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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2016, 01:30:14 PM »
... Will it be compatible with 3DS cards? I have to assume the screen will be touch sensitive-- they have to accommodate the backlog of Wii U games no one played on the original hardware, so everything the Wii U can do the Switch should support too. ...


Don't count on either 3DS/DS or Wii U compatibility. This is a single-screen device, although it has the capability to push that single screen to a TV using the dock. That would effectively kill any chance of backwards compatibility with those systems.

I guess, I initially missed the fact that the two screens weren't used together... but it certainly looks like it could be compatible with a special touch screen add-on-- and there's no doubt they'll find a way to make Wii U games playable on the new platform-- they need to make money off those games that no one played on the original hardware.


That's what re-releases are for.  Many Wii U games could be updated to work with a single screen, repackaged and sold as new.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2016, 01:32:12 PM »
I guess, I initially missed the fact that the two screens weren't used together... but it certainly looks like it could be compatible with a special touch screen add-on-- and there's no doubt they'll find a way to make Wii U games playable on the new platform-- they need to make money off those games that no one played on the original hardware.
If Nintendo were really smart, they'd find a way to make it compatible with smartphones/tablets-- allowing them to function as the touch screen).

Not to toot my own horn, but the more I think about it, the more brilliant and non-brainer it sounds. I'm sure Nintendo HAS to have thought of it and that kind of compatibility WILL be implemented at some point-- it would give to system access not only access to a touch screen, but to tilt sensors and rumble with no extra purchase since virtually everyone has one.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2016, 01:33:56 PM »
Bman - yeah, they'll make WiiU games playable on Switch, but not with backwards compatibility - if they do it they'll do it like ejamer said - re-releasing.  Think about it.  You could play Gamecube games on Wii, but how much money was Nintendo making off of that?  People weren't buying Gamecube games from Nintendo at that point.  They were either playing the ones they already had OR they were buying them used.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2016, 01:52:00 PM »
Bman - yeah, they'll make WiiU games playable on Switch, but not with backwards compatibility - if they do it they'll do it like ejamer said - re-releasing.  Think about it.  You could play Gamecube games on Wii, but how much money was Nintendo making off of that?  People weren't buying Gamecube games from Nintendo at that point.  They were either playing the ones they already had OR they were buying them used.

Look at my previous post-- if they manage a way to implement that (which seems almost inevitable) then Wii U compatibility is pretty much guaranteed at some point.

Plus, who says the system won't be compatible with Wii U GamePads or Wii Remotes too? There doesn't seem much reason to think they won't.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2016, 01:55:41 PM »
I don't see Nintendo finding a way to make backwards compatibility of any kind work when it's a lot more profitable to just re-release the games to sell. Not what I'd prefer of course, but it's what seems more likely.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2016, 02:05:08 PM »
I don't see Nintendo finding a way to make backwards compatibility of any kind work when it's a lot more profitable to just re-release the games to sell. Not what I'd prefer of course, but it's what seems more likely.
How about the fact that the wireless controls means it could always be compatible with Wii U GamePads and Wii Remotes? I think that's too easy for it not to happen.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2016, 02:15:58 PM »
I doubt Nintendo wants any Wii branding anywhere near Switch. Yeah, we'll likely get a port of Wii Sports Club and so on. Otherwise, I'm leaning toward Nintendo releasing Switch Remotes.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2016, 02:17:43 PM »
Well, they probably want people to buy new controllers too... and there is also no sensor bar for Wiimotes. Plus, I doubt it has the same streaming tech to handle the GamePad.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #33 on: October 20, 2016, 02:21:21 PM »

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Look at my previous post-- if they manage a way to implement that (which seems almost inevitable) then Wii U compatibility is pretty much guaranteed at some point.

Plus, who says the system won't be compatible with Wii U GamePads or Wii Remotes too? There doesn't seem much reason to think they won't.

Ok, I think you've had enough kool-aid... 

"Inevitable"?  Not at all. I'm not suggesting it's a bad idea to integrate with third party tablets, but that's a lot of cost and on-going maintenance for Nintendo to take on for very little profit.  IF this happens, and I consider that a huge IF, it would be more along the lines of Nintendo providing a spec that third parties could use to connect to Wii U if they care to make the effort... but even there I doubt it will happen.

And let's be honest: we've all seen many cases of Nintendo introducing peripherals and completely failing to support them. Your suggestion would create a similar use case, but with a much high effort required from them to test compatibility and much lower return on investment.

Remastering games to work with a single screen is a better business decision. It requires a one-time development effort, incurs no ongoing support costs, and provides "new" software presence on shelves for people to see and buy.

Let's be excited, but let's also try not to get carried away with speculation. Things could happen; let's not count on them happening until they are announced or (better yet) actually implemented.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2016, 02:43:28 PM »
Well, they probably want people to buy new controllers too... and there is also no sensor bar for Wiimotes. Plus, I doubt it has the same streaming tech to handle the GamePad.

Who says there's no port for a Wii Sensor bar? We haven't gotten a full look at the back of that dock yet-- there could easily be one.

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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2016, 02:57:41 PM »
Who says there's no port for a Wii Sensor bar? We haven't gotten a full look at the back of that dock yet-- there could easily be one.


God no. The last thing I want is to keep legacy accessories hanging around any more. I really want to box up any and all Wii items at this point.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2016, 06:47:25 PM »
They need to stop Wii and Wii U support and start fresh with Switch.

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2016, 11:23:35 PM »
I agree with Lemondade, they need to just bury the Wii branding.

Honestly before Wii U came along how many true upports did they release from previous consoles? I counted something like 15 or so TOTAL in their entire history.
Wii U is a damn dud, they need to forget about it and place it in the same file folder they keep all references to Virtual Boy.

We aren't talking about games that sold in the millions and there is potential for new customers, of those games were going to entice anyone they would have already done so. Switch needs NEW games in the same franchises. They don't need to patch in support for Splatoon they need a BRAND NEW Splatoon with new features, there is no need to go back and bother releasing a patch to play Super Mario 3D World, especially when there is a brand new, possibly superior, 3D Mario on the way.

This machine needs to quietly and quickly sweep all Wii branding under the rug and move on. I was only curious if it supported motion controls because I thought it looked like it did in that one shot referenced above. But I wouldn't care if they removed them for good. Not unless they are going to pursue VR which after seeing this reveal I am now not so sure they will consider that for a few more years.

But to say they need to find a way to get Wii U games on there is about as accurate as saying they need to get Virtual Boy games on there. The thing is this is not just the successor to the Wii U it is ALSO the successor to the 3DS, which means there is a whole back catalog of 3DS games that are also not going to get ported over, which is good, they need sequels they can re-issue all the old games that they want via Virtual Console but they would be wise to go back to Game Cube and selectively sift through the DS family and leave the Wii stuff entirely in the past, where it rightfully belongs.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2016, 09:31:47 AM »
Using half of the controller by itself looks uncomfortable and not like something I would be willing to do.  It shouldn't be any issue though as I don't see it being required for anything I would play.

When I think of Switch as a home console I am not too impressed but if I think of it as an awesome portable that can easily output to the tv (the dock seems to be just to charge the unit and send the signal to the tv) and make use of accessories like regular controllers then I feel a lot better about it.  As much as I love my 3ds I couldn't play it without the grip attachment I bought for it.  This looks much more comfortable to play than any portable Nintendo has ever released.  So I see it as either an ok console or the best portable ever.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2016, 11:39:02 AM »
As a home console if you are looking at Nintendo you are looking in the wrong place since about 1995. They have pretty much cemented themselves as a second console. But as a handheld they have always been IT, as in the only game in town that really mattered. This is about as close to pleasing everybody as they can ever get. Is it going to convert die hard Xbox and PS fans over? Not likely. Is it going to attract people that bought those consoles because the Nintendo offering was lacking in some way, sure very likely.

I see the console space like this. There are the PC gamers that can't afford PC gaming who buy an Xbox.
There are the Nintendo gamers, the old school old timers who grew up with what we call today retro. They split, half of them went to Sony, the other half split in two between Sega and Nintendo. The Sega fans split after Dreamcast into thirds leaving them a small, insignificant but highly VOCAL minority on the web. They are the ones that vocalize the most negativity towards Sony and Nintendo out of spite.
Then there are the Nintendo loyalists which are divided between the console and handheld units for obvious reasons. The console typically has the larger more "epic" games while the handheld tends to have the more pick up and play retro style games. The problem is the handheld has caught up to what most console gamers wanted and the console became stagnant so there isn't any reason to buy both systems because the console barely did anything the handheld didn't but usually the handheld had at least 30-40 exclusives the console gamers wanted to play but not badly enough to spend the extra $150 + to do so.


So the Sega fans will do what they always do, the Sonic fans will buy the Nintendo console and wait and see, everyone else, that's it Sega doesn't have any fans left just Sonic fans. So that userbase is gone they don't count anymore there were maybe 5 million of them total they are not dwindled down to maybe a million or less.

The SNES fans that migrated to Sony are the harder ones. These gamers stick with Sony because it's their best shot, its tradition at this point. They were Nintendo gamers for 2 generations and Sony gamers for 4 generations so their no longer Nintendo gamers. These are the gamers that bought a Nintendo for the 3rd party greats like Castlevania, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Doom, Final Fantasy, those games left Nintendo their fans did to.

Now they have grown up. This is where it gets tricky. The kids who grew up with Nintendo that split along those above lines, they are as divided as ever. But they DO have very strong warm emotional feelings for Nintendo that can be used to bring them back, but they need convincing most want something that doesn't skimp on the expected features. This doesn't have a disc drive and is not intended to be a Blu Ray player. We have come to terms with Nintendo consoles not playing movies on media. Okay but the world has now changed the tables have turned, nobody cares about disc media anymore they all watch Netflix. So that is no longer a deterrent from the Nintendo console.

Wii U was the last console that should have played movies on disc that didn't. But that wasn't likely a factor so its out.

Then there are the kids that grew up on Playstation. They never played the games the Nintendo gamers are fond of but they did experience the 3rd party games, the same ones. This is what unifies them, FF, Castlevania, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, etc, they are loyal to Sony because that is all they have known. Even the PS3 had a slow start it still had the games they expected it to have so they stuck with them.

They are locked in. Nintendo can ONLY win them back if they have the same stuff Sony does and Nintendo stuff but they aren't that excited for the kid friendly Nintendo stuff so they mock the rest and shrug them off. Those gamers are out they are firmly locked into PS4 and maybe are drooling over PS VR.

Then you have the casuals. These are the gamer that ONLY play their favorite sports game with their friends and pick up a few online shooters to say they are gamers but they don't really fit into the gamer culture. We call these people dude bros in a negative way but their a majority of the gaming public. They laugh at Nintendo for their unusual decisions. They might be enticed to get the Nintendo console, like Wii, if it has something they want, something cheap with a good party vibe. These gamers are always in flux but most of them want the latest console to play with their friends, they migrate when they have to, when the old consoles stop giving them new Madden games. This has been the hardest segment for Nintendo to keep because they are one segment but Nintendo thinks they are two. Nintendo thinks the Wii Sports gamers are into Wii Sports because it was pick up and play and not because it was a sports game. Nintendo thinks their Mario Sports games are real sports games and don't get why the casual gamers but hard core sports fans mock them. These gamers also pick up a Halo or GTA on the side because it's "cool".


The kids coming up, the new teenagers and the gamers coming into the mix are always up for grabs. They are the reason there is no brand loyalty in the larger market. This is why the Atari loyalists didn't flock to the NES when the kids coming up did. We knew about Atari, many of us seen Atari or had played Atari but Nintendo was where it was at. Our younger siblings they came up on Sega and SNES the rest split and went to Sony. The kids coming up loved Playstation because it had Crash, Spyro, Lego, etc.

Xbox is the odd duck. They literally have no reason to exist their machine is just a PC for the living room. PC's are dead gaming has moved on so I don't see them lasting for much longer so that leaves room for Nintendo and Sony to swoop in and pick up those gamers. There are loyalists to Xbox who are into the multiplayer scene and Nintendo can win them over easily if they can do multiplayer right and it looks like they did. Xbox did multi better than GC it had the 4 controllers local and it had Live. But Live is no longer and advantage for them.

That is way more than I set out to type most people will skim so there it is my ramblings for the day.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2016, 11:01:07 AM »
I think that there could be a touch screen, given how big the screen is as it's portrayed in the trailer. And if we see the release of a new Wario-ware game, or a re-release of super mario maker (which is very unlikely, given that you hook the whole console up to the TV and that would be really annoying), then we can confirm this. But again, this is just me rambling.

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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2016, 01:18:14 PM »
All I know is either it better have a touch screen for Virtual Console alone or they had better keep supporting Wii U Virtual Console for at least another 2 years, there are plenty of DS games I want to purchase for my Wii U that I haven't gotten around to yet if they had a way to get those games on Switch I would be into that.

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« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2016, 05:35:35 PM »
@sm2k
I had both an n64 and a playstation(and a Saturn)

I can safely say Nintendo 64 was better than Sony Playstation.

Playstation was all smoke and mirrors. The only thing Playstation had over n64 was FMV. All of which were fairly short at fleeting. If you watch those FMVs now they don't even look as good as modern games. When you actually played the games, the games on n64 80% looked better. All the Playstation fanboys were tricked and have continued  their brainwashing every since. I was one of those people that had a friend show off Final Fantasy VII to me, and I was unimpressed.

as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a ****. It stopped working a month after he got it. We just ended up having to use the Bluray player. For the most part, all of these systems play Netflix anyway. The only use of a Bluray player is playing movies not on Netflix, which you have to usually hunt down from a redbox(which itself has a limited selection), or a still in business "mom and pop" video store. Also worth noting, many Blurays come with Ultraviolet, which is a service that lets you stream the same movie off the internet.  Optical media is dead. But we're all on the same page there.

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« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2016, 06:08:56 PM »
@sm2k
I had both an n64 and a playstation(and a Saturn)

I can safely say Nintendo 64 was better than Sony Playstation.

Playstation was all smoke and mirrors. The only thing Playstation had over n64 was FMV. All of which were fairly short at fleeting. If you watch those FMVs now they don't even look as good as modern games. When you actually played the games, the games on n64 80% looked better. All the Playstation fanboys were tricked and have continued  their brainwashing every since. I was one of those people that had a friend show off Final Fantasy VII to me, and I was unimpressed.

as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a ****. It stopped working a month after he got it. We just ended up having to use the Bluray player. For the most part, all of these systems play Netflix anyway. The only use of a Bluray player is playing movies not on Netflix, which you have to usually hunt down from a redbox(which itself has a limited selection), or a still in business "mom and pop" video store. Also worth noting, many Blurays come with Ultraviolet, which is a service that lets you stream the same movie off the internet.  Optical media is dead. But we're all on the same page there.


I know this Perm, you have said it a thousand times. I meant my post as generalizations mostly. But you do fall into a smaller audience, like it or not more people had PS1 than N64 or they had both. In fact I had both, you said your self you had both.


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as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a ****.


I think we're on the same page, I was saying nobody is going to care this thing doesn't have Blu Ray its a non issue.

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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2016, 09:16:42 PM »
I said "but we were on the same page here"

half of that was rambling. We're all in agreement.

I'm also in the smaller percentage group that won their Playstation and didn't purchase it.  I wouldn't have bought one, but I'll take anything free. I don't have the same negative opinions of Sony's later consoles. They were much better systems. I feel like Playstations popularity is due to its hype alone, not it's prowess.

Here is an anecdote that is more rambling. I went over to my best friends house to play games. We had been playing Mortal Kombat 4 on Playstation. Well his laser sucked. He found that his particular Playstation read the disc better if he turned the console upside down. Some parts of the psx version of mk4 were better. Better sound, marginally better character models, some fmvs. The loading time......that was just infuriating. I've never been much of a fan of the dual shock controller. The original controller as a 2d controller is great though.
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Re: Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch
« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2016, 01:24:38 AM »
Ryo_Hazuki-san on Miiverse says the cards are different sized than 3ds (somewhat larger),

I noticed they looked bigger in the trailer.