAALdKs.jpg)
Not treading those waters, man. Good luck to you though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 07, 2019, 06:25:01 PM
So...anyone up for discussing the case of the Houston Rockets GM whose job is at risk right now because he posted a pro-Hong Kong Independence Tweet, causing outrage from China that the NBA quickly rushed to denounce? It's pretty messed-up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/sports/basketball/nba-china-hong-kong.html)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGTbic3UEAALdKs.jpg)
Not treading those waters, man. Good luck to you though.

Well, that's why I asked before posting anything more.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 07, 2019, 07:49:18 PM
I think the only thing worth mentioning is that guy is almost certainly going to lose his job after costing the NBA a pretty hefty sum in lost revenue over a tweet.  Anything beyond that is . . . dicey territory.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 07, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
I'd prefer not to touch that subject, although will understand if others feel differently.

What I will say right now, however, is that it's absolute bullshit that NBA League Pass expressly excludes all Raptors games for Canadian viewers. Was hoping to stream content via Roku this year, but not sure now. There are some west coast teams I'd like to watch... but their games tend to run obscenely late. Maybe ordering League Pass isn't worthwhile and I'll just look for an illegal stream or go out to bars when trying to pick up a game.

What a bummer. :(
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 07, 2019, 10:11:37 PM
It's surprising that a tweet can cause this much drama.

You'd figure Morey admitted to TREASON (against the NBA) on twitter with how much negative response and quick retractions and apologetic ass kissings were made.
But Money Talks, so it's likely Morey Walks.
Maybe he should follow example and just double down and normalize his opinion on the matter. LOL

just kidding.

honest opinion. He should've known better than to get involved or publicly state any opinion on the matter whatsoever. He is a public figure, and coach of a team with a HUGE Chinese following, that all help pay him and his teams hefty salary. This matter also, as far as I know, does not directly or even indirectly affect him and/or his family, so he should have know to make the smart business decision when it comes to public statements on a worldwide platform.
We'll have to see if it blows over, or if Morey must make a public appearance in China to kiss the ring or whatever needs to be done to make amends for having a public opinion on the matter.

James Harden immediately put on some glittery lip gloss and got down on both knees to start kissin ass to apologize for the comment he didn't make on behalf of the team and organization... (and with the kind of money they making out of China.... honestly, I don't blame him. I probably wouldn't do the same, but I'm here in my bed posting online after busting my ass all year for a small fraction of what he makes per month, so who am I to speak :/)

But I don't know enough on the subject outside of the surface of the issue at hand to really comment on it in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 08, 2019, 09:32:41 AM
I didn’t have enough information on this yesterday to form an opinion. It treads a political line that I didn’t and don’t want to cross. I read up on it. This explainer (https://www.gq.com/story/hong-kong-protests-explained) is as good a place as any for anyone interested.

That said, I’m still not going to comment on the Hong Kong protest side of things. It’s a mess. I don’t feel like getting banned or being part of a big ol’ thing on this here vidyagames forum. I will comment on the NBA side of things. I’m disappointed by how quickly and fecklessly the league and Rockets owner/organization including some players turned its back on Daryl Morey right after tossing him under the bus. I mean, I understand why from a practical perspective (money... this is entirely about money) but also don’t from a human perspective. I’m not even referring to the human rights stuff which again, I don’t want to get into. Morey turned the Rockets into a title contender, and it’s disheartening to see in real time just how immediately the league and team were like, “Yeah, but **** you, Daryl.” One would think Morey went full-Chris Benoit with the way what, like everyone hung him out to dry. There’s no loyalty in sports, man. This is exactly why I almost always support players. Get paid because the team will drop you at the first sign of trouble, no matter what that may be.

China just suspended the broadcast of NBA games about an hour ago (the Lakers are set to play the Nets in Shanghai on Thursday) so, you know, that’s likely the last straw. Morey looks like he’s about to get fired. If/when he does, I’d expect him to sue. Based on skill, he should have no trouble finding another NBA job, but he may be considered toxic right now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 08, 2019, 09:54:01 AM
Silver Screen and Roll made a post about this and with Adam Silver's updated clarified statements he madelate on Monday night.  https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2019/10/8/20904350/cctv-tencent-wont-broadcast-lakers-vs-nets-preseason-games-china-statement-nba-adam-silver?fbclid=IwAR1dpbXmiI3rfsr5r4x8vA-QcGxbnFFLnIyl_6MYZ2YhEyybYGZdUWuJN3g

Few takeaways from the article is that Silver is stating that the US and China have different cultures and values so for the US free speech is a big thing. Like everyone should be able to say what they like but also be able to be called out for said speech.  As far as the Lakers/Nets game I am going to miss seeing two top teams play each other but some things are more important than a basketball game. With that I will stop there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Anthony Davis left today’s preseason game with a thumb sprain. Lakers are currently getting worked by the Nets. Hopefully Davis can stay healthy this season. Sorry for the shitty, blowout game, China.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2019, 10:48:36 AM
Who wants to bet that Daryl Morey has been uninvited to ALL official and unofficial NBA events, dinners, meetings, mixers, or even conference calls.... because of a single tweet that just potentially cost the league $1B a year in licensing, merchandise, advertising, etc etc

I heard he made his way to China over the weekend to try to smooth this out...
maybe he comes back minus a pinky finger or toe (or is that more Yakuza)
either way, if he actually made the trip, there is no way he doesn't come back with out selling out and [abbr: he gonna get on his knees and "enjoy" what happens to him next]debasing him some in some way[/abbr] for the sake of his job and pockets of the league.
and if that happens... don't be surprised if he comes back "different" in some way.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 12, 2019, 05:17:57 PM
Anthony Davis left today’s preseason game with a thumb sprain. Lakers are currently getting worked by the Nets. Hopefully Davis can stay healthy this season. Sorry for the shitty, blowout game, China.

This is what terrifies me about the Lakers.

The Lakers team looks really good - far better than I had expected when you run down the margins - but they still rely heavily on superstars: one aging and one frequently hurt. Will they be able to keep LeBron and the Brow healthy? How many games will they miss, and when? Eep...

That said, if they are healthy during the playoffs then not much else matters.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2019, 05:41:08 PM
That’s fair. In Davis’ defense, he sprained his thumb on a regular blocked shot rather than re-aggravating old injury. I didn’t see the play. It’s encouraging that the sprain is considered Grade 1 so he’ll be back in no time. Frank Vogel just pulled LeBron James from the game after that. If the point is to build chemistry between the two, it didn’t make sense to have only one of them out there. I think the Lakers will do a better job of managing James’ minutes this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2019, 12:15:49 AM
Yeah Vogal has been stressing chemisty between Davis and James and which pieces work next to the two players.  We have seen Rondo and Bradley at point guard thus far but I am wondering if we will see Caruso or Cook for the starting point guard for the 4th and final preseason game.  Also Kuzma was supposed to get a MRI when they got back from China so we will see how he is doing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2019, 12:27:18 AM
One other thing is that the Phoenix Suns scored 134 points without Booker, Ayton and Rubio in the lineup versus the Blazers who scored 118 points.  CJ and Dame were in the starting lineup for the Blazers.  Here was the lineup for the Suns.
Jevon Carter, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges, Dario Saric and Aron Banes. 3 players off the bench scored at least 16 points in Kamenski, Cameron Johnson and Tyler Johnson.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 13, 2019, 12:07:52 PM
...
Jevon Carter, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges, Dario Saric and Aron Banes. 3 players off the bench scored at least 16 points in Kamenski, Cameron Johnson and Tyler Johnson.

"Preseason doesn't count" caveats aside, I like a lot of those players - or at least I like the potential they have that has only been shown in flashes so far.

I'm not confident in the Suns doing well this year. But they should be interesting to watch and to cheer for!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 13, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
...
Jevon Carter, Kelly Oubre Jr, Mikal Bridges, Dario Saric and Aron Banes. 3 players off the bench scored at least 16 points in Kamenski, Cameron Johnson and Tyler Johnson.

"Preseason doesn't count" caveats aside, I like a lot of those players - or at least I like the potential they have that has only been shown in flashes so far.

I'm not confident in the Suns doing well this year. But they should be interesting to watch and to cheer for!
I don't think they will make the playoffs but I do think they will win 35 to 37 games this year.  I am going to try and make a game a month and see how they play.  I do already have tickets for the home opener versus Sacramento on the 23rd. It should be fun.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 13, 2019, 02:44:21 PM
There will definitely be lots of good, young talent on the floor. Opening night should be a party!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 16, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
Frank Vogel confirmed Anthony Davis is available.

Also, for anyone still following the China/NBA situation, LeBron James is getting dragged for recent comments. This article (https://deadspin.com/lebron-made-his-choice-and-he-chose-lebron-1839067944) does a good job of explaining why. It focuses more on the NBA side so I feel okay sharing it. I want no part of the geopolitical stuff.

I just want the season to start already, man.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 16, 2019, 03:08:28 PM
Ugh. I wish the Hong Kong controversy would go away.

That said, it's surprising that LeBron commented at all. I understand he might feel an obligation to say something, as one of the most outspoken and covered individuals in the league... but I still thought he was smart enough to focus on matters where he can control (or at least, affect) the narrative instead of wading into extremely touchy foreign politics.


Is anyone else watching preseason games?  I took the leap into League Pass this year, which might be questionable since I'm from Canada and they block all Raptors games here by default due to local network contracts...

Still, it's awfully nice to have games on demand available again. Even if they are meaningless preseason games with players who won't be on the teams next week. Last year I was focused on "my team". This year, I'm looking forward to watching a couple of different teams to see how young talent around the league is developing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 16, 2019, 04:21:36 PM
I feel like LeBron can't win either way.    Say that he isn't as knowledgable about a certain issue must mean he is on the side of the oppressors and that he is just about his brand.  If he speaks out about something he gets yelled down at and to just dribble the basketball.   At the same time because he wasn't as informed as he is about his other projects means his other work didn't mean anything.  LeBron can't win.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 16, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
Is anyone else watching preseason games?  I took the leap into League Pass this year, which might be questionable since I'm from Canada and they block all Raptors games here by default due to local network contracts...

I'd like to have seen some of the Jazz's pre-season games, but they perplexingly haven't really been broadcast. Not that I would want to see them, considering how poorly this new Jazz team is coming together so far. With Favors and Crowder gone, the Jazz seem to have no defense whatsoever anymore despite still having Gobert. It's not looking good so far.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 17, 2019, 12:02:35 AM
I accept that LeBron misspoke on calling the Rockets GM "misinformed" or whatever. But I think what he's really not saying is that the league was in a tough situation with China while he was there . When he mentioned the consequences of saying things, he's probably referring to a reasonable fear for the safety of his teammates, league employees who were there, fans, and his own.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 17, 2019, 07:32:20 AM
Good to see Davis back already for the Lakers, and the team look like they are having fun early on.

(Granted, I'm not putting meaning into preseason results, when many teams aren't taking things seriously yet. The only truly important thing is for players to be healthy when the season starts.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 18, 2019, 04:52:41 PM
Bradley Beal signed a two-year extension (really a one year extension because the second year is an option he’s absolutely going to decline). Didn’t see this one coming, but it makes sense. First, Beal is easier to trade even though his extension is being billed a commitment to the Wizards. Having that extra year means the Wizards can demand more assets but teams won’t feel as burdened since they’ll at least get an extra guaranteed year. Second, when Beal inevitably declines the second year option, he’ll conveniently be eligible for a 10-year vet max.

Zion Williamson is out for several weeks with a right knee injury. Dude has to get leaner. His athleticism is absurd. What good is that if his knees and eventually his back can’t support the weight. Williamson should be 250 lbs to 260 lbs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 18, 2019, 06:54:04 PM
To note: this is the same knee injury that was hurt the last time Zion played meaningful basketball, which was at Duke when his sneaker blew apart during a game.  Two back-to-back knee injuries before his first real NBA game is pretty worrying.  Coach Gentry made light of it, but Zion, being 19, is probably not gonna be as bothered by an injury mentally/emotionally as a more experienced player, especially his first one as a professional.  We'll have to wait and see, but I agree that Zion should probably cut weight.  As we saw with Blake Griffin, playing primarily above the rim is bad for the body, and as we saw with Derrick Rose, habitually bad knees are bad for the career.  The extra weight is probably not helping Zion's situation in either regard.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 19, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Unfortunately Alex Caruso got hurt the last preseason game versus the Warriors with a bone contusion in the pelvis area.  He should be fine and I think he is day to day.  X-Ray came back negative which means there was no fracture but the Lakers will have more tests to make sure there isn't any bone bruise there.

As to how the Lakers played this preseason they played well in most games not in China and in the last game versus the Warriors in the states they rested the most likely starters and played Caruso,Troy Daniels, KCP, Dudley and Devontae Cacok to start the game.  For a good portion of the 1st and 2nd quarter they were up but the rest of the game they were not able to hold back Curry, Dlo and Green in scoring and rebounds.  Dlo and Curry scored 61 points and Dreymond had 12 rebounds.   

I did like the output from the bench for the Lakers. Kostas has 7 points, 6 rebounds and 5 blocks and Zach Norvel Jr had 29 points, 5/10 from three in 38 mins.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 21, 2019, 04:14:44 PM
Laker's Film Room have done a piece on Dwight Howard's health and the journey he has taken on getting back to where he needs to be mentally and physically. It is a good watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTx4eWbvN64
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 21, 2019, 07:53:48 PM
I worry a little bit that the mental prep isn't related to injuries - Howard has a reputation for being famously immature - but maybe the ups and downs over his career and related to his health will have changed him.  If there is no issue with ego or locker room fit, he should be an awesome fit for the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 21, 2019, 10:34:41 PM
Dwight Howard’s career was on the line. If that wasn’t enough to get him back in shape as well as humbled, nothing would and he’d be out of the league. Money isn’t a concern for him. I think he really just loves to play basketball and have fun.

Having a generational player entering his prime puts things in perspective. Howard can’t demand superstar treatment because he isn’t one anymore. Also, a big plus that Kobe is retired.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 21, 2019, 11:03:51 PM
I worry a little bit that the mental prep isn't related to injuries - Howard has a reputation for being famously immature - but maybe the ups and downs over his career and related to his health will have changed him.  If there is no issue with ego or locker room fit, he should be an awesome fit for the Lakers.
I think it is exactly that. He has had ups and downs since joining the Lakers the first time and he just wants to belong to a team that will enjoy what Dwight can bring to the team with defense rebounds, screen and rolls, lobs and a little bit passing. The passing is kinda surprising to me as the last time I really saw him pass a lot was when he was with the magic and it was out of the post to shooters but now there is lots of handoffs and smart passes to cutters so it is nice that he can bring that to the Lakers and he will also give rest to JaVale and still get similar production when Dwight is on the court. I kinda think this is a win win for the Lakers and Dwight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 21, 2019, 11:29:23 PM
Zion gets surgery, will be out 6 to 8 weeks. (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897494/zion-williamson-undergoes-knee-surgery-6-8-weeks)

As much as they downplayed the injury, the fact that it required surgery feels ominous about the kid's career.  Here's to hoping he doesn't see any more injuries.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 22, 2019, 12:39:04 AM
Zion gets surgery, will be out 6 to 8 weeks. (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27897494/zion-williamson-undergoes-knee-surgery-6-8-weeks)

As much as they downplayed the injury, the fact that it required surgery feels ominous about the kid's career.  Here's to hoping he doesn't see any more injuries.

Zion looks fantastic when he plays, but his weight worries me.
It's just a lot of strain to place on the body when moving and jumping with such explosiveness.

Really hope he ends up being healthy though; watching the young Pelicans play was going to be one of my goals this season, but without Zion healthy they aren't nearly as intriguing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2019, 05:48:40 AM
My goal was to make my first game at the new Warriors stadium a Dubs vs Pels game, but it has to be atleast 8-10 weeks from now when Zion is healthy.

I was looking forward to seeing him vs the New Look Warriors.
I might settle for Dubs v Kings game instead. I'm looking for something I don't need to take a small loan out for to go see, but still interesting to watch. LOL.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 22, 2019, 02:28:32 PM
REGULAR SEASON STARTS TODAY......

and the first new NBA news I get is that Steve Kerr says Klay won't be back this season :(

It's not definitive, and I expect Klay to want to come back asap, but I know he's also not gonna rush it, since he already got his Brinks Truck delivery. I'm still holding out hope for a post All-Star Break Warriors push when Klay comes back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 22, 2019, 03:19:19 PM
I’m going to try to stay up for the Lakers game, but it starts 10:30 PM EST (or really closer to 11:00 PM). I’m old; I need sleep!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 23, 2019, 12:03:20 AM
And... I'm out at halftime of the Lakers vs Clippers. Leonard is some kind of machine. His strength and efficiency are unmatched. Even though I'm still sad that he left the Raptors, it's fun to see him work.

In the other game, Raptors needed extra time and looked a step slow defensively all night long... but still pulled out a win to start their season. Seeing how limited and flawed the rotation was raises doubts about what kind of record they'll be able to manage - but there were no questions about Siakam or VanVleet. Big time performances from both players. Bet on yourself, indeed.


For opening night games, the overall quality of ball was better than I expected.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2019, 12:14:20 AM
This is hard to watch. Lakers down by 11 now. Contemplating going to bed.

EDIT: Now down by six. Man, Danny Green was a great signing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 12:21:19 AM
Not going to stop rooting the Lakers until the clock hits 0.00.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2019, 12:24:29 AM
I’m not going to stop rooting for the Lakers. I live on the East Coast, and I have work in the morning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 12:36:33 AM
Danny Green with 18 points in the 3rd quarter. 85-85 at the end of the 3rd.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 01:12:52 AM
Sigh Lakers lost 112 to 102.  Danny Green led all Lakers scorers with 28 points. Kawhi had 30. All the Clippers bench that played had at least 10 points.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 23, 2019, 06:33:19 AM
Green was such an amazing pick-up for the Lakers. Perfect fit. He won't always score that much, but he'll always impact the game. Weird to see Leonard and Green on different teams though!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 23, 2019, 10:48:40 AM
We haven't even STARTED our 1st game yet, and the corpse of Dante Exum is right back on the Injured List.  :rolleyes:

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2019/10/22/20927697/dante-exum-ruled-out-of-season-opener-vs-thunder (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2019/10/22/20927697/dante-exum-ruled-out-of-season-opener-vs-thunder)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
Lakers are tied for last with the Orleans Pels.

hows it feel?

(hopes Warriors don't lose season opener....)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2019, 11:39:36 AM
It was weird seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger look small next to Kawhi Leonard and Paul George in that NBA/Terminator: Dark Fate commercial.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: nickmitch on October 23, 2019, 11:41:13 AM
Lakers might still make the playoffs but each injury takes them a step away from it.  If LeBron or AD get hurt, then it's pretty much over.

Now, the Warriors may be in trouble this year.  They're a low seed without Klay, still a playoff team, but I wouldn't be quick to put them back in contention.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 11:45:17 AM
Lakers are tied for last with the Orleans Pels.

hows it feel?

(hopes Warriors don't lose season opener....)
Someone has to lose each game and it just so happened to be the Lakers last night. 1 Game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 23, 2019, 11:47:35 AM
BNM was joking.

But to answer his question: tiring. I stayed up past 1:00 AM. It would have been nice to get the W. Still, it’s nice to have basketball back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 23, 2019, 02:22:06 PM
We have some Lakers fans; can someone here sell me on Brandon Ingram?

He seems to get a tremendous amount of hype as an up-and-coming star, but I've never been lucky enough to see a performance from him that made me believe that hype. Ingram always looks amazingly talented, but rarely shows the kind of desire or passion that you want from a star player - although maybe that's due to age or role?

It was interesting to see him go against Siakam (who was drafted the same year) last night. Different players in a lot of ways, but they match up pretty well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
I got my tickets for the Suns vs Kings game tonight at 7pm. It should be fun.

 
We have some Lakers fans; can someone here sell me on Brandon Ingram?

He seems to get a tremendous amount of hype as an up-and-coming star, but I've never been lucky enough to see a performance from him that made me believe that hype. Ingram always looks amazingly talented, but rarely shows the kind of desire or passion that you want from a star player - although maybe that's due to age or role?

It was interesting to see him go against Siakam (who was drafted the same year) last night. Different players in a lot of ways, but they match up pretty well.
I mean I haven't seen him in person play but from the highlights that I have seen a lot of the hype is mainly about his length, rebounding and scoring.  Like if you look at him he is kinda lanky with the length of his arms so he can use that for getting into passing lanes for steals and also since his arms are so long he can shoot over smaller guards and forwards. It is just a matter of putting everything together.  He has very good hands so he can rebound well and receive the basketball on the block and go from there.  His scoring when he was playing last year for the Lakers was kinda odd because at the start of the season he needed the ball to score and really wasn't an off ball player. So with LeBron out there it was kind of an odd pairing at the start of the season.  Later on in the season he learned how to play off ball and did better before the tail end of the season where he had the blood clot problems.

Here is a video of his highlights last season.
for BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yln440qA9E
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 23, 2019, 08:14:10 PM
I got my tickets for the Suns vs Kings game tonight at 7pm. It should be fun.

I almost thought you were near Sac, then I looked up the game and they playing in Phoenix.

I was definitely just joking about the Lakers.
only 2 teams have played and lost so far, so this may be the last time I can say Lakers are dead last in the league. (unless Utah can upset on Friday) LOL

edit:
And I know it's only the 1st game of the season, but KD gotta be sitting on the bench watching his team down almost 20 to the Timberwolves halfway though the 2nd, and wondering.... "I hope I didn't make a mistake...."

narrators response: He did
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 08:27:09 PM
I got my tickets for the Suns vs Kings game tonight at 7pm. It should be fun.

I almost thought you were near Sac, then I looked up the game and they playing in Phoenix.

I was definitely just joking about the Lakers.
only 2 teams have played and lost so far, so this may be the last time I can say Lakers are dead last in the league. (unless Utah can upset on Friday) LOL
I guess I should of flipped the teams around to distinguish between away and home for next time.  I wish I lived in North California. I miss California. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 23, 2019, 08:48:55 PM
On my way down to the game!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 23, 2019, 09:07:26 PM
On my way down to the game!!

So lucky!  Enjoy it! :D
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 24, 2019, 12:22:27 AM
Thunder - 95
Jazz - 100

The New Look Jazz finally find their defense and get a win behind a 32 point night from Donovan Mitchell.


Not a pretty night, but I'll take a win where I can get one. Some small takeaways:

- Mike Conley had an absolutely atrocious night, scoring 5 points & 5 assists on 1/16 shooting. We built our entire new team around him, so between the preseason and tonight he needs to step up.

- Bogdanovic didn't have the best 3 point shooting night, but he looked great and it's very much clear that just having him on that floor is making life so much easier for Donovan.

- Royce O'Neal is stepping up nicely in replacing Favors as Starting PF. If he keeps this up, he's going to get a nice new contract at the end of the season.

- The Jazz may have finally found a quality backup PG in Emmanuel Mudiay, who easily outplayed Conley tonight. Coach Snyder certainly seems to have faith in him.

- The Thunder's Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is a terror. They are going to have a long and possibly prosperous future if they build around him.

On a side note, the All Star Game is finally coming back to Salt Lake City in 2023. Maybe people will shut up about the "night life" this time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2019, 12:32:20 AM
I'm glad the Jazz (outside of Conley) looked good tonight.
Now bring it (including Conley this time) against the Lakers on Friday, and suck the wind of LeDavis' sails.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2019, 02:12:34 AM
Suns beat the Kings 124 to 95.
It was pretty fun going to my first ever Suns game. They has a fan fest sort of thing a few hours before the game started and I caught the tail end of it because I had to get ready for the game and I had an early morning today with the forum here and going out to South Phoenix for an event earlier in the day. 

So yeah the game. Rubio was a difference maker and for a good chunk of the game he made the right pass. Looking at his assist to turnover ratio it was 11/4 which is solid. He was also jumping for loose balls and getting steals. He had a double double with 11 points and 11 assists with 6 boards. 

Ayton was pretty dominate down low as he had 18 points and 11 boards and he was getting in the right position to cut or just post up on the high block and do some moves to get him inside.

Booker was very solid with his scoring and passing but it wasn't like last season where it was PointBook where he would facilitate the offense. Tonight it was just him being in a good position to make a smart pass and someone scoring. Booker led Sun scorers with 22.  Buddy Hield had 28.

Oubre Jr was very solid with the scoring with 21 and was a pest with defense on Barnes and Bogdan Bodanovic.

Starting lineup for the Suns is what you might of expected in Rubio, Booker, Oubre Jr Saric and Ayton.   Bench was Kaminski, Baynes, Jevon Carter, Mikal Bridges, Tyler Johnson.  Okobo, Cheick Diallo and Jared Harper played the last 2 mins of the game.

But yes my fave player on the Suns over Booker, Rubio, Oubre Jr and Ayton is Mikal Bridges.  He didn't score much tonight but he was steller on defense and using that extra pass to get to the open man and making good reads in the passing lanes to get fast breaks going.    I went into the Team Shop before the game and the only merch they had of Mikal Bridges was a 110 dollar jersey.  Ridiculous. At least would have been nice to have a tee with his number on it but no.

One other thing I noticed was how the Suns played team defense by covering each other so players can get where they need to be and calling out  assignments as they were heading back on D. 

Solid game.  Next game I am going to try and make it to is the Pelicans game next month. I have to see how Lonzo, Ingram and Hart are playing. Maybe Zion will be back by then.

Here was the view from my seat.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ck1N0Cw.jpg)

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 24, 2019, 07:57:45 AM
...
- The Thunder's Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is a terror. They are going to have a long and possibly prosperous future if they build around him.
...

Agreed - I think that kid has a bright, bright future ahead of him. Looks great on both ends, plays hard and seems way more composed than I typically expect for someone his age.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2019, 12:16:35 PM
Here is a podcast from The Timeline a Phoenix Suns Podcast about the first game of the season. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIJbVchpoio
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 24, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
Man, Kyrie had to put up 50 in the season opener against the TWolves just to barely lose in OT.

I bet he can't WAIT till next season starts. Lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2019, 11:22:35 PM
So this is a weird 24 hours. Ayton was tested and he had a positive testing for a durietic. Ayton said he was trying to lose weight but used the wrong thing. That got him a 25 game suspension. Tradionally a durietic is used for rapid weight loss but there are times where they can be used by drug abusers to hide the presence of a more worse drug in the system.  Then there was another test on Ayton that showed there was no presence of any other banned substance. So that 25 game suspension is going to fasttracted through the NBPA to push for a reduction asap.   Also in practice Ty Jerome sustained a right ankle sprain and there is no time table for return but will be reevaluated over the next 2 to 4 weeks.

Ayton's response.
Quote
"I want to apologize to my family, the entire Suns organization, my teammates, partners, our fans and the Phoenix community. This was an unintentional mistake and unfortunately I put something in my body that I was completely unaware of. I do understand the unfortunate impact that this has on so many others, and for that I am deeply sorry. I’m extremely disappointed that I’ve let my team down. I will continue to work with the NBPA to go through arbitration and am hopeful of a positive resolution.

Story on Ayton. https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019/10/24/20931460/woj-ayton-could-be-suspended-25-games-phoenix-suns
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Post by: ejamer on October 25, 2019, 12:03:52 AM
Oh, I came to lament Ayton and Bagley both being out for a while, but am glad to hear that maybe one of those issues isn't as serious as it first sounded.  (Unfortunately, I don't think there can be any arbitration for a broken thumb.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 12:16:20 AM
Oh, I came to lament Ayton and Bagley both being out for a while, but am glad to hear that maybe one of those issues isn't as serious as it first sounded.  (Unfortunately, I don't think there can be any arbitration for a broken thumb.)
Sorry about Bagley I did see one of the Kings player go down after a play which resulted in a basket for the Suns.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
Oh Warriors.... :(

I can't say I'm familiar with 80% of the people on my team on the floor for 70% of the game.
It's just game 1. We will have some breakouts. Improvements will be made. LOL
They gonna have LOTS of "tape' to watch tomorrow.

Hopefully we show some much needed correction in the game vs CP3 and the Thunder on Sunday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 01:53:28 AM
Oh Warriors.... :(

I can't say I'm familiar with 80% of the people on my team on the floor for 70% of the game.
It's just game 1. We will have some breakouts. Improvements will be made. LOL
They gonna have LOTS of "tape' to watch tomorrow.

Hopefully we show some much needed correction in the game vs CP3 and the Thunder on Sunday.
I know the Warriors front court isn't the best right now but Zubac scored a double double in 17 minutes.  That shouldn't be happening. He did have some flashes of that last season with the Lakers but it wasn't a consistant thing.  I am not worrying about the Clippers right now but if they play the Jazz and dominate Gobert or some strong team defense like the Pacers and then I am going to start to worry.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Our defense was ****.
rotations on both defense and offense looked like work in progress.
Draymond was looking a little frustrated out there, but this is a mostly new group, so it's gonna take us some time. A rookie(?) was out there being bold, intercepting passes meant for D-Lo and holding the ball at the end of the 2nd when Steph was calling for it.... but I'm hoping the chemistry comes with a little more time.

I really hope WCS is almost back, because we really need a large presence with experience down in the paint.

But as I told my boy last night, this is game 1 of a new season with a new team in a new stadium against the season favorites (who are still missing PG13 :/). It's the next game vs the Thunder where I'm looking for improvements to the chemistry and corrections to the formula.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 10:32:29 AM
Yeah I think the teams which didn't have much turnover as far as the roster goes is going to be better situated to start off better than other teams that don't have that like say the Nuggets, Jazz, Clippers and Raptors are going to have a leg up on the competition.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 09:54:32 PM
Listening to the Suns play the Nuggets on the radio and I can hardly believe that they are up 37 to 25 with five mins left in the half.  I for sure thought that Ayton being out would have caused a collapse but Baynes and Kamenski is holding their own.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 10:09:05 PM
Okay wow Suns are up at the half with the score of 45 to 39. The Nuggets came back a little but the Suns held their own thus far.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2019, 10:41:41 PM
Suns are RISING!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 10:53:41 PM
Now it is the start of the 4th quarter and it is closer. Suns and Nuggets are tied 64.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
Watching the Lakers on espn.com via stream and it is a low scoring and slow paced game thus far. 14 to 12 Lakers with about 5 mins left in the 1st quarter.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 11:08:55 PM
This lineup of Davis, Green, Howard, KCP and Lebron is doing nicely.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 25, 2019, 11:30:18 PM
Unfortunately, the Jazz are short-handed tonight without Bogdanovic. He sprained his ankle early in the game against the Thunder. He came back to finish the game strong, but apparently that was just a temporary measure.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 11:33:25 PM
Suns are in a nail biter at the end of the 4th quarter. 90 to 89 Nuggets with 43.1 seconds left.

Rubio got fouled at the 3 point line and sent it into overtime making all 3 free-throws to tie it up 95 all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 11:42:06 PM
Unfortunately, the Jazz are short-handed tonight without Bogdanovic. He sprained his ankle early in the game against the Thunder. He came back to finish the game strong, but apparently that was just a temporary measure.
That is unfortunate. Sorry to hear that.   Jazz are keeping things competitive though. 36 to 35 Lakers nearing the end of the 1st half.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 25, 2019, 11:52:25 PM
So when I wasn't looking the Suns had three starters foul out in Rubio, Oubre Jr and Baynes. 

In OT they have Booker, Saric, Kaminsky, Carter and Tyler Johnson.   Booker has 5 fouls now.

19 seconds left in OT and it is Nuggets 108 to 107.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 12:01:18 AM
Booker got his jump shot blocked by Craig with 0.09 seconds. Grant got the rebound with 0.1 seconds. So close!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 01:06:38 AM
Lakers have been in control of the game since the middle of the 3rd quarter and it is looking like they will win tonight.  I am glad Caruso got on the court tonight in the 3rd to have another option at point guard with Cook and Bradley out there as well. 
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 01:15:26 AM
Lakers won 95 to 86. I really like the overall team defense that the Lakers played.  If you look at the box score you see that as a team the Lakers had 14 steals and 9 blocks. Also Green, Bradley, Caruso, Lebron, AD, McGee and Howard played really good defense.  I like this bounce back game for them.
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Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2019, 02:07:50 AM
Lakers won 95 to 86. I really like the overall team defense that the Lakers played.  If you look at the box score you see that as a team the Lakers had 14 steals and 9 blocks. Also Green, Bradley, Caruso, Lebron, AD, McGee and Howard played really good defense.  I like this bounce back game for them.

Well, I look forward to the rematch once all our starters are healthy and the team as a whole has had more of a chance to gel. Yeah, Donovan "got his" as usual, but our usual big players like Ingles and Gobert were just nowhere to be found on the offensive end. Ingles in particular doesn't seem to be adapting well to the "Manu Ginobili" role of being the starter-caliber player on the bench.

Also, on Twitter I saw someone make a joke about the Jazz needing to find the Monstar that stole Mike Conley's talent. Yeah...WTF, Conley? We restructured our entire team around acquiring you, and you've been **** ever since!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 02:16:46 AM
Lakers won 95 to 86. I really like the overall team defense that the Lakers played.  If you look at the box score you see that as a team the Lakers had 14 steals and 9 blocks. Also Green, Bradley, Caruso, Lebron, AD, McGee and Howard played really good defense.  I like this bounce back game for them.

Well, I look forward to the rematch once all our starters are healthy and the team as a whole has had more of a chance to gel. Yeah, Donovan "got his" as usual, but our usual big players like Ingles and Gobert were just nowhere to be found on the offensive end. Ingles in particular doesn't seem to be adapting well to the "Manu Ginobili" role of being the starter-caliber player on the bench.

Also, on Twitter I saw someone make a joke about the Jazz needing to find the Monstar that stole Mike Conley's talent. Yeah...WTF, Conley? We restructured our entire team around acquiring you, and you've been **** ever since!
I think only Kuzma and Rondo was out for the Lakers. Caruso was a game time decision.  Ingles looked like he strugged and if I am not mistaken isn't Gobert more defense oriented than offense oriented so he may not of been able to get much if I am correct?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2019, 02:36:50 AM
Lakers won 95 to 86. I really like the overall team defense that the Lakers played.  If you look at the box score you see that as a team the Lakers had 14 steals and 9 blocks. Also Green, Bradley, Caruso, Lebron, AD, McGee and Howard played really good defense.  I like this bounce back game for them.

Well, I look forward to the rematch once all our starters are healthy and the team as a whole has had more of a chance to gel. Yeah, Donovan "got his" as usual, but our usual big players like Ingles and Gobert were just nowhere to be found on the offensive end. Ingles in particular doesn't seem to be adapting well to the "Manu Ginobili" role of being the starter-caliber player on the bench.

Also, on Twitter I saw someone make a joke about the Jazz needing to find the Monstar that stole Mike Conley's talent. Yeah...WTF, Conley? We restructured our entire team around acquiring you, and you've been **** ever since!
I think only Kuzma and Rondo was out for the Lakers. Caruso was a game time decision.  Ingles looked like he strugged and if I am not mistaken isn't Gobert more defense oriented than offense oriented so he may not of been able to get much if I am correct?

He is, but the idea behind the new Jazz roster is that better spacing with all the players (now that, theoretically, the Jazz are a much bigger offensive threat) will allow Rudy to operate in the paint much more. Instead, his stats are down compared to his average. Hell, his rebounds are down, too.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 02:46:30 AM
Lakers won 95 to 86. I really like the overall team defense that the Lakers played.  If you look at the box score you see that as a team the Lakers had 14 steals and 9 blocks. Also Green, Bradley, Caruso, Lebron, AD, McGee and Howard played really good defense.  I like this bounce back game for them.

Well, I look forward to the rematch once all our starters are healthy and the team as a whole has had more of a chance to gel. Yeah, Donovan "got his" as usual, but our usual big players like Ingles and Gobert were just nowhere to be found on the offensive end. Ingles in particular doesn't seem to be adapting well to the "Manu Ginobili" role of being the starter-caliber player on the bench.

Also, on Twitter I saw someone make a joke about the Jazz needing to find the Monstar that stole Mike Conley's talent. Yeah...WTF, Conley? We restructured our entire team around acquiring you, and you've been **** ever since!
I think only Kuzma and Rondo was out for the Lakers. Caruso was a game time decision.  Ingles looked like he strugged and if I am not mistaken isn't Gobert more defense oriented than offense oriented so he may not of been able to get much if I am correct?

He is, but the idea behind the new Jazz roster is that better spacing with all the players (now that, theoretically, the Jazz are a much bigger offensive threat) will allow Rudy to operate in the paint much more. Instead, his stats are down compared to his average. Hell, his rebounds are down, too.
Maybe it is a matter of Conley getting in synch with the rest of the team and then the offense will flow better.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2019, 11:07:07 AM
When the Suns sets too soon and the Music stops too early.....

(https://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=5566;type=avatar) :moonface:

Hopefully come Sunday, the Warriors can perform a ritual to stop the Thunder from clapping.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 26, 2019, 10:52:29 PM
Well, considering that the Jazz are currently annihilating the Kings (who did the same to them in the pre-season) behind a 26 point night from Bogdanovic, I'd say his ankle recovery went well. Even Conley & Ingles have managed to have good nights. I wish these performances were against a team that actually mattered, but a win's a win.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 26, 2019, 11:42:03 PM
A win is a win.

On the Suns game tonight they are playing the Clippers tonight. 3rd quarter with 8:43 left. Clippers are up 64 to 62.  I am kinda surprised that the Suns are close right now.  Rubio and Ayton are out tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 27, 2019, 12:46:33 AM
I don't want to jinx it but the Suns are up 127 to 119 with 33 seconds left.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 27, 2019, 12:49:32 AM
Doc Rivers is clearing the bench. Suns win!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2019, 02:44:08 AM
Did the Lakers play tonight?

I got sent a vid on IG  of Lebron losing his "hair piece" live on TV during the game.
AD clued him in, then Bron attempts to fix it.

Did anyone else see that?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 27, 2019, 02:52:27 AM
Did the Lakers play tonight?

I got sent a vid on IG  of Lebron losing his "hair piece" live on TV during the game.
AD clued him in, then Bron attempts to fix it.

Did anyone else see that?
No the Lakers didn't play tonight. They played on Friday versus the Jazz.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 27, 2019, 10:17:34 AM
Here is the highlights from last nights Clippers vs Suns game here in Phoenix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SBtFtTaeZU

What I see is lots of hustle and good team D and just sharing the ball with everyone.  This isn't just Bookers team anymore. Others can step up also when the Suns are in need.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2019, 02:37:36 PM
Did the Lakers play tonight?

I got sent a vid on IG  of Lebron losing his "hair piece" live on TV during the game.
AD clued him in, then Bron attempts to fix it.

Did anyone else see that?

https://youtu.be/uYAWWpg56m4

Basically his hair weave slipped off during the game.
Dude just needs to let the hair go, or transplant from his beard. That's seems to grow in extra thick. Lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 27, 2019, 03:29:13 PM
Doc Rivers is clearing the bench. Suns win!!

Sure, it's early and this is only one game. I try to never read too much into early season results because the teams we see playing now aren't really up to speed yet.

But what a great game by the Suns. Must feel really good for long-suffering fans to see the potential come together like that!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
Sure, it's early and this is only one game. I try to never read too much into early season results because the teams we see playing now aren't really up to speed yet.

That's what us Warrior fans will say for now....

this **** is hard to watch. Everyone is SOOOOOOO out of Sync. There is absolutely no chemistry, and if the Warriors make the Playoffs at all.... it's obviously gonna be on the back on UMVP Curry.

I seriously don't know who 75% of the people on the team are, and they all seem like TRASH right now. can we please un-retire Livingston (did I just say that!?) and trade someone to the Grizz to get Iguodala back!? pleeeeez!!! The team looks soooo lost on defense and offense right now.
it's really hard to watch.

It would be one thing if they were just getting out played by the opponent, but this group plays like they just met each other as they were tipping off the ball.
OKC almost has as many points in the first half as they had for an entire game their previous 2 games. defense as a unit is just non-existent, and offense has been laughably bad.

At this rate, we gonna have to beg D-Lo to stay, not have him worry if he's gonna get traded before the deadline. LMAO

edit: I swear if I see one more Warrior game where the ball goes up on offense and EVERYONE in a Warrior jersey immediately turns their back to the basket and head to the other side of the court, only to have the ball either bounce to exactly where they were just standing, or bounce to right next to they were at in the moment of retreat, but no attempt made on the ball, because they weren't even looking to get a rebound, I'm going to fucking SCREAM at Kerr, Dray and everyone else that should be defensive minded on the damn team.

and now D-Lo gets himself ejected just to not be part of this **** show anymore.... smfh
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 27, 2019, 05:48:43 PM
Man, I'd love to hear what's said in the GS locker room.  Like most people, I expected a clear drop-off given the loss of talent this year, but you are dead on that it looks like people have no idea what they are even supposed to be doing out there. With communication that bad on the court, how much frustration will the guys used to winning have after the games are done??

Seriously though, until Klay gets back and is fully healthy, you know everything that happens is just putting in time. If they can develop or discover a couple of young talents to groom in the meantime, even if they don't win in the process, that's a long-term victory for the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 27, 2019, 06:34:37 PM
Dray has to be LIVID as he is the defensive glue, but I have a feeling DPOY Dray and UMVP Curry may not be making an appearance this year.

Dray is a great defender, as he can be all over the place, as he knows his teammates are covering the gaps and switching assignments on the fly. He now has to spent time making sure some guys are folling their assignments and watching their zones and not just following the ball while all the off-ball action happens behind them. This zone defense the Dubs been running has got to stop, but I don't think all these newbies can play switch defense that prior Dubs have had nearly perfected. Nothing they are doing from yesteryears is working as this group (outside of the Core 3) don't have a clue as to what to do or how to do it.

Curry will absolutely need to become the dominant ball handler in all live ball situations, D-Lo will have to adjust. They aren't running pick n roll situations right as they mostly just stick to Curry as he has no one to pass it to. No one besides Curry and D-Lo can consistently score to save their life. If any of them could just put up a decent number of successful attempts to make ignore them a costly move, Curry might be able to get open for a split second instead of exhausting himself trying to get open while lesser players take and miss wide open shots from all over the court.

On the plus side, ticket prices will probably come back down to reasonable levels for decent seats in the new year. At least one can hope. LOL
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Post by: Adrock on October 28, 2019, 12:02:42 AM
It’s nice to see the Lakers look like an NBA team again.

LeBron hit all his free throws so that’s always a plus.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 28, 2019, 06:26:16 PM
Dray has to be LIVID as he is the defensive glue, but I have a feeling DPOY Dray and UMVP Curry may not be making an appearance this year.

Dray is a great defender, as he can be all over the place, as he knows his teammates are covering the gaps and switching assignments on the fly. He now has to spent time making sure some guys are folling their assignments and watching their zones and not just following the ball while all the off-ball action happens behind them. This zone defense the Dubs been running has got to stop, but I don't think all these newbies can play switch defense that prior Dubs have had nearly perfected. Nothing they are doing from yesteryears is working as this group (outside of the Core 3) don't have a clue as to what to do or how to do it.

Curry will absolutely need to become the dominant ball handler in all live ball situations, D-Lo will have to adjust. They aren't running pick n roll situations right as they mostly just stick to Curry as he has no one to pass it to. No one besides Curry and D-Lo can consistently score to save their life. If any of them could just put up a decent number of successful attempts to make ignore them a costly move, Curry might be able to get open for a split second instead of exhausting himself trying to get open while lesser players take and miss wide open shots from all over the court.

On the plus side, ticket prices will probably come back down to reasonable levels for decent seats in the new year. At least one can hope. LOL

I was watching The Jump this morning and they were talking about how outside of the main players of Curry, Dreymond and maybe D'lo the rest of the players are going to have to adapt to a new playing style.  The gals on the show today was saying maybe the Warriors as a whole will have to figure out a new way to play to compliment everyone on the team and bringing the newer players in and figuring out what works for them and the main core as well.     

For BnM.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gor4mgCI6ME
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Post by: ejamer on October 28, 2019, 09:12:15 PM
...
The gals on the show today was saying maybe the Warriors as a whole will have to figure out a new way to play to compliment everyone on the team and bringing the newer players in and figuring out what works for them and the main core as well.     

Totally agree with what the commentators are saying - this isn't bringing one or two new players into an established system, it's closer to an entirely different team after you take into account the injuries Golden State are dealing with. Many of those pieces were huge on both sides of the ball, so now the offense and defense are both basically being rebuilt from scratch.

They won't stay this bad. Every player that gets healthy and comes back into their lineup will help to stabilize things. But wow, what a rough start for a team not used to losing games!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 28, 2019, 09:47:17 PM
We doing it right now tho.

Offensive rebounds lead to 2nd chance points.... Whowouldathunk!?
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Post by: broodwars on October 29, 2019, 12:46:17 AM
Jazz - 96
Suns - 95

What. A. GAME!  :D

Man, Bogdanovic was such an incredible GET this off-season. 29 points tonight shooting 50% from 3 Point land and 61% from the field. Donovan had 25 points himself.

The Suns very nearly had this game until the very end.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 29, 2019, 12:52:18 AM
So close. That foul at the end cost us overtime.  Fouled with .4 seconds left.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 29, 2019, 12:55:58 AM
Highlights.


For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-WNkxWK8g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-WNkxWK8g)

I'm surprised the refs called that last foul. Usually, they like to swallow their whistles when the game's that close and there's that little time left outside of watching the clock.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 29, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
So as a Laker fan I am happy with how the team is now but sometimes I wonder about all the young players we let go and are now on other teams and how they are doing.   Players like. Jordan Clarkson, Larry Nance Jr, D'lo Russell, Julius Randle, Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, Issac Bonga, Ivica Zubac Thomas Bryant and Moritz Wagner.  Basically any young player that was on the Lakers squad of Kobe's last year the 2015-2016 season and played at least one year after that year, so no Lou Williams, yes that one. 

So going forward I want to note how well each player is playing and I can do that because I found a few YT channels which show the highlights of one player and this guy is doing it for any player that plays each night.

Lets start with the Pelicans vs Warriors last night.

D'lo Russell first .
for BnM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSSMvu_JHg

Overall solid play with passing and shooting. I noticed that for the most part D'lo was bringing up the ball and was pretty effective in passing and creating their own shot. There was a few turnovers from the passes but I am going to chalk it up to new teammates.   He had a box score of 24 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists and 3 turnovers.

Over to the new look Pelicans with Hart, Ingram and Lonzo Ball. 

Josh Hart has the potential to be a good 3 and D player but he hasn't broken out yet. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq7_pAuSxO4

Lots of rebounds, shooting and some defense in that clip. Josh Hart had 12 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal and 1 block.

Brandon Ingram since Zion went down has been the leading scorer for the Pelicans. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmlFvvS2FLs
He made some good passes and because of his length he could get some shots over other players easier.  27 points, 10 boards, 6 assists, 2 steals and 2 turnovers. 

Lonzo Ball has actually improved his shooting and I think his shooting form since switching to the Pelicans over the offseason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJG2YQCx18
Lonzo had a pretty solid game with 12 points, 4 boards, 9 assists, 2 steals and 2 turnovers.

On to the Clippers versus the Hornets.

Ivica Zubac was traded down the hall to the Clippers for a 3 point shooting center last year who is now gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsFlNOi7x1w
He is playing really good defense down low and doing the extra pass when needed. He had 7 points, 6 boards, 1 assist, 5 blocks with 4 turnovers. 

On to the Cavs versus the Bucks.
Larry Nance Jr is the son of the very first Slam Dunk champ. So he does have that athletisim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1rAympr4jM
He had off the bench 15 points, 8 boards, 1 assist, 1 steal and 2 blocks.

Jordan Clarkson last season was pretty much the Cavs leading scorer when Kevin Love was out.
He looks to do that off the bench this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFmtsvVBNo8
Lots of scoring and some passing for him is what you expect from him.
17 points, 4 assists and 1 turnover.

Finally the Knicks and Randle versus the Bulls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqi2gdPwtIw
Lots of boards but also lots of turnovers for Randle.
13 points, 14 boards, 5 assists and 8 turnovers.  Nearly had the wrong type of triple double.  Otherwise a decent game.



Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 29, 2019, 08:06:20 PM
So Lakers are playing the Grizzlies tonight.  Howard was bought out by them so it is partially thanks to them that we are playing so well.   Ja Morant has been playing well and is one of 3 players in NBA history to score 30 points and 9 assists in one game within their first 3 career games. The other two being Trey Young and Isiah Thomas of the Detroit Pistons.

Kuzma and Rondo will be out once again but it is looking like Kuzma will play in the Lakers next 3 games at some point since he is 100% healthy. He just needs to get in some work in with some practices.

Caruso and Howard have been difference makers on the defensive end these past 3 games and have made a difference when they are on the floor. Hopefully they continue that versus the Grizzlies.

for BnM  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5NHBA4WG1k



Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 30, 2019, 02:07:27 AM
AD WITH 40 POINTS AND 20 REBOUNDS. HE ALSO SET A LAKERS FRANCHISE RECORD FOR FREE THROWS MADE IN A GAME WITH 26.HOWARD HAD THE PREVIOUS RECORD.  LAKERS FANS HAVEN'T SEEN THIS TYPE OF DOMINATION SINCE SHAQ!!!!

Oh excuse my excitement, where was I... Oh yes, Main standout stat from the box scores was that every player that played, which was everyone not injured, had at least 1 assist.  As a team they had 25 assists which is a little low but everyone stepped up with the assists.   Bench was solid with the energy and KCP scoring 13 points.  Fun stat: When KCP scores the Lakers are undefeated. Caruso had a team high 3 steals.

for BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2C7nmGB3gE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2019, 09:07:38 AM
I’m an old man. I couldn’t bring myself to stay up and watch the game. Thanks, CaCHookaMan on The YouTube for the 15 minute team highlights video.
KCP scoring 13 points.  Fun stat: When KCP scores the Lakers are undefeated.
MV-KCP in garbage time! He needs to play like that when it matters.

Nice to see McGee get minutes and lobs if only because he seemed to sulk the last couple games. He wasn’t playing that well and Howard was getting more minutes. Howard seems happy to be here so if playing McGee more keeps him engaged, go for it.

James got another chase down block. It’s like people haven’t learned. The only time I’ve seen him not get a chase down block was in the 2011 All-Star game when Kobe dunked with two hands. You can’t go up with a weak layup, guys.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 30, 2019, 08:48:36 PM
KCP actually played pretty well in the 1st and second quarters. Mainly with rebounding and playmaking. 

Looks like Kuzma is going to make his season debut versus the Mavs.  He is going to make a huge difference with the scoring he can bring.




In other news this happened...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiDnK_U-dRo

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 30, 2019, 09:06:45 PM
The Towns-Embiid scuffle is interesting.

Any bets on how much time will be missed?
Embiid can't have done himself any favors with the laughter and fake boxing by his bench after the fact.
It wasn't really that bad though - just looked rough at first because it's two massive dudes involved. Not really any punches though, just a lot of grabbing and holding.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2019, 09:09:59 PM
The Towns-Embiid scuffle is interesting.

Any bets on how much time will be missed?
Embiid can't have done himself any favors with the laughter and fake boxing by his bench after the fact.
It wasn't really that bad though - just looked rough at first because it's two massive dudes involved. Not really any punches though, just a lot of grabbing and holding.

I dunno, dude. What looked like choking at the tail end of it by the Sixers player was pretty bad.  It's way too early in the season for players to be getting into fights like this.

I'm inclined to dislike the Sixers player more because he started it with the shoving and finished it with the choking (not to mention the mockery with the boxing poses on the sidelines), but both players were definitely fighting. I'd say probably a handful of games out for the Wolves player, and a few more for the Sixers player along with fines.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 30, 2019, 09:33:06 PM
That was Simmons at the end who you are talking about?

So I might be wrong, but the choking looked to me more like just trying to keep Towns on the ground and away from a real fight. Towns looked hot, and while Simmons was more aggressive than you'd probably like pinning him that way, I'd give him benefit of the doubt. (Since Simmons wasn't ejected after video review, I'm betting the officials feel the same way.)

But Embiid deserves whatever they give him for making it all a joke. I know that taunting and trash talk and getting under opponents skin is his "thing"... but dude acts like an idiot way too often and looked proud of himself for instigating the scuffle.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2019, 09:44:37 PM
That was Simmons at the end who you are talking about?

So I might be wrong, but the choking looked to me more like just trying to keep Towns on the ground and away from a real fight. Towns looked hot, and while Simmons was more aggressive than you'd probably like pinning him that way, I'd give him benefit of the doubt. (Since Simmons wasn't ejected after video review, I'm betting the officials feel the same way.)

But Embiid deserves whatever they give him for making it all a joke. I know that taunting and trash talk and getting under opponents skin is his "thing"... but dude acts like an idiot way too often and looked proud of himself for instigating the scuffle.

OK, yeah, I didn't notice that Embid slithered away when I first watched the replay, leaving Simmons to deal with Towns. In all the scuffle, I was just drawn to distinguishing blue and white jerseys. Curious what the league will do regarding players leaving the bench on this. The commentators mentioned that "the benches are emptying" when the fight started.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 30, 2019, 09:48:56 PM
Despite what the announcers said it looked like Simmons was holding Towns down.  Simmons arm wasn't curled around Towns neck, tight like a choke, but below the neck just because of all the pressure of all the people above Simmons pushing down on him. I think Embid did it on purpose just to demoralize the Timberwolves more since they we down by 20.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
Why would anyone need to demoralize a team down by 20?

Suspensions may be a game or two. The league usually drops the suspension hammer based on punches thrown. Towns may have thrown a punch after Embiid pushed him, but he also hooks his arm around Embiid so one can make the argument that it wasn’t a punch.

Whatever. I don’t care who started it. There’s no place for that. I remember last year when Brandon Ingram was throwing a haymaker on a Chris Paul. GTFO with that nonsense. Want to send a message, win the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 30, 2019, 10:26:32 PM
Why would anyone need to demoralize a team down by 20?
...

Clearly you don't have the same personality that Embiid does.

What a great night of games in the NBA, though. A lot of ridiculous action tonight!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 30, 2019, 10:53:18 PM
Clearly you don't have the same personality that Embiid does.
Yeah, clearly. If Embiid gets suspended, the Sixers are going to have a hard time against the Blazers on Saturday. Was it worth rubbing salt in the wounds of a team you’re blowing out if it means potentially missing one or more games? Only he can say. However, if you’re going to literally cry after Kawhi Leonard ends your season then say you let your team down, maybe your best move isn’t to let your team down again at the beginning of the next season. I like Embiid; there’s just not fucking place in the game for this behavior.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 30, 2019, 11:03:57 PM
Suns are up against the Warriors tonight.  Suns are up 39 to 11 in the 1st quarter. Suns with a 29 to 1 run.
To end the 1st quarter the Suns are up 43 to 13.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 30, 2019, 11:40:36 PM
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Is a good thing I like to watch other teams play too....
This is B.R.U.T.A.L.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 30, 2019, 11:44:29 PM
Hey, guys? I think the real Mike Conley finally traded places back with his twin brother today, because he's actually playing like the guy we traded for in tonight's game against the Clippers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on October 31, 2019, 12:04:55 AM
Kawhi is on load management. That explains a lot.

I can’t stand Pat Beverley so continue this drubbing, Jazz.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 12:13:58 AM
Yep rooting against The Clippers and Kawhi this season. George less so because he was part of the packaged deal to get Kawhi to the Clips. Kawhi pretty much had the control with his choice.  Go Jazz!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2019, 12:17:51 AM
The Clippers are making a nice run right now, so now's the time for Quin Snyder to put the fear of death into the Starters again and finish them off.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/E-S8FIBP12tayboddCQQ1Mzag8o=/0x0:1480x852/920x0/filters:focal(0x0:1480x852):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19302216/Screen_Shot_2019_10_19_at_3.04.57_PM.png)

Incidentally, I love everything about this page.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2019/10/19/20922606/quin-snyder-contract-extension-pictures-axe-murderer-creepy-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/2019/10/19/20922606/quin-snyder-contract-extension-pictures-axe-murderer-creepy-utah-jazz)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 12:22:52 AM
End of 3rd quarter and the Suns are up 95 to 67. Yikes. I am so excited for this team.

Curry left earlier in the game when he hit Baynes. Update on that is a broken left hand for Curry.  I do not wish any injuries on anyone but this is a bad break for the Warriors.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2019, 12:43:07 AM
You know, Jazz Management, if you happened to just accidentally...lose all the courts and Jerseys except for those that feature the purple mountain logo, I think the fans would understand. Good things happen in games where that logo is present this season.  :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 12:54:00 AM
Here is what happened with Curry...

Sorry BnM… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUT-Gq74f3g
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2019, 01:26:14 AM
In the last 6 games of actual NBA Basketball.... the Warriors have lost KD, Klay and Curry.

RIP Oracle Warriors.
A new era of <unintelligble> Warriors begins now at the Chase Center.

::hat held to chest, head down, horns start playing::

p.s. I kept warning about that Injury Bug from last season.... this is some final destination ****, and that Injury Bug was not to be denied. Dray better watch his back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 01:39:50 AM
New starting lineup?

PG: D'Angelo Russell
SG: Damian Lee
SF: Eric Paschall
PF: Draymond Green
C: Willie Cauley-Stein

Not entirely sure on Lee and Paschall but they have been playing well the past few games so I figure they could be slotted in for their size and shooting in the 2 and 3 spot.

With D'lo you have a superb pass first point guard who can create his own shot as well. You have Draymond in there for defense and a secondary passer. Stein can be good for transitional points and pick and rolls.  Lee and Paschall to spread the floor along side Green and D'lo?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 31, 2019, 08:29:35 AM
On the upside for the Warriors, maybe getting all the injuries out at one time is a good thing. Just get it all over with, you know?

Take the high draft pick (their pick this year is protected if in the top 20 and they could use some cheap talent), see what you've got with the younger players getting some experience, wait for the vets to all get healthy, and target next year as your return.  It's a short-term bummer... but think about how things fell into place with Steph's bad ankles early on.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Shaymin on October 31, 2019, 08:37:07 AM
Is there a Tim Duncan in the draft pool this year? Because the Warriors could pull a 96-97 Spurs, grab them, and be set for another two decades.

Also, there was a pretty nutty game between Houston and Washington last night, then there's whatever the hell this was between the Rockets and Wizards (https://www.tsn.ca/nba/game/houston-rockets-washington-wizards-20191030/Stats?event_id=124711).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
That Rockets Wiz game was all regulation too.....
did anyone play defense? Or was it all hurry up offense?
That score is just ridiculous. I didn't get to watch it, but I saw the score last night right after it ended and was like O_o!!!!


Also congrats to the Nationals.
The Game 5 crowd deserved the win. Along with the random fan interviewed at the series was won!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on October 31, 2019, 10:15:01 AM
That Rockets Wiz game was all regulation too.....
did anyone play defense? Or was it all hurry up offense?
...

Defense wasn't good... but it didn't seem laughable while watching. Lots of great offensive talent, and a convergence of a bunch of players having good games at the same time. Not really a fan of either team, but the game was a very entertaining watch - especially trading blows close to the end.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 11:24:58 AM
Is there a Tim Duncan in the draft pool this year? Because the Warriors could pull a 96-97 Spurs, grab them, and be set for another two decades.

As to this upcoming draft pool there is James Wiseman who is a center and he is suppose to be really good. There is also Vernon Carey Jr further down. At the moment Warriors have the 9th projected pick and maybe they can move up on draft night by adding a player with their pick. 
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
Apparently, Embid & Towns took their fight to social media after the game. Clearly, Embid isn't the brightest, considering this will almost certainly factor into what the NBA decides to do with these two.

https://www.libertyballers.com/2019/10/31/20941427/joel-embiid-and-karl-anthony-towns-take-their-beef-to-social-media (https://www.libertyballers.com/2019/10/31/20941427/joel-embiid-and-karl-anthony-towns-take-their-beef-to-social-media)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 07:08:50 PM
Looks like Towns and Embid are going to be suspended for 2 games. https://www.nba.com/article/2019/10/31/nba-suspends-joel-embiid-karl-anthony-towns

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 31, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
That's not bad, all things considered.
Gotta check to see who they playing tho.

Who's gonna miss their guy more during the next two games?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on October 31, 2019, 08:31:25 PM
That's not bad, all things considered.
Gotta check to see who they playing tho.

Who's gonna miss their guy more during the next two games?

The Wolves play the Wizards on Saturday, followed by the Bucks on Monday.

The Sixers play the Blazers on Saturday, followed by the Suns (!) on Monday.

Honestly, it's closer than it should be, but I'd say the Sixers lose out more. Those are 2 high-level playoff teams right there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 31, 2019, 08:40:14 PM
That's not bad, all things considered.
Gotta check to see who they playing tho.

Who's gonna miss their guy more during the next two games?
I mean from an overall team perspective the Wolves are going to miss Towns more since a lot of the offense goes through him. Philly has Simmons and Harris as remaining parts of the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2019, 12:08:48 PM
On the upside for the Warriors, maybe getting all the injuries out at one time is a good thing. Just get it all over with, you know?

Take the high draft pick (their pick this year is protected if in the top 20 and they could use some cheap talent), see what you've got with the younger players getting some experience, wait for the vets to all get healthy, and target next year as your return.  It's a short-term bummer... but think about how things fell into place with Steph's bad ankles early on.

reading up on the report, Curry is only expected to miss about 6-8 weeks at most.
I was ready to write him off for the season, but it's not that serious and on his non-shooting hand.

I was almost ready to see this become the Dray & D-Lo show, and find out who the real supporting cast is. DLo gets to up his trade value, or prove himself too valuable to trade..... Dray get to be a leader on the team and teach these youngins a thing or two about teamwork and defense. Meanwhile we miss the playoffs by a lot, increase our chances in the Lottery and score a talent or two or three that takes us back up on a competitive level for the following year when we are fully staffed.

But, it's likely that Steph comes back in time to for the Xmas game.
It's also possible Klay comes back just in time for a late 8th seed push (assuming we have anywhere near enough wins to even bother trying), or maybe he sits and watches the tank as we trade DLo for expiring contracts and some picks. and ride it out for next year instead.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 01, 2019, 12:48:53 PM
Wow, that's a surprise.

I still wonder if it's the approach that GS will take though, and what their plan is for the protected draft pick at the end of the year. Nobody like "tanking"... but sometimes it pays to be strategic about these things. Long term, I still like seeing the GS stars get a lot of rest this year and refocusing effort on the future.

Also, how did Final Destination end? How do the Warriors get off that roller-coaster before it's too late?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 01, 2019, 05:35:48 PM
...
reading up on the report, Curry is only expected to miss about 6-8 weeks at most.
...

Per Warriors PR, Curry had surgery and will be evaluated and status updated in 3 months... so that 6-8 weeks at most estimate doesn't sound like it's on target.

Source: https://twitter.com/WarriorsPR

Granted, this might've been something he could come back from earlier with a different approach - but despite clear comments that "we aren't tanking" from Warriors brass, there are quieter ways to make sure the team doesn't win too many games in an injury-ravaged season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 01, 2019, 06:17:59 PM
I should clarify the reports I was reading were pre CAT Scan, and said surgery would be around 8 weeks.
No surgery would be around 6.

But if Curry has an excuse to sit out till close to ASB, then let the tank commence!! let the Dray & Dlo show begin!!!  Top 3 draft pick here we come. Lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 09:07:46 PM
Kuzma is returning to the court tonight.  He is expected to play 15-20 mins tonight. 

Here is a video of him 1 on 1 and scrimmages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tef82IQmdLQ
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 09:47:01 PM
Yikes Dallas is off to a hot start. 11 to 2 Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 09:56:12 PM
Kuzma is first off the bench for the Lakers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 10:16:34 PM
End of the 1st quarter. 25 to 20 Mavs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 11:47:57 PM
92 all with 5:08 left in the game. I am glad they came back and a bit of that was making the right passes and being more aggressive on both ends of the floor.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 01, 2019, 11:59:02 PM
Lucca just took a shot going for a rebound.  His head got sandwiched between 2 Lakers players. I think Howard and Lebron were the two.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 12:00:54 AM
40.1 seconds left. 100-99 Lakers
Mavs out of timeouts and Lakers have 2.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 12:05:42 AM
103-100 Mavs with 6.4 seconds left in the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 12:07:11 AM
HECK YEAH DANNY GREEN SENDING IT INTO OVERTIME!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 12:08:21 AM
Doncic is heading back to the locker room.   He might come back in overtime.  He is back on the court.

Lakers win in OT!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2019, 12:38:14 AM
I’m glad the Lakers won. After watching the last play in regulation, I don’t know why the Mavs closed out on LeBron. Let him get the dunk. There were fewer than three seconds left; he’d be doing you a favor because the Lakers were down by three.

Anyway, the Warriors are getting worked. D’Angelo Russell has 30, but just isn’t getting a lot of help based on the box score. Also, the Jazz lost to the Kings. Someone check on broodwars.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Warriors aren't tanking, but Draymond is now also injured and seems likely to miss time.
(Seriously: I know we are really early on still, but just write off this season and view it as development/investment in the future already!)

Really wish the Lakers game last night was on League Pass - but probably better that I didn't stay up until wee hours of the morning watching, especially when it went to overtime. Maybe worth watching the compressed version today?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Warriors aren't tanking, but Draymond is now also injured and seems likely to miss time.
(Seriously: I know we are really early on still, but just write off this season and view it as development/investment in the future already!)

Really wish the Lakers game last night was on League Pass - but probably better that I didn't stay up until wee hours of the morning watching, especially when it went to overtime. Maybe worth watching the compressed version today?
I watched the stream on ESPN last night. Maybe it is up there still.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
Nice, hard fought win. The Lakers are so infuriating to watch sometimes. You can’t let yourselves fall behind 15 points. The Mavericks are decent to good this year, and it took literal last second heroics from Danny Green to make this win happen. Against more elite teams, don’t expect to come back and win by nine.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2019, 12:37:55 PM
...
I watched the stream on ESPN last night. Maybe it is up there still.

Pretty sure I can't watch ESPN streams in Canada - they are blocked. But League Pass lets you stream older games for pretty much everything so it's good.  (And yes, the game is a fun watch!)

Love seeing Luka and Kristaps going up against LeBron and Anthony. Lakers win that battle right now, and should be a better team overall. But it's closer than many might expect - and I feel like the Mavs duo have greater potential for growth over the next couple of years. I know that Lakers vs Clippers is the rivalry everyone wants to talk about, but if these teams were going to be together for a few years I can't help but wonder if Lakers vs Mavs might be more exciting... bring one more piece in for the Mavs and they could look dangerous!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 12:45:02 PM
...
I watched the stream on ESPN last night. Maybe it is up there still.

Pretty sure I can't watch ESPN streams in Canada - they are blocked. But League Pass lets you stream older games for pretty much everything so it's good.  (And yes, the game is a fun watch!)

Love seeing Luka and Kristaps going up against LeBron and Anthony. Lakers win that battle right now, and should be a better team overall. But it's closer than many might expect - and I feel like the Mavs duo have greater potential for growth over the next couple of years. I know that Lakers vs Clippers is the rivalry everyone wants to talk about, but if these teams were going to be together for a few years I can't help but wonder if Lakers vs Mavs might be more exciting... bring one more piece in for the Mavs and they could look dangerous!
I had no idea you were in Canada and that is how it worked up there.   It was hard to watch early on but the Lakers made 10 straight stops to be able to stay in the game.   I also hadn't realized that LeBron and Doncic both had triple doubles. I think that may have been a first in the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 01:20:22 PM
Warriors aren't tanking, but Draymond is now also injured and seems likely to miss time.
(Seriously: I know we are really early on still, but just write off this season and view it as development/investment in the future already!)

damn, what happened to Draymond!?
Injury Bug got it's last victim.... hopefully it decides to hibernate again, it's gotten all our remaining starters from the previous season. We are done.... we have now paid our dues.

I was out with some friends and the game wasn't on TV, so I was following the score.
Did Dray get hurt early in the 3rd? that seems to be when the Dubs started falling behind.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
Warriors aren't tanking, but Draymond is now also injured and seems likely to miss time.
(Seriously: I know we are really early on still, but just write off this season and view it as development/investment in the future already!)

damn, what happened to Draymond!?
Injury Bug got it's last victim.... hopefully it decides to hibernate again, it's gotten all our remaining starters from the previous season. We are done.... we have now paid our dues.

I was out with some friends and the game wasn't on TV, so I was following the score.
Did Dray get hurt early in the 3rd? that seems to be when the Dubs started falling behind.
I guess he injured his left index finger.
https://sports.yahoo.com/draymond-green-sprained-finger-warriors-injuries-150822754.html
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 01:41:23 PM
wow, that sucks, but at least it's nothing major. maybe he misses a game or three.
but those jerseys are ugly. I hope to never see them again. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2019, 08:20:52 PM
Kind a bummer about how the Mav Lakers OT game ended.

There were a couple of consecutive calls missed, or that went the Lakers way, that really took the steam out of the ending there. (I know this is old news.  Still catching up.)  That clear offensive foul on Howard that gave Danny Green an open three was maybe the worst one, but there were a couple of other plays that stood out too. After such a great back-and-forth game. it's a shame to have a few reffing mistakes stand out as the defining moments.

Oh well. Happens every year for a handful of games; you just have to hope your team isn't on the wrong end.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 08:35:57 PM
Apparently DLo sprained his ankle in yesterdays game, so that makes the Warriors injured list as "The Starting 5": Steph (broken hand - 3 months), Klay (torn ACL - 8 month/1 season), Looney (? ? - ? ?), Draymond (Sprained Finger - 2-3 games), DLo (Sprained Ankle - game to game)

So that makes tonights starting 5 as.... ?, ??, ???, ????, and Willy Cauley Stein?

On the plus side, tickets to tour the Chase Center stadium during the Warriors game is only $45 dollars, and I believe they even throw in a game viewing seat to go with the tour entrance tickets ;)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2019, 08:43:53 PM
Raptors first quarter shooting: a blistering 3 for 16.   
We the Champs!  :-[


(Secretly glad that I'm working overtime tonight instead of watching the game.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 09:14:47 PM
I just caught up on the Mavs Lakers game.
Now that the Warriors are starting 5 is a tankathon, I might have to tune into more Mavs games to get my bball fix.

But apparently Luka got concussed and that's half the reason the game made it to OT (quick points capitalized on by the Lakers). They apparently "ruled out" a concussion on the sideline during a quick time out on the sideline (!?).... and then apparently ruled it out again after the game.

I didn't watch the whole game (just some clips), but apparently everyone watching and even the commentators were commenting on how Luka looked a little off and might be concussed.
I also saw that 2 hand hold by Howard to get Green open in the corner, which led to the game tying 3 at end of regulation. I don't know how the refs missed that...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIVwzmwXUAErXSg?format=jpg&name=900x900)

and just looking at the score, it looks like everything went south for the Mavs in OT.

edit: and here an interesting fact from the game:
(https://i.imgur.com/HPaVj7P.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 02, 2019, 09:45:40 PM
I almost thought this was for the Santa Cruz Warriors

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIZ6DnKW4AIEKcp?format=jpg&name=small)

lol. But somehow we winning....
almost fell apart at the end of the 2nd, but still got a 5pt lead somehow.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 02, 2019, 09:56:06 PM
I don’t think the refs missed the call at the end of the Lakers-Mavericks game. Unless it’s egregious, they tend to let the players decide the game.

Anyway, D’Angelo Russell is injures too?! At this point, I’m surprised Steve Kerr didn’t just suit up tonight. No one is currently wearing #25 on the Warriors, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 02, 2019, 10:43:52 PM
I don’t think the refs missed the call at the end of the Lakers-Mavericks game. Unless it’s egregious, they tend to let the players decide the game.
...

Sure... except it was pretty egregious. Howard literally grabbed the Seth Curry's hips with two hands, making defensive impossible and granting Danny Green a wide open corner three. It was commented on it right away during the game, and the replay made it even more obvious. The still photo above doesn't do justice to what effect the grab had.

Big picture, the Mavs made mistakes and should have found a way to win regardless of a couple bad calls. This isn't some kind of conspiracy or agenda; it's just refs choosing to swallow the whistle and let whatever happens on the court go. But when you have a tight and exciting game like this one, with both sides playing very well for long stretches of time, it makes for a very unsatisfying ending when the winner is decided missed/uncalled fouls instead of by talent on the court. (Unless you are a Laker fan, apparently?)

Regardless, I'll be excited to see these teams play again. Even though I think Lakers are a better team, there are a lot of great match-ups here.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2019, 10:51:55 PM
With the refs in the Lakers vs Mavs game I think near the tail end of the game they were just letting them play and just see the results of the game. I do know on the other end there was a play the Mavs did that the refs missed.  Doesn't make it right just the refs way of bring balance again to the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 03, 2019, 12:00:50 AM
Sure... except it was pretty egregious.
My intention is not to argue semantics or what constitutes as egregious. To clarify though, someone has to get practically mauled or intentionally fouled as in the player tells a ref before the play begins “I’m going to foul [player]” (like a hack-a-Shaq kind of thing) for refs to blow the whistle. If the commentators saw, the refs did too. They didn’t stop the play because they generally tend to let end of games play out.

The Lakers absolutely should have lost that game (side-bar: I kind of wish they did; learn from it and don’t fall behind 15 points). I’m not defending this practice by the refs and/or NBA, just relaying some information. This isn’t insider info. Journalists, analysts, and former players admit refs swallow their whistles at the end of games all the time on shows, podcasts etc. Why do the refs/NBA do this? I guess it makes better television with the added benefit of more advertising revenue. This was a nationally televised game. 🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 03, 2019, 07:18:23 AM
To be honest, I watched the play, I really don't see how the refs didn't call the hold, it was BLATANTLY egregious, and a deciding factor on why Danny Green was open to make that last shot to tie the game. Howard literally grabbed Curry with both hands by the jersey and held him (like the pic shows) allowing green to be open to accept the pass on the 3pt line.
There's no way the refs didn't see that. It was very obvious.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: ejamer on November 03, 2019, 08:29:52 AM
... To clarify though, someone has to get practically mauled or intentionally fouled as in the player tells a ref before the play begins “I’m going to foul [player]” (like a hack-a-Shaq kind of thing) for refs to blow the whistle. If the commentators saw, the refs did too. They didn’t stop the play because they generally tend to let end of games play out.
...

This often isn't true, and just stating it as a fact doesn't make it true. "Letting them play" depends on the game, the foul, the players involved, the situation...  This is why they started doing the two-minute reports, so fans can see that calls are generally made without issue for the vast majority of games.

In defense of the non-call, I feel like the refs were letting both teams play for a large portion of the game. It's still a terrible and embarrassing way to let that game end though. There is absolutely no way this could be sold as incidental contact. It was an intentional, illegal action that clearly created a significant advantage for one team on perhaps the most important play of the game.  And as a viewer who loves the sport and has no particular interest in either team, that's a shitty way to finish off an otherwise fantastic match.

Anyway, on to the next game!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 03, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
To be honest, I watched the play, I really don't see how the refs didn't call the hold, it was BLATANTLY egregious, and a deciding factor on why Danny Green was open to make that last shot to tie the game. Howard literally grabbed Curry with both hands by the jersey and held him (like the pic shows) allowing green to be open to accept the pass on the 3pt line.
There's no way the refs didn't see that. It was very obvious.
We all watched the play. The refs intentionally didn't call it.

Ideally, the refs always call it like they see it, everyone accept genuine missed calls, and no one complains. We don't live in that kind of world. There is definitely room for improvement, and the NBA is trying things like the one-per-game coach's challenge. Ultimately, refereeing is inherently inconsistent due to the human element.
This often isn't true, and just stating it as a fact doesn't make it true. "Letting them play" depends on the game, the foul, the players involved, the situation...  This is why they started doing the two-minute reports, so fans can see that calls are generally made without issue for the vast majority of games.
Which part isn't true? It's documented that refs will hold their whistles at the end of games. The NBA won't admit it, but there's tons of video of supporting this practice. Whether this happened in the Lakers-Mavericks game is obviously my opinion.

The last two minute report is meant to be a good faith action by the league to be transparent, but even some players have admitted publicly that it doesn't make sense. They only draw more attention to other missed calls that aren't in the report.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 03, 2019, 08:06:28 PM
Kuzma at the buzzer!

That game was embarrassing. It never should have been that close. The Lakers were up by 19 then just forgot what a basketball was. Glad they won, but they're so hard to watch sometimes.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 03, 2019, 10:58:04 PM
103 to 96 Lakers. Another team held under 100 points.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2019, 06:20:38 PM
Picked up my tickets to go to the Pelicans game when they come into town on the 21st.  It is another upper deck seat but I will be with a friend so it is all good.  Section 206, Row 6 and seats 3 and 4. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2019, 11:18:57 PM
Come on Suns. Beat the last remaining undefeated team in the NBA.  104-102 Suns with 2:48 remaining.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 04, 2019, 11:27:29 PM
Looks like it’s about to happen. Who knew the Suns would be this good?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2019, 11:29:39 PM
110-106 Suns with 8 seconds remaining.
Booker with 2 free throws. 112-106.
Time Out Philly with 6 seconds left.
Korkmaz with the 3.
Rubio at the line. Made 2.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2019, 11:32:52 PM
SUNS WIN!!!!!!

114-109
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 04, 2019, 11:37:57 PM
Looks like it’s about to happen. Who knew the Suns would be this good?
I had a feeling once they got Rubio and got rid of the players who didn't preform well last season like Josh Jackson, TJ Warren and Chriss.   The front office did a good job surrounding Booker, Ayton, Oubre Jr and Bridges with solid complimentary pieces and having a good pass first point guard helped take off the playmaking responsibilities off of Booker so he can just focus on scoring and defense.   I also say they put some good physical centers behind Ayton and it has worked well for them. 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2019, 12:01:52 AM
And surprisingly the Warriors don't look like complete trash tonight. They playing like a team, hitting shots. Stepping up against the Blazers.
Interesting watch. We'll see if they can hang on and play a complete game this time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 05, 2019, 12:15:57 AM
And surprisingly the Warriors don't look like complete trash tonight. They playing like a team, hitting shots. Stepping up against the Blazers.
Interesting watch. We'll see if they can hang on and play a complete game this time.
I guess with D'lo and Draymond out they have to go younger and it might be working for them against the Blazers.   87-83 Warriors at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 05, 2019, 12:41:42 AM
ARE YOU GUYS WATCHING THIS!!!?

They Doing it RN!!!
Pascxhall 4/5 from 3, career high 28pts, Blazers resorting to bully tactics for getting worked by rookies.

Just gotta keep the momentum up for another 4.5 games minutes

edit:
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/wON3yIPVnZ8w1B72q4/giphy.gif)

they strung together 4 quarters!!!!
Paschal just had a helluva birthday!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 05, 2019, 01:22:25 AM
ARE YOU GUYS WATCHING THIS!!!?

They Doing it RN!!!
Pascxhall 4/5 from 3, career high 28pts, Blazers resorting to bully tactics for getting worked by rookies.

Just gotta keep the momentum up for another 4.5 games minutes

edit:
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/wON3yIPVnZ8w1B72q4/giphy.gif)

they strung together 4 quarters!!!!
Paschal just had a helluva birthday!!!

Yay!!! Congrats BnM!!  Their first win in Chase Center!!
For BnM   Congrats!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe1CQ-Oyevo
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 05, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
New The Timeline podcast is out.

Goes over the Philly game and how they played to beat such a tough team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-tdI6wrxNU
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: Adrock on November 05, 2019, 10:27:03 PM
Lakers come back from 19. Stop doing this to me. This game was infuriating until the end of the third quarter.

Kuzma looked good. We really needed his production especially with Avery Bradley out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 05, 2019, 10:29:11 PM
Lakers started slow for everyone but LeBron but the end of the 3rd quarter by Kuzma and then that start of the 4th quarter with the 16-0 run from Kuzma, Cook and Howard was the spark the Lakers needed to win it and plow on the defense.  For a time the Bulls only had 6 points in the 4th quarter. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: about to take our talents to Brooklyn
Post by: broodwars on November 07, 2019, 12:07:35 AM
Nice to finally get another win at home against the 76ers, the 1st in Donovan Mitchell's career, after dropping 2 bad games to the Kings & Clippers.

In other news, the corpse of Dante Exum is slated to rise again on Friday against the Bucks. I'm sure we'll be putting that one down again soon enough.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Soren on November 08, 2019, 02:19:20 PM
Welp.

Guess I'll see y'all next season then.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 08, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
Welp.

Guess I'll see y'all next season then.
Is the change in thread title about Steph Curry or someone else?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 08, 2019, 11:46:50 PM
Thank god for Bogdanovic. We got bailed out tonight in a tough win against the Bucks, who rallied from something like 20 points down at the half to almost winning the game. That Jazz did not deserve to win this game the way they played that second half.


BMM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emRercvCw0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emRercvCw0)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 09, 2019, 10:04:37 PM
Is the change in thread title about Steph Curry or someone else?

Lowry?
Haywood?

(We all know it's Steph, because the Celtics and Raptors are probably both going to have decent seasons anyway... but what's with all the hand breakages?)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 10, 2019, 03:35:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qESYdfj.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KlaZ5Z8.png)

I wonder how Draymond turns a "sore finger" into a season ending injury too.

but at least these boys getting some good playtime so that they look like they know what their doing next time Steph and Klay step back onto the court to play.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 10, 2019, 08:36:37 PM
Thanks BnM.

Suns are going off tonight versus Brooklyn after losing to the Heat the other night.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Soren on November 10, 2019, 08:46:09 PM
It should be noted that since 2015 the Warriors played the equivalent of an extra season's worth of games in the playoffs + 20 or so more games extra. The accumulation of injuries forcing the core 3 out for a full season makes perfect sense because they mostly burned through it in the last 5 playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 10, 2019, 10:10:52 PM
The wear-and-tear builds up.

That (healthy) is partly why I don't trust the Lakers. LeBron seems inhuman, but I can't help wondering how long his body can hold out. He's been in the league for a long time and has put in a ton of heavy usage minutes with deep playoff runs year after year.

... Suns are going off tonight ...

Love seeing that point distribution between players.
Suns are easily one of the best stories of the year so far.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 11, 2019, 11:37:29 AM
Defending champs (minus two key players due to injury) with a solid take down on the Lakers last night!
 ;D

It's nice to see Toronto finally win a game against a good opponent this season. Prior to last night they had lost a tight game to the Celtics, went in unprepared versus the Bucks, and hadn't played anyone else of consequence. In a weird season where they still have lots of talent but pundit expectations are low, every win against so-called  "contenders" is a big deal IMO.

---

Watching the game this afternoon, and using the Lakers feed so I can hear their announcers.

Some teams have really bad poor announcers that seem like they are constantly trying to toe the company line with unrealistically positive comments about the home team and ignorance and/or openly negative attitudes for the competition. I mean, you always expect a little homer-ism from the announcers, but some announcers go way beyond what is reasonable.

Gotta say, listening to the Lakers crew were refreshing. When either team made a good play, there were very positive and would gush - appreciating good basketball when it happens regardless of where it comes from. They seemed knowledgeable about players on both teams. That positive attitude made watching the game more enjoyable!

Do you all have preferred (or less preferred) announcing crew? 
Do you find it even matters?
Am I weird, or showing that stereotypical Canadian insecurity, by actively trying to listen to other announcing crews to compare them to what we hear from our own local teams?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2019, 07:10:10 PM
I think the Warriors announcers have been the same way for the past few years.

They would always talk up the competition all the time, and I'm not sure if it was to keep everyone interested in watching, as the Warriors were favorites for every year for years now, but they would do this regardless of how the game was going or who we were playing.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 11, 2019, 07:54:47 PM
I used to watch lots of Lakers games and typically Stu Lance was the one who pointed out the good for both teams and gush about the Lakers at the same time when they play with lots of energy. 

I have mainly heard the local Phoenix Suns announcers on the radio lately and they tend to root for the Suns a bit.

Speaking of the Suns and Lakers that game is coming up I think tomorrow. Both teams are good and I am a former SoCal resident living in Phoenix so I try to make a point of rooting for both teams when they play against each other just because I like both teams.  Maybe Lakers more just because of the Kobe/Shaq era and I only recently starting watching the Suns this year. Still I like to cheer both teams on.    I guess I am not suppose to do that with the Lakers according to Suns fans but I don't care.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
I feel like commentators these days don’t do as much play-by-play as they did in the past. You can’t really put a game on in the background and still follow what’s happening.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2019, 12:53:49 AM
I feel like commentators these days don’t do as much play-by-play as they did in the past. You can’t really put a game on in the background and still follow what’s happening.

TV commentators.
I also listen to lots of games on the radio. If they didn't play-by-play, I'd be lost.
TV commentators are relying on the fact that they assume you are also watching the game, or are withing visual range of the TV that way if they have a reaction to something in the game, you'll know to direct your eyes towards the TV quickly. Otherwise, they are usually just shooting the **** and occasionally commenting on on big things like buckets, fouls and turnovers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 12, 2019, 07:57:57 AM
...
I also listen to lots of games on the radio. If they didn't play-by-play, I'd be lost.
...

Is that local radio, or streamed, or..?

I used to listen to games, and miss the play-by-play. It's perhaps more difficult for basketball than some other sports, as there is a lot going on, but can be very enjoyable when done well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 12, 2019, 08:06:56 AM
I also listen to lots of games on the radio. If they didn't play-by-play, I'd be lost.
TV commentators are relying on the fact that they assume you are also watching the game, or are withing visual range of the TV that way if they have a reaction to something in the game, you'll know to direct your eyes towards the TV quickly. Otherwise, they are usually just shooting the **** and occasionally commenting on on big things like buckets, fouls and turnovers.
What’s a radio?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2019, 11:52:50 AM
sorry, XM Radio.

can catch all the games on the go.
From my car or my phone.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2019, 10:09:44 PM
*sigh* I see the Jazz, as usual, are playing down to their competition. I'm honestly surprised we beat the Warriors the way we're playing the Nets right now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 12, 2019, 11:33:58 PM
Lakers win even though they seemingly forgot free throws are a part of basketball. Kuzma hit some big threes in the closing minutes. This game should not have been this close.

Damion Lee, on a two-way contract with the Warriors, broke his hand and is out for two weeks. At this point, I’m half expecting someone on the team to spontaneously combust (then break their hand).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 12, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
Meanwhile, despite some godawful officiating (including a flagrant foul that's sure to get reviewed), the Jazz managed to come back from 15 points down to defeat the Nets (thanks largely to a 13-0 run at the beginning of the 3rd).  We remain undefeated at home.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2019, 11:48:38 PM
Damion Lee, on a two-way contract with the Warriors, broke his hand and is out for two weeks. At this point, I’m half expecting someone on the team to spontaneously combust (then break their hand).

LMAO. the last man from the active roster of last years team got his injury!!!!

Can we be spared any further punishment from the Basketball Gods!!
have we not yet suffered enough!? Was the new stadium just doing a little too much!?

Is this some hoodoo voodoo from across the bridge!?
or is this just another "rush suffering sacrifice" for a few more years of future glory?

if it's the later..... I fear for Kerr's back. O_O
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 12, 2019, 11:58:10 PM
I gotta say that the Suns are legit now.  They kept in the game for the longest time and if not for the last 3 minutes of the game and a Laker player named Kuzma scoring 23 points off the bench then the Suns could of closed it.   

I love that Kuzma went off in the first quarter for 13 points and then closed the game to secure the win. 

It was a back and forth game but Lakers won it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 14, 2019, 01:08:48 AM
Danny Green has a show that he started in Toronto called Inside the Green Room and he has just released his first episode while under the banner of the purple and gold.  He is talking about season expectations and he interviews Dwight Howard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2RiMh0x_rk
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 14, 2019, 12:27:08 PM
I like the idea behind teams wearing different jerseys even if some of them are... not great. The Lakers wearing purple at home while the Warriors were wearing yellow had to be intentional trolling.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 14, 2019, 11:40:01 PM
Some surprising wins tonight. Knicks beat the Mavs. Knicks spoil Porzengis return to the Big Apple.
 Pels beat the Clippers.  Paul George had his first game of the season but Jrue Holiday was key versus him for stretch's of the game.  Also the Pels had Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and Okafur out for the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 14, 2019, 11:44:06 PM
Some surprising wins tonight. Knicks beat the Mavs. Knicks spoil Porzengis return to the Big Apple.
 Pels beat the Clippers.  Paul George had his first game of the season but Jrue Holiday was key versus him for stretch's of the game.  Also the Pels had Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and Okafur out for the game.

It's also worth noting that the Clippers had Kawhi out on the good 'ol "Load Management." Considering how many games they've lost already due to that (plus the game they lost to the Rockets where he actually played), you have to wonder how much longer the Clippers are going to let him keep pulling that. I understand that it's a contractual thing, but "Load Management" disgusts me. It shouldn't be allowed in the NBA. You'd never have seen Stockton, Malone, Barklay, Jordan, etc. pulling that crap. Hell, Stockton only ever missed 8 games his entire career outside the season he was out with surgery. And the league back then was much more physical than today's touch foul-driven play.

Today's players are coddled.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 14, 2019, 11:58:03 PM
Some surprising wins tonight. Knicks beat the Mavs. Knicks spoil Porzengis return to the Big Apple.
 Pels beat the Clippers.  Paul George had his first game of the season but Jrue Holiday was key versus him for stretch's of the game.  Also the Pels had Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and Okafur out for the game.

It's also worth noting that the Clippers had Kawhi out on the good 'ol "Load Management." Considering how many games they've lost already due to that (plus the game they lost to the Rockets where he actually played), you have to wonder how much longer the Clippers are going to let him keep pulling that. I understand that it's a contractual thing, but "Load Management" disgusts me. It shouldn't be allowed in the NBA. You'd never have seen Stockton, Malone, Barklay, Jordan, etc. pulling that crap. Hell, Stockton only ever missed 8 games his entire career outside the season he was out with surgery. And the league back then was much more physical than today's touch foul-driven play.

Today's players are coddled.
Yeah Leonard was out on the second game of a back to back and Beverly did have an injury.  I was looking up some stats and Leonard hasn't played in a 2nd game of the back to back since 2017. I guess the Clippers figure once PG gets back, which they did tonight, they can slowly implement both players into the lineup and then they figure no one can beat them. So I guess it is worth it right now in the Clippers management.   The Clippers are calling it "Right Knee Injury Management" now so at least it isn't like how Popovich held out their stars back then but it is a problem for the league in many ways.   

Here is the highlights from the Clips/Pels game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPE25L08624
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 15, 2019, 12:07:31 AM
Some surprising wins tonight. Knicks beat the Mavs. Knicks spoil Porzengis return to the Big Apple.
 Pels beat the Clippers.  Paul George had his first game of the season but Jrue Holiday was key versus him for stretch's of the game.  Also the Pels had Zion, Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and Okafur out for the game.

It's also worth noting that the Clippers had Kawhi out on the good 'ol "Load Management." Considering how many games they've lost already due to that (plus the game they lost to the Rockets where he actually played), you have to wonder how much longer the Clippers are going to let him keep pulling that. I understand that it's a contractual thing, but "Load Management" disgusts me. It shouldn't be allowed in the NBA. You'd never have seen Stockton, Malone, Barklay, Jordan, etc. pulling that crap. Hell, Stockton only ever missed 8 games his entire career outside the season he was out with surgery. And the league back then was much more physical than today's touch foul-driven play.

Today's players are coddled.

they should take that salary, and break it down into an 82 game season.
for every game you miss while not on injury aka "Load Management" you don't get paid for that game. After 5 missed games due to "LM" you start to lose 5% on a per game basis.

You gonna start to see that paycheck start to dry up real quick.

Now we may start to see a bunch of manufactured "injuries" that are hard to prove, but we have the technology to see if joints, tendons, muscles, etc etc are inflamed or irritated. Too much money on the line to let the product aka "the game" be affected by players manipulating the system while still expecting to get paid when the reason they get paid like that is because people love the "product".
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 15, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
The stat I kept seeing bandied about by ESPN is that Kawhi signed that contract with the Clippers because they were willing to offer a contract where he only played 65 games a season, spread out throughout the year (most notably back-to-backs). That's why we keep seeing the "Load Management". It's unfair to the rest of the players; the fans; & the spirit of the game to have Superstars sitting out games NOT risking injury & normal wear & tear like everyone else "just because".

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJL5gREUwAAclR-.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 15, 2019, 07:27:02 AM
The Corpse of Dante Exum is slated as "probable" for tonight's game against the Grizzlies. IT HAS RISEN AGAIN! :P

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
I don’t particularly like load management, but I don’t hate it either. It has clearly worked. And it’s a decision that has to be approved by ownership who are writing the checks. They know what’s at stake. They’ll take the hit with player salaries because they stand to make so much more if the team wins a championship (i.e. merchandising, ads, TV contracts, season ticket sales etc). If a team is bad, their best player isn’t getting the green light to sit out (unless it’s like Kobe’s retirement tour or something).

Additionally, I don’t like the league fining teams for load management because it shouldn’t be valuing some players over others. When a completely healthy non-star player rides the bench for seven straight DNP-Coach’s decision, no one sheds a tear (and rightly so). If ownership wants to shoulder the burden of resting players in both dollars and fan goodwill, that’s on them. That said, the idea of the league trying to dictate who plays doesn’t sit well with me because it isn’t applied indiscriminately, and it should if this happens at all. What we may see is players like Kawhi Leonard suiting up for games then never checking in. Then what do you do?

Resting players extends their careers. You have to weigh whether it’s worth a player missing fifteen to twenty games a season if it means they may play four or five more seasons. Manu Ginobili was 39 when this happened:
For BNM (https://youtu.be/qjUgDgcAIXY)

broodwars brought up Stockton, Malone, Jordan and Barkley. Stockton is an edge case. Malone may have a championship ring if he had some DNP-rest for some games in his lone Lakers season. Jordan sat out almost two seasons. Barkley’s body broke down so he is one of the worst examples. I was a huge Barkley fan back in the day. He talked about retiring when he was on the Suns.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 15, 2019, 10:39:22 AM
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Malone may have a championship ring if he had some DNP-rest for some games in his lone Lakers season.

Or to more accurately put it, he would possibly have had a championship ring if the Lakers' medical staff wasn't completely incompetent.

There's a difference between a player sitting because they're not healthy & a player sitting because they don't want to play, and to me Load Management favors the latter more than the former. It just doesn't sit well with me, especially since Stockton is my all time favorite player. He had no business playing as many games as he did, but he did and he's a Legend for it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2019, 11:26:26 AM
There's a difference between a player sitting because they're not healthy & a player sitting because they don't want to play
I don’t agree with this. There are certain implications to saying players “don’t want to play.” They do this for a living. Of course they want to play. When players rest, everyone in the organization is on the same page because there are built-in incentives for winning. Teams are deciding whether some players play when games “don’t matter” vs. when they do.

I completely get where you’re coming from. As a basketball fan, I want to see the best players play all the time. However, I can’t really argue with the results. Fans are upset until it’s their team having a parade rolling through their city. Who would trade a championship for those DNPs? Ideally, you’d get both, but we don’t live in that world. We live in a world where the Spurs built an entire culture around DNP-rest and have five championships to show for it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 15, 2019, 02:04:40 PM
Having watched Leonard play (and sit) a lot last year while he was on the Raptors... I think some load management is reasonable. Maybe he was still healing or maybe something else was going on, but it looked like he's got chronic issues his knee that justified taking some games off to stay healthy.

It's ridiculous for us to be second-guessing the contracts he's given. The man has proven his worth time and again and had a bunch of teams fighting for his services. I understand that some fans value game-to-game entertainment more than actually winning a championship; obviously the stakeholders who offered Kawhi his contract feel differently. That's their business.


One funny article I saw recently was talking about how much less load management was in the news last year when Kawhi was on the Raptors. People here were like "hey, whatever it takes" and people in the US usually don't seem to care what happens north of the border. But this year, living in L.A.,  it's nearly a crisis.  That might be a lot of exaggeration... or not.  It was funny though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Shaymin on November 15, 2019, 10:59:07 PM
They could just call it DNP - Old.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2019, 11:10:07 PM
They could just call it DNP - Old.
Gregg Popovich, in 2012:  Tim Duncan missed Sunday night’s Spurs game because he’s ‘old,’ officially (https://sports.yahoo.com/tim-duncan-missed-sunday-night-spurs-game-because-081218158.html)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 15, 2019, 11:11:25 PM
Well, the Corpse of Dante Exum earned himself a "DNP - Dante Exum". Shame, too, because we could have used SOME bench performance tonight in a tough 1 point loss to the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 16, 2019, 01:27:32 AM
Last two games of the night were nail biters.

The Kings went to the last play to possibly extend the game into overtime versus the Lakers but AD got the block of the year.

The other game was the Celtics versus the Warriors.   Celtics have the best record in the league going into tonights game at 9-1 and Warriors have struggled but the Warriors stayed in it for most of the game.  Tatum was too much for the Warriors and the Celtics ekked out a win.


Here is the highlights for both games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTUJ5xnB-d0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfB6pE5Yo8

 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 16, 2019, 04:31:21 AM
Hornets have a 5-7 record which is more than anyone was thinking they would get to at this point in the season but they have been playing some surprising basketball lately while also developing as a young team. Here is the latest instance of that play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qrk3cHuBiQ
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 16, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
... but AD got the block of the year.

I dunno. It might've been block of the year (so far) if Barnes hadn't been tripping all over himself on the drive.  In terms of importance to the win, it might still be a candidate.  But the block wasn't really that impressive when you consider that Barnes was out of control and barely staying on his feet instead of going up strong.

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... Celtics have the best record in the league going into tonights game at 9-1 ...

Are people buying into the Celtics this year?

I'm not quite sure how to assess them yet. Their schedule has looked soft, with only three meaningful games and only one of those three being away from home. That said, winning is the ultimate metric.  They just haven't convinced me (yet) that they are a contender instead of a pretender - although "one piece away" certainly sounds appropriate.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 18, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
The Kings ended the Celtics winning streak which means the Lakers are currently the best team in the NBA by record. I told myself I wouldn’t celebrate until the team was at least 10 games above .500. They are nine games above .500. I’m still skeptical of this team (unless/until they end up with Andre Iguodala). But man, that Danny Green dunk.

D’Angelo Russell injures his thumb and is out for two weeks. What is with this team and hand injuries? Anyway, a whole year without Steph Curry and Klay Thompson is bad for the NBA. Full stop. I feel bad for Draymond Green. He’s not having fun out there. If the Warriors win the lottery this year, the league better watch the **** out next year (by packaging it with Russell).

Side-bar: it would really great if the Knicks slipped in the draft again because EPSN’s analysts dunking on the Knicks gives me life.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 18, 2019, 09:40:20 PM
Injury bug is hopefully done feeding on the Warriors.

I'm just happy we stayed in the game up till the end against the Pels.
less than a 10 point loss is an improvement and a small moral victory.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 19, 2019, 05:24:50 PM
No not D'lo. I miss seeing him play and be all dazzling on the court. This has got to be either the worst luck or the best luck if you are aiming for an high draft pick with the latter.  Not what I was expecting when the season started for the Warriors. 

This past week has been great for highlights so here they are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDbwut_WIFc
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 19, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
I’m fairly confident Ja Morant personally made that highlight reel.

RE Warriors: they weren’t winning a championship this year with Klay Thompson’s coming back in February/March. He’d have to work himself into playing shape while building chemistry with the rest of the team. Not impossible, but from a practical standpoint, resting two all-stars after five straight Finals appearances as well as tanking without tanking for a lottery pick will put the Warriors in a much better spot moving forward. If you’re not going to win, you might as well be really bad. People were writing the Warriors off after Kevin Durant left, weirdly forgetting how good they were without him. Granted, the Andre Iguodala trade and retirement of Shaun Livingston hurt the team’s depth. Still, the Warriors will have two good assets to help improve, three if they’re willing to part with Draymond Green which they won’t (and shouldn’t).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 19, 2019, 07:18:17 PM
I mean if you look at the Lakers last year and how LeBron missed the playoffs for the first time since I think 2008 it has rejuvinated him this season. So the Warriors should be scary next year. If the Warriors get the 1st pick in the draft they will likely pick James Wiseman for the center spot and he is a 7'1" center and can stretch the floor.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 20, 2019, 12:55:27 AM
Carmelo Anthony had his first game for the Blazers tonight versus the Pels and he started and he did fairly well in the time he was out there and with very little notice on being on the court with his new team.  There was a back to back so he only had shootaround with the coaches. Here is the post game interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTXZtwmiYCE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 20, 2019, 01:21:41 AM
Lakers win despite letting Dennis Schröder score 31 points. They’re winning a lot of games they don’t deserve to which is concerning. It’s frustrating watching the Lakers repeatedly give up double digit leads. They let the Thunder get within four by giving up a 7-0 run with under three minutes to play. How does that even...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 20, 2019, 04:26:36 AM
I think what the Lakers were doing defensively was to prevent Chris Paul and Steven Adams from scoring and letting others beat them.  I also think the exit of Kuzma in the 2nd quarter because of a Darius Basley finger to the eye caused him to go to the locker room and they didn't have that scoring and improved defense from Kuzma and that caused the starters to play more. The Lakers bench only scored 27 points as a whole and Schroder out scored the Lakers bench with 31.  It was tense watching the Lakers down the stretch but KCP was clutch once again in the 4th quarter and through most of the game offensively in the absence of Avery Bradley at the point guard spot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2019, 05:52:00 AM
you can't bury the lead and not say that the Warriors won tonight. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 20, 2019, 04:22:52 PM
I get to go to my second Suns game tomorrow The Suns are at home and are facing the Pelicans.  Ingram went off versus the Blazers with 21 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists.  As for the Suns they have had Baynes out and an not 100% Rubio playing the past few games. Hopefully they can play to get some simblence of passing out there without taxing Booker too much with that. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 22, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
*sigh*

I see the Jazz continue to play down to their opponents. All these years, and all these roster changes, and fans are still seeing this team do the exact same thing the post-Stockton/Malone Jazz always do.

How are us Jazz fans supposed to buy into this story management's been spinning since the off-season that this team is a legitimate championship contender when we're going to the wire and/or getting blown out by the likes of the Grizzlies; the Timberwolves; the Kings; & the (worst in the league) Warriors? The Finals-era Jazz of the 90s would be grinding their inferiors into the ground & then stomping on their necks for good measure (possibly literally).

Well, at least we won. Sheesh, our bench needs Ed Davis back from injury...soon. I see the Corpse of Dante Exum is maintaining his 2 points-per-game average. Glad we held onto him all these years! I see all that time in development was well worth it! I can't think of any player we possibly could have playing backup PG/SG that could possibly improve upon those stats, not to mention actually manage to play without career-ending injuries.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2019, 06:04:13 AM
3 points..... so close.
we almost beat the Jazz with the decapitated zombie corpse of the Warriors.
3 points. That's another moral victory in our books. lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Shaymin on November 23, 2019, 11:34:42 AM
NBA considering in-season tournament, play-in for bottom two seeds in each conference, re-seeding at conference final level (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28145944/sources-nba-considering-reseeding-conference-finalists-postseason-play-in)

I don't see the point of the tourney, but I do like the play-in concept even if it seems odd (7 plays 8 for the 7 seed, loser plays winner of the 9-10 seeds for the 8 seed) and single game eliminators can be incredibly fluky.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 23, 2019, 06:47:13 PM
I don't like any of the proposed changes other than shortening the season. I never thought the NBA would consider it due to the potential lost revenue.

Re-seeding the semi-finals round would be a strange choice. Woj mentioned the WNBA "seeding teams in the playoffs without regard to conference for several seasons" and that makes more sense. If they're going to do this, it should be for the entire playoffs, not just the semi-finals round.

Conference and division dictate how often teams play against one another during the regular season. According to the internetz, here's how often teams play against each other currently:
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  • 4 games against the other 4 division opponents (4×4=16 games)
  • 4 games* against 6 (out-of-division) conference opponents (4×6=24 games)
  • 3 games against the remaining 4 conference teams (3×4=12 games)
  • 2 games against teams in the opposing conference (2×15=30 games)
* A five-year rotation determines which out-of-division conference teams are played only 3 times.
That said, if they're going to futz with the playoff seeding, it may be worth reexamining the regular season structure of how often teams play each other. Maybe make it random? For example, the Rockets may play the Knicks four times one year, three times another year etc.

With the proposed changes, sounds like eight teams would be taken from each conference: top six then the two from the tournament. I'm with Shaymin here. I'm not seeing the point of the tournament. It just seems to complicate things. Just take the top 16 teams regardless of conference (i.e. 1 would play 16, 2 would play 15 etc).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2019, 07:55:27 PM
maybe the tourney is the option of compromise they use to push the rest of the change, while tossing the tourney? gotta over reach and negotiate back to what you really want. Make it seem like your giving up something in compromise to get what you really wanted all along.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 23, 2019, 10:38:17 PM
Lakers with an extremely sloppy win. Kuzma had two huge mistakes in the final minute. Sheesh.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 26, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
This Lakers team is so much fun to watch. On a 8 game win streak.

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpcMtpfq9k
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 26, 2019, 06:21:13 PM
The Lakers stress me out. They keep falling behind double digits. Last night was the first game in a while I didn’t feel nervous throughout the game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 27, 2019, 12:48:30 AM
I gotta get my nba streams up on my SheildTV.
I suppose I could cast from my phone, but this pos is unreliable, and I need a new one.

I tried to watch the last Lakers game on TV, and I think it was only on NBATV in my area (which I don't have), so I just watched something else instead.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 27, 2019, 08:59:52 PM
Well tonight is one of those marquee games.  Anthony Davis is returning to the only team he knew before being traded. On the flip side Lonzo, Ingram and Hart will be playing against the team that drafted and traded them a few months back.

For tonight though Ingram and Hart will be playing for the Pels.  They will be without Favors and Lonzo tonight. Personal reasons for Favors and a stomach virus for Lonzo.
Lakers will be without Bradley. KCP will likely start again at point guard.

Without Favors the Pels don't have the best front court to go up against McGee, AD, Howard, Kuzma or LeBron.

Lakers should use that advantage to win.  They will have to keep an eye out for Ingram who has been a 25 point game player this season. 
 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 27, 2019, 09:08:56 PM
I want to say the Lakers should steamroll the Pelicans on talent alone, but since this is the Lakers, they’ll probably fall behind by 18 points against another sub-.500 team because reasons.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
...since this is the Lakers, they’ll probably fall behind by 18 points against another sub-.500 team because reasons.
The Lakers fell behind by 15 points. My bad.

Davis with the steal and free throws to ice the game. Jebus, those last few minutes were intense. I like close games, but it’s so stressful when actively rooting for one of the teams.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 28, 2019, 01:05:51 AM
...since this is the Lakers, they’ll probably fall behind by 18 points against another sub-.500 team because reasons.
The Lakers fell behind by 15 points. My bad.

Davis with the steal and free throws to ice the game. Jebus, those last few minutes were intense. I like close games, but it’s so stressful when actively rooting for one of the teams.
Kuzma came a live after AD had his arm tugged on by Hart.  Howard and Daniels played well off the bench.  Caruso was pretty key in locking down Jrue in the second half.  The refs played to much of a factor this game. This game was tense to watch till the final buzzer.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 28, 2019, 09:48:40 AM
and my Warriors won!!!!

unfortunately I ddin't get to watch it, as I was helping a friend mount a TV in his "bar room" and by the time we got it up and running.... we couldn't find the game.

Honestly, I think they started blacking them out from the local channels. LOL
but then again, he doesn't have regular cable either....
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 28, 2019, 01:39:36 PM
Does anyone have the clip of Steve Kerr destroying (another) clipboard last night?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on November 30, 2019, 11:52:09 AM
Lakers get an easy win. I don’t believe James and Davis played in the fourth quarter. I expect the Lakers to lose at least two games next week, back-to-back against the Nuggets and Jazz is a tough schedule.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on November 30, 2019, 04:33:00 PM
Lakers get an easy win. I don’t believe James and Davis played in the fourth quarter. I expect the Lakers to lose at least two games next week, back-to-back against the Nuggets and Jazz is a tough schedule.

Yeah, well...by the time we get to that game, the Jazz will be on a 3 games-in-4-nights run of the Raptors & 76ers on the road followed by that game with the Lakers, so the game against us might be easier than you expect. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz lost all 3 of those games, especially with how terribly the bench has been playing lately.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 30, 2019, 04:59:08 PM
Warriors game last night....
if it wasn't for that 1st quarter.... we woulda won that game.

team is improving.... slightly
scoring isn't really the issue, it's the defense.
Draymond got a lot of work to do with these boys.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on November 30, 2019, 05:13:13 PM
Lakers get an easy win. I don’t believe James and Davis played in the fourth quarter. I expect the Lakers to lose at least two games next week, back-to-back against the Nuggets and Jazz is a tough schedule.

Yeah, well...by the time we get to that game, the Jazz will be on a 3 games-in-4-nights run of the Raptors & 76ers on the road followed by that game with the Lakers, so the game against us might be easier than you expect. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz lost all 3 of those games, especially with how terribly the bench has been playing lately.

Schedule woes abound.

As a Raptors fan I'm also dreading the upcoming week-and-a-half: Utah, Miami, Houston, Philly, and then Chicago before taking on LAC (on the second night of a back-to-back again). Exclude Chicago, and Utah is the "easiest" game from that lineup based solely on current standings. That's ridiculous.

The Raptors' 14-4 record so far is admirable and proof that Toronto knows how to grind... but unless Lowry and/or Ibaka get back healthy soon there are losses on the horizon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 01, 2019, 06:54:27 PM
Lakers get an easy win. I don’t believe James and Davis played in the fourth quarter. I expect the Lakers to lose at least two games next week, back-to-back against the Nuggets and Jazz is a tough schedule.

Yeah, well...by the time we get to that game, the Jazz will be on a 3 games-in-4-nights run of the Raptors & 76ers on the road followed by that game with the Lakers, so the game against us might be easier than you expect. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jazz lost all 3 of those games, especially with how terribly the bench has been playing lately.

Schedule woes abound.

As a Raptors fan I'm also dreading the upcoming week-and-a-half: Utah, Miami, Houston, Philly, and then Chicago before taking on LAC (on the second night of a back-to-back again). Exclude Chicago, and Utah is the "easiest" game from that lineup based solely on current standings. That's ridiculous.

The Raptors' 14-4 record so far is admirable and proof that Toronto knows how to grind... but unless Lowry and/or Ibaka get back healthy soon there are losses on the horizon.

I think you'll have a harder time with the Bulls than you are with the Jazz tonight. I gave that game up as a loss halfway through the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 01, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
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I think you'll have a harder time with the Bulls than you are with the Jazz tonight. I gave that game up as a loss halfway through the 1st quarter.

The game isn't done, and comebacks happen... but looking at the halftime score, I'm going to suggest all Jazz fans just write this one off and don't look back.

The Raptors are an absolute grindhouse on defense, but only allowing 37 points in the first half was unexpected. Even though the Jazz have underperformed so far, they are (I think) a solid team just waiting for the pieces to all come together. Tonight just hasn't been their night. It'll get better.

Edit: Since writing the above, the third quarter has been 25-9 for Utah with about 6 minutes left. Only one team seems to have came out of the locker rooms after halftime. It's unlikely they'll be able to pull out of the hole they've dug... but I've seen stranger things happen. Jazz ARE a good team; don't believe the first half!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 02, 2019, 07:51:29 PM
*glances at the scores*

You know...some days I hate it when I'm right.

Heads need to roll over in Jazz management for how spectacularly underwhelming this team is turning out to be.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 02, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
Warriors ...

Goodness... watching the Warriors for the first time tonight against Atlanta.
My condolences to the fans. This team is really, really bad.  I know it'll end up bringing in a draft pick asset and help the youth gain experience, but this is almost unwatchable.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2019, 09:44:31 PM
Hey... we won a few!!!! (I have nothing in defense of your criticism of my team right now... you are ultimately right.)

The few games where we made it "interesting" it wasn't even really because we were "Good" it was because we got lucky with rookie ball shots that happen to fall. Now if they could play that sloppy all the time and consistently have the ball go in.... well, we'd have another Steph Curry effect on our hands, where everyone just thought he was being lucky at first getting off all those quick 3's off from all over the court with almost no daylight to release most of them.

Unfortunately, that is not how this group of G-Leaguers will play out this season. Will be bad, we may win a few more. The cream of the crop will float, the rest will likely be cut in the off-season. I'd be surprised of more than 4 of the Warriors new faces (outside D-Lo, WCS, Chriss) will even be active NBA players, much less still on this team, next season, unless some dramatic improvements happen in the new year.

But high draft picks.... and returning talent next season will hopefully see us through this touch time. Your condolences are appreciated, but honestly, this is pretty damn close to what we are historically use to. :(
The major difference is, that now management won't be trying to trade off any(all/or the only) talent it develops to get more draft picks.


edit: and we still on a tight rotation (8.5 men tonight - Looney back on limited minutes), so these boys getting much needed playtime. I'm just hoping more than Paschall rise to the occasion and perform in the time of need.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 03, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
Lakers had a tough start to their December games with a loss to Luka and Porzingis. A good portion of the Mavs bench and role players scored in double figures and there wasn't much from anyone else other than AD and LeBron for the Lakers.   Looking at the schedule for December they have the hardest schedule in the NBA this month after playing a relatively easy schedule in November.   Hopefully we can bounce back versus the Nuggets.

The Suns was on a 5 game losing streak before winning tonight versus the Hornets where they won 109-104 after a 12-0 run in the final few minutes of the game. Tonight was the return of Ty Jerome who was out with an injury before the season started and he did well behind Rubio at the point guard position.  Here are those final minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QbJrFiZpDY
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 03, 2019, 10:01:32 AM
Losing to the Mavs isn't something the Lakers should be worried about; it's not a let-down against a sub-500 team, and no team wins every game. Luka is a legit superstar, it's hard to believe how young he is when watching him absolutely control games. The Mavs success has been one of the best stories of the year so far.

... The Suns ...

Speaking of good stories, are the Suns healthy yet? If their roster was whole and healthy, I feel like they would also be one of the happy stories. Things kind of fell apart when injuries hit, but hopefully that's just temporary?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 03, 2019, 10:05:48 AM
... I'd be surprised of more than 4 of the Warriors new faces (outside D-Lo, WCS, Chriss) will even be active NBA players, much less still on this team, next season, unless some dramatic improvements happen in the new year. ...

It will be fascinating to watch how the team is rebuilt next year though.

They'll be getting back some absolute star players, healthy and rested, so your core is there.
Hopefully a couple of young faces will have shown the work ethic and improvement necessary this year to be solid bench pieces next year.
And maybe the top draft pick?  Do you even want that, or better to trade as an asset and get someone with a timeline that better matches the existing stars?

The quality of basketball next year will be night-and-day with what's being played now. Here's to bright futures!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 03, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Losing to the Mavs isn't something the Lakers should be worried about; it's not a let-down against a sub-500 team, and no team wins every game. Luka is a legit superstar, it's hard to believe how young he is when watching him absolutely control games. The Mavs success has been one of the best stories of the year so far.

... The Suns ...

Speaking of good stories, are the Suns healthy yet? If their roster was whole and healthy, I feel like they would also be one of the happy stories. Things kind of fell apart when injuries hit, but hopefully that's just temporary?
Well Ayton is still serving his 25 game suspension. He has 8 games remaining to sit out before he can play. Baynes is still hurt with a left calf strain. Cheick Diallo had an illness this past game and is currently not on this road trip.  Also Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson are playing through injuries.   So in all likelihood this is all temporary.  I think once our bigs come back(Ayton, Baynes and Diallo) we should be rolling nicely like the 7-4 start we began the season with. This last stretch of games has been hard and we tumbled down the standings but we still are the 8th seed. 1 game ahead of the 9th seed and 1 game back of the 7th seed with a 9-10 record.  Timberwolves ahead of us and the Kings and Thunder behind us.

Here is an article of the Suns hot start and how the suns because of injuries and other teams scouting and giving the Suns their all is how the Suns have their current record.  https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2019/12/2/20993116/phoenix-suns-learning-the-truth-about-the-other-side-of-hard
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 03, 2019, 06:53:17 PM
Anthony Davis said The Lakers don’t want to lose two in a row. They may lose two in a row. They may lose three in a row because I thought they’d lose to the Nuggets and Jazz. Maybe the Mavericks loss on Sunday was the universe balancing itself out after that win the Lakers got earlier this year that they totally should not have.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 03, 2019, 11:35:42 PM
The Lakers with their first really impressive win this year, against a tough team in one of the tougher arenas. I didn’t get to watch the whole game tonight (managed the watch the last two minutes and change). I’m pegging them for a loss tomorrow night against the Jazz (though I obviously will be rooting for a Lakers win). Mike Conley is apparently ruled out due to hamstring tightness.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 04, 2019, 10:09:05 PM
I want to find whoever convinced every member of the Jazz to only shoot 3 point shots or mid-range floaters and beat them within an inch of their life.  :rolleyes:

Seriously, those are the only plays the Jazz run anymore, and every team has that figured out. Quin Synder is rapidly on the path towards being fired at this rate. The Jazz have too much talent to get run out of the building by every team that comes their way these days. So much of the franchise's future was sacrificed to finally make this team a legit competitor...

I hear the Corpse of Dante Exum managed to get himself injured again, albeit possibly temporarily this time. I'm so glad we wasted 5 years on that loser.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 04, 2019, 11:03:17 PM
I want to find whoever convinced every member of the Jazz to only shoot 3 point shots or mid-range floaters and beat them within an inch of their life.  :rolleyes:

...

I hear the Corpse of Dante Exum managed to get himself injured again, albeit possibly temporarily this time. I'm so glad we wasted 5 years on that loser.
It’s only a game, Focker.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 04, 2019, 11:14:34 PM
I want to find whoever convinced every member of the Jazz to only shoot 3 point shots or mid-range floaters and beat them within an inch of their life.  :rolleyes:

...

I hear the Corpse of Dante Exum managed to get himself injured again, albeit possibly temporarily this time. I'm so glad we wasted 5 years on that loser.
It’s only a game, Focker.

It's only an expression, one of frustration at a collection of players & an organization that's proven satisfied with being continually mediocre for almost 20 years. Nothing frustrates me more than seeing apathy from a team that's historically known for giving it their all on the court. This team had the excuse in the past that they simply didn't have the firepower, so management tried to buy a Championship like other teams do every year. Now that they have the firepower, the passion just seems to be gone outside of a few guys.

It's frustrating, and if the Jazz continue to get blown out night after night by opponents both weak and strong, Synder's going to get the boot. And Exum is a loser. I've been mocking him since LONG before this game for his total uselessness and general propensity to shatter into a million pieces if anyone so much as looks at him. There are guys playing well on other teams right now that the Jazz cut to keep Exum, and we have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 05, 2019, 12:13:35 AM
It was just a joke, man.

Another cold take from me, but I’ll gladly take another Lakers win. Dwight Howard made a three pointer. That’s how wrong I was about the Lakers possibly struggling on the second game of a back-to-back.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2019, 01:57:11 AM
Lakers are proving the doubters wrong saying that they would come down to earth in December.   They have the Blazers next with Melo playing pretty solid lately aside from the Clipper game where he only scored 9 points but he scored 20 versus the Kings tonight.

Bradley isn't expected back until the road trip is finished so Dame is going to have to be guarded by KCP and Caruso since Green will likely be on CJ.  I think the Lakers can win this one if they can keep down the scoring from Dame, CJ and Melo. 2 of the 3 contained. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on December 05, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
Dwight Howard made a three pointer.

Only thing worth talking about right now. He's having fun again, which is way different from his last stint there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2019, 01:49:27 PM
Dwight Howard made a three pointer.

Only thing worth talking about right now. He's having fun again, which is way different from his last stint there.
I actually love Dwights play since the season started. He brings so much energy, rebounding and defense while being a lob threat.   That three last night was only his 7th make in his career.   I do like the redemption arc he and Melo has been going through this season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 05, 2019, 11:21:33 PM
Suns won in OT tonight after a brilliant 3rd quarter and the Pels came back.

This game involved Dario Saric falling on Ingram and Ingram going to the locker room for treatment. It was a laseration above the right eye. He would come back in the 4th. Back to back blocks. One by Oubre Jr of the chase down variety and then the Pels blocked Oubre on the other end. Booker scoring 44 points, Kaminsky scoring 20, Cam Johnson their draft pick this year scored 18 off the bench. Rubio with 13 points and 15 assists.  Bridges started early and kept the Suns in it and scored 11 points and played solid defense all game.  Oubre Jr had a stand out game with 14 points, 15 rebounds, 1 assist, 3 steals and 4 blocks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 09, 2019, 02:18:27 AM
AD just scored 50 versus KAT and the T-Wolves.  I am loving this team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4IoROjTFOk
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 10, 2019, 04:30:27 AM
Anyone catch the end of the Kings Rockets game tonight!!? LMAO!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQssRp1iZXM

I swear, watching Westbrick and Harden both fail at the same time is a true joy. One of my joys from this season since I have to root for my team to continue losing for the remainder of this season.

a few seconds left in the 4th, game tied, Westbrook gets the layup and calls "GAME OVER" with one second left on the clock.
Kings call timeout. Advance the ball to the front court. Get the inbound to Bjelica for an open 3.....
shots in the air, time runs off the clock and.... BOOM. Kings win by 1.

Rockets stand on their home court dumbfounded as to what just happened.

I jumped up so quick, laughed and cheered so hard, I gave myself a headache. LMAO
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 10, 2019, 10:13:57 AM
That result won't stand. The refs missed a call with 7 or 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter that hurt the Rockets, so they can protest and ask for either the retroactive win or a re-do of the last half-quarter of play.

(No, I'm not serious. That is a completely ridiculous idea, and surely no sane person would think a protest like that could really be entertained.)

--

Oh wow, that was a heck of a way to end the game though.  Great job, Kings!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 13, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
I guess there is a NBA League Pass free preview going on until the 19th.  https://www.nba.com/scores#/   
Anyone looking to watch any of those games?   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 13, 2019, 08:13:40 PM
Forgot to post this the other day. Super classy crowd reaction from Toronto to Kawhi Leonard.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on December 14, 2019, 08:32:45 AM
Forgot to post this the other day. Super classy crowd reaction from Toronto to Kawhi Leonard.

We (i.e. Raptors fans) will always feel sad that he chose to leave. I still think that staying one more year, maybe two at most, could've been a very good situation for him. But what's done is done.

Kawhi earned full respect for his professionalism, his hard work, and his success while on the team. His approach to the media and the fan base was flawless while here. He's going to see a lot of love from this country for a long, long time.


My only disappointment is that the Raptors are playing so poorly right now and couldn't put on a better show when he came to town. They don't meet again, right?  Oh well... Hopefully they'll have things back on track for the Christmas showing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 17, 2019, 09:36:41 PM
Well it had to happen at some point in the season.  The Lakers finally lost away from Staples Center.  They were down AD and Kuzma and had to have a balanced scoring attack to keep it close.  Some late free throw missed from Howard and LeBron could of kept the Lakers in it but the Lakers lost 105-102.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 17, 2019, 09:48:42 PM
Some bad late game decisions by the Lakers. James taking that three pointer when he was 0 for 4. Frank Vogel keeping Rondo in for the last possession when he isn’t a shooter. Rondo taking the last shot. Green looked like he was running to the corner. No time for that. Run toward the ball, man. That was a winnable game. I didn’t think James asserted himself enough. I wonder if he was taking it easy because there was no Davis and the Lakers play the Bucks on Thursday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2019, 09:49:59 PM
There goes their of dreams of 74-8

Lebron is a fraud. /s
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 19, 2019, 11:42:57 PM
The Lakers got worked even if the final score doesn’t look like it. They were never really in the game. Got within like seven points, just couldn’t close the gap. It didn’t help that the Lakers got four points from the bench. Granted, they were on the final game of a five game road trip, and the Bucks were hitting hella threes. On the plus side, Danny Green showed up on offense.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 20, 2019, 12:05:44 AM
Bench needs to produce more when Kuzma is out and let the starters rest a little.  I wonder if until Kuzma comes back maybe KCP needs to come off the bench so there is a scoring punch off the bench and have Bradley start like he was at the start of the year.

 This game was difficult to watch in the first half where the Bucks were up by a large margin.  It also doesn't help when Giannis is hitting 3s better than last season.  He must have gotten 3 point training from Kyle Korver in the off season and in training camp. People have been saying that Giannis needs to get better at the 3 last season to be the best player in the league. Well that has happened and I am genuinely scared for the league with how Giannis is playing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 20, 2019, 01:59:05 AM
Giannis hit a Deep 3 with no fear.

my hopes for the Bucks to crater in the off season and Giannis to flee to the Bay are fading quickly. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 20, 2019, 09:53:22 PM
So this keeps on coming up in the NBA news and it has been expanding on as far as the plans go. 
This is about a in-season tourney for the 7th and 8 seeds in the conferences.  Here is how it would work.

The NBA season would be reduced to 78 games. This would in theory start in the 2021-2022 season on a trial basis and would have an option to continue the following season.

There would be an in season tourney and a play in tourney.

The in season tourney would start play around Nov 24th 2021 and goes till Dec 11th 2021. (Dates are tenitive)
In that tourney there would be 8 divisional games played. 4 home and 4 away games. The 6 division winners and 2 wild card teams would qualify for the quarter finals. Semi finals would be played as a double header and the finals would take place 2 days after the semi finals. Semis and Finals will be played at a neutral site like Vegas.  Basically where there is no home court advantage. Players on the winning team would split 15 million amongst each other and the couching staff would split 1.5 million.  There could be different prizing for the teams that made the final 4. 

This is how the play in tourney would work.

The regular season would end on a Saturday as opposed to Wednesday, giving teams a whole week before the playoffs start.   
Top 6 teams in each conference is in the playoffs.  The 7 through 10 seeds will have a chance to get in the playoffs by playing each other. The 7th and 8th seed would play each other with the winner clinching the 7th seed. The 9th and 10th seed would play each other with the winner of that/those game(s)? would play the loser of the 7/8 seed matchup to determine the 8th seed.   The first 2 rounds would be played as usual and when it gets down to the final 4 teams they will be reseeded based on regular season record.

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/12/20/nba-proposes-78-game-season-among-changes
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 23, 2019, 08:10:53 PM
The Jazz have traded the Corpse of Dante Exum and 2 2nd Round picks to the Cleveland Cavaliers in exchange for Jordan Clarkson.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28362393/sources-jazz-agree-deal-dante-exum-picks-cavaliers-jordan-clarkson (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28362393/sources-jazz-agree-deal-dante-exum-picks-cavaliers-jordan-clarkson)

Well, I'm glad to finally be rid of Exum, a guy who's played so poorly even when healthy that I still can't believe we held onto him as long as we did. Coach Snyder flat out refused to play him more than garbage time, which says a lot considering how absolutely wretched our bench is. While I'm not fond of how much we gave up for this guy, I can't say that our bench could possibly get any worse than it is right now. We also got rid of his dead weight of a contract, as Clarkson is on an expiring one. That game against the Magic where the bench gave up an 8-32 run was probably the last straw with management (thankfully, we still took the game back and won).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 23, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
As a fan of the Lakers, Clarkson was on the Lakers for a time and he is a great facilitator and scorer.  You probably won't get much defensively but he can rebound decently for a guard.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 24, 2019, 06:41:08 AM
Looks like the Jazz aren't done gutting their useless bench, as they immediately released Jeff Green upon their (expected) loss to Miami. There's little love lost there with the fans, as Green (unlike Exum) routinely played heavy minutes on the bench and was still extremely sloppy and unreliable. The fanbase outright hated seeing him on the court. In his place, the Jazz signed...Rayjon Tucker from the Bucks' G-League Affiliate?  :o

The theory right now is that the Jazz are looking to poach talent off their G-League Affiliate, the Salt Lake City Stars, who have been very successful of late, and they needed warm bodies to throw onto that team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 24, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
I clicked into this thread hoping to see broodwars comment on Dante Exum. Was not disappointed. 👍

Do the Jazz have any current rivalries? Jeff Green will sign with one of those teams and immediately be efficient and effective because y’all are the Jazz.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 24, 2019, 04:05:43 PM
I'm pretty sure no one was watching yesterday besides me, but I tuned in and watched these boys playing DEFENSE. They were making appropriate switches, and communicating enough to switch off mismatches and keep the opposing offense from getting easy ball movement.
It wasn't perfect, but damn was it nice to see them playing like a team that knew what it was doing.

We had a 25 point lead at one point if I remember correctly, and even though they let the lead slip at the beginning of the 4th, partially because of Dray being overzealous with aggressive passing attempts, it was a good 3.5 Qtr effort that lead to our first 2 game win streak this season.

Now we gotta play the Rockets tomorrow..... I don't see that going well at all, but maybe we get an Xmas surprise?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 24, 2019, 04:10:59 PM
I'm pretty sure no one was watching yesterday besides me, but I tuned in and watched these boys playing DEFENSE. They were making appropriate switches, and communicating enough to switch off mismatches and keep the opposing offense from getting easy ball movement.
It wasn't perfect, but damn was it nice to see them playing like a team that knew what it was doing.

We had a 25 point lead at one point if I remember correctly, and even though they let the lead slip at the beginning of the 4th, partially because of Dray being overzealous with aggressive passing attempts, it was a good 3.5 Qtr effort that lead to our first 2 game win streak this season.

Now we gotta play the Rockets tomorrow..... I don't see that going well at all, but maybe we get an Xmas surprise?
I didn't actually see the game as I was watching the Suns versus the Nuggets at the time but I did see D'lo score like 25 of something at some point in the game. Warriors are healthy aside from Curry and Klay but I was kinda surprised yesterday at the result.  Now the Suns next game is against the Warriors up in the bay area. This has got to be a game where we win and break our skid in the standings because the 3rd and 4th game is going to be Blazers and Lakers which I don't think we are going to win. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 24, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
On the Laker front tomorrow is the Xmas game versus the Clippers and it looks like everyone is going to be playing.  AD and LeBron versus Kawhi and George.  Also Rondo and Kuzma will be back who missed the season opener so that should be very helpful.   I am thinking a Laker win although it will be close.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 24, 2019, 05:07:58 PM
I clicked into this thread hoping to see broodwars comment on Dante Exum. Was not disappointed. 👍

Do the Jazz have any current rivalries? Jeff Green will sign with one of those teams and immediately be efficient and effective because y’all are the Jazz.

Well, we had a big rivalry with the Nuggets back in the Carmelo Anthony days, and we had one with the Hornets (now the Pelicans) back in the Deron Williams/Chris Paul days. The closest I can think to being a "rival" these days is probably the Rockets, since they've bounced us out of the playoffs several years in a row now.

And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Exum & Green turned their careers around elsewhere, but they certainly weren't going anywhere under Quin Snyder. It actually says a lot about how bad Green has been that management was all "Exum? That guy we never play because he's a corpse we reanimated with black magic? Yeah, we have to trade him. Green? That guy we play 18+ minutes a night from the bench? JUST CUT HIM!"

Davis probably would be on the chopping block with them if he didn't have an expensive contract. Plus, he was playing alright until he got injured for 4 weeks.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 26, 2019, 12:12:32 AM
The Lakers have no answer for the Clippers. More accurately, the Lakers’ answer to the Clippers is to lose a 15 point lead in the second half and look like a JV squad when it matters. I hate that I stayed up to watch this game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 26, 2019, 12:29:38 AM
Clippers were playing zone most of the game and they dealt with this sort of thing in the Miami game.  They just played into the Clippers hands by shooting 3s and driving and finding the right man.  It was frustrating to watch.  Kuzma went off in the 1st half and he was benched most of the 4th quarter.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 26, 2019, 02:24:13 AM
I'm late to post but....

MERRY MUTHAFUCKIN CHRISTMAS FROM THE BAY!!!!!!!
Warriors beat the Rockets on Christmas!!! Houston is cursed for the rest of the season.
Beaten by the GState Warriors GLeague Warriors!!!! LOL

we also happen to have 3 wins in a row. We can now go into a slumber and claim that as our Championship for the season and continue on our path to the #1 Pick this season.

That **** was sooooo unexpected. I watched form the get go celebrating the early lead, and expecting to never see it again. After watching Westbrick continue to try so hard to still be so terrible, I knew we still had a chance to stay in this.

I also heard Curry was doing some sort of training with the team, which means he could be back sooner rather than later. We must've gotten assurances from Adam Silver that a Top 4 pick is ours regardless of outcome this season. LOL

and then to watch the Lakers lose to the Clippers on their home court. #ClippersStadium

hate to see the Clippers win, but LOVE to see the Lakers lose.

not to mention the Buck went down today (operation Golden Giannis is still a go!!!)
and the Pels get a win with that 8 win to 8 loss ratio. (now 9's)

Truly a Very Merry Christmas!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 26, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
and this.... this is the look of a man that realizes he may have made a tactical error.....

(https://i.imgur.com/feCcrYo.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 28, 2019, 01:21:32 AM
And the NUDE STREAK Continues!!!!

ever since Curry's "nudez" leaked, Dubs are UNDEFEATED Baby!!! 4-in-a-row!!!


Let me have this moment damnit!!!

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 28, 2019, 01:31:38 AM
And the NUDE STREAK Continues!!!!

ever since Curry's "nudez" leaked, Dubs are UNDEFEATED Baby!!! 4-in-a-row!!!


Let me have this moment damnit!!!


Good job, now the Warriors are with the 3rd best odds at the number 1 pick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2019, 12:47:20 AM
The Streaking has come to an end.... but it was never expected, and certainly not expected to last.

I want to say it was when D-Lo go hurt that the tide turned, but i didn't see it happen as I was on the road at halftime, and didn't get back infront of a TV until just before halfway through the 3rd... by that  point, the damage was done. D-Lo came back in the 4th, but the game was already out of reach without a Hot-Hand Klay and/or Super Nova Curry on the active roster.

It's all good though. Fun while it lasted. 1st half was good to watch though. Both teams were on FIRE from downtown. We just couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half, and The Mavs kept right on rolling.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 29, 2019, 12:53:36 AM
Lakers and Suns broke their losing streak.  Suns are climbing in the rankings and is the 10th seed. Jumping up two spots tonight from 12th in the west.  Next game for the Suns is the Blazers who are 1.5 games ahead of the Suns. Piviotal matchup for the Suns.   

Also good and bad is the Jazz won versus the Clippers, which is good for the Laker fan in me and bad because the Suns have a higher climb to catch up with the Jazz.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on December 29, 2019, 12:54:47 AM
Big win tonight in LA as the Jazz defeated the Clippers 120-107. The game was a lot closer than that box score looks, though. The Jazz were only 1 up with 6 minutes to go, and then they proceeded to completely shut the Clippers down from there on. They managed to keep Kawhi Leonard to only 19 points off 6/24 shooting.

Got to say, I really like Jordan Clarkson's game off the bench. He had 19 points tonight, which was the second highest tonight behind Donovan Mitchell's 30. It's good to see Joe Ingles back to playing well again. Hopefully, when Conley comes back from injury, Snyder won't throw him back on the bench.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 29, 2019, 02:45:15 AM
The Streaking has come to an end.... but it was never expected, and certainly not expected to last.

I want to say it was when D-Lo go hurt that the tide turned, but i didn't see it happen as I was on the road at halftime, and didn't get back infront of a TV until just before halfway through the 3rd... by that  point, the damage was done. D-Lo came back in the 4th, but the game was already out of reach without a Hot-Hand Klay and/or Super Nova Curry on the active roster.

It's all good though. Fun while it lasted. 1st half was good to watch though. Both teams were on FIRE from downtown. We just couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half, and The Mavs kept right on rolling.
D'lo going for a loose ball and his head collided with Lucas hip.  It at first looked like D'lo and Luka were going to collide head to head until D'lo moved his head to the right and he ended up hitting Lukas hip. 

Hope D'lo is okay.  I feel bad for the Warriors with all these injuries that are just coming in waves.

For BnM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-aU7eDTscg
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2019, 12:14:04 PM
The Streaking has come to an end.... but it was never expected, and certainly not expected to last.

I want to say it was when D-Lo go hurt that the tide turned, but i didn't see it happen as I was on the road at halftime, and didn't get back infront of a TV until just before halfway through the 3rd... by that  point, the damage was done. D-Lo came back in the 4th, but the game was already out of reach without a Hot-Hand Klay and/or Super Nova Curry on the active roster.

It's all good though. Fun while it lasted. 1st half was good to watch though. Both teams were on FIRE from downtown. We just couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half, and The Mavs kept right on rolling.
D'lo going for a loose ball and his head collided with Lucas hip.  It at first looked like D'lo and Luka were going to collide head to head until D'lo moved his head to the right and he ended up hitting Lukas hip. 

Hope D'lo is okay.  I feel bad for the Warriors with all these injuries that are just coming in waves.

For BnM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-aU7eDTscg

Thanks for the vid, we were only down 5 when that happened :(
Glad D-Lo turned out to be alright, as that looked like it could've been pretty bad.
I also guess I got back to a TV shortly after that happened, because we were down about 10 or more when I turned the TV on, and it just increased from then. That was the deflation point for the Warriors. We were very much in it before that happened.

Lucky for the Lakers that we lost though. Don't ignore the fact that the Warriors Win Streak aligned with the Lakers Lose Streak. We finally lost one, and they finally won one.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 29, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
Quote from BnM
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Lucky for the Lakers that we lost though. Don't ignore the fact that the Warriors Win Streak aligned with the Lakers Lose Streak. We finally lost one, and they finally won one.

I don't think Kuzma, LeBron and AD going off for more than 20 points each has anything to do with D'lo going down with a injury and thus losing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2019, 03:39:04 PM
Don't deny the link between the win/loss streak.

there was some very dark Xmas magic at work. Millions of Bay Area wishes were being granted.
It was however short lived, much like Lebron's supposed aggravated groin injury that led to the Xmas loss, but it happened, and at the exact same time. It's no coincidence.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on December 30, 2019, 09:50:54 AM
I only caught the second half of the Lakers/Mavericks game. For some reason, I thought it was a good idea to watch the clip of Luka Dončić‘s fall. Yikes. Glad he was okay and not concussed. Good on the Staples Center crowd for cheering when he got up. If that had been at the Wells Fargo Center in Philly, I would expect the crowd to boo.

The Lakers went 9-5 in December. Not bad but not good either. Disappointed in the losses to the Pacers and Clippers. Those were winnable games.

The Lakers have no valuable assets (they’re willing to trade). Their best offer would be to package KCP and Kuzma but KCP can veto any trade. He isn’t going to approve a trade away from a title contender. Also, he’s playing well so I doubt the Lakers want to part with him anyway. Additionally, Kuzma showed flashes of why he was the chosen son (last night notwithstanding). That said, the Lakers will be active on the buyout market. I expect Troy Daniels and Quinn Cook to get cut. The Lakers still hope Cousins can return in the playoffs (not going to happen but they can keep pretending airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars) so he isn’t going anywhere. Iguodala is an inevitable and obvious pick up if he isn’t traded by the deadline. Otherwise, the Lakers could use a shot creator/scorer off the bench.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 30, 2019, 04:06:38 PM
Well shame on me... I guess Lebron's groin was aggravated, and is now injured as of yesterday...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 30, 2019, 04:20:24 PM
Well shame on me... I guess Lebron's groin was aggravated, and is now injured as of yesterday...
Pat Beverly during the Xmas game knee'd Lebron on a play when LeBron was taking a charge.  It isn't the same one from last year but it did set him back to how he was 5 days previous.  Since then he missed one game against the Nuggets and played versus the Blazers and Mavs. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 30, 2019, 10:03:58 PM
Looks like for the first time all season the Suns will have everyone healthy/not suspended and playing together.  I am excited for this team even more now. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 31, 2019, 12:28:42 AM
Wow what a game.   Suns were down 19 in the 1st quarter and kept clawing back starting in the mid point of the 2nd quarter and they just kept playing.  Playing good D on Lillard who was hot in the 1st quarter from 3.   Ayton was coming off the bench but he had a team high 13 rebounds and 6 points in 20 minutes of play.  Mikal Bridges played superbly against Lillard and scored 13 points in 30 minutes along with 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal and 1 block.   I didn't think they would win this game but I am happy to be surprised.    Next game is versus the Lakers which will be difficult for the Suns but they might have a chance given their energy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 04, 2020, 05:26:04 PM
I'm about to be off to go watch the Warriors vs the Pistons.
check out Chase Stadium in SF

games not till 5:30, so I'll probably leave in 20 minutes, as I'm trying to get to the stadium about an hour before game time, and still not sure where I'll find parking. might still BART it as well....

I really don't care for this game, as I haven't seen or heard a single second of anything about the Pistons until last night about them trying to trade Drummond to the Hawks, Celts, and 2-3 other teams that seemed interested.

I'm actually more interested in the food stands they'll have up for local restaurant vendors. I heard the food was really really good, and surprisingly not expensive.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 04, 2020, 05:40:52 PM
Aside from signing D Rose the Pistons have been at a standstill.  Also that area of San Francisco is beautiful. I went up to a convention up there several years ago and it was fun.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2020, 02:32:31 AM
Chase Center was nice. and they did have some local places supply food, but the quality was expectedly worse than the original shop, due to the "mass production" needed to feed the crowd demand. I had Bakesale Betty's Crispy Chicken sandwhich, and it was good.... slightly overcooked, but still very good.

Afterwards we did the Warriors Hooptopia which was pretty fun for what it was. My daughter really enjoyed it. Oh, and we made it on TV during the aftershow right behind Chris Mullen. I even got a pic of us on their TV. LOL

it was a good time, even if it wasn't a good game.
We had no D-Lo, no Looney, and when we got up in the 3rd to use the bathroom.... Draymond mysteriously got booted from the game. I never saw what happened, but we were suddenly down 12 when we came back to our seats. Dubs never recovered from that setback.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 05, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
In Zion Watch News, Williamson has first full practice since surgery (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28410260/zion-williamson-first-full-practice-surgery).  This means his return could be getting closer.  However, there's some debate as to whether or not the Pels should play him.  The team is suggesting that they will play him when he's healthy. (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/should-zion-williamson-sit-entire-season-david-griffin-says-pelicans-will-play-no-1-pick-when-hes-ready/)

Personally, I'd rather him sit the full year.  There's very little to gain with him playing this season.  Playoffs are a longshot, though not completely out of the question yet.  Let him keep practicing and we'll see him again in the summer league.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 06, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
Whew...wild one in New Orleans tonight, the Jazz winning off a last-second block by Gobert that the crowd REALLY wanted to be a foul. However, the Refs reviewed it and called the game over, so yay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 06, 2020, 10:45:23 PM
The Lakers are apparently “listening to offers” for Kyle Kuzma. The Kings are apparently willing to include Bogdan Bogdanović to get Kuzma. I played around with ESPN’s NBA Trade Machine and got some successful trades. Kuzma (with Cook and Daniels to match salaries) for Bogdanović works. I did one with the Grizzlies as a third team which also works, more on them later.

I was curious after reading the rumors today. I don’t know a lot about Bogdanović except that he smoked the Lakers last season. Why would either team do this trade?

Kings: Bogdanović will be a restricted free agent this summer, and the Kings may not want to pay him. They should, but you know, the Kings gonna King. Anyway, Kuzma is three years younger and won’t be a restricted free agent until the summer of 2021. He’s only owed $3.6 million next season. Either way, his cap hold and raise would be lower than Bogdanović. Also, Luke Walton is high on Kuzma.

Lakers: Kuzma is good but maybe not for this particular team, trying to win a championship this year. Bogdanović is better right now and would give the Lakers some much needed shooting. He apparently doesn’t like coming off the bench for the Kings, but maybe he will on a title contender especially if given what was supposed to be Kuzma’s role of being the primary option of the second unit.

I mentioned the Grizzlies earlier because the Lakers still want Andre Iguodala but have no way of acquiring him via trade since the Grizzlies weirdly still want a first-round pick. To get the Kuzma deal done, the Kings could throw in a (heavily protected) first round pick. The Lakers don’t care about the pick so whether in the same Kuzma-Bogdanović transaction or a separate one, the Kings protected pick would get sent to the Grizzlies which in a wink-wink deal would agree to buy out Iguodala now instead of after the trade deadline with the understanding that he will join the Lakers. The Grizzlies technically get their first round pick, and the Lakers get their man a little earlier. It’d be funny if he ended up joining the Clippers anyway.

Ultimately, the Lakers could end up with Bogdan Bogdanović and Andre Iguodala (and Darren Collison) within a month. I don’t know if I’d do the above mentioned deal(s). I’m high on Kuzma, and this would effectively leave the Lakers with no future assets. Then again, hopefully improving the roster is the exact reason teams have assets. It’d be the epitome of going all-in.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 06, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
EMBIIIIID NOOOOOO!!!!!

https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1214349847207305216

that dislocation. NSFWeaklings
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 06, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
I clicked and immediately regretted it despite the warning.

At least, they won tonight. Go Sixers!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 06, 2020, 11:33:08 PM
EMBIIIIID NOOOOOO!!!!!

https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1214349847207305216

that dislocation. NSFWeaklings

WHY DID I CLICK THAT LINK?!!!  :o

Wow...just...wow. I'm amazed he was even walking with his finger jutted out of his hand at a 90 degree angle.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 07, 2020, 12:39:31 AM
The Lakers are apparently “listening to offers” for Kyle Kuzma. The Kings are apparently willing to include Bogdan Bogdanović to get Kuzma. I played around with ESPN’s NBA Trade Machine and got some successful trades. Kuzma (with Cook and Daniels to match salaries) for Bogdanović works. I did one with the Grizzlies as a third team which also works, more on them later.

I was curious after reading the rumors today. I don’t know a lot about Bogdanović except that he smoked the Lakers last season. Why would either team do this trade?

Kings: Bogdanović will be a restricted free agent this summer, and the Kings may not want to pay him. They should, but you know, the Kings gonna King. Anyway, Kuzma is three years younger and won’t be a restricted free agent until the summer of 2021. He’s only owed $3.6 million next season. Either way, his cap hold and raise would be lower than Bogdanović. Also, Luke Walton is high on Kuzma.

Lakers: Kuzma is good but maybe not for this particular team, trying to win a championship this year. Bogdanović is better right now and would give the Lakers some much needed shooting. He apparently doesn’t like coming off the bench for the Kings, but maybe he will on a title contender especially if given what was supposed to be Kuzma’s role of being the primary option of the second unit.

I mentioned the Grizzlies earlier because the Lakers still want Andre Iguodala but have no way of acquiring him via trade since the Grizzlies weirdly still want a first-round pick. To get the Kuzma deal done, the Kings could throw in a (heavily protected) first round pick. The Lakers don’t care about the pick so whether in the same Kuzma-Bogdanović transaction or a separate one, the Kings protected pick would get sent to the Grizzlies which in a wink-wink deal would agree to buy out Iguodala now instead of after the trade deadline with the understanding that he will join the Lakers. The Grizzlies technically get their first round pick, and the Lakers get their man a little earlier. It’d be funny if he ended up joining the Clippers anyway.

Ultimately, the Lakers could end up with Bogdan Bogdanović and Andre Iguodala (and Darren Collison) within a month. I don’t know if I’d do the above mentioned deal(s). I’m high on Kuzma, and this would effectively leave the Lakers with no future assets. Then again, hopefully improving the roster is the exact reason teams have assets. It’d be the epitome of going all-in.
I think a great need for the Lakers is a backup point guard and a wing defender.   Bogan Bogdanovich somewhat helps with the playmaking but it would be a weird fit position wise.  The most basic deal to bring over Bogan is Cook and Kuzma and the Kings throw in a draft pick.   

We would have Bradley, Green, LeBron, AD, McGee and off the bench.  Rondo, Caruso, Bogan, Dudley and then Howard with Daniels and other pieces.   

I think if Collison doesn't sign with the Lakers then DRose is probably the best option.  Detroit has said that they are shopping around Drummond and if they are going to rebuild then maybe DRose can come to the Lakers and provide scoring and playmaking off the bench.  Then we would only need a wing defender.   Maybe a 3 team trade with the Lakers, Detroit and Memphis/ Team which has our preferred wing defender will work.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2020, 01:20:27 AM
EMBIIIIID NOOOOOO!!!!!

https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1214349847207305216

that dislocation. NSFWeaklings

WHY DID I CLICK THAT LINK?!!!  :o

Wow...just...wow. I'm amazed he was even walking with his finger jutted out of his hand at a 90 degree angle.

I've done the exact same thing back in HS. pointer finger on the rim while blocking a shot into the next court over..... it didn't even hurt. More of a panic'd state over the shock of why my finger was bent at a 90degree angle at the middle knuckle towards my thumb.
I quickly out of sheer panic popped it back into place and continued playing the game until the swelling and pulsing ache started setting in.

Embiid came right back in the game and I'm sure he played the rest of it. He'll feel the pain long after all the adrenaline and pain killers wear off. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 07, 2020, 09:07:16 AM
Regarding the Embiid injury: 
Ugh. Looks horrible, and will definitely not feel good for a while. But (probably) not as bad or as serious as it looked. These kind of finger dislocations happen more than you'd expect, they just don't always get caught so clearly on camera.

I've had dislocations before, and suspect most (amateur) athletes have as well. Maybe not so blatant though!
That one looked nasty. The Thunder bench reaction really adds to the video.
 ;D


(Edit: After reading Embiid's own comments, I'm probably being too flippant here. Moderately serious dislocations happen a handful of times per year in the NBA; doesn't make it any less painful or nasty looking though.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 07, 2020, 11:05:11 AM
Damn, Toronto gets a key reserve back from injury tonight... at the cost of another starter taking his spot on the injured list. It's amazing they have a .667 record considering how many injuries to key player they've endured so far; having two starters from last year choose to just walk away didn't help the depth chart either.

Maybe this is karma for taking the championship last year against a decimated Warriors squad?  Maybe not, because the Raptors had to fight through their own injuries in the playoffs along the way - that's a part of the process for almost every team that makes it so deep.

It just blows to follow your team and know that they are consistently missing key contributors. Seems like there are a lot of teams in the same boat this year though. Here's hoping for better health across the league in 2020.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 07, 2020, 12:25:43 PM
Warriors fan here.... just went to a game on Sunday at the new stadium. We had NO contributors playing. It was like a Pre-Season exhibition with the practice squad... only it's the regular season with our actual "available" roster and we have no chance at the playoffs, or even much less, a decent win/loss ratio.

It's frustrating to watch, but I endure, hoping to catch a glimpse of the hopeful turds being polished into jewels of some value, while we patiently wait for the next season to start.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 07, 2020, 02:07:21 PM
Warriors fan here.... just went to a game on Sunday at the new stadium. We had NO contributors playing. It was like a Pre-Season exhibition with the practice squad... only it's the regular season with our actual "available" roster and we have no chance at the playoffs, or even much less, a decent win/loss ratio.

It's frustrating to watch, but I endure, hoping to catch a glimpse of the hopeful turds being polished into jewels of some value, while we patiently wait for the next season to start.
As a Suns fan I understand somewhat.  There has been some games which I went to where there was at least one player of the team was either injured/suspended.  While it is not exact as all the games I have been to has had Booker, Oubre Jr and Bridges playing. It is tough to see a team not playing up to potential it could with healthy players playing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 08, 2020, 10:40:14 AM
I think if Collison doesn't sign with the Lakers then DRose is probably the best option.  Detroit has said that they are shopping around Drummond and if they are going to rebuild then maybe DRose can come to the Lakers and provide scoring and playmaking off the bench.  Then we would only need a wing defender.   Maybe a 3 team trade with the Lakers, Detroit and Memphis/ Team which has our preferred wing defender will work.
I’ve seen Derrick Rose’s name thrown around. He’d check two boxes for the Lakers as you mentioned. I’m conflicted about the Lakers trading their only asset for a player who has bounced around the league for a few years. Rose is signed for next year so that fits into the Lakers’ 2021 plans. Ideally, he’d ask to be released since Pistons owner, Tom Gores, recently suggested he’s open to just rebuilding and Rose doesn’t fit that plan. Kuzma might be enough to get Rose since he’s young and on a team friendly contract for another year.

Anyway, Anthony Davis’ MRI came back clean and he plans to travel with the team for a back-to-back Friday and Saturday. Probably a good idea to keep Davis out of the lineup. Porzingis is out so the Lakers may be able to eek out a win in Dallas. Still, Davis defending Dončić on the pick and roll is a big reason why the Lakers won their last game against the Mavericks.

Nice win last night. I fell asleep during the third quarter because I’m old. I hate that the Knicks are perennially bad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 08, 2020, 11:48:34 AM
I think if Collison doesn't sign with the Lakers then DRose is probably the best option.  Detroit has said that they are shopping around Drummond and if they are going to rebuild then maybe DRose can come to the Lakers and provide scoring and playmaking off the bench.  Then we would only need a wing defender.   Maybe a 3 team trade with the Lakers, Detroit and Memphis/ Team which has our preferred wing defender will work.
I’ve seen Derrick Rose’s name thrown around. He’d check two boxes for the Lakers as you mentioned. I’m conflicted about the Lakers trading their only asset for a player who has bounced around the league for a few years. Rose is signed for next year so that fits into the Lakers’ 2021 plans. Ideally, he’d ask to be released since Pistons owner, Tom Gores, recently suggested he’s open to just rebuilding and Rose doesn’t fit that plan. Kuzma might be enough to get Rose since he’s young and on a team friendly contract for another year.

Anyway, Anthony Davis’ MRI came back clean and he plans to travel with the team for a back-to-back Friday and Saturday. Probably a good idea to keep Davis out of the lineup. Porzingis is out so the Lakers may be able to eek out a win in Dallas. Still, Davis defending Dončić on the pick and roll is a big reason why the Lakers won their last game against the Mavericks.

Nice win last night. I fell asleep during the third quarter because I’m old. I hate that the Knicks are perennially bad.
I put in some ideas for the trade machine and Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels work straight up for Rose and we lose some of the players who are not playing as much for a needed piece.  With Rose we would have 13 players and have room to get a wing defender either on a buyout, Using Boogies disabled player exception or with Kuzma.  Ideally we would keep Kuzma through all this so he can play behind AD or alongside the starters so we have that front court depth.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 08, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
I put in some ideas for the trade machine and Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels work straight up for Rose and we lose some of the players who are not playing as much for a needed piece.
What incentive do the Pistons have to take back a couple of bench warmers in exchange for one of their more productive players? If the Lakers want Rose, it’ll cost them Kuzma unless Rose is granted a release, and he’d likely have to give back money to do so.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 09, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
Oh, boo!  Embiid is getting surgery on his hand after that nasty-looking finger incident.
I feel bad about making light earlier; dislocations happen, but torn ligaments really suck.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 09, 2020, 11:01:21 PM
that was a pretty nasty looking dislocation..... I wouldn't have thought that surgery would be necessary if they taped it up and sent him back in the game though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 09, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
I put in some ideas for the trade machine and Quinn Cook and Troy Daniels work straight up for Rose and we lose some of the players who are not playing as much for a needed piece.
What incentive do the Pistons have to take back a couple of bench warmers in exchange for one of their more productive players? If the Lakers want Rose, it’ll cost them Kuzma unless Rose is granted a release, and he’d likely have to give back money to do so.
They want to rebuild. They are shopping around Drummond and Blake has undergone surgery which will take him out for the season. They have good young pieces to build around in Svi, Sekou Demboya and Luke Kanard.    Cook and Daniels are only bench warmers right now on the Lakers because the Lakers have so many guards taking up minutes.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2020, 12:00:57 PM
Steph Curry back to shooting practice with his hand out the brace. I heard reports that speculated a February return is likely for the not so baby faced assassin.
https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/08/report-injured-steph-curry-goes-through-shooting-workout-brace-free/

but the real reason I wanted to post this story, other than the obvious fact that Curry could be playing again by my birthday, is for the story that followed it, and that shows Curry is also already courting Giannis :D should the opportunity come for him to join the Warrior squad next season!!!
https://warriorswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/09/report-steph-curry-gifted-giannis-antetokounmpo-a-signed-jersey/
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 10, 2020, 05:11:44 PM
They want to rebuild. They are shopping around Drummond and Blake has undergone surgery which will take him out for the season. They have good young pieces to build around in Svi, Sekou Demboya and Luke Kanard. Cook and Daniels are only bench warmers right now on the Lakers because the Lakers have so many guards taking up minutes.   
Can’t say I agree with this. Cook and Daniels were brought on for shooting and really haven’t done that well. They got plenty of burn earlier in the season and did not contribute as expected. Their shooting was not good enough to justify their collective lack of defense. Last season, the Lakers had to send a young player (Svi Mykhailiuk) AND a second round pick to the Pistons for Reggie Bullock, a player the Pistons has no intention of re-signing. And that o lot happened because Magic Johnson had no idea how to build a team. There’s just no f-ing way the Pistons just send over a player with Rose’s production for two players currently riding the pine. I like the Lakers too, but that’s just homer-talk (no offense).
Curry is also already courting Giannis :D should the opportunity come for him to join the Warrior squad next season!!!
I know you’re mostly joking. The Warriors don’t have the cap space or valuable picks to offer. I can’t see him leaving. I would give the Lakers the slimmest of chances because the Los Angeles market is a stupid advantage 100% of the time (but an advantage nonetheless), they have Anthony Davis, and they’ll have cap space even if LeBron James doesn’t opt out. I’m talking like 1% to 5% at best, and that’s assuming the Bucks don’t win the championship this year or next, and he feels like they can’t.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2020, 10:53:42 PM
I'm dead serious....

word has it that Curry been courting Giannis, the same way Draymond was courting Durant.
rumor is that Giannis is kinda fed up with his team, and if they don't make it to the promise land this year, he may opt out of his last year and join the Golden Squad.

I don't have the math on numbers, but....
We gonna ditch D-Lo and leverage that Top3-4 pick we got, and Giannis may take a haircut, and the Warriors will eat the Luxury Tax, and Chase Center ticket prices will skyrocket about 350% above what they are today and everything will be right again.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 10, 2020, 11:18:13 PM
Man, you guys have no idea how refreshing it is to see the Jazz actually crushing the mediocre-to-poor teams that they SHOULD be crushing. We've had way too many close games this season for where this team is supposed to be.

I'm really happy with how Clarkson has turned around this bench, as Mudiay & Niang are playing much better basketball now that he's on the floor. And with Green gone & Davis pretty much permanently relegated to the 3rd unit, Tony Bradley is starting to develop decent game (albeit a very foul-prone one). Got to hand it to the Jazz management: they really know how to get that one player mid-season needed to turn everything around.

Supposed it's too much to hope that the Warriors beat the Clippers tonight, allowing the Jazz to keep the #3 Seed in the West for longer than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2020, 11:39:04 PM
I'm glad we have your support. We will try not to **** this up by rookie-balling it in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 11, 2020, 12:09:12 AM
I'm glad we have your support. We will try not to **** this up by rookie-balling it in the 2nd half.

Hey, how could you lose when you have the greatest Jazz player ever on your team, Alex Burks? :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 11, 2020, 12:56:40 AM
Warriors were in it till the last minute and then the Clippers got super defensive and blocked lots of shots. Clippers 109-100
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 11, 2020, 03:44:02 AM
Suns won an impressive game tonight and it is much needed not only for the record as a whole but for the fanbase.  After the past few losses there has been talk about blowing it up and just going for a draft pick but I am liking that the team never gives up.

Here is the last few minutes of the game versus the Magic. 
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R01R8IF7DuM

As for the Lakers tonight versus the Mavs it was a game of injured starting power forwards.  So for the first time this year Kuzma started in place of AD and he did really well.   In 33 minutes of play he scored 26 points, 6 rebounds and 2 assists.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFXdiOOarA

Also of note with AD out McGee and Howard both got 3 fouls at the half and then half way through the 3rd both had picked up their 5th foul.  So Vogel went with Jared Dudley as a small ball center for about 3 minutes to go along with this lineup.  Rondo, Caruso, Green, KCP and Dudley.  That small lineup held the Mavs to 5 points in 3 minutes to end the 3rd quarter. That lineup had 8 points.   Dudley played really well throughout the game not only as Kuzma's backup but also as a smallball center in the 3rd and 4th. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 11, 2020, 05:27:31 PM
I don't have the math on numbers, but....
We gonna ditch D-Lo and leverage that Top3-4 pick we got, and Giannis may take a haircut, and the Warriors will eat the Luxury Tax, and Chase Center ticket prices will skyrocket about 350% above what they are today and everything will be right again.
The numbers are not on the Warriors' side. Not impossible, just improbable. This season, the NBA apron is $138,928,000. The Warriors' total salary this year is $138,818,443. Once a team is over the apron, they're hit with a bunch of restrictions like a reduced MLE/mini-MLE, ineligible for bi-annual exception, ineligible for sign-and-trade etc. If a team is under the apron and does any of the apron restrictions that puts them over the apron, they're hard-capped for the remainder of the season. I'm just putting this out there for reference. You know the Warriors would have to make some moves. My point is being so far over the cap makes doing anything extremely difficult.

The projected salary cap for 2021-2022 is $125,000,000, may go up/down depending on revenue. Here are the Warriors' notable salaries right now for that year (may go up/down depending on the exact salary cap because I believe max contracts are based on percentage of the salary cap):
Even if the Warriors declined all team options that summer, their total salary would be ~$147,000,000 plus the salary of this summer's lottery pick (~$138,000,000 would be tied up in the aforementioned four players) which is probably between the luxury tax line and the apron. To be able to offer a max contract in the summer of 2021 for a seven to nine year veteran (~$38,000,000) like Giannis Antetokounmpo, the Warriors would have to trade any combination of TWO of those four players (and clear the decks of smaller salaries on the books). Other teams would know what the Warriors have to do and will make them pay to do it. Again, not impossible; I merely question whether they have the assets to shed two of those contracts without taking any long-term salary back.

Since we're playing with numbers, it should be noted the Warriors can conceivably keep three of the four players if the Bucks agree to a sign-and-trade. I doubt the Bucks would be interested; just noting that the math works.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 11, 2020, 09:13:33 PM
Lakers are playing the Thunder. AD, LeBron and Danny Green are out tonight.  Score is 73-49 at the half. Lakers are winning.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 11, 2020, 10:42:07 PM
Lakers won tonight versus the Thunder. Kuzma and Rondo went off early on and the score after 1 quarter was 41 to 19.  I am happy for this win because everyone contributed in one way or another.  Wonderful win!! Lakers won 125-110.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 11, 2020, 11:16:53 PM
With the surprise Cavs victory over the Nuggets tonight, we now have a virtual 4-way tie for Seeds 2-5 in the Western Conference (the Clippers have 1 additional win over the other 3 that technically puts them .50 games ahead, but just looking at the 12 loses all 4 teams have).

Sheesh. Seeding in the Western Conference almost doesn't even matter this year with how even the teams are shaping out to be.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 12, 2020, 03:21:01 AM
AD interviewed Rondo after the Lakers win tonight. Good mindset by Rondo going into the game.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3g42H1UI4E
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2020, 09:05:55 AM
Spectrum Sportsnet tweeted that video stating Davis is the “best reporter in town.” Suck it, Mike Trudell.
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Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2020, 04:24:57 PM
Ugh...Donovan picked a terrible day to be out with an illness. The Jazz just can't buy a bucket today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2020, 05:56:12 PM
Whew...the Jazz somehow got out of Washington with a win, despite an abysmal 1st half and being down 15 in the 3rd quarter. For the life of me, I don't understand how Washington decided to play those last 2 minutes (where they were only down 5). They had a possible path to victory playing the foul game with Gobert, but instead waited until the last 20 seconds to foul people, after the game was long since over.

And with that, the Jazz are temporarily the #2 team in the West. Go Nuggets (who play the Clippers tonight).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 14, 2020, 02:52:25 AM
So Jared Dudley is becoming one of my favorite players on the Lakers.  He knows the dynamics of a team and is a good teammate and defender. Here is his post game interview after the win against the Cavs tonight.

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icvf8H6Y8Nc
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 14, 2020, 02:13:53 PM
So I am curious as to if there is anyone other than me that watches WNBA games and goes to them?   I ask because is it warranted having a topic of its own?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
I watch highlights sometimes, but I generally don’t follow the WNBA. I’d absolutely go to a game. The closest team to me in Philly is the Washington Mystics which just so happens to be the team Elena Delle-Donne plays for. Delle-Donne, Breanna Stewart, and Chiney Ogwumike are the only current players I can name. I’d probably recognize a couple of the other players.

A separate topic makes sense so the posts don’t get lost in the NBA thread. However, I can see the thread just getting buried in General Chat because the WNBA isn’t that popular. I dated a woman who literally said, “I just can’t watch the WNBA. I’ve tried so many times. I can’t do it.” Obviously, she doesn’t represent all women, but I found the sentiment fascinating. It reminds me for that Futurama episode.
For BNM: https://youtu.be/OkeKCLdJNgc
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 14, 2020, 03:56:52 PM
I would watch WNBA games... but I'm not really invested in that league and already struggle to find time to watch games for my very favorite NBA team. In principle I'd like to; in practice it's just not going to happen.

(A similar thing could be said about the NFL; haven't seen a football game in years.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 15, 2020, 12:31:41 AM
I tried to watch the WNBA those 1st couple of years back when the Jazz had the Starzz as a WNBA affiliate, but I just found it boring and lifeless. It was like watching a less-talented College Basketball game played by players I didn't care about. It certainly didn't help that the league launched during the 1996-1998 Jazz NBA Finals years, so going from that level of basketball to the garbage-tier play of the Starzz was particularly rough.

And judging by how it's pretty much still only a Filler League between NBA seasons 2 decades later, I doubt its general popularity has risen that much since then.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 15, 2020, 09:20:50 AM
The WNBA, to me, is like watching the NBA pre-Michael Jordan. The league doesn’t (yet) have a player who is so good she changes the sport, so good teams revamp their rosters trying to stop her, so good she’s infinitely marketable. How many young boys picked up a basketball because Michael Jordan became one of the most powerful and decorated athletes in the world? There will never be another Jordan due to his role in legitimizing the game of basketball itself in popular culture. However, I think the WNBA needs that caliber of player to inspire young girls. Sure, they can look at NBA players too, but it’s important for them to have a role model who looks like them and understands the path they have to take. Admittedly easier said than done.

It doesn’t start and end there. Some of the rules could be looked at. For example, there’s a split among women players regarding lowering the rim. Some think it would help advance women’s basketball, show off more around the basket skill. Others think it’d be admitting women’s basketball is inferior to men’s basketball and only suggested for dunking. Both sides make fair points. Dunking isn’t my favorite part of the game, but I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t hype me up in big games. Think about how a player dunking on someone to cap off a big run resulting in the opposing team calling a time out excites the crowd and can turn the tide of an entire game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 16, 2020, 03:56:43 AM
I think I am going to make a topic for the WNBA and it is going to be informative, detailed with current rosters and how the playoffs are different from the NBA in the coming days.   I will try and get it up in the next few days in between hosting Mafia, doctor appointments and exercising.  Look for it. :)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 16, 2020, 04:00:07 AM
And back to your regularly scheduled NBA content...

Top 10 plays of the night.   I love number 4 with JaVale McGee blocking a dunk. 

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj8huOPMCGc
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 16, 2020, 07:29:22 AM
The blocked dunk was great... but wow, those Gordon dunks...    :o
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 16, 2020, 01:56:58 PM
Looks like we have our second trade of the season. 

Atlanta has traded Allen Crabbe to Minnesota for a returning Jeff Teague and Treveon Graham.  Teague will back up Trey Young.   The T-Wolves might be moving pieces to pair Booker with Kat on the T-Wolves or they are sending KAT to the Suns to work on their rebuild. Both the T-Wolves and Suns Rebuild.

https://www.peachtreehoops.com/2020/1/16/21068940/atlanta-hawks-trade-allen-crabbe-minnesota-jeff-teague-treveon-graham-details-salary-cap
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 16, 2020, 10:56:01 PM
Well, sucks to finally lose a game again, but I can't even be mad at this loss to the Pelicans. It was one hell of a game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 17, 2020, 12:23:06 AM
Oh wow looking at the box score Ingram scored 49 versus a defensive powerhouse with players like Gobert and Bojan.  Like that is wild.   and the Pels aren't even full strength yet.   Zion will be returning on the 22nd though so things may change a lot following that date. 
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Post by: nickmitch on January 17, 2020, 12:49:09 AM
Go Pelicans!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 17, 2020, 12:54:34 AM
This Warriors/ Nuggets game is turning into a really tight game.  Warriors were up so much at the half. 
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 17, 2020, 01:08:30 AM
Wow going into overtime. 113 a piece. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 17, 2020, 02:28:36 AM
.....::sigh::

on to the next one.
at least we kept it close in the end.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 18, 2020, 02:06:41 AM
The Jump talks Zion and the Pels and possible playoff opportunities.

For BnM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTF_wGqFQqs
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 18, 2020, 08:21:34 PM
The WNBA topic is up.  I will get back to editing the 2nd and 3rd post later but it should provide some good discussion to start that initial post.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 18, 2020, 11:27:49 PM
Well, tonight turned out to be a slightly more important game for the Jazz than expected, as Mike Conley made his return in limited minutes on the bench after sitting out 14 games due to a hamstring injury. He didn't exactly light up the scoreboard, but he didn't need to as the Jazz absolutely flattened the Kings (as they should). Quin Snyder should strongly consider making Conley a mainstay of the bench, despite what we're paying for him. Ingles needs to stay in the starting lineup.

Now maybe Jazz fans will have a reason to start buying those damn Mike Conley bobbleheads that the Jazz announcers have been shilling for months.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2020, 12:18:40 AM
Well Blazers and Kings did a trade today.
Blazers traded Kent Bazemore and Anthony Toliver and two 2nd round picks to the Kings.
Kings sent over Trevor Ariza, Wenyen Gabriel and Caleb Swanigan.   

Kent Bazemore is a decent young player so that will help the Kings and Tolliver is an okay big that can shoot the 3 but not much else and some draft picks.  Blazers get Ariza who can be decent defending but not as good as when he was with the Lakers those championship years.  Ariza might help the Blazers get into the playoffs.
I think the Kings are rebuilding again this season.  I have no idea who those other two are.

https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/1/18/21072175/trail-blazers-trade-bazemore-tolliver-kings-ariza-swanigan-gabriel-nba-deadline-2020
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 19, 2020, 07:59:34 AM
Couple of things from that Jazz-Kings game last night:

1. This play. Unfortunately, there are no good clips of it on Youtube, but suffice it to say it starts at 2:05. What a beauty. Wish we saw more passing like this.


BMM: https://youtu.be/YH9czZmrP1I?t=124 (https://youtu.be/YH9czZmrP1I?t=124)

2. AT&T is the carrier for all Jazz broadcasts, and apparently the service went down last night. This isn't the 1st time this has happened over the years since the Jazz signed over the broadcasting rights, and the Jazz are well aware of how poor the service has been. Apparently, the Jazz are looking for a new broadcasting partner once the existing agreement expires in 2021.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
Broodwars as the resident Jazz fan what can you tell me about Jeff Green and how he has played this year?  Is he a good wing defender, scorer, playmaker ect?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 19, 2020, 06:02:27 PM
Broodwars as the resident Jazz fan what can you tell me about Jeff Green and how he has played this year?  Is he a good wing defender, scorer, playmaker ect?

I can tell you that we had a lot of hopes for him on a bench that desperately needed him, and he completely washed out. He can score on occasion from 3, but he probably stepped out of bounds just as many times shooting those 3s as he did making them. He's not a playmaker, and he certainly isn't a defender. We didn't even think we could get anything trading him, so we bought out his contract. As inconsistent as Niang has been with the increased minutes he gained from that, he's still been better than Green was.

Maybe in another system, he could work, but from my experience he's reckless and inconsistent.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2020, 07:07:32 PM
Broodwars as the resident Jazz fan what can you tell me about Jeff Green and how he has played this year?  Is he a good wing defender, scorer, playmaker ect?

I can tell you that we had a lot of hopes for him on a bench that desperately needed him, and he completely washed out. He can score on occasion from 3, but he probably stepped out of bounds just as many times shooting those 3s as he did making them. He's not a playmaker, and he certainly isn't a defender. We didn't even think we could get anything trading him, so we bought out his contract. As inconsistent as Niang has been with the increased minutes he gained from that, he's still been better than Green was.

Maybe in another system, he could work, but from my experience he's reckless and inconsistent.
Sounds like he isn't the 3 and D wing defender the Lakers are looking for. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2020, 07:14:07 PM
So it is trade season and there are rumors about the T-Wolves wanting to pair D'lo and Kat together.   So I am thinking this trade might work.

Warriors trade D'lo, Willie Cauley-Stine and Jacob Evans
T-Wolves would trade Robert Covington, Gorgui Dieng and Naz Reid

The T-Wolves would get D'lo and a solid backup center to put behind KAT and Evans provides scoring.
Warriors would get a wing defender in Covington and 2 young centers for next season if they miss out on Wiseman and if they do get Wiseman then one of them could be used in a trade to get more pieces. 

Win Wins all around.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2020, 01:08:36 AM
Well, that was unexpected. I didn't think the Jazz would do this until the Off-season, but the Jazz and Royce O'Neal have agreed to a 4 year, $36 million extension to his contract.

O'Neal is probably our 2nd-best defender, right behind Gobert, and the dude has worked his ass off the last couple of years to expand his range. Provided he can keep this up, this was a good move. He was a restricted Free Agent after this season, so the Jazz were probably afraid they wouldn't be able to afford to match what he'd be offered elsewhere.

To add to my amusement over this situation, apparently the money being spent on this extension originates from the money we saved by getting rid of Exum.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2020/1/19/21072996/utah-jazz-splurge-on-a-rolls-royce-oneale-receives-4-year-36m-extension (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2020/1/19/21072996/utah-jazz-splurge-on-a-rolls-royce-oneale-receives-4-year-36m-extension)
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Post by: ejamer on January 20, 2020, 11:14:55 AM
I'm not entirely clear from your post, but it sounds like you approve of the contract?

As a Raps fan, I like the move. Teams with a strong culture who make an effort to identify talented, hard-working individuals are often fun to watch. Toronto, Miami, and Utah are some examples, and all three are great teams to follow.

Maybe it's "too early" to hand out the money, but I feel like Utah's front office knows what they are doing. And investing in O'Neal will certainly pay out better than Exum did, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
I'm not entirely clear from your post, but it sounds like you approve of the contract?

As a Raps fan, I like the move. Teams with a strong culture who make an effort to identify talented, hard-working individuals are often fun to watch. Toronto, Miami, and Utah are some examples, and all three are great teams to follow.

Maybe it's "too early" to hand out the money, but I feel like Utah's front office knows what they are doing. And investing in O'Neal will certainly pay out better than Exum did, right?

Oh no, I definitely approve the move. I'm very much a fan of the players who just work hard, push themselves to improve, and don't whine about it. It's one of the reasons why John Stockton was my favorite player of his era and Paul Millsap was my favorite Jazzman since then. It's a pity we had to lose him to Denver, but he was never going to get starting time on a squad that had All Jefferson & Carlos Boozer.

I just find the move a bit strange since the Jazz have been making moves to lock-in huge amounts of money for future seasons when this team is still very much untested. Conley still hasn't lived up to how we envisioned; our bench is still very inconsistent, and the Jazz still haven't played many of the big threats in the West. Locking in Ingles & now O'Neal with contract extensions feels a bit premature in January. We have no wiggle room for trades or big free agents right now to fill out the holes in our roster, and won't for years. Management is banking everything on this being a Finals Year.

Speaking of the bench, I wonder what we're going to do with Mudiay now that Conley's playing again. I really liked him as backup PG while Conley was out, but Conley took all his minutes in the Kings game and Ingles does not play well off the bench. There's speculation right now that O'Neal's payday might have been to soften the blow of having to move him back to the bench so Ingles & Mudiay can maintain their roles.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2020, 05:03:19 PM
Oh, speaking of Dante Exum...he's injured again. Give me a moment to register my shock & astonishment at this unprecedented turn of events.


https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/cavaliers-dante-exum-questionable-with-sprained-ankle/
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 20, 2020, 09:19:37 PM
I called 911 because the Lakers are getting murdered.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 20, 2020, 09:28:32 PM
I called 911 because the Lakers are getting murdered by the refs.
Fixed!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 20, 2020, 11:10:10 PM
Nice win tonight as the Jazz just obliterated the visiting Indiana Pacers 118-88. The Pacers, clearly, were just utterly exhausted from playing the Nuggets the previous night. Strong contributions by Conley & Bradley. If his ego will tolerate it, this business of having him play off the bench could work really well in the long-term.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 21, 2020, 11:02:11 PM
So tomorrow Zion plays in his first NBA game and everyone seems pretty excited about it.   Everyone in the media is buzzing around him. 
Here is a interview from him of expectations of him and how he will play for the team.

For BnM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRvmFSz-5uw
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 22, 2020, 12:06:38 PM
Should be interesting to see what happens. I usually don't trust the hype that one rookie player can make a huge difference, especially not when he's coming in after a prolonged absence due to injury... but Williamson has looked good at every level when he's played. Here's hoping he has fun and puts on a good show.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2020, 12:31:36 PM
I like that the Pelicans are surging and starting to gel as a team.  Zion should be a good addition to the team and actually make a for a playoff run!  I was skeptical of letting him return at all this season, but if the Pels can sneak into the playoffs and maybe steal a series, I'll be satisfied.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 22, 2020, 04:12:00 PM
..., but if the Pels can sneak into the playoffs and maybe steal a series, I'll be satisfied.

Wow, those are lofty goals just to be satisfied!  :D

I think most fans would be ecstatic if the Pels sneak into the playoffs - not just satisfied. The team is 3.5 games back from the 8th spot, and have a reasonable chance of making it if they stay healthy.

Steal a series? They are 10 games back from a position that (right now) would avoid playing against one of the LA power-houses.  Even then, you're probably talking about them stealing a series from Denver or Utah. Surely you meant steal a game, right? Because stealing a series would be one of the all-time great upsets in the NBA playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2020, 06:05:56 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Pels taking one from the Clippers or Lakers.  If they can push either of those teams to six games, then "the ceiling is the roof" for next season.

But yes, my lofty hopes were for Denver and maybe Utah, but those are several spots away, lol.

I only said satisfied because I know some fanbases are "championship or bust!" but I'm thinking more about where they'll be next season.  To me, winning a series this season would tremendously increase my hopes for next season (the ceiling would be the roof, as they say).  Honestly, making the playoffs is more than satisfactory at this point, lol.  I really just want them to look good.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 22, 2020, 10:47:04 PM
If the Pels make the playoffs (after a not-so-great, plenty of injuries start) then I think they'll be looking awesome for the future even if they get swept. Any experience they can gain at that level will be valuable right now.  :)

And even if they miss the playoffs, I think any development or culture they can build this year will be a huge win. The team is a few years away from serious contention even if things break right, so just seeing them grow on the way should be a fun ride.

Although I understand the "championship or bust" mentality in some cases (Lakers, Clippers, maybe the Bucks or Sixers), I hope that people don't look at young and exciting teams like the Pels/Mavs/Heat that way. All of those teams have bright futures!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2020, 10:48:36 PM
After one half, I think I'm ready to go back in the other direction. Zion is still gonna need to get a bit more practice in. Coach seems worried about conditioning. 8 minutes isn't a lot to go on. But the team is gonna need to re-gel was his minutes increase. They don't look bad though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2020, 10:51:45 PM
Although I understand the "championship or bust" mentality in some cases (Lakers, Clippers, maybe the Bucks or Sixers), I hope that people don't look at young and exciting teams like the Pels/Mavs/Heat that way. All of those teams have bright futures!

Yeah. I think "ringz culture" or something on Twitter. But you're right about teams like the Sixers. There's not a lot of places to go but to the top of you wanna see improvement.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 22, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
Wow, this is the 1st Jazz-Warriors game this season I've actually been able to watch, and yeah...I know Curry's out, but man this Warriors team is bad. They just look absolutely listless out on the court. I'm not sure their record would be much better even if Curry was playing.

I was amused to see the Jazz starting lineup introduced with the Imperial March, though.  :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 22, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
Zion is going off in the 4th quarter the past 2 minutes from 3!
Zion has scored the last 17 points for the Pelicans!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 23, 2020, 12:06:29 AM
The starters for the Pels scored 81 as a team.
Lonzo(14), Jrue(12), Ingram(22), Zion(22) and Favors(11). 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 23, 2020, 12:37:14 AM
17 point stretch in like 4 minutes for Zion.



For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV4OVJd_ddI
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2020, 01:11:25 AM
I was amused to see the Jazz starting lineup introduced with the Imperial March, though.  :P

The Warriors do that I think for every game. At least every game where i've watched the opening that I can remember.

17 point stretch in like 4 minutes for Zion.

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV4OVJd_ddI

It's HILARIOUS how Alvin Gentry kept trying to sub Zion out, and then he scores ANOTHER 3. LMAO
then tells Lonzo to call a timeout, and instead he back passes it to Zion for ANOTHER 3.  ROFLMAO

Zion did look winded though.He should be doing endless cardio to get his wind up and his weight down. Pels might've won had Z woken up earlier in the game and was more conditioned to keep playing while he was hot in the 4th.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: ejamer on January 23, 2020, 10:21:33 AM
I don't know if that kind of performance is repeatable (Zion going 4/4 from deep in particular) or if he'll be the basketball savior that people are hoping for.... but that first game hype was met for at least a few minutes when Zion went off. It's a shame about the minutes limitation forcing him out.

His body shape still terrifies me though. Something about his legs or knees just doesn't look right for such a large, explosive athlete. (Not that there is anything holding him back - I'm just worried about injuries/longevity.)

Also, although the threes are the real story, I loved that alley oop layup in the fourth. New Orleans has potential for some of the best lob connections in the NBA once Zion is healthy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 23, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Seeing his entire leg still wrapped up like that made me nervous the entire time watching him.  Hopefully, now that he's better, he can focus on conditioning and getting some more leg strength.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 23, 2020, 12:45:40 PM
I'd imagine that Zion was in and out of the lineup because of conditioning.  I know every like 3 minutes or so Zion was in and then got pulled after that time in the first half.  Really only in the 4th was he able to play to get in rhythm.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2020, 11:56:52 PM
Nice to see Zion Williamson play. I’d still like him to get in better shape.

I really like the Nets’ home floor.

The Lakers need one more win to match their total wins from last season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 10:46:40 AM
I am really excited for the progress of the Lakers this year in passing last years win total.   The Lakers have done it by everyone contributing to wins no matter how much they play in other games and it is paying off for them.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
Even Rondo?

asking for a friend. I haven't watched many Lakers game this season 😁

Oh, and The Warriors are officially the WORST team in the league right now!!! 🎉
#1 pick here we come!!!

(Let me be excited for my team, even if for the worst reason.... It's all I have to look forward to right now as a Dubs fan 😒)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 12:52:37 PM
Yes even Rondo.  He has actually improved from 3 this year and was key against the Nets last night with his playmaking.

For BnM:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMmIa1wYCEE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: nickmitch on January 24, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
Even Rondo?

asking for a friend. I haven't watched many Lakers game this season 😁

Oh, and The Warriors are officially the WORST team in the league right now!!! 🎉
#1 pick here we come!!!

(Let me be excited for my team, even if for the worst reason.... It's all I have to look forward to right now as a Dubs fan 😒)

I'm sorry but the Warriors should absolutely not get the #1 pick. We all know the draft lottery is rigged, and the 2020 Warriors are a team you want it to be rigged against.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 03:22:48 PM
Even Rondo?

asking for a friend. I haven't watched many Lakers game this season 😁

Oh, and The Warriors are officially the WORST team in the league right now!!! 🎉
#1 pick here we come!!!

(Let me be excited for my team, even if for the worst reason.... It's all I have to look forward to right now as a Dubs fan 😒)

I'm sorry but the Warriors should absolutely not get the #1 pick. We all know the draft lottery is rigged, and the 2020 Warriors are a team you want it to be rigged against.
Plus with the new lottery draft system the three teams with lowest record have a 14% chance at the number one pick.  New York had the lowest wins and the #1 slot but moved down to #3. Cavs had the 2nd lowest wins and dropped to #5. Phoenix the 3rd lowest wins and dropped all the way to the 6th pick. So the number 1 pick isn't as sure as a thing as it was in years past.   

Here was the 2019 draft lottery.   https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/draft-order
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
Why can't you just let me have this.... 😒
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 24, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
Why can't you just let me have this.... 😒
For five straight years, the Warriors were the most dominant team in the league. It wasn’t even that close. If not for a couple tough breaks (sometimes literally), they’d have five championships. I just can’t feel bad for a team that’s going to have two top 20 players returning and a high draft pick regardless of whether it’s the top pick. The draft is a crapshoot anyway. Donovan Mitchell was the 13th pick in 2017 (and the Nuggets traded down 11 spots), easily the best player in the same draft in which the Sixers traded up for Markelle Fultz. Considering how good the Warriors are at drafting, I wouldn’t worry about it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2020, 07:41:52 PM
Why can't you just let me have this.... 😒
For five straight years, the Warriors were the most dominant team in the league. It wasn’t even that close. If not for a couple tough breaks (sometimes literally), they’d have five championships. I just can’t feel bad for a team that’s going to have two top 20 players returning and a high draft pick regardless of whether it’s the top pick. The draft is a crapshoot anyway. Donovan Mitchell was the 13th pick in 2017 (and the Nuggets traded down 11 spots), easily the best player in the same draft in which the Sixers traded up for Markelle Fultz. Considering how good the Warriors are at drafting, I wouldn’t worry about it.

Indeed, and Rudy Gobert was draft at # 27. Draft position is important, but moreso the talent of the front office in spotting talent.

Case in point, I was reminded of this video about how the Timberwolves have wasted 20 Lottery Picks.


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJc61D5o1Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJc61D5o1Q)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
New trade between the Mavs and the Warriors.

Warriors are sending over Willie Cauley-Stein to the Mavs for a 2020 2nd round pick via the Utah Jazz.

This makes sense for the Warriors as they are tanking and can get a few different centers in the draft from Wiseman and Vernon Carey Jr among others.   Mavs get someone in the middle because previous to this trade they didn't really have someone aside from Porzengus.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 24, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
I thought the entire point of this trade for the Mavericks was because Dwight Powell ruptured his Achilles.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 09:14:08 PM
I thought the entire point of this trade for the Mavericks was because Dwight Powell ruptured his Achilles.
That is probably true as well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
New trade between the Mavs and the Warriors.

Warriors are sending over Willie Cauley-Stein to the Mavs for a 2020 2nd round pick via the Utah Jazz.

This makes sense for the Warriors as they are tanking and can get a few different centers in the draft from Wiseman and Vernon Carey Jr among others.   Mavs get someone in the middle because previous to this trade they didn't really have someone aside from Porzengus.
Which pick in the 2nd round....? 🤔
Let the trades begin.
I wonder what well get for D-Lo 5 minutes before the trades deadline is over.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 24, 2020, 10:40:10 PM
New trade between the Mavs and the Warriors.

Warriors are sending over Willie Cauley-Stein to the Mavs for a 2020 2nd round pick via the Utah Jazz.

This makes sense for the Warriors as they are tanking and can get a few different centers in the draft from Wiseman and Vernon Carey Jr among others.   Mavs get someone in the middle because previous to this trade they didn't really have someone aside from Porzengus.
Which pick in the 2nd round....? 🤔
Let the trades begin.
I wonder what well get for D-Lo 5 minutes before the trades deadline is over.
The Utah Jazz pick in the 2nd round whatever it turns into.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Adrock on January 25, 2020, 09:37:42 AM
I just need to rant about a thing. I was talking to a friend last night. He's a Sixers fan because we just live in that area. While I root for the Lakers, I'm fine with any team winning the championship except the Celtics (for obvious reasons) and the Clippers. I don't buy into the whole LA rivalry because it really isn't one right now. The Lakers and Clippers play in the same city, and that's only because Donald Sterling moved the team from San Diego after promising he wouldn't. That's it which, to me, is silliness. There's nothing else making this a rivalry. This isn't like Knicks and Heat in the 90s. Or Warriors and Cavs last decade (saying "last decade" still sounds weird). This is "you guys are... like, in the same general vicinity."

I never really had a problem with the Clippers until semi-recently (besides, you know, Sterling's blatant racism). First, I thoroughly dislike Patrick Beverley regardless of what team he plays on. There are just certain players who bother me (Jamal Murray is another one). I don't like his game; I don't like his attitude. I'd say I just don't like those kinds of players except I enjoyed Matt Barnes' game. I suppose the difference is Barnes never intentionally tried to injure anyone or at least irresponsibly put someone in a position to get injured like Beverley has (e.g. Russell Westbrook). Also, Barnes was part of the Warriors "We Believe" team, and his basketball analysis is on point. In any case, F Patrick Beverley.

More importantly, I just thoroughly hate this team's attitude.

1. The Clippers have continued to position themselves as an underdog. Y'ALL HAVE KAWHI LEONARD. What are you talking about? You can't have probably the best player in the world with Kevin Durant injured (Giannis Antetokounmpo is directly after those two in my estimation) AND Paul George then act like you're this scrappy squad no one expects to make any noise. Get the **** out of here with being the underdog. This isn't last season. I guess do whatever you need to do to stay motivated. This specific motivator just doesn't make sense.

2. I wish Doc Rivers would just shut up forever. I didn't really have an issue with him until after the 2010 Finals when he said the Celtics would have won if Kendrick Perkins played. Well, he didn't, and y'all were up by 11 points midway through the third quarter. The Lakers didn't have Andrew Bynum in the 2008 Finals, and I don't remember anyone saying "If we had Bynum, we'd have won." No, the Lakers lost because they weren't good enough to win. Full stop. They took the loss then won the next two titles (then were **** for nearly a decade). I really, really hate the if-X-we-would-have-won mindset. Shut your mouth and find a way to win.

More recently, Rivers said something that really rubbed me the wrong way. He said the Lakers' philosophy is "whatever LeBron says." My annoyance here isn't about the Lakers or LeBron James. The Clippers let Kawhi Leonard sit out of back-to-back games and whenever he feels like. So get that hypocritical bullshit right the **** out of here, you daft asshole. The Raptors didn't say that **** last year because they knew exactly what they were doing (they're also one of the classier teams in the league). I don't even oppose load management. I'd like to see players play, but until load management doesn't work, I just shrug my shoulders. But don't come after others when you're doing the same thing. *exasperated sigh*

Almost any other year, I wouldn't really care if the Clippers won the title. I just can't with this team this year in particular.

/rant
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 25, 2020, 07:43:05 PM
I think I've established how I feel about Los Angeles in general, be they Lakers or Clippers. They continually get the money, they continually get the talent, and they continually get the media attention.

Neither of these teams are "underdogs", especially this year.

MEANWHILE...


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGWRFV9RKgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGWRFV9RKgY)

The Jazz were down all night against the Mavericks, several times by double digits. Then they come back to win in the final minute on a game-winning 3 by Royce O'Neal, followed by a big play by...oh what was his name...

OH YEAH! RUDY...FUCKING...GOBERT, the soon-to-be 3-time Defensive Player of the Year, and he'd better be an All Star, too!


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqO7NmPSqcE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqO7NmPSqcE)

 :D
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: Shaymin on January 26, 2020, 02:48:41 PM
Uh, breaking news out of LA: Kobe Bryant was among five killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas. Variety confirmation (https://variety.com/2020/biz/uncategorized/kobe-bryant-dead-helicopter-crash-lakers-1203480844/)

Edit: Woj confirms that his daughter Gianna (13) was also on the helicopter (https://www.tsn.ca/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash-1.1433037). Fucking hell.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Out for the Season (Broken Hand)
Post by: broodwars on January 26, 2020, 04:17:24 PM
Uh, breaking news out of LA: Kobe Bryant was among five killed in a helicopter crash in Calabasas. Variety confirmation (https://variety.com/2020/biz/uncategorized/kobe-bryant-dead-helicopter-crash-lakers-1203480844/)

Edit: Woj confirms that his daughter Gianna (13) was also on the helicopter (https://www.tsn.ca/kobe-bryant-dies-in-helicopter-crash-1.1433037). Fucking hell.

*sigh*

Such a waste, all around. I was never particularly fond of Kobe, but he was exceptionally talented and he'll definitely be missed. And for someone as young as his daughter to go that way...damn. I hope the media gives focus to everyone who died in that crash, not just the Bryants.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: nickmitch on January 26, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
Love him or hate him, only a handful of players have been as culturally impactful as Kobe.  He was a player that truly transcended his sport.  I remember towards the end of his career, commercials for his shoes were events in and of themselves.  I was just laughing about his Kobe System commercials a few weeks ago.  This is a great tragedy for his family and his fans all over the world who were waiting to see what was next from him in basketball, to hear his hall of fame speech, and much more in his other ventures.  Rest in peace.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 26, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
R.I.P. KOBE
And his daughter, and anyone else that was in the crash.

Such a terribly fucking tragedy. Prayers out to all the affected family members 🙏🏾😔
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2020, 05:36:30 PM
Feeling heartbroken about Kobe and his eldest daughter and them dying in such a way.  I feel sorry for anyone that died in the crash. 

As a personal aside Kobe was who I liked watching and the energy he brought to the game.  He was one of the players who got me into watching the NBA constantly.  I played youth basketball growing up but he made me tune in and watched the Lakers through the good times and the bad times. Kobe was there all through it and was a beacon of a shining star in LA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Shaymin on January 26, 2020, 06:14:07 PM
The LA sheriff's department held a media briefing and there were nine people on the flight manifest.

I'm sick right now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on January 26, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
I missed this news literally all day. I wasn’t a huge Kobe Bryant fan on or off the court. In any case, he meant a lot to the Lakers, the city of Los Angeles (and many other cities), the league, and basketball itself. He’ll definitely be missed.

Eight other people died which is an all-around tragedy. Was Gianna the youngest casualty? Everything about even writing that sentence makes me feel ill. A child died, and I’m hoping an even younger child wasn’t involved.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Shaymin on January 26, 2020, 09:17:41 PM
It seems if there was, they'd have been close to Gianna's age since the intended destination was a basketball camp. There's been other reports about victims including someone of a similar age and both of their parents being among the passengers.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2020, 09:20:49 PM
I missed this news literally all day. I wasn’t a huge Kobe Bryant fan on or off the court. In any case, he meant a lot to the Lakers, the city of Los Angeles (and many other cities), the league, and basketball itself. He’ll definitely be missed.

Eight other people died which is an all-around tragedy. Was Gianna the youngest casualty? Everything about even writing that sentence makes me feel ill. A child died, and I’m hoping an even younger child wasn’t involved.
I don't know if his daughter was the youngest on the helicopter but his daughter was the oldest daughter who died. 13 years old. Gianna Marie Bryant was her name.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ThePerm on January 26, 2020, 10:07:00 PM
Well I stumbled into some weird stuff on reddit

https://old.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/etugkt/rescued_a_wrecked_copy_of_majoras_mask_someone/

from a day ago.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2020, 10:30:39 PM
Well I stumbled into some weird stuff on reddit

https://old.reddit.com/r/n64/comments/etugkt/rescued_a_wrecked_copy_of_majoras_mask_someone/

from a day ago.
I had Kobe Bryant Courtside growing up and I loved it so much growing up.   I would like to play as the Nintendo Development team in the game I think they were called Left Field Lefty's.   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 26, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
The NBA honors Kobe.

For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCfKlTP2dqg

Looks like Mav's owner Mark Cuban retired number 24 in honor of Kobe. 

Rachael Nichols reacts to Kobe's death.
For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3dDCzzySCE

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on January 27, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
Since retiring, Bryant's legend has only grown. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it really seemed like his strength of will had been redirected from personal success on the court to a greater purpose as a true ambassador of the sport, supportive parent, and role model for many hard-working athletes. Who knows what his future would have brought, but it's clear that basketball is worse off today.

(To be clear: it's not just Kobe's death that is tragic. Each loss from this accident is horrible. But the others didn't have the same oversized public persona, so the loss feels more abstracted.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
(To be clear: it's not just Kobe's death that is tragic. Each loss from this accident is horrible. But the others didn't have the same oversized public persona, so the loss feels more abstracted.)
I’m glad someone mentioned this.

Every time a tragedy like this happens, there’s a subset of well-actuallys who come out of the woodwork to remind everyone that other people died as if everyone doesn’t know. It’s possible to both mourn a wider tragedy and grieve one person in that tragedy in a different way. Kobe Bryant, imperfect as he was, inspired people. Think about how many countless kids picked up a basketball and stayed out of trouble because they saw Bryant drop 81 all over the Raptors. Think about how many people got a little bit of joy during a rough patch in their life because the Lakers were good, and they got to focus on something else for a while. It sounds silly, but a little escapism helps people. That can’t be understated.

Yes, the loss of life and the manner it was lost is tragic. Admittedly, I don’t lose sleep over celebrity deaths. I didn’t know them personally. I won’t hold a vigil or sing a Sarah McLachlan song. That said, I still think it’s important to remember that no one gets to tell others how or who to grieve. For those who are sad about this, be sad about it and without judgement.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 27, 2020, 04:35:30 PM
Here is all the names of the people that died in the helicopter crash...

Kobe Bryant
Gianna Bryant
John Altobelli
Keri Altobelli
Alyssa Altobelli
Christina Mauser
Sarah Chester
Payton Chester
Ara Zobayan
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Shaymin on January 27, 2020, 06:10:52 PM
Hard to fathom four or five families getting torn apart in an instant like that.

In minor news, the Lakers/Clippers game scheduled for tomorrow has been postponed; the next Laker game will be Friday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 27, 2020, 09:14:13 PM
In minor news, the Lakers/Clippers game scheduled for tomorrow has been postponed; the next Laker game will be Friday.

That makes sense.
That was very close to home for them, someone who was still pretty active in the organization and work the players all across the league.

They could use a few days to breathe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 28, 2020, 02:52:14 AM
So I saw this happen in my mentions.

https://twitter.com/LosPollosTV/status/1221931640819027968?s=20
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 29, 2020, 12:37:40 AM
Well not to take away from Kobe and all those people who died but one of my teams played and I'd like to talk about them.

So the Suns blew out the Mavs 133-104 on top of excellent play from Booker and Ayton scoring 30+ points each.  Oubre Jr, Bridges and Rubio were solid for the team and what I loved most about the team is that Bridges got to start and he locked down Luka in the 1st quarter and throughout the game while scoring 13 and I think he had 6 assists.    The Suns had several players out but the starting lineup came up big.
Rubio, Booker, Oubre Jr, Bridges, and Ayton were all good while the bench not as impressive kept the lead the starters made throughout all 4 quarters.  Also the Suns had 48 points in the 3rd quarter to 22 from the Mavs.  It was essentially over after the 3rd quarter.

I think the only thing the Suns need to do is get a scorer off the bench before the trade deadline and they are golden to make a playoff push.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on January 29, 2020, 09:26:57 AM
Wow.  Coming from someone who is pretty big on the Mavs being an exciting team this year, WOW.

My problem with the Suns is that I don't trust them to put it together on a night-by-night basis, but when they are hitting it's a pretty amazing show. With so much young talent, you have to feel pretty good about the potential over the next couple of years.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 29, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
Wow.  Coming from someone who is pretty big on the Mavs being an exciting team this year, WOW.

My problem with the Suns is that I don't trust them to put it together on a night-by-night basis, but when they are hitting it's a pretty amazing show. With so much young talent, you have to feel pretty good about the potential over the next couple of years.
I kinda think the Suns haven't had the right starting lineup and health to build chemistry.  I mean the young players all know each other but there was the 25 game Ayton suspension, Ayton playing some and then getting injured and then the wierd lineup of having Rubio, Booker, Oubre Jr, Baynes and Ayton in there. 

I think the bench not being there kinda necessitated the need to have Bridges in the starting lineup to make the defense flow smoother than with Bridges coming off the bench.   Have Ty Jerome or Tyler Johnson run the point off the bench and have the signings come off the bench for stability with Saric, Kaminsky, Baynes coming in when healthy.    I kinda think someone like Larry Nance Jr would work for the Suns coming off the bench to be a scorer or to have someone athletic like him in the starting lineup and have Oubre Jr be the 6th man for matchup situations.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on January 30, 2020, 08:32:25 AM
A moment to bask:

Only two teams are ahead of the Raptors in the standings right now - Bucks and Lakers.
(Raptors are currently tied for third with Clippers in win percentage.)

This is true despite leading the league in win-shares lost to injury, and being very high on overall player games missed. This is true despite the team being largely written off after Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green walked with no return value for the Raptors last year.

Toronto can lose more than half of their games remaining, and still break 50 wins. With a remaining strength-of-schedule rating as the 11th easiest in the league, that seems like an easy target. Projected over/under for win total has risen from about 46 to about 53... and that over still seems like a great bet if you ask me. They are also barely touching the top 10 in championship odds, and only recently making it that high.

No respect for the champs.
Even if a repeat title seems unlikely right now, they'll be a tough out for any team when the playoffs arrive.
It's been a good season!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: broodwars on January 30, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
Ugh...I swear, the Jazz are just DETERMINED to get that 5th Seed again this season.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2020, 12:22:42 PM
Oh to suddenly find yourself back on the outside and really not even bothering to look in.... Much less, look up, to see where all the rest of you are at.

When's All-star weekend?
That's coming up real soon, right?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 30, 2020, 02:17:19 PM
Oh to suddenly find yourself back on the outside and really not even bothering to look in.... Much less, look up, to see where all the rest of you are at.

When's All-star weekend?
That's coming up real soon, right?
It is coming up in the next two weeks. Feb 14th-16th.
Trade Deadline is February 6th at 3pm EST.
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Post by: ejamer on January 30, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
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Trade Deadline is February 6th at 3pm EST.

Does anyone think there will be some big trades? It doesn't feel like much will happen this year, but I'm completely ignorant about roughly half the teams in the NBA so maybe I'm WAY off base.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 30, 2020, 03:43:50 PM
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Trade Deadline is February 6th at 3pm EST.

Does anyone think there will be some big trades? It doesn't feel like much will happen this year, but I'm completely ignorant about roughly half the teams in the NBA so maybe I'm WAY off base.
Big trades? Not likely unless they are in the realm of the 9 to 11 seed in their respective confrences.  I kinda picture teams making small changes for those that are in playoff contention to solidify their playoff roster like what the Raptors did last year with Marc Gasol. 
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Post by: broodwars on January 30, 2020, 07:29:07 PM
Alright, we finally have our All Star squads, now that the reserve players have been announced:

East: Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Ben Simmons, Khris Middleton, Jayson Tatum, Bam Adebayo, Domas Sabonis

West: Damian Lillard, Donovan Mitchell, Nikola Jokic, Rudy Gobert, Brandon Ingram, Russell Westbrook, Chris Paul

As you can imagine, I'm delighted to see Gobert & Mitchell on the Western All Star team. I can't find any issue with the other Western reserves, either.  The Eastern ones, though? Hmm...
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Post by: ejamer on January 30, 2020, 08:30:56 PM
... I can't find any issue with the other Western reserves, either.  The Eastern ones, though? Hmm...

Spell it out - who do you think is missing?

I find Westbrook just a tiny bit surprising in the West, given the Rockets falling short of expectations and a growing sort of "empty stats" narrative around him based on some mediocre decision making... But he still plays hard, puts up numbers, and is always fun to watch. So it's hard to feel bad about the selection, despite some other great players getting passed over.

What issues do you have with the East reserves?

Middleton is a player I've always been a bit luke-warm on; he seems like an incredible third option on a championship team, but maybe not an All-Star? I probably undervalue him though, because he's solid defensively and provides great spacing.

Sabonis is the only other player I see that people might argue about, but I actually love his game... maybe not the pick I would've made right now, as I think he'll only continue to improve, and if position wasn't an issue I'd probably have a guard or two higher on my list. Still a good option though, as hard-working 18/13 guys don't fall from trees.
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Post by: broodwars on January 30, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
What issues do you have with the East reserves?

Pretty much the 2 players you outlined. I'm not sure, though, who I would replace them with since I'm really not all that familiar with the Eastern Conference teams.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 30, 2020, 09:12:01 PM
Booker should I've been in there over Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook. Booker is putting up historic numbers this year and should have been in there. Plus the fact that he is the youngest guards who have 7000 points in his young NBA career. He surpassed Kobe as the youngest guard to have 7000 points just the other night. Booker is averaging 27 points this year and I want to say five assists this year and has been a key part of the Suns remaining in playoff contention.
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Post by: ejamer on January 30, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
What issues do you have with the East reserves?

Pretty much the 2 players you outlined. I'm not sure, though, who I would replace them with since I'm really not all that familiar with the Eastern Conference teams.

Bradley Beal is the guy, from reputation, that I'd consider first. But his efficiency is down this year and the Wizards are terrible... it's really hard to vote someone in when their team only has 15 wins. Andre Drummond loses out to Sabonis using a similar "wins matter" argument, even though I might like Drummond better in a vacuum.

Jaylen Brown from Boston and Fred VanVleet both come to mind as possible guards, but neither seems distinguished enough on stats alone, and both have 2 teammates already representing their city. (Note that I'm totally biased towards VanVleet in this case.)

Overall, I don't have much complaint with the selections made. I think they should get rid of the conferneces for All-Star selection eventually though!

(PS - I tend to agree about Booker getting snubbed and would've made the same exchange BeautifulShy suggested... but it's tough to break into the Western conference lineups.)
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Post by: broodwars on January 31, 2020, 12:30:16 AM
*sigh* Yeah, I know we're short-handed tonight, but MAN the Jazz seem to really want their usual 5th Seed these days.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 31, 2020, 12:50:59 AM
On Booker getting snubbed and other players in similar situations like Beal, Lavine, Rose and Drummond not being selected I think most of the coaches were looking at if they are in playoff contention.  There is one outlier in Ingram since they are worse than the Suns but Ingram kinda took the team on his back and did the bulk of the scoring. However you could see the same for Booker so that is kinda a wash until you know that Ingram and Booker weren't competing for the same position.  Booker was against Westbrook, Mitchell and Paul as guards. Ingram was against Gobert and Jokic as forwards. So it isn't the perfect system of selecting the reserves.   
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 31, 2020, 01:01:25 AM
*sigh* Yeah, I know we're short-handed tonight, but MAN the Jazz seem to really want their usual 5th Seed these days.

Honestly I have found that watching the standings like every night is a fruitless endeavor because all it does is stress you out if the team you are rooting for doesn't play to the teams potential.  There has been several times this year where the Suns are playing a team above them in the standings and I hope that they win but they lose and tumble further down in the standings as a result.  The Spurs game comes to mind where the Spurs were the 8 seed and the Suns were the 10th seed and there is like a game and a half between the teams and they lose and I get frustrated.  Maybe check in each week to see where your team is at just to get a baseline on where the team is at.

In the end the end of the season record is what matters and sometimes you can't control who wins each night so I just root for my teams and hope for the best.
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Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2020, 01:21:50 AM
That was embarrassing.

Damian Lillard scored eleventy billion points in the third quarter. Frank Vogel responded by playing Troy Daniels meaningful minutes. *slow clap*
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 01, 2020, 01:31:07 AM
Few things from that game...  We were sloppy with passes and had too many turnovers, too many second chances, and nobody except for AD, LeBron, Kuzma and Bradley scored more than 10 points.  Also Whiteside and Lillard just went off. 30 points for Whiteside and 6 blocks. That can't happen.
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Post by: ejamer on February 01, 2020, 09:27:08 AM
Meh.. the Lakers game is kind of a write-off for long-term takeaways though. Not even "just another regular season game" because of the weird emotional aspects. That said, Whiteside going 13/14 from the field is a bit ridiculous given the size and talent LA has; you have to figure that isn't going to be repeatable going forward.

Speaking of how many players hit 10+ points, congrats to the Nuggets for a great win over the Bucks, where every Denver player who hit the floor scored at least 10!  Lots of assists, nine different players hitting double-digits, and a very well-played game.  Pretty cool.
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Post by: Adrock on February 02, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
Meh.. the Lakers game is kind of a write-off for long-term takeaways though. Not even "just another regular season game" because of the weird emotional aspects. That said, Whiteside going 13/14 from the field is a bit ridiculous given the size and talent LA has; you have to figure that isn't going to be repeatable going forward.
Granted, Lillard and Whiteside going off won’t always happen (Lillard is just eating teams alive out there lately, see Blazers vs Jazz last night). That game was full of the Lakers’ ongoing issues this season. They won’t always be able to flip the switch. Unless the Lakers land Collison and Iguodala, they’re going to repeatedly get exposed in the playoffs. They’re definitely contenders albeit still third (at best) as favorites though.
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Speaking of how many players hit 10+ points, congrats to the Nuggets for a great win over the Bucks, where every Denver player who hit the floor scored at least 10!  Lots of assists, nine different players hitting double-digits, and a very well-played game.  Pretty cool.
That’s wild. When was the last time that happened? At the same time, if that is what a team has to do that to comfortably win against the Bucks, I’d love to be the Bucks right now.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2020, 01:16:12 PM
Well this is interesting...  Suns are in the process of trading for Luke Kennard from the Pistons. Suns are willing to give up Jevon Carter, Elle Okobo and their 2020 1st round pick.  This isn't a bad deal for both sides as the Suns need a scorer/ playmaker off the bench and they get that with Kennard. Carter and the 1st round pick is a decent young pair to shore up their starting/ backup point guard spot.   This draft is point guard heavy so the Pistons could get a really good point guard from the draft.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 04, 2020, 07:09:15 PM
Looks like we have our participants for All-Star Saturday Night. Feb 15th at 8pm EST/5PM PST

Skills Challenge

• Bam Adebayo, Miami
• Patrick Beverley, LA
• Spencer Dinwiddie, Brooklyn
• Khris Middleton, Milwaukee
• Derrick Rose, Detroit
• Domantas Sabonis, Indiana
• Pascal Siakam, Toronto
• Jayson Tatum, Boston

3 Point Contest

• Davis Bertans, Washington
• Devonte' Graham, Charlotte
• Joe Harris, Brooklyn
• Buddy Hield, Sacramento
• Zach LaVine, Chicago
• Damian Lillard, Portland
• Duncan Robinson, Miami
• Trae Young, Atlanta

Dunk Contest

• Pat Connaughton, Milwaukee
• Aaron Gordon, Orlando
• Dwight Howard, Los Angeles
• Derrick Jones Jr., Miami


My predictions on winners.

Skills Challenge- Rose
3 Point Contest- Lillard
Dunk Contest- Howard

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 04, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
Howard in the dunk contest over Gordon?  I don't know... not taking anything away from Howard, who has been pretty amazing in the past, Gordon is so ridiculously athletic that I'm expecting something jaw-dropping to be shown. His under both legs dunk still blows my mind.

(FWIW, I had heard rumors that Lavine was going to face off against Gordon in the dunk contest again, and was very excited. Their 2016 showdown was the best dunk-off I've ever seen, bar none. The actual lineup is totally fine, but I'm disappointed the world isn't being gifted that rematch.)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2020, 12:44:37 AM
Looks like the first major trade has happened.  A 4 team trade. Here is where things stand as of now.



Rockets: Robert Covington, Jordan Bell, 2nd rd pick
Hawks: Capela, Nene
T-Wolves: Malik Beasley, Evan Turner, Juancho Hernangomez, Jarred Vanderbilt, Hawks 1st rd pick
Nuggets: Shabazz Napier, Gerald Green, Keita Bates Diop, Noah Vonleh, Rockets 1st rd pick
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 05, 2020, 09:24:54 AM
Rockets gonna replace Capela w/...... Jordan Bell?

other than that, I'm not entirely sure how all the other trades really affect the other teams. Mostly because I've decided to work more and passively listen on the radio while driving, watch highlights after games and scores updates on my phone than actually watching games like last season.
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2020, 09:53:31 AM
Rockets gonna replace Capela w/...... Jordan Bell?
The Rockets are 10-1 without Capella this season so I believe they think going extra small is the best path moving forward.
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Post by: Soren on February 05, 2020, 10:14:45 AM
Listen I was about to lose my **** if the Warriors turned D'lo into a shittier version of Harrison Barnes.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2020, 04:50:52 PM
Rockets gonna replace Capela w/...... Jordan Bell?
The Rockets are 10-1 without Capella this season so I believe they think going extra small is the best path moving forward.

Looks like the Rockets are looking to the eastern conference for a starting center. 
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Houston is speaking with two unnamed Eastern Conference teams, Iko reports, about a center. Additionally, the Rockets are willing to take on additional salary in exchange for assets in a trade.

Two unnamed eastern conference teams. Well there is 4 teams in the eastern conference come to mind for centers. Magic with Vucavic, Mo Bamba and Khem Birch. Wizards with Thomas Bryant and Ian Mahinmi, Pacers with Myles Turner, Sabonis and Goga Bitadze, Finally the Cavs with Tristan Thompson, Zizic and Kevin Love.    I am leaning towards the Wizards and Cavs are the two teams Houston is talking with since they are rebuilding and not making the playoffs.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2020, 05:58:51 PM
So the Suns are fielding offers for Oubre Jr and he is making 15 million so he could be used to shore up the bench who as of today consist of Carter, Okobo, Lecque and Diallo.   There is a trade I came up with which would help the Suns in their bid to make the playoffs.   

Suns get Rose, Kennard and Wood from Detroit.
Pistons get Oubre Jr. 

If the Suns throw in Lecque they can also get Bruce Brown.

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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2020, 09:32:22 PM
Ugh this loss was so painful because the Suns were down to 8 players and 2 two way players to go up against Detroit.  A good portion of the Pistons were injured as well so it was the starters against each other and whatever the bench could produce.  Drummond (31 points and 19 boards), Reggie Jackson(25 points) and Wood(21 points all came to play and the Suns lost 116-108

All the Suns starters logged 41 minutes aside from Rubio who played 35 minutes.  Oubre Jr had 30, Ayton had 26, Booker had 22, Bridges had 13 and Rubio had 4 points but had 11 assists. 

Suns need to make a trade for the future and I think the Wood and Kennard would be good moves. 
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 05, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
So to branch off that 4 team trade the Hawks are regaining Dedmon for the backup center spot. Dedmond played for the Hawks last year and was productive for the Hawks.

Here is the deal.
Sacramento sends Dedmon and two second round picks(Rockets 2020) and (Heat 2021) to Atlanta for Alex Len and Jabari Parker. Those two are heading to Sacramento. 
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Post by: broodwars on February 05, 2020, 11:25:13 PM
Ugh...I'm just done with this Jazz team. They're remarkably worse now that Conley's returned, regardless of his own stats, and they've become fond of chucking again.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 01:50:16 AM
Looks like the Warriors are moving on from Alec Burks and Glen Robinson III and sending them to the 76ers for 3 second round picks.  Those picks are Dallas 2020, Denver 2021 and Toronto 2022. 
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Post by: ejamer on February 06, 2020, 08:06:18 AM
Yay!  Raptors manage to come back from a big deficit to keep their (franchise record) 12 game win streak alive!

Toronto is actually better this year than last if you look at record and point differential, despite dealing with far more injuries this time around. Not sure they will be able to carry this success over into the playoffs... but the CHAMPS are putting on a damn good show for their fans this year.



@broodwars:  Conley might be one of the most disappointing stories of the year. The fact that Utah has consistently been better without him still blows my mind, because I generally have a lot of respect for Conley's game... but everything just seems off when he's playing.  Overreaction?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
Welp it looks like T-Wolves have won the trade deadline.

 Golden State has agreed to trade D'Angelo Russell to Minnesota for a deal that includes Andrew Wiggins, a 2021 protected first-round pick and a 2021 second-round pick, league sources tell ESPN. Warriors will send Jacob Evans and Omari Spellman to Timberwolves too.   https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225480358860333056

Also yeah it works in the trade machine.  http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=vool64w
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 01:29:37 PM
Houston gets Bruno Caboclo from Memphis who is a 6'9 and could very well be a small ball center. Memphis gets Jordan Bell. Both teams exchange 2nd round picks.   Memphis has the right to swap the least favorable of Dallas' and Miami's second-round picks in 2023 for Houston's second-round pick in 2023 -- as long as Houston's pick is not 31 or 32, league source tell ESPN.   

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225482605761617925
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Post by: ejamer on February 06, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
The Golden State/Minnesota trade looks good for both sides.  The fit just seems better for both players on their new respective teams.

What do Warriors fans think about getting Wiggins, who has shown potential but never really seemed to commit, and sits in an odd spot between "talented" and "bust"...?  In the right situation it seems like he could shine, and with multiple all-stars surrounding him the pressure should be relatively low.

I feel bad for anyone going into Minnesota though. The franchise has been bad for so long, despite getting some superb talent through repeated high draft picks. The cultural problems just run too deep for any one player to change.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
Portland is trading Skal Labissiere and cash to Atlanta, league source tells ESPN.  Freeing up a roster spot?  https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225488279816089601
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
What do Warriors fans think about getting Wiggins...
Look no further than:
Listen I was about to lose my **** if the Warriors turned D'lo into a shittier version of Harrison Barnes.
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Post by: ejamer on February 06, 2020, 02:29:07 PM
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Listen I was about to lose my **** if the Warriors turned D'lo into a shittier version of Harrison Barnes.

But that's not a fair assessment - Wiggins is paid more, isn't he?    ;D
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 02:31:10 PM
Looks like Drummond is heading to the Cavs.  Detroit getting Brandon Knight, John Henson and a second-round pick form the Cavaliers for Andre Drummond, per sources. Second round pick would be the lesser of the Warriors and Cavs pick in 2023.
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1225498913123291136
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 03:14:03 PM
Finally if there isn't any other major trades then this would be the last one. 

The Clippers, Knicks and Wizards have agreed to a three-team trade that will land Marcus Morris and Isaiah Thomas with the Clippers, league sources tell ESPN. Jerome Robinson will join the Wizards, Moe Harkless and a 2020 first-round pick to the Knicks.    https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1225508038418849795

So with Clippers getting Isaiah Thomas in all likelihood Collison is going to the Lakers.

Suns and Lakers didn't make a move as of this post. This is good for the Lakers. Less so for the Suns.  With D'lo and KAT together on the T-Wolves I don't expect that Booker is going to be with the Suns much longer.
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Post by: Soren on February 06, 2020, 03:32:32 PM
What do Warriors fans think about getting Wiggins...


Wiggins is a bust who in no way makes the Warriors better and is owed 94 million over the next 3 seasons. Any "production" he gives the team comes at the cost of depth at the end of the bench that we desperately need given our aging, oft-injured superstars. I'll happily eat crow if I'm proved otherwise but it's safe to say that Warriors brass made a mistake thinking so highly of him.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2020, 04:13:20 PM
I can’t defend the Russell/Wiggins trade from the Warriors’ perspective. Everyone knew the Timberwolves salivated at the mere thought of pairing Towns and Russell. I expected the Warriors to rake the Timberwolves over the coals whether at the deadline or this summer.
With D'lo and KAT together on the T-Wolves I don't expect that Booker is going to be with the Suns much longer.
Pardon my ignorance. How are these related?

The Clippers getting Morris sucks for the Lakers. Brightest timeline would have been keeping Kuzma and the Clippers not improving.

I wonder if Rose is getting bought out. He serves no real purpose on the Pistons right now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2020, 05:21:45 PM
This is Wiggins chance to shine.
If he survives the summer trades, he better make the best of being teamed up with the Dubs Big 3, and get a ring.
We coming back full force next season, and we could use a big athletic man down low that can also stretch the floor.

Edit:
Dray gonna love having someone to feed inside again, and also another person to kick out to. Could be a really good fit if Wiggins rises to the opportunity.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 05:35:06 PM
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With D'lo and KAT together on the T-Wolves I don't expect that Booker is going to be with the Suns much longer.

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Pardon my ignorance. How are these related?



Booker, D'lo and KAT are all friends and have said that they are going to be on a team together sometime in the future.    https://arizonasports.com/story/2123032/dlo-devin-booker-karl-anthony-towns-and-himself-will-play-together/   

Consider this the new LeBron, Wade and Bosh/ Carmello trade.   
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 06, 2020, 06:31:52 PM
I edited my previous post regarding Wiggins.

And the Grizz just sent Iguodala to the Heat for Justice Winslow.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 07:01:16 PM
Looks like the NBA All-Star Draft is finished and these are the players drafted to their respective teams.

Team LeBron Starters

LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Luka Doncic
James Harden

Reserves
Damian Lillard
Ben Simmons
Nikola Jokic
Jayson Tatum
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Domantas Sabonis


Team Giannis Starters

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Joel Embiid
Pascal Siakam
Kemba Walker
Trae Young

Reserves
Khris Middleton
Bam Adebayo
Rudy Gobert
Jimmy Butler
Kyle Lowry
Brandon Ingram
Donovan Mitchell
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2020, 07:45:19 PM
I presume that’s the order in which the players were picked. Jebus, James ended up with Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard, AND Luka Dončić? I feel like Antetokounmpo deliberately didn’t pick Leonard because of last year’s playoffs. I get James picking Davis first because teammates/Klutch. There’s just no universe in which Leonard should be picked third based on talent/skill.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on February 06, 2020, 07:59:51 PM
Yes AD was drafted first by LeBron and the Giannis picked Embid.   One thing to note is all the starters remained in their own conference.  Reserves there was a mix of both conferences. 

I mean when you think about Giannis and how he plays with him in the middle and shooters around him the starting lineup doesn't look too bad.  That is really the only lens I can say the starters were ideal choices for his team.
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Post by: ejamer on February 07, 2020, 01:02:41 PM
... I feel like Antetokounmpo deliberately didn’t pick Leonard because of last year’s playoffs. ...

And yet he did pick Siakam (earlier than I had expected) and Lowry. Not sure that the playoffs last year were really the deciding factor - his "my other African brother" comment about Siakam made me think that regional loyalty might have influenced him to pick Embiid opposite Davis, much like it influenced him to take Middleton as the first reserve.

I still feel bad that Booker couldn't make the cut.
Will there be any injury replacements this year? I wondered in particular about Luka and Embiid, who are dealing with issues that might make rest more appealing.


One other interesting note: is it my imagination, or did Ingram fall pretty far below where his skillset might suggest he be picked? Felt like James specifically didn't want him... hahaha.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 08, 2020, 10:09:56 AM
I just wanna to revisit my thoughts on Wiggins. I know the kid is talented, but doesn't really have the work ethic to be the player he shows the promise to be. He's been very "ho-hum" in Minnesota, occasionally reminding people he was a top pick for split seconds at a time.
I think him getting in that GS culture next to both Step, Klay and Dray who all have a good chemistry and great work ethic may spark something in this kid to want to live up to something and realize he may actually have a chance to succeed here now that he has a chance could ignite the flame and give it focus to it burns harder and brighter.

I have to admit, I haven't watched him play much, as I never pay attention to the Timberwolves, out side of those Prince Jerseys (fire), but he could be an asset if he gets properly motivated and buys into the culture. I hear the culture in Minny was not good, and all they did was play videogames.

On the other hand..... D-Lo and Steph and Klay could've been fun to watch, but honestly, I never expected D-Lo to last past the trade deadline.... and even if he did somehow, never past the summer. Probably could've gotten more for him during the summer, but the Wiggins trade could undervalued trade since Wiggins has plenty of potential from everything I've heard, he just need to be polished and focused.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: broodwars on February 09, 2020, 10:56:09 PM
So...yeah, that happened. Bognanovic with a ridiculous, off-balance game-winning 3 at the buzzer with only 1.6 seconds to work with after the Rockets just hit a potential game-winning 3 of their own. Go figure.


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xjoX0Kcc8E
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Post by: ejamer on February 10, 2020, 08:12:52 AM
I feel like they shouldn't have needed the crazy, last-second shot - if Houston had won, Utah would've thrown this one away. But wow, what a buzzer beater! One of the best of the season so far? I mean, the defense was solid all around. It was just a huge shot.
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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2020, 10:51:36 AM
I feel like they shouldn't have needed the crazy, last-second shot - if Houston had won, Utah would've thrown this one away. But wow, what a buzzer beater! One of the best of the season so far? I mean, the defense was solid all around. It was just a huge shot.

Unfortunately, the Rockets just historically have our number, between Harden  and this new defensive strategy apparently everyone in the West is using on us now where they go Small Ball. We also just haven't found a solution where Conley works in our offense. His inclusion is driving down Mitchell & Ingles, who traditionally are our primary ball handlers.

Bogey got fouled on that shot, too. I doubt he would have gotten the whistle if the shot hadn't gone in, though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 10, 2020, 10:47:19 PM
Eesh... Raptors were down to their third-string center, with both Gasol (injured) and Ibaka (sick) sitting out vs Karl Anthony Towns and the T-Wolves. Thank goodness Minnesota (a) doesn't play any defense, and (b) are generally a terrible team.

Chalk up 137 points and another Raptors win, bringing their franchise-record win streak to 14 in a row.

Granted, that's almost entirely versus bad teams during a weak spot in the schedule. Toronto still hasn't shown out well against top tier teams... but I love how they take care of business against teams the "should" beat. Very rare to see this team take a night off, which is why they've hit 40 wins before the all-star break.

#underrated
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2020, 11:53:35 PM
These Warriors are so bad right now.
At the gym in full Warrior gear, and about to shut the game off and just listen to music instead.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: nickmitch on February 11, 2020, 12:02:16 AM
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Shaymin on February 11, 2020, 10:08:53 AM
The Raptors streak is actually at 15, which is the longest win streak ever amassed by a professional Canadian team in the three Big Four leagues + the CFL.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2020, 10:28:33 AM
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....at least I'm still trying to watch.

I'm just glad Steph is eager to get back on the court in early March and hopefully bring some consistent scoring and competent ball handling and ball movement back into the rotation.

The massive amounts of rookie ball at play is just frustrating, and I can only imagine what Dray is going through trying to coach these rooks on the court during the game.

Next season with Steph, Klay, Dray, and Wiggins should be fun though.
Question is, do we trade our Top3 (#1!!!) pick for something of immediate experienced value, or grab that center everyone thinks we should get?

and how many people would melt down if the Dubs actually got that #1 pick in the draft!? that would be hilarious and amazing, specifically for the reactions, but for the potential to the team as well.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: nickmitch on February 11, 2020, 11:48:26 AM
Your starters, when healthy, are still good enough to contend.  I would invest in the future; i.e., keep the pick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 11, 2020, 12:08:42 PM
... Next season with Steph, Klay, Dray, and Wiggins should be fun though.  ...

Looney too, right? I mean, when healthy he looked like there was a lot of potential there, and a good fit with the other Golden State starters.

Your starters, when healthy, are still good enough to contend.  I would invest in the future; i.e., keep the pick.

Without knowing, or caring, much about the cap situation I tend to agree. It would be incredible to bring in a talented youngster who could develop in a winning environment.

However, I have a feeling that the cost of a #1 pick might be pretty high once you figure in the taxes (luxury; repeat?) that Golden State will be facing in the near future. Unless there is a specific player they really like, I can't help but wonder if they'd be better off flipping a known #1 pick now for a couple unknown picks in the future to delay the rebuild while collecting multiple future assets.

(Which decision to pursue also might depend on your faith in the scouting department. Right now, Toronto fans have enjoyed watching a string of great players who were either undrafted or picked well outside the lottery. High draft picks don't always pay off.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 11, 2020, 01:48:44 PM
ejamer all the trades that the Warriors did at the trade deadline was to get away from the repeater tax.  Glen Robinson III and Alec Burk to Philly were the first step to get under the luxery tax.  Even the D'lo trade they sent over Spellman and Evans with D'lo to the T-Wolves so the Warriors are good to go on the tax end of things.

If I were the warriors I would keep the pick and draft some center so you have that young piece to grow with Wiggins after the warriors core is gone.  All three are in their early 30s and Draymond is already regressing so look to the future with the pick.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: nickmitch on February 12, 2020, 11:20:24 AM
However, I have a feeling that the cost of a #1 pick might be pretty high once you figure in the taxes (luxury; repeat?) that Golden State will be facing in the near future. Unless there is a specific player they really like, I can't help but wonder if they'd be better off flipping a known #1 pick now for a couple unknown picks in the future to delay the rebuild while collecting multiple future assets.

Hm, that's a good point.  Every team rebuilds eventually, so you could put it off until you accumulate a good number of picks over two to three years.  But you also need to consider how long your current players will last.  Klay's injury might shorten his career a bit (knock on wood it doesn't), but Steph might hang around a little bit past the window you might be able to get picks for.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 13, 2020, 07:13:17 PM
Looks like the NBA All-Star Draft is finished and these are the players drafted to their respective teams.

Team LeBron Starters

LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Kawhi Leonard
Luka Doncic
James Harden

Reserves

Damian Lillard
Ben Simmons
Nikola Jokic
Jayson Tatum
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Domantas Sabonis


Team Giannis Starters

Giannis Antetokounmpo
Joel Embiid
Pascal Siakam
Kemba Walker
Trae Young

Reserves
Khris Middleton
Bam Adebayo
Rudy Gobert
Jimmy Butler
Kyle Lowry
Brandon Ingram
Donovan Mitchell


So there has been one change to this list since Damian Lillard got injured the other day.

Devin Booker is taking Lillard's place on the All-Star team and in the 3 point contest.   This is Bookers first All-Star selection and Lillard did say that Booker should replace him in the All-Star game.  This is the Suns first All-Star selection since 2012 who was Steve Nash.   
Everyone on Bright Side of the Sun is very happy.   https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/2/13/21136081/devin-booker-is-an-nba-all-star-phoenix-suns-first-since-2012#

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 13, 2020, 08:00:16 PM
I was wondering when Pau Gasol was going to be interviewed about Bryant’s death (https://youtu.be/I9d9IjRSUCI). For anyone interested:
Gasol is the main reason I follow the Lakers. I liked his attitude and approach to basketball. I hope the Lakers retire #16.

Big win last night. F Jamal Murray. Alex Caruso should play more.

Anyway, I’m so disappointed Damian Lillard had to drop out of the three-point contest. This year, there are two shots placed six feet behind the line. That’s Lillard’s shot! (Unless you’re Paul George who said something else recently that makes me dislike the Clippers even more this year than I already did).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 13, 2020, 10:25:35 PM
To bad Curry can't participate.
6ft behind the line is where he's most comfortable. Lol
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 13, 2020, 11:29:13 PM
Watched the end of the Celtics vs. Clippers game. It felt weird to root for the Celtics. Kawhi Leonard barely touched the ball in the second overtime. That was weird. RIP Landry Shamet’s ankles.

Zion Williamson score over 30 again. Jebus...

The Pelicans are going to be really good in a few years.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 14, 2020, 01:06:39 AM
Zion is so good already.  If they keep Lonzo, Ingram, Hart and Zion they are going to be so good.

Saw this video on my YT feed today. It goes over why Zion is so good already.


For BnM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoTokEzdZYo
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 16, 2020, 03:08:22 AM
So here is all the highlights from All-Star Saturday Night from the Skills challenge to the 3 point contest to the Dunk Contest.



For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6N7T3eGvJU


For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S7iCPqATic&t=0s


For BnM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8TS9if_etk


I have to say that in the past guards have dominated the Skills competition at the break but the majority of the guards didn't make it into the final round so that may be the changing of the guard with the skills challenge.


I loved the 3 point contest and it was just a matter of form and who had the most 3 point balls and Booker had a good showing even as a last minute replacement. That is a testament on how Booker is so good and is always ready so I am happy to see him in his first All-Star appearance.  I even saw him filming the Dunk contest and taking in his first All-Star weekend so I am happy for Booker.

Finally for the Dunk Contest you had the story of Dwight Howard returning to the Dunk Contest after a several years absence, Pat Connaughton being a surprise entry and just wowing everyone with his dunking ability,
Aaron Gordon looking for redemption from past dunk contests and getting five 50s in a row, and Derrick Jones Jr of the Heat doing his dunks for the recently retired Dwyane Wade and seeing if he can raise the bar for dunks in the Dunk Contest.  All great stories.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 16, 2020, 10:18:19 AM
Skills Challenge: Really thought Domantas Sabonis had it. Good for Bam Adebayo though.

3-Point Shootout: With Damian Lillard injured (and Steph Curry and Klay Thompson for that matter), I was rooting for Devin Booker. Buddy Hield winning at the buzzer was awesome.

Slam Dunk Contest: Dwight Howard’s first dunk was better than a 41. He’s 34 years old and did a 360 spread Statue of Liberty dunk easily. I don’t think that should have gotten him into the second round, just stating 41 was too low.

Aaron Gordon losing was complete nonsense and really makes me not care about this contest. Dude gets five straight 50s then jumps over 7’5” Tacko Fall (who dipped his head a little so let’s call it 7’2”) without vaulting and gets a 47. What the hell was that score? Get the **** out of here. Even Derrick Jones Jr. was shaking his head; the look on his face was at worst “Yeah, that’s a 50. I’ll take the L.” and at best “Let’s do another round.”
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2020, 02:42:19 PM
I don't know man..... the dunk contest was a close one.

Taco dipped his head and shoulders so that may take away from it a little, but on the other hand, the dude is 7'5" tall.
If he tried to clear him on maybe the 2nd/3rd jump, he may have gotten closer, after however many jumps he had taken, I'm sure he wasn't at max elevation anymore

It was really almost too close to call if you ask me.
I probably would've given it to AG simply because I don't think he won it last time, and that was a close ass call too. But I'm also not mad that DJ Jr won it, because who knows if he ever has this chance again?

edit: I do have to say that Gordon's swoop 360 windmill of the side of the backboard is so damn smooth. Definitely a Dunk Contest Hall of Fame Dunk - he could've won on that one alone.
I think what ultimately lost it for him is when he did the same/similar dunk as DJ Jr. the over the person under the leg slam
He should have added a 180 in there and turned it into a reverse. I think that would've sealed the deal.
Or did the over the mascot under both legs jam again. That would've killed it. I think the Tacko dunk that he didn't actually clear kinda brought the hype down.

But it was a really close one.

as for the 3pt contest.... I hope Hield and Booker make it back next year, and I'm hoping Steph and Klay both participate as well. after both having sat out pretty much an entire season, I'm sure they would want to establish some shooting dominance, especially with the deep 3's in the mix now. They'd have fun with it, win or lose.

As for the skills contest, I'm surprised no one has gone up for a dunk/layup and then purposely messed with the other guys ball to buy themselves some time. LOL I know that would be messed up, but if it was a friendly rivalry situation it could be funny. Good for Adebayo though for poppin off and burying those 3's when the announcers called him out for not being a shooter. Instant Egg on face. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 17, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
Didn't have a chance to watch All-Star game until this afternoon, but it was a pretty entertaining romp.

I'm biased, but some of my favorite moments include:
* Kyle Lowry taking TWO charges in the fourth quarter, and then complaining post-game that it should've been three.  (He was right.)
* Pascal Siakam and Kawhi Leonard caught on mic with a throwback to the finals last year. Pascal: "No more threes, no more threes bro". Leonard: "You gonna deny me?" Pascal: "Box and one! Box and one over here!"
* Gobert just being huge generally in the game; he's been overdue for an All-Star appearance in my opinion.

The East blew their chances in the fourth quarter, missing a bunch of open shots when they were in the lead. Despite some people saying they love the new format, I'm a bit iffy. It worked wonderfully in this game... but with this much offensive firepower you feel like 24 points could come very quickly and lead to an anti-climactic ending in some cases?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 17, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
Team Giannis played really well and had lots of younger players on his team so they could run but this game format was won and loss on defense.  In the second half the game in the 3rd quarter got more defensive and Team LeBron was able to keep Team Giannis to 41 points while scoring 41 themselves.

   But yeah ejamer the game could go quickly to the leading team but these are the best 24 players in the world and if they are going to play like it is playoff basketball they are more than capable of doing so.  We saw that in the 3rd and 4th quarter.  The 1st half was more like older All-Star games lots of highlights and learning your new/current teammate more and having more fun.    2nd half got more serious. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 21, 2020, 09:53:20 AM
Anyone have assessments of their team's performance so far, or hopes about what might happen as we approach the end of the regular season? Won't be long now and the final picture will become much clearer - whether that means positioning for playoffs or for lottery picks.

What are the best/worst things that have happened to your team so far this year?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 21, 2020, 11:57:59 AM
Generally, I'm just waiting for Steph to come back so we can get some sorry if semblance of coherent and consistent offense.
Not really expecting to win games, but to be a little more competitive and make sure Steph still got his shooting stroke in tact. I need him to bury enough 3's in the remaining games to make a Top 20 list even though he missed most of the damn season.
A little Curry Wiggins PnR action could also get the flow of the Warriors offense going again too. Time to test a few things in preparation for next season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 22, 2020, 01:21:54 AM
 Sources: Lakers waiving DeMarcus Cousins while eyeing Markieff Morris (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28752786/sources-lakers-waiving-demarcus-cousins-eyeing-markieff-morris)

Definitely a surprise though I’m sure this decision got the okay from Anthony Davis and LeBron James. I doubt anyone will claim Cousins from waivers so I expect him to continue rehabbing at Lakers’ facilities. I also expect him back with the Lakers next season. It makes sense for Cousins to not rush back. He keeps doing that and getting injured.

While Markieff Morris is considered the worse of the twins, he will still be a massive upgrade for the Lakers. They finally have another wing to throw at Kawhi Leonard. More importantly, the Lakers get to improve their roster while keeping Kyle Kuzma. It should be noted that Morris may still be claimed by another team (e.g. the Rockets) though teams typically do not do this to players with verbal agreements with other teams for fear of angering the player’s agent.

Moe Harkless would have been another nice wing even though his offense is 😒. He decided not to seek a buyout from the Knicks. He’s from Queens so playing for the Knicks is probably a childhood dream so I can’t blame him.

I still expect Troy Daniels to be cut if the Lakers can find some playmaking and/or scoring off the bench. The Pistons are cleaning house so I’m keeping my eyes on Derrick Rose getting bought out. Davis and Rose are Chicago boys.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Anyone have assessments of their team's performance so far, or hopes about what might happen as we approach the end of the regular season? Won't be long now and the final picture will become much clearer - whether that means positioning for playoffs or for lottery picks.

What are the best/worst things that have happened to your team so far this year?
Best thing to happen this year for the Lakers this year is getting AD and he has been such a defensive presence and a force on the offensive end.  Worse thing is having to temper my expectations on Kuzma of being the 3rd star off the bench.  Nowadays I just look at how he is improving his rebounds, defense and assists and any little improvements from him. The second part is how Ingram and Ball have improved while away from the Lakers. This has happened for pretty much all our younger players.   

For the Suns. Best thing is Booker being an All-Star finally and being acknowledged. Worse is two fold. 25 game suspension on Ayton to start the year and all the injuries to the team.  The Suns front court was decimated for like 6 weeks or so. No Baynes, Saric, Kaminsky, Cam Johnson and Lecque out at some point in the season. Really only Booker, Mikal Bridges, Oubre Jr,  Cheick Diallo, Okobo and Carter have been healthy most of the year. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2020, 06:40:17 AM
As for buyout options for the Lakers I don't see Rose leaving.  Pistons are very bare in the point guard spot with Brevin Knight, Derrick Walton Jr, and Jordan Bone which is a two way player.  I think Rose stays and mentors them for this season and the Pistons trade Rose during the draft or in the offseason for the last year of his current contract.   

I think Trey Burke or Tim Frazier for the backup PG if they need a playmaker externally.  Burke being more scoring focus with some playmaking and Frazier being the reverse of that.   I guess Waiters could be another option.   Now the question is does Cook, Daniels or Talen Horton Tucker get cut for one of these players or do we just get playmaking internally in Caruso, Cook or spread the playmaking around through all the players on the bench in Caruso, Rondo, Kuzma and Markief Morris.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 22, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
As for buyout options for the Lakers I don't see Rose leaving.
You’re probably right, but a girl can dream. 🤷‍♀️   
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Now the question is does Cook, Daniels or Talen Horton Tucker get cut for one of these players
If anyone else gets cut, it’ll be Troy Daniels. Quinn Cook has some guaranteed money next year (not a lot but still) and he has history with Kobe Bryant. Given how Jeanie Buss runs the Lakers like a family, I can’t see them cutting Cook unless absolutely necessary. I think Jared Dudley would get cut before Cook.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 22, 2020, 07:00:40 PM
Yeah Rose would be nice to have but I think he is staying put.  It would be something to have 4 former #1 picks on the same team.  I think there will be some discussion on if Vogel needs a better playmaker off the bench and the front office and AD and LeBron on what might work for a fit there.   Looking at the bench as it stands now.

Rajon Rondo.  Currently the main playmaker off the bench. Has pretty good to great chemistry with everyone on the team. This year has averaged 7.7 points, 3.3 rebounds and 5.3 assists with 2.0 turnovers. Been pretty good from the field. 43.0%, 35.5% from 3 and 68.6% from the line.  When he has played offball he has been a good shooter with him and Caruso out there and running the point.  Unless we get a better playmaker than Rondo and is better defensively(which is a low bar) I don't see Rondo losing the backup PG spot.

Caruso is younger and better defensively than Rondo but he needs to work more on his playmaking.  He does tend to have all the intangibles you want in a point guard it is just he needs to get better with his passing.   His stats don't tell the whole story but here they are.  5.5 points, 1.9 rebounds, 1.7 assists, 0.3 blocks, 1.0 steals and 0.8 turnovers this season in about 18 minutes a game.

Quinn Cook has played limited minutes this year but when he has played he has been a bright spot in scoring.  Not much in the form of playmaking but he is a guard so I thought I would mention that.   

I am more of a fan of weaning the backup pg spot from Rondo and giving it to Caruso as the season goes on and Rondo can turn into a scorer and occasionally a playmaker like he played at the start of the season.     Unless we get someone in the buyout market this is probably the best internal option.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
Lakers vs. Celtics was a damn good game.

I don’t agree with the technical foul call on Brad Stevens at the end there. Come on, don’t call that. I’ve seen coaches do and say worse. Even though Anthony Davis could have iced the game (barring a miracle), I’m kind of glad he missed the free throw.

LeBron James needs to stop shooting those late-game three pointers in close games. Heart stops every time because he usually misses them. In any case, a win over the Celtics is always a delight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2020, 03:38:29 PM
The waterworks came out again today as today was the Celebration of Life for Kobe Bryant and Gianna Bryant.

I am a weeping mess today.  I'll always remember you Kobe for as long as I will live. 

Here is the Celebration of Life in full.


For BnM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCwXMUM3wog
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2020, 10:18:25 PM
you think I'm gonna watch that now? I got things to do man.... (don't got no time to cry)

I will however forward it to a friend who was a die hard Kobe friend.
although I'm sure he took the day off work to either watch it live or be there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2020, 11:52:25 PM
you think I'm gonna watch that now? I got things to do man.... (don't got no time to cry)

I will however forward it to a friend who was a die hard Kobe friend.
although I'm sure he took the day off work to either watch it live or be there.
Hey when you get a chance to.   On the Lakers YT channel the segments were broken up into their own videos.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 24, 2020, 11:54:26 PM
Suns beat the Jazz tonight.  Earlier in the day Booker was at the Celebration of Life in LA. His stats tonight.

24 points, 8 fg made, 2/4 from 3. 4 rebounds, 10 assists and 4 turnovers. Kobe was there with him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: broodwars on February 25, 2020, 12:05:03 AM
*sigh* I've stopped watching this fraud of a Jazz team. They keep this performance up, and they'll be lottery-bound, and perhaps it's better that way rather than their traditional 1st round drubbing. I haven't seen a Jazz team this talented spectacularly fail this consistently in quite some time without injuries to blame it on.

It figures the harbinger of death himself, Deron Williams, would pick this game, of all games, to show up to.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 25, 2020, 07:22:51 AM
I'm excited (and a bit nervous) about the Bucks vs Raptors game tonight.

Toronto is missing two key contributors in Gasol/Powell due to injury, but have taken care of business during their absence. Still, this is the first good opponent they've played in over a month and Toronto will really miss having Powell available. Whether it's because the Bucks originally drafted and then traded him, or due to some match-up oddity, Norman is a hardcore Bucks killer who always overachieves against Milwaukee.

There is a lot of talk (in Canada at least) about whether Raptors are contenders or pretenders. Their overall record, point differential, poise and coaching all suggest contender. The lack of a true superstar, losing record against elite teams, and reliance on transition points suggest pretender. I don't think there will be any way to know until the playoffs arrive though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on February 29, 2020, 08:38:00 AM
Ugh... so frustrating to see Toronto lose again last night.

Losing against the Bucks was understandable.

Losing against the Hornests... not so much. I can point to injuries (Toronto only had their third-string center available and were missing VanVleet also) as a reasonable excuse, but the Raptors still should've found a way to win against very mediocre competition and simply played very poorly when they needed to avoid mistakes.

This team has so much potential, but they really need the injury carousel to slow down before the playoffs. Missing two or three starters/key rotation players every night is becoming a problem.

(Sorry for the rant.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 05, 2020, 11:09:43 PM
I am sure BnM is happy that Steph is back playing tonight and it is against the Raptors so it could be interesting how this plays out tonight.


As for my teams. Suns and Lakers...  Suns have a long shot to make the playoffs.  A week or so back Oubre Jr got injured and we lost to the pistons and Warriors which seemed like easy wins but without Oubre Jr those games were not as certain with Saric coming in for Oubre Jr.    They missed out on Jordan McRrae on the buyout market because DRose got hurt and the Pistons had a worse record so they got first dibs at him.   This season they have done better than many thought but they are likely to miss the playoffs again.   On the brightside Booker, Bridges, Ayton and Oubre Jr are good young players to build around.  Although the Suns are in dire need of a backup PG and a starting calibur PF.

The Lakers on the other hand are the number 1 seed in the west and if they can win the next two games against the Clippers and Bucks or one of two and the Kings lose then we can clinch a playoff spot. 
They also got a few players off the buyout market in Markief Morris and Dion Waiters.  They are rumored to be looking for more shooting but personally speaking I think they are fine with shooters.  AD, Green, Kuzma, Caruso, Markief, Waiters, Dudley, Cook and at times Rondo can be good shooters. They just need to be more consistent.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on March 06, 2020, 08:22:24 AM
Really good to see Curry back on a court. He's always electric, and his insane gravity will make everything easier for his Golden State teammates.

Also good to see the Raptors secure a playoff spot. They still have a lot of work to do, with a fantastic young Celtics team sitting just a game-and-a-half out of the second seed. Hard to believe that the Raptors have twice as many losses as the team immediate ahead of them though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
Curry's return was good, he brought what we have been missing. If we had Dray on the court, I feel we might've won that one.

Lots of mistakes made on offense and defense, including blown layups and a dunk (looking at you Chriss 🤨).
But the potential is there. I didn't see the whole game, but once the OG3 are back on the court, with the addition of Wiggins, we right back in this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on March 06, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
..., I feel we might've won that one...

Even if the Warriors don't win games, the difference with Curry is that you always feel like it's possible - and some fun to boot. That's a big shift in the right direction. Gosh, he's a fun player to watch.

Back when Curry was getting drafted, the Raptors were picking 2 spots after Golden State, and I was just hoping and praying that he'd somehow slip through the cracks. Granted, his whole career could've been different if that happened... but even back in college it was just a joy to watch him play with all the crazy gimmick defenses thrown around to slow him down.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on March 07, 2020, 01:19:14 AM
The Lakers can’t beat elite teams.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 07, 2020, 02:02:35 AM
The Lakers can’t beat elite teams.
I know this is the narrative but the Lakers played excellent defense and contained Giannis and everyone else to win by 10 even though both teams didn't shoot 3s like they usually do.   This was a wonderful win and we have clinched our first playoff spot in 7 years!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on March 07, 2020, 07:52:06 PM
The narrative never made any sense. The Lakers have beaten good teams all year. In fact, I believe they’ve now beaten every team except the Clippers and the Raptors. The Lakers have rematch against the Raptors in a couple weeks. They may lose to the Clippers tomorrow, but I don’t think that means they can’t beat the Clippers particularly in a seven game series. The Lakers were up by 15 points on Christmas. They were also down by nine points against the Bucks last night then rattled off an 18-0 run and won by 10.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on March 07, 2020, 10:58:18 PM
The Lakers can’t beat elite teams.

Is this a thing for the Lakers too?  I hadn't heard that, and don't believe it.

It's a thing people say about the Raptors. They might be right there. Toronto plays hard, has good depth, and consistently takes care of their business against lesser teams... but there are some very real questions about whether they can complete against the top-tier teams once playoffs start. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that they'll be healthy for the playoffs.

And that's really the only thing that worries me when it comes to the Lakers: banking heavily on the healthy of their two superstars. As long as the team is healthy, they have the ability to take down pretty much anyone in a seven game series.

Playoffs should be a lot of fun this year - moreso in the West than the East, though. Eastern Conference teams look a bit top-heavy when it comes to talent.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 08, 2020, 03:20:40 AM
Mini-Movie of the Lakers win over the Bucks

For BNM and anyone else: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cbLKjygSWk
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 08, 2020, 12:19:13 PM
WARRIORS!!!!

WARRIORS!!!

WARRIORS!!!

so excited to see them win that one last night.
And Steph wasn't even on the ffloor.

Good for them!!!
(now is not the time to start winning games all of a sudden though. LOL)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 08, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
Hell of a win today versus the Clippers for the Lakers. They started slow both teams but LeBron and Kawhi picked things up.  Kuzma was very good today in his play. Maybe not scoring but he was active and hustling all over the court and he played really well defensively with how he was playing George and Lou Williams.  The 3rd player that took on the scoring load was Avery Bradley and he scored 24. A season high for him today.  This was a really good win for the team and defensively. These past two games everyone has showed up in many ways. Go Lakers!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on March 08, 2020, 06:27:39 PM
Lou Williams made a three pointer in the final seconds after the Lakers took a 24-second violation so as not to run up the score. The Clippers weren't trying to foul so Avery Bradley just dribbled out the clock. Add this to the list of things I hate about the Clippers this season.

The Lakers just beat the Bucks and Clippers back-to-back. There goes that narrative. I'm waiting to see how Skip Bayless shits on LeBron James tomorrow.
It's a thing people say about the Raptors. They might be right there. Toronto plays hard, has good depth, and consistently takes care of their business against lesser teams... but there are some very real questions about whether they can complete against the top-tier teams once playoffs start.
As long as the Raptors are healthy, I have more faith in them in the playoffs than the Bucks. The Raptors are playoff tested, Leonard or no Leonard. I think Giannis Antetokounmpo can still be taken out of big games mentally. He's 25 so he'll get there. Is this the year? Maybe, maybe not.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on March 09, 2020, 09:44:06 PM
Son of a...

Opening quarter for the Raptors vs Jazz, and they are so close to being healthy again for the first time since... before Christmas?  Something like that. Of course Norm Powell would go down with an injured ankle after a nasty collision with OG Anunoby. But hey, at least he was healthy long enough to earn Eastern Conference Player of the Week honors first. Oh well. The team was only missing two starters coming in, so how much difference will it make to lose another of their top 7.

(If I sound bitter... well, that's pretty accurate.)


This game (most likely) just went from a competitive match to an easy Jazz victory.
--

Spoke too soon.

Without trying to discredit the Raptors for fighting through a tough game, this is why people don't take Utah seriously. There is no reason that a team as talented as Utah can't put together a better performance and win against a depleted opponent coming into their home court. Doesn't bode well for the playoffs.

Apologies if that offends Utah fans, but I'm assuming you also feel frustrated after that mess of a game.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 09, 2020, 11:32:54 PM
Son of a...

Opening quarter for the Raptors vs Jazz, and they are so close to being healthy against for the first time since... before Christmas?  Something like that. Of course Norm Powell would go down with an injured ankle after a nasty collision with OG Anunoby. But hey, at least he was healthy long enough to earn Eastern Conference Player of the Week honors first. Oh well. The team was only missing two starters coming in, so how much difference will it make to lose another of their top 7.

(If I sound bitter... well, that's pretty accurate.)


This game (most likely) just went from a competitive match to an easy Jazz victory.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: broodwars on March 10, 2020, 12:18:00 AM
Without trying to discredit the Raptors for fighting through a tough game, this is why people don't take Utah seriously. There is no reason that a team as talented as Utah can't put together a better performance and win against a depleted opponent coming into their home court. Doesn't bode well for the playoffs.

Apologies if that offends Utah fans, but I'm assuming you also feel frustrated after that mess of a game.

None taken. I believe I've said in the past that this Jazz team is a fraud. They can beat up on the middling to bad teams, but they fold like Origami the moment they face a playoff-quality team and for the life of me I can't understand why. Management cashed in all their chips on this team. This is easily the most talented squad we've had in years, possibly since the Stockton/Malone years, and they still can't win games they should be winning. Hell, most of our losses against playoff-quality teams this year came from when the opposing team team was either missing players or on the bad end of a road trip or back-to-back.

This team just doesn't want it, and for a Jazz fan and for a small market team in general there's nothing more offensive. Even during our worst years the team still played like they gave a ****.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: Adrock on March 11, 2020, 12:57:42 AM
That was embarrassing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2020, 01:05:22 AM
That was embarrassing.
Yep.   Full team versus the Nets without Kyrie.  I knew something like this might happen but it is still disappointing to lose.  On the last two shots no less. One to take it into OT and one to win it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: ejamer on March 11, 2020, 07:28:00 AM
That was embarrassing.
Yep.   Full team versus the Nets without Kyrie.  I knew something like this might happen but it is still disappointing to lose.  On the last two shots no less. One to take it into OT and one to win it.

Kyrie being out might be a good thing for the Nets though? He's an incredible talent but seems to be a disruptive and problematic teammate. (Maybe that's just media spin, maybe not. There's too much smoke behind this particular fire to be ignored though.)

As we are closing in on the end of season, this kind of lackadaisical effort isn't shocking though. Lakers are 5.5 games up on the Clippers, with enough distanced from both Bucks/Raptors that they probably feel pretty comfortable about maintaining their playoff position.

Disappointing? Sure... but as long as they stay healthy at this point you shouldn't get too upset.

I've gone from a doubter prior to the season to a believer in the Lakers. The team composition isn't perfect, but is much better than I had expected it would be. Hard to imagine them losing 4 games to the same team.

I'm not nearly as bullish on the Clippers after watching them play a few game lately. I just don't like the way their offense flows, or the chemistry on that team right now. They still have enough superstar power to win, but more and more it looks like Kawhi leaving Toronto was a bad basketball decision.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2020, 08:32:22 AM
That was embarrassing.
Yep.   Full team versus the Nets without Kyrie.  I knew something like this might happen but it is still disappointing to lose.  On the last two shots no less. One to take it into OT and one to win it.

Kyrie being out might be a good thing for the Nets though? He's an incredible talent but seems to be a disruptive and problematic teammate. (Maybe that's just media spin, maybe not. There's too much smoke behind this particular fire to be ignored though.)

As we are closing in on the end of season, this kind of lackadaisical effort isn't shocking though. Lakers are 5.5 games up on the Clippers, with enough distanced from both Bucks/Raptors that they probably feel pretty comfortable about maintaining their playoff position.

Disappointing? Sure... but as long as they stay healthy at this point you shouldn't get too upset.

I've gone from a doubter prior to the season to a believer in the Lakers. The team composition isn't perfect, but is much better than I had expected it would be. Hard to imagine them losing 4 games to the same team.

I'm not nearly as bullish on the Clippers after watching them play a few game lately. I just don't like the way their offense flows, or the chemistry on that team right now. They still have enough superstar power to win, but more and more it looks like Kawhi leaving Toronto was a bad basketball decision.
This Nets team is a connudrum wrapped into an enigma.  There was some reports that KD and Kyrie didn't like their previous head coach and they figured that next season he wouldn't be able to coach KD,KI and DJ and they had the assistant who is actually had them playing better and the players trust.  There is also the fact since Kyrie has been out since mid January the same group for the most part that made a run to the playoffs last year and surprised people have that chemisty from last season that they brought to this season and are playing and beating tough teams or staying really close but losing. This team as constructed have very little blowout losses.

As to the Lakers tonight is that the Lakers played really well throughout the whole game so it wasn't a lackadaisacal effort thing on their part but it really came down to the Nets having more rebounds and more total free throws and a few earlier baskets not being made by the Lakers that would of made the game closer at the end of the game. Howard had a stomach bug so he wasn't able to help with rebounds or boxing out for others to get the rebounds and at the end of the game a few different shots not falling.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Kobe Bryant (1978-2020)
Post by: broodwars on March 11, 2020, 09:21:41 PM
Tonight's Jazz/Thunder game has been postponed at the last second due to Coronavirus Hysteria. The reasoning for this is that the Jazz's Gobert & Mudiay have recently fallen ill of an undiagnosed illness. In response, Rudy Gobert made it a point to put his hand on every mic the press were carrying.

I don't know how to respond to that last part. It transcends that line between being an asshole and being a dumbass.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/coronavirus-nba-postpones-utah-jazz-oklahoma-city-thunder-game-at-chesapeake-energy-arena/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/coronavirus-nba-postpones-utah-jazz-oklahoma-city-thunder-game-at-chesapeake-energy-arena/)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on March 11, 2020, 09:34:35 PM
The NBA has suspended the season.

Holy crap.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on March 11, 2020, 09:38:38 PM
The NBA has suspended the season.

Holy crap.

That seems like a slight overreaction without having a larger sample size of players tested, but wow...I didn't think they'd just DO that at the 1st sign of illness.

Also, a correction to my above post, but apparently Gobert has tested positive for Coronavirus, making his stunt with the microphones even more of an asshole thing to do.

*looks at the new topic name*

Yeah, I'll allow that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
Tonight's Jazz/Thunder game has been postponed at the last second due to Coronavirus Hysteria. The reasoning for this is that the Jazz's Gobert & Mudiay have recently fallen ill of an undiagnosed illness. In response, Rudy Gobert made it a point to put his hand on every mic the press were carrying.

I don't know how to respond to that last part. It transcends that line between being an asshole and being a dumbass.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/coronavirus-nba-postpones-utah-jazz-oklahoma-city-thunder-game-at-chesapeake-energy-arena/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/coronavirus-nba-postpones-utah-jazz-oklahoma-city-thunder-game-at-chesapeake-energy-arena/)

I just saw on SS&R that Gobert has tested positive for COVID-19 so that is going to be interesting for the Lakers upcoming matchups versus the Jazz. 

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2020/3/11/21171984/nba-lakers-play-empty-arenas-coronavirus-covid-19-lebron-james-staples-center-essential-staff   

Gobert also said he is feeling fine and healthy. There was also another sports figure Football(Soccer) player who was tested but didn't have symptoms of the virus so that is kinda interesting.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 11, 2020, 10:14:21 PM
So does this mean the Warriors final steak isn't broken yet!!!
And we still have a shot at #1 pick?

Although that's sucks for everyone who was about to get their shot at a finals appearance this year. MVP, finals MVP, etc etc.

But on a serious note. Gobert is an asshole. I hope they suspend him from the league for 2 seasons. If one of those reporters get sick and dies, he may have some legal exposure in that....
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 11, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
I know you are joking about the draft pick but in all likelihood no more games played until this is is resolved and I would guess the records would be frozen and still until the NBA restarts the season. The incoming draft picks will probably delay until this is resolved and when the NBA resumes play depending on when that is we could be looking at a "season" going the rest of this years and all of next years "season" so the 2020 draft can come in synch with the years past start of the season.  Another option is to fix this and then whenever these last 19 games and playoffs are over have the drafties come in and have the draft and have a shorter or longer season depending on when this is resolved.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on March 11, 2020, 10:44:43 PM
The closest comparable I can find to a suspension this late in a season would be when Major League Baseball suspended play after 9/11, but that was only for a week. (It still resulted in the World Series ending on November 4.) In that case, all the games were made up at the end of the regular season.

For the NBA, I doubt every team would lose the same number of games which would make it easy to just write them off. I suppose if they don't spend three weeks on first round playoff series and try to get games in every other night they could probably end around Father's Day as usual, but more likely the draft would be in early July and free agency would probably begin on the 15th or 22nd of July.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on March 11, 2020, 10:46:27 PM
The closest comparable I can find to a suspension this late in a season would be when Major League Baseball suspended play after 9/11, but that was only for a week. (It still resulted in the World Series ending on November 4.) In that case, all the games were made up at the end of the regular season.

For the NBA, I doubt every team would lose the same number of games which would make it easy to just write them off. I suppose if they don't spend three weeks on first round playoff series and try to get games in every other night they could probably end around Father's Day as usual, but more likely the draft would be in early July and free agency would probably begin on the 15th or 22nd of July.

IF play resumes this season, I could also definitely see an abbreviated playoffs with 5 game series ala the original rules for Round 1, maybe saving a 7 game series for the Finals. That would cut weeks off the playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2020, 02:21:25 AM
I have to take back my comment on Gobert. not an asshole. just your garden variety dumbass.

I found out that he previously made light of the Corona Virus in the media room a few days ago, and then as he was leaving the media table, decided to fake cough and then rub his hands all over all the media peoples equipment.
He was then tested afterwards, and found to be positive today before the game.
There's a chance he got it from stupidly joking around, or it's just ironic that he made light of it and then came down with it and shut the whole league down.

So. I take it back. not an asshole. just a dumbass. lol
Hopefully he never gets symptomatic and comes back full strength with the rest of the league.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 12, 2020, 04:48:20 AM
I have to take back my comment on Gobert. not an asshole. just your garden variety dumbass.

I found out that he previously made light of the Corona Virus in the media room a few days ago, and then as he was leaving the media table, decided to fake cough and then rub his hands all over all the media peoples equipment.
He was then tested afterwards, and found to be positive today before the game.
There's a chance he got it from stupidly joking around, or it's just ironic that he made light of it and then came down with it and shut the whole league down.

So. I take it back. not an asshole. just a dumbass. lol
Hopefully he never gets symptomatic and comes back full strength with the rest of the league.
I agree it wasn't smart to mess with the mics like that but what probably happened is that he had the virus before he touched the mics since the incubation period is 14 days so he won't really show many signs so readily after touching the mics at least not at first. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on March 12, 2020, 08:44:12 AM
The problem with a highly contagious virus like this is that many people will end up catching it. Those who travel often are especially at risk - how many airports has any given NBA player gone through recently? Interacting with fans, working out in different gyms and environments, dealing with all kinds of trainers and support staff on regular basis...

Gobert joking about COVID-19 was stupid, specifically because NBA players are at a relatively high risk of catching the virus - so there was a higher than average chance of his "joke" coming back to bite him (which it did). I won't crucify the guy for his actions, but it's certainly a bad look that he's (reportedly) the first one to be a confirmed case.


I'm bummed that the season is suspended. It's the smart move though. Very curious how long this will last and how they'll continue the season later though.

Surely the suspension will last for at least a full month before green flags are waved and things go back to normal - probably longer, given two-week incubation period followed by needing time to recover for those who do get sick? I wouldn't be surprised to see the league drop most remaining games - maybe give each team a few games after coming back to help players get back into rhythm and even out the number of games played, capping the season somewhere around/under 68-70 games before rolling into an abbreviated playoff series? Switching back to the old "best of 5" series for at least one round also makes sense, even though it's more upset friendly than the seven game slog we are used to seeing.

Stay healthy out there, ladies and gents. And don't lick any microphones.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2020, 09:55:28 AM
I remember seeing a post somewhere the other day with a vid of the lakers game where AD licked his hand, and then high fived Avery Bradley who then put his hand somewhere on his mouth, then went up to Lebron and have fived him

pre-post edit: https://twitter.com/i/status/1236772213002366977

Shutting the league down temporarily is the only safe play. Adam Silver made a great executive decision.
Players share contact with the ball, each other, and themselves by constantly touching their faces and clothes, or their faces to each others clothes. Transmission would become inevitable.

another pre-post edit: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/anthony-davis-licks-hand-immediately-high-fives-lebron-james-avery-bradley-during-lakers-win-over-clippers/
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on March 12, 2020, 11:00:50 AM
Thread title continues to be justified. Sayeth Woj: Donovan Mitchell has tested positive because Gobert was touching other players and their belongings. (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1238114778167599110)

Dude might be out of the league before this is all over.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on March 12, 2020, 11:11:06 AM
Thread title continues to be justified. Sayeth Woj: Donovan Mitchell has tested positive because Gobert was touching other players and their belongings. (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1238114778167599110)

Dude might be out of the league before this is all over.

And considering that the Jazz are my team, Gobert is allegedly team co-leader with Donovan, and Gobert is casting a negative public light on the NBA & the Jazz in particular... No, I'm going to continue calling him an asshole AND a dumbass. The SoB was feeling under the weather during the Raptors game, and yet he went out of his way to spread illness. Regardless of him not knowing he had Corobavirus, he still knew he had SOMETHING and spread it.

Speaking of, has the Raptors team been tested yet?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on March 12, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
Gotta go with a "stupid asshole" rating on Gobert here.  The disease is scaring people and coughing and rubbing your hands all over a bunch of microphones is immature and makes people uncomfortable at best.  That's an asshole move.  The "stupid" part is just the fact that now he has egg on his face for actually having it and possibly spread it.

The Lakers clip is also really irresponsible.  But, I will say that players are bound to spread it to each other anyway.  Gobert put media people (and their families) at risk.

I appreciate Silver's decisiveness on this issue by suspending the league right away.  Last thing we need is this spreading through the NBA.  Kudos to him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2020, 11:41:56 AM
More info comes to light, and now I have to retract my retraction.

Dumbassholery is the appropriate phrasing here.
League suspension for remainder of whatever is salvaged of this season, a hefty fine, and a large number of games suspension into next season might be price for Gobert to pay here.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on March 12, 2020, 11:50:07 AM
People need to chill out just a bit. The virus will spread regardless; by the time this happened, COVID-19 has already been spreading rapidly across the US and many other countries. Changing behavior will slow transmission but not stop it. Jazz players blaming Gobert for being careless in the locker room aren't wrong to do so, but it would be very hard to prove that they didn't catch it from other sources (including, possibly, whatever source first spread the virus to Gobert).

Being afraid isn't going to help; people should stay calm and rational. Note that I'm not trying to excuse people for acting stupidly, or making bad jokes out in public about a unfortunate and serious situation... But flying to extreme conclusions (out of the league? really?) is also a bit foolish. A fine and public apology so he serves as a warning for others is probably much more appropriate.

Suspending the league while the pandemic passes was always a likely outcome, maybe the most likely, even though I didn't want to admit that to myself until it actually happened. The odds of nobody in the league coming down with COVID-19 seemed pretty slim from the beginning, and as soon as anyone does have it there isn't much else you can do as a reasonable response (unless you want to just accept that everyone will be exposed to it).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2020, 12:14:18 PM
purposely spreading an infectious disease, especially one that has the potential to possibly kill you and/or the person you passed it to, should come with a consequence.

Since Gobert was the dumbass doing it purposely in public, and then to his teammates in jest as a way to mock the seriousness of this, even if he didn't know he had it at the time, needs to be made an example of.

I'm not expecting a life ban from the NBA, but suspension for the remainder of the season, if it continues, a hefty fine (he can afford it), and then # of games suspension leading into the next season doesn't sound unreasonable for the person that in hindsight really made a ass of himself on live TV and put his whole team (and their close friends and family) at risk.

We'll never know if he was the source, but since he got caught in the spotlight, blame falls on him.
You know what they say: Play Stupid Games.... Get Stupid Prizes!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on March 12, 2020, 12:42:38 PM
purposely spreading an infectious disease, especially one that has the potential to possibly kill you and/or the person you passed it to, should come with a consequence.

He didn't spread the disease on purpose, he did so unknowingly.  He should have been generally cautious, but not a total asshole like he was.  I think a fine and public apology to the league, media, and fans is more than enough punishment.  Everyone is missing games right now.

Should AD get suspending for licking his hands before a high-five? What about other players joking around the locker rooms?  Gobert should be fined for his generally lack of professionalism in that situation, but not suspended for spreading the disease.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 12, 2020, 01:03:28 PM
from what was said, Gobert was sick previously (under the weather with something), then joked around about Covid19, did all he could to jokingly spread a disease he only joked about, we then find out he had it, and now it comes out a teammate of his also has it likely due to the antics of Gobert pretending to spread his germs to reporters and teammates.

Even if it wasn't this new virus, and was just a common cold or flu, it's still a foolish assholish thing to do. And the fact that he made light of it and did in public should, then turned out to have possibly spread it in the process should have consequences. If anyone can reasonably connect contact with Gobert during said antics, that led to them possibly contracting and then unknowingly spreading the virus to a vulnerable loved one at home, and that vulnerable loved one dies because of said disease, Gobert could possibly have some legal liability there. (I'm not a lawyer, but I live in Cali... people are sue happy out here.)

maybe suspension into next season is a bit much, but definitely a fine and suspension for some games this season, and then to be the spokes person for some NBA outreach regarding personal hygiene and minimizing risk of spreading dirty germs everywhere.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on March 12, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
What's funny to me is that amidst all this, there's actually been a mild amount of drama surrounding Gobert behind the scenes. Despite having a generally bad year all things considered (especially the last few months), Gobert's been pushing the Jazz to give him a Supermax extension to his contract given his 2 time DPotY awards & All Star status, something the Jazz absolutely cannot give him right now (especially since it looks like all the offseason moves except Bogey were a total bust). Until this pandemic started, his contract gripes were largely considered a contributing factor to his less-than-stellar play of late.

I don't think his actions over the past few days are going to help that situation.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 12, 2020, 03:25:56 PM
Thread title continues to be justified. Sayeth Woj: Donovan Mitchell has tested positive because Gobert was touching other players and their belongings. (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1238114778167599110)

Dude might be out of the league before this is all over.

And considering that the Jazz are my team, Gobert is allegedly team co-leader with Donovan, and Gobert is casting a negative public light on the NBA & the Jazz in particular... No, I'm going to continue calling him an asshole AND a dumbass. The SoB was feeling under the weather during the Raptors game, and yet he went out of his way to spread illness. Regardless of him not knowing he had Corobavirus, he still knew he had SOMETHING and spread it.

Speaking of, has the Raptors team been tested yet?

In regards to the Raptors I did see that they were going to get tested while they self quarantine.  It very well of could of been the Raptors that had it first but that really doesn't matter. What matters is that people on different organizations self quarantine and get tested.   

https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/3/12/21176597/toronto-raptors-coronavirus-self-quarantine-nba-suspended
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on March 12, 2020, 04:17:09 PM
I think Soren retweeted something showing how every team in the league can be traced back to the Jazz in the two weeks prior to Wednesday (either playing them, or playing an opponent who might have transmitted it).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on March 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
So I just thought of something amusing.

In 1994 MLB cancelled the World Series due to a strike.  The defending champions were the Toronto Blue Jays.

Here the NBA season has been suspended and we're not sure what's going to happen with the playoffs.  The defending champions?  The TORONTO Raptors.

Curse of Toronto!!?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on March 12, 2020, 06:50:03 PM
So I just thought of something amusing.

In 1994 MLB cancelled the World Series due to a strike.  The defending champions were the Toronto Blue Jays.

Here the NBA season has been suspended and we're not sure what's going to happen with the playoffs.  The defending champions?  The TORONTO Raptors.

Curse of Toronto!!?

It seems we have only one recourse!  ;)


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_CNfe0VUsA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_CNfe0VUsA)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on March 14, 2020, 09:39:36 AM

In regards to the Raptors I did see that they were going to get tested while they self quarantine.  It very well of could of been the Raptors that had it first but that really doesn't matter. What matters is that people on different organizations self quarantine and get tested.   

https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/3/12/21176597/toronto-raptors-coronavirus-self-quarantine-nba-suspended

Raptors tests come back almost entirely negative (https://www.tsn.ca/toronto-raptors-test-negative-after-playing-rudy-gobert-utah-jazz-1.1457246), but will continue to quarantine.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on March 23, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
Is anyone watching old re-runs of games?  It's not nearly as much fun as cheering for (and sometimes complaining about) current teams, but options are limited. Thinking about going through the playoffs from last year again - would be nice to follow Portland maybe and see their games since they are always way too late at night in my timezone.

Even though I would only watch a game or two per week, I really miss it now that they aren't happening.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 23, 2020, 01:39:18 PM
Is anyone watching old re-runs of games?  It's not nearly as much fun as cheering for (and sometimes complaining about) current teams, but options are limited. Thinking about going through the playoffs from last year again - would be nice to follow Portland maybe and see their games since they are always way too late at night in my timezone.

Even though I would only watch a game or two per week, I really miss it now that they aren't happening.

I do know League pass is free until the NBA comes back.  It might be something to watch.

https://www.nba.com/nba-fan-letter-league-pass-free-preview

I haven't been watching many reruns but on SS&R are simming the final games of this season for the Lakers and also talking about past Lakers players who should be appreciated.  I kinda want to go and watch the Lakeshow team. The Lakers team in between Showtime and Shaq and Kobe era.  It kinda felt like the more recent Lakers rebuild teams with D'lo, Randle and Clarkson era before LeBron arrived in LA.  As for a Suns team perhaps the SSOL era with Nash.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2020, 10:16:02 PM
And the Clippers are moving to INGLEWOOD.... eventually.

Ballmer bought the Forum for $400B
https://deadline.com/2020/03/los-angeles-clippers-owner-buys-the-forum-building-new-arena-steve-ballmer-1202891728/

Clippers will finally have a place to hang their... um, well, when they finally get a banner, they will have a place to hang it!!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 24, 2020, 11:21:05 PM
And the Clippers are moving to INGLEWOOD.... eventually.

Ballmer bought the Forum for $400B
https://deadline.com/2020/03/los-angeles-clippers-owner-buys-the-forum-building-new-arena-steve-ballmer-1202891728/

Clippers will finally have a place to hang their... um, well, when they finally get a banner, they will have a place to hang it!!!!

Well they are still in the shadow of the Lakers.  They should of used all that money to build their own arena and not take over the Lakers old stomping grounds.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 24, 2020, 11:49:05 PM
They are building a new arena, but they had to buy the Forum to settle a lawsuit that was preventing them from ever breaking ground on the New Arena..... if I remember the details correctly.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 01, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
Well it has been 3 weeks since the NBA has shut down and the carriers of the first few cases of COVID-19 Rudy Gobert and Donovin Mitchell was been cleared.  Also while two Lakers have tested positive back on the 20th of March and will likely need to be tested again come the 4th or 5th everyone else on the team has been cleared. 


In other news if the NBA would start again they are looking to see if they can find a neutral city where they could have the playoffs once everyone is cleared like Las Vegas.  I mean it makes sense as the NBA already has links to Vegas with Summer League and there is lots of hotels and arenas there where players can stay play.  Here is a list of arenas which might be possible to play at in Vegas.   https://www.vegasmeansbusiness.com/meeting-facilities/sports-facilities/?skip=0&sort=qualityScore&subcatids=503 

So looking at that list there is the T-Mobile Arena, UNLV and the UNLV Thomas and Mac Center to host the playoffs. Of course in all likelihood there won't be fans there so the capacity don't make much difference but those 3 could be options.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 01, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
That'd be pretty awesome. So the plan is to jump straight into the playoffs?

Good time to switch to the Top 16 for a test run.

I bet this will be the HIGHEST RATED anything, and something to brag appropriately in these crazy times.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 01, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
That'd be pretty awesome. So the plan is to jump straight into the playoffs?

Good time to switch to the Top 16 for a test run.

I bet this will be the HIGHEST RATED anything, and something to brag appropriately in these crazy times.

I haven't heard anything on jumping straight to the playoffs but I do know the Phoenix Suns plans to play at the "Madhouse at McDowell" while the Talking Stick Resort Arena is being renovated so in all likelihood the NBA would finish the season out now if that is with the remaining games up to today or whenever the season starts again or with the remaining 17-18 games from when things were suspended.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on April 01, 2020, 12:05:17 PM
Having all teams in one location, with maybe a couple of venues active so that they could play an abbreviated, maybe almost college-like playoffs could be really exciting.

I hope they don't jump right in though. The play would be sloppy to start, and I'm really worried that conditioning issues would lead to injuries and/or problems. That said, any basketball would be good basketball at this point - even if filled with sloppy and lazy play.


Anyone planning to watch the 2K tournament coming up this week? My team doesn't have a representative, but it still might be interesting. Depends on how much trash talk is allowed through. It would be kind of awesome to have commentators instead of keeping the players on mic all game though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 01, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
Having all teams in one location, with maybe a couple of venues active so that they could play an abbreviated, maybe almost college-like playoffs could be really exciting.

I hope they don't jump right in though. The play would be sloppy to start, and I'm really worried that conditioning issues would lead to injuries and/or problems. That said, any basketball would be good basketball at this point - even if filled with sloppy and lazy play.


Anyone planning to watch the 2K tournament coming up this week? My team doesn't have a representative, but it still might be interesting. Depends on how much trash talk is allowed through. It would be kind of awesome to have commentators instead of keeping the players on mic all game though.

As far as jumping in right away I would imagine there would be an   league wide testing protocal to make sure every team is cleared.  Then an abbrevated training camp of maybe 2 to 4 weeks to get back to where everyone was. Then finish the regular season and then have the playoffs in one city. 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on April 01, 2020, 01:03:44 PM
I think they should play like 5 games before playoffs, if they can.  That gives player a chance to get the rust off.

I'm thinking they could prioritize the games remaining with the most playoff implications, then draft lottery implications, and finally just whatever gets everyone five games to play (or 70 games played total).  I know 5 games wouldn't cause a lot of movement, even in "best case" scenarios, but it could cause a little in some seeds, which could build a little excitement.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 04, 2020, 01:46:32 PM
Well the 2020 Hall of Fame inductees have been announced.

Kobe Bryant, Tamika Catchings, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett from the players side.
Rudy Tomjanovich, Eddie Sutton, Barbara Stevens and Kim Mulkey from the coaches side.
Finally Patrick Baumann as an executive.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 06, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
More NBA Action..... however we can get it. LOL

(https://i.imgur.com/N6ZbtFJ.png)

I hope it's live so they can't do "takes".
Curry better be involved too.
I wonder if they'll be selecting team reps, or maybe multiple people per team, or just certain players on that "all-star"/"rising star" list to participate?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on April 06, 2020, 01:29:14 PM
Gotta be just whoever they can get with the appropriate star power.  I can't see the NBA trying to make this a team thing when they're probably struggling just to get something going.

Good NBA HoF class, but now I'm sad about Kobe again.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 12, 2020, 01:42:23 AM
Well the 2K Players tourney just wrapped up and two Suns players were in the finals. Ayton and Booker.

Booker beat Ayton in an entertaining finals.


For BnM and others... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYZqAVr-QX4
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 17, 2020, 05:01:01 PM
Well the 15th of April was the last day of the regular season and I was going to go and see the Lakers face the Suns but that was before everything got shut down.  I guess there is always next season...  I wonder how long this will last.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 17, 2020, 05:15:45 PM
But yeah in other news the NBA and players Association has agreeed to withhold pay starting on May 15th.

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2020/4/17/21225674/sacramento-kings-nba-news-player-paychecks-withhold-25-percent-force-majeure 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 17, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
except for those clients of Rich Paul, from what I heard. They get paid, regardless. it's in the contract.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on April 17, 2020, 11:39:11 PM
Well the 15th of April was the last day of the regular season and I was going to go and see the Lakers beat the Suns
FTFY
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 17, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
Well the 15th of April was the last day of the regular season and I was going to go and see the Lakers beat the Suns
FTFY
Pretty much.  I wanted to see how the new look Lakers from all the buyout additions were going to look as a team.  I wanted to see if the Suns were even close to a playoff spot.  Things would of been interesting if things were so that the Suns needed to win versus the Lakers to make it into the playoffs. The atmosphere would of been nice. Ah well...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on April 24, 2020, 01:06:32 PM
Are people watching the new Jordan documentary?
It's fun.  Reminds me of being back in junior high, when we got to watch some of the old Jordan documentaries during class time.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2020, 08:48:05 PM
05/13/2004 - Never forget.

For BNM (https://youtu.be/YjEIsh5pYbE)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on May 13, 2020, 11:24:49 PM
He's an impressively underrated player.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 13, 2020, 11:33:02 PM
Fisher was a key piece to the Kobe and Shaq Lakers.  To think he was drafted the same year as Kobe.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on May 22, 2020, 12:56:32 PM
Legendary Jazz coach Jerry Sloan died today at the age of 78.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/05/22/jerry-sloan-dies-nba-coach-utah-jazz-chicago-bulls/1767797001/

The guy was one of my role models growing up, and you will rarely find anyone who worked as hard as he & his squads did, and in a considerably rougher league than we have today. He deserved better than this. He deserved better than to be chased out if the league by Deron Williams. He deserved better than to be colloquially considered a "lesser coach" for having never won a championship.

He deserved better than to die the same week as that fucking Jordan documentary reached the Jazz-Bulls finals.

Edit: The Jazz organization have posted a short tribute video. I wouldn't be surprised if they finally commissioned that statue of him to go along with the Stockton & Malone ones in front of the stadium, too. Sloan was always reluctant to have one made.


BMM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cIOAmTddQs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cIOAmTddQs)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Soren on May 26, 2020, 11:35:18 AM
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/05/26/damian-lillard-i-wont-play-if-trail-blazers-have-no-shot-at-playoffs/

Dame pretty much lays it out there and I agree with him. Right now the only team mathematically eliminated is the Warriors (LOL) but if you can't guarantee a full end of the season why would you put yourself at risk just to play out a fraction of the games left. And that's before you factor in a significantly reduced off-season.

If (big if) the NBA resumes they really should go straight to playoffs.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/_Andrew_Lopez/status/1265302104379457536?s=20

Pelicans feels the same way.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2020, 12:11:35 PM
It seems like the NBA should do something along the line of what the NHL's doing, with an expanded playoff field and a round robin setup for seeding to get the teams back in form beforehand.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2020, 12:59:25 PM
if you can't guarantee a full end of the season why would you put yourself at risk just to play out a fraction of the games left.
At risk for Coronavirus or injury?

Lillard said he would be with the team but not actually play. I get it and wouldn’t want to play either. I probably would though. If none of this happened and this was a normal season, I imagine Lillard would still play those final games if the Blazers were eliminated from playoff contention even with a minutes restriction. A potentially shortened offseason complicates things. There’s talk of postponing next season to December.

Semi-related: Some analysts are in favor of just scrapping the season because the champion will always have an asterisk next to it. Yes and no. There’s an asterisk for sure, nothing like this has ever happened before, but the championship counts. Each team has already played more than 3/4 of the full schedule.

Shaq brought up the 1999 lockout shortened season. First, Shaq is just bitter he got swept by the Spurs. If the Lakers won that year, he would say it totally counts. Second, if anything, I imagine it’s harder to be off for three months in the middle of the season and come back to play in front of no fans. I think they should try to get to at least 70 games. The playoffs are going to be a shitshow if teams don’t get some run in first.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on May 26, 2020, 02:54:54 PM
Scrapping the season for the NBA or NHL would suck because there was enough of a season that teams and fans for the best teams would have been thinking "This is our year!  We've got the right personnel and everything is gelling and we might never have everything come together like this again."  The 1994 Montreal Expos had the best season prior to the World Series being cancelled.  It remains the ultimate "what if" team and arguably started a domino effect that ended with them moving to Washington.  They looked like favourites and were not able to duplicate that success after that.  Do we really want more stories like that if we can avoid it?  Winning the championship in the COVID 19 season still seems better than being the best team all year and then not getting a chance at the championship.

Funny that Shaq brings up 1999.  Oh yeah I guess the damn Spurs, that would win five titles through Tim Duncan's career, were some lucky fluke team that sullies the record books, as opposed to an organization that clearly knew what they were doing winning a title.  Like if it was some one season wonder, I get it, but it ended up being a team that contended and won titles for years afterwards.  No asterisk needed.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Soren on May 26, 2020, 04:45:05 PM
It seems like the NBA should do something along the line of what the NHL's doing, with an expanded playoff field and a round robin setup for seeding to get the teams back in form beforehand.

From a complete outsider perspective nothing that the US has done in terms of prevention/testing would lead me to believe y'all are ready for resumption of sports, even without fans. NASCAR already started up, MMA has as well. I don't understand why anyone would want half a dozen travelling circuses across the nation in the middle of a pandemic.

NHL just announced a plan for resumption of play. MLB has been at this for weeks now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2020, 04:49:45 PM
Not sure about the other leagues, but i think the rumor going around is the NBA is planning to play the rest of the season exclusively at Disney World. Florida gonna Florida, but at least there’s no traveling.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 26, 2020, 04:56:44 PM
MLS is also looking at playing at Disney, and the NHL's plan involves two hub cities, one for each conference. The only American league that's planning on any travel anytime soon is baseball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on May 26, 2020, 06:15:08 PM
As an old wrestling fan, the NBA playing at Disney World reminds me of the WCW Disney tapings and thus amuses me.

NASCAR, and auto-racing in general, is unique in that the participants do not have to make any physical contact with each other.  If I can maintain social distancing at the drive-thru then you can do it racing cars.  You can't possibly play basketball safely even with no travel or fans.  If someone gets infected then you have to test everyone and possibly halt play if a whole team is infected.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 29, 2020, 04:22:03 PM
Well a new rumor has popped up stating that the NBA is expected to return on July 31st. So about two months away.  How that will go seems to be leading into this direction. Most GMs want the season to end by October 1st.GMs want a larger roster to provide flexablity for their teams. Assuming to combat injuries/ players needing to be quarenteed. 53 percent voted for tradtional playoff seedings while 47 percent wanted reseeding. 53% said they want to go straight to the playoffs while 27% wanted abreviated season with play in option. 60% said 72 game season to reach the 70 game thresh hold for TV deals.  83% said they wanted a playoff plus option of 20 or more teams in the playoffs. Finally non playoff teams are split on resuming the season.


Edit: New update today there is 4 potential formats for the return of the season. 
Here they are...   

16 Teams. This format would jump directly into the postseason by locking the current standings into place. Doing so would minimize the risk of spreading infection by limiting the number of teams in the bubble, but would exclude a number of teams in the Western Conference that had a legitimate chance to reach the playoffs before the coronavirus shut down the season.


20 Teams. If the league brings four extra teams to Disney, it would likely be to hold a World Cup-style group stage. This format would see five groups based on regular-season records open the playoffs. Each team would play each other twice, with either the top two teams advancing to the final eight or the top four doing so with a second group stage. The four non-playoff teams to be invited, in all likelihood, would be the four teams on the Western Conference bubble: the New Orleans Pelicans, Portland Trail Blazers, Sacramento Kings and San Antonio Spurs.


22 Teams. Bringing six extra teams to Orlando would open the door for a play-in tournament. According to ESPN's Ramona Shelburne, the style being discussed would include all teams within six games of a playoff spot. That would be the Pelicans, Blazers, Kings, Spurs, Phoenix Suns and Washington Wizards. If the two No. 8 seeds in each conference (the Memphis Grizzlies and Orlando Magic) were included as well, the NBA could build a simple eight-team bracket with either a single-elimination format or short series. Charania discusses a potentially different 22-team format that would feature regular-season games leading into a play-in tournament, as well as games to determine playoff seeding. According to The Ringer's Kevin O'Connor, this shortened regular season would likely include eight games per team.


30 Teams. If the NBA brought the entire league to Orlando, Charania indicates that it would mean holding a 72-game regular season (approximately 7-10 extra games per team) before holding a play-in tournament. The advantage of doing this would be getting each team beyond 70 games, as that is a critical marker in local television deals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2020, 01:38:59 AM
So, I think I'm personally against the idea of bringing back all 30 teams.  It's dangerous (increases risk of infection), could jeopardize the plans (risk of outbreak), and requires more people to be locked in Disney's Wild World of Sports, away from their families.  Now, I understand the teams wanting TV contracts to be satisfied, but the teams that are more games behind an 8 seed than they'll play are playing (and risking their lives) for nothing.

I don't like going straight to the playoffs either, since a lot of players have been out of practice and the playing could be not up to par, but the players wouldn't have a real reason to play other than scrimmaging.  But there's also teams that are close to the playoffs losing their chance.  So, I think some games are necessary.  That said, I think it's weird that the NBA keeps wanting to do things that soccer leagues do.  So, I guess I'm against group play for that sole reason.

I do wonder how you create stakes for the players and tension for the audience.  Like, you want LeBron to not limit his minutes, but why wouldn't he if his playoff standing isn't in danger?  He's also not playing for home court advantage, so the only incentive is to play the "worst" team in the first round.

It's a tough problem once you decide to go outside the teams already in the playoffs.

Meanwhile, the NHL came out with a plan that could equally work for the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2020, 09:00:16 AM
I don't like going straight into the playoffs, either, because it rewards teams who had easy schedules in the 1st half of the season, who now wouldn't have to play the difficult games that would affect playoff seeding. Likewise, teams that had rough 1st halves of the season wouldn't have an opportunity to make up lost ground.

If the season is to resume, it should have to play out the entirety of the regular season and then the playoffs. Next season can be tailored to be shorter to make up for all the lost time, but at least all the teams would be on level ground.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2020, 06:18:16 PM
I don't think they're gonna try to squeeze in the entire rest of the season.  That just seems like asking/hoping for too much.  Plus, that would put teams with players returning from injury thanks to the extra time at a slight advantage.  No matter what you do, somebody gets screwed.  Roughly 75% of the season has been played, I think that's enough to say who had a realistic shot and who didn't.  Allowing a few extra teams to play in seems like the best move.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Sounds like a good time for a Top 20 Tournament for Playoff Seeding, then pick up Playoffs from there.
East West Mix and Match since travel will not be a concern.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2020, 09:36:08 PM
It is looking like the 20 and 22 team format is likely going to be the more popular options heading into the meeting on Thursday. If it is the 20 team format the Suns are out of the playoffs and if it is the 22 team format they are in. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2020, 10:40:05 PM
22 teams works for me.

As long as it's a Top 16 seeding going into the playoffs and not a Top 8 two conference thing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on May 30, 2020, 10:56:37 PM
From what I've seen, they were still gonna stick with conferences, but that could change.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on May 31, 2020, 11:44:22 AM
No solution is perfect - but at this point, I'm just happy they are trying to offer any kind of playoff scenario.

I like the idea of a top 16 seeding (no conferences). Probably doesn't make a huge difference, but since travel and location doesn't matter, why not drop the conferences? It also looked like there would be some interesting matchups that would never be seen normally.

I'm ok with the idea of just taking the teams that currently qualify; there are some on the outside looking in who will be disappointed... but if a play-in situation ousts a team who would currently qualify that just means a different fan-base is the one being disappointed, so I'm not sure how much it matters in the big scheme.

Hopefully there will be a few games for teams to get their legs back before actual playoffs start... although even if that doesn't happen, teams will at least be on (mostly) even footing. The first round could be pretty rough as players chip off the rust though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on June 03, 2020, 03:01:58 PM
Looks like the proposal is the 22-teamer. (https://www.tsn.ca/report-nba-return-to-play-plan-includes-8-regular-season-games-1.1482689)

Any team within 6 games of a playoff spot - 13 West, 9 East - will play out 8 games in Orlando, then the standard playoffs would follow (in the same site). If the 8 and 9 finish within four games of each other at the end of the season, there'd be a best-of-3 play-in series. Non-bubble teams would be playing for seeding.

Playoffs would start in August and the finals would be in October.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2020, 05:31:36 PM
And when would the next season start?

gonna be LOTS of back to backs next season. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Shaymin on June 03, 2020, 06:05:22 PM
We'd probably get a season that looked like the 2011-12 lockout year: 66 games, starts at Christmas.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on June 03, 2020, 07:15:13 PM
We'd probably get a season that looked like the 2011-12 lockout year: 66 games, starts at Christmas.

Sounds right, although maybe they'll toy with the idea of permanent changes to the NBA season start/end dates?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 03, 2020, 07:49:48 PM
I can't see them doing that, at least to that effect, without changing the number of games, which may be difficult to do with the current TV contracts.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2020, 08:46:00 PM
Even before the pandemic, the league has entertained moving the start of the season back to December for a while now. I believe this is partially so it doesn’t have as much overlap scheduling with the NFL. This would be as good a time as any to experiment with that. The NBA and NFL seasons would only compete for like one to two months, and it’s the worst basketball of the season as teams develop chemistry and work through off-season rust.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 03, 2020, 11:49:30 PM
From my understanding each team will play their next 8 games in the schedule before everything was postponed and then have a play in tourney.  The 8 games is to get back in some semblience of shape and readiness. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2020, 08:15:44 AM
Unfortunately, now that the season is back, the Jazz are likely to get annihilated because one of our most important players, Bojan Bogdanovic, went in for wrist surgery a few weeks ago and so is out for whatever remains of the season & playoffs. Without his 3 point shooting, I just don't see us beating most of these regular season games or getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs.

This was supposed to be our year.  :(
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2020, 11:00:51 AM
This was supposed to be our year.  :(
Was it though?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
This was supposed to be our year.  :(
Was it though?

It is what the front office promised. They spent deep into the luxury tax & blew all their draft picks and a good chunk of the existing team's depth and chemistry to put together a team that could win a championship. They brought back the Jazz retro uniforms & logo from the 90s Finals runs. They cashed in every possible chip & failed.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 04, 2020, 02:24:12 PM
Even before the pandemic, the league has entertained moving the start of the season back to December for a while now. I believe this is partially so it doesn’t have as much overlap scheduling with the NFL. This would be as good a time as any to experiment with that. The NBA and NFL seasons would only compete for like one to two months, and it’s the worst basketball of the season as teams develop chemistry and work through off-season rust.

This is a good point and has been coming up since the lock out season.  I actually preferred the later start with fewer games.  The next season is likely to be delayed anyway, so having a later start is probably a given.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 08, 2020, 08:56:12 PM
Well here is the timeline of dates for the rest of the season, playoffs and offseason. 




June 15 - International players return to markets.

June 21 - All players report.

June 22 - Coronavirus testing begins.

June 30 - Training camps open.

July 7 - Teams travel to Orlando.

July 9-11 - Training camps resume in Orlando.

July 31 - 2019-20 NBA season resumes.

August 25 - NBA Draft Lottery.

October 12 - Latest possible date for NBA Finals Game 7.

October 15 - NBA Draft

October 18 - Free agency begins.

November 10 - Target for opening day for 2020-21 season training camps.

December 1 - Target for 2020-21 season opening night.


Oh some other news is that players are trying to get two way players to be included on the roster.  I would imagine as an insurance policy for the bench and to get some play time to evaluate the two way players during the last 8 games of the regular season.   

Oh also speaking of those 8 regular season games then it is likely going to have a play in tourney for the 8th seed in each conference.    The Suns are on the outside looking in 6 games back of the 8th seed.  They have to go 7-1 and have 3 more wins than the Trailblazers, Pelicans, Kings and Spurs as well as 2 games up on the Grizzlies.   Going to be interesting last 8 games for the Suns.  These last 8 games are going to have a playoff atmosphere for them because of the urgency.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2020, 12:22:25 AM
I need to see this....

(https://i.imgur.com/kL4h4Lc.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 09, 2020, 07:23:56 PM
Don't let the NBA get a hold of this.  They're doing the rest of the season at Disney World, and Disney is not one to scoff at a marketing opportunity.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
Don't let the NBA get a hold of this.  They're doing the rest of the season at Disney World, and Disney is not one to scoff at a marketing opportunity.

If Disney does do this, I hope the seats are packed with Winnie the Pooh stuffed animals.
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Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2020, 08:16:22 PM
If Disney does do this, I hope the seats are packed with Winnie the Pooh stuffed animals.
Is that a dig at Chinese President Xi Jinping?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2020, 08:25:31 PM
If Disney does do this, I hope the seats are packed with Winnie the Pooh stuffed animals.
Is that a dig at Chinese President Xi Jinping?

You bet it is. I was reminded of it because there was a Pooh stuffed animal in that Korean baseball picture.

Hey, if I was told I bore a remarkable resemblance to one of the most beloved characters in the history of fiction, I'd embrace it. But it bugs the dictator, so I'm happy to pour the salt on that wound.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2020, 03:36:38 AM
Don't let the NBA get a hold of this.  They're doing the rest of the season at Disney World, and Disney is not one to scoff at a marketing opportunity.

If Disney does do this, I hope the seats are packed with Winnie the Pooh stuffed animals.

As much as I would live to **** with just one person, I'm gonna need more diversity than that in the background.
And since this is Disney, I'm also expecting full animatronic robots at the announcers booth with the announcers actually doing commentary remotely from a booth somewhere.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2020, 02:12:11 PM
Ok, hear me out, what if Disney used their animatronic presidents?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 11, 2020, 02:43:18 PM
I think we may be onto something here.....

but if we can really bring some real tech into play here....
if they could do some stuffed animals (or real dolls) or whatever in the actual audience so it doesn't look so empty for the players, but then give us at home some 3D Mapped CG animated audience in the background, we could be going places with this.

It could be like Real life NBA 2k meets Space Jam, but from Disney (since I don't think Disney has anything to do with Space Jam... WB property). People will tune in for NBA action, but they may stick around to see Mickey Mouse trying to squeeze past Wreck it Ralph to get to the bathroom, and countless other interactions from endless cameos all in the background, intermissions, and halftime shows. Could be pretty entertaining if not asking too much in too short of a time frame.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on June 11, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
Part of what sets the atmosphere for a live sporting event is the sound of the crowd.  They go bonkers when the home team does well and tend to get uncomfortably quiet when they don't.  You can put dolls in the stands but it still won't sound right.

I wonder if you could do something where people watching from a livestream could have their voice picked up on mic.  Obviously you have to mix each individual down really low so it isn't like an online meeting with people shouting over each other but it could simulate the noise of a crowd and would react in time with what's happening in the game.  I suppose there could be a problem with people shouting rude things or playing music or something but you could have people monitoring it and cut off problem fans.  Also the idea here is to get 15,000 people's voices recorded at once, mixing together to sound like a crowd.  Doing that an individual's voice would get drowned out, you'll just get the general roars of the crowd.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 11, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
I think we may be onto something here.....

but if we can really bring some real tech into play here....
if they could do some stuffed animals (or real dolls) or whatever in the actual audience so it doesn't look so empty for the players, but then give us at home some 3D Mapped CG animated audience in the background, we could be going places with this.

It could be like Real life NBA 2k meets Space Jam, but from Disney (since I don't think Disney has anything to do with Space Jam... WB property). People will tune in for NBA action, but they may stick around to see Mickey Mouse trying to squeeze past Wreck it Ralph to get to the bathroom, and countless other interactions from endless cameos all in the background, intermissions, and halftime shows. Could be pretty entertaining if not asking too much in too short of a time frame.

Basically House of Mouse just with the NBA as the attraction. Not a bad idea.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 12, 2020, 07:49:53 PM
So, the players are upset that their voices weren't heard when the NBA made plans to restart the season. (https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-significant-number-of-players-disappointed-about-not-having-a-vote-regarding-nb-as-return-143937552.html)

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[ B ]ecause of the George Floyd tragedy and the powerful movement for racial justice that’s sweeping the nation, some players believe it’s bad optics for a league comprised predominantly of black men to be sequestered in one location for up to three months merely to entertain the masses and ease the league’s economic burden.

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Kyrie Irving has organized a call with players for Friday night to discuss their positions regarding the season’s restart, ... [ and ] ... is of the position that players should consider not playing in light of the uproar over racial injustice and the unknowns of COVID-19.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 12, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
The NHL, which is a league comprised predominantly of not black men, is doing something very similar, so I don't think the optics are as bad as they're making them out to be. Don't get me wrong, I'm very in favor of the Black Lives Matter movement and what they're fighting for, but drawing a line between that and this is pretty tenuous.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 12, 2020, 11:28:31 PM
The NHL doing the same is a pretty good argument.  NASCAR is also having races, to my understanding, without fans.  But the NBA's decision is coming in the middle of the current movement, and a lot of NBA players, having been vocal in the past, are going to feel odd about decided to go play basketball during this time.  Further, the NBA has a bit more visibility than NHL and NASCAR, at least in certain communities.  So, it may not be the messaging as a whole, but it could mean a lot to the athletes' core fans.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2020, 01:03:39 PM
They don't want to draw away the focus and attention of the BLM/Police Reform movement by distracting the masses with America's New Favorite pasttime - Basketball.

Instead of being organized out in the streets demanding change, the masses will be huddled back around TV's watching NBA games.
Instead of visible and vocal players using their platform to help organize and lead, they will be sequestered away training for and playing basketball for the next 2 months.

This is a very important time for this movement, as actual things are already in motion that will hopefully make real and lasting change. We do not want to change the subject or provide distractions from the task at hand. We all want our NBA back, but considering the league is 85% black, I'm sure this issue is far more important to the majority of players, considering they still got plenty of money to ride it out till next season starts. I know there were a few teams that were championship hopeful, and they may want their shot at the top, but I'm sure they would never vocalize that desire of the current issues in the streets and the desire world wide for change.

and even thought they plan to isolate and test everyone, it must be noted that the virus is on the rise in all the early open states such as FL, as they never properly closed down to begin with, and nationwide testing efforts never actually happened in any organized and mandatory way to properly utilize the shut down SIP period.
I'm sure many of them would rather "stay home" with family and friends, than to risk it all so the league can get it's ratings.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2020, 04:45:04 PM
They don't want to draw away the focus and attention of the BLM/Police Reform movement by distracting the masses with America's New Favorite pasttime - Basketball.
They can do both. Colin Kaepernick peacefully protested by kneeling during the national anthem. The Heat came out with their hoods up after the murder of Trayvon Martin. The Lakers wore "I can't breathe" shirts after the murder of Eric Garner. The players can use the platform of nationally televised games to keep the protests in social consciousness. And anger Fox News and its viewers so you know, win-win.

I miss basketball, but it isn't that important to me. For the protests and call for reform, I think reopening will actually help the cause. However, for the health of the players, I'm more worried about the league playing in Florida. Did it have to be Florida?
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I'm sure many of them would rather "stay home" with family and friends, than to risk it all so the league can get it's ratings.
At the same time, the players don't get paid if they don't play. Sure, superstar players like will be fine financially. It's dicier for role players on minimum deals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2020, 05:21:08 PM
There wasn't a world wide protest going on when all those other incidents went on.

If people are sitting at home watching NBA games, they aren't out in the streets protesting.
The cause has a momentum that a lot of players do not want to impede with drawing focus away by bringing basketball back right now.

This time it's different, and actual change is happening. We've taken a lot of steps backwards over the last few years, but this is on giant step forward that is long over due.
I love watching NBA recently as well, but if we can all keep this focus for as long as necessary, I will be ok w/o this season finishing. And I'm sure a majority of league will be on that same line of thought.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 14, 2020, 06:40:54 PM
I miss basketball, but it isn't that important to me. For the protests and call for reform, I think reopening will actually help the cause. However, for the health of the players, I'm more worried about the league playing in Florida. Did it have to be Florida?

I think it did have to be Florida.  They're the most lax state with COVID regulations and explicitly allowed televised sports as an exception.  It's the same thing that made WWE "essential".
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 14, 2020, 07:31:03 PM
Other states would have allowed it. The NHL is using two hub cities for their playoffs and it doesn't look like either one is going to be in Florida. They're playing in Florida because Disney/ESPN wanted them there, and because they have the facilities necessary to hold that many teams.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: broodwars on June 14, 2020, 08:22:10 PM
Other states would have allowed it. The NHL is using two hub cities for their playoffs and it doesn't look like either one is going to be in Florida. They're playing in Florida because Disney/ESPN wanted them there, and because they have the facilities necessary to hold that many teams.

To our credit, we've also managed the viral situation better than most of the states out there, and we didn't have to fully shut down to do it.

If Disney & Universal feel they can open their theme parks amidst all this, we can handle a crowd-less NBA, especially here in my realm of the state.
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Post by: Shaymin on June 14, 2020, 10:28:54 PM
Other states would have allowed it. The NHL is using two hub cities for their playoffs and it doesn't look like either one is going to be in Florida. They're playing in Florida because Disney/ESPN wanted them there, and because they have the facilities necessary to hold that many teams.

Also the fact that it'd be hellacious to try and maintain ice in Florida in the middle of the summer. Most of the US cities would be bad for this (thinking of Vegas, which was another possibility for both the NHL and NBA).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 14, 2020, 11:07:53 PM
Vegas is all but a lock to be one of the NHL's hub cities, so it's not like that would stop them.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on June 15, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
We're at the point now where the NHL and NBA seasons would be wrapping up if they continued on schedule.  I was very much in favour of continuing the season if the delay was a month or two but now we're at the point where there is no way to resume things without eating into the next season.  MLB hasn't started yet and doesn't look like it will this year.  The NHL and NBA have plans but the NBA players are expressing concerns and none of these plans have been given start dates yet.  At this point I think they should just cancel the season and hope that by the fall, or maybe winter if need be, they can start the next season in a semi-normal manner.

If they resume the current season then it will affect the next season and depending on that timing it may even affect the season after that if things get shifted and the off-season is shorter.  The ripple effect is going to less if they just cut their losses and cancel the current season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 20, 2020, 04:38:32 PM
NBA needs to back out.... Unless all involved are 100% locked down on Disney campus. Fully self sufficient. FL on the way towards being the next NY now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-20/florida-covid-19-cases-rise-by-4-049-the-most-during-pandemic

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1274382237346205696?s=20

It's not worth the risk. And more important things are going on.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2020, 11:15:21 AM
It looks like the NBA Disney Bubble thing is still happening....

Toronto Raptors are apparently on their way to FL to begin the testing quarantine process.

But Disney also announced that all their "Cast Members" who are not residing on Campus, will not have to adhere to strict Bubble testing and quarantine requirements.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on June 22, 2020, 11:16:49 AM
NBA needs to back out.... Unless all involved are 100% locked down on Disney campus. Fully self sufficient. FL on the way towards bring the next NY now.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-20/florida-covid-19-cases-rise-by-4-049-the-most-during-pandemic

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1274382237346205696?s=20

It's not worth the risk. And more important things are going on.

Don't even need to look at the Florida numbers.  The NHL is dipping their toes in the pool first.  The opened training camp on June 8, two weeks ago so this the typical turnaround time for diagnosing the virus, and 11 or their 200 players have tested positive.  If they already have a 5% infection rate before the first game has resumed why wouldn't the NBA assume similar results?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2020, 06:56:04 PM
With the cast members freely coming and going, is the bubble really maintained? And if the NHL is already failing in the "bubble", it's only reasonable to assume the NBA may have similar results.

There's also some reports of the long term effects that some that have already recovered are still suffering from. I'd hate to see some of our best compromised to salvage a season that's already lost, just because LeBron doesn't want to waste one of his last active years where he has a good shot at the title. Legacy be damned.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 22, 2020, 07:19:30 PM
The NHL isn’t in the bubble yet, right now they’re at the individual team facilities getting ready for that. It seems like some of the positive tests there are guys who showed up for training camp, got tested when they got there as part of the protocol, and tested positive without realizing they had it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2020, 11:51:57 AM
Woj reports:
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1276530837018882048?s=21

16 of the 302 players tested have tested positive for COVID-19

Can we start a poll..... 2 parter.

1) Who think the NBA will continue this year despite everything happening in Florida?

2) Regardless of your answer to the above question, who wants it to restart anyway?
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Post by: Ian Sane on June 26, 2020, 02:03:13 PM
So Vince Carter retired.  When I graduated high school there was a little poll that the yearbook club gave to everyone in grade 12.  This was "most likely to succeed" kind of stuff.  Anyway, one of the questions was "most likely to be the next Vince Carter."  This was in '99 and was his rookie season.  One of the yearbook club guys kept getting asked "who's Vince Carter" as the question was his idea and he was making too big of an assumption that people paid close attention to the NBA.  Also at the point the Grizzlies were still in Vancouver and the Sonics were still in Seattle so there wasn't as much attention paid to the Raptors in the Vancouver area as there is today.

Needless to say I feel old.  The last active player from when I was in high school has now retired.  Though ironically I would have thought this would have happened years ago.  Who knew the guy from my high school yearbook poll would set the record for most seasons played?

Oh and my classmate that was voted "most likely to be the next Vince Carter" ended up being a bench warmer for a community college team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 26, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
I guess it's official.....

NBA is coming back (Lebron wants his shot at the title*)
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1276607662306873350?s=20
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 26, 2020, 06:57:58 PM
Woj reports:
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1276530837018882048?s=21

16 of the 302 players tested have tested positive for COVID-19

Can we start a poll..... 2 parter.

1) Who think the NBA will continue this year despite everything happening in Florida?

2) Regardless of your answer to the above question, who wants it to restart anyway?

1) I give it a 65% chance as of right now.  The League plans to restart, there is some support from some players, and we're talking about Florida here.  Also, two Disney subsidiaries stand to make money here (assuming Disney is getting paid for use of its facilities, though I doubt they'd just offer them up for free).  The issue is the spiking, but there's enough time for spikes to go back to a lull and for the deaths/hospitalizations to not show up as a lag.  That being said, those two metrics could spike in the next two weeks, the surge in new cases could continue, and more players could opt out.  I know LeBron is probably all-in an could likely sway the league if he changes his mind, but there could still be enough players to change minds.

2) As far as wanting, I dunno.  I have mixed feelings.  I kinda wish the players could do what LeBron did with "The Announcement" and basically make each game a two hour infomercial about the cause.  Sports do bring people together and provide a distraction.  The degree to which they do that, and whether those are noble pursuits is a debatable concern, however.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on June 26, 2020, 07:25:46 PM
Can we start a poll..... 2 parter.

1) Who think the NBA will continue this year despite everything happening in Florida?

2) Regardless of your answer to the above question, who wants it to restart anyway?
1. I know it’s official now, but my answer would have been yes anyway. I still think restarting in Florida is a bad idea. I get the whole Disney World thing; it’s just... you know... Florida gonna Florida.

2. There are layers to this. From a strictly sports/business standpoint, it makes more sense to finish this season if they can because it was almost over. Might as well finish this season given the opportunity presented itself because there’s still a risk of losing next season. That’s future-NBA’s problem. Deal with the problem at hand now.

For the protests and social change, it’s a platform the players can use, and I hope they use it during pre-game warmups to post-game interviews. Keep reminding people. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I get exhausted reading and being reminded of what a clusterfuck the news is every day, particularly American politics. That said, having basketball as a palette cleanser and having players promoting an important and positive message is definitely better for my mental health.

For physical health, I don’t know. Any kind of gathering is increasing risk. At the same time, without the season restarting, no one is getting paid. I feel lucky that I’m able to work from home. I’ve been getting a paycheck every other week this entire time. I only have two cats. The players, team staff etc. have families.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 26, 2020, 11:56:43 PM
Woj reports:
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1276530837018882048?s=21

16 of the 302 players tested have tested positive for COVID-19

Can we start a poll..... 2 parter.

1) Who think the NBA will continue this year despite everything happening in Florida?

2) Regardless of your answer to the above question, who wants it to restart anyway?

About 2 of those 16 are Suns players. 

As for the question...

1.  It is likely to happen still because of money and the next year and free agents expected to be payed big bucks.  Also probably because I don't think there hasn't been a champion in the NBA when there has been a season so yeah likely to finish the season. 

2. As for who wants it to restart well as Adrock said there is layers to this.  Some players are against starting again and have actually opted out of playing in Orlando for different reasons. Some for social justice and for racial reform. Others for their families sake for health reasons. 

I think the NBA is one of the best sports leagues to have players be more vocal about things and those that choose to can speak out about things although different sports leagues are getting a little bit better with things since these protests started.  I mean Nascar stopped having confederate flags at races and the NFL actually apologized to Collin for the way they treated him so baby steps. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on June 29, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
The Lakers are apparently expected to bring in J.R. Smith for the rest of the season with Avery Bradley deciding not to go to Orlando (which is fair, his son has respiratory issues).

Nick Young was a long shot, and honestly, I would rather bring him in if the Lakers just want a dude to spot up and shoot threes. Young is a minus defender for his career but actually improved when he was on the team during the dark times. He even stole a game winner from Lou Williams. On defense, Smith and Young are probably not far off from each other at this point. I just like Young’s attitude more. At the very least, he never forgot the score in a Finals game or threw soup at an assistant coach. Smith probably got the okay from LeBron though. Ultimately, Bradley’s minutes are most likely going to KCP while KCP’s minutes will be split between Alex Caruso and Dion Waiters.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on June 30, 2020, 04:56:48 AM
It is an interesting case of bringing in JR after having him in for workouts when the buyout market opened up and now they have Waiters and JR in there.   I talked some with some Lakers fans and most are in favor of having KCP starting like when Bradley was out in the early parts of the season.  Some though want to have Caruso starting alongside Green, LeBron, AD and McGee.  While having Rondo and KCP off the bench and having Waiters and JR behind them.  I can see both arguments but I think the lineups heading into the playoffs will depend on these next 8 games. See Waiters hasn't had a chance to play with the main team and was actually suppose to have his game debut on the South Bay Lakers( Lakers G League team) to get a feel of him and is pretty customary for players joining a new team or rehabing from an injury. Curry did so before coming back that one time this season.   JR really hasn't played since 2019 but he can shoot but I don't expect him to get major minutes like he did in those Finals so mistakes should be limited.   The next 8 games will set the playoff lineups. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on June 30, 2020, 03:42:56 PM
In more troubling news for the NBA season, three Pelicans players have tested positive for COVID-19 (http://three Pelicans players have tested positive for COVID-19).

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(Executive vice president of basketball operations David) Griffin, citing privacy laws, did not say which players tested positive, but he did say those players are in isolation. He added that the three tests took place when players returned to the facility last week.

It should be noted that Alvin Gentry is 65 and would be in the "vulnerable" group, but he plans to be in Orlando.  Pels are 3 1/2 games behind the Grizzlies.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 03, 2020, 11:36:21 AM
Since the NBA is apparently happening regardless of how bad Florida is right now (not to mention AZ, TX, GA, AL and SoCal t name a few off my head), I heard there will likely be a 2nd Bubble made up of the remaining 8 teams that aren't in the "Playoff*" tournament.

This 8 bubble scrimmage will include a healthy Warriors squad.....
I'm honestly hoping we only send scrubs, as I don't trust this "bubble" to be kept totally insulated from the impending disaster that is FL right now. But if it they all play.... is it really even fair? Warriors sweep, no doubt. Steph, Klay, Wiggins and Dray. Then we have Looney and whatever other scrubs you put out there. It's gonna be a exhibition event to hype Warrirors for next season (just imagine if we swap Wiggins for Giannis tho. LOL)

This years championship will forever have that * on it, but we all ready for some sports to come back.... even if I think we still got MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF AT THE SAME TIME.
so I hope the general populace don't lose focus just because a major down-time distraction will be back.

Hopefully the NBA Channel will be free and people can watch re-runs at their leisure.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on July 03, 2020, 02:44:48 PM
Unless something seriously unexpected happens between now and the end of the season, talk of asterisks is overrated.

We've seen the vast majority of the season, we know which teams are good and which aren't. Teams are going into the end of the season on (generally) equal footing and whoever plays and adjusts the best will walk away with the championship.

Champions were crowned despite key players missing from opposing teams. Champions are crowned despite abbreviated schedules. A champion will be crowned this year, and will have to overcome some tough challenges to make that happen.

Asterisks should be reserved for cases when the end result was clearly affected by cheating or bribery or intentionally doing something outside the game to affect the results in favor of the winner. At this point in time, none of those things have happened.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on July 03, 2020, 05:21:23 PM
You can put an asterisk over anything if you really want to be a stickler. For example, Steph Curry barely played, Kevin Durant didn't play at all, and Kobe Bryant (a retired player with ties to dozens of players) died violently.

The way I see it, an asterisk is helpful in a historical context to denote 2020 was the year thousands of people died and the league shut down for over four months (additionally, there was an entire social movement as well as murder hornets for a week or so). History books should at least mention that, right? Like I said before, if anything, current circumstances makes winning the title harder. There's the emotional toll, no home court advantage, no fans etc. In the long run, we'll view it the same: a championship is a championship.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Ian Sane on July 03, 2020, 06:02:31 PM
An asterisk is kind of silly because what the hell are you even looking at?  This is the internet era.  You're not looking at some NBA records book to look this stuff up.  Wikipedia has a list of NBA champions.  So does Basketball Reference.  So does probably a hundred sites.  How they format things isn't standardized.  Maybe they make a note about peculiar situations that resulted in shorter seasons or maybe they don't.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on July 03, 2020, 06:49:34 PM
You can put an asterisk over anything ... History books ... a championship is a championship.

I think we're on the same page here.

In 10 years time, people will remember a couple of the really good teams this year that missed their chance - perhaps because of outside events, or perhaps not. In 25 years time, most people will only know which team won regardless of the circumstances.

For decades after that, history books will deal with events taking place that actually mattered... which doesn't include NBA championships.  All the other stuff we are going through is monumental, and basketball is just a short term diversion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on July 03, 2020, 07:51:20 PM
I think when you're aggregating stats you're probably gonna want that footnote, even 25 years later, as the reminder that "Oh yeah, this was shortened/delayed due to a pandemic" to explain why the year would look like an outlier.

The asterisk has some value, but I do think people are overplaying it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 04, 2020, 10:31:21 AM
On the topic of an asterisk this season has been unlike anything we have seen before.  I mean to start the season off we had the whole China deal with the preseason being shortened because of the protests that was happening in China, then the whole Darrel Morey thing with China,  there was a few early suspensions namely Ayton and John Collins of the Suns and Hawks respectfully,  Several injuries costing footing in the standings, Kobe died and that affected players emotionally,  then finally COVID-19 shutting down the season for 4 months, racial justice and now a 8 game wrap up of the season and then into the playoffs in one location. 

  If anything whoever wins this championship is going to deserve it more because of all the stuff that happened and all the toll of all the above for players this year.   


Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on July 06, 2020, 11:09:47 PM
Per Shams Charania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1280334852341055488?s=20), Dwight Howard confirms he will play when the season resumes and donate his salary to his non-profit campaign, Breathe Again.

This is a great way to make a statement for an issue that is important to him and the world at large right now.

From a basketball standpoint, good for the Lakers because they weren’t winning **** without Howard.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 06, 2020, 11:30:18 PM
This is the best possible way to go about things for Howard to champion a cause he is passionate about while helping the team.   


Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on July 07, 2020, 06:57:07 PM
Classy move by Dwight Howard.  The possibility that he can finally win an NBA championship is very exciting.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
 Dwight Howard went on Instagram Live to say he doesn’t believe in vaccines (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/platform/amp/2020/7/19/21330418/dwight-howard-doesnt-believe-vaccines-instagram-live-lakers)

He also said, “If I'm alone I don't need to wear a mask... It's just like riding around in your car.”
(https://i.imgur.com/rhkF4jK.gif)
Dwight Howard is like the human embodiment of that putting on clown makeup meme.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on July 20, 2020, 12:08:07 AM
I know you don't need to wear a mask while driving in your car alone, but he should be more careful than that.  I know news about the virus is scattered but some people think it is airborne.  At least he wears it around other people.

But the vaccine thing . . . I dunno . . .
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on July 20, 2020, 01:12:16 AM
For context, someone used the NBA’s anonymous tip line to snitch on Dwight Howard for not wearing a mask in the bubble last week. I believe he was commenting on or referring to that. Howard is comparing being alone in the bubble to being in alone in a car. Ehh, I get where that line of thinking comes from except that’s false equivalence. It’s incorrect because for one, the bubble is full of people, particularly Disney employees who work there but leave to go home even if they’re required to always wear a mask on the clock. And how alone was Howard if someone already reported him?

Overall, it’s a shame this is what he is doing with his extensive public platform. Cone of shame, Dwight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: NWR_insanolord on July 20, 2020, 01:23:28 AM
MLS is about two weeks into its bubble tournament, also in Orlando at Disney's complex, and while they had some positive tests at the beginning of people who had it before they got there, since then things have gone very smoothly. This kind of setup can work really well if the people involved do what they're supposed to, so hopefully the NBA can get everyone onboard and make it work.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on July 20, 2020, 01:33:03 AM
For context, someone used the NBA’s anonymous tip line to snitch on Dwight Howard for not wearing a mask in the bubble last week. I believe he was commenting on or referring to that. Howard is comparing being alone in the bubble to being in alone in a car. Ehh, I get where that line of thinking comes from except that’s false equivalence. It’s incorrect because for one, the bubble is full of people, particularly Disney employees who work there but leave to go home even if they’re required to always wear a mask on the clock. And how alone was Howard if someone already reported him?

I knew he had been reported, but I hadn't realized it was directly in the wake of that.  I only skimmed the link.  And yeah, you make great points.  He could be out by himself, but easily become within 6 feet of someone.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: ejamer on July 20, 2020, 09:42:08 AM
I strongly disagree with Howard's health advice, which comes across as either selfish or (most likely) ignorant. People: please wear masks and look at the actual science (not pseudo-science, conspiracy theories, or social media hysteria) when talking about vaccines.


That said, I hope these silly comments don't detract from his advocacy and support for important and meaningful social change. Howard got that right, in my opinion. It will take long-standing effort, social awareness, on-going funding, and political will to remove systemic racial discrimination. But even though it's difficult and at times expensive, it's worth fighting for.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 24, 2020, 03:11:26 AM
Well some scrimages happened and the Lakers looked good and surprisingly the Suns did as well with Mikal Bridges leading the Suns. 

However the main thing I am posting about is the post game interview of LeBron, AD and Vogel about racial inequality and everything that goes with that.  I'll leave the video below and let it speak for itself.



For BnM- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVfxHObB2I
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 24, 2020, 02:47:49 PM
I'm glad that even though the game is back (I haven't watched anything but highlights so far) that they continue to use the post game pre game and mid game, Jersey and anything else they can to keep the awareness in the forefront of the media narrative.

I was a little skeptical that the push would fade as the focus changed, but given how the events of the world.... Excuse me, the dire events of the US are playing out right now, I think it'll be easy for everyone to be reminded of the yeah at hand and what ultimately needs to happen going forward.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: Adrock on July 31, 2020, 01:06:53 AM
Great win tonight. The Lakers shouldn’t be giving up 13 point leads. Nice to see Dion Waiters get a lot of run. The next seven games are going to be critical for getting him more comfortable. I would have liked to see Markieff Morris get more run. Frank Vogel is probably trying to ease him back into the rotation. I’d rather have Morris on Leonard or George than KCP.

Disappointed the Pelicans lost. I’d rather they make the playoffs because Lakers vs. Pelicans would be a better series than Lakers vs. Grizzlies. Rudy Gobert with the game winning free throws. Brandon Ingram is pretty clutch, but that was not a great final shot. It was contested, and J. J. Reddick was like right there. I feel like the Pelicans are being too careful with Zion Williamson. He played 15 minutes. Y’all had eight games to make it into the playoffs. If you’re not going to play him after four months of additional rest and recovery while he got in significantly better shape, why are you even in the bubble right now?

Nice to see everyone kneeling during the National Anthem. These are the kinds of statements I was hoping to see when the league announced the season was resuming.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Season Suspended Due To Pandemic And Gobert Dumbassery
Post by: nickmitch on July 31, 2020, 01:10:04 AM
Disappointed the Pelicans lost.

Same.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: ejamer on July 31, 2020, 08:53:35 AM
Mostly agree with everything Adrock said.

Lakers feel like a stronger, better team overall than Clippers right now... but games don't get much closer than we saw last night. Assuming the presumed collision course stays on-track, it will be very interesting to see their battles over the next couple of weeks.

The strict minute limit for Zion seems ridiculous. I get that he's considered the future... but they couldn't spare 3-5 extra minutes of play for him after months of layoff? Fans, players, and most importantly Zion himself all got robbed by not having him in the game for the closing minutes.  (But hey, I'm no doctor. Maybe there are really legitimate reasons that I don't know about.)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 31, 2020, 02:32:19 PM
From my understanding Markief and Zion has just finished quarenteening and had just arrived into the bubble days prior so that is why they didn't get much run.

As to the games both were good and I enjoyed them.  Both games had the Lakers in some form either former or current. Jazz with Clarkson and the Pels with Lonzo, Hart and Ingram so I was happy either way.  As  a Suns fan though it was nice seeing the Pelicans lose just so we can see if we can make a push for the 8th seed. Yes it is very unlikely we make a run and a lot of things must go right but there is a chance.
 

The Clippers vs Lakers game was really good minus that start of the 3rd quarter.  I really liked Kuzma and his play in guarding Kawhi. He has had success this year guarding Westbrook, Tatum and now Kawhi.  I also liked his form with his 3 point shot. The scrimage games carried over to the 1st of the 8 games. It is good to see. 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 01, 2020, 11:05:08 PM
The Raptors sweep the season series because the Lakers just didn't feel like playing basketball tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: ejamer on August 02, 2020, 08:12:48 AM
The Raptors sweep the season series because the Lakers just didn't feel like playing basketball tonight.

Hahaha... I'm seeing a lot of this sentiment online, but it's crap. Lakers lost because they were outplayed.

Both teams are excellent defensively, both teams are a bit rusty. Games aren't all going to be beautiful - but shutting down superstar opponents and winning ugly games is exactly in the Raptors wheelhouse. They were the third best team in the NBA this season (right behind LAL in the standings) for a reason, and that script is something that played out many times over the season.

But hold onto those sour grapes if they make you feel better. Raptors being a legit (if unlikely) contender clearly isn't a narrative some people are interested in.
 ;D
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 02, 2020, 01:36:08 PM
Hahaha... I'm seeing a lot of this sentiment online, but it's crap. Lakers lost because they were outplayed.
LOL, what part is crap? Of course the Lakers got outplayed. They lost. Any team gets outplayed when the opposing team beats them. 🤷‍♀️

However, a team doesn’t lose by 15 points in a pretty even matchup if they play like they want to be there. Anthony Davis, for example, had seven field goal attempts. He didn’t assert himself like he did against the Clippers. The Lakers in general did not look invested which they’ve done numerous times this season often after winning big games. Except this was a big game too against a top team in the league. The Lakers could have clinched first in the West with a win then played James and Davis limited minutes (or not at all) for the next six games. They think they can just coast through a game and turn it on at the end. That isn’t going to work against quality competition unless the other team comes out flat as well.

Note that I did not say the Lakers absolutely would have won if they felt like playing basketball. At the very least, we would have gotten a better game. Lakers vs. Clippers on Thursday was sloppy but good. Lakers vs. Raptors was sloppy but bad.
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But hold onto those sour grapes if they make you feel better. Raptors being a legit (if unlikely) contender clearly isn't a narrative some people are interested in.
 ;D
You’re talking trash about spectator sports neither of us have any direct involvement in. Grow up.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: ejamer on August 03, 2020, 11:47:50 AM
Nope.

I'm pretty sure that after your team loses and you attribute that to a bunch of well-rested pros who simply "didn't feel like playing basketball" instead of giving credit to the other team for playing tough defense and giving more effort, that's a weak cop out and disrespectful to players on both teams.

AD didn't play well? Gasol (and overall team defense) might be due some credit.
Lakers couldn't stop the Raptors in crunch time? Lowry might deserve some credit for leading the offensive charge, knowing that the Lakers have lost a couple of key defenders at the point.

Not sure about where you grew up, but we were taught that humility includes giving some credit after a loss, instead of lame one-liners that discredit the opponent.


But maybe you are right. The loss is just because the Lakers didn't feel like playing, and I need to grow up.
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 03, 2020, 02:32:39 PM
I'm pretty sure that after your team loses and you attribute that to a bunch of well-rested pros who simply "didn't feel like playing basketball" instead of giving credit to the other team for playing tough defense and giving more effort, that's a weak cop out and disrespectful to players on both teams.
Come on, man. Seriously? My initial post about this game was a half-joke (more on that later). I tried to clarify with my next post and you're still coming at me. Alright, let's try this again:

1. The Lakers lost because the Raptors outplayed them.
2. The Lakers lost by 15 points because they came out flat and thought they could coast through a game.
3. Criticizing the Lakers is not the same thing as discrediting the Raptors.

A team can get outplayed without also getting blown out. I'm not taking anything away from the Raptors. I've acknowledged twice now that they played a better game than the Lakers so I don't know what else you want me to say. In fact, I actually really like the Raptors' chances this year:
As long as the Raptors are healthy, I have more faith in them in the playoffs than the Bucks. The Raptors are playoff tested, Leonard or no Leonard.
So don't come at me like I haven't given credit where credit is due.

I was merely commenting on how poorly the Lakers played. For example, Danny Green missed six wide open three pointers. That's bad defense. However, in my humble opinion, that's worse offense. If you can't hit open shots, you're playing a **** game from that end of the floor. Full stop.

I don't think the Raptors did anything particularly special guarding Anthony Davis. There were a few minutes late in the third quarter when Davis was actively attacking the basket. He was drawing fouls at will. The Lakers didn't really go back to that, and there was no real reason for it either considering he was 9/9 from the free throw line, and Gasol and Ibaka both had five fouls.

Honestly, I think you're way too hung up on the "Lakers just didn't feel like playing basketball tonight" line. I've made this and similar comments numerous times in this thread as a shorthand joke for a team (not just the Lakers) playing poorly. You never complained about them before so it feels like you're being a homer because the other team was the Raptors.
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Not sure about where you grew up, but we were taught that humility includes giving some credit after a loss, instead of lame one-liners that discredit the opponent.
Passive aggressive personal insults are completely uncalled for.
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But maybe you are right. The loss is just because the Lakers didn't feel like playing, and I need to grow up.
 :rolleyes:
Dude, you need to stop misrepresenting other people's words. Sure, my initial post about the game was unclear. Then, I elaborated yet you're still running with "The loss is just because the Lakers didn't feel like playing."

And yeah, you do need to grow up considering how weirdly defensive you get about the Raptors (numerous instances in this thread) and are now at the point where you're hurling insults at me on an online message board.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: ejamer on August 03, 2020, 04:51:10 PM
Sure dude, whatever.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 03, 2020, 07:36:08 PM
Sure dude, whatever.
Yeah, okay. Thanks for proving my point about needing to grow up.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 03, 2020, 09:45:05 PM
The Jazz are killing me. I missed the first three minutes, but since then, they have passed up three layups for kick out three pointers. Where’s broodwars when you need him?

EDIT:

The Lakers clinch the first seed in the West. They’re lucky Jordan Clarkson couldn’t hit fish in a barrel if the barrel was also made of fish. This f-ing team loooooooves giving up wide open three pointers.

I’m glad the Pelicans played Zion Williamson and picked up a win. It helps to beat the Grizzlies, but I think it’s too little, too late. If the Spurs pulled off that comeback, it would made things a lot more interesting.

The Sixers are similarly killing me. They almost lost that game after giving up a double digit lead in the fourth quarter. It’s like they thought DeMar DeRozan’s points don’t count. That Shake Milton game winner was nice though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 05, 2020, 09:59:16 PM
Oof, Lakers got worked. I get Vogel was trying new rotations and the game didn’t matter as far as seeding. Still, this was uglier than it should have been. At some point, this team has to start playing basketball and stop building houses for the Orlando community. That’s a joke about how many three pointers the Lakers bricked (again). Most were wide open. They’re getting embarrassed in the playoffs if they keep shooting like this. Dion Waiters’ poor shooting almost felt intentional. But hey, Danny Green finally hit a couple. 🥳

And to be clear because I don’t feel like hearing about this later, the Thunder played harder and clearly wanted the win more. At the very least, the Lakers avoided injuries, but that KCP collision was scary. I hope they play better tomorrow night.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
I don’t know what Caris LeVert was thinking with that step back jumper as time expired. He was getting to the basket pretty easily all game.

I’m disappointed the Suns won’t be in the play-in game(s). They were the only team that went 8-0 in the bubble. Devin Booker was just stupid good. Ideally, it would have been Blazers vs. Suns once Jaren Jackson Jr. went down with the torn meniscus.

I have the Blazers securing the eighth seed since they only need one win. I’m a little concerned about CJ McCollum. He’s been playing with a fractured vertebrae since the first restart game. I’m sure team doctors okayed him to play. Still, I don’t putz with back injuries. I pulled a muscle in my back early last month, and I’m still feeling it. Different injury; same general area. Mess up your back, and you can’t play anymore.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2020, 12:31:08 AM
If playoffs start next week.... and the Blazers and Grizz are in the Play-In Berth.... when do they play each other for the 8th seed? And how does that work anyway, as Blazers have the better record after tonights win.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2020, 01:18:04 AM
1. Probably Saturday then Sunday if needed. The last seeding games are tomorrow, and there are no games scheduled this weekend.

EDIT: Game one will tip-off on Saturday at 11:30 a.m. PT on ABC, and game two (if necessary) would take place on Sunday at 1:30 p.m. PT on ESPN.

2. Since the Blazers are the eighth seed, they only need to beat the Grizzlies once. The Grizzlies need to beat the Blazers twice so if they win the first game, they will play the Blazers again. Otherwise, the Blazers just advance. I imagine these games will be played on separate days. The Lakers’ first playoff game is on Tuesday so the winner of the play-in games will get at least a day off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 14, 2020, 02:34:36 AM
Should've had the Grizz and Suns play for a single shot at the Blazers. Winner gets the 8th seed.

Considering the Grizz and Suns have the same record, and the Suns are 8-0 in the Bubble (only undefeated team in the bubble), I'd really rather see the Suns get a shot at the Play-In vs Grizz for a single game shot at the Blazers for the 8th seed.

I'm also looking on ESPN.com and while the Game 1 vs Lakers (8seed vs 1seed) is scheduled for Tuesday as TBD, there is no match on Sat or Sun matchup or any game listed for either of those teams to "play-in".

Edit: looks like they set to play tomorrow, and then again on Sunday if necessary.

I really think it should've been Suns v Grizz on Saturday.
Winner plays Blazers on Sunday.
That would've been much more interesting.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2020, 04:58:24 PM
The Magic just upset the Bucks. Technically, the Magic is the only team with home court advantage. I'm not ready to be on Magic Island. This was a really impressive win though I expect the Bucks to win the next four.

Other thoughts:

No, Donovan Mitchell, noooooooooooo.....

Kristaps Porziņģis getting ejected was one of the weakest ejections I've ever seen. His first technical was ridiculous. Punching the air because he disagreed with a call. Fine, but call it every time. That doesn't change my overall opinion on these matters. Find a way to win. I'm glad the Mavericks didn't make excuses. They still kept it close because Luka Dončić is ridiculous. This might be a more competitive series than I thought.

Here are my predictions for the first round:

East

West
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 18, 2020, 07:24:36 PM
Those are reasonable predictions.
Hilarity ensues one the Rockets are eliminated by the Thunder.

I also would like the Blazers to take out the Lakers, then last long enough to play the clippers, but that's highly unlikely.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 18, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
Those are reasonable predictions.
Hilarity ensues one the Rockets are eliminated by the Thunder.
Looking like I'll have to take back that Thunder sweep. I'm still taking them for the series. I couldn't predict the Rockets would shoot 10% better on three pointers and their bench going off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 19, 2020, 12:00:54 AM
The Lakers deserved to lose that game. Keep disrespecting your opponents and see what happens. The Lakers have been doing that the entire bubble. Also, when you're up by six in the fourth quarter and shooting roughly 0.000003% from the arc and you decide to keep shooting three pointers instead of driving to the basket which was there all game whenever you wanted it, you've decided to accept an L.

They lost by seven, and they aren't really running the pick and roll. If they shoot say, 15 fewer three pointers and run the pick and roll instead, they probably win this game. I hope to see some adjustments on Thursday, but judging by the previous eight bubble games, they're going to keep jacking up three pointers hoping Kobe The Sixth Man's them into the basket. Anyone else remember that 1997 film? No? Alrighty.

The Lakers are going to lose this series if they keep doing **** like that. I kept thinking James was just taking it easy early on so he would have tons of energy in the fourth quarter, but he barely drove the ball. Davis shooting 13% from the field and air balling threes is not helping either. And Dion Waiters played negative eight seconds somehow.

For Game 2 (not that I'm an expert):
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 19, 2020, 12:48:10 AM
BLAZERS TAKE GAME 1!!!!

is it happening!!!?
I don't think it is, but it's fun to see it play out
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 19, 2020, 01:09:57 AM
is it happening!!!?
I don't think it is, but it's fun to see it play out
It is. Might as well be pick up where they left off the last time they were in the playoffs and get swept again.

This year, I don’t care who wins as long as it isn’t the Clippers. I still hate that team’s attitude. “We’re the underdogs even though we have Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.” **** all the way off.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on August 19, 2020, 02:07:17 AM
...they're going to keep jacking up three pointers hoping Kobe The Sixth Man's them into the basket. Anyone else remember that 1997 film? No? Alrighty.

I had to really think about that reference.  Angels in the Outfield pretty much owns the real estate in my brain for "sports team gets help from dead people" media.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 19, 2020, 06:34:33 PM
The Jazz are killing me. I missed the first three minutes, but since then, they have passed up three layups for kick out three pointers. Where’s broodwars when you need him?

Decided to take a break from the site a month or 2 ago. I found that I was getting way too invested in the fate of my posts & occasionally taking it out on people, when my posts were even noticed.

Besides, I'm pretty much ignoring the NBA at this point. Between the grandstanding with the political messages on the jerseys, the Jazz intentionally tanking to get the 6th Seed to avoid the Lakers & Rockets, Bogdanovich being out for the playoffs, & lack of a real crowd at these games...I just don't care anymore. They might as well just simulate the rest of the playoffs in NBA 2K for as much legitimacy as they currently have using fake crowds in an empty stadium.

I do see that the Jazz annihilated the Nuggets in Game 2 today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2020, 12:15:14 AM
Decided to take a break from the site a month or 2 ago. I found that I was getting way too invested in the fate of my posts & occasionally taking it out on people, when my posts were even noticed.
Good on you for taking a mental health break. As for unnoticed posts (or no responses), that's just what happens. People get busy, miss posts, forget to respond, have nothing to add etc. It’s best not to take that personally. I was having a whole conversation with myself on the previous page. 🤷‍♀️
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Between the grandstanding with the political messages on the jerseys...
From the league or players? I don't think it's grandstanding.
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the Jazz intentionally tanking to get the 6th Seed to avoid the Lakers
Ehh, really? Davis is a bad matchup for the Gobert, but overall, the Clippers are deeper. Avoid the Lakers to play the Clippers is a weird game plan. Chances are a team will have to run through both Los Angeles teams.


Anyway...

The Nets took it to the Raptors. They're just outmatched. The Raptors came out and pretended they weren't playing a professional basketball game then got serious and got back into the game. The Nets will be good next year as long as they don't trade everyone like Kyrie Irving wants.

The Nuggets got worked. I didn't watch the whole game so I don't know what happened. I suspect Nuggets players were secretly swapped out for holograms.

The Sixers also got worked. Without Simmons, this series is over. They're my second favorite. This is not their year.

Me, after the Mavericks beat the Clippers:
(https://i.imgur.com/vQSQGFd.jpg)

Paul George had an off night. Can't count on that happening, but take it when you get it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2020, 09:07:12 PM
Ha, get fucked, Warriors. LEL. I doubt they’ll keep the pick. It was trade bait whether they got the first or second pick.

I think the Timberwolves will draft Anthony Edwards.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2020, 09:15:33 PM
wait, what happened?

they decided who gets first pick?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 20, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
wait, what happened?

they decided who gets first pick?
Yeah, Draft Lottery was tonight.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 20, 2020, 10:04:59 PM
You know the T-Wolves on that LaMelo Ball HYPE. ;)


But Damn, from 5 Finals in a row to 2nd pick in the draft. That's quite the feat. LOL
When's the last time that's happened?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on August 20, 2020, 10:44:09 PM
Cavs had a top 5 pick last year, having made the finals in the 4 seasons prior.

That's the first thing that comes to mind.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 21, 2020, 12:27:06 AM
For Game 2 (not that I'm an expert):
  • Limit shooting three pointers if not at least 30% by halftime.
    • Danny Green gets five chances to hit at least two three pointers. Failing that, pump fake then drive. It's there all game.
    • Alex Caruso isn't allowed to waste possessions shooting three pointers.
  • Run the pick and roll.
  • Attack the basket and get Nurkic and Whiteside in foul trouble.
  • If Nurkic and Whiteside are off the floor, attack the basket even more.
  • Lillard and McCollum will get theirs, make it hard for them and force anyone else to beat you.
  • Play Dion Waiters for the love of......... otherwise, why did you sign him?
The Lakers did most of these. They didn't get Nurkic and Whiteside in foul trouble, but they did attack the basket. The Blazers didn't have an answer for that. Dion Waiters played mostly garbage time. I feel like Vogel is afraid Waiters is going to get torched on defense against Lillard.

I wanted a blowout, and I got one. I'm mostly tired of analysts (mostly on ESPN) saying the Lakers are in trouble. Charles Barkley predicted the Lakers would get swept. Get the **** out of here, man. They almost won Game 1 despite forgetting how to play offense. This time, they came out and played with urgency, respected their opponent, and didn't settle for threes. Still, the Lakers shot significantly better from the arc. ~37% for the game; ~35% before Lillard was pulled. They'll be fine most games shooting that percentage from deep. James whiffed a few layups, but for the most part, the team was very good in the paint.

The Lakers played a normal game by their season standards. They haven't done so in the bubble until this game while the Blazers played especially poorly. It probably won't be this easy again. If the Lakers play like they did during the season (like tonight), they should win this series even if Lillard goes off. This is the playoffs; every team should always play with urgency. The Lakers will flat-out lose if they don't. It's encouraging that they have continued playing really good defense. The Lakers held the Blazers to 100 points in Game 1 when they were averaging 127 in the bubble.

Anyway...

Nothing to add regarding Heat vs. Pacers. I had my dietician appointment so I didn't get to watch the game.

The Rockets are playing far better than expected. I'll live with my cold take. I'm still rooting for the Thunder.

The Bucks blowing out the Magic was as expected. They'll be in trouble in later series (particularly against the Raptors) if Middleton doesn't remember how to play basketball.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 21, 2020, 07:47:18 PM
*sees notification on his phone*

Jazz-Nuggets Game 3:

Nuggets - 87
Jazz - 124

Well, the Jazz's tanking strategy during the bubble games seems to be paying off. We're not getting bounced out of the 1st round by the Rockets...again. They certainly seem to have the Nuggets' number. Looks like Mike Conley coming back after the birth of his kid didn't throw the team off any. It's been questionable this year whether the team is better or worse with him on it. I do see, as we've seen the entire season, Joe Ingles completely falls apart the moment Conley's on the floor.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2020, 12:28:08 AM
Nick Nurse got Coach of the Year. I would have given it to Billy Donovan because everyone expected the Thunder to be gar-baj this year. Still, can’t really argue with Nurse getting the nod especially if voters didn’t also want to give it to Mike Budenholzer again. The Raptors lost Kawhi Leonard and were perfectly fine.

Anyway...

The Pacers are on the verge of getting swept. The game shouldn’t have been this close as the Heat were up by 16 at halftime. The Pacers may be able to squeeze out a win on Monday, but this series is basically over.

Bucks vs. Magic is a waste of everyone’s time. The Magic are playing hard but simply can’t match the Bucks’ talent. Khris Middleton finally showed up.

Rockets vs. Thunder was the best game today so I’m disappointed I had to miss most of it. The end of regulation had me on the edge of my seat. Chris Paul almost had that ridiculous game winner. The Thunder’s game plan moving forward should be: get James Harden in foul trouble. The Rockets were flat out lose with him eliminated from the game.

The Blazers looked gassed. They played nine playoff level games before the actual playoffs. You can tell Lillard, McCollum, and Nukic lacked energy in the second half. There was a stretch in the fourth where neither team ran to the other side. The Lakers shot 33.3% from the arc which is where they need to be. Free throws were ass though.

The Sixers and Nets are about to get swept today. If the Sixers don’t just throw in the towel, they might be able to scrounge up a win. Even then, the series is as good as over. The Celtics just have to weather the storm. Without Simmons, the Sixers are playing like they can’t win.

If Luka Dončić doesn’t play, shut it down. The Mavericks can play well with him on the bench. Being out for the game/series will affect their mentality as a young team. I hope Paul George keeps shooting like poo poo.

I’m hoping the Jazz win. I’ll gladly eat crow for picking the Nuggets to win the series even if I was rooting for the Jazz.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 23, 2020, 06:39:05 PM
LUKA!!!!!

The Mavericks after beating the Clippers without Kristaps Porziņģis:
(https://i.ibb.co/3r3RjZh/EC4-F407-A-563-E-4-D55-87-DA-A4-CE9-BDDDDF5.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 24, 2020, 07:44:50 PM
Inside The NBA’s Ernie Johnson quoted Montrezl Harrell, and the internet knew exactly what to do.

https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1297753078532378624?s=20

Also, if you’re in the mood for more lulz, check a look at the Paul George slander all over Reddit. Some of my favorites include:
(https://i.ibb.co/s26Fc5z/52-A87259-1649-4874-92-C2-86-AA68148-E95.png)

(https://i.ibb.co/nDxDm2k/D07-AB260-A626-4099-B7-D4-4538-FC46029-B.jpg)

I expect the Clippers to bounce back. Just let me have this.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 26, 2020, 05:08:51 PM
I can't talk about it, but I really.... REALLY want to.

So we do this instead.
Bucks are first to respond. I hope all the rest follow suit.

(https://i.imgur.com/8008I9p.png)

ALL the other teams need to join and push an extra game.
The losing teams better not show up and take the W. That would be some bullshit, and they would never live it down. If your opponent is boycotting, you better join them. You can't protest on just the back of your jerseys. Take an actual stance by joining your fellow players boycott.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 26, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
Apparently the Lakers, Blazers, Thunder, Rockets and Magic have all joined the protest.

There will be NO NBA GAMES TODAY.

(https://i.imgur.com/X7ADtUS.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 26, 2020, 06:34:35 PM
Apparently the Lakers, Blazers, Thunder, Rockets and Magic have all joined the protest.

There will be NO NBA GAMES TODAY.

(https://i.imgur.com/X7ADtUS.png)

The League has bent over backwards to appease the players in these bubble games. Fans are banned from the generic stadium, players are free to have whatever China-sanctioned Social Justice Message they want on their jersey, and the players are free to disrespect the US National Anthem any time they want. The League should just cancel the playoffs at this point and send all the teams home if the Players are still going to pull this grandstanding B.S.

Hell, award this year's championship to the lottery team with the best record while they're at it.

They won't, of course. If I don't show up to work because I'm mad about an unrelated matter, I would be fired. NBA players, though, get a paycheck and a night at a 5 star resort while their employers look for a day that works better for them as they appease their poor, hurt, woefully-ignorant, mult-million dollar feelings.

Things like this are why relatively no one is watching the NBA's games right now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on August 26, 2020, 07:30:26 PM
Well, no one is watching an NBA game right now because there isn't one.

Technically speaking.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 26, 2020, 08:25:42 PM
I guess we can totally ignore the reason why a bunch of first generation millionaire in an 80% minority sport, most coming from low to middle class families, have finally had enough support and momentum to use the leverage of the position and national platform to actually demand action be taken in a cause we shouldn't have to still be fighting for, and shouldn't have to fight this hard for, by refusing to play a game for YOUR entertainment, because you'd rather they "shut up and dribble".

This is a videogame forum, so too keep this in topic, I'm gonna suggest you close the browser and go fire up your console of choice and play some NBA 2K20 to get your sport fix for the night.

What's happening right now is SOOOOO much bigger than the game being played. The Billionaire owners will be fine. The TV networks will be fine. Let's stop putting economic values over actual value of human life issues.

(https://i.imgur.com/QmjfYzN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Zj1BwkW.jpg)

P.s. Milwaukee Brewer's (and the rest of the MLB?) and the WNBA Teams have all decided to boycott playing today.
So it sounds like there are no sports for anyone for to not just what happened in Milwaukee several days ago, but the bullshit that conspired there during the protest last night.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: NWR_insanolord on August 26, 2020, 09:42:55 PM
It's not all of MLB, some games are still going on. MLS also canceled all but one of the games that were scheduled for tonight, with the one that is happening having started before the players union finalized their decision.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 26, 2020, 10:27:46 PM
The League should just cancel the playoffs at this point and send all the teams home if the Players are still going to pull this grandstanding B.S.
Ew. I can't grasp how anyone can even have this opinion. The NBPA is primarily made up of people of color, and you're accusing them of grandstanding, a word I'm not sure you actually know the definition of. People are dying. What is wrong with you?
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If I don't show up to work because I'm mad about an unrelated matter, I would be fired. NBA players, though, get a paycheck and a night at a 5 star resort while their employers look for a day that works better for them as they appease their poor, hurt, woefully-ignorant, mult-million dollar feelings.
Maybe you should look for a better job if you're so fucking appalled by other people's (clearly better) work environment and culture. The league and each organization can fine every single player who didn't show up to work today. They won't. I can take a PTO day tomorrow if I want. If you can't, maybe that's kind of your fault for staying at a job that doesn't allow you to, and you should stop taking that out on other people.

I'm not especially surprised you went full-broodwars® by calling other people ignorant while spreading ignorance. Many (especially younger) players don't actually make that much money after taxes, agent fees, union fees etc. Not everyone is Damian Lillard on a supermax contract.
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Things like this are why relatively no one is watching the NBA's games right now.
It's funny that you think everyone thinks like you.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2020, 12:21:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/uCuAx1j.jpg)

Chris Webber speaking his piece
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1298755867836321794?s=20

Kenny Smith walking off the Set
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1298751570369286145?s=20


Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on August 27, 2020, 02:28:11 AM
Let's be honest here: The players are in a position of privilege to be able to walk away from their jobs over an issue they care about and have people listen.  Many people who also care about these issues can't always just walk out and are seldom heard when they speak.  The players, whose hard work put them in this position, can be the voice for so many and keep these issues at the forefront.  They know this; they're just as impacted by these issues as people protesting; and they're doing something.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 27, 2020, 03:21:50 AM
Let's be honest here: The players are in a position of privilege to be able to walk away from their jobs over an issue they care about and have people listen.  Many people who also care about these issues can't always just walk out and are seldom heard when they speak.  The players, whose hard work put them in this position, can be the voice for so many and keep these issues at the forefront.  They know this; they're just as impacted by these issues as people protesting; and they're doing something.
Well said.

I’m conflicted over whether boycotting or continuing the playoffs is a better move going forward. Boycotting an entire day of games is a powerful statement. It remained on news cycles all day and will probably continue for the next few. Canceling the season however means losing the national platform the NBA provides the players on three major networks (ABC, ESPN, and TNT). After every game, LeBron James spoke about social injustice. This is bigger than basketball, but basketball offers a bigger platform for these players to speak out. I think the players are trying to get team owners to do more. Considering how much impact (especially large market) teams have on the local economy, there’s a lot they can do (admittedly less so right now due to COVID-19). Since players are the product in sports, they hold a lot of influence.

Basketball isn’t that important to me. I watch it, but people are dying and that’s clearly a more important matter. Most players in this league are black. Their experience is far more relevant than mine. While I’ve encountered racism firsthand, I’ll never truly understand the experience of black lives. To me, that’s an important thing to keep in mind. I don’t especially care if the season continues or not. I’ll support whatever the players decide to do.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2020, 09:27:06 AM
While I was originally in favor of them just sitting out the remainder of the season so that people don't lose focus, I see that that nothing will stop these injustices from happening until there is true reform. It's so amazing to see that a large portion and nice mix of the population has decided enough is enough. They've shown that Basketball (and other sports) on TV is not gonna be enough of a distraction to stop people from being upset, especially when we keep getting weekly reminders of why we need this change, because these bastards just can't help themselves.

So while I was originally in favor of them sitting this out, I think it's very important for them to continue using this platform, as we've just witnessed today the influence they have, by getting the WNBA, part of MLS and even a portion of the MLB to all STRIKE in protest to the not just the events in question, but in solidarity of the players on their teams that they consider friends and family, and their friends and family, that may all be affected by these events on a personal and lifelong level.

Also the CBA in the NBA would be breached if they didn't continue playing, and that could have a major financial impact on a very very large portion of the league if they have to renegotiate that in the COVID Economy down times. So I support which ever decision the players make, but I think the smarter choice for Social Awareness, Public Exposure, Leveraged influence, is to continually strike and further delay the displays of Nationwide Entertainment to bring light to matters of much greater importance, to not just the majority of players in the league, but the nation as a whole.


More relevant content.
Milwaukee Bucks putting it on the line:
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1298763148091166720?s=20

Demanding some action from their local representation. 👏🏾👏🏾
(https://i.imgur.com/0pUT4ny.jpg)

Doc Rivers statement from the day before 🙌🏾
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1298786988833857537?s=20

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgY6-hMU8AAtPFg?format=jpg&name=medium)

Tennis joining the Strike (proof of the strength of the NBA platform)
(https://i.imgur.com/dsO7xXN.jpg)

The bottom line.....
(https://i.imgur.com/UPootGa.jpg)
💯 America gotta do and be better.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
NBA is set to have a Governor's meeting (I assume that's a meeting of the team "owners" and league managing directors) in about 20 minutes - 11am EST.

Here's some highlights from the players meeting yesterday:
(https://i.imgur.com/aelkSEc.jpg%)

(https://i.imgur.com/lbXGcMk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7rBObUV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/x5hi2nd.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 27, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
The bottom line.....
(https://i.imgur.com/UPootGa.jpg)
💯 America gotta do and be better.
I agree though I also acknowledge this is the same country in which a frighteningly large portion of the population can't be bothered to wear a face covering to protect others and especially themselves so we have our work cut out for us.
NBA is set to have a Governor's meeting (I assume that's a meeting of the team "owners" and league managing directors) in about 20 minutes - 11am EST
I believe the term "owner" was officially changed last year despite, for example, pushback from Mark Cuban's white fragility. "Owner" as shorthand for "team owner" was innocuous though the change was for the best. I always found it awkward when black players referred to their "owners" even if I understood the context. Besides Dan Gibert's infamous Open Letter Comic Sans Tantrum®, no one equated team governors to slave owners (as far as we know; I wouldn't be surprised if one or more knew Jeffrey Epstein, but that's a topic for another day). Changing that terminology goes a long way toward normalizing respect toward minority communities.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2020, 12:13:03 PM
that was why I put "owner" in quotations, as I knew they opted to change the term. I just wasn't sure if that was to "Governor"

But it appears the Players and the League have come to an agreement to continue the Playoffs.

(https://i.imgur.com/pZzqrg7.png)

also looks like todays games are also "post-poned" so all players got a game off.
(https://i.imgur.com/rgy7EZo.png)

and I'm hoping the following is one of many concessions that the Players demanded as good will act in the name of change from the league to continue play.

(https://i.imgur.com/JuY2917.png)


I can only assume a formal press conference is happening at some point today to discuss the decision made to continue play and what concession/request/demands were made to continue to move forward.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 27, 2020, 06:59:29 PM
The League should just cancel the playoffs at this point and send all the teams home if the Players are still going to pull this grandstanding B.S.
Ew. I can't grasp how anyone can even have this opinion. The NBPA is primarily made up of people of color, and you're accusing them of grandstanding, a word I'm not sure you actually know the definition of. People are dying. What is wrong with you?
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If I don't show up to work because I'm mad about an unrelated matter, I would be fired. NBA players, though, get a paycheck and a night at a 5 star resort while their employers look for a day that works better for them as they appease their poor, hurt, woefully-ignorant, mult-million dollar feelings.
Maybe you should look for a better job if you're so fucking appalled by other people's (clearly better) work environment and culture. The league and each organization can fine every single player who didn't show up to work today. They won't. I can take a PTO day tomorrow if I want. If you can't, maybe that's kind of your fault for staying at a job that doesn't allow you to, and you should stop taking that out on other people.

I'm not especially surprised you went full-broodwars® by calling other people ignorant while spreading ignorance. Many (especially younger) players don't actually make that much money after taxes, agent fees, union fees etc. Not everyone is Damian Lillard on a supermax contract.
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Things like this are why relatively no one is watching the NBA's games right now.
It's funny that you think everyone thinks like you.

1. Grandstanding: "to play or act so as to impress onlookers" - Source (Webster's Dictionary)

These NBA players offer no solutions. They whine, they parade around slogans, and speak in generalities. They demand "societal change" while eagerly taking money from China, a nation openly practicing genocide right now among other atrocities.

2. I work in a critical role in a small business that can't afford for me to be out a day without 2 weeks notice, as I generate & coordinate all reports to our clients as well as process our highest-value invoices. I am the only person there who does what I do.  We are working on finding someone who can sub for me so I can afford to take more than handful of days off a year, but it's a slow process when the general populace is incompetent.

To elaborate on what I said before, though, it is rather tone-deaf for the NBA players to decide to just walk off the job when millions of people in the US, presumably some of which are among their fans, are unemployed.

3.  Viewership for the 2020 NBA Playoffs is down 40-50% compared to 2019. Yes, compared to the general size of the US populace, relatively no one is watching this year's playoffs. You can feel free to blame there being non-prime time playoff games this year, but regardless the playoffs have not been wildly successful so far.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/08/nba-playoff-ratings-abc-down-lakers-blazers/ (https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/08/nba-playoff-ratings-abc-down-lakers-blazers/)

4. Regarding the "People are dying. What is wrong with you?" and "ignorant" quips.

The NBA players are willfully ignorant regarding the shooting & crippling of Jacob Blake. Even by the time of their "strike" yesterday, information had been released by the police that showed Jacob Blake had multiple warrants for his arrest, including sexual assault. The police were on the scene because Blake was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be accosting a woman for her car keys. He resisted arrest & apparently a taser hit. He then proceeded to ignore the gun-pointing police officers & make his way back to his car. He then reached into the car as if to grab a weapon, and as it turns out there was a knife found right where he was reaching.

Now, you're a police officer & you have a suspect resisting arrest & going for a weapon. The taser has already failed & you don't have time to wait to see what the weapon the suspect is drawing is. You don't want to try to "tackle" him, Lebron James, because then you risk having a George Flynn all over again. The only logical choice there is to shoot to protect yourself. The shooting of Jacob Blake was completely justified by the facts of the case, and a court of law (if necessary) will prove that. Instead of following the facts of the case, though, the NBA players decided to declare "SYSTEMIC RACISM" and freak out (would you prefer that to "grandstanding")?

As for the kid arrested for killing 1 sex offender (yes, that has been confirmed) and wounding 2 other people, I leave this Twitter Thread from the New York Times. Read it. Don't read it. I don't care.

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 (https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809)

The kid should face consequences for bringing his gun across state lines, where it is illegal. That charge is perfectly valid. He should not have been there.

As for the shootings, though, the evidence so far shows they were in self-defense as the mob attempted to beat him to death (and self-defense against another gun-wielder in one instance). That will need to be proven in a court of law, of course, but I guarantee you that 1st Degree Murder Charge isn't going to stick just on the facts.

He was not shot by the police when attempting to turn himself in because he was not pointing a gun at the police. That is not systemic racism. That is "not being stupid".

And that is all I will say on these matters in this topic.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 27, 2020, 09:08:15 PM
From the original story I heard, the cops were on the scene because of a fight. Jacob was simply breaking that fight up according to all the eye witnesses. The cops then confronted him for whatever the reason, and tried to detain him, presumably before identifying him. He of course resisted, as he was not the reason they were there in the first place.
Not regardless of whatever his crimes may be, if the above is true, then what happened to him was unjustified. It took the cops till today to come up with an official story of their version of events.

after the fact I hear stories about a taser or he said "i'm gonna go get my knife", and I have to admit, that I haven't read all the stories or watched all the videos. All I know is in the moment that it happened, he was presumably not identified as a suspect with warrants, as he was not the reason they were called and was involved in the incident because he was trying to stop the fight.

But a large reason why the protest strikes happened yesterday is because of what happened the night before. Where the police, instead of enforcing a curfew, basically "Deputized" a bunch of Local Militia into patrolling the streets, thanking them for their service to the community. Moments later, one of these enabled gun toting supremacist shot a man in the head in a parking lot (a wound which later killed him).
Protestors then decided to try to tackle him and take his gun away, but he shot 2 more of them, also killing one of them as well, and causing permanent serious damage to another. So it was 2 Dead, 1 Badly injured. When he tried to turn himself in while still carrying his rifle, the police ignored him and went about their business, whatever that may have been.

Earlier it was also caught on tape by one of the gun toting "local militia" that the cops intended to drive the protestors down to then to "handle" so they could go home.

That is what really sparked the game play strike/boycott. It wasn't just that an unarmed black man got shot 7 times in the back, at point blank range, in front of his kids, but the continued mis-treatment of this and every attached situation by the police involved.

I love Basketball, and i Love that people can find common ground in rooting for a Sport Team of their choice, but these are just GAMES. Sports are not an essential job. It's a high paying entertainment game meant to provide fun and distraction for the population.
What the police are doing to Black People, people of color, and Protestors of all backgrounds on the street is not a GAME, it is deadly serious, and believe it or not, a lot the very same players in the GAME have not only themselves been out there, but have plenty of friends and family that are out there having their lives treated like a game by the Cops, as if their lives don't really matter.
So if they wanna band together and call in a "sick (and and tired of this bullshit) day" and all their fellow players that could never truly understand what if feels like, but want to stand by them off the court/field/etc the same as they would on it, the MORE POWER TO THEM.

I've seen countless videos of unarmed black men murdered, gunned down, executed in the street for simply walking away or trying to plead their case. Not guilty of any kind of serious crime.  Most not resisting, but considering the outcome of so many of these cases, who would blame them for trying?
Then I've seen countless videos of white men commit atrocious acts of violence get kindly get walked out alive. Or videos of white people physically and/or verbally assaulting a police officer and get every benefit of the doubt, even while brandishing a weapon. In more cases than not, they eventually walk away unscathed.
so don't give me "it's not system racism" bullshit.
that kid (17yr old "deputized" white kid illegally brandishing an open carry assault rifle seconds after multiple gunshots were fired) that tried to turn himself in, was ignored because he didn't fit the description of what they were looking to engage. plain and simple.

complete and utter horse **** to see it any other way. imo
don't try to bring up "facts" only stated days after the event, to try to justify actions from days ago.

But i'm gonna end this there. There are those that don't systemic racism has anything to do with these incidents regardless of the contradictory evidence. And I'm just gonna chalk it up to them not getting how it's so deeply ingrained and widespread in our society that it just not obvious enough to some.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2020, 12:52:06 AM
I didn't want to spend a ton of time on this considering you ended your post with "And that is all I will say on these matters in this topic" (suggesting you're not open or interested in a discussion), but here we are.
1. Grandstanding: "to play or act so as to impress onlookers" - Source (Webster's Dictionary)

These NBA players offer no solutions. They whine, they parade around slogans, and speak in generalities. They demand "societal change" while eagerly taking money from China, a nation openly practicing genocide right now among other atrocities.
What are your expectations here?

NBA players may not have independently described solutions in detail themselves, but they support campaigns that have already articulated solutions for reform. There are only so many different ways to say "Defund and demilitarize the police", "Stop voter suppression" etc. Each of those things have had a lot of words written about them. It isn't as if no one has suggested ways to use money normally allocated to police or to stop voter suppression.

I don't agree with your accusation of grandstanding considering how many players volunteer their time and money to give back to their communities. LeBron James, for example, opened up an entire school in Akron.

As for China, your assessment is reductive and unfair. Most players are indirectly taking money from China in that they're paid by the teams which take money from anyone they can including but not limited to China. Other players have promotional deals in China. You're trying to point out hypocrisy, but I guarantee you use products made in China. How's that PlayStation 4 treating you? You're also a Utah Jazz fan so you're supporting an organization that takes money from China. That said, I don't think you're in a position to be pointing fingers at anyone for this in particular. In order for this to be a fair criticism, the United States as a whole would have to cease dealing with China entirely until they stop *broadly gestures at the countless atrocities China is committing*

More importantly, your assertion on China doesn't invalidate the need for societal change in America.
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2. I work in a critical role in a small business that can't afford for me to be out a day without 2 weeks notice, as I generate & coordinate all reports to our clients as well as process our highest-value invoices. I am the only person there who does what I do.  We are working on finding someone who can sub for me so I can afford to take more than handful of days off a year, but it's a slow process when the general populace is incompetent.

To elaborate on what I said before, though, it is rather tone-deaf for the NBA players to decide to just walk off the job when millions of people in the US, presumably some of which are among their fans, are unemployed.
I'm sorry your work situation is such a flustercuck, but again, maybe you should look for a better job. I'm not implying that doing so is easy especially in the middle of a pandemic. However, your anger toward players who boycotted on Wednesday seems misdirected. It really isn't their fault that they work at a job that allows them to do what they did while you are not afforded the same luxury. I wonder if you're at all angry that we live in a socio-economic system that allows the small business you work for to even function the way you described.

If you really believe the players' actions are tone deaf, I'm not here to argue that. Personally, I think they put their livelihood on the line to use the platform available to them for a just cause. It isn't an unrelated matter to them because they live racism every day. Many of their family and friends still live in those communities even if the players moved up.
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3.  Viewership for the 2020 NBA Playoffs is down 40-50% compared to 2019. Yes, compared to the general size of the US populace, relatively no one is watching this year's playoffs. You can feel free to blame there being non-prime time playoff games this year, but regardless the playoffs have not been wildly successful so far.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/08/nba-playoff-ratings-abc-down-lakers-blazers/ (https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2020/08/nba-playoff-ratings-abc-down-lakers-blazers/)
I'm not arguing that viewership is down. You flat out said, "Things like this are why relatively no one is watching the NBA's games right now." You are claiming viewership is down due to things like grandstanding without a shred of evidence.
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4. Regarding the "People are dying. What is wrong with you?" and "ignorant" quips.

The NBA players are willfully ignorant regarding the shooting & crippling of Jacob Blake. Even by the time of their "strike" yesterday, information had been released by the police that showed Jacob Blake had multiple warrants for his arrest, including sexual assault. The police were on the scene because Blake was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be accosting a woman for her car keys. He resisted arrest & apparently a taser hit. He then proceeded to ignore the gun-pointing police officers & make his way back to his car. He then reached into the car as if to grab a weapon, and as it turns out there was a knife found right where he was reaching.
You're claiming the players are willfully ignorant when they haven't mentioned any of the above (which I'll have to fact check because I admittedly haven't read everything there is to read about the shooting of Jacob Blake). You're assuming they don't know the facts of the incident or they're blatantly ignoring the facts which is unfair because you're not privy to what they do and do not know. That said, people (including the players) are upset about this because Rusten Sheskey firing seven bullets seemed excessive. Was it excessive? I don't have enough information to make that call even if my gut is telling me yes.
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Now, you're a police officer & you have a suspect resisting arrest & going for a weapon. The taser has already failed & you don't have time to wait to see what the weapon the suspect is drawing is. You don't want to try to "tackle" him, Lebron James, because then you risk having a George Flynn all over again. The only logical choice there is to shoot to protect yourself. The shooting of Jacob Blake was completely justified by the facts of the case, and a court of law (if necessary) will prove that. Instead of following the facts of the case, though, the NBA players decided to declare "SYSTEMIC RACISM" and freak out (would you prefer that to "grandstanding")?
That's a weird take.
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As for the kid arrested for killing 1 sex offender (yes, that has been confirmed) and wounding 2 other people, I leave this Twitter Thread from the New York Times. Read it. Don't read it. I don't care.

https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809 (https://twitter.com/trbrtc/status/1298839097923063809)

The kid should face consequences for bringing his gun across state lines, where it is illegal. That charge is perfectly valid. He should not have been there.
While you acknowledged that Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there, it's super weird that you mentioned he killed a sex offender because that's irrelevant. Stop trying to distort what happened here and somewhat justify what Rittenhouse did because of who he killed. It doesn't matter that Joseph Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender. He shouldn't have been murdered.

Also, Rittenhouse killed two people, not one. It's strange that you provided a link to that Twitter thread yet don't know a key detail about the incident when it's mentioned in the very first Tweet. Hmm.

Finally, Rittenhouse was charged with five felonies:
This does not even include the fact that he cannot legally own a gun because he's a minor then as you already mentioned, brought it across state lines.
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As for the shootings, though, the evidence so far shows they were in self-defense as the mob attempted to beat him to death (and self-defense against another gun-wielder in one instance). That will need to be proven in a court of law, of course, but I guarantee you that 1st Degree Murder Charge isn't going to stick just on the facts.
The mental gymnastics you're performing here to justify this is mind-boggling.
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He was not shot by the police when attempting to turn himself in because he was not pointing a gun at the police. That is not systemic racism. That is "not being stupid".
It is systemic racism because the treatment would not be the same if Rittenhouse was black. Several police vehicles drove right past a white boy carrying a semi-automatic weapon. Video evidence shows that while Rittenhouse did have his hands up, he actually reaches down and touches his gun a couple times right in front of police while walking towards them (at one point, he held the barrel for a few seconds). They didn't even arrest him then. After killing two people and wounding another, Rittenhouse was able to flee back to Illinois where he was finally arrested.

You also conveniently left out the part where video evidence shows a white police officer gave Rittenhouse and his white associates some water and said, "We appreciate you guys, we really do." A police officer said this to armed civilians who shouldn't have even been in Wisconsin in the first place yet you're claiming this wasn't systemic racism. Why did Kenosha police need help and from civilians no less? The police were in big, armored vehicles. No way any of that happens if Rittenhouse and co. were black.

The fact that you justified the shooting and crippling of Jacob Blake then in the same post, leaned in to defend Kyle Rittenhouse unprompted pretty much tells me everything I need to know about you as a person.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2020, 01:47:57 AM
You were able to articulate that so much better than my likely mess of a post. You made some of the same points as me, and I didn't go back to read mine (as I was typing it between other task, so it may be disjointed with many misspelling, and wanted to get it sent before I completely forgot about it till the next day), but I'll just say, you said it better than me in the points we both touched on 😁
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 28, 2020, 06:09:37 AM
*sigh* Man, Adrock, you sure like to read emotion and intent into something where there was none. I made a concerted effort when I wrote all that to just stick to the facts as I knew them, and some of those facts (like the 2nd person in the Rittenhouse shootings dying of their injuries & the additional felony charges) happened without me being aware of them. I hadn't seen any new information on this matter since that morning/early afternoon, and these situations change quickly.

Also, going after a typo as indication of something sinister? Really? Have you ever seen one of my posts? I'll write up 2 paragraphs, go back to change a few words, and end up cutting something else, leaving it ending on something nonsensical. Hell, my last post included a paragraph that ended on a completely nonsensical reference to "virtue signaling" I ended up cutting the word but accidentally leaving in the question. I was in a rush to type up something I'd been thinking about all day, but didn't want to attempt to post until I had access to a keyboard. Nothing more.

I ended my previous post the way I did because this subject is extremely political, and politics are specifically banned on this site. I left that bit at the end to make it clear to the mods that I wasn't intending to push any further on the subject.

Regarding the "water" thing, Rittenhouse was apparently operating as an EMT during the riots prior to the shooting, in addition to his self-appointed guard duties. The Wisconsin Governor had deployed IIRC only 250 of the 750 National Guard members that were requested to keep the peace that evening. The police were pretty much grateful to anyone attempting to assist them in keeping the peace while yet another American city burned with the tacit approval of the local government. From what I understand, the police gave him that water prior to the shooting, when nothing had happened.

No, I'm not choked up about Rittenhouse killing a convicted pedophile in apparent self defense.

As I said in my previous post, Rittenhouse will be judged in a court of law, and the story as I knew it will have to be proven. I do, however, believe based on the New York Times' video tracking he was overcharged at 1st Degree Murder. The gun charges will stick because they are indisputable and well-deserved. He should absolutely be punished for those. The reckless endangerment charges will also probably stick, and I don't have an issue with that.

As for Blake, I was making a point about the general lack of public knowledge about the details of the case, eager as they are to jump to conclusions and start riots these days. Even BlackNMild didn't know the story about him being there to "stop 2 women fighting" had been debunked for at least a day.

I don't particularly care what you think of me, Adrock. However, I've been on this site a good many years, so I was not about to allow you to insinuate certain things about my character here.

And with that, back to bed.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2020, 11:27:09 AM
...some of those facts (like the 2nd person in the Rittenhouse shootings dying of their injuries & the additional felony charges) happened without me being aware of them. I hadn't seen any new information on this matter since that morning/early afternoon, and these situations change quickly.
It was in the link you provided, in the first Tweet no less. My understanding is Tweets cannot be edited. You literally said, "Read it. Don't read it. I don't care." And yes, I read it before I responded, and now, I'm not convinced you even read it.
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Also, going after a typo as indication of something sinister? Really?
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From what I understand, the police gave him that water prior to the shooting, when nothing had happened.
Irrelevant. It doesn't matter when it happened but rather that it happened. Police treated Rittenhouse with kindness in a situation he had no business being part of when they wouldn't extend the same courtesy to a black teenager. They didn't even check if he legally owned that gun. Again, this is systemic racism.

A white boy brandished a gun in a crowd of people then actually committed murder. History shows black people have been killed by police for far less.
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I ended my previous post the way I did because this subject is extremely political, and politics are specifically banned on this site. I left that bit at the end to make it clear to the mods that I wasn't intending to push any further on the subject.
I'm trying to be respectful in my responses so if mods tell us to cut it out, then I'll cut it out.
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No, I'm not choked up about Rittenhouse killing a convicted pedophile in apparent self defense.
Okay, but that's beside the point and not relevant. Rittenhouse didn't go to Kenosha to kill a registered sex offender; he went there to play vigilante for the day and happened to kill a registered sex offender. The details of Rosenbaum's criminal past in no way changes the context of Rittenhouse's crime because they're not related. Attempting to conflate the two is a straight up strawman, and you need to stop that.
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I don't particularly care what you think of me, Adrock. However, I've been on this site a good many years, so I was not about to allow you to insinuate certain things about my character here.
I mean, you took the time to write a lot of words "defending yourself" (which I addressed above) and not addressing almost everything else so I kind of disagree with you there.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 28, 2020, 04:45:47 PM
Chris Paul sharing:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcXPEIhueC/?igshid=ekgwopa54zjj
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on August 28, 2020, 05:22:35 PM
Chris Paul sharing:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEcXPEIhueC/?igshid=ekgwopa54zjj
There ain't a white man in this room that'd change places with me... and I'm rich." - Chris Rock (https://youtu.be/VJmvfbDdhFg?t=144)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on August 31, 2020, 05:13:38 PM
I'm dropping this here, mostly in response to Broodwars, but it's John Oliver soaking in the NBA Protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBu0BRTx2x8

Honestly, I suggest just watching the whole thing.
NBA portion is 2nd half tho.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on August 31, 2020, 06:01:06 PM
After last night's loss to the Denver Nuggets, Donovan Mitchell & Rudy Gobert apparently got quite angry with the team. I have a sneaking suspicion that if the Jazz lose this series after being up 3-1, there's going to be a major shake-up of the team. As previously mentioned, it's been questionable this season whether the Jazz are better with or without Mike Conley. I'm on the side that it's definitely worse with him on the court. He puts up the stats, no doubt about that, but the team as a whole definitively plays worse. Royce O'Neal & Joe Ingles pretty much vanish without the ball touches that Conley takes up. Add Bogdanovic to the lineup, and no one gets in sync.

I think the Mike Conley experiment might be just about done.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 01, 2020, 12:09:34 AM
Russell Westbrook is still trying to play his way back. He was awful in the fourth quarter. An airball then a turnover. I'm rooting for the Thunder because I haaaaaaaaaate James Harden's game. And he was practically running away from the ball at the end there. It’s a close out game. What are you doing? Conversely, Chris Paul just would not let the Thunder lose. His teammates did not make it easy at times. They have to stop shooting those dumb three pointers with like 15 seconds on the shot clock. I love the narrative in this series, but it's bad. I have such a hard time watching the Rockets. I don't want to watch them play the Lakers. I still think the Lakers win either way; I just don't want more Rockets in my life.

The Heat didn't really steal Game 1. They're the only team with a winning record against the Bucks. Jimmy Butler didn't play in the only game the Bucks won against the Heat during the season (and it was in the bubble). I still think Giannis Antetokounmpo can be taken out of games. We'll see if this is the year he pushes through and gets to that next level in the post-season. I have the Heat winning this series. It should be competitive. This isn't a great matchup for the Bucks.

I'm not worried about the Raptors. They laid an egg, but that isn't who they are. They weren't focused, missed a lot of wide open shots. Credit the Celtics for taking advantage of it. The Raptors will be fine in Game 2. This should be one of the better Semi-Conference Finals series.

If the Jazz lose this series after going up 3-1, they should be banned next year.

I really like storylines. I'd love to see Lakers vs. Heat in the Finals just to have Lebron play against his former team. I want the Lakers to win. However, I don't care who wins as long as it isn't the Clippers especially after Marcus Morris' unsportsmanlike conduct in Games 5 and 6, and the way Doc Rivers defended it. **** that noise. There's no place for that. Don't try to injury opposing players. What’s wrong with you? I'm glad the Lakers' got the apparently not-evil Morris twin.

Brandon Ingram won Most Improved Player. The homer in me is happy for him, but I would have given it to Luka Dončić. He's an MVP candidate in his second year.

Speaking for Most Valuable Player, we all agree its Giannis Antetokounmpo, right? He averaged 30 points while playing like 13 minutes a game. Lebron is Lebron every year. I get it, but he wasn't better than Antetokounmpo who also won Defensive Player of the Year. It was a toss up with Anthony Davis for me. I could have gone either way with that one. If it helps Davis play with a chip on his shoulder for the rest of the playoffs, I'll take that over him winning some award.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 01, 2020, 09:14:51 PM
*glances at the score*

And so ends another season of mediocrity after many lofty promises by Jazz management.

Edit: OK, time to watch the team blow up. Typical Jazz...battle back from double-digits down to choke right at the end. On the upside, I can go back to ignoring the NBA while the Lakers sleepwalk their way to another championship.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 02, 2020, 01:27:38 PM
Well, there's increased Twitter chatter in the possibility of a Bucks early exit from the playoffs vs the Heat.
And that leading to Giannis forcing a trade to Golden State.

As much as I'd LOVE to see it happen 😈
I'm not sure how likely it is to happen.
But damn would the league be salty as ****. 🤣
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on September 02, 2020, 09:05:30 PM
GS doesn't need another OP roster.  I think Giannis should really consider exploring his options though.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 02, 2020, 09:16:17 PM
Well, at least I can take solace that one of the players currently kicking Milwaukee's ass is Jae Crowder, who last season was a Jazz player and one I was really sad to see go during the off-season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 03, 2020, 12:57:24 AM
Well, there's increased Twitter chatter in the possibility of a Bucks early exit from the playoffs vs the Heat.
And that leading to Giannis forcing a trade to Golden State.

As much as I'd LOVE to see it happen 😈
I'm not sure how likely it is to happen.
But damn would the league be salty as ****. 🤣
I'm all for salt; I just don't know how the Warriors get Giannis Antetokounmpo via trade without including Steph Curry or Klay Thompson because no one wants Andrew Wiggins period and Draymond Green isn't worth his contract on any other team except the Warriors. They had to pay him because he's the heart of the team, but he doesn't have that emotional currency with the other 29 teams. Let's be realistic, no way the Warriors trade Curry. That said, Thompson coming off a major injury and the second pick is still a tough sell to the Bucks. Maybe they bring in a third team, but who helps the Warriors land Giannis Antetokounmpo?

Is there a general manager as bold as Masai Ujiri willing to take a chance on Antetokounmpo for a year before he opts out? Obviously, there's Ujiri himself, but who do the Raptors give up? The Bucks would demand Pascal Siakam as a start and probably OG Anunoby. The Raptors are deep, but do you gut your entire team for Antetokounmpo? Yeah, probably. Hopefully, they would still have enough pieces to make a title run.

The Jazz could dangle Rudy Gobert, maybe Bojan Bogdanović, and as many picks and swaps as they can to make one title run, hope they win a title, and use that as the entire free agency pitch. A duo of Donovan Mitchell and Giannis Antetokounmpo would be nice.

Otherwise, I wouldn't sleep on the Mavericks. If they offer Kristaps Porziņģis, I think the Bucks take that offer. However, the Mavs have been clearing cap space to pair Antetokounmpo with Porziņģis and Luka Dončić so do they take Giannis Antetokounmpo because he's available or roll the dice hoping they land him in free agency?

Then again, many teams have been clearing cap space for a run at Antetokounmpo in 2021. Every team I listed so far will get a meeting (except maybe the Jazz because I'm not familiar with their cap situation). The Lakers will get a meeting (they aren't getting him no matter how nice they are to his brother). The Knicks will get a meeting (but, you know, Knicks gonna Knick). Assuming Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn't get traded and doesn't re-sign with the Bucks, the Heat make a lot of sense as a free agent destination. If I was a betting man, that's where I'd put my money. My dark horse would be the Mavs. For everyone else in free agency:
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 03, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
Brooklyn Nets hire Hall of Famer Steve Nash as head coach (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29800840/nets-hire-hall-famer-steve-nash-head-coach)

I didn’t see this coming. I always liked Nash’s game. As a two-time MVP (and a consultant with the Warriors during Durant’s time there), he should have the respect of the players, notably Durant and Irving.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 03, 2020, 11:38:53 AM
Well, there's increased Twitter chatter in the possibility of a Bucks early exit from the playoffs vs the Heat.
And that leading to Giannis forcing a trade to Golden State.

As much as I'd LOVE to see it happen 😈
I'm not sure how likely it is to happen.
But damn would the league be salty as ****. 🤣
I'm all for salt; I just don't know how the Warriors get Giannis Antetokounmpo via trade without including Steph Curry or Klay Thompson because no one wants Andrew Wiggins period and Draymond Green isn't worth his contract on any other team except the Warriors.

Well, this is what was proposed on Twitter as a conversation starter:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef6M1E2XoAMscns?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

Now this is if Giannis request a trade, forcing the team to make a move. And if he specifically requested to be traded to GS. Would the above be enough? Do you think we could give less? Maybe keeping that Minnesota pick for 2021? Maybe keeping Paschal? Is the idea just laughable w/o touching Klay in the trade?

edit: under the goal of signing Giannis to GS, is there a better avenue?
should we just wait a year and get his as a FA?

edit: And just for conversation sake, if Giannis were to make a forced trade, where do you think he would most likely land? and what would that team(s) have to give up to make it happen?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 03, 2020, 02:44:50 PM
Now this is if Giannis request a trade, forcing the team to make a move. And if he specifically requested to be traded to GS. Would the above be enough? Do you think we could give less? Maybe keeping that Minnesota pick for 2021? Maybe keeping Paschal? Is the idea just laughable w/o touching Klay in the trade?
Antetokounmpo can request a trade all he wants; the Bucks don't have to trade him and certainly not to his destination of choice. My point was the Bucks don't and shouldn't want Andrew Wiggins for the next three years. Why would they take that contract? I don't even know why the Warriors made that trade for what they got in return. Losing Antetokounmpo means the Bucks are no longer in contention, and Wiggins doesn't help the Bucks in any way. His max contract would take up cap space the Bucks could use to absorb bad contracts in exchange for draft picks that could be packaged later for better draft picks or players.

To answer your questions: No. No. Probably not, no. Maybe. Yes.
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edit: under the goal of signing Giannis to GS, is there a better avenue?
should we just wait a year and get his as a FA?

edit: And just for conversation sake, if Giannis were to make a forced trade, where do you think he would most likely land? and what would that team(s) have to give up to make it happen?
I answered most of these in my previous post.

1. under the goal of signing Giannis to GS, is there a better avenue? should we just wait a year and get his as a FA?
2. And just for conversation sake, if Giannis were to make a forced trade, where do you think he would most likely land? and what would that team(s) have to give up to make it happen?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 04, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
Oh no... Jimmy Butler outscored the Bucks 15 to 13 in the fourth quarter. The Bucks are starting to look like Mike Budenholzer's 2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks, best regular season record that got swept in the playoffs.

Giannis Antetokounmpo: I'm gonna take my talents to South Beach and join the Miami Heat.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 04, 2020, 09:19:55 PM
Do the Durant.

But don't do the Durant. Come to the Bay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 07, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
That was gross.

I missed most of the Bucks vs. Heat game because I didn't realize how early it started. Just because Antetokounmpo got injured doesn't mean you get an auto-win. Middleton was ridiculous so credit to him and the Bucks. Still, that game was the Heat's to lose.

The Lakers won but not from a lack of trying. I don't think I've ever said as many F-words as during that third quarter. This isn't complicated:
There. That's how to win the next three games.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 08, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Heh.

I can't help but take some small pleasure in watching the team primarily responsible for holding up these simulated playoffs get ejected in 5 against against the Heat.

I know it won't happen, but it would just be delightful if the 2 LA teams would join them shortly, making 3 out of the 4 teams fighting for that players strike on Fishing Leave. I can at least get behind the Nuggets in the Finals. Paul Millsap deserves a shot at a ring. Unfortunately, that also leaves the possibility that Flopping James Harden gets a ring, but you can't win them all.

On the subject of trades, the Jazz will never trade Bogdanovic. He was our best player during the regular season, including Mitchell. If he hadn't been injured, we would have won that series with Denver and could have been a dark horse for the conference finals.

I can easily see us trading Gobert, though. He visibly fell to pieces in the playoffs once he learned he wouldn't get a 3rd Time DPOY award. He's trying to advocate for a Supermax contract, and the Jazz are not going to give it to him. He's too inconsistent and too emotional, plus Centers around the league have figured out his game. I think we end up trading him or cutting him loose soon.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 09, 2020, 01:48:38 AM
Saw this on r/NBA.
(https://i.imgur.com/PmslM27.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 10, 2020, 12:09:04 AM
The Raptors vs Celtics Double overtime extravaganza was excellent. I died like three times during the end of regulation and the overtimes.

Clippers vs. Nuggets was poo poo. I’m rooting for the Nuggets, but they’re straight up outclassed. They need another piece or two. I would have rather watched Donovan Mitchell.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Well, good on the Nuggets for finally showing a little life after once again being down 1-3 to the Clippers. Hopefully, they can keep that up.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 11, 2020, 09:44:28 PM
Denver had to eliminate the Clippers. Or at least take them to a game 7 and tire them out.

I'm not exactly rooting for the Lakers, except against the Rockets.
But I'm also not looking for an LA WCF matchup either, even if it would be a good watch.

But then again, I do want to see the winner take the Lakers 7 games too meet up against the Heat who is well rested and fully healthy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 11, 2020, 09:44:50 PM
I'll admit I stopped watching Clippers vs. Nuggets at halftime. I tuned back in the fourth quarter and the Nuggets were only down by two. When they got the lead, I thought they were going to blow it at least partially because they just could not stop leaving Kawhi Leonard open from the arc. The Nuggets stole one tonight because Clippers gonna Clip. The end there was really good. I get y'all aren't watching because your team isn't playing. I arbitrarily root for the Lakers, but I'm a basketball fan first. There have been some damn good games in these playoffs.

The narrative was so stupid going into Game 5. The internet has been slandering Paul Millsap for weeks. The Clippers essentially neutralized Jamaal Murray. And Michael Porter Jr. threw Michael Malone under the bus, complaining about plays not being called for him (chill, bro... you're a rookie). What happens? Millsap apparently leads a third quarter comeback (which I missed), Murray made some big shots (he didn't call bank on that one three-pointer), then Porter Jr. slaps the Clippers with big-dick energy three to four plays in a row in the last two minutes: Drains a three-pointer, blocks an Ivica Zubac dunk, then hits ALL of his free throws even after Pat Beverley whispered some **** to him. I'm going to ignore his personal politics for a minute and just appreciate how well he played.

I'm going to stop typing because I don't want to miss Game 7 of Raptors vs Celtics. I did finally finish The Last Dance and have some feelingz about it. I don't know if that belongs here or the Movies & TV child board.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 11, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
Paul Millsap was my favorite player on the Jazz when he was with us. The guy was just a junkyard dog, fighting and clawing with everything he got, which is everything you could hope for in a Jazz man. He faded into the background a bit during the playoffs, but I'm glad to see him fighting back again. Hell, I wish he could hit 3 Pointers when he was with us. He couldn't hit beyond 6 feet of the rim when he was on the Jazz.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 12, 2020, 10:34:02 PM
Well, on the downside the Lakers advance to the next round. On the brightside, James Harden does not, so I guess it all evens out.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 13, 2020, 03:40:26 PM
The Clippers are looking like frauds.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 13, 2020, 10:48:37 PM
The Clippers are looking like frauds.

You might remember that I was very critical of the Clippers constantly resting Kawhi Leonard throughout the season, especially on the 2nd night of back-to-backs (and, really, when they did rest him that team wasn't very scary). If they end up crashing & burning against the Nuggets of all teams in Round 2 after pulling that stunt all season, I'm going to be so happy.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 15, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
End of regulation and overtime of Celtics vs. Heat was AMAZING. I'm rooting for the Heat in this series so I'm happy with the outcome.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 15, 2020, 11:33:59 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA... Clippers gonna Clip. Look at these fucking frauds. I can’t wait to read all the Clippers slander.
Clippers vs. Nuggets was poo poo. I’m rooting for the Nuggets, but they’re straight up outclassed. They need another piece or two. I would have rather watched Donovan Mitchell.
I will gladly eat this crow. Thanks for eliminating these chokers, Nuggets.

Jamal Murray started changing my mind when he ran right over to Donovan Mitchell and congratulated him on a good series. I hated how Murray clowned Lonzo Ball (not his fault his dad sucks), but I appreciate good sportsmanship. Not sold yet though I’ll admit he has balled out these playoffs.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 15, 2020, 11:39:52 PM
Good on the Nuggets for taking out the Clippers, the perpetual Washington Generals of the NBA.  :D

I'd like to see them take out the Lakers and move on to the Finals, unlikely as that may be (at least until the Lakers go up 3-1). Right now, 3 out of the remaining 4 teams are all ones with multiple championships, and I can't imagine a Finals more boring than Yet Another Lakers-Celtics Finals.

I'd really like to see some new blood in the Finals. The Raptors got their 1st championship last year, so why not the Nuggets for their 1st this year?

On a side note, I'll be surprised if Doc Rivers still has a job a week from now, not after this latest performance.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2020, 06:04:24 AM
End of regulation and overtime of Celtics vs. Heat was AMAZING. I'm rooting for the Heat in this series so I'm happy with the outcome.

I was stood up for that BLOCK at the end of OT.
Tatum thought he was about the drop the hammer, and was it Bam that sent his ass packing?
That was **** was amazing.

and I didn't watch the next game, but HAHAHAHAHAHA Clips are out!! and they join the blown 3-1 Lead List. HAHA
I know some people thought it wasn't gonna happen (I didn't really believe it myself), but the Nugs better make the next series a good one.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Shaymin on September 16, 2020, 06:41:11 AM
Nikola Jokic is what, 7-1 in games with his team facing elimination? Unbelievable.

(Also he's now gone to the conference finals as many times as Carmelo has. Hah!)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 17, 2020, 09:46:35 PM
Another good game tonight. Heat are up 2-0. I kind of wish Game 1 of this series was tonight because the Western Conference Finals starts tomorrow. Oh well.

I would like to see Heat vs. Lakers in the Finals. Obviously, I'm rooting for the Lakers, but I'm fine any team at this point.

The Clippers slander the last couple days will fuel me until next season. I imagine they'll come back more humble and hopefully sans Patrick Beverley. Pat Bev trick y'all, man, like he playing defense. He don't guard nobody, man. It's just running around, doing nothing...
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 20, 2020, 10:14:47 PM
ANTHONY DAVIS FOR THREE!!!

Good game; bad win. Y'all gotta watch these games. They're fun!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 21, 2020, 02:29:52 AM
I really should comment more after these games on here but I am usually on Silver Screen and Roll. 


Yeah Lakers have been outstanding these playoffs.  I think the Lakers are going to win it in 5 if we are shooting well. 6 if not.     

AD is so good and his play in these playoffs has made me even more happy we got him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 22, 2020, 11:34:11 PM
Well, now that the Lakers have lost a game to the Nuggets this series, they might want to consider losing another one and not bringing the series to 3-1. I hear that hasn't been working out so well for Nuggets opponents of late.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2020, 11:42:23 PM
There it is. Lakers win. Series is over. The Nuggets in seven. 🤷‍♀️

I expect the Heat to win tomorrow night. Even though I want them to win the series, I hope the Celtics to win Game 5. I'd rather the Eastern Conference Finals last longer than the Western Conference Finals. If the Lakers win (they should), I want them to get the extra rest.

Semi-related: TNT's commentators are terrible. Chris Webber is pretty bad, but I think he can get better with more practice. Reggie Miller is infuriatingly awful at commentary and has been for years. If I took a drink every time he referred to the Nuggets as "the comeback kids", I would have died in the second quarter. I hope Mark Jackson (who wasn't on tonight) gets a new coaching job just so I don't have to listen to him on commentary anymore.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 25, 2020, 09:30:26 AM
I was gonna post some memes here I saw, but never made it on to the computer to do it.

(https://i.imgur.com/5kpadnh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UtAiNB3.png)

I sent these my my boy that's a Laker fan, but I'm not sure he found it amusing. LOL
"The Comeback Kids"!!! LOL

But it looks like Lebron calculated the odds on the red pill and decided to take a win and hope the Nuggets don't pull off the first ever 3x 3-1 comeback in NBA History. if this goes to Game 7, it will likely be more MUST WATCH than the actual NBA Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 25, 2020, 07:22:57 PM
This series is so stressful and on top of that the interaction with Denver fans is frustrating. Still I am glad the Lakers are up 3-1.  Yes the Nuggets are a good team and have came back from a 3-1 deficit twice already but I am more confident about closing out the Nuggets in the next two games than the Jazz and Clippers chances.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 26, 2020, 11:41:11 PM
Well, Denver's luck and the unusual circumstances surrounding this year's playoffs had to run out eventually. 1-3 comebacks are rare for a reason.

I'm struggling to imagine a more boring NBA Finals than 3 multi-year championship teams bickering over who gets to add yet another set of rings to their pot, but here we are. I couldn't care less who wins now.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on September 27, 2020, 03:29:32 AM
Wouldn't this be Miami's fist ring without Wade?  That's a difference. Plus it's Jimmy butler's first. Or a revival of the Celtics/Lakers rivalry. Those should be exciting enough, no?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 27, 2020, 03:44:23 AM
Wouldn't this be Miami's fist ring without Wade?  That's a difference. Plus it's Jimmy butler's first. Or a revival of the Celtics/Lakers rivalry. Those should be exciting enough, no?
I think Broodwars is he is tired of reruns and it isn't as exciting for him.

But yeah you are right Nickmitch this would be the Heats first title without Wade.

I am excited for either the Celtics or Heat. It doesn't matter to me either way. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 28, 2020, 03:33:18 AM
Well the NBA finals are set.  LA Lakers versus the Miami Heat. I think it will be Lakers in 5 or 6 depending on if the Lakers shooters are consistent.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 28, 2020, 05:42:17 PM
Doc Rivers out as LA Clippers head coach, sources say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29995811/doc-rivers-la-clippers-head-coach-sources-say)

I’m surprised this didn’t happen sooner. I’m disappointed because dragging the Clippers has been such a big part of my NBA entertainment the last month or so, and Rivers was such a big part of that.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on September 28, 2020, 06:45:51 PM
Doc Rivers out as LA Clippers head coach, sources say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29995811/doc-rivers-la-clippers-head-coach-sources-say)

Yeah, that was definitely the easiest prediction I've made all season, considering all that "load management" they did with Leonard only to fall apart in the playoffs anyway.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on September 28, 2020, 08:44:28 PM
Yeah, that was definitely the easiest prediction I've made all season, considering all that "load management" they did with Leonard only to fall apart in the playoffs anyway.
Nah, that doesn't track at all. Load management worked literally last year with the same player you're failing to dunk all over. Also, every team in the bubble was coming off four months of rest. Just stop pushing that narrative, man. It's objectively incorrect.

While I loved dragging the Clippers this year, I'll offer some actual analysis. There were telltale signs the Clippers were poised to implode. While they had the most talented team on paper, they didn't seem to like each other very much nor were they on the same page (e.g. Layoff P said it wasn't a championship-or-bust season [contradicting what he said earlier in the season] while Lemon Pepper Lou said literally the exact opposite). The Nuggets exposed very specific holes in the Clippers’ roster notably the lack of both a primary playmaker and interior presence outside of Ivica Zubac who Nikola Jokic is just flat-out better than in every way. Guess how the Lakers beat the Nuggets? For those who didn't watch the Western Conference Finals, the tl;dw version is LeBron James is one of the best ball handlers/playmakers in the league and Frank Vogel put Dwight Howard on Jokic who was subsequently neutralized for large swaths of those games.

Regarding Doc Rivers specifically, he refused to make any meaningful adjustments and relied on talent to attempt to brute force his way through the playoffs. Jokic was bullying Harrell for his lunch money every game, and Rivers just would not do anything else. Rivers as a coach has been riding on that one 2008 Celtics title. He typically shows more actual coaching when he has less to work with (e.g. when he coached the Magic, last year's Clippers).

With a new coach and most likely some personnel changes (i.e. Harrell probably leaves in free agency so they'll have to replace him), the Clippers can bounce back next year. Hopefully, they drop this nonsense:
(https://i.ibb.co/fQM3rxy/F2-E1-E87-F-DF6-C-4-CBF-A410-30-B317-E5-DF8-D.jpg)
The working man's team narrative falls apart at the top considering Steve Ballmer is wealthier than like the next six NBA team owners combined.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
LA Clippers president Lawrence Frank wins NBA Executive of the Year Award (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30071701/la-clippers-president-lawrence-frank-wins-nba-executive-year-award)

The NBA Bubble® is the gift that keep on giving. It should be noted that all the NBA awards are based on the regular season and pre-bubble, and I believe votes were cast in July. Lawrence Frank winning this award shouldn't be funny, but it's still pretty funny. I understand why he won (e.g. the Clippers added two superstars), but I would have put him at second or third.

It should have gone to Sam Presti. He traded two max players, got a wealth of picks in return, and the Thunder were still good. I don't especially care about these awards. However, I think Executive of the Year shouldn't be voted on until after the NBA Finals because I don't think you can grade an executive's moves until you see how they play out in the post-season. Even with a first round exit, I still think Presti deserves the praise. We won't know how those draft picks turn into for years. It shouldn't matter. We didn't know the Clippers were going to choke in the playoffs either.

Anyway, I picked Lakers in six games for each of their series. While I expect them to win the series, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong again in either direction. I hope they close out the Finals tonight. If they win tonight, that Anthony Davis trade will have been well worth it even if he leaves (he won't) because it's hard enough to win one of these things.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on October 09, 2020, 11:42:01 PM
I hope they close out the Finals tonight.
So much for that. 🤷‍♀️

Danny Green missed another wide open three pointer with seven seconds left.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 09, 2020, 11:56:41 PM
This game was won by Butler getting foul calls and on Markieff on that bad lob pass to AD that sailed out of bounds.    Green, KCP and LeBron was open.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on October 10, 2020, 01:56:18 AM
This game was won by Butler getting foul calls and on Markieff on that bad lob pass to AD that sailed out of bounds.    Green, KCP and LeBron was open.
That last foul on Anthony Davis that put Jimmy Butler on the free throw line normally doesn't get called that late in a Finals game. There was a case for verticality. More importantly, Butler got five offensive rebounds. The Heat only had nine in the game, but it felt like roughly infinity more. It was like 10:45 PM EST and I straight up yelled "GET A GODDAMN REBOUND FOR ****'S SAKE!" right out loud. Sorry, neighbors.

The Lakers also gave up two four-point plays. They also technically gave up a six-point play (three-point play off a flagrant foul then Duncan Robinson hit a three). Like how do you even manage that in a Finals game? Until the fourth quarter, every time the Lakers got within a couple points or even tied, they would do some dumb **** like that and give the Heat another cushion. Most teams aren't going to win if they fall behind by 11 points multiple times a game. There were a lot of lapses on defense from a normally elite defensive team. The Lakers let the Heat dictate the pace of the game.

There's no part of me that thinks the Heat can manage three in a row barring a major injury to LeBron James or Anthony Davis (the re-aggravated bone bruise is not ideal, but the medical staff will shoot his foot full of Cortisone and/or the blood of Jesus Christ on Sunday if they have to). Jimmy Butler had to play almost the entire game for the Heat to win by three. Can he do that two more times in a row? He's excellent, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Lakers just have to get back to what got them to the Finals in the first place: shutting teams the **** down. And maybe someone other than James, Davis, and KCMVP showing up on offense.

The Lakers tend to play much, much harder after a loss so I'm hoping for a major bounce back game. It's almost a good thing. Like, y'all have to lose before you get your **** together? I guess. Hope we get #17 on Sunday.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2020, 02:28:15 AM
This game was won by Butler getting foul calls and on Markieff on that bad lob pass to AD that sailed out of bounds.    Green, KCP and LeBron was open.
That last foul on Anthony Davis that put Jimmy Butler on the free throw line normally doesn't get called that late in a Finals game. There was a case for verticality. More importantly, Butler got five offensive rebounds. The Heat only had nine in the game, but it felt like roughly infinity more. It was like 10:45 PM EST and I straight up yelled "GET A GODDAMN REBOUND FOR ****'S SAKE!" right out loud. Sorry, neighbors.

The Lakers also gave up two four-point plays. They also technically gave up a six-point play (three-point play off a flagrant foul then Duncan Robinson hit a three). Like how do you even manage that in a Finals game? Until the fourth quarter, every time the Lakers got within a couple points or even tied, they would do some dumb **** like that and give the Heat another cushion. Most teams aren't going to win if they fall behind by 11 points multiple times a game. There were a lot of lapses on defense from a normally elite defensive team. The Lakers let the Heat dictate the pace of the game.

There's no part of me that thinks the Heat can manage three in a row barring a major injury to LeBron James or Anthony Davis (the re-aggravated bone bruise is not ideal, but the medical staff will shoot his foot full of Cortisone and/or the blood of Jesus Christ on Sunday if they have to). Jimmy Butler had to play almost the entire game for the Heat to win by three. Can he do that two more times in a row? He's excellent, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Lakers just have to get back to what got them to the Finals in the first place: shutting teams the **** down. And maybe someone other than James, Davis, and KCMVP showing up on offense.

The Lakers tend to play much, much harder after a loss so I'm hoping for a major bounce back game. It's almost a good thing. Like, y'all have to lose before you get your **** together? I guess. Hope we get #17 on Sunday.
I tuned in for the last minute of the game.
Perfect timing. Hope they push it to 7.

Saw Green miss another wiiiiiide open 3, and then a terible follow-up pass down the middle that went straight outta bounds.

Heat in 7!!


edit: had to clean up cellphone autocorrect nonsense
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 10, 2020, 05:03:31 AM
This game was won by Butler getting foul calls and on Markieff on that bad lob pass to AD that sailed out of bounds.    Green, KCP and LeBron was open.
That last foul on Anthony Davis that put Jimmy Butler on the free throw line normally doesn't get called that late in a Finals game. There was a case for verticality. More importantly, Butler got five offensive rebounds. The Heat only had nine in the game, but it felt like roughly infinity more. It was like 10:45 PM EST and I straight up yelled "GET A GODDAMN REBOUND FOR ****'S SAKE!" right out loud. Sorry, neighbors.

The Lakers also gave up two four-point plays. They also technically gave up a six-point play (three-point play off a flagrant foul then Duncan Robinson hit a three). Like how do you even manage that in a Finals game? Until the fourth quarter, every time the Lakers got within a couple points or even tied, they would do some dumb **** like that and give the Heat another cushion. Most teams aren't going to win if they fall behind by 11 points multiple times a game. There were a lot of lapses on defense from a normally elite defensive team. The Lakers let the Heat dictate the pace of the game.

There's no part of me that thinks the Heat can manage three in a row barring a major injury to LeBron James or Anthony Davis (the re-aggravated bone bruise is not ideal, but the medical staff will shoot his foot full of Cortisone and/or the blood of Jesus Christ on Sunday if they have to). Jimmy Butler had to play almost the entire game for the Heat to win by three. Can he do that two more times in a row? He's excellent, but I'll believe it when I see it. The Lakers just have to get back to what got them to the Finals in the first place: shutting teams the **** down. And maybe someone other than James, Davis, and KCMVP showing up on offense.

The Lakers tend to play much, much harder after a loss so I'm hoping for a major bounce back game. It's almost a good thing. Like, y'all have to lose before you get your **** together? I guess. Hope we get #17 on Sunday.
I tuned in for the last minute of the game.
Perfect timing. Hope they push it to 7.

Saw Green miss another wiiiiiide open 3, and then a time follow-up pass fish the middle that went straight outta bounds.

Heat in 7!!

I guess no California solidarity from you with you being a Warriors fan.  That is a shame. 

I think the Lakers will close it out in 6. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Shaymin on October 10, 2020, 07:59:06 AM
If there's one thing I've learned from the internet it's that NorCal and SoCal really don't like each other.

But I hope it goes 7 just because the slobbering if the Lakers win in 6 will be unreal.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 10, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
I got friends that are Laker fans and Warrior haters, so it's my sworn duty to hate on the Lakers, and as a Warriors fan, that's only strengthened by our professional rivalry against Lebron.

Heat in 7

See Jimmy Butler bring home a ring, while Lebron condemns all his teammates while trying to keep AD for another year and another chance, makes for the most interesting post season storyline to me.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 11, 2020, 10:05:02 PM
LA LAKERS ARE THE NBA CHAMPIONS FOR THE 17TH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 11, 2020, 10:42:22 PM
Congrats to Lebron and the Lakers, but....

*

that's all I'm saying.
Ring is a Ring though, so congrats to all those earned one this year, and those that tagged along as well.

We will see you in the more normal next season.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on October 11, 2020, 11:39:49 PM
LA LAKERS ARE THE NBA CHAMPIONS FOR THE 17TH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2020, 01:20:32 AM
Hey I congratulated them..... I would * the win regardless of who won.
Lebron deserves it. He's an amazing athlete, and I'm glad AD could secure his first, of maybe a few more in his career. Lebron has put in the work, but once we get back to normal next season... I don't see him doing a back2back w/ the Lakers.

Hopefully the off-season is a good watch too.
Looking forward to some off season drama/news.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 12, 2020, 04:04:36 AM
Asterisks are silly.   One could come up with lots of reasons someone was crowned Champ and they don't even have to be legit. 



https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/2020-nba-champion-will-join-long-list-titles-asterisks   
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2020, 09:00:30 AM
The season was compromised. there was a 90+ day break in the season giving potential season wear and tear a chance to recover. It wasn't just cut short and rushed to a conclusion....
There were some players that opted not to play for safety concerns, and then replaced by temporary players. Not even all teams got to play (yes I know they had no shot at playoff spots), but that cut down games played, where of course, anything could have happened.

and this is directed at any team, but still, a ring is a ring, even if it's asterisk'd
no one will remember or care about the * 10 years from now... unless it's specifically mentioned in the History Book of 2020 (since this year could probably have a entire book dedicated to it.)

Run it back for a 2nd, asterisk won't even matter.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on October 12, 2020, 03:47:05 PM
Asterisks are silly.   One could come up with lots of reasons someone was crowned Champ and they don't even have to be legit.
You’re not wrong. However, I don’t mind that asterisk. If anything, it was a tougher road because of everything that happened (e.g. Kobe’s death, the pandemic, the social justice movement etc). I think people downplay how hard it was for every team in the bubble to be separated from most of their family and friends.

The Lakers, who at least one analyst said had a better chance of missing the playoffs than winning the championship before the season, busted their asses to earn home court advantage in the Western Conference only to be forced to run through the playoffs on the most even playing field of any post season ever (no travel, no home court advantage for any team) with most games played every other day, and they did it after their best perimeter defender chose to stay home for his son. BNM mentioned the hiatus giving players time to recover. The Lakers were one of the healthiest teams in the league in March so if anything, that made things even more difficult for them. Rajon Rondo broke his thumb at the start of the bubble and had to leave for over a month.

Haters all over the internet are pushing this asterisk narrative like it’s a bad thing. The Lakers should get an unsanctioned second ring for dealing with extra nonsense this year. I’m joking about that last bit. I don’t think this championship should count any more or less than any other. However, if people insist on putting an asterisk, I think it’s only fair to put it in the right context.

As for next season, who even knows? The league is aiming for January, but team governors want fans in arenas. I doubt that happens in three months. We may get another truncated season and another “asterisk” champion.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on October 12, 2020, 04:58:43 PM
An asterisk should lessen a championship.  And there was nothing really there that gave the Lakers an advantage over other teams.  The extra break could've helped an aging LeBron rest/recover, but every player on every team got that break.  And like Adrock said, Lakers were healthy going into the break.  I also think every team that got into the bubble benefitted from fewer games, unless it didn't give them enough to make the playoffs.  But the Lakers could've sealed the 1 seed early enough to have rest games at the end of the season anyway.

And it's not really the championship that has the asterisk; it's the season as a whole.  The League was impacted, all players, teams, coaches, staff, etc were impacted.  If this happened in the middle of the finals, then sure, put it on the winners.  But COVID happened to everyone.


More importantly, the NBA should be really proud of having no positive COVID tests in the bubble.  The NFL literally did not plan on trying to prevent anyone from getting infected and instead strategized around keeping people from spreading.  They invested so many resources on contact tracing, but seemingly no effort on planning what to do in the event of an outbreak.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 12, 2020, 05:48:32 PM
And it's not really the championship that has the asterisk; it's the season as a whole.  The League was impacted, all players, teams, coaches, staff, etc were impacted.  If this happened in the middle of the finals, then sure, put it on the winners.  But COVID happened to everyone.

I agree, the asterisk is more on the season as a whole, and not the actual playoff run itself.
The playoff run was affected by the break, and the situation on going, but it did allow some people to nurse so nagging issues, and/or budding injuries that could've become real had they continued to play on them. Body fatigue, and countless other things that a non-interrupted season could've have presented. A shortened season would have a much smaller asterisk to me than this interrupted one.
But replacements aside, all teams came in rested and got to go 100% with a full roster. So it's not to say the winner didn't deserve a ring, it's just that the circumstances that led to anyone getting a ring leaves an asterisks on this season. 2020 was just, and continues to be, that kind of year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on October 12, 2020, 06:43:09 PM
But replacements aside, all teams came in rested and got to go 100% with a full roster. So it's not to say the winner didn't deserve a ring, it's just that the circumstances that led to anyone getting a ring leaves an asterisks on this season. 2020 was just, and continues to be, that kind of year.

Yeah, no. Teams came in with injuries. Both the Jazz and Nuggets were missing players from the start due to injuries either during the Bubble or prior to it, and when one of those missing players was our 2nd-best player...no, teams did not come into the playoffs 100% with a full roster, just most of them.

On a side note, I'd like to congratulate the Chinese Communist Party on their 1st NBA Championship. Lord knows they earned it this season.  :P

On a less cynical note, I'll be curious to see how the off-season goes now. The Jazz have to make some decisions about Gobert and Conley, and I suspect one or both won't be making it to next season's roster.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 12, 2020, 08:49:55 PM
I will admit there was some injuries to the Suns back in March to Kelly Oubre Jr and I think he was healthy to play it is just he opted out of the bubble for many reasons.  Rubio and Baynes also had to be quarentined and really only Rubio played.   Free agent status,  personal reasons or just being injured and not having a chance to move the needle for their team.    The bubble was an opt in or opt out sort of thing by the player.  So it was up to individual players what they wanted to do and there was no shaming players if they opted out of the bubble.   To try and counter balance things the teams could bring in their two-way or G- League or sign free agents who could play to fill out the roster.


As to LeBron and him being able to rest he did talk a bit about that after the season was paused.  He said that he has a rhythm he goes through the season and his body is used to and he was ramping up his body for the playoffs and when the season was paused his body had to adjust to not playing. Like his body was telling him what is going on? 

The other factor which Adrock mentioned was the harsh playoff schedule of the first 4 games of a series was every other day and also the mental toll of not being with family and the isolation of staying in one place all the time for like 4 months.    I know I dealt with the isolation the first few months of COVID-19.


 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 19, 2020, 02:39:39 PM
Klay Thompson tore his Achilles yesterday....

another lost season for the Splash Bros
another rough season for the Warriors
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on November 19, 2020, 02:54:22 PM
Dang. Down to only two NBA All-Star level players. Really puts you guys in an underdog position. :P
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 19, 2020, 09:12:43 PM
man, the salt.... we had a good run.
changed the game. Even made Harden want give up and switch teams.

Hopefully Klay makes a full recovery.
abs hopefully Steph finds his Splash without his brother by his side.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2020, 01:21:45 AM
I guess all isn't lost....
we picked up Kelly Oubre for a year.

not sure how I feel about that, but I'll let it play out.
Just glad to see that ownership is all in and giving the team and the fans the best shot they can.
gotta respect that.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/after-klay-thompsons-season-ending-injury-the-warriors-are-breaking-the-bank-to-remain-competitive/
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on November 20, 2020, 05:32:55 PM
man, the salt.... we had a good run.
changed the game. Even made Harden want give up and switch teams.

Whatever they're doing in Houston isn't working and Harden needs to just ask himself if it's the team of if it's him.  Personally, I think it's him.

Also, there's no salt over here.  Warriors were stacked for quite a few years and definitely made the most of it.  I just like to tease.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 20, 2020, 10:43:56 PM
I know you are.
we made a wish on a monkeys paw here in The Bay.
the bill has come due. hopefully this is the last year of the curse.

i like to watch the Splash Bros play together.
we don't always gotta win, but it's nice knowing we got a squad that always got a chance, or at least make it fun to watch.
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on November 21, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
The Jazz have been surprisingly busy this off-season:

1. We got rid of Ed Davis & Tony Bradley, our backup Centers.

2. We did a whole lot of draft pick trading & got a new Rookie backup Center in Udoka Azubuike, as well as Rookie Elijiah Hughes. No idea how those 2 will work out. Rookies don't have a great track record with the Jazz.

3. We re-signed Jordan Clarkson to a 4 year, $52 million deal.

4. We brought back Center/Power Forward Derrick Favors on a 3 year, $27 million deal after his 1 year sabbatical with the Pelicans while the Jazz tried the Ed Davis/Jeff Green experiment.

Pretty good moves in general. Signing Clarkson was a no-brainer. He saved our season coming off the bench, and it really hurt to lose Favors in the 1st place. The Jazz definitely lost a lot defensively without a decent defensive Center
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on November 22, 2020, 12:13:07 AM
I know you are.
we made a wish on a monkeys paw here in The Bay.
the bill has come due. hopefully this is the last year of the curse.

i like to watch the Splash Bros play together.
we don't always gotta win, but it's nice knowing we got a squad that always got a chance, or at least make it fun to watch.

I really feel bad for Klay, honestly.  Dude is crazy talented in his own right and could probably be the star player on another team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on November 22, 2020, 04:43:39 PM
Well, there it is: the Jazz just gave Donovan Mitchell a 5 year, $195 million extension to his Rookie contract: https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-offseason/2020/11/22/21589931/donovan-mitchell-agrees-to-a-five-year-195-million-max-extension-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-offseason/2020/11/22/21589931/donovan-mitchell-agrees-to-a-five-year-195-million-max-extension-utah-jazz)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on November 22, 2020, 08:37:55 PM
Some thoughts on the off-season so far:
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 23, 2020, 01:11:36 AM
Interested parties would like to know your thoughts on the Warriors too....
asking for a friend. lol

and I didn't see all the trades and drafts, but who did the Sixers pick up to get such praise?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on November 23, 2020, 03:40:40 AM
Interested parties would like to know your thoughts on the Warriors too....
asking for a friend. lol
I wrote a whole thing the other day when Klay Thompson's Achilles injury was official. I got distracted and didn't post it so I figured the window closed on commenting. Basically, without Thompson, it's curtains for the Warriors this season as far as contention. The Warriors did their best in an awful situation. Snagging a solid rotation player in Kelly Oubre is better than letting the Andre Iguodala trade exception expire though he's coming off a torn meniscus so not great. Bringing back Kent Bazemore is a good move. He apparently turned down eight other offers. The Warriors should make the playoffs if everyone stays healthy.

The NBA is better when the Warriors are good so I personally hope James Wiseman blossoms quickly, but everything I've read stated he's a little raw. They shouldn't trade him. Curry and Thompson are both in their 30s. How many more years do they have left? I always get a little sad when great players start approaching the end of their careers. I hate the fact that we're losing another year of Thompson's prime. His defense may not be elite when he returns, but he has a skillset that should keep him effective for a few more years.

Also, this was supposed to be the pitch year for Giannis Antetokounmpo. So much for that.
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and I didn't see all the trades and drafts, but who did the Sixers pick up to get such praise?
It's less about who the Sixers picked up than who they shipped off. Last summer, the Sixers signed Al Horford to a $109 million contract or ~$27 million per year, the last year guaranteed for $14.5 million when he'll be 36. Ewww......... Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons need shooters around them to spread the floor, the Sixers let their best shooter walk (JJ Reddick) then signed the absolute worst fit with Embiid and Simmons. I defended Horford's signing last year, but in practice, woof....... (freezing cold take from me, my bad)

That said, Daryl Morey traded Horford to the Thunder for Danny Green, Terrence Ferguson, the 34th pick in this year's draft (Theo Maldon), a protected 2025 first round pick, and the draft rights to someone. It didn't cost them that much to get Horford off the books. Also addressing their lack of shooting in the same trade is almost a miracle.

Morey also signed Dwight Howard to a veteran's minimum contract and traded Josh Richardson and the 36th pick in this year's draft (Tyler Bey) to the Mavericks for Seth Curry to get even more shooting. Richardson is a better defender, but the Sixers really needed more shooters.

I believe the Sixers were hard-capped so they didn't have tons of options yet they (or rather, Morey) filled a dire need, got off of a long-term albatross contract, and somehow managed to reduce salary this year. The Sixers may be under the apron now; I haven't done the math though. Either way, a very successful off-season so far.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 25, 2020, 10:29:28 AM
The 2020-2021 All City Jerseys are out
https://www.nba.com/news/new-team-uniforms-2020-21-season
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: nickmitch on November 26, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
The Pelicans' jerseys got some mixed reviews, but I like that they chose the city's flag as the basis.  They could've done a lot better in terms of taking liberties with the design (the red and blue stripes could've been bigger instead of being true to the proportions of the actual flag, and the three fleurs-de-lis could've been more prominent instead of giving way to the jersey number).  I like the design overall, even if they're not as good as the Mardi Gras unis.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 26, 2020, 06:31:10 PM
The Suns city edition is really stylish.  Very 8 bit retro.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: broodwars on November 27, 2020, 12:13:27 AM
I like the "Dark Mode" variant on the Jazz's City Jersey more than I do the normal one, but I don't like our City Jersey in general.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: The Happiest Postseason Bubble On Earth
Post by: Adrock on November 27, 2020, 04:19:23 PM
I feel like I would normally hate the Suns City Jerseys, but I actually really like it. I also like the Sixers’ homage to Boathouse Row. The Jazz’s Dark Mode City Jerseys are better than last years’ but still not good. The Magic’s City Jerseys should have more orange if they’re going to do it.
I'm most impressed by the Hawks. They should be a playoff team, especially if the Kings don't match the offer sheet for Bogdan Bogdanović. The Kings absolutely should, but Kings gonna King.
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Old news, but Kings gonna King. Match then trade Bogdanović before the deadline and get at least a first round pick, you dummies. Chances are the Hawks and Bucks will still want him.

Just ban the Kings and Hornets out of the league for a couple seasons until they get their act together.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 28, 2020, 03:24:06 PM
Well first of all the Suns and Lakers got better which is scary for the Lakers. 

As most know here last seasons roster for the Lakers was put together after Kawhi stalled and wasted the Lakers and Raptors time while he got Pandemic P.    This season for the Lakers we got younger than we were now that the Lakers are on AD's timeline.   I like the Schroeder signing as he is a player who can create for himself and others.  That was needed last season.  I also liked how we got more offense off the bench as that was a problem last season.   

As for the Suns they kept their 8-0 bubble team and got more depth and it is looking like the Suns are going to make the playoffs for the first time in 11 years.


Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 02, 2020, 03:20:05 PM
Well it looks like LBJ is retiring as a Laker.  Just signed a 2 year extension and is signed through 2023.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2020, 04:15:35 PM
Gotta play with Bronny Jr.
Or at least that's the hope.
I hope he makes it, and his son can join the team too.

Edit: and did you hear that all 3 Ball Bros /Baller Brand are now officially in the NBA.
LiAngelo got signed with The Pistons today.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 02, 2020, 09:38:41 PM
Gotta play with Bronny Jr.
Or at least that's the hope.
I hope he makes it, and his son can join the team too.

Edit: and did you hear that all 3 Ball Bros /Baller Brand are now officially in the NBA.
LiAngelo got signed with The Pistons today.

Yeah with Bronny if the NBA looks at the 1 and done rule in 2022 then Bronny should be draft eligable in 2023 if not 2024.  LBJ could stay longer than the contract but for now at the end of the contract he will be 38 and Bronny could be in the league in 2023 and if not then 2024 when LeBron's contract is up. 

But yeah all three Ball Bros are in the league.  Lonzo with the Pelicans,  Lamelo with the Hornets. LiAngelo with the Pistons. 
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on December 02, 2020, 10:47:23 PM
Houston Rockets, Washington Wizards agree to Russell Westbrook-John Wall trade (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30439266/sources-houston-rockets-washington-wizards-agree-russell-westbrook-john-wall-deal)

Imagine being Tillman Fertitta and accomplishing the following in three years:
James Harden has two years left on his current contract and is apparently unhappy. That 2024 draft pick the Rockets sent to the Thunder is the one to keep an eye on. The Rockets are fuuuuuuuucked.

Now, imagine being Sam Presti, getting two draft picks and two pick swaps to watch Chris Paul have an amazing year then flipping him a year later for another draft pick while getting to properly tank for the next few years with young players, the most egregious war chest of future draft picks in sports history, and cap space.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 02, 2020, 11:13:59 PM
The NBA off season is more entertaining than the NFL regular season. 🤣🤣
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 03, 2020, 11:43:00 AM
AD signs a 5 year 190 mil deal to stay with the Lakers.  Lakers are having a dynasty now!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 03, 2020, 11:45:22 AM
If only Durant stayed in The Bay, we'd have a good ol NorCal v SoCal rivalry going for the next few years assuming Curry could stay healthy and Klay comes back next year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on December 03, 2020, 03:57:54 PM
AD signs a 5 year 190 mil deal to stay with the Lakers.  Lakers are having a dynasty now!!!
Whoa, settle down, miss. The Lakers have to win more than one to be a dynasty.

I'm both surprised and not surprised Anthony Davis signed a five year deal even with the opt out. If he signed a two-and-one, he could have opted out and signed the 10-year veterans max which the Lakers would have gladly offered. At the same time, this mofo spent all of the last season repeatedly either falling to the floor, doubled over in pain or getting poked in the eye. In that case, secure that bag.

The Lakers are considered favorites to repeat this season by most outlets and analysts, and I actually don't like that. Last season, people were doubting them all year so no one was prepared when they started steamrolling through the playoffs. The Lakers have a target on their backs now. I'm naturally drawn to being pessimistic about the team. However, it's hard to argue that despite winning the championship, they approached the off-season as if they lost and made major moves to get better and younger.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: nickmitch on December 03, 2020, 04:42:05 PM
AD signs a 5 year 190 mil deal to stay with the Lakers.  Lakers are having a dynasty now!!!
Whoa, settle down, miss. The Lakers have to win more than one to be a dynasty.

I'm both surprised and not surprised Anthony Davis signed a five year deal even with the opt out. If he signed a two-and-one, he could have opted out and signed the 10-year veterans max which the Lakers would have gladly offered. At the same time, this mofo spent all of the last season repeatedly either falling to the floor, doubled over in pain or getting poked in the eye. In that case, secure that bag.

I think it was the smart play for AD to secure that mid-term bag.  The risk of injury is looming over his head, so that 10 year deal may not have panned out for him.  Getting titles now (assumption) and letting the resume speak for itself could work out better for him.  And who knows? Maybe he'll come back to New Orleans to end his-- nevermind, this sentence isn't realistic enough to finish.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on December 03, 2020, 05:08:47 PM
I think it was the smart play for AD to secure that mid-term bag.  The risk of injury is looming over his head, so that 10 year deal may not have panned out for him.  Getting titles now (assumption) and letting the resume speak for itself could work out better for him.  And who knows? Maybe he'll come back to New Orleans to end his-- nevermind, this sentence isn't realistic enough to finish.
True, but also consider:
If Davis got injured, I have no doubt most teams and especially the Lakers would still offer him a max contract. Generational players don’t grow in trees so teams will take that chance even with an injury.

Anyway, if Anthony Davis ever leaves the Lakers, I’d expect him to sign with the Bulls to play for his hometown. Then again, Dwyane Wade did that, and it sucked for him so maybe not. 🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on December 04, 2020, 08:52:13 PM
The NBA released the first half of the season schedule including televised games. The Heat, who were Eastern Conference champions, have fewer nationally televised games than two teams that didn’t make the playoffs last season. I get the Warriors shouldn’t be a dumpster fire this year and the NBA really wants to push Zion Williamson (who is probably load managing several of those 14 games), but this still makes me irrationally angry.

Also, whose idea was it to put the Knicks on nationally? Jebus, man, the Wizards are least have Bradley Beal and Russell Westbrook...

Number of National TV games per team (not including NBATV)

For the first half of the schedule
Lakers - 16
Celtics - 14
Mavericks - 14
Pelicans - 14
Warriors - 14
Nets - 13
Bucks - 12
Clippers - 11
Heat - 10
Sixers - 9
Suns - 9
Rockets - 7
Nuggets - 6
Blazers - 5
Jazz - 4
Raptors - 4
Grizzlies - 3
Pacers - 2
Bulls - 1
Hawks - 1
Hornets - 1
Knicks - 1
Wolves - 1
Cavs/Kings/Magic/Pistons/Spurs/Thunder/Wizards all have 0
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 04, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Damn, if we thought Russ had a chip on his shoulder before... 😬

New triple double record incoming!?
Or do you think he will adopt to a more winning strategy? 🤔
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on December 04, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
As usual, the Jazz get the shaft when it comes to National TV coverage. Somewhat bewildering considering the squad they have assembled, but it's nothing new. They'll find their interest if the Jazz actually perform up to their potential this year.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on December 15, 2020, 02:28:16 PM
Giannis Antetokounmpo, Milwaukee Bucks reach five-year, $228M supermax extension (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30526147/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-reach-five-year-228m-supermax-extension)

Giannis Antetokounmpo would have to play one season under the extension before being eligible for trade. I believe Brian Windhorst said in the Hoop Collective podcast that Russell Westbrook had a wink-wink deal with the Thunder where he signed the supermax contract but the team would work with him on a trade if he wanted to move on. That way, they would get something in return while Westbrook still gets paid. Windhorst floated this as an option for Antetokounmpo. Let’s say he requests a trade in 2022. He would have four years left on the deal with an option on the final year. If Paul George netted five draft picks and two pick swaps on top of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, imagine what Antetokounmpo would go for with an additional year.

Sam Presti is licking his lips in anticipation of sending 15 draft picks to the Bucks for Antetokounmpo and still having 27 more.
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Post by: nickmitch on December 16, 2020, 06:46:42 PM
Sam Presti is licking his lips in anticipation of sending 15 draft picks to the Bucks for Antetokounmpo and still having 27 more.

This sentence is hilarious because it is accurate.

Happy for Giannis. Money over everything.
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Post by: broodwars on December 20, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
The Jazz finally signed a $205 5 year extension with Rudy Gobert.

Well, he'd better be worth it, since we're putting everything on this squad to win a championship. He kind of gave up last year after getting picked for the All Star game

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2020/12/20/22191607/rudy-gobert-re-signs-with-the-utah-jazz-nba-max-extension-contract)
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Post by: Adrock on December 20, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
Yeah... I wouldn’t want to pay Rudy Gobert $205 million to be a non-factor on offense. While he’s an elite interior and team defender, he’s easily exploitable on the perimeter. At the same time, this was the best and only option for the Jazz. His skill set isn’t replaceable, and Utah isn’t an especially attractive free agency destination. Someone would have offered Gobert a max contract next off-season. Better to make this not a distraction all year.

I read an article in which Gobert stated he wants to be more involved on offense.
(https://i.ibb.co/9p31xJK/tenor.gif)
Admittedly, I’m not super-familiar with the Jazz. Why would Snyder ever run anything for Gobert over Mitchell, Conley, Bogdonovic, or even Ingles? I mean, other than to shut him up for a bit. Everything goes through Mitchell if the Jazz want to win games. He’s the team’s leading scorer and best player. GTFO with Gobert being more involved on offense unless it’s to set screens then go away.
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Post by: broodwars on December 20, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Yeah... I wouldn’t want to pay Rudy Gobert $205 million to be a non-factor on offense. While he’s an elite interior and team defender, he’s easily exploitable on the perimeter. At the same time, this was the best and only option for the Jazz. His skill set isn’t replaceable, and Utah isn’t an especially attractive free agency destination. Someone would have offered Gobert a max contract next off-season. Better to make this not a distraction all year.

I read an article in which Gobert stated he wants to be more involved on offense.
(https://i.ibb.co/9p31xJK/tenor.gif)
Admittedly, I’m not super-familiar with the Jazz. Why would Snyder ever run anything for Gobert over Mitchell, Conley, Bogdonovic, or even Ingles? I mean, other than to shut him up for a bit. Everything goes through Mitchell if the Jazz want to win games. He’s the team’s leading scorer and best player. GTFO with Gobert being more involved on offense unless it’s to set screens then go away.

The problem with Gobert on offense is that his skillset is so limited he pretty much requires a high-quality passer to set him up. For the Jazz, that's basically Ingles and sometimes Mitchell (though I've seen Bogdonovic thread some incredibly tight passes). Mitchell prefers to take his own shot most of the time, or to feed a perimeter player. Ingles will lob passes to Gobert and Favors all day, and they'll be excellent plays. The problem is that Gobert has never learned how to run the Jazz offense with anyone other than Ingles, so he's completely flat-footed when Ingles isn't on the court.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 03, 2021, 11:52:56 PM
Chef Curry cooking with a career high 62 tonight
8-16 from 3, and victory over the Trailblazers tonight!!
(Steph is 48 three's from #2 on the All-Time list)

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e18d244be6327744eb6f43ef41429288/tenor.gif)

Hate to see this man have to work so hard to carry this team on his back, but it makes for a good show. Now is someone else can become effective with a shot, Curry can maybe get some open looks again.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 05, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
Checked in on the Warrior have last night!!!

Some team appears to have found some sort of groove.
It was raining 3's from practically EVERYONE in the Dub Squad  last night.

Oubre was 4/6, whoever Mulder is was 4/4
Paschall and Poole were 2/3, and it out keeps going down the list. Wiggins had 2, Draymond had 1. etc etc

Curry was the outlier being 5/14.

Anyway, Kings got cooked. Hopefully the Warriors can keep this up and it ain't just a flash in the pan.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 11, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
Nobody wanna talk about (one of) the worst shooting performance in Steph Curry's NBA career, but somehow still beat the Raptors by 1?

No.... no one?
ok.

I think we found a little juice here. I don't know how long it last, or how potent it may be, but we got something going. Wiggins gaining his confidence.... if only we can get Oubre on the Curry gameplan for screens in the corner and general rotations and movements around the court, we might be able to make quite the stew going forward.

Curry can't carry them every night, and Draymond gotta figure out how to be more effective in scoring the ball himself on a regular basis while still doing all the traffic directing, defense, and all the other little things, but there is no reason he shouldn't average 7-10 pts a night. It would honestly make his assist game more effective if they didn't anticipate you to pass it 120% of the time, even when you're at the rim.
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Post by: Adrock on January 12, 2021, 12:14:51 AM
Nobody wanna talk about (one of) the worst shooting performance in Steph Curry's NBA career, but somehow still beat the Raptors by 1?

No.... no one?
ok.
I'm down to talk about NBA games, news etc. However, I have spent huge swaths of the last few months mostly talking to myself in this thread. It just seems like no one wants to discuss anything unless it's about their team. That's fine and all, but it makes me less interested in taking time to start discussions. For example, I've wanted to bring up the James Harden situation (short version: his behavior was unacceptable), but I figured no one was interested so I just let that go.

As for the Warriors, they're going to live and die by Steph Curry's play on most nights. They squeaked by a struggling Raptors team that is sorely missing Serge Ibaka and Marc Gasol. Personally, I thought the comeback win against the Clippers was way more impressive. They trailed by 21 late in the third quarter then somehow won by 10.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 12, 2021, 12:02:39 PM
Honestly, I was just amazed they won the last game considering Curry wasn't scoring at all.

As for Harden...
I didn't exactly follow everything that was going on with him.
he threw a tantrum, risked his team exposure on purpose, late to training camp, assaulted a team mate, and requested a trade.... as if all of that was going to make him attractive to another team.

I also noticed that the Pels Mavs game was postponed. Was there a reason for that?
I see the last Celtics game, and the next Celtics game today are postponed as well, but that's listed for contact tracing reasons.

and how about Melo Ball....
showed up his older brother head to head. Now the youngest to have recorded a Triple Double
and he's been a solid producer on his team when it comes to points and other stats as well.
Could he be running for Rookie of the year if he keeps this up?
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Post by: broodwars on January 12, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Nobody wanna talk about (one of) the worst shooting performance in Steph Curry's NBA career, but somehow still beat the Raptors by 1?

No.... no one?
ok.
I'm down to talk about NBA games, news etc. However, I have spent huge swaths of the last few months mostly talking to myself in this thread. It just seems like no one wants to discuss anything unless it's about their team. That's fine and all, but it makes me less interested in taking time to start discussions.

Yeah...even if I was inclined to follow news about other teams, I don't have Cable anymore and my family cut our League Pass subscription after last season to save money, so I can't even watch the Jazz play anymore, let alone any other team. Makes it difficult to follow basketball right now.
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Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2021, 05:46:03 PM
As for Harden...
I didn't exactly follow everything that was going on with him.
he threw a tantrum, risked his team exposure on purpose, late to training camp, assaulted a team mate, and requested a trade.... as if all of that was going to make him attractive to another team.
You guys know where I stand on player empowerment. I have a line though. I'm fine with players requesting a trade. I'm even fine with players doing so publicly if they don't mind paying the $50,000 penalty. However, go to work. That is what the contract is for. A person doesn't have to be happy with their employment situation, but they are still obligated to do their job so long as they're getting paid. The Rockets should have fined Harden several times for conduct detrimental to the team. Instead, they bent over the coffee table to hopefully convince him to stay even though the writing was all over the wall. Harden handled this as poorly as someone could have, and not that it matters, but it makes me dislike him as a player even more.

Looks like Harden got his wish: Sources: Houston Rockets trade James Harden to Brooklyn Nets in 4-team megadeal sending Caris LeVert to Indiana Pacers (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30706097/sources-houston-rockets-trade-james-harden-brooklyn-nets)

Good on the Rockets for the haul they got: Victor Oladipo, broodwars' favorite former Jazz (Dante Exum), Rodions Kurucs, three unprotected first round picks from the Nets, four pick swaps from the Nets, a first found pick from the Cavaliers via the Bucks, and a second round pick from the Pacers. Personally, I felt like the Nets gave up too much for somehow even less defense especially given Harden's recent behavior and unprofessionalism, including coming into the season out of shape.

Hard to ignore how many all-star players left the Rockets disgruntled after playing with Harden. Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, and Russell Westbrook looking at the Nets like:
(https://i.imgur.com/kPqvjqP.png)
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I also noticed that the Pels Mavs game was postponed. Was there a reason for that?
Mavericks game against Pelicans postponed due to COVID protocols (https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/1/11/22225116/mavericks-game-against-pelicans-postponed-due-to-covid-protocols)
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and how about Melo Ball....
showed up his older brother head to head. Now the youngest to have recorded a Triple Double
and he's been a solid producer on his team when it comes to points and other stats as well.
Could he be running for Rookie of the year if he keeps this up?
Right now, he would be Rookie of the Year. The season is still early so we'll see.
Yeah...even if I was inclined to follow news about other teams, I don't have Cable anymore and my family cut our League Pass subscription after last season to save money, so I can't even watch the Jazz play anymore, let alone any other team. Makes it difficult to follow basketball right now.
If you don't mind being a little unethical, you can probably find free streams online. Not saying you should, but you can.
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Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2021, 06:36:15 PM
It's nice to see the Corpse of Dante Exum used for his usual purpose: as trading fodder.

It's funny...I guess this trade was in the works at the time so that was why, but last night the Jazz absolutely annihilated the Cavs, and it struck me how the Cavs never played Exum despite them being short-handed by 3-4 people.

As for Harden, I've never liked the guy. He has great skill, no doubt about it, but the stuff the refs let him get away with every game just irritated me to no end. I guess that's ironic considering Karl Malone's history of flying elbows, but seeing Harden get away with fouls or generating phantom fouls on other players every single play just irked me to no end.

And yeah, I definitely think Brooklyn was overcharged for what they're getting. I'm not sure a team with Durant, Irving, & Harden can even function together. That's a lot of primary ball-handling ego there.
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Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2021, 07:45:55 PM
I still don't see the Nets as being better than the Sixers, Bucks, or Heat. I'm also kind of tired of Kyrie Irving being a weirdo (i.e. flat-earther, burning sage etc). His current antics of just not playing because 🤷‍♀️ doesn't inspire much confidence in me either. While the Nets gave up a ton of assets, they have shown an incredible ability to bounce back (i.e. recovering from Danny Ainge's pillaging of the their assets in 2014). Trading for Harden just seemed like a panic move that absolutely did not need to happen right now. If they were going to panic about anything, maybe get some f-ing defense.

Side-note since broodwars brought him up: If we're talking about just basketball, Karl Malone was hard to like because of dirty play masquerading as being part of a tougher era in the NBA. For me, Malone is hard to like because his personal life is fraught with what-the-****. Normally, I don't really care about professional athletes' personal lives as long as they aren't hurting others. Malone's personal history is just so egregiously what-the-****. The short version for everyone else: at 17, he abandoned his first two kids (twins) for nearly two decades then sired a child with a minor (he was 20; she was 13) who he subsequently abandoned for three decades. Malone has since apparently mended those relationships. Still, just seems like if you score nearly 37,000 points in your career, you can get a statue no matter how much of an asshole you were.
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Post by: broodwars on January 13, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
I still don't see the Nets as being better than the Sixers, Bucks, or Heat. I'm kind of tired of Kyrie Irving being a weirdo (i.e. flat-earther, burning sage etc). The Nets gave up a ton of assets though they have shown an incredible ability to bounce back. Trading for Harden just seemed like a panic move that absolutely did not need to happen right now. If they were going to panic about anything, maybe get some f-ing defense.

Side-note since broodwars brought him up: If we're talking about just basketball, Karl Malone was hard to like because of dirty play masquerading as being part of a tougher era in the NBA. For me, Malone is hard to like because his personal life is fraught with what-the-****. Normally, I don't really care about professional athletes' personal lives as long as they aren't hurting others. Malone's personal history is just so egregiously what-the-****. The short version for everyone else: at 17, he abandoned his first two kids (twins) for nearly two decades then sired a child with a minor (he was 20; she was 13) who he subsequently abandoned for three decades. Malone has since apparently mended those relationships. Still, just seems like if you score nearly 37,000 points in your career, you can get a statue no matter how much of an asshole you were.

Yeah...there are many reasons why Stockton is my all-time favorite NBA player & not Malone.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2021, 08:12:47 PM
Wow at the Malone summary.... I had no idea.

Craziness though that the Harden trade finally materialized.
I wonder if it's what KD and/ Kyrie asked for.

I don't really see it working out. Kyrie already likes to be a 1 man show. And Harden likes to dribble the air out the ball before creating a BS foul.
KD's best scenario wouldn't been to stay with the Warriors as you have an unselfish PG who will gladly catch and shoot, but can also draw double and triple teams to leave to you open.
Truly coulda been an easy money sniper.
That boat sailed away though.

Who else came up in the 4 team trade?
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Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2021, 02:31:47 AM
Craziness though that the Harden trade finally materialized.
I wonder if it's what KD and/ Kyrie asked for.
Absolutely had to be, or at least what Kevin Durant asked for. The Nets may end up trading Kyrie Irving at some point due to what a weirdo he is. If they can use James Harden to keep Durant past his current contract, this trade will have been well worth it.
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I don't really see it working out. Kyrie already likes to be a 1 man show. And Harden likes to dribble the air out the ball before creating a BS foul.
Normally, I’d say superstar players can figure it out by understanding the hierarchy of who is the first, second, and third option, but Irving is the problem. He was on a championship team with LeBron James and thought he was the first, second, AND third option. GTFO, man. Perhaps a bigger problem is two out of the three are minus defenders, and the other one is coming off a torn Achilles. Durant has looked good this year all things considered; there’s just no way he is or ever will be pre-torn Achilles level Durant again.

The Nets also gave up Jarrett Allen AND Caris LeVert except without the benefit of the offseason/free agency to fill those roster holes. The current analyst takes are the Nets are suddenly championship favorites. I don’t know, man. Seems like an overreaction based on individual talent. Reminds me of the Clippers last year. Everyone thought it’d be a cake walk to the Finals due to the sheer amount of talent on the team then Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic happened.
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Who else came up in the 4 team trade?
Normally, I’d post a Let Me Google That For You link (even though I already posted a link to an article), but I can appreciate laziness, and I’m feeling charitable.
The Cavs low-key did really well here for just being present to make the salary work though they currently have like 18 centers now (actually only five). Two or three of them probably won’t be on the team next year.

As long as Tillman Fertitta remains the league’s thriftiest billionaire, the Rockets project to be worse than the Nets so those pick swaps probably won’t matter. The Nets flat-out have a better front office so even if they lose some combination or all of Durant, Harden, and Irving, I expect them to put together a competitive team so the Rockets better learn how to draft well in the middle of the draft.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 14, 2021, 10:30:18 AM
TBH, after i asked here, I saw the trade tweet that stated who got what.

I was shocked to see that the Nets gave up Jarrett Allen, as I thought he was a solid rim protector.
and also Caris LeVert, as I heard he was decent producer, but I guess you gotta give something to get something, especially when it's as "high value" as a James Harden.

But really what I was looking for was a little insight to what it all means from someone informed enough to have an opinion their willing to share on who actually made out good in this. So I appreciate the breakdown. Cavs getting Allen and Prince may definitely be a net positive for them.

I really am not sure if this Big 3 works as intended though.
Although i saw some speculation online that everything Kyrie has been doing up to this point was to dissuade the Rockets, or any other team from requesting him as part of the trade for Harden. Some real 4D checkers moves. LOL
Now they just gotta get Harden back in to shape, get Kyrie in the mood play and realize he just became a third option. This experiment is gonna be interesting, not necessarily to watch (i hate watching Harden play), but to see the results of.
2nd round exit, off season explosion?
finger pointings and burner accounts all around?
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Post by: Adrock on January 14, 2021, 11:54:20 AM
TBH, after i asked here, I saw the trade tweet that stated who got what.
(https://i.ibb.co/nrynBbW/B6556181-A943-47-AD-8-D29-97842-BD4-AFF4.jpg)
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I guess you gotta give something to get something, especially when it's as "high value" as a James Harden.
That’s the extent of it, I’m sure. It’s strange the Nets seemed to be negotiating from a weaker position as if they needed Harden’s talent more than the Rockets had to shake off a malcontent primadonna. Everyone knew Harden didn’t want to be in Houston, was sulking like a child despite the Rockets literally doing everything he asked for, and is currently out of shape. On top of that, there were no other viable trade partners except the Sixers who the Rockets didn’t want to deal with due to Daryl Morey. If I were the Sixers, I wouldn’t trade Ben Simmons for Harden. If I were the Rockets, I’d rather have Ben Simmons locked in until 2025 and fewer picks than what they got.

Then again, I read speculation the Nets prioritized the Harden trade because Irving is being such a butt lately so maybe they were negotiating from a position of weakness.
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I really am not sure if this Big 3 works as intended though.
Depends on what’s intended. Win a championship? Probably not. Brute force wins in the regular season by overwhelming opponents with offense? Sure.
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Although i saw some speculation online that everything Kyrie has been doing up to this point was to dissuade the Rockets, or any other team from requesting him as part of the trade for Harden. Some real 4D checkers moves. LOL
Sounds like Irving. Was he ever on the trade block? He wouldn’t make sense on the Rockets who already have Irving’s post-torn Achilles doppelgänger, John Wall. Then again, I’m not sure the Rockets really know what they’re doing yet.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 15, 2021, 05:30:18 PM
It sounds like Olidipo may be looking to be moved as soon as possible, from what I saw yesterday.

I'm sure Kyrie just wanted to make sure he wasn't even part of the ask from any team to make this trade work.

and there's so much going on right now, I don't even have time to keep up with NBA news on a whole.
There are still players on the Warriors that I don't even know who they are!! LOL
(I heard we had Linsanity in our G League.... I don't know if he still "has it" or whatever, but Curry needs some help out there.)
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Post by: Adrock on January 19, 2021, 12:51:28 AM
The Lakers really thought they could coast through that one. The Warriors rightly made them pay. They now have two big come back wins over Los Angeles teams.

Wiggins got some of Michael Jordan’s Secret Stuff from Space Jam and made 13 three pointers in a row.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 19, 2021, 12:55:21 AM
Warriors with the W over Lebron and the Lakers tonight.

This puts Steph 13 three's away from number 2 on the all time list.
Something that would've happened last season had COVID but interrupted and left the bottom teams without a play schedule.

I hionestly only caught the last half of 4th quarter. So I missed the majority of the game.
Heard that Wiggins and Oubre basically locked down Lebron and AD, and from what it sounded like, it was Schroeder in the first Qtr+ that was making deep cuts on the Warriors. In the post game, the TNT crew basically said what Adrock said, in that they thought they were just gonna go through the motions and walk away with the Win... LOL that didn't happen tonight. I'm sure they come with different energy next time we meet. But hopefully when that happens, Curry is in a groove and can erase the majority of our offensive and defensive mistakes with a flurry of quick demoralizing 3's.


I'm fucking SHOCKED at the Harden transformation. Now granted, I haven't been paying close attention to Harden, but they been poking at how "Healthy" he was looking at how them strip clubs in Houston must've been feeding him good..... Then he shows up on the Nets a few days later in the best shape of his life... WTF 0_o
how he lose 30lbs in a matter of days. Was he wearing a fat suit? I don't remember if we discussed this, but that don't make no sense.
That Durant Harden team up looks to work though. Harden seems to be happy to not have to run the D.Morey system, and just get back to playing ball. If only they had kept Jarrett Allen though...  (maybe they can trade Kyrie to get him back. LOL). Now I only saw highlights and some commentary, so I didn't see it all with my own eyes, but Nets looks strong. What happens when Kyrie comes back though? We can see it was Westbrook that was the problem between KD & Harden, but where does Kyrie fit in w/ these 2?
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2021, 01:30:37 AM
What happens when Kyrie comes back though?
Whiff a game against the Cavaliers apparently.

I only saw the end of regulation and both overtime periods. Durant had 38, Irving had 37, and Harden had 21. The Cavaliers played eight players. Colin Sexton was on fire from the arc in the extra periods, hit the game tying three pointer at the end of the overtime then three (!) three pointers in the second overtime. Jarrett Allen was a great pick up for the Cavs. No idea why the Rockets didn’t want him. He’s making less than $4 million this season so I don’t think it was salary.

Sixers vs. Celtics was also very good. They match up well. Glad the Sixers got the win.

Cole Anthony hit a game winner (he’s a rookie on the Magic). I don’t know why the Timberwolves are so terrible.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 21, 2021, 06:37:52 AM
I saw Nets highlights, mostly Sexton lighting up the Nets in OT. LOL
we'll just call that game Allen's revenge. I don't know how Allen Jarret did in the game specifically, but I'm sure he was extra motivated to win it. Sexton clearly had a point to prove though. Lol

(https://i.imgur.com/KBtzJ40.jpg)

But I did watch the Warriors MURDER the Spurs last night. They had a good flow to them for most of the game. Curry was getting everyone involved, and people were actually hitting shots and moving the ball. They were definitely playing Curry ball, and it was nice to see. I was watching passively while watching TV with my daughter, so I can't say if the Spurs just weren't in it, or if the W's were seriously out playing them, but I just like to see that the Warriors have gotten some sort of groove and working out some kinks.
They were expected to lose the majority of these games starting with the Clippers series, and are currently sporting a winning record of 8-6 with a spree of very hopeful wins coming up that include the Knicks, Timberwolves, and an over-rested Suns.

I'm hoping we have a good night against the Jazz as well. Win or lose, just want to play a good game.

p.s. I believe Curry has 10 more 3's before he moves into the All-Time 2nd spot on the 3 point list.
Who wants to make bets on which game that will be? I'm hoping he lights up the Jazz, gets the W and the slot movement on the list. That would be a good night!!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 22, 2021, 01:18:30 AM
Bad game, worse loss

this moment was BULLSHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dovmy2ZIlK0

the flow changed after that. Dray was yelling at Wiseman about the previous bad play, and the Ref took it personal or something and ejected Dray by giving him his 2nd Tech. We lost our floor general with a bunch of lost souls running on the floor around Curry. We were still in the game up till that point. I was hoping they would review and reverse like they did with Cousins a few years back after he was ejected... but no such luck.

Oh well.... on to the next game. We shall get our revenge on the Jazz instead!!! LOL
Curry also gonna slide into that #2 All Time 3pointer slot against the Jazz as well. I can feel it. 5+ triple's incoming!!!!
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Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2021, 11:13:05 AM
What happens when Kyrie comes back though?
Whiff a game two games against the Cavaliers apparently.
Just fixing this.
this moment was BULLSHIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dovmy2ZIlK0
Yeah. I stopped watching the game after that nonsense. The NBA retroactively rescinded the technical foul (the refs even admitted at halftime that it was the wrong call), but they still cost the Warriors the game. I think Steve Kerr was trying to use his coach's challenge which he would have won because you can hear Green yelling at Wiseman. The refs weren't having that at all so unfortunately, there's now precedent for that (not sure if anyone else tried that before). At the same, Green got his first technical foul like four minutes into the game. Come on, man.

Side-bar: I like the coach's challenge, and I want it to be expanded. For example, if your challenge was successful, you should get the challenge back in addition to the timeout. Maybe not infinitely like if you just keep successfully challenging calls. Not your fault the refs made an incorrect call.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2021, 12:51:40 PM
Do you remember that game a few years back when the Warriors played the Kings, and Demarcus Cousins got his 2nd tech, put on his crybaby face, and left the court. After a timeout, the Tech was rescinded, and he came back into the game.

I figured since this happened just before Halftime, that they would review this call back in Secaucus (or whatever it's called) and bring back Draymond in the 2nd half since he only would've missed the very end of the 2nd Qtr. I mean, there was precedence for that, since they did it for Cousins.....
But NOPE. and because of that, we ultimately lost the game.

for them to come out after the game and admit that is bullshit, because they could've fixed it at half-time. Post game apologies mean nothing to no one.

and I also agree on the Coach's challenge. You shouldn't be able to use it more than maybe once per quarter or per half, but if you use it early and are successful, you should have no penalty of a used TO and retain your challenge for future use.
This way you can still challenge blatantly bad calls, but also still need to be strategic about it's use if the call was questionable and it's still too early in the game to gamble.
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Post by: broodwars on January 23, 2021, 10:37:09 PM
As of this writing, it looks like the Warriors have found themselves shredded by a very musical buzzsaw. :D

Hey Shaq! It looks like our "second or third" option is currently outscoring Steph Curry (though he won't need to continue outscoring him for the Jazz to win this game), so go **** yourself, "Aight". :P

Seriously, I understand where the TNT staff were coming from with those comments, but I don't understand why Shaq chose to openly be a dick to Mitchell on live TV.

On a side note, I really like the twist on the greatest Jazz logo with these meme shirts.

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ZNxobculuWX63WZiYulticUNQNo=/0x0:618x619/920x613/filters:focal(263x241:361x339):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/68708435/Aight.0.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2021, 07:50:46 AM
We got slaughtered, as expected.
Curry moved to #2, as predicted
It was not a good game for the Dubs, but I only listened to the first half.

I missed what exactly was said by the TNT crew, Shaq specifically this time, but we know Shaq and Barkley consistently have terrible takes. I heard Durant wasn't having it, but I still never actually took the time to find out specifically what it was all about.

Edit: fixed autocorrect mistakes
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Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2021, 08:12:11 AM
We got slaughtered, as expected.
Curry moved to #2, as predicted
It was not a good game for the Dubs, but I only larger to the first half.

I missed what exactly was said by the TNT crew, Shaq specifically this time, but we know Shaq and Barkley consistently have terrible taskes. I heard Durant wasn't having it, but I still never actually took the time to find out surgically what it was all about.

Some relevant links:

1. The TNT crew discussing Donovan Mitchell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WUQculA1Y8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WUQculA1Y8)

2. Shaq talking to Donovan post-game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2keoH6vtX4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2keoH6vtX4)

I get what Shaq was possibly TRYING to do, but he just comes off as a jerk.
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Post by: Adrock on January 24, 2021, 01:25:28 PM
I mostly agree with the takes in the first clip. Kenny's criteria for what makes a superstar is sound. I can't really argue with Shaq and Barkley saying Mitchell isn't a superstar. He isn't, not yet anyway. Mitchell is in his fourth year. Can y'all give him a minute? Not everyone is Michael Jordan. Wardell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsHqnn-VM0) Curry wasn't a superstar until what, his fifth or sixth season. I don't mean that as a Curry-Mitchell player comparison, just pointing out it's okay that Mitchell isn't a superstar right now. At 24, he's probably like three years from entering his prime. I'm extremely high on Mitchell so I think he gets there.

In the second clip, Shaq is clearly poking the bear. He wants Mitchell to get angry because he's of the mindset that emotion, particularly anger, can take your game to another level. Consider that this is the same person who created a whole narrative about David Robinson refusing to give him an autograph just so he could be angry when playing the Spurs. It's also at least part of the reason he has been so shitty to Dwight Howard since 2004. Howard wanted a mentor, but Shaq demanded Howard prove he deserved respect, use that trolling to be better. That isn't who Howard is. It's kind of the same reason Shaq never talks **** about Hakeem Olajuwon. What's he going to say? Shaq may have more rings, but he never beat Olajuwon in the Finals.

My problem with Shaq here is it's almost as if he has no idea that other people can have a different approach to the game than And-It-Became-Personal-To-Me® (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss5Ndz0tn9o). Interestingly, Olajuwon is one of the old heads who gives back to the game and works out with young players (I think they pay him, but still).
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Post by: broodwars on January 24, 2021, 03:55:09 PM
I mostly agree with the takes in the first clip. Kenny's criteria for what makes a superstar is sound. I can't really argue with Shaq and Barkley saying Mitchell isn't a superstar. He isn't, not yet anyway. Mitchell is in his fourth year. Can y'all give him a minute? Not everyone is Michael Jordan. Wardell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsHqnn-VM0) Curry wasn't a superstar until what, his fifth or sixth season. I don't mean that as a Curry-Mitchell player comparison, just pointing out it's okay that Mitchell isn't a superstar right now. At 24, he's probably like three years from entering his prime. I'm extremely high on Mitchell so I think he gets there.

In the second clip, Shaq is clearly poking the bear. He wants Mitchell to get angry because he's of the mindset that emotion, particularly anger, can take your game to another level. Consider that this is the same person who created a whole narrative about David Robinson refusing to give him an autograph just so he could be angry when playing the Spurs. It's also at least part of the reason he has been so shitty to Dwight Howard since 2004. Howard wanted a mentor, but Shaq demanded Howard prove he deserved respect, use that trolling to be better. That isn't who Howard is. It's kind of the same reason Shaq never talks **** about Hakeem Olajuwon. What's he going to say? Shaq may have more rings, but he never beat Olajuwon in the Finals.

My problem with Shaq here is it's almost as if he has no idea that other people can have a different approach to the game than And-It-Became-Person-To-Me® (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss5Ndz0tn9o). Interestingly, Olajuwon is one of the old heads who gives back to the game and works out with young players (I think they pay him, but still).

Like I said, I get what he was trying to do, but he just came off rude with Mitchell. Apparently, other players like Lebron & Durant also found it a bit over the line.

I agree with the overall sentiment that Mitchell is a bit of a one-trick pony right now, but I find the dismissive "2nd or 3rd option" comment about him to be insulting considering how many games I've seen Mitchell put this team on his back in previous years.

Plus, I'm sure Mitchell COULD have a double-double in assists or rebounds if he really wanted to. Thing is, he's playing on a team with expert passers and elite rebounders. Scoring is his area of expertise, much as rebounding and blocks are with Gobert. He doesn't NEED to perform the role of others on a team that's built for team play. The Jazz system just isn't designed to have players go off for 30-60 point nights.

Also, I find all of this a bit rich coming from a guy who couldn't hit a shot more than 2 feet from the rim in his prime.  :P
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Post by: Adrock on January 24, 2021, 08:50:33 PM
Like I said, I get what he was trying to do, but he just came off rude with Mitchell. Apparently, other players like Lebron & Durant also found it a bit over the line.
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I merely used the clips you posted as a jumping off point. Shaq's comments were rude. They're also silliness because he acts like there isn't another way which is demonstrably false. Tim Duncan, for example, has more rings than Shaq while being like the most soft spoken superstar in league history.
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I agree with the overall sentiment that Mitchell is a bit of a one-trick pony right now, but I find the dismissive "2nd or 3rd option" comment about him to be insulting considering how many games I've seen Mitchell put this team on his back in previous years.
Contextually, Shaq is referring to Mitchell being a first option on a championship team which fine, in Shaq's defense, Mitchell hasn't been. Verdict is out on this season though based on record, the Jazz are doing very well. Put Mitchell on the last few championship teams, and he wouldn't be the first option on any of them. Even on the top contenders of the last few years, he still wouldn't be the first option. Shaq wasn't necessarily wrong. Didn't have to be a dick about it though.
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Plus, I'm sure Mitchell COULD have a double-double in assists or rebounds if he really wanted to.
Okay, I disagree with this. Sure, Mitchell is skilled enough to lead the Jazz in assists and rebounds, but they aren't winning many games that way.
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Also, I find all of this a bit rich coming from a guy who couldn't hit a shot more than 2 feet from the rim in his prime.  :P
I get that you're partially joking, but I don't understand your point regardless. Shots two feet from the rim are the highest percentage shots in basketball, and prime Shaq could get them at will. It sounds easy except if it was so easy, everyone would do it. Prime Shaq's footwork was amazing, and he was double/triple teamed while also often being fouled with or without the whistle. This sounds like I'm being a homer, but I should note I didn't like the Lakers until they lost to the Celtics in 2008.
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Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2021, 10:11:28 PM
I was so excited to finally get a Lakers game called by Mike Breen and Doris Burke then they played like garbage. Cool, cool. Nice 10-0 road start they once had there.

Edit: 11-0 run right as I stopped watching. Cool, cool.

Edit: 13-0 run.

Final edit: Aaaaaaand they lost. Harris with the game winner.
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Post by: broodwars on January 28, 2021, 12:14:09 AM
Meanwhile, the Jazz took the #1 record in the League right now with their 10th win in a row against the Dallas Mavericks.

Honestly, on paper this game should not have been the blowout it was. The Mavericks just got 3 of their starters back from CoVid quarantine; Donovan Mitchell was out on Concussion watch following a rough game against the Knicks last night; Derrick Favors was out due to a minor injury from the same game; and we were on the 2nd night of a back-to-back. And last night's game against the Knicks was a rough one, with the team coming from behind by double-digits to win the game in the 4th quarter.

This year's Jazz team is something else, though. Rudy Gobert had the best game he's had in years: 29 points; 20 rebounds; 3 steals; 3 blocks; and 1 assist. Jordan Clarkson went off for a 31 point, 7 rebound game. Ingles & Conley also had big games in their own right.

The one player Jazz fans are extremely baffled about is Bojan Bogdanovic. After a great season last year, the guy just has not managed to put together 1 good game all season, and we really need him. I don't know if he's not getting enough touches with Conley finally finding his groove on this team or if his surgery at the end of last season is still bothering him, but we really need him when we face the real heavy-hitters.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2021, 02:42:01 AM
Haha Lakers.

Anyway, Warriors had a ROUGH start tonight, but once the 1st quarter ended, things seemed pick up for both teams.  Turned out to be pretty good game for the last 3 quarters.

Funny thing is that trade rumors have been circulating about Lonzo Ball, and somehow the Warriors and Kelly Oubre got mixed up in it all.... main question is, WHO WANTS LONZO BALL!?
Oubre ain't perfect, but he's a much better player than Ball. Besides Oubre had a helluva night tonight. didn't miss **** till the 4th quarter. He played hard, maybe harder than usual, and it was probably because of those trade rumors, but he was crucial to the Warriors winning tonight.

But seriously, who is trying to trade for Lonzo Ball?
we got no space for the BS in the Bay.
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Post by: broodwars on January 30, 2021, 10:01:16 AM
Well, Mitchell continues to be out on Concussion watch and Favors out with back soreness, but the Jazz wiped the floor with the Mavericks anyway (again) for their 11th straight win.

You know how I was just saying that fans were frustrated with Bojan because he hadn't had one good game all season?

32 points, 2 assists.

I think he might have had a good game.  :P

Also, it really goes to show how different the NBA of the 90s was compared to today, as Joe Ingles just passed John Stockton to become the Jazz's all time leader in 3 point shots made, despite John spending an entire career with the Jazz and Joe only a few seasons.
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Post by: Adrock on January 30, 2021, 11:00:57 PM
Klay Thompson is a terrible interviewee. This is straight up painful.

Damian Lillard hit another game winner (https://youtu.be/VGnRZRPG4tQ). I feel like game winners can be a countable stat for him.
Also, it really goes to show how different the NBA of the 90s was compared to today, as Joe Ingles just passed John Stockton to become the Jazz's all time leader in 3 point shots made, despite John spending an entire career with the Jazz and Joe only a few seasons.
In a semi-recent interview, Steve Nash said he wished he shot more three pointers. My first thought was yeah, you and John Stockton. Then again, if Stockton shot more, he may not be the NBA all-time assist leader by something like 3,700 assists. I mean, records are made to be broken. This one seems insurmountable to me.
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Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2021, 12:17:36 AM
Holy shiz, man. The end of the Wizards vs Nets game was bananas. Did anyone see that live? I only saw a recap/highlights. I was going to put the game on then figured the Wizards were going to get murder-death-killed so instead chose to focus on reinstalling my upstairs toilet. Stupid. It’s one of the best finishes this season. I highly recommend looking it up.

And I’m indifferent to most teams which is helpful as a basketball fan because I can put on any game and not feel that pressure of rooting for one team over another, and just enjoy the game for what it is. That said, tonight, YOU HAD ONE JOB, JAZZ. Now the Clippers have the best record.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2021, 12:27:32 AM
I was listening to it on the XM while driving, up till somewhere before halftime.

Considering the comments by Beal about their team needing a miracle, and the interview with the coach about not wanting to trade Beal ever, I could see Westbrook wanting to make a statement game against Durant.

I'm gonna go watch the highlights later.
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Post by: broodwars on February 01, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
Holy shiz, man. The end of the Wizards vs Nets game was bananas. Did anyone see that live? I only saw a recap/highlights. I was going to put the game on then figured the Wizards were going to get murder-death-killed so instead chose to focus on reinstalling my upstairs toilet. Stupid. It’s one of the best finishes this season. I highly recommend looking it up.

And I’m indifferent to most teams which is helpful as a basketball fan because I can put on any game and not feel that pressure of rooting for one team over another, and just enjoy the game for what it is. That said, tonight, YOU HAD ONE JOB, JAZZ. Now the Clippers have the best record.

*shrugs* Denver always gives us problems. The 2 teams are normally equally matched, but we only just thst day got back Mitchell from concussion protocol and Favors from his back injury. I kinda already had that game pencilled as a loss. I just hope we don't lose to the Pistons tomorrow like the Lakers somehow managed to do last week. :P

We have a rough road trip ahead of us this month. I wouldn't be surprised if we took a bit of a beating in the standings, especially while Mitchell's still getting back into fighting form.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2021, 10:47:37 AM
Holy shiz, man. The end of the Wizards vs Nets game was bananas. Did anyone see that live? I only saw a recap/highlights. I was going to put the game on then figured the Wizards were going to get murder-death-killed so instead chose to focus on reinstalling my upstairs toilet. Stupid. It’s one of the best finishes this season. I highly recommend looking it up.

And I’m indifferent to most teams which is helpful as a basketball fan because I can put on any game and not feel that pressure of rooting for one team over another, and just enjoy the game for what it is. That said, tonight, YOU HAD ONE JOB, JAZZ. Now the Clippers have the best record.

*shrugs* Denver always gives us problems. The 2 teams are normally equally matched, but we only just thst day got back Mitchell from concussion protocol and Favors from his back injury. I kinda already had that game pencilled as a loss. I just hope we don't lose to the Pistons tomorrow like the Lakers somehow managed to do last week. :P

We have a rough road trip ahead of us this month. I wouldn't be surprised if we took a bit of a beating in the standings, especially while Mitchell's still getting back into fighting form.

Especially how after the Warriors left you a husk of a team too face. They may be ready for a fight to re-establish their confidence after that last game. So be ready. 🤣
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Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
*shrugs* Denver always gives us problems. The 2 teams are normally equally matched, but we only just thst day got back Mitchell from concussion protocol and Favors from his back injury. I kinda already had that game pencilled as a loss. I just hope we don't lose to the Pistons tomorrow like the Lakers somehow managed to do last week. :P
Ehh, the Lakers were on a second game of a back to back, third game in four nights, and Anthony Davis was injured. I would have been more surprised if they won that game. To the Pistons credit, they’ve rattled off some impressive wins this season. They recently beat the Sixers too. It has not been a good time recently for teams I root for.

I feel like you’re under the impression that I was **** talking the Jazz. On the contrary, I was actively rooting for the Jazz in that game in particular when I normally wouldn’t have chosen sides, mostly because I still find the Clippers hard to like. Paul George’s general attitude, lack of self-accountability, blatant dishonesty etc. kind of sours the entire team to me even though I like Kawhi Leonard’s game. The Nets are in the same boat for me. I thoroughly enjoy watching Kevin Durant play basketball so much that I could have convinced myself to mostly tolerate Kyrie Irving dribble out a shot clock and say weird nonsense off the court then the Nets traded for James Harden who plays the most infuriating style of basketball. So much for that.

As for the actual game, the Nuggets, who are markedly worse than last year after losing two rotation players this season, got a career night out of Nikola Jokic. At that point, you kind of have to just hope your team can weather that storm.
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Post by: broodwars on February 01, 2021, 04:48:59 PM
Adrock, I know. I share your disdain for the Clippers. I also know you were just kidding. That's why I traded your jest with one of my own about the Lakers' recent loss against a team they should have beat.  :P
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Post by: Adrock on February 02, 2021, 10:15:15 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/LJDDBZL/FA9-E7-A0-E-F409-48-E6-A16-C-4-CBB1-BCD7-B09.png)

Ehh, I still picked the Nets tonight. NBA is unpredictable. Back-to-back, the Nets lost to the worst team in the league by record then beat the best team in the league by record. Well, not anymore. The Clippers’ loss puts the Jazz back up.

Anyway, I didn’t realize there was a double header. I liked the We Believe Warriors, but I really don’t like the colors.
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Post by: broodwars on February 02, 2021, 10:55:14 PM
You know, one of these days I'd like to see some documentarian do a deep-dive into why the Eastern Conference is such a colossal joke every single year. Every year, without fail, the Eastern Conference is dominated by 1-2 teams, with a severe drop-off after that. Meanwhile, the Western Conference is a meat-grinder. Every year. Without fail.

Right now, only the top 5 teams in the Eastern Conference have a winning record, closed out by Boston at 10-8. The 6th ranked team, Atlanta, is 10-10. Meanwhile, in the Western Conference the top 10 teams have winning records, closed out by San Antonio at 11-10. And 11 & 12 aren't far from reaching .500 records. Yeah, there's a lot of season still left, but that's just SAD.

Every time this happens, I feel ready to sign on with those people who think we should scrap the East-West system altogether for the playoffs & just play the Top 16 ranked teams by overall record.
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Post by: Adrock on February 03, 2021, 12:09:44 AM
The Heat should be better, but they’ve been ravaged by injuries this season. They have time to turn it around though they did just lose Myers Leonard for the season.

Otherwise, I don’t think it’s a secret.

West coast is warmer. That matters to players on their day off. Also, it depends on ownership. For example, the Clippers were never going to win anything when Donald Sterling owned the team because he didn’t want to spend any money until what, 2012. Now? Steve Ballmer is the wealthiest team owner in the league by far. It doesn’t matter that the Clippers was the worst run team for like 30 years. They’re in Los Angeles AND Ballmer will likely spend whatever the CBA will allow to put together a competitive team. That’s attractive to the best players.

It’s a shame the Knicks have been terrible for 20+ years because James Dolan f-ing sucks at owning the team. It may not be warm, but it’s New York. Superstars can expand their brand there though they likely view it as NBA purgatory.
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Post by: Shaymin on February 03, 2021, 10:03:22 AM
Neat bit of history last night: Fred Van Vleet dropped 54 on Orlando for the most points ever scored in a NBA game by a player who wasn't drafted.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2021, 10:56:35 AM
Dubs had a close one against the Celtics last night.

I feel like we couldn't pulled it off if we had Wiseman and/or Looney.
Without Curry AND Draymond on the floor, our squad was playing fuckball out there. I feel if they can get into the groove of playing Warrior ball, which focuses on ball movement and people constantly in motion trying to get open, when the stars are and aren't on the floor, and also play to try and help Curry get open, even if only for a split second, we would see more wins in close games out of this team.
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Post by: broodwars on February 03, 2021, 09:19:10 PM
I would be remiss not to mention that just before the Corpse of Dante Exum was traded to the Rockets as part of the Harden trade, he got injured again & isn't expected to return to the court until March at the earliest.

Getting rid of him to get Jordan Clarkson might be the best trade the Jazz have made since the 90s.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2135530/dante-exum (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2135530/dante-exum)
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Post by: Adrock on February 04, 2021, 10:18:52 PM
The Sixers are currently down 27 points at home to a Blazers team playing without Lillard, McCollum, Nurkic, and Collins. Carmelo Anthony has 22 points. WHAT YEAR IS IT?! I get they were in Charlotte last night, but woof, they couldn’t have asked for a better opponent on the second night of a back-to-back.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 04, 2021, 10:46:05 PM
Well, Curry sat out an entire 4th quarter today against the Mavs.
Oubre led the team with his a Career High 40pts.... he was 7-10 from the 3pt line!!!

and I go tot watch it on a 20ft screen using my Oculus Quest 2.
It was GLORIOUS.
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2021, 12:56:02 AM
and I go tot watch it on a 20ft screen using my Oculus Quest 2.
It was GLORIOUS.
Yeah, well, I cracked my iPad screen tonight so you know, same thing.

Reggie Miller dropped some nice trivia tonight. Apparently, LeBron James has the most 25 (or more) point games in NBA history. Tonight was his 800th. That’s bananas. He also passed Wilt Chamberlain for third all-time in field goals made. I’m rooting for James to eventually get that elusive all-time scoring leader spot.
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Post by: broodwars on February 05, 2021, 10:46:57 AM
Oh hey, speaking of random NBA stats that only exist to fill air time and inflate egos, the Jazz recently set an NBA record for 11 straight games of 15 3 point shots or more made. The previous record holder was the Houston Rockets at 10 games. :P
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2021, 01:14:08 PM
I know you’re joking. I’m merely trying to give Reggie Miller a little bit of credit for saying something mildly interesting because his basketball commentary sucks.

I like fun stats. While I’m rooting for James to eventually get the all-time scoring record, I eventually want someone to surpass him then someone else to surpass that person and so on. That’s how this should work. The positive records shouldn’t last forever.
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Post by: broodwars on February 05, 2021, 06:27:25 PM
I know you’re joking. I’m merely trying to give Reggie Miller a little bit of credit for saying something mildly interesting because his basketball commentary sucks.

I like fun stats. While I’m rooting for James to eventually get the all-time scoring record, I eventually want someone to surpass him then someone else to surpass that person and so on. That’s how this should work. The positive records shouldn’t last forever.

No one's catching Stockton's Assist & Steals records. The modern NBA's simply not built to replicate the unique set of circumstances that led to those records in the first place, because no player plays a nearly 20 year career anymore. The game is just too fast and too scoring-oriented for those kind of careers, and the role of the point guard position has radically changed since Stockton's day.

For anyone to catch Stockton's Assists record, you'd need a top-of-the-league passer to just happen to get paired up with an all-time scorer early in their career & then play in a system built to generate assists for nearly 20 years. The Steals record is much more likely, though I just don't see anyone matching Stockton's Steals numbers for as many years as he played. Nash & Kidd put in valiant attempts on those records, but even they couldn't come close.

I remember the NBA championing Jose Calderon as the next John Stockton shortly following Stockton's retirement. Does anyone even remember Calderon?  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Adrock on February 05, 2021, 09:59:57 PM
I like how this wasn’t about the Jazz then you made it about the Jazz again.

I acknowledged the difficulty of overtaking the assist record:
In a semi-recent interview, Steve Nash said he wished he shot more three pointers. My first thought was yeah, you and John Stockton. Then again, if Stockton shot more, he may not be the NBA all-time assist leader by something like 3,700 assists. I mean, records are made to be broken. This one seems insurmountable to me.
I guess there’s no telling what the future holds. I think eventually the steals record will be broken. Steve Nash was nowhere close. He’s currently 226 on the all-time steals list. Chris Paul, however, is seven and the highest ranking active player (LeBron James is 13). He isn’t catching Stockton, but he could have based on skill. Paul just missed too many games. I guess that’s your point. My point however is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s all-time scoring record seemed untouchable once upon a time (he’s held it for over 30 years). LeBron James probably takes that record in 2023 because he has the longevity and lack of injury history to do it. Some kid currently in junior high could be the guy who dethrones Stockton.
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2021, 12:38:27 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qrsF02P/183-A51-AA-0642-4012-8019-EBB738-D12-D7-A.jpg)

Another one of these for me. I begrudgingly choose the Celtics because they have a worse record. They pulled out a win, and it was a good, close game in the second half. The Celtics came back from 12 down. Kawhi Leonard missed two shots to tie right at the end. Whomp.
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Post by: broodwars on February 06, 2021, 07:36:03 AM
Well, the Jazz won their 3rd straight with a win over Gordon Hayward and Co. in Charlotte...but this one cost us. Mike Conley is now out with a right hamstring injury, so we likely won't have him for our upcoming games against the Pacers, Celtics, and Bucks. Those games were going to be rough as it was.

As for the records thing, I only brought up Stockton because records may exist to be broken, but with the current construction of the league I just don't see some of the records ever being broken.

- Scoring's likely to be broken. Lebron doesn't have to average that many points over the next few seasons to break it.
- No one's touching Wilt Chamberlain's rebound record. Dwight Howard is the closest active player, and he's still 10,000 rebounds short.
- Blocks & Steals will get broken someday, though they will require players with exceptional longevity.
- As we've covered, no one's touching that Assists record
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Post by: Adrock on February 06, 2021, 11:52:34 PM
Curse these overlapping games. I stopped watching Warriors vs. Mavericks in the third quarter. That was one hell of a finish.
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Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2021, 01:05:48 AM
Lakers almost got swept by the Pistons. LOL.

Play fuckball and go to double overtime against the worst team in the league by record without three of their key players. This is one of the ugliest games (any team) I’ve watched this year. Both teams had over 20 turnovers. Like did y’all feel like playing basketball? Was the ball covered in COVID-19 and HIV?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 07, 2021, 01:20:44 PM
I'm upset I missed the Warriors game.
Saw the highlights and Curry was carrying the team, and we only lost by 2. Looked like one of those games where if we had a center, it might've changed the outcome by giving us some low post lobs and a few offensive rebound second chance attempts.
Not to mention we were also missing Paschal who use usually worth enough points to have tipped the game to our favor.

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Post by: Adrock on February 09, 2021, 01:01:29 AM
The Thunder are weirdly good this season despite Sam Presti’s best efforts to tank again, this time by trading Chris Paul, Dennis Schröder, AND Steven Adams. They’re only two games from the eighth seed in the West. How is this even possible?

Unrelated: The Pistons traded Derrick Rose to the Knicks because Tom Thibodeau is dead set on another early-2010s Bulls reunion tour. Maybe he’ll dust off Luol Deng for one last ride. In all seriousness, the Knicks are surprisingly okay thus far. They’re currently only a half game from the eighth seed in the East since the Raptors decided to get their act at least partially together.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2021, 10:16:21 AM
Draymond getting MEME'D to infinity and back for last night.

Chance to tie the game, need to get the ball to Steph. Inbound ball to Draymond with no shot clock and 8 seconds left in game. Draymond pulls up from Logoland fucking a terrible shot at the backboard in good of a foul with 5 seconds left on the clock.

Entire Stadium, Dubnation, announcers, everyone watching at home, and both teams looking like ::swaggyP??.gif::
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Post by: broodwars on February 10, 2021, 12:47:25 AM
Well, that was a wild one tonight with Celtics vs. Jazz. We REALLY need Mike Conley back as soon as possible to get this offense back under control. I'm getting really tired of Jordan Clarkson just chucking up 3s every chance he gets (and missing most of them when he's playing PG). Hell, the entire team is a little too in love with chucking up 3s for my taste.

At least the Jazz finally get a few days off to rest before having take on the Bucks on Friday. There have been a lot of back-to-back and 3-games-in-4-nights lately.
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Post by: Adrock on February 11, 2021, 12:58:46 AM
I'm disappointed I didn't watch Hawks vs. Mavericks. The Mavs were down by 10 when I checked the score so I didn't bother.

Bucks vs. Suns was also close. There just isn't enough time in the day to watch these games.

LOL Lakers. Almost lost to the Thunder again. It look a game tying three pointer from LeBron James at the end of regulation then a LeBron James steal at the end of overtime to squeak out a win. They keep playing fuckball for three quarters. Fell behind by 20 in the first half. I'm not even sure this wouldn't have been close if Anthony Day-to-Davis played.
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Post by: Adrock on February 11, 2021, 04:21:35 PM
Saw this neat-o bit of trivia: Zach LaVine and Coby White are the first teammates in NBA history to each have 8+ three pointers in the same game.

Steph and Klay = frauds confirmed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 11, 2021, 07:07:44 PM
Saw this neat-o bit of trivia: Zach LaVine and Coby White are the first teammates in NBA history to each have 8+ three pointers in the same game.

Steph and Klay = frauds confirmed.

I'm gonna need that fact checked....
There has to be a game where they at least got close to that stat, and this new stat was created just to give them one all to themselves.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 12, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Over the last 15 games, Curry pulling the Warriors up from the gutter and putting himself in the MVP race conversation (not sure who's actually talking about it right now, or who was being mentioned, but Curry out here trying to start the convo)

(https://i.redd.it/ndttx99yb2h61.jpg)

we may not have won all the games, but the majority of the last 2 weeks have all been close, and Curry put the team on his back in nearly every one of them.
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Post by: Adrock on February 13, 2021, 12:57:26 AM
Best thing I did for myself today was I stopped watching the Lakers **** around in the first quarter (falling behind 20 to 2) and put on WandaVision instead. Again, they decided to start playing basketball in the second half.

Elsewhere in the Association, the Pistons beat another playoff-caliber team (Celtics). Here’s a bit of neat-o trivia: Blake Griffin hasn’t dunked since 12/14/2019.

Also, Rudy Gobert dunked ALL over Giannis Antetokounmpo tonight/last night. Everyone gets dunked on, but oof. A little revenge from when Antetokounmpo dunked on Gobert last month. He did also block a weak Gobert layup later in the game so maybe that evens things out. 🤷‍♀️

Here’s a bonus bit of neat-o trivia: The Bucks have not beat the Jazz in Salt Lake City since 2001. FRAUDS.
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Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2021, 06:09:21 PM
Anthony Day-to-Davis is out for the next two to three weeks with a calf strain when he’ll be reevaluated. The Lakers will undoubtedly be extra cautious given this is the same injury Kevin Durant suffered before he came back during the 2019 Finals and his Achilles exploded. It should be noted Davis doesn’t have the same leg/foot injury history as Durant.

This injury could not have come at a worse time as this is a particularly fun stretch of games, notably the Nets, Heat, Jazz, Blazers, Warriors, and Suns. I’m fine with them losing because LOL-regular-season, but man, as a basketball fan, those would presumably be better games with the Lakers at full strength. Hopefully, this lights a fire under their feet and they stop fucking around in the first half.
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Post by: broodwars on February 15, 2021, 06:41:00 PM
Anthony Day-to-Davis is out for the next two to three weeks with a calf strain when he’ll be reevaluated. The Lakers will undoubtedly be extra cautious given this is the same injury Kevin Durant suffered before he came back during the 2019 Finals and his Achilles exploded. It should be noted Davis doesn’t have the same leg/foot injury history as Durant.

This injury could not have come at a worse time as this is a particularly fun stretch of games, notably the Nets, Heat, Jazz, Blazers, Warriors, and Suns. I’m fine with them losing because LOL-regular-season, but man, as a basketball fan, those would presumably be better games with the Lakers at full strength. Hopefully, this lights a fire under their feet and they stop fucking around in the first half.

If it makes you feel any better, the Jazz will probably still be without Mike Conley at that point, who has been sidelined for the last 10 days or so with a similar Hamstring injury to the one that had him out most of last season. We've been very fortunate to have done as well as we have without our starting Point Guard, who had been having a Career Year.
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Post by: Adrock on February 15, 2021, 11:20:27 PM
If it makes you feel any better, the Jazz will probably still be without Mike Conley at that point, who has been sidelined for the last 10 days or so with a similar Hamstring injury to the one that had him out most of last season. We've been very fortunate to have done as well as we have without our starting Point Guard, who had been having a Career Year.
It doesn't. That makes the Jazz worse. Ideally, I want all teams to be healthy because we get better basketball. There are only so many regular season games that have a playoff-like atmosphere. The Lakers were poised to have four or five in the next two weeks.

The important thing is Davis gets healthy for the playoffs and obviously to prevent a further, more catastrophic injury. It's still hard not lament how much less exciting Lakers vs. Nets/Jazz were going to be.
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Post by: broodwars on February 15, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
You know it's been a strange game when Jordan Clarkson scores 40 points, Donovan Mitchell 24 points, & Joe Ingles 20 points...and the game STILL came down to the wire. -_-

I'll gladly take the win, especially since the Jazz got shot out of the gym for most of the 1st quarter, but considering Jordan Clarkson had more 3 pointers than the ENTIRE 76ers team...you'd think we'd have won by more than 9 points.

Incidentally, if the Jazz can keep this up through the rest of the season, Jordan Clarkson has to be the shoe-in for 6th Man of the Year. Considering the uncertainty surrounding him when we traded the Corpse of Dante Exum for him, saying he's been a wild success is an understatement.
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Post by: Adrock on February 17, 2021, 12:55:09 AM
I missed most of the Lakers' game because I thought it started at 10:00 PM EST.

I did watch most of Nets vs. Suns. Once the Suns got rolling to a 20+ point lead, I left it on as background noise. Then, the fourth quarter happened. The Nets got their first lead with less than 30 seconds left in regulation with a James Harden three-pointer. How do you let that happen? It should be noted neither Kevin Durant nor Kyrie Irving were active tonight.

On a semi-related note, Harden at point guard is much more tolerable to watch than foul-hunting Harden.

Irving was walking around with a walking stick. That's peak Kyrie Irving right there.
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Post by: broodwars on February 17, 2021, 07:59:28 PM
Following the Jazz's ongoing 1st Place record, it's been decided that Jazz Coach Quin Snyder will coach the Western Conference All Stars.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30918272/sources-utah-jazz-coach-quin-snyder-lead-western-conference-all-star-game (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30918272/sources-utah-jazz-coach-quin-snyder-lead-western-conference-all-star-game)

Doc Rivers is expected to coach the Eastern Conference All Stars, but there has been no official announcement yet.

Honestly, as much prestige as it brings to the team, I hope no one on the Jazz makes the All Star squad. With how rough our schedule's been and how successful we've been, I just want them to rest till the NBA assigns us our next arbitrarily killer schedule. We shouldn't be having an All Star Game at all with all the games that have been postponed (including one of ours against Washington).

EDIT: Jazz took care of business tonight, putting away a Clippers team missing 3 of its Starters (due to injuries) in the 4th quarter. It's good to see the Jazz winning games that they SHOULD win. Last year, this would have been a game they'd have lost, as they often DID when the other team was missing players. We still have another round with the Clippers in a few days, though.
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Post by: Adrock on February 18, 2021, 02:06:26 AM
I tuned in at the end of the third quarter. The Jazz were only up by four. I was like “WTF is happening?!” I watched half of the fourth quarter and the Jazz were up by like 17 then turned that off.

I wish I watched the end of Warriors vs. Heat. That went to overtime. The Warriors out scored the Heat by 10 in the fourth quarter to force overtime then ran away with it.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 18, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
The Warriors game was such a bad game though.

No Draymond at the last second due to ankle issues.
Curry couldn't really hit a shot till late in the 2nd. I think he was something like 2 for 20 in the first half.
and w/o Dray directing traffic and playing 2 man game w/ Curry, it was streetball out there.
That game should've been a blow out, as the Heat were just not good, but lucky for the Warriors, the heat went cold early in the 4th. I think the heat got stuck at 99 for a while... Dubs were down 11 w/ I think 6 minutes left, next thing you know, it was tied at something like 102 w/ around a minute left.

but it was such a sloppy game w/o Dray. reminded me of early season.
It also didn't help that Dubs basically didn't even try for rebounds for half the game. No one ever crashes the boards consistently. We miss out on so many second chance opportunities to be fully staffed on stopping a potential fast break.

a wins a win, but this wasn't a good win. it was a lucky one.
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Post by: Adrock on February 18, 2021, 10:26:23 AM
The Warriors game was such a bad game though.
I didn’t say I wanted to watch the game; I said I wanted to watch the end. The game went to overtime. That at least piques my interest.
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Post by: Adrock on February 19, 2021, 12:27:46 AM
Dennis Schröder got pulled from the lineup an hour before tipoff due to health and safety protocols. It would have been an uphill battle even if he was active. The Lakers rolled out Quinn Cook for a bit there. YIKES. The Nets were on fire from the arc. I just shut this off in the third quarter. Whomp.

Next loss is Saturday against the Heat.
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Post by: broodwars on February 20, 2021, 12:43:06 AM
Well, you can't say the Jazz didn't put up a good fight against a fully armed & rested Clippers team. We lost, but at least we have Conley back now and apparently still in fine form. All things considered, losing one game out of a back-to-back road match like this isn't the worst result to come out of this. I am curious, though, if the actual game looked as suspiciously ref-ed as the play-by-play looked. It looked like every time the Jazz started making a comeback, they were immediately slapped with fouls leading to free throws for LA.
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Post by: Adrock on February 20, 2021, 01:28:40 AM
It could be worse. Taka Watanabe of the Raptors was declared dead last night, killed in action. Rest in peace, sweet prince.
(https://i.ibb.co/5RP90xp/CFC01497-D4-F4-48-AA-89-D3-7-CBA4-C2984-BF.jpg)
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2021, 12:27:02 AM
Yeah, I’m not watching any more Lakers games until Anthony Davis comes back. These frauds gave up a 17 point lead and lost to the Wizards. LOL. I’m not staying up for this ****.
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Post by: broodwars on February 23, 2021, 12:28:59 AM
Yeah, I’m not watching any more Lakers games until Anthony Davis comes back. These frauds gave up a 17 point lead and lost to the Wizards. LOL. I’m not staying up for this ****.

UMM...I wouldn't count the Lakers out just yet...they're down by 2 with 15 seconds to go and control of the ball as of this writing...
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2021, 12:32:09 AM
Great if they pull this off, but this is still embarrassing.
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Post by: broodwars on February 23, 2021, 12:34:41 AM
Great if they pull this off, but this is still embarrassing.

Looking at the Play By Play, Lebron should be doing Free Throw drills for the next 2 days. If he (and Gasol) hit ANY of their last 3 free throws (especially that last one the refs gift-wrapped him), the Lakers would have won in regulation.

Side note: this got recommended to me by Google, and I found it pretty hilarious. Some dude was playing the latest NBA 2K, and his 76ers went up against the Jazz in the NBA Finals. He took a 1 point lead in Game 7 with 2.5 seconds to go...only for Jordan Clarkson to hit a full-court 3 to win the series & the Finals.  :D

Even funnier, he apparently traded Ben Simmons to the Jazz in exchange for Donovan Mitchell during the regular season.

https://twitter.com/LVD____/status/1363921983142961153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1363921983142961153%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fuproxx.com%2Fdimemag%2Fnba-2k-jordan-clarkson-game-winner-70-foot-shot-video%2F (https://twitter.com/LVD____/status/1363921983142961153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1363921983142961153%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fuproxx.com%2Fdimemag%2Fnba-2k-jordan-clarkson-game-winner-70-foot-shot-video%2F)
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Post by: Adrock on February 23, 2021, 12:48:46 AM
🤷‍♀️
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 24, 2021, 04:12:35 PM
I haven't watched a game since friday, and missed the terrible loss by the Warriors.

I saw they had a good win last night, Curry had a good game at least, going by stats.
and we on a the back end of a back2back tonight that I'm gonna try to tune into.

But playing catch-up, what i just noticed, and I'm sure someone has mentioned it recently, but the Dubs are 2 above .500 and in 8th seed in the West. (pretty happy with this, all things considered)

and in the East..... :/
being at .500 gets you the fifth seed.

Silver really should start seeding based on record and not this East/West BS. Gotta make every win count, and not just the ones against the teams in your division.  I feel like last seasons abbreviated bubble schedule would've been the perfect time to experiment with that format, but this season is good too.

Anyone here support a Top 16 seeding over a Top 8 per Division?
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Post by: Adrock on February 24, 2021, 05:18:04 PM
Silver really should start seeding based on record and not this East/West BS. Gotta make every win count, and not just the ones against the teams in your division.  I feel like last seasons abbreviated bubble schedule would've been the perfect time to experiment with that format, but this season is good too.

Anyone here support a Top 16 seeding over a Top 8 per Division?
I do. However, it's probably never going to happen. Adam Silver doesn't make that call. It would be up to a vote by NBA governors. I believe a rule change requires an over 2/3 majority so a minimum of 21 teams. 1 to 16 seeding overwhelmingly favors the Western Conference so literally no way at least five Eastern Conference teams vote to:That last one is a sticking point for Western Conference teams as well. Imagine doing four cross-country playoff series.

Additionally, travel should affect regular season scheduling as well if you want to make top 16 playoff seeding as fair as possible. This season notwithstanding, teams play intra-conference opponents three or four times a season based on a rolling schedule and inter-conference opponents twice a year. From a fan's perspective, it's a great idea. Considering how many moving parts there are, the odds are certainly stacked against it ever getting implemented.
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Post by: Adrock on February 25, 2021, 12:49:01 AM
I'm on a Lakers cleanse right now so I didn't watch the game, but I checked the box score. Woof. They were getting smoked which is going to happen to any team missing two starters against the best team in the league by record. The Lakers are just tired, and you can see it particularly in how poorly they're shooting. Some of the shooting struggles is the law of averages. There was no way they were going to shoot as well as they did in the beginning of the season for the rest of the season. On that last point, I'd keep an eye on three point shooting for the Jazz. Can they continue that through the second half of the season and the playoffs? Maybe. I would bet against that level of efficiency. Not just the Jazz; I would bet against any team shooting at such a high clip. In fact, I did. There was no way Alex Caruso was going to lead the league in three point percentage for the whole year.

Anyway, back to the topic of fatigue, if I learned anything from Coach Nick at BBALLBREAKDOWN on The YouTube, the key to a shooting well is good mechanics, transferring energy from your legs and continuing through your body with proper form. Or look at Klay Thompson. If you're not transferring energy correctly, your arms are doing more work and you're only exhausting yourself further. When your legs are dead, you tend to compensate by using your arms more. In the last couple weeks, LeBron James is missing some shots badly. Clanking that go-ahead free throw on Monday perfectly exemplifies this. He says he isn't tired, but the eye test tells a different story. Free throws were already the weak link in his game. Then, consider that you don't jump on free throws. Without the lift in his legs, he isn't transferring energy correctly and his already questionable free shooting is made even worse. As fit as James is, the exhaustion from trying to carry this team without Anthony Davis (and more recently, Dennis Schröder) is catching up to him at 36.

Fatigue is hurting the rest of the Lakers for that matter. Marc Gasol signed up for 15 to 20 minutes a game. He played almost 30 the other night. Judging by the box score, Frank Vogel did a lot better with keeping the minutes down tonight which is good because that's how players get injured. I kind of wish James just didn't play tonight. Even if Schröder and Davis were active, this game was likely an L. You can't just reinsert them back into the lineup and expect the team to dominate. That doesn't erase all the extra minutes everyone else was playing.
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Post by: broodwars on February 25, 2021, 01:24:44 AM
The Jazz did well tonight despite Donovan having another off-night. One thing I really like about this year's squad is that we may not have a "superstar", but there's seriously about 5-7 guys on the team who can just go off for around 20 points on any given night. I've heard some particularly enthusiastic Jazz fans refer to it as the "Jazz Hydra". Not sure I'm willing to go quite that far yet, but it's comforting to know that we can still succeed with 1-2 players having a rough game.

The Lakers were obviously short-handed so tonight's outcome was pretty expected, but I'll take a win where I can get one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2021, 11:15:29 AM
I just watched a clip of the Jazz dismantling the Hornets late in the game, with a 3rd Qtr push to comeback, that let into a 4th Qtr blowout. It was from earlier in the week (playing catch up).
https://streamable.com/5hc9dz


but this so was this....
(https://i.imgur.com/ljg5T99.png)

Who and what would the Dubs even consider trading for Porzingis that the Mavs would accept?
and then again... what is certainly off the table? Dubs have an interesting young mix, and the pieces  I wouldn't mind seeing being replaced, ain't what the Mav's would take for Porzingis. So who do you think the Mavs reached out looking to trade for?

I assume the Mavs are looking for Wiggins, but what I think are not on the trade table in this situation are:
Steph, Klay, Dray, Wiggins, and Wiseman

But would the Dubs consider parting w/ Wiggins in return for Zingis? and what other sweeteners do we gotta give up? and I like Oubre, he needs some more fine tuning, but I like him. So I don't know what's left. LOL

edit: and I think it was the v Knicks (or v Hornets) game, where our bench/2nd unit scored all of 1 point for the entire 1st half of a quarter, erasing a small lead (luckily the other side couldn't score all that much either), before Curry (and Dray) came back in and all of sudden made the game look like it should've always been a blow out.

If Curry ain't getting an MVP nod this year....
I'm sure there are other contenders out there, but Curry (and Dray) out here dragging this Warriors squad hopefully into a Playoff Spot against their will and all odds.

We gotta give this boost to Dray (DPOY nod) for whipping this team into coordinated team play on both ends of the floor.
(https://i.imgur.com/uKrWlOE.png)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2021, 11:54:07 AM
and in an attempt to not extend that previous post any further.... I'll just double post :)

this is for Brood... can I just offer an early congratulations?

(https://i.imgur.com/RU4L4sP.png)

(no jinx intended... no wood to knock on ;))

edit: and I meant to comment on this clip earlier in the week...
https://streamable.com/7dtyka

how the Pacers just gonna hand the win to the Wiz like this!?
no even one of them cut to an unguarded wide open basket for an easy 2 to tie the game and take it to OT on their home court? Just had to lose the game going for the win from 3 even though that was also unguarded too?

how do you not get rightfully chewed out for this? this is with 3 seconds left in the game... down by 2
(https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/QMtu2NvHvKaOn2H3g4V5MC0UZZWb7ZyArnamU86tbrE/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/EvIOk_YVIAI1b_q.jpg%3Alarge?width=1093&height=608)

edit:
and have ya'll seen this monster? 7'9" and likely dunking without jumping.....
whip dude into shape and what you supposed to do against this guy?
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1365392404275077121?s=20
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2021, 01:10:23 PM
Apparently the Raptors were about to play tonight w/o a coaching staff due to health & safety protocols.
Now they don't have enough players to field a team.... Bulls v Raps has been postponed.


Warriors v Laker tonight gonna be good though.
No AD, and we got a full squad.

We got the toughest schedule coming up (Lakers x2, Blazers, Suns, Clippers, Jazz), so if we can take out the Lakers today, we'll be on a good start to hopefully getting 2-3 wins on this stretch.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2021, 01:25:40 PM
Oh good, some new basketball discussion. Let's do this.
Who and what would the Dubs even consider trading for Porzingis that the Mavs would accept?
Steph or Klay, end of list. The Warriors would never do that, and the Mavericks probably don't want Wiggins and definitely don't want Green. Wiggins and Wiseman should be a non-starter from the Warriors perspective (don't give up two young starters). Maybe the Mavs take Green if packaged with Wiseman, but do the Warriors give up Wiseman for a perennially injured Porzingis? I'm not doing that trade.
this is Brood... can I just offer an early congratulations?

(no jinx intended... no wood to knock on ;))
No, stop that. Your jinxing is not welcome here. If the best record in the league meant anything, I would have celebrated a Suns championship in 1993. I still think about that to this day (with great vengeance and furious anger). That said, if not the Lakers or Sixers this year, I have the Jazz as my dark horse if only because of Shaq's sour grapes. It's as if he woke up one day and decided to come at Gobert AND Mitchell. Why? These old heads and their back-in-my-day BS. willyoushutupman.gif

The Jazz are playing the best kind of basketball (i.e. a lot of ball movement, not settling/looking for the best shot possible etc. etc). My concern is how three point happy they are. When they're falling, great. Few teams have an answer for that. When they're not (at historically great levels), well, see the loss vs. the Heat.
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edit: and I meant to comment on this clip earlier in the week...
https://streamable.com/7dtyka

how the Pacers just gonna hand the win to the Wiz like this!?
no even one of them cut to an unguarded wide open basket for an easy 2 to tie the game and take it to OT on their home court? Just had to lose the game going for the win from 3 even though that was also unguarded too?
I was going to comment on this as well, but I figured no one cared. Yikes. What even happened here? This is where the modern NBA's love affair with the three pointer shows its warts. Three Nuggets players on the weak side and not a single one of them thought about driving to the basket. 2.9 seconds was plenty of time to get a dunk there.
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and have ya'll seen this monster? 7'9" and likely dunking without jumping.....
whip dude into shape and what you supposed to do against this guy?
Wait until his knees give out? 🤷‍♀️ You can tell he was significantly out of shape with the chest jiggling under his shirt (I don't mean that as an insult). He slouches badly so his back is probably not in great condition. If he doesn't have Shaq's footwork, he's probably really easy to take out of plays.
Warriors v Laker tonight gonna be good though.
Is it though?

If the Warriors don't blow out the Lakers tonight, pack it up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 28, 2021, 03:04:09 PM
I mean no jinx on the Jazz. As long as it's not the Lakers or Clippers (or the Nets) in the finals.... I'm ok with the result.
Jazz being a current favorite in likelyhood of making the finals, means neither the Clipper or Lakers made it, so I thought that would be an interesting "stat of the day" to share. hence the congrats.

as for the Dubs v Lakers, I meant it should be a good game to watch as a Warrior fan.
I'm really hoping Curry put on a Lakeshow by soaking the whole place in 3's. If we can get this one, then I'm hoping AD is out for the next still as well and we can sweep them in the season series.
Then if we can take another win or 2 from the Blazers and/or Suns and Clippers, we're in good shape to move up to the 6th seed and stay hopefully stay away from the play-in tourney at the end of the season.... lots of games left to go, but I feel we are finding a rhythm and playing in that groove. Curry and Dray running the show. Wiggins and Oubre on support, and Wiseman improving a bit each game.

Once we get Klay back next year (and ditch wanamaker<?> and other useless bench players, whose names I haven't bothered to learn yet, for some fresh blood looking to make a name for themselves) we should be back in the running as a serious contender.

p.s. I don't think I've watched a full Jazz game yet this year. I'm hoping that I have the time to catch the Dubs v Jazz on the 14th


also, maybe we should talk about the Jeremy Lin statement...
(https://i.imgur.com/lkTjPEo.png)

now I'm not gonna defend the comments made against Lin in any way whatsoever, but I know players will talk **** to get in the head of their opponent while in the game. Rarely is it ever personal, but that's not to speak on how the person receiving the comments may take them.
Especially in todays climate where such comment has been politicized and racism is a hot topic.

talking **** is part of the game, but blatantly racist remarks don't need to be.
Hopefully whoever said that got slapped w/ a hefty fine and a suspension, assuming the league was even aware of it. But I'm glad Lin wasn't too afraid to speak up on it in the first place.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2021, 06:20:40 PM
as for the Dubs v Lakers, I meant it should be a good game to watch as a Warrior fan.
I'm really hoping Curry put on a Lakeshow by soaking the whole place in 3's. If we can get this one, then I'm hoping AD is out for the next still as well and we can sweep them in the season series.
Look, I get what you're saying, but this is ugly fandom. Put another way "I'm hoping this human being stays injured because he plays for a different sportsball team than the one I arbitrarily like." I can't get down with that line of thinking.

From a basketball perspective, I'd rather have more and better competition. I don't want anyone to get hurt or stay hurt. It's only a game, Focker.
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also, maybe we should talk about the Jeremy Lin statement...
Yeah... it certainly didn't help when the leader of the free world emboldened people's worst impulses and called it the "China virus" and "kung flu". There's so much going on in the world that the racism and violence against Asians and Asian Americans is getting overlooked.

Good on Lin for starting the conversation, or at least giving it more exposure.
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talking **** is part of the game, but blatantly racist remarks don't need to be.
In a league that's predominantly black, there's a really easy way for non-black players like Lin to talk **** and get into a black opponent's head. No one would be okay with that. There's no place for bigotry no matter who is saying it yet a lot of people don't understand that unless they personally experience it. If bigotry is wrong, then it's always wrong, and it isn't just a problem when it happens to you.

I also just don't really like trash talking even though I have to accept that it happens. For example, I like the Sixers and I'm high on Joel Embiid, but I wish he would shut the **** up sometimes. I'm alone in the Philadelphia area in this regard. People love his attitude here, but I see it more as a detriment. Last year, Embiid got thrown out of a game and suspended for getting into it with Karl-Anthony Towns. Was that worth it? Recently, he was playing FIFA and said it was harder than guarding Anthony Davis. Haha, right? Except Davis has a championship ring and Embiid doesn't. Davis didn't respond because he doesn't have to. What has Embiid done? Trash talk doesn't work if you're also taken out of the game and/or your opponent is better than you.
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Hopefully whoever said that got slapped w/ a hefty fine and a suspension, assuming the league was even aware of it. But I'm glad Lin wasn't too afraid to speak up on it in the first place.
The last I read about this, the G-League was investigating it, but Lin won't name the person who said it to him. The G-League can probably narrow down the team, but without more evidence, I feel like that's where this ends. I guess good on Lin for not outing his insensitive opponent and probably ending the other player's entire career. Lin made his millions; the dude who said it to him is a G-League player who get paid in Snack Packs.
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Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Wanted to reply about this earlier, but I didn't have access to a computer.

While I'm happy for the Jazz's success, I'm trying to be very careful not to jump to "CHAMPIONSHIP NOW" on this team until we get a lot further into the season and the playoffs. I still remember how LAST year was supposed to be "CHAMPIONSHIP NOW", and we got taken out in the 1st round. Our hot shooting could run dry at any moment as teams learn how to play against us.

I'm annoyed at the general dismissive attitude of the media towards the Jazz (in favor of the 2 LA teams), but some Jazz fans on a Jazz blog I follow the other night were just as bad. They apparently decided to act like typical Lakers fans and talk down about the Heat, and look how that turned out. The Jazz are playing some of the best basketball I've seen since the Stockton & Malone years, but there's still a lot of season left and we could easily get stuck with a team we match up poorly against (like the Nuggets) in the 1st round of the playoffs.

I do hope, though, that the Finals come down to 2 Small Market teams that haven't won a championship before, just for a change and to issue a giant middle finger to the NBA head office and general professional NBA punditry.
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2021, 08:52:45 PM
The Warriors are playing like Anthony Davis is on the injured list.

The Lakers are up by 20 so I'm waiting for them to:
(https://i.ibb.co/FD5HMPy/i-am-a-genius.jpg)
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Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2021, 09:18:03 PM
I do hope, though, that the Finals come down to 2 Small Market teams that haven't won a championship before, just for a change and to issue a giant middle finger to the NBA head office and general professional NBA punditry.
Just out of curiosity, say the Jazz win a championship, how would you going to reconcile this moving forward? Root for the Jazz or a team that hasn't won a title?
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Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2021, 09:46:27 PM
I do hope, though, that the Finals come down to 2 Small Market teams that haven't won a championship before, just for a change and to issue a giant middle finger to the NBA head office and general professional NBA punditry.
Just out of curiosity, say the Jazz win a championship, how would you going to reconcile this moving forward? Root for the Jazz or a team that hasn't won a title?

Dude, I can die content if the Jazz win just one title in my lifetime after the failed Stockton/Malone attempts & the mess that was the Ty Corbin years. If we get that, I'm OK if someone else gets a turn next time, though I'll always be a Jazz fan. That said, I wouldn't be against a Spurs-esque Jazz Small Market Dynasty should one come to pass.  ;)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 01, 2021, 12:28:42 AM
What I was saying is that if we have an advantage against a team, I hope that advantage continues and turns into W's. Of course I want it to be a good game, but still want it to be a game we win.

Turns out we didn't even show up to LA, and The Santa Cruz lookalikes till our place, so it didn't even matter. Maybe it would've been better if AD were playing 🤷🏿‍♂️. Lakers might've played a little slower instead of running us out of LA in the first quarter. 🤣

Either way, Warriors were trash tonight. And Dray may have injured himself 🤦🏿‍♂️.
Monkeys Paw Championship run still trying to linger those side effects!!!

Hopefully Dray is good and can play next game. Just need like 2+ wins on this 6 game stretch to hopefully stay in playoff rankings.
Tonight was a terrible loss that no one wanted to watch. Wasn't even fun for Laker fans.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 07, 2021, 07:56:05 PM
I missed the skills challenge, and I don't know if there was a rookie or World v USA game...
But Steph Curry just won the 3pt Challenge.

Killed it in the 1st round w/ 31.
came down to the last shot in the final round.
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Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
I missed the beginning of Lakers vs Warriors because Knicks vs. Nets overlapped. It was good at the end. I only caught the fourth quarter. For anyone who didn’t watch (which I presume is all of you), on a game tying three point attempt, Kyrie Irving hit the ball in Julius Randle’s hands so he came down with it. The refs called traveling. That call may have changed the outcome of the game. The Knicks still would have had to make a three pointer then win in overtime. I would have liked to have seen that just play out.

Anyway, the Lakers won a game they absolutely should and needed to win after two nights off while the Warriors were on the second game of a back-to-back after just beating the Jazz (which I didn’t get to watch so I have no idea if it was an especially grueling game). Curry did not get a ton of help then ended up sitting the entire fourth quarter. James got one of the quietest triple doubles I’ve ever seen. He “coasted” for huge swaths of the game though you could tell he wanted that triple double because he had eight rebounds going into the fourth quarter and he subbed out as soon as he got that last one. Have to make that case for MVP while Embiid is injured, I guess. 🤷‍♀️
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 16, 2021, 06:53:32 PM
The Warrior v Jazz was a good game. Not just because the Warriors won, but because a majority of the players on the Dubs played a good game.

The Laker game wasn't good. It started off decent, but the second squad just couldn't produce much if anything at all. I don't blame Curry for not trying to bail the team out. Not that Curry was ask that hot anyway
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Post by: BeautifulShy on March 20, 2021, 07:57:00 PM
Ugh LeBron out with a high ankle sprain. Out for at least 6-8 weeks. Likely out till May.  AD still out and being reevaluated still.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 21, 2021, 09:26:52 PM
It's crazy that happen to Lebron when it did. Prior to the game, I was taking to someone about how he had never had any major injury or even anything that really kept him out for many weeks at a time.
I didn't get to watch the game, but got the Google news alert sometime after it happened. I feel like I (and hundreds of millions of others...) jinxed that man that night.
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Post by: broodwars on March 25, 2021, 06:19:44 PM
The Jazz continue to baffle me with their acquisitions. Earlier this month, they signed former Buck Forward Ersan Illysova for the rest of the season, a guy who's played in all of one game for 4 minutes since. Today, they traded a future 2nd round draft pick to Toronto for 2nd year guard Matt Thomas. He's supposedly a sharp-shooting guard.

We're already stocked with 3 point-shooting guards. On the one hand, he would be useful if the 4-5 players ahead of him all got CoVid or were injured. On the other, we basically traded a 2nd round player we'd never play for a 2nd year player who will probably never play outside of garbage time and who will be gone at the end of the season. We needed perimeter defenders. This isn't the NBA draft. We didn't have to "settle for what was available" if nothing worthwhile was on offer.
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Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2021, 06:19:28 PM
The Nets have signed LaMarcus Aldridge when everyone thought he was Miami bound.

Alrighty.

I’m still a little concerned about this team’s defense in the playoffs. Neither Griffin nor Aldridge address that. I’m now actively rooting against the Nets now even with Kevin Durant still on the injured list.

Andre Drummond is the other big name on the buyout market. He’s expected to make a decision today. If he joins the Nets too, I’m just not going to watch basketball again this season.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2021, 07:33:41 PM
Well doesn't that sound like fun.

And people thought the Warriors adding 1 player to the roster was forming a "Super Team" :rolleyes:
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Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2021, 08:30:18 PM
And people thought the Warriors adding 1 player to the roster was forming a "Super Team" :rolleyes:
Come on, man.

How are you even trying to downplay that Warriors super team? That “1 player” was Kevin Durant in his prime who joined a 73-win team with the back-to-back MVP. That Warriors team was already a borderline super team. Their death lineup was five future Hall of Famers, all in their prime. Tail-end-of-his-prime Iguodala was the fifth best player on those teams.

GTFOH with that roll eyes, bruh. LOL. This year’s Nets are worse than those Warriors teams. Griffin and Aldridge are role players at this point and don’t move the needle that much. They don’t even need to play to be worthwhile signings. The Nets got them and [insert team] didn’t. Other contenders are looking at the buyout market like:
(https://i.imgur.com/IgMyx.gif)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 27, 2021, 09:57:51 PM
it's about HOW they were formed, not how good they became together. don't be obtuse.

The 3-1 Warriors (funny how that has multiple meanings) were formed organically and just clicked.
No one saw Steph, Klay, Dray and the addition of Iggy as "Oh no, this team is a SUPER TEAM, they are gonna win 3 Championships and it ain't fair!!! They clicked and surprised the **** out of everyone. ​They then added the best piece they could find to fill a hole and upgrade a position.h Nothing wrong with that

This Nets team has literally brought it major talent "In Prime", "End of Prime" and "Past Prime" all in the last 2 seasons. How many All Star Appearances does this Nets team have between their players?
And now they may also have a shot at Andre Drummond? they are literally trying to be the "Super Team" that the Warriors were accused of "forming".

Just because this Nets team doesn't have the chemistry and excitement of that run of Warriors 2015-2019, doesn't mean they aren't purposely recruiting an All-Star Super Team Squad. Not saying that is wrong, just that they are literally doing what everyone was accusing the Warriors of having done, when that really wasn't the case. This isn't a "Big 3" situation. This is literally an All-Star Team, like the Nets are trying to form a "Justice League" of available players.

Not sure it's gonna work out, but they are certainly hoping to give themselves the best chance possible through talent and experience.
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Post by: Adrock on March 27, 2021, 11:11:44 PM
it's about HOW they were formed, not how good they became together. don't be obtuse.
How is that obtuse? A "super team" is just a team loaded with elite talent. It doesn't matter how they get there. It's so weird how nonchalant you are about a 73-win team adding a generational talent in his prime when they already had a generational talent in his prime on top of a top 15 player and arguably the best defender in the league. There's nothing wrong with the Warriors adding Durant. They did so fair and square, but call a spade a spade. The Warriors were a team full of talent that then added literally one of the best players in league history at the height of his powers. That's the very definition of a super team, and if you're trying to claim otherwise including downplaying the addition of "1 player":
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1AIeYgwnqeBUxh6juu/giphy.gif)

The Nets are adding name-talent, but this isn't 2015. The additions of Griffin and Aldridge in 2021 are closer to the Warriors signing DeMarcus Cousins in 2018 or the Lakers signing Dwight Howard last year. There's a reason they were available for the veteran's minimum. Useful players for sure, good if you can get 10 minutes from them, but are they really putting you over the top? The Nets were already contenders; they're just slightly better contenders now.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 28, 2021, 12:11:10 AM
I didn't say the Warriors weren't a "super team", I said they added 1 player to create this "super team". They evolved from somewhat known players mostly drafted to the team to eventually become super talents over time. They didn't get pulled on to the Warriors because they were already known talents. Durant was added to put them over the top.

What the Nets are doing is literally pulling Known pieces from all over in real time to create a SUPER TEAM.

it's two different things.
The Warriors became a great team. and then added a piece to become SUPER.
The Nets are literally in the process of recruiting a SUPER TEAM.

I'm not even faulting them for it, just pointing out that people were all over the Warriors for adding a single player (albeit a great one) to their squad... the Nets brought on Kyrie and Durant, then added Harden, then added Blake and then LaMarcus, and then may also get a shot at Drummond.
I'm not saying "it's not fair" I'm just pointing out that this it trying to form a Super Team.
They are recruiting known talent from all over. Griffin may be "past his prime" but he was playing possum over in Detroit. He wasn't about to hurt himself trying to push nothing nowhere.
LaMarcus may not be in his prime anymore either, but being able to have quality vets on the squad of Durant, Kyrie and Harden can be as helpful as Warriors having an Iggy on his down slope. Maybe serving a different purpose with a different focus, but helpful none the less.

Besides, I'm all for every team doing what they can to make for the most challenging and entertaining Finals. Who knows if this experiment works, as they may not all work well together.
but the only point I was making is that this is the forming of a "super team" that the Warriors were accused of.
Building a solid ass team through the draft and then trading to fill a need or upgrade a position is what ALL teams hope to do.
Somehow being able to recruit ALL the available named talent to one team in a 2 year span is the literal creation of a "super team" and that's pretty much all my comment was meant to point out.
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Post by: Adrock on March 28, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
I didn't say the Warriors weren't a "super team", I said they added 1 player to create this "super team". They evolved from somewhat known players mostly drafted to the team to eventually become super talents over time. They didn't get pulled on to the Warriors because they were already known talents. Durant was added to put them over the top.
1. "And people thought the Warriors adding 1 player to the roster was forming a "Super Team" :rolleyes:" certainly sounded like you were saying the Warriors weren't a super team, but I'll take your word for it.

2. Durant most certainly did not put the Warriors over the top. They already beat that same Cavaliers team ini the Finals, got better the next year, and only lost the next Finals due to league fuckery. When you break a 20 year old record set by Michael Jordan's Bulls, you're arguably already super team. Adding Durant was like going from Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan 2.
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LaMarcus may not be in his prime anymore either, but being able to have quality vets on the squad of Durant, Kyrie and Harden can be as helpful as Warriors having an Iggy on his down slope. Maybe serving a different purpose with a different focus, but helpful none the less.
Again, sure, Griffin and Aldridge are useful. However, I don't think they're huge difference makers, certainly no where near what Iguodala was to the dynasty Warriors. Dude won Finals MVP almost entirely for his defense on LeBron James. Griffin and Aldridge don't offer much on that end of the floor besides rebounding. Yeah, rebounding is important, but if Giannis is spinning baseline and dunking all over Griffin and/or Aldridge because he's younger, faster, and stronger, that rebounding is far less valuable.
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Post by: Adrock on March 28, 2021, 03:14:18 PM
Andre Drummond plans to sign with Los Angeles Lakers, agent says (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31153886/andre-drummond-plans-sign-los-angeles-lakers-agent-says)

The Lakers:
(https://i.ibb.co/pjf9nV8/rdj.jpg)

Jebus, the Lakers really needed Drummond especially with James and Davis out.

I'm not as down on Marc Gasol as most Lakers fans. He was simply asked to do far more than what he was originally signed to do once Davis got injured. There were games when Gasol played 30 minutes. Nah, man. He'll be fine at 10 to 15 minutes and in the slower pace of the playoffs. On the second unit, I hope y'all like even more Montrezl Harrell dunks. The only issue is Gasol pretty much can't share the floor with Markeiff Morris unless the Lakers want opposing guards zooming right past them possession after possession.

Drummond gives the Lakers a young player to soak up most of the center position minutes. While James and Davis are injured, he should get plenty of touches. Both are likely reasons Drummond picked the Lakers over every other team. The Lakers won't be able to keep him past this season, but he'll get plenty of run to earn his next contract.

The Lakers have one more roster spot which they probably want to fill with a wing. The Magic may or may not buy out Otto Porter Jr. If he becomes available, he'll definitely be the target. The Lakers potentially adding two 27 year old rotation players on the buyout market would be pretty devastating. I'm here for it though.
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Post by: Adrock on April 10, 2021, 01:03:35 AM
So Wiggins is getting cut by the Warriors, right?

Also, Damian Lee is getting cut and will be uninvited from future Curry family barbecues.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 10, 2021, 02:28:55 AM
Also, Damian Lee is getting cut and will be uninvited from future Curry family barbecues.
So Wiggins is getting cut by the Warriors, right?

Also, Damian Lee is getting cut and will be uninvited from future Curry family barbecues.

maybe and YES.

but also they should have left the squad that was out there getting and maintaining the lead stay out there a bit longer.
I really don't know WTF D.Lee was thinking on that last shot....
but Poole did the same thing in the previous quarter, and Curry missed a few layups as well.

plenty of blame to go around. Just not all of it was in the moment that mattered the most.
Looking at you D. Lee.  ( ಠل͟ಠ)┌∩┐
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 11, 2021, 01:58:59 AM
OMG that was an amazing team effort versus the Nets. 8 players in double figures. 9 regular rotation players played. Schroeder, THT, KCP, Markieff, Drummond, McKennie, McLemore and Harrell all had double figures in points. 
 
All these Lakers were out with injuries. LeBron, AD, Kuzma, Wes Mathews and Marc Gasol and Dudley was out.
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Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2021, 01:56:28 PM
I didn't watch most of the game because I was expecting a flustercuck. I checked the score a few times then finally turned it on after the game was basically already decided in the fourth quarter. Nice effort, Nets washed etc. etc.

In all seriousness, a lot had to go right in this game. Hitting 19 three-pointers at 56% certainly helps as does the opponent hitting 5 three-pointers at 19%. I question whether the Lakers could have pulled out a win had Irving and Schröder not been ejected. I'm in the camp of Find A Way To Win. The Lakers were missing like a third of their roster. No one has felt feel sorry for them during this stretch of injuries so they just have to go out every night and play hard.

I'm extremely pleased with the Drummond signing. I hope the Lakers can re-sign him this off-season though he would have to take a significant paycut depending on what Schröder does due to the cap (~$6 million/mini-MLE for Drummond if Schröder stays; full ~$10 million/MLE if he leaves). I'm in favor of players getting paid so I couldn't blame Drummond if he walks because this is likely his last chance at a big contract. Maybe being on a contender with teammates he likes is worth less money to him (he played with KCP on the Pistons and they remained friends).

In fact, I really like this core, and I hope they run it back next season since we barely got to see everyone on the court together due to injuries. Jeanie Buss will absolutely pay the luxury tax, but it'll still be difficult. Harrell will have to take less money again, ~$11 million max when he's worth at least $15 million. Caruso will probably command $7 to $10 million. I don't even know where to begin with Horton-Tucker's contract situation which I don't fully understand. They don't have full Bird-rights, but they can still match any offer because he's a restricted free agent. Who even knows what the hell is happening with Schröder? An unsettling amount of Lakers fans are salty that he won't sign the extension. I'm on Schröder's side. That same contract will be available in the summer, and if he can get slightly more, why wouldn't he do that? Talent doesn't dictate salary; what teams are willing to pay dictates salary.
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Post by: Adrock on April 11, 2021, 03:39:47 PM
Per Shams Charania,  Golden State Warriors rookie James Wiseman has suffered a torn meniscus in his right knee, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1381320293097074692?s=20)

Cursed season is cursed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 12, 2021, 08:21:09 PM
Per Shams Charania,  Golden State Warriors rookie James Wiseman has suffered a torn meniscus in his right knee, sources tell @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1381320293097074692?s=20)

Cursed season is cursed.

3 Championships in 5 straight years of Finals.... Monkey's Paw wish has it's price.... The Injury Bug strikes again.
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Post by: broodwars on April 12, 2021, 10:57:57 PM
Speaking of injury curses, it seems that's finally caught up with us, as we're on our way to getting blown out by the Wizards...again...in Utah...largely due to missing both Mike Conley & Jordan Clarkson to injuries or injury "management" (in the case of Conley). *sigh*
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Post by: Adrock on April 13, 2021, 12:16:07 AM
Besides the injuries, y’all faced Russell Bestbrook tonight. Triple double on over 50% shooting because he didn’t keep jacking up ill-advised three pointers. I wouldn’t be too concerned. Seems more the exception than the rule.

In other news, Wardell Curry is now the Warriors all-time leading scorer after overtaking Wilt Chamberlain. It took Curry over 300 more games to reach 17,783 points which sounds false, right? Chamberlain averaged 41 points to hit that mark.

Curry is also having a ****-you-y’all-aren’t-robbing-me-of-my-glory-tonight kind of game.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 13, 2021, 01:13:29 AM
Speaking of injuries it looks like Jamal Murray got injured on a no contact layup attempt. It looked like his knee buckled.  It was at the end of the game and the Warriors were up by 7 or 8 with 50 seconds left.   That was Denver's 6th game since last Sunday.   The schedule on all these back to backs are ridiculous.   

I honestly believe the schedule is to blame for all these injuries.
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Post by: Adrock on April 15, 2021, 12:11:16 PM
Brooklyn Nets center LaMarcus Aldridge abruptly retires due to health scare (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31262807/brooklyn-nets-forward-lamarcus-aldridge-abruptly-retires-due-health-scare)

Hope Aldridge is okay.

On a light note, Luka Dončić did this to the Grizzlies last night. (https://youtu.be/D00SXDwaYwU) Imagine losing a game that way. That’s almost as heartbreaking as Jeremy Lamb’s game winner a couple years ago (fumbled an inbounds pass then hit a Hail Mary from half-court).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2021, 09:47:53 PM
Doncic with the 3pt floater. LOL

any prayers up to Aldridge to stay healthy.
Just glad he didn't risk it all for the possibility of a ring.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 16, 2021, 12:52:38 AM
With LMA if the Nets happen to win the chip I am sure he will get a ring still.   But yes health first and have a happy retirement.


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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 16, 2021, 01:59:33 AM
With LMA if the Nets happen to win the chip I am sure he will get a ring still.   But yes health first and have a happy retirement.

He may have retired a "Net", but he was literally on the team for what? a week? maybe 2?
Would he even accept a ring in that situation?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 16, 2021, 02:36:03 AM
With LMA if the Nets happen to win the chip I am sure he will get a ring still.   But yes health first and have a happy retirement.

He may have retired a "Net", but he was literally on the team for what? a week? maybe 2?
Would he even accept a ring in that situation?
2 weeks. and I don't know if he would but Troy Daniels was a Nugget after being waived and being part of theLakers, Boogie got his and not even playing a minute and even Avery Bradley got one even though he wasn't in the bubble.
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Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2021, 04:50:02 PM
Per Woj:  Utah All-Star G Donovan Mitchell is getting helped to the locker room with a lower leg injury in Salt Lake City. (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383156084341403657?s=20)

He clarified that “Mitchell turned his right ankle in a pretty severe way.”

Someone check on broodwars.

Without knowing the severity of the injury, it sucks that this happened so late in the season. Comparatively, LeBron got a severe sprained ankle but it happened early enough that he’ll be able to get some run in the regular season to ramp up for the post season. If it’s a similar severe sprain, Mitchell will likely be back in the middle of the playoffs. He doesn’t get the benefit of ramping up. The Jazz are good enough that they shouldn’t drop too many games, but they’re still looking at possibly facing the Warriors, Mavericks, Blazers, Grizzlies, Lakers, or Nuggets in the first round depending on a variety of things. It was a tough road to begin with because the West is stacked. Potentially without Mitchell...
(https://i.ibb.co/Wy1z2Pj/C3794-D6-A-BC9-A-47-C8-9719-4-E6-F53019841.jpg)
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Post by: broodwars on April 16, 2021, 04:56:16 PM
*sigh*

If this ends as badly as it sounds...And so ends yet another season where we were supposed to be championship contenders, all due to injury.

Maybe, just maybe this will finally convince this team to stop relying on last minute heroics from Mitchell to bail them out of sloppy games.

Guess we're going to see what Matt Thomas can do now.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2021, 05:09:17 PM
I’m curious why there’s even a basketball game in the middle of the afternoon on a Friday. Is that normal in Utah?
Maybe, just maybe this will finally convince this team to stop relying on last minute heroics from Mitchell to bail them out of sloppy games.
(https://i.ibb.co/MBDMZt9/2-BC8-CE41-EFCC-4139-BC96-EBCC41-E90010.jpg)
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Post by: broodwars on April 16, 2021, 06:24:00 PM
I’m curious why there’s even a basketball game in the middle of the afternoon on a Friday. Is that normal in Utah?
Maybe, just maybe this will finally convince this team to stop relying on last minute heroics from Mitchell to bail them out of sloppy games.
(https://i.ibb.co/MBDMZt9/2-BC8-CE41-EFCC-4139-BC96-EBCC41-E90010.jpg)

I'm pretty sure this is a makeup game from earlier in the year, just like the Washington game we just played. It's not usual, so just chock that up to the arbitrary needs of this bizarre season.

Well, while we're waiting to find out just how thoroughly the Jazz are fucked, Dwyane Wade bought part ownership of the team. I'm really not sure how to feel about this considering the main reason Gail Miller sold her share of the team to the current (now-part owner) owner of the team was that he would guarantee that the Jazz would stay in Utah. With Wade as part of ownership, I'm not so sure how guaranteed that is. Of course, he could have just 1% ownership for all we know. It wasn't stated how big his purchase was.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2021/4/16/22387752/dwyane-wade-has-purchased-ownership-stake-in-the-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2021/4/16/22387752/dwyane-wade-has-purchased-ownership-stake-in-the-utah-jazz)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 16, 2021, 08:40:04 PM
It sounds like Mitchell is getting a MRI tonight and I hope it isn't anything major broodwars.

This season really bites for injuries and covid protocols. 

LeBron and AD have been out for a bit of time, Jamal Murray is out for the rest of the season because of the schedule, Butler was out for a good porton of the season early on and all sort of covid protocols for the Celtics early on.

As for the upcoming series of games with the Jazz and Mavs for the Lakers is that all these Lakers are out with injuries or have recent injuries and could be out or they are playing through injuries.

LeBron, Anthony Davis, Jared Dudley are all out. AD might come back in one of the Jazz games not 100% sure.

Schroeder is dealing with an infection at the ball of his foot, Drummond reinjured his big toe which in his debut his big toe was entirely peeled off by Brook Lopez stepping on it and then happened again versus the Nets to reinjure it. Marc Gasol dislocated and fractured his non shooting pinkie diving for the ball versus the Celtics. Markieff Morris who has been a solid and steady contributor in the starting lineup has been out the past two games with  a left ankle sprain.  Not to mention my boy Kuz is playing on a left calf strain and Wes Mathews has right achles tendon tightness.  KCP dealing with back spasms as well.


Our remaining rotation is THT, Ben McLemore, Alex Caruso, Alfonzo McKennie, Montrezl Harrell, Devonte Cacok, Kostas Antetokkounpo are the only players not dealing with injuries. We can't even field a 8 man playable roster required by the NBA with our healthy players.
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Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2021, 08:49:45 PM
I'm pretty sure this is a makeup game from earlier in the year, just like the Washington game we just played. It's not usual, so just chock that up to the arbitrary needs of this bizarre season.
Okay, that makes sense. The game was probably scheduled early because the Jazz play the Lakers pretty early tomorrow in Los Angeles. If they played a late game today then an early game tomorrow, their legs would be dead. Hey, maybe the Lakers will put up a decent fight tomorrow.

They won't. Almost everyone on the Lakers is banged up. The Jazz should win both games in Los Angeles even without Mitchell.

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Well, while we're waiting to find out just how thoroughly the Jazz are fucked, Dwyane Wade bought part ownership of the team. I'm really not sure how to feel about this considering the main reason Gail Miller sold her share of the team to the current (now-part owner) owner of the team was that he would guarantee that the Jazz would stay in Utah. With Wade as part of ownership, I'm not so sure how guaranteed that is. Of course, he could have just 1% ownership for all we know. It wasn't stated how big his purchase was.
My understanding of Jazz owner, Ryan Smith, is that he eats, breathes, and sleeps Utah. Dude went to college at Brigham Young University and his business is based in Utah. He was a huge Jazz fan before he owned the team, and he practically begged Gail Miller to sell the team to him if she ever wanted to sell. That said, I doubt the Jazz are going anywhere.

Dwyane Wade gives Smith a respected basketball ally to help when pitching to free agents.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 16, 2021, 09:00:01 PM
Ryan Smith is also in advanced talks to purchase Real Salt Lake, the MLS team in Salt Lake City. He seems all in on that market.
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Post by: broodwars on April 17, 2021, 04:56:40 PM
It seems we were very, very lucky this time with Donovan. He's only going to be out a few games, as the MRI found no structural damage. It's just a simple right ankle sprain.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383415701394710529 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1383415701394710529)

On a side note, it looks like the Jazz chose well in picking up Ersan İlyasova in free agency. He's doing an admirable job subbing in for Gobert today against the Lakers.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 17, 2021, 09:32:14 PM
Wow great game today for both teams.

I knew when we got Drummond and Kuz avalable for the game that we had a chance to win and we did in OT.
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Post by: Adrock on April 18, 2021, 05:25:49 PM
 NBA fines San Antonio Spurs $25,000 for violating resting rules (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31283853/nba-fines-san-antonio-spurs-25000-violating-resting-rules)

This is silly on a few counts.
Letter of the law, fine. However, the league is also not consistent when applying this rule. I always disagreed with the resting rules. Lose a player for a game/a few games, or lose him for half a season/an entire season/even his career. Take your pick.

No team rests players because they want to lose games. They rest players because they want to win more games later.

In other news, Kevin Durant left the game against the Heat today in the first quarter with a thigh contusion. (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31284758/brooklyn-nets-star-kevin-durant-suffers-thigh-injury-1st-quarter-vs-miami-heat)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 18, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
and we had a Curry ankle scare yesterday, and then lost Juan Toscano to a concussion.

And if I remember right, it's only a fine because they did the resting on the road, right?
If they rested a star player w/o injury at home, there would've have been an issue.
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Post by: broodwars on April 18, 2021, 06:18:52 PM
NBA fines San Antonio Spurs $25,000 for violating resting rules (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31283853/nba-fines-san-antonio-spurs-25000-violating-resting-rules)

This is silly on a few counts.
  • In a season where everyone and their mother is getting injured, maybe there should be some leeway when it comes to resting players.
  • DeRozan is on a contract year. If he gets a catastrophic injury, no way he gets the amount of money he’s looking to get paid, and this probably his last chance at a decent contract.
  • The Spurs still beat the Suns, the team with the second best record, by 26 points.
Letter of the law, fine. However, the league is also not consistent when applying this rule. I always disagreed with the resting rules. Lose a player for a game/a few games, or lose him for half a season/an entire season/even his career. Take your pick.

No team rests players because they want to lose games. They rest players because they want to win more games later.

In other news, Kevin Durant left the game against the Heat today in the first quarter with a thigh contusion. (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31284758/brooklyn-nets-star-kevin-durant-suffers-thigh-injury-1st-quarter-vs-miami-heat)

So...if the NBA wants to start fining teams for faking injuries to rest their players, how about fining the Nets for the stunts they've been pulling with Irving and Harden?
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Post by: Adrock on April 18, 2021, 06:43:59 PM
And if I remember right, it's only a fine because they did the resting on the road, right?
Yes, I believe so. I guess the thinking is that home fans only see opposing teams once or twice a year.
So...if the NBA wants to start fining teams for faking injuries to rest their players, how about fining the Nets for the stunts they've been pulling with Irving and Harden?
Is it faking injuries if teams are admitting it's rest/load management? Also, it's weird that you called out the Nets considering the Jazz literally load managed yesterday which absolutely cost them the game. And it was a road game so they absolutely should be fined per the rules.

It seems the league is stricter when resting involves multiple players on the road. I still don't agree with it because I'd rather see these guys play in consequential games, notably in the playoffs. I don't know what the difference is between load management and DNP-CP as far as availability. Seems like a really easy way to skirt around that rule. It might affect player stats, but that's the only thing I can think of.
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Post by: broodwars on April 18, 2021, 09:53:41 PM
Is it faking injuries if teams are admitting it's rest/load management? Also, it's weird that you called out the Nets considering the Jazz literally load managed yesterday which absolutely cost them the game. And it was a road game so they absolutely should be fined per the rules.

1. To answer your question, no. It isn't faking injuries if the teams admit it's resting/load management.

2. It's weird that you think calling me out on the Jazz using it is a gotcha. I don't remember ever saying I approved of players not showing up to do their jobs, and you and I have bickered about the use of load management for years. I've been very consistent about not liking it.

3. However, since you seem to want me to defend the Jazz using it lately, I will:

- Favors isn't faking an injury. He really does have a bad back as a result of an injury he suffered last year with the Pelicans that had him out most of the season. His back has never been the same since.

- Conley also isn't faking an injury. He injured his hamstring earlier this season just like he did last season. Management, as a result, is very wary about re-aggravating that hamstring again since he's already proven twice vulnerable to it.

- I'm not sure if Gobert is just a rest case or not, since it's unclear when he got his "right knee contusion" they cited for the Lakers game. From everything I've been able to gather, it sounds legit since Gobert has actually been remarkably consistent in playing this year.

4. Even with the Jazz using "injury recovery"/ "load management" this season, they've only used it for the occasional player a handful of times this season, and there's been a recent injury to back that up. That's nothing compared to the other teams in the league, in particular the Nets. I don't think the Clippers have even used it as much as the Nets have with Irving and Harden since acquiring them. I don't for a moment believe that Harden's actually injured, especially with the way he closed out his tenure in Houston.

5. Yes, fine everyone if that's the rule. If we're going to have a rule against load management, it should be applied equally to everyone. Otherwise, that just lends credence to conspiracy theories that the League plays favorites, which it absolutely does and always has.
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Post by: Adrock on April 18, 2021, 11:12:12 PM
1. To answer your question, no. It isn't faking injuries if the teams admit it's resting/load management.
Then maybe stop calling it faking injuries.
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2. It's weird that you think calling me out on the Jazz using it is a gotcha. I don't remember ever saying I approved of players not showing up to do their jobs, and you and I have bickered about the use of load management for years. I've been very consistent about not liking it.
Not meant as a gotcha. Just checking if you're being consistent particularly because the Jazz just load managed yesterday. You have a habit of being selective over what you're mad about.

The bolded part is also a straw man. Players can't load manage if the team doesn't let them, and if players don't show up to work, they can be fined by the team. This is literally in the collective bargaining agreement. You really need to stop misrepresenting load management.
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3. However, since you seem to want me to defend the Jazz using it lately, I will:


- Favors isn't faking an injury. He really does have a bad back as a result of an injury he suffered last year with the Pelicans that had him out most of the season. His back has never been the same since.

- Conley also isn't faking an injury. He injured his hamstring earlier this season just like he did last season. Management, as a result, is very wary about re-aggravating that hamstring again since he's already proven twice vulnerable to it.

- I'm not sure if Gobert is just a rest case or not, since it's unclear when he got his "right knee contusion" they cited for the Lakers game. From everything I've been able to gather, it sounds legit since Gobert has actually been remarkably consistent in playing this year.
"Faking injuries" are your words, not mine.

And I support Favors, Conley, and Gobert sitting out. They probably could have played on Saturday. I agree with the team keeping them out on the second night of a back-to-back, less than 24 hours after the previous game on the road particularly after Mitchell just got injured. Sports science has advanced a ton. Teams are trying to prevent further injury, and they should. The Jazz almost beat the Lakers with a skeleton crew. Some random regular season game is not the goal. If y'all lose Favors, Conley, and Gobert, it's curtains for championship contending.
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4. Even with the Jazz using "injury recovery"/ "load management" this season, they've only used it for the occasional player a handful of times this season, and there's been a recent injury to back that up. That's nothing compared to the other teams in the league, in particular the Nets. I don't think the Clippers have even used it as much as the Nets have with Irving and Harden since acquiring them. I don't for a moment believe that Harden's actually injured, especially with the way he closed out his tenure in Houston.
Does it really matter if a team uses it a little or a lot? Your problem seems to be that teams are even using it at all.

As for Harden, I'm not going to claim he’s faking an injury, but it also doesn't matter. As previously mentioned, the point of load management is to prevent injury or further injury.
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5. Yes, fine everyone if that's the rule. If we're going to have a rule against load management, it should be applied equally to everyone. Otherwise, that just lends credence to conspiracy theories that the League plays favorites, which it absolutely does and always has.
I agree, and that was what I was getting at. I don't like the rule, but if it's going to be one, let it be one.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 19, 2021, 11:42:30 PM
That Boy Curry!!! Whoooo.

He got a helluva run going right now.
11 games in a row over 30 pts
in the last 10 games has made an NBA Record 72 3pts
He's working around double teams, and splitting 3-4 defenders to get to the rim.
I think in the las 4 or 5 games has 3 games over 10 3ptrs made.
In the last week, has made more 3 pointers than at least 4 whole NBA teams

If Curry (and Dray) can drag this team to a playoff position, MVP better be in play.
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Post by: Adrock on April 19, 2021, 11:57:32 PM
If Curry (and Dray) can drag this team to a playoff position, MVP better be in play.
Settle down.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2021, 12:33:13 AM
If Curry (and Dray) can drag this team to a playoff position, MVP better be in play.
Settle down.

I just mean he becomes a part of that Top 5 MVP Candidate conversation.
Not saying he is a clear favorite to win it, just in the running for a mentions in the conversation.

BTW:
(https://i.imgur.com/xcZj8tm.png)

Recognition in the moments of greatness. That's all we looking for.

If Curry can carry the Warriors out of the Play-in and it to the Playoffs.... that is certainly worthy of something. This team is trash w/o him (and Dray) on the court.

Luckily the remainder of our schedule is pretty easy if we continue to play good.
if all goes really well.... who knows... 11-3 / 10-4 !?

(https://i.imgur.com/yTWn2ny.png)

We're technically only 3 games back on Portland, but the 3 teams ahead of us have played 2 less games than us.... so who knows how that plays out.

(https://i.imgur.com/gnkmvwi.png)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 24, 2021, 01:47:58 AM
I mean Steph is pretty amazing on what he is doing this season. Just putting the team on his back and just winning.  Fighting into the play in tourney and winning versus what many consider the MVP in Jokic tonight.

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Post by: broodwars on April 24, 2021, 09:54:08 AM
I think 11-3 or 10-4 is not an unrealistic outcome of those remaining Warrior games, considering the schedule you have there. I think the Warriors lose those games against the Jazz; Suns; and possibly one of the Nuggets and Pelicans games. It's difficult to beat any team in the NBA practically 3 times in a row.

On the flipside, it's also rather ridiculous to expect Curry to bail out the rest of the team 10-11 more times the rest of the season, so who knows.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2021, 10:19:42 AM
I'm hoping the Warriors can do more of what they did last night, minus all the damn turnovers.
Jordan Poole was out there trying to be Steph-like, and since he was actually making ****, I was liking it. His confidence was always there, but now that he is actually playing well (I think it's the new haircut), he looks so much better than the last 2 seasons.

JTA is a nice player, and Mulder "is that Curry :squints:, nope that ain't Curry" is doing all right.
Oubre finding his groove in this team, and I really like Oubre, I'm hoping he sticks around, we just need to train him be more aware of a possible Curry pop-out and not always running in for his.
Getting Curry hot creates more open opportunities for the whole team, and then vice versa.

Dray just need to stay on a steady diet of LAYUP DRILLS in practice, and otherwise, just keep doing what he doing. We don't really need him to score, but when Dray has the opportunity, he shouldn't ne missing layups.... it's so damn embarrassing. Especially when the game comes down to the 2-3 missed Draymond layups making a difference.
The main difference, and one Kerr needs to keep them on is STICKING AROUND FOR THE DAMN REBOUND. I feel that's the difference in us winning so many of the games we eventually lose, is that we all retreat to get back the moment the shot goes up.
If 2 Warriors actively either stuck around, as the ball may actually go right to them, or box someone out in the paint, we get 2nd and possibly 3rd chance attempts. It makes all the difference down the stretch. We need more games where we try to get rebounds, especially offensive ones.

I feel if we can win the majority of these last games, we have a chance at the 6 seed and missing the Play-in Tourney. Our last 3 wins were all winnable games, and some of them we were even leading leading up to the final minutes. rebounds and 2nd chance attempts would've have likely won those games.

I mean Steph is pretty amazing on what he is doing this season. Just putting the team on his back and just winning.  Fighting into the play in tourney and winning versus what many consider the MVP in Jokic tonight.

I haven't watched all the teams play regularly, but I'm not saying Steph should be the front runner and favorite to win the MVP, just that he should be in the conversation. Hopefully he wins the scoring title though.
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Post by: Adrock on April 27, 2021, 10:39:04 PM
Goddammit, I really need a Warriors win tonight (playoff implications for Lakers and Warriors). I’m not watching the game, but I checked the box score, and they scored 29 points in the first half and are down by 43 points. Didn’t Klay Thompson once score 37 points in a quarter?

I’m hoping for theyhadusinthefirsthalfnotgonnalie.gif.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on April 30, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
LeBron James if he is good to go during warmups he is expected to go tonight versus the Kings. Last 10 games of the season for the Lakers.  Kings, Raptors, Nuggets, Clippers, TrailBlazers, Suns, Knicks, Rockets, Pacers and finally the Pelicans. That Nuggets to Suns stretch will be tough but more winnable with LeBron back.
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Post by: Adrock on May 01, 2021, 01:01:26 AM
LOL. These f-ing clown shoes lost another season series to a bottom feeding lottery team. They really want to be in the play in tournament. **** around and find out, guys.
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Post by: broodwars on May 01, 2021, 09:22:14 AM
LOL. These f-ing clown shoes lost another season series to a bottom feeding lottery team. They really want to be in the play in tournament. **** around and find out, guys.

Hey, if they're lucky, they'll run into the Jazz in the 1st round and sweep them. Clown shoes for all.  :rolleyes:
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 01, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
Haha. I'm assuming y'all using about the Lakers.
I was watching the Warriors game right now, and since we seen to be trying to not make the play in at the moment, I'll just celebrate the previous month Curry had as an individual...

(https://i.imgur.com/nvI5NgQ.jpg)

Great month for the man as an individual. MVP conversation of the table, but other accolades may be coming.
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Post by: Adrock on May 03, 2021, 04:21:05 PM
I don’t think the Lakers are making the playoffs this year. LeBron reaggravated his ankle injury and is out tonight against the Nuggets tonight because of course that would happen. Dennis Schröder is out for 10 to 14 days on health and safety protocols which is most covers most of the remaining games. Yeah, I don’t know how much basketball I’ll watch for the rest of this year. GG, guys. See you all next season.

THANKS AGAIN, SOLOMON HILL.
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Post by: Adrock on May 04, 2021, 12:54:36 AM
So I didn’t watch the Lakers game, but these inexplicable weirdos lose to the m-f-ing Kings then beat the best team since the All-Star break.
(https://i.ibb.co/9WGWMq6/36-BAC2-A3-1068-4-A26-AEC3-479-BDC514-D8-F.png)

The Lakers also gave up a 13 point lead in the fourth quarter so not an absolutely win, but I’ll take it.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 04, 2021, 06:13:17 PM
I don’t think the Lakers are making the playoffs this year. LeBron reaggravated his ankle injury and is out tonight against the Nuggets tonight because of course that would happen. Dennis Schröder is out for 10 to 14 days on health and safety protocols which is most covers most of the remaining games. Yeah, I don’t know how much basketball I’ll watch for the rest of this year. GG, guys. See you all next season.

THANKS AGAIN, SOLOMON HILL.

It is funny that Solomon Hill has done to mess up the Lakers season and he isn't really known for anything aside from his bad contract and now nearly ending the Laker season in one fell swoop.



So I didn’t watch the Lakers game, but these inexplicable weirdos lose to the m-f-ing Kings then beat the best team since the All-Star break.
(https://i.ibb.co/9WGWMq6/36-BAC2-A3-1068-4-A26-AEC3-479-BDC514-D8-F.png)

The Lakers also gave up a 13 point lead in the fourth quarter so not an absolutely win, but I’ll take it.

Yeah it was a grindy defensive game and the Lakers were sending Drummond, and Marc Gasol at Jokic for different looks.  That 13 point lead in the 4th was mainly lost because Drummond was playing with 5 fouls for the time he was in there.   Marc played the last few minutes and played well versus Jokic and took him out of the paint.

Also I have to say that Nick Young meme gets so many mileage.
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Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2021, 11:29:37 PM
Well, that was an absolutely wild game tonight with the Nuggets taking on the Jazz in Utah. I don't think any reasonable Jazz fan saw us winning tonight without Conley & Mitchell, but Bogdanovic has just been a force of nature since the T-Wolves losses. He put in 46 points tonight as the Jazz defeated the Nuggets 127-120. Clarkson also, for once, didn't vanish during a big game and put in 21 points, himself.

What's particularly hilarious is that the game was won on the defensive end in the same way the Jazz lost that last game against the T-Wolves. The Nuggets tried to play the Foul Game in the last 30 seconds, and the Jazz stole the ball on both Nuggets possessions.

Assuming that the Knicks-Suns game continues as it has so far (knock on wood), this very likely sewed up the #1 seed for the Jazz. Hard to believe this is the same team that got swept by the T-Wolves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyB7UyitCk4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqPWIBzL4k4)
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Post by: broodwars on May 07, 2021, 11:59:44 PM
*looks at the current Suns-Knicks score*

Ah well...never count on an Eastern Conference scrub to do a real team's job.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2021, 04:44:17 AM
How bout Steph Curry and dem Warriors tonight!?

Whoooo. I expected a win, but had the Thunder been able to keep up, I 100% guarantee you that the NBA 3pt record would've been broken tonight. For both Individual and Team.

B. Beal scored 50pts tonights, so coming into tonights game, Curry knew he needed 22 points to keep the #1 spot in the race for the Scoring Title.... Curry finished with 24pts in the 1st Qtr
had 49pt, 11 threes in 3 Qtrs, and had 2 3's waived off in that time period. Mans was on FIRE.

Warriors also set a new team record for most 3's in a game w/ 27.
As a Warriors fan it was a fun watch, but it was basically a blow out from beginning to end.
Steph was out there embarrassing these cats, as if Beal threatening the scoring title was taken personally. A good show. Lots of highlights from the game. Dubs played a great game amongst themselves.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 09, 2021, 02:57:12 PM
Here is the injury report for the Lakers today versus the Suns.



Jared Dudley (right MCL tear), LeBron James (right ankle sprain) and Dennis Schröder (health and safety protocols) are out.
Kyle Kuzma (lower back tightness) is doubtful.
Alex Caruso and Talen Horton-Tucker (right calf strain) are questionable.
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (right ankle sprain), Anthony Davis (right calf strain) and Marc Gasol (volar plate fracture, left pinkie finger) are probable.


We have no real playmaking PG with LeBron and Schroeder out and THT was growing into that and Caruso last game didn't do well versus the TrailBlazers.

Our only playmaker is Marc Gasol and he does it well it is just that is a really odd position to have the playmaking from

F this season.   

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2021, 04:43:21 PM
Just imagine Lebron not even making the Playoffs!!!!

The Play-ins are AMAZING!!! LMAO

much needed end of regular season drama.

Regardless of if we (Warriors) make the play-offs this year, if we can do well enough to eliminate the Lakers, I feel it was more than just an interesting season. Curry's Performance aside, our team growth has been pretty good this year. Once we get Klay back on the court, we are truly in contention again, regardless of whoever else joins/leaves the end of our bench.


Edit: NBA 3 Point Record Watch
#1: Ray Allen = 2973
#2: Steph Curry = 2819
Difference = 154

There's 4 games left for the Dubs this season, so barring a Playoff appearance, Steph would likely need about 140 3's next season to over take the record.

Who want to take the bet that (barring injury *🙏🏾*) he breaks that record before/after the All-Star Break?
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2021, 06:48:42 PM
Just imagine Lebron not even making the Playoffs!!!!
That literally happened two years ago. 🤷‍♀️

I guess I don’t really understand the sentiment. Why would anyone be excited about that? I hate when injuries derail a player’s or team’s season.

I see no winners here. If the Lakers somehow win this year despite the injuries, I’m not even going to enjoy the collective salt because toxic Lakers fans would be the cuntiest cunts who have ever cunted. I really don’t feel like dealing with that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 09, 2021, 06:55:45 PM
I meant again.
It would only be his second time since 2005, and both times as a Laker.
I only bring it up because he's being salty about the Play-in tourney because he might be caught up in it now. And him not making the playoffs this time wouldn't be because his team didn't have the record to do it and getting to grind out 7 game series, but because he got eliminated, possibly by a team that didn't have the record to be there, but now took his spot, just before the playoffs start.

I love the additional end of regular season drama, stress, and opportunity. Add a new level of enjoyment to the game.
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Post by: Adrock on May 09, 2021, 09:09:29 PM
I’m conflicted on the play-in tournament. I like the experimentation and welcome more of it. However, I dislike the implications of this particular method. Any team can lose a game or two.

Maybe that’s the point. It forces teams to care more about random mid-season games because they may be the difference between being in the play-in tournament or not.

Looking at the standings, I dislike the play-in tournament more from the Warriors’ standing than the Lakers’. I don’t want the Warriors’ post season to hinge on one game. They clawed and scratched to be in the position they’re in, and as of today in any other season, they would be. Full stop. One potential bad or worse, good-but-not-Super-Saiyan-good Curry game would distract from the incredible run he had. I don’t want to f-ing hear all the bad analyst takes if that happens. I don’t know how you feel about it. To me, that’s worse. I hope the Warriors get in, and I’d hate it more if they didn’t than any other team if that makes sense.

As for the Lakers, they’re not winning anything if James and Davis aren’t healthy. Even if they make the playoffs, potentially running into the Jazz is not ideal (and I really wanted that matchup for the conference finals assuming everyone was mostly healthy by then). The Lakers really could have used that ramp up then James reaggravated his ankle injury. That said, ignoring toxic fans, I don’t know what I’d like more: chasing a three-peat or a revenge season.
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Post by: broodwars on May 09, 2021, 10:53:41 PM
I'm mixed on the whole play-in tournament system, myself. It feels like it's only there to appease the Western Conference teams, which are the only ones good enough every year where Seeds 9 & 10 could potentially belong in the playoffs and still be worthy opponents for the 1 & 2 seeds. Having a Play-in Tourney in the Eastern Conference just creates an even more one-sided Round 1 for the 1st & 2nd Seeds, since their opponents will have already expended energy on an extra 1-2 games.

I dunno...having the 7th and 8th Seeds up for grabs feels both excessive and yet not excessive enough, but I get what the League is trying to do in deterring tanking with this additional tourney.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 10, 2021, 12:42:34 AM
Based on "Radio" conversations between analyst, it's been very rare that 7seed, or even less so an 8 seed (once in NBA history?) has gone on to win an NBA title that season.

The radio analyst trying to make a point against it, kinda soured his own point when he pointed out the "facts" above.
I feel like the play in may give that team that just didn't click early in the season, a fighting chance to be in the mix if they got their **** together in the second half, and maybe on a tear late in the season and possibly a problem for some settled teams that already became complacent or burnt out due to seasonal wear and tear.

I'm all for it because like last year when the Suns got kinda hot, it was just too late for it to really mean anything except for them to adjust others playoff positions by winning games.

As for the Warriors, we ain't winning **** this year, but it would be nice for these boys to get some Playoff experience, as I feel like next year we will be all in the mix once we get Klay back, so I enjoy the drama of the Play-In situation as some players who didn't they would get caught up in it, and therefore didn't really care, all of sudden got caught up in it and now really fucking care.

I could see them making some tweaks where the play in happens if 9 and/or 10 seed have a record of close to .450 or higher. But for now, I'm enjoying the drama this all brings.
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Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2021, 01:29:08 AM
The Lakers with another inexplicable win tonight. These guys can beat the Nuggets and Suns but can't beat the Mavericks, Raptors, Kings, Wizards, or Blazers. OKie-dokie artichokie. That fourth quarter was gross. If the Lakers can squeak into the 7th seed and face the Suns, that might be the best matchup for them as long as they can get somewhat healthy. The Clippers always get out of bed for the Lakers so I don't want to see them in the first round.
I'm mixed on the whole play-in tournament system, myself. It feels like it's only there to appease the Western Conference teams, which are the only ones good enough every year where Seeds 9 & 10 could potentially belong in the playoffs and still be worthy opponents for the 1 & 2 seeds.
That's a good point. For discussion's sake, what would you suggest?

I came up with a couple then talked myself out of each one. For example, only have play in games for the final spot under certain circumstances.
As for the Warriors, we ain't winning **** this year, but it would be nice for these boys to get some Playoff experience
Obviously, I want the Lakers in and NOT playing the Jazz in the first round so of the remaining teams, I think Warriors vs. Jazz would yield the best series.
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I could see them making some tweaks where the play in happens if 9 and/or 10 seed have a record of close to .450 or higher. But for now, I'm enjoying the drama this all brings.
Yeah, I like the drama. The idea needs to be tweaked. I don't know why the 7th seed is involved.
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Post by: broodwars on May 10, 2021, 06:21:53 PM
I'm mixed on the whole play-in tournament system, myself. It feels like it's only there to appease the Western Conference teams, which are the only ones good enough every year where Seeds 9 & 10 could potentially belong in the playoffs and still be worthy opponents for the 1 & 2 seeds.
That's a good point. For discussion's sake, what would you suggest?

I came up with a couple then talked myself out of each one. For example, only have play in games for the final spot under certain circumstances.
  • If 9 is within one game of 8 and/or won the season series, have a play in series. I think 8 should still get something. Maybe 8 has to win one game and 9 has to win two in a row so not really a tournament.
  • If 8 to 10 are within one game (and/or each lower seed won the season series against the seed above it), 8 plays the winner of 9 and 10.

What you suggested sounds decent enough. I just feel like the Play-in Tournament is a bandaid on the overall problem that only 4-6 teams in the East max deserve to be in the playoffs, whereas 8-10 in the West routinely have the records to deserve inclusion. We've already addressed that the Eastern Conference will never agree to a Top 16 team Playoff format, so I suppose this is the best compromise we can get.

One thing I'd like to address with the Playoffs is the overall bracketing. I've never been a fan of the 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 first round bracketing. It's designed to allow the Top Seed to basically coast its way through the playoffs. They get to beat up on the worst team in the playoffs 1st, and then AT WORST they face the #4 seed in the 2nd round. They don't potentially run into a team that's on their level until the Conference Finals, at which point their opponent has already been worn down by play against the 2nd & 3rd seeds. This is particularly true for the Eastern Conference, where the playoffs are routinely a joke every year as 1-2 teams just steamroll everyone else.

What I would prefer is this sort of bracketing in the 1st round: 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8. Then the winner of 1-5 faces the winner of 3-7, and the winner of 2-6 faces the winner of 4-8, and so on. This would allow for much more exciting matches in the 1st round, as you'd have teams facing off that are much more comparable to each other, rather than just have the top seeds steamrolling the weaklings every year. Granted, it does remove the parity of the existing 2nd round, where the 2nd & 3rd seeds beat each other up for the amusement of the 1 Seed they'll face in the Conference Finals.

I'd also go back to the 1st round being 5 games rather than 7. Especially with how injury-prone players are these days, 7 games in the easiest round is excessive. It also means teams have more energy for the 2nd and 3rd rounds, particularly in the West.  That will never happen, of course, because the League likes money.
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Post by: Adrock on May 10, 2021, 10:44:41 PM
What you suggested sounds decent enough. I just feel like the Play-in Tournament is a bandaid on the overall problem that only 4-6 teams in the East max deserve to be in the playoffs, whereas 8-10 in the West routinely have the records to deserve inclusion. We've already addressed that the Eastern Conference will never agree to a Top 16 team Playoff format, so I suppose this is the best compromise we can get.
Since the league can’t just say, “LOL, play in games for the Western Conference only”, it was the best I could come up with to hide it.

If the league really wants to address the issues of lack of parity, tanking etc. etc., it’s going to have to get more creative and honestly, more controversial. Owning a professional sports team is a privilege, and if you’re going to run it poorly, maybe you shouldn’t own one.

Proposal #1: if you’re **** for X amount of years, you have to sell the team. Let someone else try. You’re hurting the league because you’re too incompetent and/or cheap to put together a competitive team. Donald Sterling is an extreme example (and he wasn’t even forced to sell because he sucked at running the team). There’s no excuse for the Clippers to have been terrible for like 90% of the time he owned the team. Still, I highly doubt team owners would vote to put themselves in the hot seat.

Proposal #2: incentivize winning beyond the additional revenue earned by playing more games in the playoffs and particularly for teams that just missed the playoffs. The 9 to 12 seeds with draft picks in the mid-teens end up on a treadmill (unless they luck into an impact player who slipped through the cracks) because they weren’t quite good enough to make the playoffs but weren’t bad enough to get a high draft pick. They almost always choose to eventually tank because there aren’t better alternatives.

What incentives? Maybe a scaling luxury tax break? That may open up a whole new can of worms. The point is to give teams a reason not to tank as well as a reasonable path to improve so they can maybe get over the hump.

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One thing I'd like to address with the Playoffs is the overall bracketing. I've never been a fan of the 1-8, 2-7, 3-6, 4-5 first round bracketing. It's designed to allow the Top Seed to basically coast its way through the playoffs. They get to beat up on the worst team in the playoffs 1st, and then AT WORST they face the #4 seed in the 2nd round.
This one is a bit harder to crack because as you stated, it’s by design. Top teams are “rewarded” with an easier path because they were consistently good all year. I haven’t thought about this long enough to offer a real suggestion. Re-bracketing kind of invalidates the regular season.

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I'd also go back to the 1st round being 5 games rather than 7. Especially with how injury-prone players are these days, 7 games in the easiest round is excessive. It also means teams have more energy for the 2nd and 3rd rounds, particularly in the West.  That will never happen, of course, because the League likes money.
I go back and forth on this one. Many of these series are hella boring though we get the occasional gem. Jazz vs. Nuggets was stupid good last year. It came down to the last shot in a Game 7. Mitchell and Murray were just throwing down 50 point games. Is that one series worth the slew of sweeps/gentleman sweeps? Personally, I might give you a different answer depending on which day you ask me.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2021, 01:14:06 AM
Now I wish I posted the long post I typed out last night about play in options and how the points or how baf the East actually is.... But I got distracted and came back to finish it after the thought had passed, and couldn't articulate the point I was trying to make it so I just deleted it. :/
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Post by: Adrock on May 11, 2021, 01:18:21 AM
I didn’t watch the game, but last time I looked at the box score for Warriors vs. Jazz, the former were up by 18 points. I just saw a clip of Curry’s go-ahead three pointer. What in the world even happened? The Jazz caught up and took the lead?! Yeah, I’m gonna need Warriors vs. Jazz in the first round. Please and thank you.
Now I wish I posted the long post I typed out last night about play in options and how the points or how baf the East actually is.... But I got distracted and came back to finish it after the thought had passed, and couldn't articulate the point I was trying to make it so I just deleted it. :/
Try again?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 11, 2021, 04:28:43 AM
We were up by a good amount. With 5 minutes left, Jazz started clamping down, Warriors got a little loose, lead was erased quickly.

Luckily Warriors got their shot together in the last second and snatched victory back from the jaws of defeat, but it was a prime example of why I just don't trust this squad to close.
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Post by: broodwars on May 11, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
Not terribly concerned about last night's loss. If we'd had Mitchell and Conley, we'd have won. Trent Forrest was playing major minutes last night. I wasn't expecting us to win. What I am concerned about is that we wasted 30 minutes of Gobert and Royce (who is playing injured) in a losing effort. The Jazz should have rested them for the next game against the Blazers.
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Post by: Adrock on May 12, 2021, 02:30:38 PM
Steph Curry quadruple teamed. The Suns lost this game.
(https://i.ibb.co/B35Xj4H/B687-C805-58-EC-4-AD3-976-F-0-EDF2-F0-FBE81.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2021, 05:01:46 PM
Well we pulled off the improbable and beat the Suns and the Jazz on a back to back night.

End of the game was so HYPE when we just kept chipping away and didn't give up, and somehow took the lead and won by 6 against the Suns last night.

Every game matters as we need to keep that 8 seed so we potentially have a 1 game Play-In against the 7 (Lakers!!?). I don't have high playoff hopes or anything, but just getting though the Play-In would be a season achievement, as I don't think anyone was really expecting anything better than a first round exit assuming we could even make the playoffs.

Our next game is Pels which shouldn't be too hard w/ Zion, and then a face off against Mem for the 8th seed, winner take the slot (Mem plays the Kings 2 games in a row b2b, so hopefully Sac can steal one from them). So it's absolutely critical that we win these next 3 games and secure the 7 seed!!!!

Steph Curry quadruple teamed. The Suns lost this game.
(https://i.ibb.co/B35Xj4H/B687-C805-58-EC-4-AD3-976-F-0-EDF2-F0-FBE81.jpg)

Didn't he make the 3 right then too?

and he still can't get most of the fouls on him called. Look at the level of attention they put on this man.
Who else in the history of basket ball routinely gets doubled, tripled, and now quadruple teamed!!? LMAO

edit: and I did it again, I typed out the top part of this message at 7am this morning, but never submitted it.
I do that so often most times, by the time I come back, I kinda lost the point I was trying to make, didn't feel like finishing the thought, or the conversation had already moved on and the moment passed.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2021, 10:28:03 AM
So who doesn't want the Lakers in the 7th seed and in the Play-In Scenario?

Blazers losing last night opened up a few scenarios for the Lakers to get out, but it ain't very likely, but sill possible:

(https://i.redd.it/75frogslp0z61.png)

Who sees one of those slim possibilities happening?

Remaining games:
Portland v Denver

Dallas v Toronto
Dallas @ Minnesota

Lakers @ Indiana
Lakers @ New Orleans


Denver is pretty locked into the 4th seed, since the Clippers have Houston and OKC coming up.
So there's a chance they don't take the game v Portland seriously, since theirs nothing to really gain in an all out win. They may even favor the Lakers getting a little more wear and tear playing in the Play-In and let Portland have the win. On the other hand, they are helping decide who their 1st round opponent will be (Mavs or Blazers, as both of them are playing for the 5th/6th seeds)

Dallas facing off against 2 teams who's seasons are over. Maybe they have an axe to grind, but nothing the Mav's can't handle. I expect them to want to keep the 5th seed v the Nuggets instead of the 6th v the Clippers.
I'm gonna assume they win both of these games.

Lakers gotta go against Indiana, who is already locked in to the Play-In, but fighting for a possible 8th seed slot instead of a 9th... that's a lot to play for as it's a 1 win situation instead of a 2 game win situation being in 9th. New Orleans season is already over, but I feel like the Pels still got a little juice. They Play the Warriors tonight, so if that goes how I planned, maybe they fight like hell against the Lakers to prove a point.
In all possible scenario's, the Lakers NEED to win both games, but they also need Portland and/or Dallas to lose a game as well.

So who sees this playing out with the Lakers NOT being in the Play-in?
The Blazers don't plan till Sunday, but I really doubt the Mav's lose both their games to two of the worst teams in the NBA.
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Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2021, 12:05:01 PM
I expect the Lakers to end up in the 7th seed. I also think it’s entirely possible the Lakers drop both play in games due to lacking chemistry and some players (namely James) likely not in game shape. They’re about to get everyone back, hopefully for good this time, so it can go either way. The Lakers might have too much talent to miss the playoffs. Maybe they get an ugly but gritty win.

While the Nuggets are locked into the 4th seed, they may still have something to gain against the Blazers on Sunday depending on who they’d rather play in the first round. The Mavericks are ahead of the Blazers in the standings, but the Blazers hold the tie breaker. I don’t know enough about either team to comment on who would be a better/worse matchup against the Nuggets. It should be noted the Nuggets lost the season series against the Mavericks and won the season series against the Blazers regardless of Sunday’s game. They were all pretty close games.

From the Blazers’ perspective, I’d rather not futz with the play in tournament. Even though they got swept by the Clippers this season, I wouldn’t want to risk a Super Saiyan Curry game. Then, anything could happen in an elimination scenario.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2021, 08:11:09 PM
Dame I don't think had ever beat Steph in an elimination game.
At least not since 2015.

He wants no part of Warriors back to the wall situation.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2021, 06:13:10 PM
8th Seed Baby

Steph with 46pts and the scoring title
Now we wait to see if Lakers stay in the 7th seed or not.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2021, 06:39:35 PM
8th Seed Baby

Steph with 46pts and the scoring title
Now we wait to see if Lakers stay in the 7th seed or not.
Congrats you are either facing a healthy Lakers team or a revamped Trail Blazers team who has a bit more defense.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 16, 2021, 07:11:38 PM
We not expecting much.

But we know win or lose, we can take the Grizz and get the 8th seed for the playoffs.
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Post by: Adrock on May 16, 2021, 11:26:13 PM
Lakers vs. Warriors for the 7th seed.

Clippers and Nuggets tanked to avoid a team Stone Cold Stunned by injuries all year. *slow clap*
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Post by: broodwars on May 17, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
Easy win for the Jazz tonight to finally claim the #1 Seed for the Playoffs, after going down by 12 early on against the Kings.

It'd be nice if we got the Grizzlies in the first round, but I don't think they're going to get past the Warriors or Lakers. As like is not, we're going to get stuck with the Warriors, hopefully with a fully recovered Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are still being incredibly secretive about what his current health status is. It's not a good sign that they didn't let him come back and play limited minutes towards the end of the season, especially since they DID do that with Conley.
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Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2021, 12:38:13 AM
I would think the entire Jazz medical staff told Mitchell to sit the hell down until the playoffs. The only thing you can really do for a sprained ankle is stay off it for a while. I’m saying this from experience. It took several months to not feel it most days, and even then, it’ll never be the same again. Granted, I don’t have the same access to doctors, trainers, and physical therapists as a professional athlete does. I’m also not in the same physical shape as Mitchell. Still, he probably won’t be 100% for the entire playoffs. The extra rest can only help even if getting some run in would help him get in game shape.

This is a weird year to be a top two seed in the West. Imagine playing hard all year to get the best records, and you potentially end up with the Lakers and Warriors to look forward to.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2021, 04:55:14 AM
I know all the most informed feel without a doubt that Jokic should be this years MVP
but my bias self still feels that after this season, Curry very much deserves to be in that conversation with an underdogs chance of taking that title too.

Steph secured that Scoring Title and now joins the ranks of some Elite for having 2+ scoring Titles and 2+ MVP and 2+ Championships (Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlain, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar), and joining Jordan for being the only other person to get that scoring title after age of 33.

I know we still got a Play-In match or 2 play, but I'm ready. I feel like we are peaking at the right time. "MVP Steph" can hopefully carry us into the post season, and I don't think Jazz or Suns are particularly excited about having to face a healthy Lakers, nor a "MVP Steph" led Warriors

anyway here's our Pre-post Season line up for easy reference:
(https://i.imgur.com/InPhtSC.png)
I assume everyone knows how the play-in tourney works?

Play-In Tourney Schedule:
Eastern Conference plays Tuesday
Hornets v Pacers @ 3:30pm pst
Wizards v Celtics @ 6pm pst


Western Conference plays Wednesday
Spurs v Grizzlies @ 4:30pm
Warriors v Lakers @ 7pm
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Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
Sure, put Steph Curry in the conversation in the same way LeBron James and James Harden are in the conversation every year. I get it. The Warriors are a borderline G-League team without Curry (and Thompson). Still, he shouldn’t win because his team is (likely) the 7th/8th seed. Westbrook got MVP when the Thunder were the 6th seed which was questionable. The voters love narratives, and 2017 was the year Russell Westbrook averaged a triple double.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 17, 2021, 01:45:30 PM
Westbrook's was questionable due to how he was getting his triple doubles, and he was only getting it because of the triple doubles.
I haven't watched a ton of Wizards games since they started clicking, but I was under the impression that the way he's getting his triple doubles now is actually inclusive to the team dynamic and not at all like what was happening back on the Thunder.

I could be wrong though.
But the narrative usually controls the votes, and Curry should be part of that narrative. It's controversial for a low seed to win, but there's no requirement for seeding to win.

I don't think there's ever been an MVP that has had such a low seed, or just didn't make the playoffs, but I'm not necessarily saying Steph should win it, but I know he's gonna get some votes, because he's part of that conversation, as he should be.
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Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
I’ve been conditioned to think seeding matters, but really, there’s no criteria or guidelines for how to vote for these awards which consequently is why I mostly don’t care about any of these awards.

That said, what would criteria/guidelines even look like? Listening to podcasts and watching analysts on The YouTube, voters generally do not cast their votes for MVP on the consensus “best player in the league” because they’d just give it to Michael Jordan, LeBron James etc. etc. every year. They consider seeding because of the need to quantify performance in a team sport. At the same time, maybe seeding shouldn’t matter because a player works with what they’re given. Additionally, voters generally don’t focus on counting stats because stats are exploitable unless tied to a narrative (which is contradictory), and more importantly, effectiveness can’t always be quantified by numbers. For example, altering a shot at the rim doesn’t count as a block.

If the league is going to call the award “Most Valuable Player”, “most valuable” really should be more clearly defined. What is a particular player’s inherent value to a team’s success from a basketball perspective? Is the team still a functional professional basketball team without that particular player? A team’s overall performance should be weighed against a team’s performance without that particular player which can still be quantified (i.e. missed games, team’s +/- when that player is on the bench).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2021, 11:27:13 AM
Let's not forget Steph's Gravity.... you really think some of the guys on this Warriors squad would be getting the looks, buckets, or even opportunities, had Steph not drawn 2-4 defenders with him everywhere he go. That don't show up on the stat sheets, but the "analytics" show it's effect on the game. Without Steph, this team right back in lottery again.

Another MVP candidate should probably be CP3. I didn't watch hardly any Sun's games, and I know they were kinda getting it together late last season, but now they #2 in the East after Lottery last year.... that's a big turn around. Honorable mentions to CP3, even though I don't like the guy.

I know Jokic is the season long favorite, but the end of season narrative has really shifted to Steph, so don't be surprised if it's closer than expected, or if Steph ends up taking the title of MVP too.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2021, 12:30:41 PM
If the league is going to call the award “Most Valuable Player”, “most valuable” really should be more clearly defined. What is a particular player’s inherent value to a team’s success from a basketball perspective? Is the team still a functional professional basketball team without that particular player? A team’s overall performance should be weighed against a team’s performance without that particular player which can still be quantified (i.e. missed games, team’s +/- when that player is on the bench).

This is how I feel about the award.  "Most Valuable" to me means "biggest contributor to a team's success".  So, the MVP of the league should be the player that contributes more to their team's success than any other player.  If removing one player, without making any other changes, turns the team from a championship contender to a lottery team, then that's the most valuable player.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2021, 12:31:09 PM
I know this has a very low probably, but they mentioned the ever so slight possibility of this happening.

Lakers v Warriors WCF.
now wouldn't that be fucking epic. Especially if the Lakers come from 8th seed all the way back to the WCF.
and somehow Curry manages the carry the entire Warriors squad all the way to the WCF.

It's not gonna happen, but the idea that it could would make for a great NBA story.
Other teams are too good though. W/o Klay, I don't see us repeatedly surviving a 7 game series against most of the West teams
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Post by: nickmitch on May 18, 2021, 12:49:59 PM
That would be pretty epic, not gonna lie.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2021, 12:01:54 PM
Tonight's the night. S.Dubs v LeLakers
booming voice: "the Quintessential match of Play-In History."
Adam Silver: All according to Keikaku

Lebron referring to Steph as this seasons MVP (I know he's setting the narrative for his tremendous victory in the finals should he win it... and hopeful buttering up of Steph to come to the Lakers or LeBron to come to the Warriors)

Several other players following the Steph Curry MVP narrative as well.

don't be surprised if Steph syphons off enough votes to make this closer than you think, or outright win it by thin margin. A lot of hype on that conversation... it may cool down by the time the vote actually happens, but it if were to happen today, I think Steph might actually win it or be close.

As for the Play-In itself....
The Eastern Conference games were TRASH.
The Hornets never showed up and got blown out in the 1st Q (Pacers where playing way above average), and the Wizards choked out in the 3rd (Westbrick left the game early due to frustration).

So now the Celts get the Nets, and the Wiz get to try again against the Pacers tomorrow.

Hopefully the Western Conference games are much more competitive tonight.
Not really sure anyone cares to watch the Spurs v Grizz game.... not really sure who I expect to win.
But Steph and the Warriors better show up tonight against the Lakers. That's all anyone really cares about as this game sets the narrative for the playoffs.
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Post by: Adrock on May 19, 2021, 11:11:12 PM
This is embarrassing. I don’t even care if the Lakers come back. If y’all going to futz around for an entire half, I’m going to bed. I have an early meeting in the morning.
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Post by: broodwars on May 20, 2021, 12:40:59 AM
This is embarrassing. I don’t even care if the Lakers come back. If y’all going to futz around for an entire half, I’m going to bed. I have an early meeting in the morning.

Well, they did, and as a result they're going to have to go through the Suns & probably the Nuggets before they (hopefully) face the Jazz, so we're grateful for that. The Warriors just completely collapsed in the 2nd half.  Would be even nicer if the Grizzlies could find it within themselves to beat the Warriors to steal the 8th seed, especially since we still don't have confirmation on when Mitchell's coming back.
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Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2021, 12:51:14 AM
Well, they did…
LOL. I couldn’t sleep so I caught most of the fourth quarter. This is the basketball I want to see.

I kind of feel like the Jazz should have wanted to see the Lakers earlier rather than later. They’re still getting their rhythm (e.g. that first half). Kick ‘em while they’re weak.

Two more Jazz related comments. First and foremost, good on the team for providing 30 (THIRTY) full four year scholarships for every win preseason and regular season before the all-star break. The Jazz went on a fucking tear in the beginning of the season. Second, I’m here for the Joe Ingles/Donovan Mitchell bromance. Those two are hilarious together.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2021, 01:10:52 AM
Now that was a game.
I don't like how it ended, but it was competitive.

Not something I can say for the other 3 Play-In games, and don't let that Grizz-Spurs game score fool you. That **** was not a good watch.

Unfortunately, we gonna have to make a point against the Grizz again (fingers crossed), but the only reason we lost tonight is all the damn turnovers!!!! we were fighting for rebounds, making shots, everyone mostly involved. We were doing so many things right, and then we just kept turning the ball over..... momentum killer.

But on to the next one. Friday it is.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2021, 04:30:13 PM
I only watched the second half, so it was mostly good for me.  That go-ahead three was incredible.

Mostly unrelated: I have a friend who is a big Drake fan, and he hasn't dropped the album he initially said would be out in January.  So it was kinda funny to see him at the game, and she got upset when I pointed this out in the group chat.
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Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2021, 11:08:32 PM
The Wizards blew out the Pacers. Sheesh. The league tripped upward into one good play in game. They need to reevaluate the structure.

Happy for Bradley Beal, seems like a really good dude. You could tell how much losing early in the season affected him. Also happy for Russell Westbrook. He doesn’t always play the right way (seriously, stop shooting three pointers, bruh), but he has a lot of passion. I hope Sixers vs. Wizards is a good series.
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Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2021, 12:05:32 AM
We have our finalists for the various yearly awards:

https://www.nba.com/news/finalists-announced-for-2020-21-nba-awards (https://www.nba.com/news/finalists-announced-for-2020-21-nba-awards)

MVP:

Stephen Curry, Golden State Warriors
Joel Embiid, Philadelphia 76ers
Nikola Jokić, Denver Nuggets

Rookie of the Year:

LaMelo Ball, Charlotte Hornets
Anthony Edwards, Minnesota Timberwolves
Tyrese Haliburton, Sacramento Kings

Defensive Player of the Year:

Rudy Gobert, Utah Jazz
Draymond Green, Golden State Warriors
Ben Simmons, Philadelphia 76ers

Most Improved Player:

Jerami Grant, Detroit Pistons
Michael Porter Jr., Denver Nuggets
Julius Randle, New York Knicks

6th Man of the Year:

Jordan Clarkson, Utah Jazz
Joe Ingles, Utah Jazz
Derrick Rose, New York Knicks

Coach of the Year:

Quin Snyder, Utah Jazz
Tom Thibodeau, New York Knicks
Monty Williams, Phoenix Suns

A couple of surprises on here. First, I thought they'd already given Coach of the Year to Monty Williams, so I'm a little confused. I guess there's more than one Coach of the Year award.

Second, Joel Embiid is one of the finalists for MVP, but not Chris Paul? Really?

Finally, both Jordan Clarkson AND Joe Ingles in the 6th Man Conversation. Look, Joe absolutely belongs there. I'm just shocked that the NBA actually agrees and didn't only nominate Clarkson (who was widely expected to win this category).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2021, 12:10:53 AM
The Wizards blew out the Pacers. Sheesh. The league tripped upward into one good play in game. They need to reevaluate the structure.

I feel if we really want ALL the games to count, then try out a Top 16, split into 2 brackets (Odds v Evens?) w/ the Play-In structure. Yeah, you might only have 5 teams out the East in the locked in Play-off brackets (Top 12), but that's their fault for being so bad historically as a conference.

Quote
I hope Sixers vs. Wizards is a good series.

future narrator: It wasn't
(prove me wrong)

Now we just need the Warriors to SMOKE the Grizz so bad, that Curry don't even play the 4th quarter. we coming with that PLAYOFF INTENSITY!!!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2021, 12:58:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/11CeNhU.jpeg)

So I'm gonna take my guesses: Controversial on the 1st pick ;) :P

MVP: Curry  (Jokic close 2nd :D)

DPOY: Rudy Gobert

Sixth Man: (shot in the dark...) Clarkson

ROTY: LaMelo Ball  (close 2nd goes to Antony Edwards)

MIP: Julius Randle

COTY: Thibs? Williams?.... let's go with Wiliams.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2021, 02:20:32 AM
Alright, I'll play along even though I'm 🤷‍♀️ when it comes to awards.

Most Valuable Player: Nikola Jokic. This would be closer if not for the Nuggets continuing to win after Jamal Murray's season ending injury.

Defensive Player of the Year: Ben Simmons though I kind of want to say Draymond Green.

Sixth Man: Joe Ingles. I'm conflicted. He's better than Jordan Clarkson, but Ingles started almost half the season. Toss up between the two.

Rookie of the Year: LaMelo Ball. I haven't really been following this. My understanding is Anthony Edwards had a somewhat slow start. Also, didn't the Hornets fall off a cliff after Ball broke his wrist? I still maintain that this is the worst of these awards.

Most Improved Player: Julius Randle. Go get it, former baby Lakers. Randle helped the Knicks be competitive and even enjoyable to watch. He gets the Knicks-not-gonna-Knick-for-once bump. Randle played himself into a likely max extension. I don't know how this could be anyone else.

Coach of the Year: Monty Williams. This was close. I almost picked Tom Thibodeau for the same reason as Randle above. The Suns' turn around is a little more impressive to me.

A couple of surprises on here. First, I thought they'd already given Coach of the Year to Monty Williams, so I'm a little confused. I guess there's more than one Coach of the Year award.
The Coach's voted for Williams already. These finalists are voted by the media.
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Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2021, 06:43:01 AM
MVP: Nikola Jokić - Had the Nuggets not lost Murray, they'd be one of the Top 3 teams in the league. The fact that they still ended the season alright without him says a lot about Jokic.

Rookie of the Year: LaMelo Ball - Fairly easy pick. He was the player this year that got the media to stop worshiping Zion.

Defensive Player of the Year: Rudy Gobert - Had Gobert not lost this award to Simmons last year, I'd think Simmons would be getting it this year.

Most Improved Player: Toss-up between Michael Porter Jr and Julius Randle, with a lean towards Randle since his team's been so historically terrible.

6th Man of the Year: As Adrock pointed out, Clarkson should probably get this one because he actually stayed on the bench all season. However, on the flipside, Ingles is having a career year. I'd like to think the NBA will acknowledge that.

Coach of the Year: I think Monty Williams will win it. The Jazz have historically gotten screwed-over on Coach of the Year, despite pulling off performances similar to what the Suns did this year. Consider how Jerry Sloan never won Coach of the Year despite the records he would put in.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2021, 05:30:35 PM
It’s ridiculous that Jerry Sloan never won Coach of the Year. I’m too lazy to check if the coaches ever acknowledged Sloan with their vote. As for Quin Snyder, this would be the year to win it. The Jazz have gotten incrementally better over the last few years so that weirdly works against him. It shouldn’t, but it does. He isn’t getting the credit he deserves for just how well coached the Jazz have been, particularly this season. The Suns have missed the playoffs for like 12 or 13 years. They didn’t even merely sneak into the play in games. The dramatic turnaround puts Monty Williams over.

While Rudy Gobert is a perennially excellent defender, he has an exploitable weakness (defending on the perimeter), particularly against guards with bonkers handles (https://youtu.be/UZOCU2ZzhwE). The effort is there; he just doesn’t have the quickness/lateral moment to keep up. I’m also docking points from Gobert. WTF was this, man? (https://youtu.be/mByBJzcuoZ0)
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Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2021, 06:30:02 PM
It’s ridiculous that Jerry Sloan never won Coach of the Year. I’m too lazy to check if the coaches ever acknowledged Sloan with their vote. As for Quin Snyder, this would be the year to win it. The Jazz have gotten incrementally better over the last few years so that weirdly works against him. It shouldn’t, but it does. He isn’t getting the credit he deserves for just how well coached the Jazz have been, particularly this season. The Suns have missed the playoffs for like 12 or 13 years. They didn’t even merely sneak into the play in games. The dramatic turnaround puts Monty Williams over.

While Rudy Gobert is a perennially excellent defender, he has an exploitable weakness (defending on the perimeter), particularly against guards with bonkers handles (https://youtu.be/UZOCU2ZzhwE). The effort is there; he just doesn’t have the quickness/lateral moment to keep up. I’m also docking points from Gobert. WTF was this, man? (https://youtu.be/mByBJzcuoZ0)

According to the below article, the NBA Coaches Association did award their Coach of the Year Award to Jerry Sloan following the 2003-2004 season. That was the year the Jazz were slated to be the worst team of the league at the start, but Sloan rallied them to almost make the playoffs with a 42-40 record. They missed the playoffs by 1 game. 9th Seed.

And eesh, that roster was not impressive, outside of AK-47 and I guess Raja Bell.

PG    Arroyo, Carlos
SG    Bell, Raja
C    Borchardt, Curtis
C    Collins, Jarron
SG    Giriček, Gordan
PF    Gugliotta, Tom
SG    Harpring, Matt
SF    Kirilenko, Andrei
PG    López, Raül
PF    Moore, Mikki
C    Ostertag, Greg
SG    Pavlović, Sasha
PF    Ruffin, Michael
PG    Williams, Mo

https://nbacoaches.com/nbca-statement-on-the-passing-of-coach-jerry-sloan/ (https://nbacoaches.com/nbca-statement-on-the-passing-of-coach-jerry-sloan/)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 21, 2021, 07:10:20 PM
While Rudy Gobert is a perennially excellent defender, he has an exploitable weakness (defending on the perimeter), particularly against guards with bonkers handles (https://youtu.be/UZOCU2ZzhwE). The effort is there; he just doesn’t have the quickness/lateral moment to keep up. I’m also docking points from Gobert. WTF was this, man? (https://youtu.be/mByBJzcuoZ0)

Before I even clicked that first link, I already knew it was the Gobert in a cold wash cycle by Chef Curry. Modern Classic moment. I wonder how much the NFT of that would cost 🤣
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2021, 11:43:53 PM
Holy shiz, fellas. Overtime!

At the end of the game, Draymond has to attack with purpose. There was no time for a pass.
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Post by: Adrock on May 21, 2021, 11:53:57 PM
Goddammit, Wiggins and Poole.
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Post by: broodwars on May 21, 2021, 11:54:16 PM
Wow, I can't believe the League let the Warriors be eliminated before the Playoffs even started. I expected a lot more "convenient" superstar calls than there actually were in the Warriors' favor down the stretch.

Well, congratulations, Grizzlies. May you be nowhere near successful as you come to Vivint Arena on Sunday to die.
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Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2021, 12:02:04 AM
1. Any team can lose one. This is exactly why I wanted the Lakers to have no part in the second play in game.

2. I get the excitement, but the prize is still a little weird. “YES! Onward to the playoffs! We get to play the Jazz……… OH NO!”
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Post by: broodwars on May 22, 2021, 12:04:05 AM
1. Any team can lose one. This is exactly why I wanted the Lakers to have no part in the second play in game.

2. I get the excitement, but the prize is still a little weird. “YES! Onward to the playoffs! We get to play the Jazz……… OH NO!”

The Jazz on Sunday, provided Donovan Mitchell is good to go (and he claims that he is). We won all 3 of our games with them this year:

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/6f58690e08fdb86c19dd99f731cc5b03/tenor.gif?itemid=9081652)
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Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2021, 01:47:50 AM
Two of the three games in the Jazz/Grizzlies season series were close. At the very least, I’m hoping for a competitive and entertaining first round. I am expecting a sweep. I felt the Warriors could have pushed it to six games.

If the Jazz can get away with playing Mitchell restricted minutes, totally do that. Use these games to get into game shape because the Jazz will likely play the Clippers next, and they’ll need him as close to 💯. Ideally, the Mavericks would advance to the Conference finals on that side of the bracket (I like Luka’s game), but failing that, the Jazz are a close second for me.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 22, 2021, 06:50:25 PM
1. Any team can lose one. This is exactly why I wanted the Lakers to have no part in the second play in game.

2. I get the excitement, but the prize is still a little weird. “YES! Onward to the playoffs! We get to play the Jazz……… OH NO!”

Yeah, to claw your way up from the 9th seed to go play the 1 seed feels like a pyrrhic victory at best.  I guess playoff experience is valuable, and maybe invigorates the fan base.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2021, 06:57:44 PM
It wasn't supposed to turn out this way!!! we had that game against the Lakers... we should've taken the Grizz...

I guess it wasn't meant to be. We woulda got smoked by the Jazz anyway, but it might've been fun.

TBH, I only watched parts of the game as I was not in a TV filled environment. tuned in full time for the 2nd half of the 4th Qtr and OT. Grizz played hard, and Steph literally couldn't do it all by himself.
But it's all good. Next Season.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 22, 2021, 07:01:24 PM
Sorry BNM.  You have lots of nice young talent in Wiggins, Oubre Jr and JTA.

If you were running the team would you flip a few young players for a star or just run it back next season?
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Post by: broodwars on May 22, 2021, 07:14:26 PM
Well, we've now had our 2nd big surprise of the Playoffs as the Mavericks stole Game 1 against the Clippers 113-103.

That's good for the Jazz. We'd much rather be playing the Mavs than the Clippers in Round 2. Plus, the Clippers organization has just been such a joke in general, historically.
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Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2021, 07:41:49 PM
That loss makes this even funnier:
(https://i.ibb.co/FVHzNFf/29-F81-C75-4572-45-F4-B9-BD-F097-EDA2-E46-E.jpg)
It’s like they learned nothing from last year. Keep your mouths closed until you’ve done something. What are y’all doing? You’re staring down a role player for trying to play defense while Luka Dončić dismantles yours. Didn’t you guys tank specifically to play the Mavericks instead of the Lakers? What a bunch of fucking clownshoes.

If the Mavericks lose this series, I really hope the Jazz embarrass them right out of Staples Center. My goodness, man, this team is hard to like.
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Post by: broodwars on May 22, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
While the Nets crushed the Celtics tonight following James Harden's miraculous (and some would say "convenient") return from resting all season by faking an injury, I found this article on good ol' King James.

It seems that the NBA's current favorite son violated the League's Health & Safety Protocols, a violation that will apparently result in no punishment whatsoever from the League because he's Lebron James.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/charles-barkley-on-lebron-james-violating-nba-protocols-league-doesnt-have-the-guts-to-suspend-him/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/charles-barkley-on-lebron-james-violating-nba-protocols-league-doesnt-have-the-guts-to-suspend-him/)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 22, 2021, 11:35:46 PM
Well he did it Tuesday night. Another reason Warriors should've been in 7th seed.

And to BeautifulShy, is I was running the team, we would've had LaMelo instead of Wiseman, and we might not have even been in the play in, because we would've 6 seed or higher.

But to answer the question directly, I would just run it back. We get Klay back next season.
With Poole and JTA making such strides this season, Curry will have help spacing the floor next season and not need to flip the MVP switch full time just to win games.
Not to mention we have the T Wolves pick possibly.... So we might have another shot at a relatively high 1st rnd pick.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 23, 2021, 12:42:51 AM
While the Nets crushed the Celtics tonight following James Harden's miraculous (and some would say "convenient") return from resting all season by faking an injury, I found this article on good ol' King James.

It seems that the NBA's current favorite son violated the League's Health & Safety Protocols, a violation that will apparently result in no punishment whatsoever from the League because he's Lebron James.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/charles-barkley-on-lebron-james-violating-nba-protocols-league-doesnt-have-the-guts-to-suspend-him/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/charles-barkley-on-lebron-james-violating-nba-protocols-league-doesnt-have-the-guts-to-suspend-him/)

LMAO. That's ridiculous.  Is the official line for the league that the event required negative tests/proof of vaccination?  Or just a shoulder shrug?
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Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2021, 01:10:45 AM
If the Lakers win this year, it’s comforting to know the same whiners who cried about putting an asterisk next to last season’s championship will try to invalidate this year’s because “LeBron shouldn’t have played in the first round.” I already know I wouldn’t enjoy a championship this year, and this is just one more thing for people to be insufferable about.

I don’t have enough information about how the league governs the health and safety protocols to form an educated opinion on this even if everyone wants to shout favoritism. Superstar players sometimes get preferential treatment from refs. From the league during a global pandemic where people’s lives are at stake? Forgive my skepticism.

That said, if letter of the law states James must miss time due to health and safety protocol, then that should absolutely happen, playoffs be damned. However, that doesn’t seem to be the case and James may skirt by due to the circumstances of the event. Per the article that broke this news by ESPN’s Dave McMenamin (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31487427/los-angeles-lakers-lebron-james-violated-protocol-attending-event-nba-says):
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The tequila was poured at a brief outdoor photo shoot, and invitees, including recording artist Drake and actor Michael B. Jordan, had to produce proof of vaccination or a recent negative test result in order to attend.
If it weren’t for the fact that it’s verified and corroborated that James couldn’t even attend the event if he didn’t produce proof of vaccination or a recent negative test result, perhaps he would have had to miss time. I guess it also helps that the event was outside.

It should be noted that Kevin Porter Jr. violated the league’s health and safety protocols in April and was fined $50,000 (https://www.nba.com/news/rockets-guard-kevin-porter-jr-fined-50k). He went to a strip club and is decidedly not a superstar player. The only punishment is the fine as players aren’t suspended for violating health and safety protocols. Any games missed are due to quarantine. Expect a LeFine from the league. James can wipe the tears from that $50,000 fine with $100,000.

I’ve gotten the impression from various comment threads I was stupid enough to scroll through that the people who are mad about this are primarily mad because it’s LeBron James and the Lakers, and if it was the best player on the team they root for, the vast majority of them would shut up about it. That sounds about right.

Also, James may already be vaccinated even if he won’t publicly admit it. When Dennis Schröder had to go into quarantine on May 3, he stated he and James were the only Lakers players not vaccinated. About a week ago, Schröder said he was the only Lakers player not vaccinated. Either James is vaccinated or he told Schröder to shut the **** up. In a recent memo to teams, the league agreed to loosen restrictions to protocols “two weeks past their final dose and any team where 85% of players and 85% of staff are fully vaccinated.” We’ll see when/if the Lakers are eligible.

Ultimately, without more information, the main thing I find disconcerting is James being so coy about whether he’s vaccinated. It seems like Schröder unwittingly outed him already. While he is not required by law or the league to publicly confirm his status, doing so would go a long way toward normalizing the vaccine for those on the fence who respect James enough to follow his lead. I can also see not wanting that pressure as it is not really his responsibility unless you want to get philosophical about it.
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Post by: ThePerm on May 23, 2021, 05:06:49 AM
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 23, 2021, 05:11:01 AM
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Post by: Adrock on May 23, 2021, 05:33:05 PM
I’m fine with the Lakers losing. I just don’t want to listen to Mark Jackson while it happens.

His commentary is like “When the ball goes in the basket, the player who shot is credited the points. Mama, there goes that man.”

Can some team please hire this man as coach?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2021, 05:56:34 PM
I’m fine with the Lakers losing. I just don’t want to listen to Mark Jackson while it happens.

His commentary is like “When the ball goes in the basket, the player who shot is credited the points. Mama, there goes that man.”

Can some team please hire this man as coach?

Sounds very "Madden"-like annoyingly obvious commentary.
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Post by: broodwars on May 23, 2021, 11:46:51 PM
UGH...absolutely pathetic showing from the Jazz tonight. Just no offensive playmaking whatsoever. I can't believe they had Mitchell sit this game out. Clearly, he can't sit this series out going forward.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2021, 11:50:01 PM
UGH...absolutely pathetic showing from the Jazz tonight. Just no offensive playmaking whatsoever. I can't believe they had Mitchell sit this game out. Clearly, he can't sit this series out going forward.

If a couple more days will have him at 100%, why not let him sit... it's a 7 game series.
Losing the home court advantage isn't the end of the world. Especially if you win the next 2-3 and take it back.
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Post by: broodwars on May 24, 2021, 12:15:11 AM
UGH...absolutely pathetic showing from the Jazz tonight. Just no offensive playmaking whatsoever. I can't believe they had Mitchell sit this game out. Clearly, he can't sit this series out going forward.

If a couple more days will have him at 100%, why not let him sit... it's a 7 game series.
Losing the home court advantage isn't the end of the world. Especially if you win the next 2-3 and take it back.

I'm not certain the Jazz will win the next 2-3 games if they continue to be as rusty and uncoordinated on the floor as they were tonight. I know it's only a 3 point loss, but they were down by 15 at one point in the 4th. It was a disaster.

The one good takeaway from all this is that there's no way the Jazz can be as cold shooting in the next game as they were tonight. They were ice cold tonight. And Gobert has to learn again how to play without fouling.
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Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2021, 12:29:31 AM
Imagine what Steph Curry would have done tonight. Maybe Donovan Mitchell will think twice before faking an injury and missing Game 2. :smug:

In all seriousness, live by the three, die by the three. The Jazz were always going to have a night like this simply by law of averages. 25.5% is not the norm for this team. You figure the Jazz go even 30%, they win this game. Losing any playoff game is not ideal. No need to panic or get upset. They’ll be fine.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 24, 2021, 12:46:02 AM
Memphis was impressive tonight, but I think the Jazz still take the series.  Still could shape up to be better than people were willing to give it credit for.  When the Warriors lost, I saw people suggesting the series be on TruTV or another "off" network.
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Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2021, 01:01:04 AM
When the Warriors lost, I saw people suggesting the series be on TruTV or another "off" network.
(https://i.ibb.co/N7xmpDn/99-B9-C6-C7-3-FC4-4-D53-8-C04-2-F4-BDADB8-CDA.gif)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 24, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
Well Jordan Clarkson former Laker current Jazz player got the 6th man award this season. He has been a major part of the Jazz this season and as a former Laker I am proud.   Now if Randle can get the Most Improved Player award I will be very happy.
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2021, 06:26:41 PM
Donovan Mitchell is miraculously healed and will play tonight. Team training staff often have to save the players from themselves. Of course, they want to play because they do this for a living. There can be dire consequences when you let a player dictate their return (e.g. Kevin Durant in the 2019 Finals). That may or may not have been the case here. The Jazz just signed this guy to a five year extension last off-season that hasn’t kicked in yet, and they clearly thought they could steal one while sitting their star for another game. I mean, they almost did.

Mitchell’s relationship with the Jazz has apparently been damaged. Per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst:
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I will tell you this: Donovan's relationship with the organization was damaged this week. Is it damaged to the point where it can't be repaired? I'm not saying that. Is it something that they'll get past and he'll just move on and it will just be a blip on the radar screen? Maybe. Maybe they're in The Finals in two months and who cares? Maybe they win the next four games and it's totally forgotten. But right now, Donovan is hurting. He's really hurting the way this happened.

This can only mean one thing:
(https://i.ibb.co/CnWNd68/0-C536-FA4-2-B0-F-4-D85-9-D72-2-E64-E68-B2-D56.png)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on May 25, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
Donovan Mitchell is miraculously healed and will play tonight. Team training staff often have to save the players from themselves. Of course, they want to play because they do this for a living. There can be dire consequences when you let a player dictate their return (e.g. Kevin Durant in the 2019 Finals). That may or may not have been the case here. The Jazz just signed this guy to a five year extension last off-season that hasn’t kicked in yet, and they clearly thought they could steal one while sitting their star for another game. I mean, they almost did.

Mitchell’s relationship with the Jazz has apparently been damaged. Per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst:
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I will tell you this: Donovan's relationship with the organization was damaged this week. Is it damaged to the point where it can't be repaired? I'm not saying that. Is it something that they'll get past and he'll just move on and it will just be a blip on the radar screen? Maybe. Maybe they're in The Finals in two months and who cares? Maybe they win the next four games and it's totally forgotten. But right now, Donovan is hurting. He's really hurting the way this happened.

This can only mean one thing:
(https://i.ibb.co/CnWNd68/0-C536-FA4-2-B0-F-4-D85-9-D72-2-E64-E68-B2-D56.png)

Editor's note: The Jazz don't play again until tomorrow night.

Yeah, I've been hearing about this all day today, that apparently Donovan thought he was ready to play and that he was GOING to play Game 1, but the medical staff shut him down. I'm conflicted on that, as Jazz Legend Karl Malone ended his career on an injury (with the Lakers) due to him not properly taking care of himself. The Jazz need him, but if the medical staff doesn't think he's ready to play...well, I just don't want to see him come back to just lose him again in the 2nd or 3rd rounds to more serious injury.

On a side note, I'd like to plug an NBA Podcast I've taken a liking to in recent weeks: "The Monty Show". It IS a Jazz-Centric podcast, but they talk about the rest of the NBA, too. I've found it quite enjoyable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIzjY2356Ws (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIzjY2356Ws)
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Post by: Adrock on May 25, 2021, 07:57:28 PM
Let’s just get this out of the way: The Jazz can absolutely win the series without Donovan Mitchell. That isn’t even a hot take. It took an uncharacteristically bad shooting night from the three point line for the Jazz to only lose by three points. I can’t see that happening four times.

The Jazz are rightfully concerned about losing Mitchell next year which would be a disaster not just for the Jazz but the league. You don’t want to lose one of the most promising young stars for an entire season. My hope is Kevin Durant’s ruptured achilles scares teams away from allowing a player to return early ever again. I started watching basketball in the 90s when players played through all manner of injuries. Kobe famously played through a broken ligament in his shooting hand. I get it; ball is life. Pick your battles though. Any significant injury to the lower extremities or even back is gonna be a no for me, dawg.

EDIT: That podcast is an hour and 46 minutes?! Are there like 45 minutes of ads? Do they perform the H.M.S. Pinafore right in the middle there? I normally don’t listen to Lakers’ podcast over an hour. I’ll start it; no promises on listening to the whole thing. I don’t commute to work right now which was my prime podcast time.
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Post by: broodwars on May 25, 2021, 09:30:13 PM
EDIT: That podcast is an hour and 46 minutes?! Are there like 45 minutes of ads? Do they perform the H.M.S. Pinafore right in the middle there? I normally don’t listen to Lakers’ podcast over an hour. I’ll start it; no promises on listening to the whole thing. I don’t commute to work right now which was my prime podcast time.

*cough*(used to actually do a 3 hour gaming podcast)*cough*  ;)

Eh, I listen to it live at work while doing the daily grind, so I never really notice the length. There is a lot of filler talk, though, in the last 1/3 of any given episode. It's rare to find an NBA show that talks about the Jazz for more than 5 minutes, so the deep dive discussions on the team appeal to me. Naturally, with the Playoffs going on, they also talk about the other games going on that particular day, so just enjoy whatever appeals to you.
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Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2021, 12:45:51 AM
The Lakers decided to play basketball again in the last few minutes to snag the win after pooping away a 15 point lead. The important thing is they took home court advantage. LeBron managed to hit another LeFuckYou3. MV-Payne showed up for the Suns.

For the love of all that is good, please don’t make me listen to Mark Jackson or Reggie Miller again in this series.
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Post by: broodwars on May 26, 2021, 12:57:57 AM
The Lakers decided to play basketball again in the last few minutes to snag the win after pooping away a 15 point lead. The important thing is they took home court advantage. LeBron managed to hit another LeFuckYou3. MV-Payne showed up for the Suns.

For the love of all that is good, please don’t make me listen to Mark Jackson or Reggie Miller again in this series.

I can't stand Kevin Harlan, myself. He never modulates his commentary. It's always RIGHT UP HERE...5 SECONDS AFTER THE THING HE'S COMMENTING ON ACTUALLY HAPPENS.
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Post by: Adrock on May 26, 2021, 01:20:34 AM
I can deal with Kevin Harlan. I’m usually too distracted by whoever TNT paired with him. Nationally, Mike Breen and Doris Burke are pretty good. Most former players are not good color commentators which is baffling because they spent years playing the game at a professional level. Tell me about the defensive set or something. Why is their commentary so shallow and obvious?

Anyway, Mavericks are up 2-0. I only got to watch the last five minutes or so because I was obviously watching a different game. I switched over, and the Mavericks immediately gave up an 8-0 run. LAFFO. What’s the over/under on Kawhi Leonard joining the Heat or Knicks in free agency if the Clippers drop this series?
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Post by: broodwars on May 26, 2021, 01:32:28 AM
I can deal with Kevin Harlan. I’m usually too distracted by whoever TNT paired with him. Nationally, Mike Breen and Doris Burke are pretty good. Most former players are not good color commentators which is baffling because they spent years playing the game at a professional level. Tell me about the defensive set or something. Why is their commentary so shallow and obvious?

I worked the better part of 2 years in Sports video games. It's both praise to the game experience & damning to the live experience that the Commentary sounds exactly as cut & paste and phoned-in across both experiences.

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Anyway, Mavericks are up 2-0. I only got to watch the last five minutes or so because I was obviously watching a different game. I switched over, and the Mavericks immediately gave up an 8-0 run. LAFFO. What’s the over/under on Kawhi Leonard joining the Heat or Knicks in free agency if the Clippers drop this series?

The Clippers Organization in a nutshell:

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JealousShinyHousefly-max-1mb.gif)
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Post by: nickmitch on May 26, 2021, 01:04:53 PM
I can deal with Kevin Harlan. I’m usually too distracted by whoever TNT paired with him. Nationally, Mike Breen and Doris Burke are pretty good. Most former players are not good color commentators which is baffling because they spent years playing the game at a professional level. Tell me about the defensive set or something. Why is their commentary so shallow and obvious?

I worked the better part of 2 years in Sports video games. It's both praise to the game experience & damning to the live experience that the Commentary sounds exactly as cut & paste and phoned-in across both experiences.

I think the problem is players aren't really trained to talk, and it's not a skill they develop while playing the game.  Obviously, they all understand the game to depth that most people don't, but being able to articulate that into meaningful commentary is just not what they're good at.  And I'll say this about most athletes' who move into commentary.  There's notable exceptions, sure, but I think the norm is most of those guys can't really do the desk job.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2021, 12:43:32 AM
Did anyone see and NBA fan almost get murdered during the game tonight?

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1397722670838411264?s=20

Who thinks he would've bodied that dude had there not been 5 guys around him to hold him back?
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Post by: broodwars on May 27, 2021, 01:04:26 AM
Wild one tonight in Utah as the Jazz escape with a 141-129 win over the Grizzlies. Yes, I know the Jazz led most of the game. I stand by that wording. The box score does not tell the story of this game, as the Grizzlies cut a 22 point lead to 3 early in the 3rd and were continually threatening to get back into the game the entire rest of the game. They only GOT into that hole because they played very stupidly in the 1st half, repeatedly fouling 3 point shooters & getting their best players off the floor in foul trouble. Outside of Royce O 'Neil & Rudy Gobert, the Jazz were just completely unable to hold back Morrant; Valenciunas; and Brookes in the 2nd half.

The Grizzlies are going to be a tough out if the Jazz can't find a way to win outside of out-shooting them, as it took historic shooting from the Jazz to put them away tonight.

I also completely stand by what I said earlier about the Jazz needing Mitchell to win this game. Despite playing limited minutes, he was absolutely instrumental in building that early lead and then responding to that huge Grizzlies run in the 3rd quarter. Most importantly, just having him on the floor allowed the Jazz to establish their usual drive-&-kick playmaking, as well as allowing Ingles & Clarkson to resume their intended roles off the bench.

On a side note, is it just me or are Refs really fond of calling flagrant fouls these Playoffs? Been seeing a lot of them in these early games so far.
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Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2021, 01:47:27 AM
Who thinks he would've bodied that dude had there not been 5 guys around him to hold him back?
Nah. Westbrook would have yelled at the Sixers “fan”, but I think he’s smart enough not to go into the stands and lay a hand on him. He would get suspended for a literal season, and he’s on a max contract. Westbrook has a temper, but I’m not sure it’s bad enough to jeopardize $44 million. There was that one time in Denver (?) when a fan got on the court after the end of the game, got in Westbrook’s face, and Brodie pushed the fan aside. I don’t remember if Westbrook got any discipline action for that. He shouldn’t have; security is supposed to protect the players, right?

Anyway, I missed the games tonight because my nap simply turned into sleeping. Unfortunately, I can’t really comment too much. Knicks vs. Hawks seems like a good series. I’ll make more of an effort to watch Game 3.

As for the Jazz, just looking at the box score, WTF happened in the third quarter? The Grizzlies won’t go down without a fight. At the end of the day, I think talent wins out, and the Jazz just have more of it.

Game 1 of Sixers vs. Wizards was close-ish. The series wasn’t looking good for the Wizards, but losing Westbrook would mean the next two games are likely a formality. That might be curtains for Beal as a Wizard.
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Post by: Adrock on May 28, 2021, 12:56:46 AM
The Lakers had a great third quarter and a bizarre Benny Hill skit in the fourth quarter. Devin Booker got tossed at the very end with a Flagrant Foul 2. Yes, this was a good call (Booker pushed Schröder with two hands while he was already in the air). It was a dangerous foul but also really dumb. I get being frustrated with the loss but if he gets another, he’s automatically suspended for a game. What are you doing, bruh?

Looks like the Blazers are going to drop Game 3. I’d like to see a long series with the Blazers winning but I think the Nuggets take this.

The less said about the Bucks Force choking the Heat the better.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 29, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
So the Heat got swept.... and it wasn't even close... not in a single game.
I think the closest any of the games were, was at tip off when it was still scoreless.
(well, to be honest, it seems like the Heat were leading up to the half... then fell apart in 3rd & 4th)

Anyone think the Wizards also get swept?
I think Westbrook might be out the next game or 2 (rest of the series?) w/ a sprained ankle... at least that's why he left the previous game when he got that popcorn dumped on him.

Who predicts a 7 game series out of any of the remaining match up?
Blazers Nuggets?
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Post by: nickmitch on May 29, 2021, 07:43:36 PM
The Bucks Twitter account has posted a celebratory video (https://twitter.com/Bucks/status/1398731000939753476?s=20).
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Post by: broodwars on May 29, 2021, 10:27:05 PM
Clarkson is killing me here. The dude's decided he only has one play, and that's running at the 3 point line and chucking up a brick. He hasn't made one yet in 5 attempts.
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Post by: broodwars on May 30, 2021, 12:03:06 AM
Nice, comfortable win tonight for the Jazz as they defeated the Grizzles 121-111. Unlike Game 2, the Grizzlies never seriously felt like they had a chance to take the win, as the Jazz led by 7-11 points pretty much all night, with the Grizzles only taking a 2 point lead late in the 4th that was immediately rebuffed by a Utah run that sealed the game.

Not much to say about the game, really. It was a relatively easy win on a bad shooting night for the Jazz.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2021, 01:09:42 AM
Grizz putting up a good fight, but this would've been much more interesting if it was vs The Lakers or Warriors, preferably against the Lakers as that would mean it was the Warriors vs the Suns.

But Ja out there doing what he can, the Jazz are just too good this year.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 30, 2021, 05:04:47 PM
Uh oh, AD may be down for the rest of the game 👀. Not looking good for the Lakers. Especially if he can't make it back before the next 2 games....
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Post by: Adrock on May 30, 2021, 05:25:55 PM
🤷‍♀️

Apparently, Davis has a groins strain. That’s a wrap, fellas.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2021, 06:24:01 PM
🤷‍♀️

Apparently, Davis has a groins strain. That’s a wrap, fellas.

F this season. 
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2021, 09:32:25 PM
What's up with NBA fans in the arena this season?

Someone dumped popcorn on Westbrooks head
another spit at Trey Young
yesterday one threw a water bottle at Kyrie
and today, some idiot was on the court during the game, and got tackled
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1399532320277868549?s=20

https://twitter.com/Jeromice12/status/1399530994626142210?s=20


But seeing how Embiid is out for the game.... who sees the Wizards still getting swept here?
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Post by: broodwars on May 31, 2021, 09:58:06 PM
What's up with NBA fans in the arena this season?

Someone dumped popcorn on Westbrooks head
another spit at Trey Young
yesterday one threw a water bottle at Kyrie
and today, some idiot was on the court during the game, and got tackled
https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1399532320277868549?s=20

https://twitter.com/Jeromice12/status/1399530994626142210?s=20


But seeing how Embiid is out for the game.... who sees the Wizards still getting swept here?

Not today, apparently. The Wizards played Hack-A-Simmons from the 4 minute mark onward, and he did not make his free throws. Really annoying, since it delayed and then blocked me from seeing the start of tonight's Jazz game.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2021, 11:14:05 PM
Yeah.... I was watching.
It's so funny to have a starting PG that can't shoot.... It's gotta be absolutely embarrassing to know that you can be singled out in a close game to improve the other teams chances of winning, by making you take free throws, since they're gambling that you'll miss.

He did make half of them... but he needed to make all of them.
Sixers in Five.


now back to the Jazz v Grizz game.
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Post by: broodwars on June 01, 2021, 12:20:15 AM
Well, I'm not happy with that 4th quarter, but I'll take my playoff wins where I can get them as the Jazz remain 3-0 with Mitchell on the floor and now will head back to Salt Lake City to (hopefully) close out the series. I'm not making any bets there, as the Jazz have had issues with being up 3-1 in the playoffs lately.

But man, I'm concerned with the Jazz's defense. Morant and Brooks (and Melton in the 4th quarter) were getting whatever shots they wanted all night with defenders not even trying to stop them.

The Grizzlies are going to be a dangerous team in a few years when their younger guys learn how to screw up less.
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Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2021, 11:58:29 PM
Aww yiss, KCP back in the lin… oh, he’s injured again. Here’s a quick recap of the rest of the game:
(https://i.ibb.co/hLJ6712/07-DCADED-864-B-4000-BED1-22-CEAA35-A788.gif)

On the bright side, I’m glad I got to see that Damian Lillard game tying three at the end of regulation. The Blazers then fell behind by nine with like two and a half minutes to go so I stopped watching. Lillard apparently hit another game tying three pointer at the end of the first overtime so I’m going to stop writing this post and just watch this game while simultaneously weeping at the shart-level effort the Lakers put up today.
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Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2021, 12:17:43 AM
Never mind. Robert Covington missed a dunk, and C.J. McCollum stepped out of bounds. Waiting for Draymond Green to say, “It’s great to see Dame playing well, but get my man out of Portland. It’s not good for him; it’s not good for his career” on Inside the NBA.

Is that tampering?

Maybe.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 02, 2021, 12:26:52 AM
You would think he would want to leave after forcing overtime twice only for his teammates to score like once in the extra periods?
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Post by: broodwars on June 02, 2021, 12:44:42 AM
For the life of me, I don't understand how Blazers-Nuggets wasn't carried by ANY major network. It's a Playoff game. I don't care that it features 2 unpopular teams. I'd rather have watched that Double OT Thriller over watching the Suns absolutely paste the rotting corpse of the Lakers.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 02, 2021, 01:22:49 AM
Speaking of which, I found it wildly ironic that, as a Hulu Live subscriber, I could not find this game as it headed into overtime, despite Hulu running this commercial:


To whom it may be useful (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb7m0xRWKAQ)
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Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2021, 01:43:48 AM
You would think he would want to leave after forcing overtime twice only for his teammates to score like once in the extra periods?
This is what players get for their loyalty. What have the Blazers front office done to get Lillard the help he needs?
For the life of me, I don't understand how Blazers-Nuggets wasn't carried by ANY major network. It's a Playoff game. I don't care that it features 2 unpopular teams. I'd rather have watched that Double OT Thriller over watching the Suns absolutely paste the rotting corpse of the Lakers.
My guess: this is due to advertising contracts. Companies pay for commercial spots for specific games/series in the playoffs. No one knows a game is a blowout until it's a blowout, but advertisers are still owed their time.

Sometimes TNT will switch regular season games if one is a blowout. I think that's because TNT has scheduled nights during the regular season (Tuesdays and Thursdays?) rather than specific games. I imagine there's more leeway due to the amount of available games as well as "LOL, regular season".
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Post by: broodwars on June 02, 2021, 10:45:08 PM
Geez, Donovan Mitchell just can't miss tonight. Hell, no one can on the Jazz. They're up 75-51 at the half.

Do you think they've just a bit bitter over losing last year's series to the Nuggets after being up 3-1?  :P
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Post by: broodwars on June 03, 2021, 12:01:40 AM
Well, I've been waiting all series for the Jazz to just annihilate the Grizzlies, and tonight that time finally came. This game was over in the 1st quarter, and the Jazz's lead grew to as much as 35 in the 3rd quarter before Memphis finally started making some shots. The Jazz move on to face the winner of the Dallas-Clippers series, and hopefully that means the Mavericks but I just don't see that happening.

I'm concerned about Conley. Snyder pulled him at half time, citing his recurring hamstring injury. I hope that was just a precaution due to not needing him when we had an (at the time) 24 point lead, and that he isn't actually hurt. Looks like he and Donovan are going to get some much-needed rest while the Dallas series sorts itself out.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2021, 05:45:26 PM
Well, now that the Sixers, Hawks, Jazz and Nets have all completed their gentleman's sweeps, how do we see the rest of round one turning out?

Dame turned out one helluva (wasted) performance on Tuesday night.
Lebron ain't carrying the same Lakers that played Tuesday anywhere but to the nearest dumpster (aka trading block).
Mavs v Clippers really could go either way depending on which way the wind is blowing... Or the shots are falling...

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Gm7 between Clips and Mavs, and the Blazers v Nuggets.

Personally I think the Lakers are just done. Pressure too much for Kuz and the Tradeables.
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Post by: broodwars on June 03, 2021, 06:18:36 PM
Well, now that the Sixers, Hawks, Jazz and Nets have all completed their gentleman's sweeps, how do we see the rest of round one turning out?

Dame turned out one helluva (wasted) performance on Tuesday night.
Lebron ain't carrying the same Lakers that played Tuesday anywhere but to the nearest dumpster (aka trading block).
Mavs v Clippers really could go either way depending on which way the wind is blowing... Or the shots are falling...

Wouldn't be surprised to see a Gm7 between Clips and Mavs, and the Blazers v Nuggets.

Personally I think the Lakers are just done. Pressure too much for Kuz and the Tradeables.

Well, I guess the Clips could still win this series with the Mavs, but after watching the remainder of the game after last night's Jazz game ended, I have to say I'm not impressed with either team. The Clippers can't execute a play worth a damn, and the Mavericks can't shoot. It's just ugly basketball. I'm not convinced the Clips are going to win Game 6, not after how badly they threw away Game 5. The Mavs were score-less for, like, 5 minutes in the 4th, and they couldn't do better than draw even from a 3 possession deficit.

As for Blazers-Nuggets, the Nuggets are the better team. This could go to 7, but the Nuggets will win it in the end.

The Lakers are done if AD isn't back for Game 6 and Chris Paul's injury wasn't as bad as it looked. If it goes to 7 games, I think the Lakers probably edge out a tough win since AD will be back by then.
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Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2021, 06:24:01 PM
Oh yeah, the Lakers are toast. The hope was that they could get back to playing shape as the playoffs marched on, but they just got more injured. Easy come, easy go. No one is going to feel bad for them. Even if they got past the Suns, they weren’t going to get past anyone else with everyone banged up. I think there’s a possibility the Lakers win tonight with or without Davis. The one thing I’m dreading is all the Lakers stans coming out of the woodwork with **** takes like “If Anthony Davis didn’t get injured, the Lakers would have won the series.” Well, that didn’t happen so GTFOH. Personally, if they’re going to get eliminated, best to happen in the first round. Get some rest, get healthy, and hopefully come back next year with a sense of purpose, hungry and angry (hangry?), and the determination to take the title back from the Nets, whichever team wins this year.

I think the Nuggets advance. Game 5 was pivotal. Damian Lillard dragged that entire Blazers team to a second overtime and he outscored them 17-2. He simply is not getting the help he needs. The overtime periods were embarrassing; the other Blazers were straight up clown shoes. C.J. McCollum with that J.R. Smith nonsense, just fucking stepped out of bounds. This may be the tipping point. I would not be surprised if Lillard finally requests a trade in the off-season. *insert Sam Presti joke here*

I could go either way with the Mavericks/Clippers. Regardless of what happens, Luka Dončić exposed the Clippers, straight up turned them into nephews. They can’t contain one guy?! Even if the Clippers crawl out of this series, they’d get f-ing draaaaaaaaaagged by the Jazz. That said, if I was the Jazz, I wouldn’t want any of Playoff Luka’s smoke (I’d still pick the Jazz to win). I’d rather face the team that is the collective embodiment of the shrug emoji right now.
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Post by: broodwars on June 03, 2021, 07:13:17 PM
I could go either way with the Mavericks/Clippers. Regardless of what happens, Luka Dončić exposed the Clippers, straight up turned them into nephews. They can’t contain one guy?! Even if the Clippers crawl out of this series, they’d get f-ing draaaaaaaaaagged by the Jazz. That said, if I was the Jazz, I wouldn’t want any of Playoff Luka’s smoke (I’d still pick the Jazz to win). I’d rather face the team that is the collective embodiment of the shrug emoji right now.

I'd rather take the Mavs, even if they are a harder match-up than the Clippers hypothetically. If there's one thing that Jazz-Memphis Game 1 should have taught the Jazz, it's that they couldn't just sleepwalk their way against an allegedly inferior opponent. Memphis gave them a bloody nose & made them work for 3 out of their 4 wins. The Mavs are similar in that Luka will give the Jazz a workout, but they're still a very beatable team.

I'd rather the Jazz get into proper playoff shape now against beatable teams that will make them work for it so they are ready and battle-tested for the likes of the Suns & the Nets later on. The Suns swept us this year, and the Nets will have the complete backing of Adam Silver's referees. The Jazz need to play better than they did in the Memphis series.

On a side note, I'm just relishing the thought of an NBA playoffs 2nd round where the Warriors; Knicks; Heat; and both LA teams have been eliminated. It would be even better if the Bucks could knock off the Nets and make it not only a small market playoffs, but one where IIRC none of the teams remaining have won a championship before. With as much disdain as the league seems to have for small market teams, I just love the idea of Adam Silver being on suicide watch with no big market teams to shill.  :P
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2021, 10:26:36 PM
4 minutes left and the Blazers down 9....

Does Dame bother knowing he gotta do it all himself?
I mean it's win or got home for the Blazers, but after last games 2xOT showdown w/ not only no help, but his own team working against him... does he bother passing the ball down the stretch if Dame Time kicks in in the last 2 minutes?
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Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2021, 10:59:32 PM
Get Anthony Davis off the floor. I get that this is an elimination game, but he isn’t moving well. Player health > losing later in the playoffs.

I hope the Lakers lose this game. Just stop doing **** like this. Not worth it, not your year.

EDIT: There he goes. Good.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2021, 11:02:18 PM
Who's idea was it for AD to play with a groin strain 2-3 days later?
Is he looking for a more serious injury just because the season is on the line?

He certainly shouldn't have been trying too hard to defend, but really there's no way he was ready to come back yet... 1-2 weeks minimum for a groin strain right?

I wonder if LBJ convinced him to get out there on the floor or join the garbage bin as he gets traded for Giannis or Zion or something. LOL
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Post by: Adrock on June 03, 2021, 11:08:13 PM
Who's idea was it for AD to play with a groin strain 2-3 days later?
Is he looking for a more serious injury just because the season is on the line?
1. Anthony Davis. The medical staff cleared him, stating he couldn’t make it worse.

2. Apparently, it isn’t the type of injury you can aggravate more than it already is. I’m not a doctor. I guess it isn’t connected to anything that can lead to a worse injury like how a calf strain can lead to an achilles tear.

EDIT: Davis is questionable to return. I’m surprised he isn’t ruled out.
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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2021, 12:51:09 AM
Alex Caruso is ruled out with an ankle sprain. Another Lakers injury is about right.

If LeBron made that three pointer at the end of the third quarter, I would have been a believer.
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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2021, 01:12:08 AM
And that's a wrap. See you next season, fellas.
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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2021, 01:48:32 AM
One more thing. Enjoy this Tweet (https://twitter.com/ballfade_/status/1400663065151131648).
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
One more thing. Enjoy this Tweet (https://twitter.com/ballfade_/status/1400663065151131648).

Gave me chills 🤣

Now we just need the Mavs to finish the Clips, and we will be on to our lowest rated playoff in probably the last decade. Adam Silver must be sweating 🤣🤣🤣

That Nets v Bucks conference final gonna be lit though.
That Jazz v Suns conference final gonna be fun too

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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2021, 03:38:51 PM
Now we just need the Mavs to finish the Clips, and we will be on to our lowest rated playoff in probably the last decade. Adam Silver must be sweating 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like I’m missing the joke here. Why do we want low ratings/why does this matter? Did Adam Silver take someone’s mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never called her again? There are very specific reasons I’ll root against a team that normally do not carry over from season to season (e.g. Cavs 2015-2018 because #fuckDanGilbert), but the league itself? As professional basketball fans, shouldn’t we want the league to thrive?

We all have our teams we arbitrarily follow, but none of us have any real stakes in those teams, right? We don’t own stock or anything. Personally, I don’t care that much who’s in the Finals. For the season, they’re the best two teams so that’s the basketball I’m going to watch.
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Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
Now we just need the Mavs to finish the Clips, and we will be on to our lowest rated playoff in probably the last decade. Adam Silver must be sweating 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like I’m missing the joke here. Why do we want low ratings/why does this matter? Did Adam Silver take someone’s mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never called her again? There are very specific reasons I’ll root against a team that normally do not carry over from season to season (e.g. Cavs 2015-2018 because #fuckDanGilbert), but the league itself? As professional basketball fans, shouldn’t we want the league to thrive?

We all have our teams we arbitrarily follow, but none of us have any real stakes in those teams, right? We don’t own stock or anything. Personally, I don’t care that much who’s in the Finals. For the season, they’re the best two teams so that’s the basketball I’m going to watch.

Can't speak for Black since he's a Warriors fan, but I can tell you that fans of Small Market teams (like myself and some friends of mine that are Pelicans fans) generally have disdain for the League Leadership. The League historically does not support small market teams, making it harder for us to acquire AND keep big name talent and to get national exposure on TV. This isn't specific to Silver. It's been an issue since at least the Jordan years.

For reasons I may go into at a later time when I'm not on a phone, let's just say that there's a reason Jazz fans are known for being so vocal and passionate about our team, so when we feel the team gets disrespected, we tend to take it somewhat personally.

The joke about Adam Silver is that just about the only teams left are our teams, the ones the League has so much indifference/borderline disdain for. The League has no choice but to give a **** about us now.

I imagine anyone playing the Nets going forward is going to be playing 5 on 8, since they will be the only Big Market team left after tonight.
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Post by: Adrock on June 04, 2021, 05:32:16 PM
The League historically does not support small market teams, making it harder for us to acquire AND keep big name talent and to get national exposure on TV. This isn't specific to Silver. It's been an issue since at least the Jordan years.
Okay, but how? Every team is under the same CBA rules. And I’ll have to look up specifics, but I believe most new CBAs introduce more rules that help small market teams such as the more punitive tiered luxury tax (used to be $1 to $1), the supermax etc.

The last ridiculous thing I heard small market teams complaining about was after Blake Griffin was bought out. They floated the idea of more compensation when buying out players which is fucking absurd. Y’all signed or traded for these players, notably don’t have to buy anybody out, and only do so because the player gives back money. Griffin, for example, gave up like $13 million. They already got something back. Just seems to me that some of these small market teams don’t want to take responsibility for being **** at running a professional sports organization.

It behooves the league to build up small market teams. Ideally, it’d have every market just raking in cash hand over fist. The league just wants more people watching wherever they can. This goes back to something I mentioned a few pages back:
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Owning a professional sports team is a privilege, and if you’re going to run it poorly, maybe you shouldn’t own one.
I look at new Jazz owner, Ryan Smith. He certainly sounds like he’s going to do whatever it takes to keep the team competitive. That’s what talent wants to see. That’s what will keep them in those markets in many cases. In others, sometimes the players just want to play for their hometown (e.g. Kawhi).

And as for national exposure on TV, don’t the networks choose those games? They pay the league for the rights to broadcast the games and hopefully make back what was spent on advertising. I guess the league could pressure ESPN and TNT to show more Magic or Timberwolves games, but it’d likely have to give something back like maybe the networks get a discount to broadcast those games because they won’t make as much on advertising.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 04, 2021, 05:55:19 PM
I'm a firm believer in the NBA Draft being rigged, and I think both times New Orleans got the #1 pick, there was a concerted effort to get a star to New Orleans to keep a team there for reasons.

I say that to say that I think the NBA knows what it's doing when trying to grow "the brand".  But I don't think they've done a good job with these young stars.  I refer back to the jokes people made re:Jazz/Grizzlies, but that ended up having some of the best games of this round.  And Dame forced two overtimes from NBA TV (not that he's particularly young, but you know).

I think the NBA might have more leverage in TV negotiations than you give them credit for, and it's possible they're just not pushing to have certain matchups on prime time TV the way the could.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 04, 2021, 06:15:42 PM
It's not just an NBA thing, if you look at the national broadcast schedule in every sports league there's usually a handful of teams that show up way more often than the rest. The networks think certain teams get more viewership, so they prioritize those, even though that can kind of become sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
The League historically does not support small market teams, making it harder for us to acquire AND keep big name talent and to get national exposure on TV. This isn't specific to Silver. It's been an issue since at least the Jordan years.
Okay, but how? Every team is under the same CBA rules. And I’ll have to look up specifics, but I believe most new CBAs introduce more rules that help small market teams such as the more punitive tiered luxury tax (used to be $1 to $1), the supermax etc.

The basic problem with the current CBA is that it strongly empowers players to the extent that it's very difficult for small market teams to pay high talent players while keeping the rest of the team competitive in regards to the salary cap. Players can also just refuse to play and demand trades to big market teams now, as was recently the case with Anthony Davis and James Harden.

As for the Supermax contracts...they may have been intended to help small market teams, but they certainly have their issues.

https://www.insider.com/have-nba-supermax-contracts-giannis-worked-2020-12 (https://www.insider.com/have-nba-supermax-contracts-giannis-worked-2020-12)

The league does not promote small market teams. Hell, it seems to barely even acknowledge them at times, as seen in this year's playoffs where the league had every team on TNT & ESPN for the first few games, and then small market teams got pushed onto NBA TV. There is an active push in the media for big name players on small market teams to abandon them for big market teams (especially so-called "Super Teams" like the current Nets), and the league does nothing to push against that or to prevent trades that will severely unbalance the league.

And yes, saying the Draft and Officiating are suspect at best at times is putting it lightly. The term "Superstar calls" exists for a reason.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2021, 08:12:02 PM
Now we just need the Mavs to finish the Clips, and we will be on to our lowest rated playoff in probably the last decade. Adam Silver must be sweating 🤣🤣🤣
I feel like I’m missing the joke here. Why do we want low ratings/why does this matter? Did Adam Silver take someone’s mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never called her again?

The only teams I'm still rooting against that's left in the playoff are the Clips and the Nets.
Everyone else, I'm happy to see shine, and looking forward to seeing who comes out on top, especially if it's at the expense of The Nets.
Looking at Suns or Jazz v the Bucks... that would be ideal.

as for the low rating joke and Adam Silver... I think it was covered sufficiently already, but the league thrives on the TV contracts, and if the only team left (after tonight) that gets a national tv buy for regular ass games is the Nets, then the networks may be nervous about getting their money back in viewership which may affect the next round of negotiations... therefore Adam Silver must be sweating knowing that the golden ticket Lakers are out in the first round.... the Warriors got Play'd-out in the Play-in (as I'm sure wasn't expected*), the Knicks blipped into the wrong reality for a brief moment (and then snapped back out), the Clips about to join the Lakergirls in having no one to root for this off-season, and all that's left are the Nets.

This is the first play-off in over a decade that will not have Steph and/or Lebron in finals.
and * Warriors season ending run, if I read correctly, was the highest TV draw for the whole season so far. For Adam Silver... this isn't going as planned.
For me, I like the drama, and even though I would have loved to see Steph's run continue, I have no doubt Warriors would've got bounced in the first round regardless of if it was Suns or Jazz.

I'm hoping the smaller markets get their spotlight, but there's no doubt viewership will be down as almost all the larger market teams have already been eliminated. So unless something crazy is happening, like Dame going into double OT, most people are passively watching at best.

Everyone loves to "hate" watch Lebron in hopes he loses, and everyone loves to watch Steph just make crazy shots. you have them both in playoffs and that equals guaranteed ratings.
We eliminate them and you lose alot of the passive watchers and the big market fans too. that's just the reality.
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Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2021, 11:44:15 PM
Well, we have our first 7 game series, as the Mavs-Clippers series continues to get more pathetic with each passing day. Neither team has won on their own home court.

Meanwhile, the Jazz will get an extra few days or rest, so I can't complain there. Apparently, Mike Conley really needed that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2021, 11:52:00 PM
I was just coming in here to say that the Clips are taking it back to LA to lose infront of the home crowd.

Neither of these teams go the distance. It's not even a matchup thing as some would expect, I just think neither team has that killer instinct to get it done.
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Post by: broodwars on June 04, 2021, 11:58:31 PM
I was just coming in here to say that the Clips are taking it back to LA to lose infront of the home crowd.

Neither of these teams go the distance. It's not even a matchup thing as some would expect, I just think neither team has that killer instinct to get it done.

What home crowd in LA? From what I saw in Game 5, the Clippers have so few fans that they had to place cardboard cutouts in the Staples Center stands to make the Clippers feel better.  ;)

(Yes, I know why those are actually there, but I find it amusing that those cutouts weren't in the stands in last night's Lakers game)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2021, 12:36:42 AM
I was just coming in here to say that the Clips are taking it back to LA to lose infront of the home crowd.

Neither of these teams go the distance. It's not even a matchup thing as some would expect, I just think neither team has that killer instinct to get it done.

What home crowd in LA? From what I saw in Game 5, the Clippers have so few fans that they had to place cardboard cutouts in the Staples Center stands to make the Clippers feel better.  ;)

(Yes, I know why those are actually there, but I find it amusing that those cutouts weren't in the stands in last night's Lakers game)

(https://i.imgur.com/PONFbpk.png)

apparently crowd was the wrong word. LOL

the Home gathering of friends and family....?
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Post by: nickmitch on June 05, 2021, 09:25:55 AM
It's not just an NBA thing, if you look at the national broadcast schedule in every sports league there's usually a handful of teams that show up way more often than the rest. The networks think certain teams get more viewership, so they prioritize those, even though that can kind of become sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The NFL pisses me off with that to an extreme degree. Cowboys and Steelers can freaking lead the league in prime time games after failing to make the playoffs in the previous season some years. It’s wild.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 05, 2021, 03:57:36 PM
Bucks v Nets Game 1  (today at 4:30 - in 3.5 hrs)

PLACE YOUR BETS!!!

Bucks v Nets Series Winner (and in how many games?)

PLACE YOUR BETS!!!
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Post by: broodwars on June 05, 2021, 05:32:09 PM
Bucks v Nets Game 1  (today at 4:30 - in 3.5 hrs)

PLACE YOUR BETS!!!

Bucks v Nets Series Winner (and in how many games?)

PLACE YOUR BETS!!!

Hmm...I think the Bucks give the Nets a bloody nose tonight and take Game 1.

As for the series...I think it goes at least 6 games, and probably ends in a Nets victory but I hope to see the Bucks win it.
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Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2021, 08:10:40 PM
Before I reply to everyone, I feel like there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how the NBA works. At the risk of sounding like a well-actually, let's clarify a few things:
I'm a firm believer in the NBA Draft being rigged, and I think both times New Orleans got the #1 pick, there was a concerted effort to get a star to New Orleans to keep a team there for reasons.
I respectfully disagree. The drawing process of the lottery machine with the ping pong balls in the NBA draft is very transparent. Last year notwithstanding due to the pandemic, league officials, representatives from each team, several members of the media, and members of accounting firm Ernst and Young are physically in attendance for the drawing. To believe the draft is rigged, you'd also have to believe every single person in that room is in on this conspiracy. That doesn't track for several reasons. First and foremost, why would any team agree to give up the top pick to another team?
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I think the NBA might have more leverage in TV negotiations than you give them credit for, and it's possible they're just not pushing to have certain matchups on prime time TV the way the could.
In what way? The league partners with the networks but doesn't have any authority over what the networks broadcast that isn't included in contracts. Also, those contracts are reviewed/approved by the teams themselves. There are likely stipulations on the kinds of advertisements the NBA allows networks to accept. That's neutral enough to not ruffle any feathers with team Governors. However, Adam Silver can't simply write in a stipulation to show more Timberwolves games without 29 other teams independently yelling "WTF is this, man?"

The basic problem with the current CBA is that it strongly empowers players to the extent that it's very difficult for small market teams to pay high talent players while keeping the rest of the team competitive in regards to the salary cap. Players can also just refuse to play and demand trades to big market teams now, as was recently the case with Anthony Davis and James Harden.
Okay, but you're aware that the team Governors have to sign off on the CBA, right? Again, 21 is the magic number, and there are more small/mid market teams than large market teams. New rules that help small market teams are introduced by, surprise, small market teams primarily as well as the Commissioner whose job it is to help them. Fans of struggling small market teams want to pass the buck on the league, but keep in mind, the league has very little authority and teams must approve everything. How is "the basic problem with the current CBA" anybody's fault but small market teams who have accepted the terms of the CBA in writing?

As for the bolded part, I'm tired of explaining to you why this is demonstrably false. Keep running with that narrative if it makes you feel better.
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As for the Supermax contracts...they may have been intended to help small market teams, but they certainly have their issues.
Again, teams voted and signed off on this. That was their idea so back to the drawing board, I guess.
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The league does not promote small market teams. Hell, it seems to barely even acknowledge them at times, as seen in this year's playoffs where the league had every team on TNT & ESPN for the first few games, and then small market teams got pushed onto NBA TV. There is an active push in the media for big name players on small market teams to abandon them for big market teams (especially so-called "Super Teams" like the current Nets), and the league does nothing to push against that or to prevent trades that will severely unbalance the league.
I don't think you understand how this works. I covered this above so I don't want to repeat myself.

As for the bolded part, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. Preventing trades is 100% completely outside of the Commissioner's/league's abilities. If Team A wants to make a **** trade with Team B, Silver cannot do anything unless one or both of them breaks any CBA rules (i.e. the salaries don't match). He can't even advise for/against it; he can't take sides because once again, he works for the Governors of both teams.

as for the low rating joke and Adam Silver... I think it was covered sufficiently already, but the league thrives on the TV contracts, and if the only team left (after tonight) that gets a national tv buy for regular ass games is the Nets, then the networks may be nervous about getting their money back in viewership which may affect the next round of negotiations... therefore Adam Silver must be sweating knowing that the golden ticket Lakers are out in the first round.... the Warriors got Play'd-out in the Play-in (as I'm sure wasn't expected*), the Knicks blipped into the wrong reality for a brief moment (and then snapped back out), the Clips about to join the Lakergirls in having no one to root for this off-season, and all that's left are the Nets.
Alright, so I didn't get the joke because the above overstates a lot of things and no offense, isn't entirely true. Adam Silver does care about ratings, revenue etc. because he's chief executive of the NBA. Is he sweating if small market teams make it to the NBA Finals? I can't imagine he is even a little bit.

First, the NBA is the second largest professional sports league in the United States, and it's been growing domestically and abroad. The league's standing and popularity is not worrisome. The current national television contract with ESPN, TNT, and ABC is for $2.7 billion per year. The previous contract was signed in 2007, notably after the lowest rated NBA Finals (Cavs vs. Spurs, two small market teams) and still saw a 22% increase per year ($765 million to $930 million). Obviously, everyone (league, teams, players etc.) wants the largest increase possible because that means raises across the board, but if a previous contract still increased in far less than ideal conditions, I don't think there's much to sweat about. Sound the alarm if all networks draw a line in the sand and firmly offer less than the current rate. How likely is that to happen though?

Second, the team Governors unanimously voted to appoint Adam Silver as Commissioner in 2014 then voted to retain him as Commissioner in 2018. If ratings dip because small market teams made it to the Finals, what argument would there be against retaining Silver in 2023? "Oh no, our teams succeeded!" His job is not in jeopardy. Again, not much to sweat about.

Third, it benefits everyone if small market teams succeed, and the uptick in fans would primarily start in those markets because they start seeing and hearing more about the teams locally. A frightening amount of fans like to perpetuate this narrative that the league/Commissioner doesn't care about small market teams when that couldn't be further from the truth. They can't admit that their team sucks, the people running the team suck, the (likely) billionaire who owns the team and treats it like a hobby instead of a business is too cheap to fucking fix anything or take responsibility for their failings, choosing instead to whine to the league/Commissioner to do something even though any proposal still has to go through the process of getting approved by the other teams. There is a wealth of widely available information but these fans are too ignorant to read any of it, like to pout about **** they don't understand yet won't educate themselves about, and will blatantly disregard facts when presented to them. And yes, I am aware that this was a colossal waste of my time.
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Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2021, 08:27:04 PM
Looks like James Harden faked another hamstring injury and has been ruled out for the rest of the game. What a lazy **** for load managing in the middle of the playoffs.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 05, 2021, 09:34:13 PM
I'm a firm believer in the NBA Draft being rigged, and I think both times New Orleans got the #1 pick, there was a concerted effort to get a star to New Orleans to keep a team there for reasons.
I respectfully disagree. The drawing process of the lottery machine with the ping pong balls in the NBA draft is very transparent. Last year notwithstanding due to the pandemic, league officials, representatives from each team, several members of the media, and members of accounting firm Ernst and Young are physically in attendance for the drawing. To believe the draft is rigged, you'd also have to believe every single person in that room is in on this conspiracy. That doesn't track for several reasons. First and foremost, why would any team agree to give up the top pick to another team?

For New Orleans specifically, there were times when the team was basically gonna fold if something didn't happen.  I also think team owners like keeping New Orleans in the all-star game rotation for reasons.  As to why teams might agree to this, I think it's because those decisions can occasionally be seen as "what's best for the league" and extending grace to other teams can always come back around to them.

But the drawing itself is done in private, and even with and EY auditor there, the possibility of rigging still exists.  The EY partner isn't exactly signing an opinion on it.  Plus, there's the time the 76ers winning the first pick got leaked ahead of schedule or Magic Johnson ("allegedly") promising a top 3 pick for the Lakers before they actually received the #2 pick.
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Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2021, 10:32:38 PM
No offense, but this is next level tin foil hatting.

The NBA isn't a charity. Teams are in direct competition with each other all the time. The Knicks were licking their lips over the prospect of drafting Zion Williamson for a year, and you think they'd quietly hand over the pick to the Pelicans? Come on, man. If anything, what would have been "best for the league" at least from a ratings and revenue perspective would be for Williamson to be the face of the Knicks.

The drawing is private, but there are witnesses who have no stake in who wins the lottery. Also, do you want that televised? I guess it could replace the dais. I don't even watch that; I just wait for the list afterward. Personally, I don't think the actual lottery procedure would make for compelling television.

I'm not familiar with the 76ers thing. Magic Johnson was not employed by the Lakers during the three years they drafted second thus him promising a top three pick carries no weight and likely has more to do with the fact that the Lakers were a dumpster fire during those years. Also, have you ever looked at Johnson's Twitter? It's a mess. One would think he's shitposting except he's completely serious. A few pages back, I was complaining about Mark Jackson's commentary. Magic Johnson's feed is that in Tweet form.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2021, 10:08:10 AM
I think you missed the point of a joke....  regardless of the facts of what's going on or how it works, the joke was that Adam Silver, the corporate face of the NBA is sweating because his big ticket in viewership teams have mostly been exited from the playoffs.

I appreciate the deep dive into the details of how everything works, but it wasn't needed to address a joke about potential viewership and network favortism. It was some interesting info... still doesn't take away from the joke though.


switching topics though... I meant to drop my vote tonight, and it completely contradicts my hopes for the outcome. But I was gonna predict Nets for game 1.... and then James Harden went out with a hamstring injury...  I thought if the Bucks were gonna steal home court, this was the time.
I really want Giannis to take this series... but I'm just not so sure, the Nets are potentially too much to handle, but not impossible to get by if you can shut down their role players and make the stars work extra hard for it.
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Post by: broodwars on June 06, 2021, 05:44:01 PM
Well, looks like the Luca Doncic show (and no one else) wasn't enough to take out the Clippers, so now it's up to the Jazz. I hope they're ready.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2021, 06:36:16 PM
Someone get Dončić some help.

Sixers lost too. They’re my forever second team because I’m from Philly. I should stop liking teams.

If not the Sixers, part of me kind of wants the Nets to win the title this year for the salt. I don’t want to support James Garden’s style of basketball though.

I feel like the Jazz should lose in the Finals like Goku lost to Master Roshi/Jackie Chun in the 21st World Martial Arts Tournament only to use the loss as motivation to train harder than ever. All future basketball analysis will use Dragon Ball comparisons.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 06, 2021, 07:28:50 PM
No offense, but this is next level tin foil hatting.

The NBA isn't a charity. Teams are in direct competition with each other all the time. The Knicks were licking their lips over the prospect of drafting Zion Williamson for a year, and you think they'd quietly hand over the pick to the Pelicans? Come on, man. If anything, what would have been "best for the league" at least from a ratings and revenue perspective would be for Williamson to be the face of the Knicks.

The drawing is private, but there are witnesses who have no stake in who wins the lottery. Also, do you want that televised? I guess it could replace the dais. I don't even watch that; I just wait for the list afterward. Personally, I don't think the actual lottery procedure would make for compelling television.

I'm not familiar with the 76ers thing. Magic Johnson was not employed by the Lakers during the three years they drafted second thus him promising a top three pick carries no weight and likely has more to do with the fact that the Lakers were a dumpster fire during those years. Also, have you ever looked at Johnson's Twitter? It's a mess. One would think he's shitposting except he's completely serious. A few pages back, I was complaining about Mark Jackson's commentary. Magic Johnson's feed is that in Tweet form.

No offense taken.  As with all conspiracy theories, you gotta get a little tinfoil hatty.

To me, the timing of New Orleans winning those drafts was really, really lucky and couldn't have come at better times for the team.  Same year the team is bought from the league, and traded away Chris Paul, Hornets get the number one pick and draft AD.  AD demands out, NO gets #1 pick, AD gets traded in summer.

But with the lottery being in private it at least lends to the possibility of rigging, despite witnesses.  And no, I wouldn't want that televised.  I certainly wouldn't watch it.  They would have to de-complicate the process to make it watchable.

The Magic Johnson thing happened when he was President of the Lakers in 2017, so it at least jives with him having some sort of relationship (a fake job he didn't actually want) with the team.

Plus, there's D-Rose going to Chicago with their 1.6% odds.

I can't really explain why every team would go with it every year.  The best I can come up with is that the goodwill can come back around eventually.
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Post by: Adrock on June 06, 2021, 07:55:53 PM
You’re right. I got the timing wrong. I forgot Jeanie Buss fired her brother in February, not when the season ended. The Lakers had the third worst record in the league that year. Predicting a top three pick when you explicitly have good odds of getting a top three pick is exactly the type of not-shitposting-shitposting I expect from Johnson. “Good win by the Hawks who scored more points than the Sixers! Trae Young’s 35 helped his team!”

Anyway, the chance that a team with lower odds can still win the lottery is the entire point of the lottery. Teams have been tanking for better odds for decades. I can’t even imagine how bad it would be if draft order for non-playoff teams was by record.
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Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2021, 03:45:52 PM
 Utah Jazz rule PG Mike Conley out for Game 1 vs. LA Clippers with hamstring strain (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31590931/utah-jazz-rule-pg-mike-conley-game-1-vs-la-clippers-hamstring-strain)

(https://i.ibb.co/vxGQfFV/63320-AD8-9727-4-A6-C-8200-3-F42655631-F2.gif)

Looks like James Harden Mike Conley faked another hamstring injury and has been ruled out for the rest of the game Game 1. What a lazy **** for load managing in the middle of the playoffs.
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Post by: broodwars on June 08, 2021, 05:54:19 PM
Utah Jazz rule PG Mike Conley out for Game 1 vs. LA Clippers with hamstring strain (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31590931/utah-jazz-rule-pg-mike-conley-game-1-vs-la-clippers-hamstring-strain)

(https://i.ibb.co/vxGQfFV/63320-AD8-9727-4-A6-C-8200-3-F42655631-F2.gif)

Looks like James Harden Mike Conley faked another hamstring injury and has been ruled out for the rest of the game Game 1. What a lazy **** for load managing in the middle of the playoffs.

Unfortunate, but sadly this has been expected for the last few days. I swear, Mike Conley is nearly as injury prone as the Corpse of Dante Exum.

Well, hopefully the rest of the Jazz bring it tonight. It would really suck to lose 2 playoffs in a row because one of our best players was injured.
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Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2021, 08:31:53 PM
TIL: The NBA gave fans a single cumulative vote for MVP. They used it on Derrick Rose.

If anything, I’m surprised the vote didn’t go to Hoopy McHoopface.

(BTW, Nikola Jokic won MVP)
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Post by: broodwars on June 08, 2021, 10:37:04 PM
Looks like I might as well cancel my Sling streaming subscription. Tonight's Jazz-Clippers game is just completely unwatchable, with constant buffering and horrendous resolution. It could be an issue with Sling. Doubt it's an issue with my internet, as everything else is working fine. It could be all the goddamn LA viewers clogging up the stream. I'm just going to have to check the score later, because this is unwatchable.
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Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2021, 12:57:37 AM
Well, thought I'd try the stream again once last time before I went to bed. It was working for the 4th quarter.

The Jazz were playing just a little bit better than they were when the stream failed in the 1st quarter.  :P

Donovan Mitchell is a sight to behold.
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Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2021, 01:18:15 AM
I didn’t get to watch the games. I was checking the box score and was irrationally upset with the Jazz’s first quarter performance. As for the final result, just imagine I edited the Sickos meme again.

Regarding the Sixers game, three-peat Danny Green dream is still alive.
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Post by: Adrock on June 09, 2021, 02:01:16 AM
I saw the final play of Jazz vs. Clippers on The YouTube. Woof. Why the heck would they pass to the corner? Y’all are going to force Marcus Morris to be the hero and facilitated that by *checks notes* trapping him between Rudy Gobert, the last person you want defending the ball in this situation, and the baseline? Gobert’s deficiency at guarding on the perimeter is nullified by the fact that the Clippers need a three-pointer to tie (and Morris isn’t quick anyway). He just needed to be tall out there and pressure the ball. Not that I’m upset with the result; it’s just a little baffling. Morris should have passed it back out as I’d rather have Leonard shoot over Ingles. I guess in the heat of the moment, he felt there wasn’t enough time (there was).
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Post by: broodwars on June 09, 2021, 07:09:31 AM
I saw the final play of Jazz vs. Clippers on The YouTube. Woof. Why the heck would they pass to the corner? Y’all are going to force Marcus Morris to be the hero and facilitated that by *checks notes* trapping him between Rudy Gobert, the last person you want defending the ball in this situation, and the baseline? Gobert’s deficiency at guarding on the perimeter is nullified by the fact that the Clippers need a three-pointer to tie (and Morris isn’t quick anyway). He just needed to be tall out there and pressure the ball. Not that I’m upset with the result; it’s just a little baffling. Morris should have passed it back out as I’d rather have Leonard shoot over Ingles. I guess in the heat of the moment, he felt there wasn’t enough time (there was).

Well, I'll remind you that they tried the same play back at the end of Clippers-Mavs Game 5, and it ended pretty much the same way. The Clippers aren't known for their playmaking ability, or for being a successful team in general. I think the entire internet was stunned that the Clippers coach didn't call a time out when they caught that rebound off Mitchell's last shot, instead choosing to rush the ball up, where the Jazz defenders were already waiting.

The game shouldn't have been that close to begin with, but the refs awarded the Clippers an out of bounds that bounced off one of their players that led to a 3 pointer in the final minutes.
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Post by: Adrock on June 11, 2021, 01:03:21 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/7gVn8mw/08-FA2-B35-2851-4-B67-9899-C25-A05-F2-C9-C3.png)
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Post by: broodwars on June 11, 2021, 01:08:35 AM
Frustrating one tonight as the Jazz defeated the Clippers 117-111, as well as a very foreboding one in many ways. I have a really bad feeling about Donovan Mitchell & Bojan Bogdanovic's health coming out of this game. Donovan seemed to tweak his ankle once starting a drive, and Paul George tripped him hard right at the end of the game. Donovan's shot looked flat ever since the former and he looked noticeably in pain the rest of the game. Bojan landed on a defender's foot following a shot, and had been nursing his ankle ever since.

Video of the Paul George foul on Mitchell at the end of the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMbTh6PdAr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMbTh6PdAr0)

Beyond the health situation, it's disturbing how easily the Jazz blew a 21 point lead once the Clippers threw up a Zone and started double-teaming Mitchell (who was pretty much a non-factor the entire 2nd half). It's baffling to me how a Zone worked when the Jazz are one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the league, but there you go. Thankfully, Ingles; Bogdanovic; and Clarkson stepped up tonight, particularly on Defense.

I suspect that after what happened in this game, Conley's coming back for Game 3. If we can win one in LA, this series is over.
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Post by: Adrock on June 13, 2021, 10:12:11 PM
2021 NBA MVP Nikola Jokić was ejected in the third quarter of an elimination game. May we finally put to rest the bad and stale “Silver put the call in” joke. Never in a million years would the league MVP get tossed in a winnable elimination game for a Flagrant Foul of all things in a rigged league.

The Suns were already ahead of the Jazz/Clippers series in terms of games played and now they might have like a week off. I think the NBA likes to start the conference finals around the same time which might give the Suns even more days off because the Nets lost so that series is now tied (even if the Sixers advance, everyone would have to wait for Nets/Bucks to finish). All that down time can hurt teams. You have to hope you shake off the rust early in Game 1.

EDIT 1: Right now, Suns vs. Nuggets is a six point game with like 3:30 to go.

EDIT 2: Suns advance.

I need the Jazz to take care of business. Suns vs. Jazz would be a good series. Hopefully, Donovan Mitchell’s ankle is fine (seems like he’ll play in Game 4) and Mike Conley returns soon.
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Post by: Adrock on June 14, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Hello, friends. Please take a moment to listen to this song I wrote:

🎶 GET DONOVAN MITCHELL OUT OF THIS GAME BEFORE HE HURTS HIMSELF. ****. 🎵

Thank you.

Also, WTF was that last possession, Sixers?

Is this the darkest timeline?
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Post by: broodwars on June 14, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
Long day, so went to bed early. Woke up to see the score and that Mike Conley's still out, so he's injured far more seriously than the Jazz management have let on. The Jazz's season is over. Even if we did somehow get past the Clippers with as terribly as this team has played, we'd get swept by the Suns with the way THEY are playing. Time to blow up the team and rebuild around Donovan and a few key pieces. The bare minimum this year was getting to the Finals, and they're falling apart in the Semis.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 14, 2021, 11:35:54 PM
I went to the Bay to watch the end of the Hawks, and watch the Jazz ... I left at halftime. And honestly, if it wasn't for the bar tender, I would've left after the 1st Qtr.

That poster dunk by Kawhi tho 🤯
Edit: https://www.instagram.com/p/CQIDVSarHlI/?utm_medium=copy_link
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2021, 10:24:26 AM
The Jazz's season is over. Even if we did somehow get past the Clippers with as terribly as this team has played, we'd get swept by the Suns with the way THEY are playing.
Sources: LA Clippers' Kawhi Leonard could miss rest of series with knee injury (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31644076/sources-la-clippers-kawhi-leonard-miss-rest-series-knee-injury) (Expected to miss Game 5)

(https://i.imgur.com/cAe6fRB.gif)

Phoenix Suns' Chris Paul out indefinitely, placed in NBA health and safety protocols (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31644110/phoenix-suns-chris-paul-indefinitely-placed-nba-health-safety-protocols)

(https://i.imgur.com/SC7bALf.gif)

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Time to blow up the team and rebuild around Donovan and a few key pieces. The bare minimum this year was getting to the Finals, and they're falling apart in the Semis.
I was going to tell you to settle down the other night (frustrating loss, I get it). If the Jazz can't get past the Clippers without Leonard and the Suns without Paul, banned from the league until they get their act together.

Semi-related: I know I'm on an island on this, and it doesn't bother others as much as it bothers me. If the Jazz advance, I really don't want to hear any if-Kawhi-Leonard-didn't-injure-his-knee-the-Clippers-would-have-won nonsense. Mike Conley will probably miss the entire series. Donovan Mitchell came back from injury in the first round then re-aggravated it in Game 3 of this round. Every team deals with injuries. Suck it up.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 16, 2021, 11:21:37 AM
WTF CP3!!?

This was his year. His best shot so far. Suns absolutely on fire and everyone else dealing with injuries.... Just had to self sabotage instead of getting injured....
I guess we wait and see how long he's out for, but I need the best possible team to beat the Nets in the Finals.

Durant put on a show in the second half yesterday, which I mostly missed (only watched the first half), and I'm surprised because I wasn't sure if he could lead and create for the entire team, but he pulled it off.
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2021, 01:45:07 PM
Per Shams Charania,  Clippers fear All-NBA star Kawhi Leonard has suffered an ACL injury (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1405205626180059143?)

Yikes. Here’s the play where it happened. (https://youtu.be/-FvTEUvdLWI)

As for the best possible team to beat the Nets, I would have said the Suns only because the Jazz are banged up. Losing Paul changes that. If Irving remains out and Harden is primarily on the floor for moral support, I think the Sixers have a shot. Cursed season is cursed. Seems like the team that can drag itself across the finish line will be champion.

EDIT: A few days ago, Mark Cuban called BS on reports that Mavericks executives fear Luka Dončić will ultimately leave due to a "growing rift with the front office." Today, the Mavericks cleaned house. Doesn't sound like bullshit, Mark.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2021, 06:11:56 PM
The Jazz's season is over. Even if we did somehow get past the Clippers with as terribly as this team has played, we'd get swept by the Suns with the way THEY are playing.
Sources: LA Clippers' Kawhi Leonard could miss rest of series with knee injury (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31644076/sources-la-clippers-kawhi-leonard-miss-rest-series-knee-injury) (Expected to miss Game 5)

(https://i.imgur.com/cAe6fRB.gif)

Phoenix Suns' Chris Paul out indefinitely, placed in NBA health and safety protocols (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31644110/phoenix-suns-chris-paul-indefinitely-placed-nba-health-safety-protocols)

(https://i.imgur.com/SC7bALf.gif)

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Time to blow up the team and rebuild around Donovan and a few key pieces. The bare minimum this year was getting to the Finals, and they're falling apart in the Semis.
I was going to tell you to settle down the other night (frustrating loss, I get it). If the Jazz can't get past the Clippers without Leonard and the Suns without Paul, banned from the league until they get their act together.

Semi-related: I know I'm on an island on this, and it doesn't bother others as much as it bothers me. If the Jazz advance, I really don't want to hear any if-Kawhi-Leonard-didn't-injure-his-knee-the-Clippers-would-have-won nonsense. Mike Conley will probably miss the entire series. Donovan Mitchell came back from injury in the first round then re-aggravated it in Game 3 of this round. Every team deals with injuries. Suck it up.

Honestly, the piss-poor way the Jazz have been playing this series, I don't think it was out-of-line expecting them to lose after the way they barely won Games 1 & 2 and then got completely blown out in Games 3 & 4, not with Donovan's deteriorating health; the Jazz management's COMPLETE radio silence on Conley's status; and the way Donovan seems to be the only player stepping up this series.

On the one hand, it's sad to see the Clippers possibly lose this series this way, with Leonard injured. As a sports fan, you always want your team to prove they're the best by beating the best at their best. As you also indicated, I don't want to hear all the whining from Clippers fans about how they would have won if they had Leonard. I don't want an asterisk on a potential championship (as many people gave to the Lakers last year), with people saying the Jazz were frauds who got lucky that everyone was injured. There are sports boards I go to that have been calling the Jazz as such for weeks now.

On the other hand, **** the Clippers.  Welcome to the club when it comes to limping your way through the playoffs. Enjoy your stay.

The Chris Paul thing is just inexplicable. The dude is smarter than this, getting himself locked into CoVid Protocol on essentially the Eve of the Western Conference Finals.

On a more joyful note, I highly recommend this video from Youtuber ScooterMagruder. Among other things, he likes to put out videos showing the current status of various sports leagues from the perspectives of the teams' fans. I missed this when he put this out, but here's his video for Round 1 of this year's Playoffs. I think BlackNMild might appreciate the moment where he plays a Warriors fan.  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3QMjDPCNUQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3QMjDPCNUQ)
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Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2021, 06:30:28 PM
So, is it assumed Chris Paul tested positive? The article only mentions that he's in the protocols.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2021, 06:40:02 PM
So, is it assumed Chris Paul tested positive? The article only mentions that he's in the protocols.

No one knows. The team, apparently, isn't going to put out an update on this situation until Saturday. Personally, I think it's ridiculous that no one apparently knows if Chris Paul is vaccinated.

I mean...you'd think that'd be a thing the NBA would have mandated by now, given what happened last season and the very public presence of NBA players.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 16, 2021, 07:27:28 PM
So, is it assumed Chris Paul tested positive? The article only mentions that he's in the protocols.

No one knows. The team, apparently, isn't going to put out an update on this situation until Saturday. Personally, I think it's ridiculous that no one apparently knows if Chris Paul is vaccinated.

I mean...you'd think that'd be a thing the NBA would have mandated by now, given what happened last season and the very public presence of NBA players.
It wasn't readily reported but Paul did get vacinated back in Feb and tested positive on Monday.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2021, 08:13:41 PM
So, is it assumed Chris Paul tested positive? The article only mentions that he's in the protocols.

No one knows. The team, apparently, isn't going to put out an update on this situation until Saturday. Personally, I think it's ridiculous that no one apparently knows if Chris Paul is vaccinated.

I mean...you'd think that'd be a thing the NBA would have mandated by now, given what happened last season and the very public presence of NBA players.
It wasn't readily reported but Paul did get vacinated back in Feb and tested positive on Monday.

Wow, that's just a bad roll for him to still get CoVid despite the vaccination. I know there are multiple strains, but the odds on that have to be pretty incredible.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2021, 10:10:18 PM
Yeah, that's really bad luck if he's vaxxed up.  Hopefully, it means his infection won't last long.
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2021, 10:32:47 PM
So, how about Atlanta coming back from being down 26 to beat Philadelphia by 3 on the road? What a finish.

And Embiid still can't hit a free throw to save his life.
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2021, 10:37:21 PM
1. A nurse friend explained the COVID-19 vaccine to me so I’ll pass along the info. “The vaccine kinda keeps you bubble wrapped and if you do happen to get covid the chances of you requiring hospitalization are minimal.” It only really protects you, meaning you can still get COVID-19 and spread to others, but you most likely won’t die… of COVID-19, not you know *broadly gestures at a cold, uncaring universe indifferent to our survival and full of things that will kill us*

2. The Sixers choked. Another freezing cold take from me. Even if they get through this round, maybe they don’t make it past the Nets.

3. I feel like the Jazz should be up by more points. Maybe the Clippers are having their Braveheart moment. 💁‍♀️
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Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2021, 11:36:16 PM
Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: broodwars on June 16, 2021, 11:58:59 PM
God, I hate Paul George. He's like the second coming of James Harden. Every time he drives, he pushes off on the defending player with his off-hand, and the refs always respond by calling a foul on the defending player. It's Bullshit.

Really not happy with the officiating in general tonight. That Flagrant 1 call on O'Neal was weak.

OK, I'm done watching this trainwreck. The Clippers are just completely out-working the Jazz, and the Jazz have been ice cold and complacent in the 2nd half. This is painful to watch.
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Post by: Adrock on June 17, 2021, 01:05:49 AM
Everyone: I was rooting for you; we were all rooting for you! How dare you?! (https://youtu.be/fIzVCwhHcWc)

The Jazz:
(https://i.ibb.co/3YKmrfV/370-C1688-7985-46-D9-B6-F6-4414-A6469-F60.gif)

Mike Conley:
(https://i.ibb.co/0MNH9jd/6-D7490-F1-A0-BA-4-F4-F-88-CE-C16-FD7-A13607.jpg)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2021, 02:03:01 AM
I had this post typed up before I left, and forgot to hit send.... (around 6pm pst)

People always forget that being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't get and spread COVID, mostly what it's good for is protecting you from getting deathly ill from it.

But hopefully CP3 is good to go in a few days, as the Nets gonna need some competition.

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I don't know how the Clips beat the Jazz tonight. But hopefully they able to keep it up if the Jazz don't want to move on. Suns are waiting.

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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2021, 12:00:03 AM
This game is infuriating. The three pointers were falling in the first half; they aren’t during this Sixers-level collapse. Stop shooting three pointers.

Terance Mann turned into Michael Jordan, apparently.
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2021, 12:17:53 AM
This game is infuriating. The three pointers were falling in the first half; they aren’t during this Sixers-level collapse. Stop shooting three pointers.

Terance Mann turned into Michael Jordan, apparently.

I just can't anymore with this team. We have Conley back, and the Clippers still don't have Leonard. If the Jazz lose this game and series, as they very much deserve to do, I expect this organization is going to get blown up by the new owner. Probably can't do much with the players right now, but I expect Dennis Lindsey has managed his last team, and I would not be surprised to see Quin Snyder gone as head coach.
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2021, 12:30:19 AM
I’m honestly surprised the refs finally called an offensive foul on Pushoff P.

The Jazz took so many L’s in a row this week. After getting “gifted” a Kawhi Leonard injury, they blow both games. Then, John Stockton publicly admitted to being an anti-vaxxer and anti-masker in a conspiracy theory documentary (https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1405727519895076865) due to his “significant amount of research.” *lose horn* (https://youtu.be/9Jz1TjCphXE)

I expect this organization is going to get blown up by the new owner. Probably can't do much with the players right now, but I expect Dennis Lindsey has managed his last team, and I would not be surprised to see Quin Snyder gone as head coach.
Yeah, I expect some significant changes. I hate to see a coach as usually good as Quinn Snyder get fired. He, admittedly, made some seriously questionable decisions in that third quarter. The Clippers went on that massive run and like the only thing Snyder did was sub Donovan Mitchell out. What in the world?? Maybe tell your guys to stop jacking up ill-advised, contested three pointers and drive to the basket once in a while. The Clippers have no interior defense especially with Serge Ibaka out for the season. Then, Rudy Gobert got exposed on the perimeter again. He isn’t used to rotating to the three point line, and the Clippers made him pay over and over and over and over and over…… Gobert wasn’t even stopping people in the paint. Like, why are you even out there, bruh? DPOY, my ass. Draymond Green was robbed.

Mitchell deserved so much better than this. I know you’re mad, and honestly, the more I think about this series and particular this game, I’m mad for you. As a basketball fan, I felt cheated. One of the best defensive teams in the league was like 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ in the second half.

Credit the Clippers for not giving up. For ****’s sake, even Pat Bev was on fire from the arc.
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Post by: broodwars on June 19, 2021, 01:13:09 AM
Well, with the Jazz officially out, I wish the Suns all the best to win the Championship. Maybe this loss will FINALLY convince this fucking organization to get aggressive on...ANYTHING.

Anyone but the Clippers or Nets for the Championship this year.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 19, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
I didn't watch the game, but after checking in prior to the half, I was thinking that just maybe it goes to 7 (they were up by quite a bit when I first checked in)... and then as they came up on the half, Clips cut it to 4 or 5 of something and the announcers were going crazy.

I thought the Jazz were gonna be powerhouses this year... but they fizzled out against a crippled Kawhi-less Clips in an empty LA Stadium. LOL
not sure what happened there, but they can't let Playoff P do that to them, not like that.

I also thought ATL was about to shut down Philly yesterday with a late rally (I wasn't watching, but listening on the radio on and off), but apparently that never happened.

So the East goes to game 7's... who sees the Bucks pulling this off?
Giannis really needs to work on a post up game and a shot, but if Harden is still hobbled, I really can't see Durant carrying a whole team w/o someone someone else also at the very least being a threat and taking some heat off him. He just might play all 48 again tonight, but I don't know if he can pull it off by himself.

The West is settled and WCF starts on Sunday.
What's the word on CP3?
- COVID protocols in effect for how long? did he actually come down with Covid and may miss the entire WCF?

and speaking on Western Conference Finals.... here's an interesting fact!!
Did you know that the Milwaukee Bucks and the Chicago Bulls have more WCF appearances than the LA Clippers!!?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Conference_Finals#Western_Conference_Finals
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Post by: Adrock on June 19, 2021, 02:56:32 PM
1. For the record, last night’s game was the first at Staples Center this season at full capacity.

2. It wasn’t even really Playoff P (though he had a good game). It was a combination of 2019 second round draft pick Terance Mann channeling Steph Curry and dropping 39 points on 7-10 from the arc, and Quin Snyder just flat-out fucking refusing to make any meaningful adjustments in the second half. Tell your guys to stop shooting so many three pointers when they aren’t falling for the love of…………

Then, the Clippers were straight up abusing Rudy Gobert. The Jazz tried switching to zone for a bit. The main problem is they didn’t have any capable perimeter, point of attack defenders. Conley and Mitchell normally can, but both were clearly bothered by injuries. It fell on Gobert except the Clippers played five out, forcing him to either help the POA defender who got beat or stay with his man. Often he wouldn’t even fully commit and was caught between the paint and the corner three point line. I can’t even begin to explain how infuriating that was. Snyder put Gobert on Mann who got so many wide open threes because he was supposed to be the one who can’t shoot except he was like “Nope, I’m cosplaying as Larry Legend tonight.” I know Gobert signed that $200 million contract in the off-season, but Snyder should have pulled Gobert. At least then you’re giving up two points, not open threes.

If the Clippers didn’t shoot so ungodly amazingly, they probably lose that game. Still, try literally anything else, Snyder. Once the Clippers stopped running pick and roll, Gobert was useless out there.

3. Unless Kevin Durant has another other worldly performance and/or Jrue Holiday/Khris Middleton have exceptionally bad performances, I see the Bucks winning Game 7.

4. I believe Chris Paul needs a few negative tests in a row before he can return. The thing is, we don’t know what’s going on with him. Does he have COVID-19? Is he asymptomatic? Paul probably misses Game 1.

The Suns are better equipped to play against the Clippers considering they have no major injuries, better on-ball defenders, and notably a player who can get to the basket whenever the hell he wants. Gobert is a better rim protector than Deandre Ayton right now, but Ayton is more mobile. He won’t get exploited the way Gobert was. It’ll be an interesting series. Without Kawhi Leonard, I don’t see how the Clippers advance though I didn’t think they’d make it past the Jazz so maybe I should, you know, shut the **** up entirely.

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Nets vs. Bucks is awesome. I’m upset I missed the first three quarters. Whomp.

Bucks win on a Kevin Durant air ball in overtime. That feels oddly anti-climactic. The Nets had so many chances but were building houses in Brooklyn. I did kind of want Suns vs. Nets in the Finals for the Chris Paul/James Harden narrative. I guess Clippers vs. Sixers would have the Doc Rivers connection. Obviously, Sixers are who I’m rooting for based on who’s left despite my general dislike for Rivers as a coach. Hopefully, they can get past the Hawks.
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Post by: broodwars on June 20, 2021, 01:45:09 AM
Well, the Jazz didn't make it to the Finals this year, but on the upside...neither will James Harden. **** that guy.

Good on the Bucks for pulling it off against the Superteam, but as I said before I want the Suns to win that Championship if the Jazz couldn't. Suns-Bucks could get interesting.
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Post by: ThePerm on June 20, 2021, 02:58:28 AM
I just want a reason to care about the Suns again.
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Post by: Adrock on June 20, 2021, 05:56:12 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/JpJJMb4/DEB7-C846-8-B63-479-B-97-D0-5-C00-A1-A7-F628.png)

Well, Ben Simmons is getting traded. He tanked his value with his yips at the free throw line and shooting in general so I don’t know who wants him on that contract. An established organization with a strong culture like the Heat or Spurs would probably be best for his career. They won’t baby him like the Sixers did though in Daryl Morey and Doc Rivers’ defense, they walked in on Simmons wearing swimmies. The Sixers would be selling low. They have to do something. Embiid is locked in for two more years with a player option on a third.

Give credit to the Hawks. I don’t think anyone outside of Georgia saw them making the Conference Finals. Still, I’ll be shocked if the Bucks don’t sweep the Hawks. I don’t have a horse in this race. I guess it would be neat-o if the Hawks won it all. I like watching Devin Booker play so maybe the Suns. Who am I kidding? See y’all during free agency.

Enjoy this first though. (https://twitter.com/PALA718/status/1406803530732744704)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 21, 2021, 01:57:49 AM
It's up to the Suns to make the small market finals happen.
 
CP3 better be good by game 3, and hopefully it's no worse than a 1-1 situation by then.
We're pretty sure Kawhi is done for the season, even though we never got confirmation of a torn ACL, so as long as Mann don't go all "The Man" again, I think the Suns can pull this off, especially if CP3 makes it back soon. He's been out close to week so far, right?
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 21, 2021, 09:09:59 PM
Yeah BnM it has been a week since he tested positive Covid-19.   It is looking like Paul is out again today for protocols.
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Post by: Adrock on June 23, 2021, 12:04:28 AM
Holy ****, that ending! No goaltending on an inbound pass. This fourth quarter was so good.

Paul George is about to get wrecked on social media.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2021, 04:54:54 PM
that was a great ending that that game.
that lob at the end was absolutely highlight material.

I feel this series is over if CP3 comes back next game in LA.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 24, 2021, 02:17:54 PM
Holy ****, that ending! No goaltending on an inbound pass. This fourth quarter was so good.

Paul George is about to get wrecked on social media.

The social media slander has been my favorite part of the playoffs. Top-quality tweets abound.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2021, 08:49:25 PM
Holy ****, that ending! No goaltending on an inbound pass. This fourth quarter was so good.

Paul George is about to get wrecked on social media.

The social media slander has been my favorite part of the playoffs. Top-quality tweets abound.

Please post some of your favorites.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 25, 2021, 10:10:24 PM
I didn't save any, but I'll start sharing to the thread.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2021, 10:50:15 PM
I feel like the well has been a little dry last few games (I also have been going to bed early).

https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1409341179934744577?s=20 (https://twitter.com/UltraWeedHater/status/1409341179934744577?s=20)
https://twitter.com/BaylessSklp/status/1408997295241064448?s=20 (https://twitter.com/BaylessSklp/status/1408997295241064448?s=20)
https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/1407073714122989568?s=20 (https://twitter.com/DragonflyJonez/status/1407073714122989568?s=20)
 https://twitter.com/nba_paint/status/1405007856777183234?s=21 (https://twitter.com/nba_paint/status/1405007856777183234?s=21)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 01, 2021, 12:55:50 AM
So, Giannis has no structural damage from his hyper extension, but no telling if he plays tomorrow
Trae Young might still be out with an ankle sprain from stepping on the refs foot....

East coming down to "Survival of the Fittest" and who can recover fastest.

Suns the only team to not have a major player injured?
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Post by: nickmitch on July 01, 2021, 12:13:23 PM
CP3’s case of Covid was the worst of it, I think. Which makes then the lucky ones.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 20, 2021, 11:53:09 PM
So Giannis got his ring. Stepped up BIG TIME.
Cleaned up that free throw issue, and pulled some extra moves out the bag to secure the ring.

Finals MVP indeed.
Congrats!!!!
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Post by: broodwars on July 21, 2021, 04:32:48 AM
Well, it's a shame that the Suns that didn't win their Championship, but congrats to the Bucks for proving a lot of people wrong in a fucking weird year of basketball.
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Post by: nickmitch on July 21, 2021, 04:09:59 PM
Giannis was incredible coming off that injury.  Reports say he went to Chick-fil-A and ordered exactly 50 nuggets.
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Post by: Adrock on September 23, 2021, 09:54:38 PM
No one posted in this thread for two months?

Even I can’t defend Ben Simmons. Go to work, dude. The Sixers did everything they could help him succeed though maybe babied him too much. He no shows in the playoffs and now is refusing to show up to training camp. What is happening? This is like bizarro world or Rand McNally, where they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.

Andrew Wiggins refuses to get vaccinated which means he can’t play any home games for the Warriors as local jurisdiction requires vaccination for large indoor events. He said he won’t get vaccinated unless “forced to”. The Warriors had him speak to an expert and Wiggins was still unmoved. Bruh.

Majority owner of the Warriors, Joe Lacob was fined $50,000 for essentially saying (off the record) they don’t need Ben Simmons and questioning his fit on the roster (in a potential trade). That’s like the opposite of tampering unless they simply can’t talk about other teams’ players entirely in any context.

Apparently, Carlos Boozer is the last Jazz player to record a triple double… back in 2008. Triple doubles aren’t easy per se, but 13 years? What are y’all even doing out there in the Beehive State?

Stephen A. Smith got Max Kellerman booted from First Take.

NBA is in shambles.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2021, 12:49:12 AM
I thought Max Kellerman left First Take to go do coordinated dance videos on TikTok/IG Reels?

and Ben Simmons is gonna find himself broke and out of a job for violation of contract after being fined to death. If he really wanted to show his worth, I agree with what I heard on the radio in that he should have played for his country in the Olympics and display how he CAN shoot, and no longer afraid to show how he developed that part of his game on the court in an In-Game situation.

Wiggins might find himself traded if he can't play home games. **** Around and find yourself Simmons'd soon bro. But something tells me he end up taking it after missing a few home games and getting side-eyed by teammates as he watches one or more of them start taking his play time in the away games too.
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Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2021, 01:56:43 PM
If the Sixers can stomach the distraction, they have leverage. They shouldn’t want Simmons with the team or on the court if he’s going to be a **** while he’s there, and they shouldn’t accept a bad trade either. The Sixers will lose every trade unless they land Damian Lillard, but they don’t have to accept pennies on the dollar. Simmons can sit out as long as he wants, but sitting out an entire year doesn’t count as a year of his contract. It falls under “failing to render services” so he would still have four years on his contract while also getting fined into oblivion.

As for Wiggins, I question who is willing to trade for his contract and the current reality of him automatically missing games because he won’t be allowed in an arena.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 24, 2021, 09:41:44 PM
Wiggins will give in.

His value was already low (by comparison) to begin with, and watching someone from the bench take his playtime while he loses (now and future) money will right his ship long before it gets off course.
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Post by: Adrock on September 24, 2021, 11:14:40 PM
LOL. Wiggins tried to get a religious exemption which the NBA promptly shut down and denied. I agree; he’s going to get the vaccine at some point. He’s being such a wang about it right now though.

Unrelated: a local Salt Lake City reporter stopped Jordan Clarkson on the street (without knowing who he was) for an impromptu interview. She asked him to spell his name then asked if he went to any Jazz games. Clarkson replied, “Yeah, a lot.” In her defense, she’s taking it pretty well. This is my favorite NBA story of the off-season.

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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 27, 2021, 10:42:43 PM
Wiggins on how he don't know if he's gonna get Vaxx'd
https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1442582057859706882?s=20

I'm pretty sure you don't get paid for all the games you ("voluntarily") don't play in....


and here is Steph politely telling him that BULLSHIT
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1442641773378088963?s=20


I hope they just bench him for the damn home games too. Can't keep fucking up the chemistry switching out a rotation that may be working.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on October 04, 2021, 09:26:25 PM
Got a ticket for the Suns and Lakers game on the 6th.  I am in the lower deck  just to the right of the basket on the west side of the court.
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Post by: Adrock on May 15, 2022, 10:15:27 PM
Sheesh, here’s a summary of Suns vs. Mavericks:
(https://i.ibb.co/DMHKdJp/EE0-FD9-CB-1-F2-B-479-D-8-D52-48-BAC5-EF496-A.jpg)
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Post by: broodwars on May 16, 2022, 12:56:14 AM
Meanwhile, us Jazz fans are off in a corner, waiting for the time to finally come to blow up the team after season after season of pure mediocrity.

Man, though, just WTF happened to the Suns? I was really pulling for them to get that Championship this year. It's bad enough to lose a hard-fought series like that, but to get completely annihilated at home in Game 7? Ugh...

Warriors vs. Mavericks. Now there's a lose-lose battle, and it doesn't get any better with a vs. Celtics or vs. Heat finals. -_-
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 16, 2022, 01:40:07 AM
Thanks for bumping this Adrock.

I have just been rooting for my adopted team the Bucks for the playoffs since the Lakers missed out on the playoffs.   

Coming out of the East I have the Heat winning because of Butler but also the Celtics can not get the 18th now that the Lakers have tied them again at 17.    Heat in 6.

West I have the Warriors for their team play.  I do like Luka and the Mavs and because Kidd is a former Lakers coach and Bullock is a former Lakers player but I think it will be a 7 game series. 
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Post by: Adrock on May 18, 2022, 10:34:05 AM
Meanwhile, us Jazz fans are off in a corner, waiting for the time to finally come to blow up the team after season after season of pure mediocrity.
May I interest you in a gently used Russell Westbrook for Donovan Mitchell?

But seriously, what do you think the Jazz do? The end of Jazz vs. Mavericks Game 6 was wild. You can’t ask for a better final shot than Bogdanović wide open for three at home. After another early playoff exit, the Jazz have to consider trading Gobert AND Mitchell. If the site I looked at is accurate, the Jazz owe its 2022 first round pick to the Grizzlies and its next first round pick starting in 2024 is conditionally protected through 2026 (owed to the Thunder because of course it is). It behooves the Jazz to tank to keep that pick.

Personally, the Jazz keep Mitchell and try to build around him though he’d probably be better as a second option. Trading Gobert choke-slams the Jazz’s entire defense.
Coming out of the East I have the Heat winning because of Butler but also the Celtics can not get the 18th now that the Lakers have tied them again at 17.    Heat in 6.

West I have the Warriors for their team play.  I do like Luka and the Mavs and because Kidd is a former Lakers coach and Bullock is a former Lakers player but I think it will be a 7 game series.
Yeah, I can’t have the Celtics winning anything so I hope the Heat advance. Did you see the game last night? The Heat struggled more than expected considering the Celtics were missing both Horford and Smart.

In the West, I like Luka but don’t want anything good to happen to Mark Cuban. I want the Mavericks to perpetually lose through Luka’s next contract so he gets fed up and leaves. Since both the Sixers and Bucks failed, I want the Warriors to win as it may be Steph and Klay’s last best chance to win another title.
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Post by: broodwars on May 18, 2022, 06:19:21 PM
Meanwhile, us Jazz fans are off in a corner, waiting for the time to finally come to blow up the team after season after season of pure mediocrity.
May I interest you in a gently used Russell Westbrook for Donovan Mitchell?

But seriously, what do you think the Jazz do? The end of Jazz vs. Mavericks Game 6 was wild. You can’t ask for a better final shot than Bogdanović wide open for three at home. After another early playoff exit, the Jazz have to consider trading Gobert AND Mitchell. If the site I looked at is accurate, the Jazz owe its 2022 first round pick to the Grizzlies and its next first round pick starting in 2024 is conditionally protected through 2026 (owed to the Thunder because of course it is). It behooves the Jazz to tank to keep that pick.

Personally, the Jazz keep Mitchell and try to build around him though he’d probably be better as a second option. Trading Gobert choke-slams the Jazz’s entire defense.

I think Gobert's time with the Jazz is done. He's toxic on the court, he's toxic in the locker room, and playoff teams have figured out how to get around his basic-ass defensive strategy for years. Because of his contract, he'd be difficult to get rid of, but it needs to happen.

I also think Quin Snyder's time with the Jazz is done. The guy doesn't play his young and developing talent, and years of mediocrity have shown that this team just does not listen to him. He's a good coach, but it's time for a change. To what? I don't know.

If I'm the Jazz, I find a way to keep Mitchell; Clarkson; Bogdanovic; Danuel House; Trent Forrest; and Jared Butler. Everyone else is expendable. Blow up the team, keep Donovan happy by rebuilding the team around him (whereas it's currently built around Gobert) and getting rid of Gobert (it's an open secret that Donovan and Rudy don't get along), and be willing to lose for a few seasons trading and developing talent. Take another swing at a deep playoff run when we have a more complete team, rather than the glass cannon build we have right now.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on May 18, 2022, 07:35:11 PM
Yeah Adrock I watched the game last night and the Heat didn't have Lowry starting but his backup Strus had a nice game.  I think the return of Robert Williams helped a lot.  That inside defensive game.   Smart not playing mattered more I think as he couldn't defend the perimeter.   Herro and Strus had good games and Butler looked like he did in the 2020 playoffs.

As for Cuban at this point I amambivalent with him.  I don't care.  I just like watching Luka do his thing.   Did you know that Luka in the last series versus the Suns had more points than Booker( 218-164), outrebounded Ayton( 69-57) had more assists than Paul (49-40), More steals than Mikal(15-9) in that 7 game series.
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Post by: Adrock on May 19, 2022, 12:01:44 AM
Yikes. That was a bloodbath tonight. There are rare occasions when I want a blowout. I prefer competitive basketball. That wasn't even fun after a while though I'm sure BNM will disagree.

I think Gobert's time with the Jazz is done. He's toxic on the court, he's toxic in the locker room, and playoff teams have figured out how to get around his basic-ass defensive strategy for years. Because of his contract, he'd be difficult to get rid of, but it needs to happen.
Gobert's main problem is he's the Jazz's only great defender while still having an exploitable weakness. Of course, the team is getting exposed in the playoffs under those circumstances. They're leaning way too much on one guy, and teams know exactly how to make him less effective.

If you need to choose between the two, the Jazz practically have to pick Mitchell because he's younger and still has upside. It shouldn't be that difficult to find a taker for Gobert. Some team will talk themselves into thinking he's the last piece of the puzzle. Still, I'd explore trading Mitchell unless y'all can get a superstar by some other means. Rip the bandaid off. This is how many early playoff exits in a row. The Jazz are absolutely a treadmill team.

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I also think Quin Snyder's time with the Jazz is done.
Rob Pelinka is licking his lips in anticipation.

I'd gladly take Snyder over names like Terry Stotts or worse, Mark Jackson and Doc Rivers. *shudder* (https://youtu.be/Fxm9bR1mxas) I'd also prefer a long-time assistant getting their first head coaching gig. Get some new voices in there.

Yeah Adrock I watched the game last night and the Heat didn't have Lowry starting but his backup Strus had a nice game.  I think the return of Robert Williams helped a lot.  That inside defensive game.   Smart not playing mattered more I think as he couldn't defend the perimeter.   Herro and Strus had good games and Butler looked like he did in the 2020 playoffs
Losing Horford/Smart is definitely hitting the Celtics harder than the Lowry's absence is hitting the Heat. Horford can pull Outta-the-Bayou away from the basket. Smart can at least make Butler work a little harder. Jebus, Butler was getting whatever he wanted.

It also felt like Strus had way more than 11 points.

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As for Cuban at this point I amambivalent with him.  I don't care.
Ehh, Mark Cuban is less-dangerous-Elon-Musk. Everything he does vacillates between hey-that-was-pretty-cool-of-you to what-the-****-man. There's no in between. And homeboy really thought people would believe someone so entrenched in team business had no idea there was rampant sexual harassment and an overall toxic work environment happening right under his nose, or that people would forget. GTFOH, Cuban. That **** was not that long ago. As much as I love watching Luka play, I just can't root for a Mavericks' title. Get my dude out of Dallas.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on May 22, 2022, 11:53:00 PM
Is anyone still watching the playoffs?

The games aren't great. Way too many blowouts this post-season. Tonight's game was okay. The Warriors were pretty firmly in control in the second half. Losing Porter Jr. sucks.

The Eastern Conference Finals are a mess.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2022, 02:28:48 AM
Yeah I have been watching them. 

A lot of these games have been blowouts so those tend to be not fun but this Mavs and Warriors game was pretty exciting.  Luka needs more help than sometimes Brunson and Dinwiddie.  Warriors have a pretty deep bench so that has been the difference.  Mavs really miss Tim Hardaway Jr.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2022, 03:29:19 PM
Sheesh, here’s a summary of Suns vs. Mavericks:
(https://i.ibb.co/DMHKdJp/EE0-FD9-CB-1-F2-B-479-D-8-D52-48-BAC5-EF496-A.jpg)

Here's a summary of the Mavs vs Warriors so far....

(https://i.imgur.com/hNVULiV.png)

video:
https://twitter.com/AverageAFPod/status/1528607257071702016?s=20&t=piTsxvPPzzySgs6VxDUWOQ


Luka and Kidd have both basically conceded, but even though it's not over yet, I think it's pretty safe to look forward to the Finals.

Question is will the Celts and/or Heat still have enough active players to get out of the East and still make it competitive?

I'm hoping the Heat continue to win, even though they've only won 2 out of 12 quarters so far.... but somehow lead the series 2-1. Warriors take the heat, that I'm almost certain of.

Celtics I think could be an issue, assuming they bring their best consistently every night, which they have not been doing in this current series.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2022, 11:20:58 PM
another BS game in the east....

It seemed like the league was pushing to even up the series and push it to 7, if not push Boston as a favorite or something.

I also feel like the league gonna put in the call to take to 5 if the Warriors don't outshoot the whistles tomorrow. Just to keep as much basketball on TV as possible till the Finals, because these games in the East are just not doing it.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 24, 2022, 01:37:05 AM
It's just sad....

(https://i.imgur.com/Met79i3.png)

please let Miami somehow beat the Celtics. LOL
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2022, 10:51:38 PM
LOL, Draymond with that free throw.

Collectively, this is one of the worst post seasons in recent memory. These games are bad.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 27, 2022, 12:05:23 AM
I'm sure BNM is happy with this result.  Warriors back in the Finals.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 27, 2022, 07:51:25 AM
Let's Goooo!!!!

Mav's were a good opponent, but we just had too many weapons.
Luka in peak physical and mental shape, and w/ one more piece next to him, and results could easily be different.

Just hoping GP2, Otto Porter and Iggy are all Ready to Go for game 1. All hands on deck.


Now, even being willing to bet that Cetls win this series, I'm hoping the Heat show up at least one more time and take their series to 7. I know they are all beat the hell up, but this they last chance to give themselves a chance. All or nothing.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 27, 2022, 06:45:51 PM
Yes I am hoping for the same result of making it to game 7 in the east just so if the Celtics make it to the finals that the Celtics have less time to rest and less of a chance from winning their 18th chip.   They can not pass the Lakers so soon after the Lakers tied up the chip total!!!
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 27, 2022, 08:45:07 PM
Yay, the Lakers signed Davin Ham to a 4 year deal!! 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on May 27, 2022, 11:37:19 PM
Finally, a close game in the Eastern Conference Finals. Big Heat win in Tiddy Garden.

I’m pulling for a Warriors vs. Heat matchup. I’d probably still lean Warriors, but I do want Jimmy Butler to get at least one ring.

Yay, the Lakers signed Davin Ham to a 4 year deal!!
Very happy with this hire. Long overdue head coaching opportunity for Ham. I’m hoping he can reign Westbrook in, get him to slow the hell down. I don’t want the Lakers using any more assets shedding Westbrook’s expiring contact so let’s see if Ham can get the most out of him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 27, 2022, 11:54:53 PM
Yeah that game was super close.  I was posting on SS&R about the Ham hire and missed the first 3 quarters.  Back and forth game the last five minutes.

The other good thing about this it is a 4 year deal.  Last time a head coach had more than a 3 year deal was with Phil Jackson.

So his contract runs through AD's current contract of 3 seasons.  So even if LBJ signs a 1+1 extension there will be cap space and development throughout the remaining years of Ham's contract.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 30, 2022, 02:10:39 AM
BnM your team is my only hope.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 31, 2022, 02:56:32 AM
Nothing against Tatum and Hoford, but the Celtics can't win this.

It's Curry's job to make sure WE show up and hold down home court. We're undefeated there during these playoffs, so I hope that continues.
Celtics have a bit of history of not holding their home court, so if can hold ours, we are in good shape.
Tatum has been rather inconsistent, and Brown been sloppy on the handle. I think we can take this version of these worn down Celtics in 5 or 6.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on June 02, 2022, 11:23:18 PM
This is embarrassing.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 04, 2022, 11:16:13 AM
All was looking good till Kerr made substitutions at the end of the 3rd....

Poole was playing like it was rookie year again, all game long. Homeboy had nerves so shaky, he literally reverted back to G League status. He should have been benched because this ain't the venue to let him "work it out". Had he not started the 4th Qtr.... with his shook ass revolving door defense on Brown... maybe we retain that lead, and they don't suddenly find some confidence and become Warriors East and shoot us out our own building from 3. Boy needs to calm down and step into the moment, or ride the bench.

And Draymond with being Mr. 2 for 12.... come the **** on Dray... stop shooting the ball. The man couldn't make a layup or short 4ft shot to save his life. Legit the worst layuper in the league. Makes no sense. Couldn't fall in the ocean jumping off a buoy. Dray has no excuse for that. Even making just half of the misses changes the game (). 5 extra made shots = 10 points.... 1 of the 3 missed free throws (0-3), and we're suddenly at 11 extra points on the board. Suddenly 1 pt difference. can't be blowing every damn layup.

Now I know there's no way the C's shoot like that again, but honestly, they don't have to... next game Tatum likely shows up, and all the pressure is on the Warriors.

It also didn't help that even though Curry came out the kitchen COOKIN in the first, he followed up the first course with a palette cleansing 0 in the 2nd. We can't have that. Curry even putting up a modest 5-7 in the 2nd keeps up the lead going into the half.

Also Iggy's turn over out the time out that started the C's comeback was just tragic. Warriors really gotta get it together. We're supposed to be the 4th Qtr team, and we sure as hell did not play like it.

anyway.... on to Game 2.
Adjustments will be made... hopefully we do better and get this back on track. Cannot underestimate these C's as they are a legit defensive and offensive threat.

Jimmy B let us down.... I really wanted to face the Heat. That was Dubs in 5 for sure.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on June 05, 2022, 07:54:58 PM
Well, there it is, as expected. Quin Snyder has stepped down as Head Coach of the Dumstper Fire that is the Utah Jazz.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/6/5/23155620/quin-snyder-is-stepping-down-as-utah-jazz-head-coach (https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/6/5/23155620/quin-snyder-is-stepping-down-as-utah-jazz-head-coach)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2022, 10:07:32 PM
That Poole Party 3 would have gotten a Mike Breen "Bang!" if he didn't have COVID. I hate this timeline.

Well, there it is, as expected. Quin Snyder has stepped down as Head Coach of the Dumstper Fire that is the Utah Jazz.
The Jazz can do us all a solid and hire Mark Jackson.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on June 05, 2022, 10:41:17 PM
This is embarrassing.
Same, just in the other direction. An entire quarter of garbage time. If nothing else, no Steph in the fourth quarter should be good for Game 3. Too bad the Warriors gave away Game 1.

Game 3 is on Wednesday. Is this scheduling normal? I originally thought Game 2 was supposed to be last night. There's only two days between Game 3 and Game 4.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2022, 12:02:03 AM
This is how Game 1 should've looked, if it weren't for the "cheat code" 3's being unlocked for the C's last game. I knew they couldn't continue to shoot with that amount of luck and accuracy. I think it's fitting that they spammed the 3 in game 1, and then apparently broke the button for game 2.

Dray was flirting with an ejection.... I don't know why he keeps testing the ref's.... but he won the game of chicken this time. Under normal circumstances... it might've been a double T and the keep it moving.

I expect a closer game for Game 3, with the Dubs pulling out a win in Boston and goin up 2-1 after another big run in the 3rd or 4th to get some separation.
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 07, 2022, 03:49:52 AM
Lakers finally signed Darvin Ham and he said all the right things.  It made it sound like Russ was in the plans for the upcoming season but i get they have to say that to get Russ to buy in and not tank his trade value even lower than it is.  System seems good with the 4-1 out but if Russ is staying then it is going to be hard to use that unless they get back a floor spacing 5 or get the defensive wings in a low 3 and D wing free agency.

Best option seems to be trade Russ for Brogdan and Hield and grab OP Jr with the taxpayer MLE or trade for Rozier, Oubre Jr and Plumlee and go from there with wings and front court depth.

A lot of what was said in the press conference was about sacrifice but that was said last season with Russ, LBJ and AD playing different roles but it never happened.  So talk is cheap till I see otherwise.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on June 08, 2022, 11:51:27 PM
RE Warriors tonight: I was rooting for you, we were all rooting for you. How dare you? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIzVCwhHcWc)

System seems good with the 4-1 out but if Russ is staying then it is going to be hard to use that unless they get back a floor spacing 5 or get the defensive wings in a low 3 and D wing free agency.
The Lakers don't have the assets to make any splashy moves. They can probably get 3 OR D, not a wing who is both. That's fine given the circumstances.

The Lakers held a workout yesterday. People on Reddit and Youtube were dunking all over this. However, it's exactly what they should be doing. Most role players they sign should be under 30. They're likely all coming to come from the scrapheap, undrafted pool, and purchased second round picks. Cross your fingers they find a Spencer Dinwiddie-type diamond in the rough who every other team gave up on.

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Best option seems to be trade Russ for Brogdan and Hield and grab OP Jr with the taxpayer MLE or trade for Rozier, Oubre Jr and Plumlee and go from there with wings and front court depth.
I've seen the Pacers trade thrown around a lot. I'd agree if the Lakers didn't have to give up any picks. The Pacers would be saving like $60 million in salary. That's the trade. If anything, the team absorbing the extra years/salary should be getting at least a conditional first round pick.

Ultimately, the Lakers' best move is to just ride out the year with Westbrook. Pelinka has been planning for years to have cap space in 2023. Stay the course unless a good trade pops up closer to the deadline next February. The Lakers absolutely should not be trading their 2027 or 2029 first round picks.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 09, 2022, 12:38:17 AM
Well... what can I say about the game tonight?

Draymond didn't bring that energy.
Warriors didn't appear to have that energy and lacked effort at getting the boards.
We can't win if we don't make the necessary stops and get rebounds to give ourselves more chances at scoring, and taking away their extra attempts at scoring.

We simply got out played tonight, and let Smart score 24 points....
Which reminds me... Draymond needs to learn how to score the ball again.
Can we atleast get 10-15pts a night from Dray? Is that asking too much?
I don't prefer him taking shots when unnecessary, but that's mostly because he can't shoot, and his shot looks terrible (shooting like he got a backpack full of books on), but he should be able to make simple layups and short shots next to the rim. The fact that I can't even count on him to make a layup is ridiculous.


But anyway.... on to the next one.

edit: Oh yeah... and then there was of course this nonsense before the game.... :/
(https://i.imgur.com/vvtx85r.png)

I hope when we come back to The Bay for Game 5, the Celtics practice rim is a Milk Crate screwed to a wooden backboard on a post that wobbles a little bit. only seems fair :P
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Post by: Adrock on June 10, 2022, 11:30:10 PM
That man Steph Curry. Tiddy Garden got really quiet at the end. Mmm, mmm. Let's fucking go!

GIVE ME GAME 6 KLAY!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 10, 2022, 11:47:31 PM
Heck yeah!!! Steph put the team on his back and scored 40. Wiggins was huge with all the rebounds.
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Post by: Adrock on June 13, 2022, 11:41:17 PM
Curry always seems to have one bad shooting night per series. Good timing with that game being at home and when Wiggins went off.

Speaking of, the Warriors better pay that man, but I don't think they will because they have to pay Poole soon too. What sucks is that Wiggins is clearly best when he's the third or fourth option. I doubt he'll be this effective on another team. We already saw that guy in Minnesota.

Anyway, Tatum weirdly shot a bunch of airballs. And Mark Jackson continues to be intolerable on commentary. "Imma call him Klay. Imma call him Klay." Yeah, because that's his name. What are you talking about?

GIVE ME GAME 6 KLAY!
Soon.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 16, 2022, 05:12:26 AM
And Mark Jackson continues to be intolerable on commentary. "Imma call him Klay. Imma call him Klay." Yeah, because that's his name. What are you talking about?

That was so weirdly annoying. It's like he just desperately needs to throw in AAVE sayings into the broadcast for no fucking reason. "Mama named him Klay, I'm gonna call him Klay". He doesn't have a fucking nickname. No one is calling him anything other than Klay. He doesn't go by "K Daddy" or "K-Popz" or anything other than "Klay".
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Post by: Adrock on June 16, 2022, 11:31:50 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/p05sWyR/Screen-Shot-2022-06-16-at-11-49-26-PM.png)

Thanks, Warriors. It got a little dicey with some of those second half Celtics runs. Ultimately, the Celtics couldn't overcome giving up a 21-0 run in the first half though.

Curry finally getting his Finals MVP.

No Game 6 Klay was disappointing. He does not deserve to go by "K Daddy".

Imagine spending thousands of dollars on tickets and watching the home team fall behind 22 points. Yikes.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 17, 2022, 02:17:43 AM
Boston just couldn't keep up. And those turnovers are deadly against the Warriors.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 17, 2022, 11:07:14 AM
Let's go back a week and look at the confidence....

(https://i.imgur.com/uv0jf18.png)

I assume there was no Draymond Green Show last night, since they were likely out celebrating in Boston. Glad they wrapped in 6, because I would've hated to see a Game 7 where things didn't go our way.

You see how we had to outplay the calls by the refs early on with 2 flops called in a row. Same as last game where the whistles were blown far more early on against the Dubs than for the dubs. I think we took our first Free throws late in the 2nd Qtr. and 2-3 of our players already had 2+ fouls each.

But good win. Good effort from the Celts. They need a bigger rotation next time around. Tatum was not only gassed, but likely nursing a bad shoulder all series. Brown was clearly their FMVP in that losing effort.

Glad Steph not only FINALLY got his FMVP, but won it decidedly.
Him not winning it was questionable in 2015-2016 (Iggy) and again in 2018-2019 (Durant)

It was also good to see Iggy get to step on the court to finish out the game as one of the 4 for all 4 rings. And LOL at Steph breaking down and crying on the court before the game was even over. Keep it together man. I know it's one of if not the biggest moment of your Career so far, so no one holding anything against you, but bro could barely talk and eyes were all watery and bloodshot.

Let's see if we can run it back one more time and get a 2nd B2B since it looks like we going deeper into the Luxury Tax to keep as many as we can, starting with Wiggins and GP2
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Post by: broodwars on June 17, 2022, 11:53:57 PM
So, the Jazz decided to finally unveil their new uniforms for next season and...yeah, they're mostly awful. They were also mostly leaked months ago, and we thought they looked too terrible to be real:

(https://i0.wp.com/saltcityhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/jazzrebrand22-e1655503263397.jpg?resize=1024%2C576&ssl=1)

Yep...just take it all in. Our new team colors are white, black, and yellow. How generic. But at least we have the 90s throwback jersey that is the best design the Jazz ever had during its best run of basketball.

It seems that Jazz management has heard our utter disdain, because alongside these new jerseys they also declared "PURPLE IS BACK!" and announced these 2 jerseys for the season AFTER next:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVeOizEUUAA92Ln?format=jpg&name=small)

Gotta say, I'll always be partial to the 90s throwback design, but I'm still digging that all-purple redesign. I've argued for years that the Jazz really should make the Mountains their official icon (instead of the generic music note). It's Utah. The mountains MEAN something to Utah, far more than the music note does.

Just saw this damning article criticizing the new jerseys as the embodiment of what this team is right now, too.

https://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-jersey-release-a-perfect-metaphor-for-a-team-without-identity/ (https://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-jersey-release-a-perfect-metaphor-for-a-team-without-identity/)
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Post by: nickmitch on June 20, 2022, 05:13:11 PM
Glad Steph not only FINALLY got his FMVP, but won it decidedly.
Him not winning it was questionable in 2015-2016 (Iggy) and again in 2018-2019 (Durant)

I don't know about the decidedly part. There wasn't a player you could say was consistently better than him on the Warriors, but I think the series as a whole was one on the backs of the support players. The second half +/- favors Wiggins for those last three games, and I would say Wiggins only won it for the team in one of those instances.

Edit: Those yellow and black Jazz jerseys are hideous. The white one at least has the right design cues.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2022, 01:04:37 AM
It was decidedly.

Wiggins only out-performed Curry during game 4 win, but Curry was still providing that gravity that gets everyone else looks, regardless of him actually scoring points or not.
Curry also had a crazy stats tho, and even good defensive performance.
Something like 134 points in 143 minutes played. Shooting splits of something like 48/38/89

No team had a better player on the floor than Curry, and Wiggins was 2 steps down in considerations for that FMVP trophy. But if they gave a DPOF Award, Wiggins would've gotten that for sure.

and Yes, those Black and Yellow Jazz jerseys look like somethin you make in the "Create A Jersey" mode with extremely limited free assets.

But also wanted to add that I was kinda sad I missed that Warriors Parade on Monday. I was out of town, so couldn't make it. Dubs seem like they were getting real loose out there.
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Post by: broodwars on June 23, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
Well, it's Draft Day and we're still stuck with Gobert, so unless they announce a trade on live TV, I guess we're stuck with him for a while.

In light of the awful new jerseys, thought I'd post these fan jersey designs I saw on Twitter. These particular designs did something I really like, and I wish the team would officially do it too: incorporate the mountain into the music note design, merging the 2 icons the Jazz have used over the years. I don't know if you'd ever see it from a distance, but it finally makes the note click for me in a way it never has.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV9BTr0UcAAvxtP?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 24, 2022, 05:54:10 PM
Those are soooo much better than the official one.

Whoever got paid to design those practice jerseys should be ashamed, fired, and replaced by whomever did these fan designs. LOL
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Post by: broodwars on June 24, 2022, 07:21:51 PM
Those are soooo much better than the official one.

Whoever got paid to design those practice jerseys should be ashamed, fired, and replaced by whomever did these fan designs. LOL

Speaking of the practice jerseys, the same fan also made the black jersey much better with the simple addition of the mountain.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV3EbQyXkAE_70N?format=jpg&name=large)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 25, 2022, 12:22:16 AM
Small change. BIG difference.

someone submit it before it's too late for them to change their minds.
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Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2022, 05:16:59 PM
Kendrick Perkins cut a promo on Draymond Green and deleted it.

link (https://twitter.com/shannonsharpeee/status/1541479077260828672?s=20&t=f9_-uvdgHtcPjRaD_Deyxg)
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Post by: broodwars on June 28, 2022, 08:04:06 PM
Well, the Jazz have their head coach...I guess: Celtics Assistant Coach Will Hardy.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/6/28/23186928/utah-jazz-hire-will-hardy-as-new-head-coach-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/6/28/23186928/utah-jazz-hire-will-hardy-as-new-head-coach-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics)

Well, I guess you can't go too wrong with a Popovitch protege, but I have no idea what to make of this guy.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2022, 08:58:52 PM
They apparently also brought on Fizzdale
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Post by: BeautifulShy on June 29, 2022, 08:02:34 PM
They apparently also brought on Fizzdale
Yep for the assistant GM spot.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 30, 2022, 04:57:19 PM
NBA is the sports entertainment that keeps on giving....

After the whole Nets debacle ending with Kyrie just taking his player option, KD turns around and basically says "**** Kyrie and/or **** The Nets" by immediately requesting a Trade.

preferred "Next Chapter" destination..... #1 regular season record in the West (The Suns) or the #1 regular season record in the East (The Heat).

that sounds so familiar.... reminds me of when he signed with the Best Regular Season Record in NBA History Warriors.

The memes, jokes and the negative narrative around all of this is just gonna be so damn entertaining.
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Post by: Adrock on July 01, 2022, 04:51:14 PM
Sources: Utah Jazz trading star center Rudy Gobert to Minnesota Timberwolves for four first-round picks (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34180894/sources-utah-jazz-trading-star-center-rudy-gobert-minnesota-timberwolves)

Bye Rudy.

This feels like more of Danny Ainge hoarding draft picks only to not make any major moves then say afterward, "Oh yeah, we could have had [Player X] or [Player Y] if we really wanted."

Was it merely a coincidence that the Celtics were back in the Finals the literally season after Ainge "retired"?

From the Jazz’seses side, it was high time for a major roster shakeup. The roster was simply not working as (previously) constructed. As expected, they kept Mitchell who still has upside while Gobert is who he is at 30. And Beasley is solid. I don't know anything about Vanderbilt, Bolmaro, or Kessler. They're all young so that's a plus if the Jazz are committing to a rebuild around Mitchell. Pat Bev, of course, trick y'all, man.

From the Timberwolves’ side, four first round picks (all unprotected except 2029) feels like an overpay. President of Basketball Operations Tim Connelly gave up a draft pick by even answering Ainge’s call. Why does anyone still trade with this guy?

preferred "Next Chapter" destination..... #1 regular season record in the West (The Suns) or the #1 regular season record in the East (The Heat).

that sounds so familiar.... reminds me of when he signed with the Best Regular Season Record in NBA History Warriors.
Ehh, I get the sentiment, but the situations aren't even remotely the same. The Warriors signed Kevin Durant at the beginning of his prime as a free agent and only gave up the privilege of re-signing Harrison Barnes. Oh no.

The Suns or Heat would have to give up at least rotation players (though the Nets apparently want all-star level players which, LOL, good luck) and draft picks for post-Achilles-tear-but-still-pretty-excellent-Kevin-Durant.

Anyway, teams are just poaching Warriors' talent this free agency. Bye Payton, Porter, and true Finals MVP, Toscano-Anderson. It's OVER for you bitches!

It's as good a time as any to see what Moody, Kuminga, and Wiseman can become.
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Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2022, 06:21:56 PM
Still doing my research on what we go out of this deal. I only heard about this just as I was leaving work, so I haven't had much time to read up on it.

This has been inevitable for a long time. I've always liked Rudy as a person and I've appreciated his defensive work, outside of the stunt that had us using a different name for this thread for a while. But he has no offensive game that isn't dunking the ball, he had no defensive ability outside the paint, and his salary was just fucking killing us. Plus, he and Donovan notoriously don't get along because both of them thought they were the leader of this team, and I'd argue neither of them were correct (I'd argue that was Joe Ingles, who is now a Milwaukee Buck).

I never in my wildest imagination thought the Jazz would not only trade Rudy within the Conference, but also within the Division. From all accounts, we got quality players in Beverly and Vanderbilt that will help address our longstanding perimeter defense issue, and we got trade fodder in the form of all those picks and the additional players. Everything I've seen so far says this is a phenomenal trade.

And make no mistake: the Jazz are not done. We just spent yesterday clearing out cap space and getting an additional 1st round draft pick from the Nets in exchange for Royce O'Neal. We pretty much gutted our bench yesterday. We SOMEHOW ended up under the salary cap on the last day of the "season", so we avoided the luxury tax. I'll be shocked if we end this summer with more than maybe 2 of the 5 1st round picks we're currently now sitting on.

There's more to come, and it will likely involve Conley and/or Bogdanovic. I suspect we may have trades in the works with the Kings and the Raptors. The Jazz REALLY wanted Harrison Barnes last season, but just couldn't make it happen.

For the life of me, I don't understand why every NBA team thought we would trade Donovan. He isn't and never was on the table. Even the Lakers apparently tried to get him.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on July 01, 2022, 07:00:16 PM
OK, there's a new rumored trade now this evening I thought was worth spinning out into a new post: for some bizarre reason, the Suns want Kevin Durant. Yeah, I know...inexplicable, right? But they need to clear salary cap to make it happen, so the plan is to free it up by trading Deandre Ayton to the Jazz in exchange for Patrick Beverly & one of those Minnesota 1st round picks we just got.

So chances are good that if we see one of these moves, we'll probably see the other.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 02, 2022, 04:20:17 PM
preferred "Next Chapter" destination..... #1 regular season record in the West (The Suns) or the #1 regular season record in the East (The Heat).

that sounds so familiar.... reminds me of when he signed with the Best Regular Season Record in NBA History Warriors.
Ehh, I get the sentiment, but the situations aren't even remotely the same. The Warriors signed Kevin Durant at the beginning of his prime as a free agent and only gave up the privilege of re-signing Harrison Barnes. Oh no.

The Suns or Heat would have to give up at least rotation players (though the Nets apparently want all-star level players which, LOL, good luck) and draft picks for post-Achilles-tear-but-still-pretty-excellent-Kevin-Durant.

Anyway, teams are just poaching Warriors' talent this free agency. Bye Payton, Porter, and true Finals MVP, Toscano-Anderson. It's OVER for you bitches!

It's as good a time as any to see what Moody, Kuminga, and Wiseman can become.

I was more speaking about how Durant came to a #1 seed when he came to the Warriors, and now that he wants out of Brooklyn, request the #1 seed in both the East and West conferences.
Always taking what seems like the hardest route.... Even though those teams would have to give up something likely significant, where the Warriors did not.

I'm mostly just looking forward to the slander.
Seen it mentioned that LeBron went to teams that weren't having success, and took them to "Ringz Erneh".... Every single team he was on got a ring from Lebron. Durant's Legacy always being in question....

And I'm gonna miss GPII.... but I'm happy he got paid.
3yrs $28M in Portland.

D. Lee got less than JTA and i find that kinda funny, but good luck to them both on their new journeys elsewhere.

Porter getting an offer elsewhere was a given... And we can't keep everyone, especially with new talent incoming, and talent on the bench already itching to get that playtime.
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Post by: Adrock on July 13, 2022, 11:55:28 PM
Day 37 (really, only like two weeks) of will-Kyrie-Irving-get-traded-to-the-Lakers. Reddit and YouTube are a cesspool of bad takes and worse trade proposals. Why would the Lakers trade TWO first round picks for Irving? The Nets have no leverage. Homeboy spent half a season not playing basketball and like the last five years generally being a weirdo. The Nets can either take a protected FRP or watch Irving walk next summer for nothing along with whatever BS he pulls before then.

From the Lakers' perspective, Kyrie Irving is not your savior, y'all. Trading Westbrook for Irving is essentially trading one set of problems for different set of problems. Irving is clearly the better fit and player in 2022... when he plays. Are you getting that guy? He hasn't been that guy since he asked out of Cleveland. Say what you will about Westbrook. At least he plays and leaves it all on the court (along with the houses he builds out there).

In other news...

Sources: Utah Jazz now willing to listen to Donovan Mitchell trade scenarios (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34233167/utah-jazz-now-willing-listen-donovan-mitchell-trade-scenarios-rival-teams-say)

How are you coping, broodwars?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on July 14, 2022, 12:37:31 AM

Sources: Utah Jazz now willing to listen to Donovan Mitchell trade scenarios (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34233167/utah-jazz-now-willing-listen-donovan-mitchell-trade-scenarios-rival-teams-say)

How are you coping, broodwars?

Fine, actually, because it's not going to go anywhere. It's just more of the National Media trying to will Donovan to a large market team by manufacturing stories about his unhappiness on the team or the team's willingness to get rid of him, which they've been doing for weeks. He's not going anywhere, though I would have been shocked if the Jazz weren't at least entertaining offers.

And let's just say such a deal did go through and he left the team. I've been through worse as a Jazz fan. Deron Williams forced Jerry Sloan into retirement on his way out. Gordon Hayward's exit from the Jazz was notoriously bitter. The Jazz losing big name talent and being a joke for a few years would be nothing new. It's not like Jazz games are easy to catch here on the East Coast these days anyway.

On a side note, I guess Kevin Durant isn't as in-demand as he seems to think he is, because you'd think the trade to bring the ring-chaser to his new temporary home would be done by now. The entire league seems to be waiting to see what comes of that before any more big trades go through.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2022, 10:30:41 AM
and now they trying the play the KD back to the Warriors as a high possibility.

I know trading away our future for what could be another ring or 2 in the next 2 years sounds great, and I'm hearing it would ease that luxury tax and give Klay & Dray their retirement bonus contracts, but we'd have to give up a chance to run it back as a full squad all year, and some good youth on our team.

There's a chance Steph, Klay, Dray, and Durant are all done by the time Durant's contract is over. Not sure what it looks like. But do we want to give up some combination of Wiggins, Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, and future picks to grab Durant for the next 4 years? Assuming he even wants to come back? and won't request to leave once things don't go his way and realizing once again that "it's not his team"? Does Curry take another "co-pilot" arrangement to make Durant happy again?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on July 14, 2022, 04:27:00 PM
Well, so much for the Jazz possibly trading for Deandre Ayton. -_-

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2022, 09:20:29 PM
Well, so much for the Jazz possibly trading for Deandre Ayton. -_-

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say)

And the Suns matched it, so they may do a Sign and Trade with the Pacers.... unless the Jazz want to or can even afford to hop in that money pit too?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on July 14, 2022, 09:49:51 PM
Well, so much for the Jazz possibly trading for Deandre Ayton. -_-

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say)

And the Suns matched it, so they may do a Sign and Trade with the Pacers.... unless the Jazz want to or can even afford to hop in that money pit too?

No way. Ayton isn't worth that max salary, and we just got rid of a max salary player who was dragging down the team.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 14, 2022, 10:07:43 PM
I actually just read that Ayton can't be traded until January 15th, and can't be shipped to the Pacers till next season.
So I guess it's time for the Suns to try an run it back. Time to set a new regular season record for the franchise!!!
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Post by: BeautifulShy on July 16, 2022, 03:00:50 AM
Well, so much for the Jazz possibly trading for Deandre Ayton. -_-

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34242899/phoenix-suns-deandre-ayton-signing-4-year-131m-maximum-contract-offer-sheet-indiana-pacers-agents-say)

And the Suns matched it, so they may do a Sign and Trade with the Pacers.... unless the Jazz want to or can even afford to hop in that money pit too?

The Pacers can't trade for Ayton for a year.  Ayton also can't be traded till Jan 15th to any  other team and he also has veto power because the Suns matched the Pacers offer.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on September 01, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
Well, there it is. We traded Mitchell for garbage, Collin Sexton, and picks Danny Ainge seems to have no intention of using. Let the tank begin.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34502825/sources-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-3-first-round-picks-two-swaps-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34502825/sources-cleveland-cavaliers-trade-3-first-round-picks-two-swaps-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell)
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Post by: Adrock on September 21, 2022, 12:56:43 AM
Me rooting for Pat Bev:
(https://i.imgur.com/lMYCoDY.png)

Saw a rumor that the Suns are trying to trade Jae Crowder for Bojan Bogdanović. Resident Jazz fan, thoughts?
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Post by: broodwars on September 21, 2022, 02:44:47 AM
Me rooting for Pat Bev:
(https://i.imgur.com/lMYCoDY.png)

Saw a rumor that the Suns are trying to trade Jae Crowder for Bojan Bogdanović. Resident Jazz fan, thoughts?

That's an upgrade for the Suns, though not a huge one. You're trading a guy who will fight in the paint for rebounds and can shoot a 3 for a guy who can drive to the basket and hit a 3 better but has way less energy. Crowder's a guy I wished we could have kept around the last few years since we really needed a high energy guy who will fight in the paint (a "junkyard dog", if you will). I'm not sure you want to give that energy up just for a guy who has better stats. Still, Bogey would probably get the ball more as a Sun than he ever got as a Jazzman.
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Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on September 22, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
The Jazz have traded Bogey to Detroit in exchange for trash, inexplicably. Sounds like a salary dump.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/9/22/23367270/utah-jazz-trade-bojan-bogdanovic-to-the-pistons-for-kelly-olynyk-and-saben-lee (https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/9/22/23367270/utah-jazz-trade-bojan-bogdanovic-to-the-pistons-for-kelly-olynyk-and-saben-lee)
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Post by: nickmitch on September 23, 2022, 04:32:59 PM
Celtics Coach Suspended for 1 Year (https://theathletic.com/3617945/2022/09/22/celtics-ime-udoka-discipline/)

If anyone hasn't been following, Woj tweeted that Ime Udoka was facing a suspension for some unknown reason. It was later revealed that he had a consensual relationship with a female employee who has not been named. Early reports said his job status was not in jeopardy. He's confirmed to be suspended for one year after the Celtics completed a months-long investigation. He is currently engaged to actress Nia Long.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on November 01, 2022, 07:00:17 PM
I've had a particularly busy work week so far so I just now checked some NBA news. Turns out the Nets:

-Still haven't done anything about Kyrie-being-Kyrie®, now with a Salt Bae sprinkle of anti-semitism, apparently
-"Mutually parted ways with Steve Nash"
-*adjusts glasses* Hired Ime Udoka

(https://i.ibb.co/S60cnzx/WTH-Ant-Man.jpg)

On that last bit, there was a perfectly good and capable Quin Snyder like right there yet Tsai and Marks picked one of the most controversial figures from the off-season to coach this team. Good coach, sure, but y'all really want to do this right now with everything else going on? To be fair, I can imagine Snyder looking at that dumpster fire and just:

(https://i.ibb.co/JxHdmxH/Backing-up-Nets.jpg)
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Post by: broodwars on November 02, 2022, 06:58:02 PM
I really don't get the Nets firing Steve Nash. It certainly wasn't his fault that Durant's custom-made Superteam bombed. Durant was constantly injured; Harden was out of shape; and Irving/Simmons were useless. And replacing him with the guy fired from the Celtics for having an affair with the staff (and who knows what else)? Yeah...yikes.

Incidentally, the Jazz are doing surprisingly well so far, though I'm curious how long this honeymoon period is going to last. It's increasingly looking like we got a real steal out of the Gobert trade, since he's been next to useless on their team. Meanwhile, Malik Beasley, PWalker Kessler, and Jarred Vanderbil have been huge for us. It's looking so far like we might have broken even on the Mitchell trade, as Collin Sexton and Lauri Markkanen have been outstanding so far.

Still not a fan of that Bogdanovic trade, despite how well Kelly Olynyk has played so far. That still feels like a trade Ainge made because he owed someone in Detroit's head office a favor.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 02, 2022, 07:38:28 PM
Looks like Russ is playing well off the bench.

In two games he has been the engine off the bench and setting up others.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 07, 2022, 12:14:27 PM
Nets.... Kyrie and self-sabotage... Coaching Drama Nash Fired - Ime Udoka to be hired!?

I don't really know what Kyrie is thinking, but he just cost himself a stupid amount of money for "truth" as he'd like to put it. I don't know the facts behind what was said, and what was offensive, as I don't pay no attention to what Kyrie (or Kanye) have to say about anything. BUt either just shut up about it, or apologize and then shut up about it. Dude gonna talk himself out of a lucrative career in the NBA.

As for the Nets and their coaching.... I say **** it. just hire Udoka. Who cares about the blow back. Nets ain't gonna suddenly just get it together, might as well weather the storm and get a coach that could possibly get you there.... or wait till December and hire him? I don't know. Who would be a good fit for them?


Rumor has it that Lakers could be looking to move AD....
Lakers w/ Westbrook of the bench leading the B team, works better (but still broken)?

Saw a tweet about a possible AD on the block.... but who's bailing the Lakers out for an always injured or looks like about to be injured AD? and for what exactly? What would the Lakers wants, and realistically expect to get back for him?

And WB leading the B squad seems to be working out much better for him... but Lebron, having just looked at stats and not really watching the games, has been in a major slump this season. Lakers ain't going no where if Lebron isn't performing at peak. I know he old now... but he is still a presence, and needs to find his shot again.


Today has ALL 30 Teams playing, each game tipping off 15 minutes after the next. (Because Election Day is tomorrow.... also a Blood Moon Eclispse tonight... just a coincidence!? who know)

Not sure if I'm gonna be able to follow all the games tonight. Does NBA TV have a Highlight Zone (like NFL RedZone) where you can be watching one game, but also getting highlights from other games? at some point... I think there will be around 12 games on at the same time... that's a lot to follow


Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: nickmitch on November 08, 2022, 03:10:48 AM
Kyrie honestly would've been fine had he just apologized and deleted the tweet. Instead, he acted like the biggest ass hat imaginable. So much of that story could've easily been avoided. But at least it somehow led to several people making fun of Royce White on twitter (https://twitter.com/darwinchvz320/status/1589096487396732930?s=20&t=srAp6QnxSeoz72Kwy318Qg).
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 08, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
Curry ain't quite having a Luka season, but this man is literally having to just DO IT HIMSELF.

Warriors bench is just absolute trash....
Wiseman ain't getting it done. that's why he probably didn't play last night.
Poole got paid and...... where the **** did he go? Did he drown in his own poole party?
Kuminga... I still believe in Kumbucket (LOL) but he just gotta get more play time

the bench as a whole was all negative.
If Curry didn't go Super Saiyan, we were gonna lose to the damn Kings....
I dont' care how much the Kings may have improved this season.... we cannot be exerting this much energy to barely beat the Kings this early in the season, and expect to repeat this year.

But at least we got the win.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 09, 2022, 08:44:46 PM
Nets promoted their Asst Coach up to Head Coach, to avoid the Ime Udrama.

Anyone else see the Nets imploding this year?
Simmons refusing to shoot, Kyrie can't stay on the court... and none of it so far is injury related (unless we talking social and financial injury), a Durant... well, I'm sure he could find better support elsewhere.
Is this perhaps the biggest "Super Team" failure in NBA history?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on November 10, 2022, 03:37:36 AM
Nets promoted their Asst Coach up to Head Coach, to avoid the Ime Udrama.

Anyone else see the Nets imploding this year?
Simmons refusing to shoot, Kyrie can't stay on the court... and none of it so far is injury related (unless we talking social and financial injury), a Durant... well, I'm sure he could find better support elsewhere.
Is this perhaps the biggest "Super Team" failure in NBA history?

Yeah, probably, and I hope it deters future "super teams".

I had to laugh when I looked up who the Nets promoted to head coach: Jacque Vaughn. Now THAT'S a name I haven't heard in a LONG time. A long time.  :P

Impressive win by the Jazz over the Hawks tonight. Gotta say, it's getting increasingly annoying to listen to the commentators online regarding this team. In one breath, they'll praise how entertaining this team is to play, and in the next they'll talk about how all the good players need to be sold off because this team is "too good." Yeah, the Jazz have been stuck in a rut for a long time now, but they were stuck in that rut with crushing salaries and aging players. Can't we just build from here instead of looking for the next way to blow the team up and start over?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 11, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
Everyone was expecting them to tank for Wembanyama after trading away their 2 stars.

But they must've grabbed their tank from one of the abandoned ones in Ukraine, because they rolled right into 1st in the West. So if they plan to get back to "tanking" the "right" way they gonna need to get rid of some of these players apparently don't know how to do that. :D

But I say F that... it's hard to find something that clicks, while having a good year, and make it last all season. So ride it out, see where it takes you. Surprise the **** out of all the doubters. Maybe the Jazz mess around and end up in the (conference :P ) Finals
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on November 11, 2022, 07:40:49 PM
Everyone was expecting them to tank for Wembanyama after trading away their 2 stars.
Including the Jazz. Even if they don't land Wembanyama, the Timberwolves appear to be doing a hell of a job making sure the Jazz will have lottery picks anyway. Sheesh.

Speaking of lottery picks, the Lakers are hilariously terrible and they owe the Pelicans a pick swap this year. They got a championship so it's hard to argue that the AD trade wasn't worth it. Regardless, imagine Victor Wembanyama on the same team as Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram. That frontcourt would be so stupid.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 12, 2022, 12:14:37 AM
Refs in this Warrior game us BULLSHIT.

So many missed and BS calls, especially in this 4th quarter.
They missed an obvious offensive basket interference on CLE,  and all these terrible calls in the 4th need to stop.

Like the BS tech on Poole. Today shows he did not land in his space. But they missed the 3 where someone was literally on Stephs back.

Hopefully we can pull this off though, despite the refs.

OMG. Now that last foul on Draymond against Mitchell!!!!?
Give me a fucking break. There was NO FOUL. we all looking at the same replay.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on November 14, 2022, 12:56:01 AM
Oh my goodness we finally got another win against the Nets and it was a team effort.  Lots of taking time setting up and making the right play each time down the court. 

Next game is versus the Pistons on Friday and possible Schroeder, Thomas Bryant and LBJ back then maybe.  See what happens at that time.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 17, 2022, 12:40:29 AM
It's official.... Warriors Defense is BROKEN

Poole is a Home Court Warrior and/or can't play if Klay is on the court

Klay is a shell of his former self

Draymond.... I just assume can't do it by himself, and shows why he would have little value on any other team that didn't involve a prime Splash Bro-like combo

JMG.... bench him please.
DDV.... could be better

Honestly if it wasn't for Wiggins and Looney, Curry was pretty much out there doing it by himself.
Don't look at the Box score and say "well, Klay had 20...." Klay missing so many key shots, it's literally taking us out of games.
Turnovers are out of control.
Rebounds are something we really don't seem to try for... especially on offense, and it would LITERALLY make the whole difference in the game, just from an effort stand point, but just a few 2nd or 3rd chance opportunities could have put us in position to win this game.

It really is a shame that Wiseman seems to be a bust so far, and had to be sent down to the G league for looking lost on the court, slipping screens before even setting them, and just not being where he needed to be at practically any point while he was on the floor.

Curry put on a show tonight though with 50 points in a 13 point loss.
But Curry could've went for 60 or 70, but it don't matter if we can't stop the other team from scoring practically every time they bring the ball down the court.

Kerr needs to fix this mess. We don't have time for all this.
0-7 or 0-8 on the road. ridiculous.

EDIT:
I'm looking at the Box Score, and How the **** is JMG (the dude who should've been benched) have the higherst+/- on the team at +7 and somehow, the man that had almost HALF of the teams points, and the ONLY reason we weren't completely blown tf out, Stephen Wardel Curry, have a -14!!?

that makes no sense to me.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 24, 2022, 02:43:01 PM
Dray held a meeting, and held everyone accountable for where they needed to be held accountable.

Klay took it to heart, and stop taking terrible shots and trying to force everything to be something he never was. Now Klay has found his stroke, and is looking like who he used to be.... on offense at least.
Defense is that bad, but not quite the level where he used to be.

Kerr finally appeared to have fixed the lineups, and keeping at least 2 starters on the floor for most of the game is a must. It should've have taken this long to figure that out, but honestly, Klay fixing his bullshit helped bring us to this point. Poole running point w/ 4 other people that don't know the system wasn't working.... and Poole has a other issues to work out, like STOP CARRYING THE BALL for one... but other things as well.

Now if can continue to tighten up on D, and actually try to rebound on offense... or just hang out in where you were standing in the halfcourt, where the ball would've naturally came to you, we can turn this season around and get in playoff position.

Once we work out these kinks.... maybe we'll be ready to bring Wiseman back in for the back 1/3rd of the season so he's Playoff/Play-In ready. LOL
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Post by: broodwars on December 08, 2022, 06:55:47 AM
So...how about those last 13.3 seconds in last night's Warriors-Jazz game?  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uYpmVapL8Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uYpmVapL8Y)

I've watched that Clarkson sequence in the last 30 seconds, and I still don't understand what the Flagrant 2 was for. Sure, Technical him up if you want to toss him from the game for trying to start a fight, but I can't see any "unnecessary contact above the shoulders" with him wrapping up a player from behind to stop the clock.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 08, 2022, 12:32:53 PM
Well... I think it should've maybe been a Flagrant 1.

Warriors get the FT and the ball... F2 was excessive. Wasn't expecting that.
He did kind of aggressively swing his arm against his head in an attempt to wrap him up and kinda yanked him back, and I think that's the part that might've been "excessive"

His squaring up though was funny.

As for that last sequence.... I'm not sure what to say.
Poole was karate chopped and then tackled. and this happened right in front of the Ref, yet no whistle. Even if the chop was all ball, the Olynyk tackle was a loose ball foul.

Regardless of all that, the loss once again came down to Klay and his terrible shot taking (constant 3 hunting and side fading shot selection), terrible shot not making (missing at least 4 layups.... 2 of them barely contested, 1 was fast break), and then the lack of perimeter defense in the end.
He just straight up left his assignment, their 3 point shooter... on the 3 point line, to casually not even challenge the ball at the rim, and leaving their 3pt shooter wide open to bring the Jazz within 1 point.

flip back around to the swallowed whistle at the end and the easy layup, and that was game.

Wiseman back to the G league indefinitely.
Not sure what's so hard about setting a screen, you know, making actual contact with the defender, before slipping the screen to look for a pass in the middle. Had you actually set the screen, the ball handler might've drawn enough attention to get Wiseman open in the middle, but he's just out there going through the motions like a non-contact practice session.
If he don't figure it out soon... and get aggressive about it, we won't see him again. Wasted #2 pick.
we don't have the time to develop him so slowly, so he needs to go to a team like the Pistons, Spurs, Magic, or Rockets so he can play through his learning curve.

On a positive note Kuminga was great!!
He is good on D, he's aggressive on offense, and he should have been starting over Ty Jerome in Draymond's spot.
I actually think Ty Jerome and LaMychal Green both got in before Kuminga, and that just needs to stop.

So I actually put this loss mostly on Klay, but Kerr is the #2 reason for most of these losses with these rotational lineups that should be figured out already.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 17, 2022, 03:23:41 PM
Curry is hurt.... :(
minor dislocation or something of the left shoulder. 2 weeks out. So he gonna miss the much hyped Xmas Game v the Grizz

it's a shame, because The Grizz are rolling and Ja is usually very fun to watch.

speaking of which.... anybody checking out the NBA Ref Snitch account on youtube? pointing out all the missed travels and carries of individual players. Some of them so blatant and repetitive, it really is terrible to see everyone continually get away with it 98% of the time. Ja was one of a few  really bad offenders in this area from recent videos released.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkxpE3xOCiA

anyway....
With Steph injured, it's time for everyone, especially Jordan Poole, to become ROAD WARRIORS and start picking up the slack. Maybe Wiseman gets an early chance to prove he's made advancements in the G league that translate to NBA playtime.

I'm just hoping this next stretch of losses doesn't push us too far down to still make the play-in or better.... The West still isn't won, and no one has run away with anything just yet.

We likely to write this next stretch a loss (2w/4L).... hoping we get Steph back 12/30 v Portland, because Steph loves to play Dame.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2023, 01:48:22 AM
Klay is a shell of his former self
Just really glad you were wrong about this.

I normally don't like unsportsmanlike conduct, but this is my favorite thing that's happened this season so far: Klay Thompson taunts Dillon Brooks while he's on the ground after hitting a shot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKHyeZa0-gE).

Dillon started it last season. If you're going to run your mouth, be prepared when **** like this happens.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2023, 04:05:59 AM
I'm glad I was wrong about it too.

Now if I can just be wrong about Jordan Poole.... we can have a decent squad at home and on the road. The last 3 loses were all unfortunate, and we realistically could have and should have won them all.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 13, 2023, 07:24:48 PM
Well I am beyond heated about the calls at the end of the game and throughout the Mavs vs Lakers game.

Troy Brown Jr was clearly hit on the hand but their BS report is that Troy's shot was blocked and there was a follow through for a high 5 and that follow through high 5 is allowed.  What nonsense is that??   Argh!!!!

That screw up caused the Lakers to prevent them from leap frogging up to 10th in a 3 way tie and now we are below the Thunder who is probably upset about the call since it affects the Wemby chances.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 13, 2023, 09:31:03 PM
There's plenty of season to tank left. I'm sure the Thunder will be fine 😉
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2023, 10:34:40 PM
Even if the NBA wants to claim high-five contact, Hardaway still bumps into Brown in the air and ends up in his landing space which absolutely is a foul. Beyond that, there was enough fuckery elsewhere like two missed foul calls in 1OT, one of which was Luka with five fouls.

Still, if LeBron doesn’t shoot 0% from the three-point line and/or the team doesn’t shoot 63% from the foul line, maybe this isn’t even a conversation. Also, LeBron insisting that Ham use the Coach’s Challenge when he wasn’t even in foul trouble really could have been useful at the end there. And beyond that, maybe double team Luka or simply foul him before he even takes a three pointer (which the Lakers inexplicably didn’t do twice), and force him to pull off another miracle miss-free-throw-rebound-and-score like he did against the Knicks. The officiating was buttcheeks all game, but let’s not act like the Lakers didn’t make some costly mistakes on their own. Seriously, make one extra free throw in regulation. 🤦‍♀️
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on January 15, 2023, 10:26:18 AM
It may seem silly to care about who the sponsor is on your team's building, but as someone who was there when the Jazz's current arena opened in 1991 this story just makes me smile.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz)

After 20 years of actual toxic waste companies and smart home manufacturers slapping their name on our building, the Jazz will once again be playing in the Delta Center starting in July. That building has always been "The Delta Center" to me, and this just feels like an old friend coming home.

(https://www.sportico.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Delta_Exterior.jpg?w=1600&h=901&crop=1&resize=1600%2C901)
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Post by: BeautifulShy on January 18, 2023, 01:06:35 AM
It may seem silly to care about who the sponsor is on your team's building, but as someone who was there when the Jazz's current arena opened in 1991 this story just makes me smile.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz)

After 20 years of actual toxic waste companies and smart home manufacturers slapping their name on our building, the Jazz will once again be playing in the Delta Center starting in July. That building has always been "The Delta Center" to me, and this just feels like an old friend coming home.

(https://www.sportico.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Delta_Exterior.jpg?w=1600&h=901&crop=1&resize=1600%2C901)


Broodwars do you comment on SLC dunk?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on January 18, 2023, 08:17:50 AM
It may seem silly to care about who the sponsor is on your team's building, but as someone who was there when the Jazz's current arena opened in 1991 this story just makes me smile.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz)

After 20 years of actual toxic waste companies and smart home manufacturers slapping their name on our building, the Jazz will once again be playing in the Delta Center starting in July. That building has always been "The Delta Center" to me, and this just feels like an old friend coming home.

(https://www.sportico.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Delta_Exterior.jpg?w=1600&h=901&crop=1&resize=1600%2C901)


Broodwars do you comment on SLC dunk?

No, never got around to creating a profile over there. It's just a very handy site to check for Jazz news.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 19, 2023, 10:38:36 PM
It may seem silly to care about who the sponsor is on your team's building, but as someone who was there when the Jazz's current arena opened in 1991 this story just makes me smile.

https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2023/1/14/23555527/the-delta-center-is-back-utah-jazz)

After 20 years of actual toxic waste companies and smart home manufacturers slapping their name on our building, the Jazz will once again be playing in the Delta Center starting in July. That building has always been "The Delta Center" to me, and this just feels like an old friend coming home.

(https://www.sportico.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Delta_Exterior.jpg?w=1600&h=901&crop=1&resize=1600%2C901)


Broodwars do you comment on SLC dunk?

No, never got around to creating a profile over there. It's just a very handy site to check for Jazz news.

Ah reason why I asked was I am apart of the wider community underneath the SB Nation umbrella and was wondering if I saw you there.
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Post by: Adrock on January 21, 2023, 02:43:34 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/TPbBwGg/D41809-A6-50-CC-4-DD4-939-B-3-FFA639-AF3-D6.png)

Also, because Dillon Brooks is New Pat Bev® for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awRpOQR9sIE
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 21, 2023, 11:09:45 PM
That Grizzlies vs Lakers game was a roller coaster.  Not only on the court but that squable at half time with Tee Morant and Shannon Sharpe.   I was losing my mind the last 5 minutes of the game.
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Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2023, 12:06:15 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/d4rZZY0/2850665-F-25-C3-41-C6-882-B-EBB9944-F826-B.png)
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Post by: Khushrenada on January 23, 2023, 10:41:00 AM
Oh man! I haven't seen that meme in so long! Thanks for reminding me of that one. Classic!
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 23, 2023, 02:21:15 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/d4rZZY0/2850665-F-25-C3-41-C6-882-B-EBB9944-F826-B.png)

🤣🤣🤣

Lakers got the job done. Can't say the same for my Dubs....
Wiggins is still not back to form, Klay was back to forcing shots when others stand around him open.... Poole losing the ball at the end of the game has become something to expect at this point.
This was Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory game. Not like the Blazers blowing a huge lead, but the Warriors failing to get a huge lead in the first place, when it was very possible.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2023, 12:03:05 AM
Anyone watch that Lakers Celtics game?

has there been a worse referre'd 4th quarter specifically so far this season?
Calling fouls that didn't happen... both ways, missing obvious fouls that the Ref was literally staring at from several feel away (Lebron Layup end of Regulation), stupid flagrants....
This 4th quarter was just fucking awful, and despite all that, the Lakers should've won in regulation.... but apparently, just as when Embiid help WB's wrist a few weeks ago, apparently Tatum didn't slap Lebron's arm down on that layup to end the game.

Lakers gave up in OT.... AD not getting back on D and just watching Brown run past him... that's when I knew it was over... even though there was still about 2.5m left in the game. and then WB with the block by the rim....smfh. comical, especially since Lebron was open in the corner right in front of him.

I feel Lebron's frustration.
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Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2023, 12:39:21 AM
Anyone watch that Lakers Celtics game?
Of course, I did. Bad reffing cost the Lakers three games definitely, possibly four. It is what it is.

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Lakers gave up in OT
Ehh, I felt they were deflated from that non-call. They kept it within reach despite the circumstances. I give Davis a pass. This was his second game back, and he played well over his 20-24 minute minutes restriction.

This game isn’t close if Westbrook is average. The Lakers lost leads every time homeboy checked into the game. And if Pat Bev makes that one free throw, maybe we don’t have this conversation. If he doesn’t foul Brown, maybe we don’t have this conversation. That putback dunk was filthy though.

Also, Pat Bev is disgustedupvote.jpeg for me, but showing the camera to the ref was hilarious. I saw this on Reddit:
(https://i.ibb.co/3hGZ9Xs/EBDECEEB-FDDA-4-E12-8-E4-C-9-F6-DD1476-F8-B.png)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 01, 2023, 11:07:44 PM
Holy **** at this Warriors game tonight..... I just .... can't.

of all the things that went wrong, they literally stall in the last 5 seconds to give the Warriors an opportunity to challange that foul on Klay's pass, which was called a foul on Looney who didn't even touch anyone (it was Klay being hit trying to pass to Looney)... Game was tied, Warriors in the bonus...

If Kerr had called the challenge and won (he would've, they showed the replay), Klay would've had 2 Free Throws to put the Warriors in the lead with under 5 seconds in regulation. Then we don't need to watch the Ice Cold Dubs Show continue to **** the bed in the 4th and OT.
What a disaster.... and now the Dubs fall from 5th to 8th in one loss.

So many things led to the loss tonight, but the above mentioned could've bailed them out of this one, and not put as much pressure on having to play the Nugz tomorrow.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2023, 09:11:40 PM
True, but the it's very likely had they called that foul (like they should have), Lebron would've made attleast 1 of the 2 freethrows and the game would've been over. Then that Pat Bev moment would've never needed to happen.

Just like the one in the 76er game against WB where Embiid was literally holding WB's wrist for a solid second or two.

and the other 2 games where the same exact thing happened.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 03, 2023, 02:45:35 PM
This ref nonsense has cost the Lakers 4 games.  Had those games gone the other way the Lakers would be the 4th or 5th seed instead of 11th and with a win versus the Pelicans on Saturday another game up in the standings.

There were the Mavs, 76ers, Kings and Celtics games the refs screwed up. 

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on February 08, 2023, 08:24:08 PM
Saw this on Reddit.

(https://imgur.com/ZMKCuy3.jpg)
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on February 08, 2023, 10:30:36 PM
Saw this on Reddit.

(https://imgur.com/ZMKCuy3.jpg)

This trade just completely baffles me. We traded away 4 of our best players + two 2nd round picks...for a written-off Westbrook and a protected 2027 Laker 1st round pick. Like, what was even the point? Yeah, we shed $60 million in salary. And? What now, Ainge?
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Post by: nickmitch on February 09, 2023, 11:56:36 AM
I saw a tweet mentioning that Westbrook didn't hug LeBron after he broke the scoring record. Which, I mean, can you blame him?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2023, 04:23:02 AM
I saw a tweet mentioning that Westbrook didn't hug LeBron after he broke the scoring record. Which, I mean, can you blame him?

I saw a video of AD sitting on the bench, and uninterested in Lebron breaking the record.
But AD really didn't seem into the game at all.


But Trade Deadline was interesting.

Kyrie to Mavs
KD to Suns
WB to the Jazz.... likely to be bought out and then to the Clips or the Heat
John Wall back to the Rockets....
Warriors finally dump Wiseman, and turn that into getting GPII back
DLo to the Lakers
Beverly to.... the Magic?
Conley to the Timberwolves
Mo Bamba to the Lakers....


That's all I can remember off the top of my head.

I'm glad the Warriors finally got rid of the 2nd or 3rd year Wiseman who still couldn't figure out how to play with the team. He really needed to go to a non-contender and find his game or run out his contract. Dubs don't have the cushion to coach him on court, since we still fighting to pull everything else together just to make the playoffs.

Oh and the best story I heard, was that the Heat were ready to deal Lowry to the Clippers, but the Heat Front Office couldn't get ahold of Pat Riley in time to finalize the details before the deadline..... because Pat Riley is old and was taking a nap.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: nickmitch on February 10, 2023, 12:05:16 PM
I saw a tweet mentioning that Westbrook didn't hug LeBron after he broke the scoring record. Which, I mean, can you blame him?

I saw a video of AD sitting on the bench, and uninterested in Lebron breaking the record.
But AD really didn't seem into the game at all.

That's par for the AD course though. It's why Pels fans don't miss him much.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 16, 2023, 08:53:57 PM
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I saw a video of AD sitting on the bench, and uninterested in Lebron breaking the record.

To be fair to AD he did explain his actions.  Apparently he was in the tunnel and was coming back to the bench just as LeBron hit that shot to pass Kareem.

Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on February 26, 2023, 06:33:41 PM
Once again:

(https://i.ibb.co/KNPxn63/440-E3-DC8-B1-AC-4-CBB-A402-1-FE7-A10-FA69-A.png)

What the **** were the Jazz thinking trading Vanderbilt and Beas- Never mind, I’m gonna stop questioning it. Thanks, Trader Ainge.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 28, 2023, 11:51:40 PM
Once again:

(https://i.ibb.co/KNPxn63/440-E3-DC8-B1-AC-4-CBB-A402-1-FE7-A10-FA69-A.png)

I mean the Jazz are trying to tank.  There is your reason there.

What the **** were the Jazz thinking trading Vanderbilt and Beas- Never mind, I’m gonna stop questioning it. Thanks, Trader Ainge.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2023, 12:46:28 AM
I mean the Jazz are trying to tank.  There is your reason there.
I was being rhetorical.

If you want to be literal though, the Jazz have won too many games to tank properly, recent loss to the Spurs notwithstanding. Also, they didn’t have to sell so low on two starter level players. The Jazz could have just sat them if tanking was the plan. Not that I’m complaining since the Lakers are watchable again. It’s just a little baffling that a man known for fleecing other teams in trades made a very non-Ainge deal.

Anyway, I’m surprised no one posted about that amazing Kangz vs Clippers game or Lillard dropping 71 without OT. Dead forum is dead, I guess. 🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2023, 01:14:23 AM
Warriors pulled a Warriors tonight.....

down 11 at the half, couldn't hit a shot their lives.
Kerr says or does whatever he does in the locker at the half
41-16 Warrior run in the 3rd

This was despite the multiple questionable calls made by the refs, such as where Kawhi slaps the ball out of bounds, and the refs call it Clipper ball. Kerr almost challenged it.
The flurry of fouls on a single play leading to a collision between Dray and PG13 that was STILL a no-call that just lit the Warriors fuse.

But I do have to give a shout out to Ty Lue for the beautiful challenge call in a situation i've never seen before and was ready to laugh at.

Kawhi elbows DiVincenzo in the mouth, lengthy over the commercial break review to call it a Common Foul and 2 Free Throws for D, then the challenge happens,
Here I am wondering who in their right mind would challenge that after that 5 minute review, and turns out to be successful in not just reversing the call, but flipping back onto DiVincenzo as a foul before the elbow giving Kawhi 2 free instead. ::standing ovation::

Well played Ty, well played.

But we ultimately kicked they ass, because it was literally 4 on 5 with no respect shown to Westbrook whatsoever. It was REALLY embarrassing. Literally daring WB to shoot ANYTHING at all. Dray didn't get within 15 ft of him if he wasn't coming into the paint. All the open shots he want to take, and of course he missed them all.


Hopefully this 2nd half Warriors is the Warriors we continue to see now that the "Playoff" switch has been pushed.

But we have yet another back 2 back tomorrow, and apparently one more this season after this.
That's quite ridiculous.
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Post by: Adrock on March 03, 2023, 11:24:56 AM
I need the Warriors to beat the Pelicans tonight and lose to the Lakers on Sunday. Please and thank you.

Of course, m-f-ing Steph Curry decides to return from injury against the Lakers. I sincerely hope he’s rusty.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 03, 2023, 06:18:37 PM
We need to win both, sorry.

Lakers with no Bron and a sad AD, vs Warriors with possible return of The Chef... Not sure what's on the menu that night, but i hope to be served up something good.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: broodwars on March 03, 2023, 07:11:29 PM
I mean the Jazz are trying to tank.  There is your reason there.
I was being rhetorical.

If you want to be literal though, the Jazz have won too many games to tank properly, recent loss to the Spurs notwithstanding. Also, they didn’t have to sell so low on two starter level players. The Jazz could have just sat them if tanking was the plan. Not that I’m complaining since the Lakers are watchable again. It’s just a little baffling that a man known for fleecing other teams in trades made a very non-Ainge deal.

Well, this has been asked a few times now, so there are a handful of possibilities here for why Ainge made that Westbrook trade, despite knowing that Westbrook was never going to play a single game for us and we didn't want him anyway:

1. In the lead-up to the trade deadline, there were stories going around the major NBA pundits that the Jazz were one of the biggest players on the market, but that some general managers had declared "if you get a call from Danny Ainge, let it go to voicemail." Apparently, at least some if not a lot of teams were petrified of being fleeced like the Cavaliers kinda were and the Timberwolves DEFINITELY were. You could argue that Ainge had to show he was willing to lose a trade in order to make it easier for GMs to deal with him again over the Summer.

2. Something else that came up over the Summer is that the Jazz were having trouble getting trades going because they were hard-capped. They couldn't take on salary, so any trade had to be for equal value, and that just wasn't working out. By trading several players who weren't going to stay for the Jazz after this season for a player who DEFINITELY wasn't going to stay for the Jazz, it opened up I believe $60 million in cap space. It's believed this will allow the Jazz to finally start making trades again during the Summer, but it could also have another purpose...

3. Jazz owner Ryan Smith has this bizarre obsession with Jordan Clarkson, like he's the one player that he's publicly said he wants on his team, come hell or high water. He's the player the Jazz dragged out to show off those godawful new Jerseys over the Summer, despite Donovan still being the face of the team at the time.

Problem is, Jordan has openly said he's not going to take his player option this off-season to return to the team. Instead, he's nearing the end of the viable part of his career, so he's going on the open market to chase his last big payday. The Jazz could not afford the $21 million+ per year that Jordan's asking for, so we are expecting to lose him after this year. However, the Jazz just made this bizarre 3 team trade that opened up a huge amount of cap space. Perhaps Ainge was being strong-armed into finding money to resign Clarkson. Personally, I hope not. I like Clarkson, but I don't think he's worth what he thinks he's worth, and we need that cap space to sign real starters and get this rebuild going now that we're down to our new core unit. Ainge wants to make the Finals in the next 3 years. Clarkson will not be part of that, and if we pay him what he wants, we won't be able to reach that point.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2023, 12:16:06 PM
Looks like Ja Morant could miss more than the 2 announced games for the Grizz....
https://sports.yahoo.com/grizzlies-coach-taylor-jenkins-has-no-timeline-for-ja-morants-return-after-gun-video-suspension-022832825.html

Between the SUV training lasers at Pacers staff in Indiana, the threatening of a 17yr old with a gun after a pick up game, bringing the posse to threaten a Finish line employee and Mall cop because his mom called, and now flashing his piece in a strip club on IG Live while on tour with the team in a different state... rumor has that it could be (but mostly likely won't be anywhere near) up to 50 games suspension.

the only way a lengthy suspension is likely to happen though, is if it turns out it was his personal piece, that he brought on to the team plane/facilities and cross state lines with.

But chances are he's gonna miss more than than yesterday vs the Clips, and tomorrow vs the Lakers. Probably also gonna miss Thurs vs the Warriors and probably Sat vs the Mavs as well. But I guess we'll see.

Not to downplay Ja's own self inflicted troubles.... and I hope he gets the help he needs, but all 4 teams this week need that win against the Grizz, who are also missing Adams, and another player that just suffered an ACL tear.

Grizz are likely to slip into the 3rd or possibly even 4th seed before Ja is back.
leaving the Kings in the 2nd seed!!!! (who saw this coming or even as a possibility!?)
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Post by: nickmitch on March 06, 2023, 04:03:08 PM
Looks like Ja Morant could miss more than the 2 announced games for the Grizz....
https://sports.yahoo.com/grizzlies-coach-taylor-jenkins-has-no-timeline-for-ja-morants-return-after-gun-video-suspension-022832825.html

What a bozo.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 06, 2023, 04:46:22 PM
Looks like Ja Morant could miss more than the 2 announced games for the Grizz....
https://sports.yahoo.com/grizzlies-coach-taylor-jenkins-has-no-timeline-for-ja-morants-return-after-gun-video-suspension-022832825.html

What a bozo.

Colorado police also looking into the situation.... 🚔
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1632829012178337795?s=20

Guess you can upgrade bozo to dumbass. 🤦🏿‍♂️
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Post by: nickmitch on March 09, 2023, 11:36:06 PM
If the league gets him for having the gun on the team plane, we can upgrade him to two steps past that.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 24, 2023, 10:32:08 AM
This Warriors vs Kings series has been FIRE.

lots of calls favoring the Kings, but the main thing holding the Dubs back from already being victorious, is all the got damn turnovers..... (also some rebounding, but mostly TO's)

Curry with the Timeout Call when we ain't had no Timeouts.... :facepalm:
that put us in a position to lose the damn game. So damn stressful with this team this year.

and the WTF moment by the refs....
When there was a whistle, for what everyone thought was for a kickball (they showed it on replay), but the ref called it an "Inadvertent" whistle.... which should have just reset the play for the Warriors, since they had the ball during and after that "inadvertent" whistle, but somehow it turned into a Jump Ball, that turned into a quick Kings 3, busting up the Warriors change to build on a late 5 point lead....
we all know that should've been a Side or baseline out for the Warriors. Not sure how it turned into a Jump Ball.

Draymond absolutely is the worst when it comes to close quarter shots and layups.... missed somewhere between 5-7 close ones, that could have easily given us a comfortable lead. Nothing but full speed layup lines for that man please!!!!! it's literally killing us on offense. But good thing he is sooooo Clutch on Defense, because that saved us from an embarrassing defeat yesterday.

All worked out in the end, but damn was that nerve wracking to watch. Best series of the Playoffs so far BY FAR though.
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Post by: broodwars on April 26, 2023, 09:33:00 PM
Well, here I was enjoying a little schadenfreude at seeing Donovan and Rudy yet again fail to get past the 1st round after how much their respective teams paid to get them when I decided to google what happened to the Timberwolves after they lost.

And umm...yeah...apparently, Anthony Edwards swung a chair at a couple of arena staffers after the Wolves lost that last game, and now he's being charged with 3rd degree assault after (presumably lightly) injuring them.

Lovely teammates you have there, Rudy.  :rolleyes:

https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-edwards-cited-for-assault-for-allegedly-hitting-2-women-with-folding-chair-after-timberwolves-elimination-224617553.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-edwards-cited-for-assault-for-allegedly-hitting-2-women-with-folding-chair-after-timberwolves-elimination-224617553.html)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2023, 03:05:43 AM
It's total BULLSHIT if you watch the video.

He picked it up, swung it around in front of him, and then softly dropped it infront of 2 arena employees. He shouldn't have done that, but there is no assault. at worse, the chair touched someones feet, but 3rd degree assault!? gimme a break.

They just looking for a quick settlement and easy paycheck.
and once it's done, if it is exactly as it looked.... then I hope they get fired for cause.
That would be filing a false ass police report for what that video looked like.


But on to better news.... How about Jimmy Butler (8th seed) taking out Giannis (1 seed) and coming back 2 games in a row with a more than double digit deficit in the 4th.... absolutely crazy.

And then the Warriors pulling out game 5 against the Kings.... despite the ref effort to not let that happen. It was a good ass game... all 5 of them have been so far. Game 6 is where it ends though. Experience will beat youth this time. They gonna have to save that BEAM for next year.
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Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2023, 12:52:40 AM
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Post by: broodwars on May 13, 2023, 09:51:36 AM
Definitely rooting for the Nuggets and 76ers at this point, because **** having ANOTHER Lakers/Celtics Finals.

And what a shock: Chris Paul was injured in the Playoffs when his team needed him the most, like he is every playoffs. Always a pleasure seeing the ring-chaser (Durant) just completely fail after demanding a trade.
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Post by: nickmitch on May 17, 2023, 08:37:09 PM
Looks like Ja Morant could miss more than the 2 announced games for the Grizz....
https://sports.yahoo.com/grizzlies-coach-taylor-jenkins-has-no-timeline-for-ja-morants-return-after-gun-video-suspension-022832825.html

What a bozo.

Colorado police also looking into the situation.... 🚔
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1632829012178337795?s=20

Guess you can upgrade bozo to dumbass. 🤦🏿‍♂️

What's the upgrade after dumbass? Is it shithead?
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: Adrock on May 17, 2023, 09:35:13 PM
What's the upgrade after dumbass? Is it shithead?
Ja really got let off easy with an eight-game suspension then decided, “Yo, let me hit y’all with the REMIX!”

Like why? Homeboy cost himself $40 million because that suspension definitely factored into the all-NBA vote. It’s like he wants to lose more money.

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Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2023, 09:18:26 PM
Looks like Ja Morant could miss more than the 2 announced games for the Grizz....
https://sports.yahoo.com/grizzlies-coach-taylor-jenkins-has-no-timeline-for-ja-morants-return-after-gun-video-suspension-022832825.html

What a bozo.

Colorado police also looking into the situation.... 🚔
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1632829012178337795?s=20

Guess you can upgrade bozo to dumbass. 🤦🏿‍♂️

What's the upgrade after dumbass? Is it shithead?

I actually think it's Dipshit, but if he gets that whole or even half season suspension.... Well just give him the free upgrade to Big Time Loser or fucking idiot
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Post by: Adrock on May 18, 2023, 11:25:18 PM
LOL. Just waiting for someone on Reddit to make a gif of LeBron blowing that open dunk but with the Larry O’Brien slipping out of his hands.
Title: Re: NBA Thread: Brought To You By The Tampa Bay Raptors Of Toronto
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 23, 2023, 03:29:47 PM
Still waiting for the Nuggets to get that extra point that was missing from Jokic's 3 that counted as a 2.... That they showed the replay of several times and mentioned on the broadcast, but never updated the score....

Not that it really matters now, but it could've.
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Post by: Adrock on June 01, 2023, 01:03:13 PM
Still waiting for the Nuggets to get that extra point that was missing from Jokic's 3 that counted as a 2.... That they showed the replay of several times and mentioned on the broadcast, but never updated the score....
Davis was called for offensive goal-tending that was't one. Call it a wash.

Anyway, some quick thoughts/questions:

1. BNM, thoughts on Bob Myers stepping down? Homeboy really signed Poole to one of the worst extensions in the league then decided to dip.

2. I keep reading that Draymond will turn down his player option. No one else is paying him $27.6 million. He's taken discounts in the past so maybe it isn't about the money. Thoughts?

3. Anyone read up on the new CBA? Yikes. Most teams are majority owned by billionaires or a group largely comprised of millionaires and billionaires. They whine about spending but once it starts limiting and affecting them, they'll whine about that. Keep an eye on the Hawks next season as they're above that really punitive second apron.

4. Who here has watched the playoffs? I'm a little disappointed in most series. Only Kings/Warriors was really good and even that series had two blowouts.

5. Who is everyone rooting for in the Finals? I don't mind either team. I'm leaning toward the Heat because I like Jimmy Butler and the narrative that they have four undrafted players logging significant minutes.

I also like Jokic. Despite back-to-back MVPs, people keep hating on him/downplaying how good he really is. I don't really care that the Nuggets have never won a title. With roster and ownership turnover, teams aren't really the same. To that end, I roll my eyes any time fans brag about past titles especially if they happened over 15-20 years ago.
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Post by: broodwars on June 01, 2023, 10:39:42 PM
Regarding the Finals, my support's always behind the Small Market team. The Jazz & Nuggets have been division rivals for decades, so I'd like to see them get a Championship before Miami adds yet another one to their display case. Besides, they're just flat out the better team this year.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2023, 01:51:09 AM
1) Bob Myers moving on was a little unexpected, as Curry still got a few years of near prime play left in him. Poole was certainly a mistep... but hind sight is 20/20. Who couldn't seen him only being a HomeWarrior and being a end of the bench G Leaguer on the road?

2) I know Dray wanted to go to the Lakers.... but he ain't getting paid nowhere near as much by any other team than the Warriors. and with the new CBA.... another team isn't likely to overpay on him just to get him away from the Warriors

3) I didn't read the new CBA, but got a brief summary of the changes.... kinda seemed targeted at breaking up the Warriors Dynasty, but that's from the perspective of who summarized it for me.

4) Dubs Kings was a good watch. Lakers getting swept was bitter sweet. I don't actually remember most of the rest of the playoffs, outside the Heat Celtics.... even though I watched quite a bit of it.

I just had to look up the playoff brackets :D and now I remember the Knicks Cavs being one series I was a little hyped about, but that turned out to be a dud. Oh and the Grizz flaming out spectacularly.

5) I'm personally rooting for Himmy Buckets, but I think this may just be the Nuggets year. They peaked at the right time. The Heat just don't score enough, and I don't think they can stop the Nuggets for getting consistent buckets.

edit: and to add, Jokic should've been a 3x repaeat MVP, but he let that go to achieve higher goals, starting with his first NBA Finals Appearance, and possibly a NBA Chip and Finals MVP. Embiid winning was only a compromise and a pity award. We all know Jokic was the clear and undisputed MVP for this season.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 23, 2023, 11:40:19 PM
In this year's edition of "I bet you didn't see that coming" [/quicksilver reference]

Chris Paul to the Warriors for Jordan Poole and 2 future picks to the Wizards.....

I admit i was shocked at first and was thinking WTF are they thinking....
But CP3 is a vet and would be taking on the 2nd unit, and running point so Steph can play off ball more.
vs JP3 who is very erratic, over dribbled out of plays and into bad spots. Makes terrible telegraphed passes, and takes terrible shots at bad times, that are only acceptable IF YOU MAKE THEM (or are Steph Curry).

Besides, I'm sure Draymond opted out to put pressure to trade Poole. And then hopefully come back on s team friendly deal to sure up the bench for another run at a title. And it gets us out from his terrible contact.

I think it could work out.
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Post by: broodwars on July 27, 2023, 02:41:26 PM
I must confess my admiration for the Warriors. Even after losing the Finals, they still possess a magnificent team with star players like Curry, Thompson, and Green. Additionally, their new addition Durant, who is an MVP, brings a fair amount of excitement, although I am curious about how he will mesh with the team.

I am also thrilled about the new players, particularly Pachulia and McGee, whose unique playing style adds an element of fun to the game. The bench players always come in handy, too. It is an outstanding squad, and I'm looking forward to seeing them succeed next season.

No one tell it. :P
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Post by: Adrock on November 15, 2023, 12:15:55 PM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 16, 2023, 01:21:36 AM
how dare you make a direct comparison of the Stifle Tower to Captain America!?
You think that A stands for FRANCE!!!!??