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OK maybe not yet, but there needs too be a spoiler thread anyway=p
Post by: that Baby guy on January 21, 2008, 05:16:05 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 21, 2008, 05:33:30 PM
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 21, 2008, 05:50:10 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 06:04:52 PM
Is he going to be hidden? If so, why?
Post by: IceCold on January 21, 2008, 06:05:03 PM
Post by: nickmitch on January 21, 2008, 06:06:49 PM
IceCold: Yes, all 3rd parties are unlockable.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 06:07:14 PM
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Originally posted by: IceCold
I don't see Sonic or Snake.. so they're unlockable?
They are hidden characters. A scan re-confirmed that third party characters would be hidden due to their guest status.
Post by: linkogecko on January 21, 2008, 06:08:03 PM
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Uh oh...No Capt. Falcon in the starting roster. Is he going to be hidden? If so, why?
I guess the rumors of hidden characters in the original remaining hidden for this one are true. Jiggly, Luigi, Ness and the Cap. all got the same treatment.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 06:25:46 PM
I mean, all of these characters are on the Dojo. If the rest of the roster is secret then character reveals might be over...
Post by: Crimm on January 21, 2008, 06:46:23 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 21, 2008, 06:50:10 PM
Post by: Caterkiller on January 21, 2008, 06:51:48 PM
I told you goons that if any character was once a hidden character in either game it would be the same way in brawl! I knew it!
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 06:54:41 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 07:01:54 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
It popped up on 2ch...
2ch...as in 2CHAN?
HOLD IT!
How do we now this isn't a well put prank?
For all we know, he could've Photoshopped the screen and made a fake cover...
Post by: stevey on January 21, 2008, 07:05:26 PM
The backgrounds line up prefectly
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 07:11:45 PM
Also, I have the feeling the guy could be a jerk and don't reveal the rest of the roster.
EDIT: I checked the sources and it is safe, so there's no reason to worry.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 21, 2008, 07:36:11 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 07:50:47 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 21, 2008, 07:54:47 PM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 08:06:06 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 21, 2008, 09:12:37 PM
This is supposedly based off a collection of "legit" sources
Yes it is a mockup but many are coming to the conclusion that it is.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 09:39:30 PM
EDIT: Now that I think of it, he could be what Game & Watch was to Melee, a somewhat obscure character from Nintendo's history that is the last character you get.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 21, 2008, 10:31:24 PM
But if that was it for the roster I wouldn't mind.
We already got Pit, Wario and Sonic after years of begging, we have three cool gimmick characters in Olimar, Pokemon Trainer and ZS Samus, the Kirby universe gets a better representation and even Snake could be fun to play as.
Not to mention that the veterans have been upgraded so they may play even better than before.
So really, how could you ask for more?
If we get even more, fine, but what we have right now is more than enough.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 21, 2008, 11:13:03 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2008, 12:28:20 AM
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Originally posted by: insanolord
I can't believe that they'd include both Wolf and Falco over Krystal. I don't even know how they'd do two of those three Star Fox characters without them being clones.
That's the only thing I find iffy about the list.
Wolf I see them using due to a bigger villain presence in Brawl. But Falco over Krystal?
But hey, it wouldn't be SSB without weird character choices, eh?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 22, 2008, 01:03:31 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 22, 2008, 01:25:59 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2008, 01:36:00 AM
First off, EVERY single prophet has been saying that the final number is 35, myself included. Since 35 is a reasonable number of characters people could be running with it as being fact.
Second, the ROB mentioned is different in each list. Some claim that this ROB is ROB 64 from Starfox, while others say that its ROB the toy.
ROB 64 has already been debunked since you clearly see his trophy in the coin shooter game update, and ROB the toy is being used as a koopa like enemy. While they technically can make him into a character as well why would you take what is essentially a mild enemy and turn it into a certified Brawler? In that case we might as well make the Goombas playable too!
Finally, the fact that Krystal is not in the roster baffles me. Out of all the characters in the Starfox universe Krystal is both the most popular and most developed character. If you played Starfox Command you know what I am talking about. Not only that but her voice actress dropped the hint of her being in the game in her website. While she could just be voicing an AT or a cutscene in the SE mode why was it deleted the minute people paid attention to it?
So if you combine those facts it looks as if the list is questionable and might have been created in order to annoy and disappoint fans.
People have been throwing around that list a lot lately. Since its very believable who's to say that people saw it and ran away with it? What better way to prank people than with a disappointing but credible roster?
Once again, I HATE to act all optimistic about this since I KNOW the roster will be disappointing in some ways, but unless the screenshots are posted in the next 24 hours confirming it this list can still be considered BS.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 22, 2008, 01:53:07 AM
I personally, don't believe that list that GP linked to. It just is too convenient with no surprises, and the formatting looks too much like they are trying to copy the look of the Brawl design and not doing it properly. It just looks fan made.
Now, what is interesting is this supposed game leak. This feels legit. The character select screen shown is what you would expect...and I wouldn't be surprised if that character select screen actually already has some hidden characters unlocked. Also, people asking how they will put additional characters in the game beyond the obvious spots...I believe that Melee actually shrank the icon boxes later when they added more characters. I seem to remember that, but it might have been my imagination.
Also, by keeping some veterans unlocked it gives gamers more characters to have in the new challenger approaching battles, that are always enjoyable.
I think Krystal will show up in the game, because she would be a great random surprise character from Nintendo. I do not see ROB as being playable sense he is already represented in the game in the adventure mode.
I hope if this leaker truly has the Smash Bros. Brawl game that he sets it up to play with 4 people and leaves for like 24 hours so we can unlock most characters soon. If I remember how the Gamecube worked. 4 people and 24 hours would mean 96 hours of gameplay...that should unlock quite a few characters.
Post by: UncleBob on January 22, 2008, 02:22:13 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2008, 02:29:33 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2008, 02:31:33 AM
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Originally posted by: UncleBob
I don't understand why people think Krystal is more likely to be in the game then Falco. Falco has been a part of the StarFox series since first game. Krystal has been in the most recent two titles. Falco has actually appeared in the Smash Bros series. Why is Krystal more likely?
Like I already said, Krystal is a popular character among Starfox fans. Nintendo has given her a lot of attention in the recent Starfox games, with "Command" developing her love affair with Fox and probably Wolf. Krystal is pretty much a part of Fox like Zelda is a part of Link. Finally, she has some votes in the most requested list.
To me, Krystal represents the latest Starfox developments and since the SSB series is all about updating its characters it would be weird not to see Krystal in any shape or form.
Once again, I REALLY hate to act optimistic about this. The reason why is because this is shaping up A LOT like Melee; lots and lots of hype, lots of speculation all to be destroyed by a lineup reveal. It got to the point where I either dismissed the characters or try to look at it in a positive light.
Post by: UncleBob on January 22, 2008, 03:01:26 AM
I'm not saying Krystal can't/won't be in there. I'm just saying it seems like not good thinking to assume a list is wrong because it has a veteran fighter that's been around since the start of the series in 1993 and not a newcomer that was just introduced in 2002.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 03:21:34 AM
I'm still in denial over the list mainly for the fact that Wolf, Falco, and Fox seem REALLY redundant...I really can't see them NOT making a clone out of either of the two we have yet to see...
Post by: UncleBob on January 22, 2008, 03:30:35 AM
I'm still sad there's no Captain N.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 03:56:59 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2008, 04:21:53 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 22, 2008, 04:39:17 AM
...and STILL no game footage.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 04:42:39 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 04:54:30 AM
Oh, if that is a mock up of the real final select screen why is Jigglypuff at the bottom of the Pokemon column when Marth and Ness are at the top of their respective franchise columns? She appeared in Smash Bros before either Lucario or PKMN Trainer, and she appeared in the Pokemon games before Lucario.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 22, 2008, 05:06:01 AM
And there are 14 secret characters, 9 of which are veteran fighters(im counting WW LINK as well) and 2 who we have known about for months and months now.
Now don't forget Sakurai said he wasn't going to get all hung up on secret characters this time around, but you would think someone like Olimar or King Dedede would be held out as a secret character instead. Aside from ROB there aren't any doozies at all.
And I can't completely except the roster since we had no new representatives from, F-Zero(Pico would be great as a villian) Metroid, or Zelda. Ridley is a popular character and no bigger than Samus in the Melee opening. I think since he is doubted so much, he would be a nice welcome surprise.
Post by: stevey on January 22, 2008, 05:07:15 AM
Ashley and Midna are missing, there no way they're not in. Not to mention NO Malon!
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 05:10:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Well Anubis, supposedly it is a mock up of the actual roster. I just don't want to except it without Ridely...
I know, I was just questioning the placement within it because that is supposedly how the screen looks in regards to the character placement.
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 22, 2008, 05:22:33 AM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 05:27:13 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 05:38:13 AM
Post by: stevey on January 22, 2008, 05:40:25 AM
The Final Roster
-Mario
-Donkey kong
-Link
-Samus
-Kirby
-Fox
-Pikachy
-Diddy kong
-Zelda
-Pit
-Meta knight
-PKMN trainer
-Ike
-Peach
-Yoshi
-Ice Climbers
-Dedede
-Bowser
-Wario
-Lucas
-Snake
-Sonic
-C. Falcon
-Luigi
-Jigglypuff
-Ganondorf
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Mewtwo
-Falco
-Ness
-Marth
-Bowser Jr.
-Black Shadow
-Krystal
-Lucario
-Olimar
-Takamaru
-Ridley
-Midna
-Geno
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 05:48:15 AM
Why is Sheik in Zelda's portrait when ZSS is not in Smaus's?
- We have not seen Zelda's official character portrait yet.
Why can no one post a picture of the character select screen with one hidden character on it?
- There has to be an easy to get Jigglypuff (if she is not it) like character who would only take like 10 minutes to get.
Why only take a video of everything except actual gameplay?
- this dude has to have a table or tripod to set the camera on, and how hard would it have been to just tape a match?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 05:49:13 AM
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 22, 2008, 05:55:14 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
I'd actually be happy with that list if it was true Stevey.
Same here.
I just went on wikipedia to get some knowledge on Takamaru and this came up on the entry when I looked it up. lol
Post by: Caterkiller on January 22, 2008, 05:56:41 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 22, 2008, 06:05:07 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
Other questions that are starting to pop up in my head:
Why is Sheik in Zelda's portrait when ZSS is not in Smaus's?
- We have not seen Zelda's official character portrait yet.
Why can no one post a picture of the character select screen with one hidden character on it?
- There has to be an easy to get Jigglypuff (if she is not it) like character who would only take like 10 minutes to get.
Why only take a video of everything except actual gameplay?
- this dude has to have a table or tripod to set the camera on, and how hard would it have been to just tape a match?
This is what makes me question it.
Either...
A. It's fake.
B. The guy is being a douche by withholding information.
I don't like either option.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 06:06:05 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 06:09:13 AM
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Originally posted by: anubis6789
He is technically being a douche in both scenarios in my opinion.
ROFL
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 22, 2008, 06:15:28 AM
But I guess the other option is all he has is a PoS cellphone to take video with.
Doesn't explain why he only takes 4 seconds of video at a time, though.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 22, 2008, 06:28:01 AM
Post by: vudu on January 22, 2008, 07:22:57 AM
QuoteDid you just call yourself a prophet? You discuss video games on the Internet. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by: pap64
First off, EVERY single prophet has been saying that the final number is 35, myself included. Since 35 is a reasonable number of characters people could be running with it as being fact.
Post by: Plaguefox on January 22, 2008, 07:27:12 AM
Looks like legitimate video of the default character list.
EDIT: I missed the previously posted link, ouch. Well, here it is again since a link per page can't hurt.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 22, 2008, 07:32:30 AM
1. He could've made this in Flash and grabbed all the sounds and images from the Dojo.
2. The video conveniently cuts out just before the battle.
3. The announcer doesn't say "Pit!"
4. The announcer does say "Fight!", but on the wrong screen (he should say this just before you battle, not on the "Stage 1" screen.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 07:33:20 AM
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Originally posted by: Plaguefox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxrQiCz4_o
Looks like legitimate video of the default character list.
That is what we have been discussing.
Post by: nickmitch on January 22, 2008, 08:01:34 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
See this list nearly everywhere
The Final Roster
-Mario
-Donkey kong
-Link
-Samus
-Kirby
-Fox
-Pikachy
-Diddy kong
-Zelda
-Pit
-Meta knight
-PKMN trainer
-Ike
-Peach
-Yoshi
-Ice Climbers
-Dedede
-Bowser
-Wario
-Lucas
-Snake
-Sonic
-C. Falcon
-Luigi
-Jigglypuff
-Ganondorf
-Mr. Game & Watch
-Mewtwo
-Falco
-Ness
-Marth
-Bowser Jr.
-Black Shadow
-Krystal
-Lucario
-Olimar
-Takamaru
-Ridley
-Midna
-Geno
Do you have some links for this list?
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 22, 2008, 08:52:36 AM
http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2554&start=0
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
You have the one guy who's known for his Tekken leaks (the one who has revealed the rumour roster), and then you have the guy who knew that we'd be getting an update last week on the SSE power-ups saying that it's wrong...Both have a lot of posts and "ban-bets" riding on the issue, so it DOES make you wonder if an "incomplete" roster made the rounds...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 22, 2008, 09:43:20 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 09:45:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Smells like fake: it was a flash program, hence why it stopped before gameplay.
http://www.brawlcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=2554&start=0
Interesting, well I guess we won't no for sure until probably next week.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 22, 2008, 10:25:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
It's sort of weird how at NeoGAF you have two sources that are sort of at odds...
You have the one guy who's known for his Tekken leaks (the one who has revealed the rumour roster), and then you have the guy who knew that we'd be getting an update last week on the SSE power-ups saying that it's wrong...Both have a lot of posts and "ban-bets" riding on the issue, so it DOES make you wonder if an "incomplete" roster made the rounds...
Well the Tekken guys roaster matches up with what other leakers have said including PORTRAITofRUIN. PORTRAITofRUIN is someone who correctly leaked a lot of info on the Castlevania game Portrait of Ruin. So the 35 character count is looking to be the most accurate one right now.
Plus I don't see why anyone has a problem with this list. Yes 3 Star Fox characters is pushing it and Metroid should have had another character, but other then that it's a great list. Kirby, Donkey Kong and Mother all have more representation which they didn't get in Melee. They've added character from 6 new series which is already twice as many as Melee which only had 3 new series represented. Plus there's the fact that it's looking very likely they'll be no clones either, which means Brawl has the biggest jump in new characters from any Smash Bros series. The original had 12 characters, while Melee added 7 new and unique characters, while Brawl is looking to add 16 new and unique characters.
Yes it's dissapointing that Sakurai showed most of the Newcomers already and most of the unlockables look to be Veterans but when you add the entire roaster up, it's a very good one that has a lot of variety to it from a lot of different series that aren't Mario, Zelda and Pokemon like Melee had.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 10:39:34 AM
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Originally posted by: Luigi Dude
Well the Tekken guys roaster matches up with what other leakers have said including PORTRAITofRUIN. PORTRAITofRUIN is someone who correctly leaked a lot of info on the Castlevania game Portrait of Ruin. So the 35 character count is looking to be the most accurate one right now.
Yeah, but that's why it's weird...Why would this other guy be arguing it? He clearly has more information than the average joe, so it makes you wonder if different rosters ran through the grape vine and one or the other got confused...
Post by: that Baby guy on January 22, 2008, 10:41:09 AM
Of course, there's the fact that the earlier leaked picture was taken from a CRT, this leak is from a different kind of TV, so it's likely a different person. However, both their rosters match up perfectly. That's strangely coincidental if one of them is fake.
Anyways, there's more, but I forgot it.
Post by: anubis6789 on January 22, 2008, 12:25:05 PM
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Originally posted by: thatguy
If you're going to question the video posted, you need to be fair, and evaluate the solid support it has, too. For instance, many say it's a flash application, right? How do you explain the cursor's constant speed when moving, and the direct corners it takes? It's clearly receiving digital input, likely from the Wii-Remote. It's likely that a flash application's cursor would be controlled at least by a mouse, or some form of analog input, unlike what we see in the video.
Of course, there's the fact that the earlier leaked picture was taken from a CRT, this leak is from a different kind of TV, so it's likely a different person. However, both their rosters match up perfectly. That's strangely coincidental if one of them is fake.
Anyways, there's more, but I forgot it.
The cursor could have been part of the animation itself, and the fact that the cursor moves so roboticly actual damages the credibility of the video more because the it makes it appear that all the cursor was doing was following a predetermined path.
As for what kind of TV is being used I believe that it is a CRT with a convex screen because I see what appears to be glare in the upper left of the screen and a curve on the right side. It could still be the same TV that the fist screen shot of the supposed character select screen.
If it is more than one person doing this, even if they are not connected, they could be continuing this solely for the , I cannot believe I am about to say this, lulz.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 22, 2008, 12:27:22 PM
Post by: Crimm on January 22, 2008, 12:52:05 PM
Personally, I hope Krystal and Midna are not in it. Damn furries. Give us Sukapon instead.
Post by: Darkheart on January 22, 2008, 12:52:32 PM
THE GAME HAS BEEN LEAK THE GAME HAS BEEN LEAK~!
There is nothing leaked in this thread at all except perhaps the starting roster which is lame I dont care just tell me the missing characters and I will live in happy land.
Post by: stevey on January 22, 2008, 12:52:50 PM
edit: damn 3 people posted at the same time as me O_O
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 22, 2008, 01:24:49 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
I just love the name of this thread:
THE GAME HAS BEEN LEAK THE GAME HAS BEEN LEAK~!
There is nothing leaked in this thread at all except perhaps the starting roster which is lame I dont care just tell me the missing characters and I will live in happy land.
I wholeheartedly agree.
This is EXACTLY the reason why I wanted spoilers posted everyone with CONCRETE proof. All of this speculating is ruining the game for me.
At this point, I don't care if the secret characters are lame or the best thing EVER, I just want to know what's in the game and be done and just wait to play it in March.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 01:29:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Crimm
Personally, I hope Krystal and Midna are not in it. Damn furries. Give us Sukapon instead.
Sukapon's a furry...What now?
Post by: Dasmos on January 22, 2008, 01:50:37 PM
QuoteAhaha I'm glad someone picked up on this.
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteDid you just call yourself a prophet? You discuss video games on the Internet. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by: pap64
First off, EVERY single prophet has been saying that the final number is 35, myself included. Since 35 is a reasonable number of characters people could be running with it as being fact.
Post by: Darkheart on January 22, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
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Originally posted by: DasmosQuoteAhaha I'm glad someone picked up on this.
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteDid you just call yourself a prophet? You discuss video games on the Internet. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by: pap64
First off, EVERY single prophet has been saying that the final number is 35, myself included. Since 35 is a reasonable number of characters people could be running with it as being fact.
Nostradamus predicted BOTH world wars and that 42 characters would be in Smash.
Nostradamus > Gamefaq and nerdy prophets
Post by: Crimm on January 22, 2008, 02:30:40 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill AurionQuote
Originally posted by: Crimm
Personally, I hope Krystal and Midna are not in it. Damn furries. Give us Sukapon instead.
Sukapon's a furry...What now?
No. Sukapon's a robot.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 22, 2008, 02:38:55 PM
Actually, looking at the current known roster, there are 15 furries out of a 28 character roster! That's half! Crimm will buy a furry game and is a furry, confirmed...
Post by: MysticGohan on January 22, 2008, 04:11:40 PM
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Originally posted by: darkheartQuote
Originally posted by: DasmosQuoteAhaha I'm glad someone picked up on this.
Originally posted by: vuduQuoteDid you just call yourself a prophet? You discuss video games on the Internet. Get over yourself.
Originally posted by: pap64
First off, EVERY single prophet has been saying that the final number is 35, myself included. Since 35 is a reasonable number of characters people could be running with it as being fact.
Nostradamus predicted BOTH world wars and that 42 characters would be in Smash.
Nostradamus > Gamefaq and nerdy prophets
Ah, but ole Nostra didn't actually predict where or when they will happen, and the fact that WWII bit was a mistranslation, it was referring to a river not a person, ala Hitler. Given the fact that any person can make thousands of predictions at least a few is bound to come true.
However, I predicted Nintendo will be #1 once more, nearly a decade ago, OMG I got HAXZOR skillz! Woot!
Anyway, Where's Ganondorf? The three to be are yet complete!
Post by: Adrock on January 23, 2008, 09:15:54 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 23, 2008, 10:08:13 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 01:33:18 PM
Pikachu am bored by TVs... =(
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 23, 2008, 01:40:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Pikachu am bored by TVs... =(
Which is ironic, because it was a TV SHOW that developed his character to the point of massive popularity.
This proves further that the adventure mode will have some great character pairs!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 23, 2008, 01:42:08 PM
New CM! (shows off a new amazing acoustic version of the Brawl theme as well as a few new SSE clips!)
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 05:01:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhfQRTdSwiI
Post by: nickmitch on January 23, 2008, 05:56:26 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 23, 2008, 06:19:48 PM
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Originally posted by: TVman
Home run contest.
Awesome.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 24, 2008, 02:29:18 AM
On a related note, today's word of the day is: Roster. How fitting. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 24, 2008, 02:37:27 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
I hope that whoever does find the final roster first is someone on these boards, so they can refuse to reveal it until Smash Brother punches himself in the crotch.
How can you prove I'm doing it?
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 24, 2008, 03:14:47 AM
Post by: wandering on January 24, 2008, 04:44:25 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
If Samus doesn't become romantically involved with Sheik at some point, consider it a lost opportunity on the development team's part!
Fixed.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 25, 2008, 05:53:28 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 06:29:59 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The game was leaked...but where are my promised spoilers. I am depressed that the leaking community is so slow.
Here's what I heard.
Supposedly the leaked video and roster are real. The person who posted them belongs to a Smash tourney community, and from what I read they were going to get an early copy of the game. So maybe the reason we haven't gotten spoilers is because they must have signed an NDA promising that while they could have the game they wouldn't be allowed to talk about it till after launch.
...That, or the leakers are massive douchebags.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 25, 2008, 07:05:23 AM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The game was leaked...but where are my promised spoilers. I am depressed that the leaking community is so slow.
Here's what I heard.
Supposedly the leaked video and roster are real. The person who posted them belongs to a Smash tourney community, and from what I read they were going to get an early copy of the game. So maybe the reason we haven't gotten spoilers is because they must have signed an NDA promising that while they could have the game they wouldn't be allowed to talk about it till after launch.
...That, or the leakers are massive douchebags.
I personally see it as a good thing. It must mean the game is SOO GOOD that the people with early copies can't do anything but play Brawl.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 08:44:53 AM
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I personally see it as a good thing. It must mean the game is SOO GOOD that the people with early copies can't do anything but play Brawl.
*Stars a lame "Teen Girl Squad" act
Hey gals! Have you heard about Super Smash Bros. Brawl? It's SOOOOO GOOD!
Post by: LuigiHann on January 25, 2008, 09:21:45 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 25, 2008, 10:27:02 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The game was leaked...but where are my promised spoilers. I am depressed that the leaking community is so slow.
Here's what I heard.
Supposedly the leaked video and roster are real. The person who posted them belongs to a Smash tourney community, and from what I read they were going to get an early copy of the game. So maybe the reason we haven't gotten spoilers is because they must have signed an NDA promising that while they could have the game they wouldn't be allowed to talk about it till after launch.
...That, or the leakers are massive douchebags.
Wait which roster, the whole roster with Wolf and that or just the starting roster? Because I believe Famitsu revealed the starting roster yesterday.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 25, 2008, 01:12:16 PM
Post by: MegaByte on January 25, 2008, 01:55:29 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 25, 2008, 03:29:07 PM
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The game has been leek!
Post by: IceCold on January 25, 2008, 05:20:35 PM
Post by: anubis6789 on January 25, 2008, 08:26:56 PM
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Originally posted by: pap64Quote
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The game was leaked...but where are my promised spoilers. I am depressed that the leaking community is so slow.
Here's what I heard.
Supposedly the leaked video and roster are real. The person who posted them belongs to a Smash tourney community, and from what I read they were going to get an early copy of the game. So maybe the reason we haven't gotten spoilers is because they must have signed an NDA promising that while they could have the game they wouldn't be allowed to talk about it till after launch.
...That, or the leakers are massive douchebags.
How convenient, but if there was any kind of NDA it would probably cover all information regarding the game, not just specific parts (it is easier to have a broad cover then to have a pick-and-choose, specific set of criteria), so any info leaked would probably throw him into breach of contract (and if some guys on the internet can find out who the leaker is then you better believe that a multi-billion international corporation can).
This is of course disregarding the fact that a group of fans somehow got a copy more than a week early from Nintendo, who, to my knowledge, is in most cases extremely stingy with review copies, let alone copies for something of this nature.
I am sorry, I just do not find any of these leaks credible at all, least of which that video... oh, now videos. Yeah, that screen could not be faked at all
(I am assuming that this is from the same guy, because the all knowing internet said that it was).Well, none of this will matter in a few days anyway, cheers
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Post by: stevey on January 26, 2008, 04:01:11 AM
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=CYmNmm-bNns - Ikki(DDD) vs Masashi(Ike)
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=GsauAh98gS4 - Ikki(DDD) vs Masashi(Ike) 2
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQgkiTWSv8 - Ikki(DDD) vs Masashi(Ike) 3
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=4eWl-DCrjwU - Ikki(DDD) vs Masashi(Ike) 4
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DeBHzWM3Erg - Ikki(DDD) vs Masashi(Ike) 5
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=KzQfkwdnXDo - Masashi(Ike) vs T2 (Kirby)
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BIYQTuHCKQs - Ikki(Kirby) vs T2(Kirby)
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=eWWQ3CAYRr4 - Kein(Koopa) vs Ikki(DeDeDe)
Also prove that the leak videos aren't demos and that the character select screen Icons will shrink as stuff is unlock.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 26, 2008, 07:50:56 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2008, 08:59:14 AM
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cool, though would've been nice if they'd branched out a bit...
From the looks of things they might be tourney players. Not only did they pick the same characters they picked the basic level and barely used items.
Speaking of tourney players this comic pretty much nails how tourney players are like.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 26, 2008, 11:10:53 AM
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From the looks of things they might be tourney players. Not only did they pick the same characters they picked the basic level and barely used items.
And you are correct sir. The people that were playing in those video's are well known Japanese Smash Bros tournament players.
Even though it annoyed me that wouldn't play in any of the other stages except that one on Eldin Bridge the video's were really nice. We finally got to really see King Dedede in action and he looks to be a great player. Actually ALL the Kirby characters look to be really good in this game, which shouldn't be too surprising. Since Sakurai is no longer a Nintendo employee I'm sure he doesn't care about being accused of playing favorites this time.
Oh and here's another video that finally shows Pokemon Trainer in action. Charizard looks like a great character which is very nice to see.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2008, 04:15:58 PM
They list Pokey, Black Shadow, Alice the balloon kid, Hector from Fire Emblem and R.O.B.
If Pokey's in the game as a playable character Sakurai will have gained a dangerous enemy in the form of a big, hairy Italian.
Black Shadow from F-Zero would make sense as he's the closest thing to a villain the F-Zero has ever had. Since Goroh is out of the question and Blood Falcon is an alternate color for Falcon Black Shadow is the next best thing.
In all honesty while I would welcome the Balloon Fighter (as he would add another franchise to the series as well as an unique fighter) I wouldn't want the fighter to be Alice. She just looks so weird...Plus, the original BF design is more classic and iconic. On the plus side, though, it would add a female character to the roster.
I never played any of the FE games (I only saw SB play Path of Radiance), but Hector would make for a nice addition. We got sword users and hammer users so having an axe user would be a nice change of pace.
Finally, even though it might be out of the question R.O.B could indeed be in the game as both an enemy and a playable character. First, Brawl doesn't have that "WTF" character like Mr. Game and Watch was in Melee so R.O.B could fill that position easily. Second, just like with Tingle and Petey Piranha Nintendo seems to have a fascination with this character. He may have nostalgia appeal but if I'm not mistaken only a couple of games used him and he was a slow and clunky peripheral. But despite that fans and Nintendo love the little guy so don't be all that surprised if he's in the final game.
Post by: Arbok on January 26, 2008, 04:40:45 PM
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Finally, even though it might be out of the question R.O.B could indeed be in the game as both an enemy and a playable character. First, Brawl doesn't have that "WTF" character like Mr. Game and Watch was in Melee so R.O.B could fill that position easily. Second, just like with Tingle and Petey Piranha Nintendo seems to have a fascination with this character. He may have nostalgia appeal but if I'm not mistaken only a couple of games used him and he was a slow and clunky peripheral. But despite that fans and Nintendo love the little guy so don't be all that surprised if he's in the final game.
Meh... my interest in ROB has more or less passed, personally. The nod in Star Fox 64 was cool, as was the cameo in F-Zero GX. Him being playable in the latest Mario Kart was a definite "WTF" choice... however, would it be so another time? In all honesty I liked him being obscure and kind of a "wink, wink" cameo type of character. I think his role as a enemy suits him better.
As for a sheer random character... hey, why not Jugger? Even better would be in his "dress" appearance.
Yeah, okay, so Jugger doesn't stand a chance in hell (although I will be quite sad if Advance Wars doesn't get a single playable representative, as the series has earned it). However, I don't think ROB is in, and Nintendo has a rich enough history that if he was going for an off the wall choice Sakurai has many, many options.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 26, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
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Finally, even though it might be out of the question R.O.B could indeed be in the game as both an enemy and a playable character. First, Brawl doesn't have that "WTF" character like Mr. Game and Watch was in Melee so R.O.B could fill that position easily. Second, just like with Tingle and Petey Piranha Nintendo seems to have a fascination with this character. He may have nostalgia appeal but if I'm not mistaken only a couple of games used him and he was a slow and clunky peripheral. But despite that fans and Nintendo love the little guy so don't be all that surprised if he's in the final game.
Meh... my interest in ROB has more or less passed, personally. The nod in Star Fox 64 was cool, as was the cameo in F-Zero GX. Him being playable in the latest Mario Kart was a definite "WTF" choice... however, would it be so another time? In all honesty I liked him being obscure and kind of a "wink, wink" cameo type of character. I think his role as a enemy suits him better.
As for a sheer random character... hey, why not Jugger? Even better would be in his "dress" appearance.
Yeah, okay, so Jugger doesn't stand a chance in hell (although I will be quite sad if Advance Wars doesn't get a single playable representative, as the series has earned it). However, I don't think ROB is in, and Nintendo has a rich enough history that if he was going for an off the wall choice Sakurai has many, many options.
I agree with you about R.O.B, but like I said, Nintendo just loves the little guy and Sakurai might be crazy enough to make him both an enemy and a playable character.
So don't be too surprised if he somehow made it in...
Post by: Mikintosh on January 27, 2008, 08:51:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/ITP123
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 27, 2008, 10:48:41 AM
Post by: stevey on January 27, 2008, 02:32:54 PM
Post by: Mikintosh on January 27, 2008, 02:39:13 PM
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Geno confirmed for brawl (1:55 lower right)
Tiny blue or green splotch: Confirmed!
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 27, 2008, 02:42:34 PM
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Geno confirmed for brawl (1:55 lower right)
It sorta looks like him.
If you can collect his trophy then that means he's out as a playable character (unless that since this is the demo they included his trophy as a collectible trophy for the hell of it).
Post by: Caterkiller on January 27, 2008, 03:10:41 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 04:45:13 PM
Go Nintendo posted a shot of the character select screen with Marth unlocked. He is next to Pikachu, which is EXACTLY how the leakers said it would be...
So, we can kiss Megaman, AC character, Krystal, Ouendan, Ashley, Midna and K.Rool good-bye and hello to R.O.B...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 05:22:05 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 05:32:49 PM
In the second Ness is near Lucas and both Luigi and Marth are on the left side of the screen!
So are these fake or does the character select screen change around everytime you unlock a character?
Post by: Darkheart on January 28, 2008, 06:23:36 PM
Captain Faclcon
Ness
Marth
Luigi
Right now I am watching a SSE streaming vid hope you guys are catching on the burst wave of info.
Post by: Darkheart on January 28, 2008, 06:24:03 PM
Captain Faclcon
Ness
Marth
Luigi
Right now I am watching a SSE streaming vid hope you guys are catching on the burst wave of info.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 06:34:12 PM
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Confirmed Characters:
Captain Faclcon
Ness
Marth
Luigi
Right now I am watching a SSE streaming vid hope you guys are catching on the burst wave of info.
I mainly want to know the characters. I actually want to keep the SSE story and video a secret.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 06:35:47 PM
A) Extremely disappointed and hope Sakurai chokes on a cookie and dies a painful death (Ok well maybe not that extreme! He can choke on a piece of cake as well)
B) Moderately happy with some characters I want like K. Rool and Krystal
C) Super duper happy because MEGA MAN is in it
Post by: stevey on January 28, 2008, 06:51:08 PM
At least there's a green hill stage
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 06:53:54 PM
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Why did it have to be Marth instead of Roy, you can barely tell them apart
Same reason why we may get R.O.B. and Wolf, Sakurai likes being weird and random with no logical thought to his choices.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 06:56:35 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 07:00:37 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 28, 2008, 07:01:41 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 07:11:48 PM
Post by: stevey on January 28, 2008, 07:33:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xhLx10B8EA
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 07:36:04 PM
Rumors are flying around saying Megaman is a playable character!!!
...
...Actually, its Bomberman. I always get them mixed up XD.
Post by: stevey on January 28, 2008, 07:41:41 PM
ClownBoat confirmed!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 28, 2008, 07:45:47 PM
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Ganondorf has been confirmed!
Rumors are flying around saying Megaman is a playable character!!!
...
...Actually, its Bomberman. I always get them mixed up XD.
Ehhe, that picture with Bomberman in it was proven to be fake from what I understand. Looks more and more like we are getting uninspired secret characters of doom roster. (But hey at least Ganondorf is in that crappy secret character roster, the ONLY one I care about)
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 07:51:39 PM
And don't lose hope just yet. This is just from the SSE mode.
There's still other stuff to discover.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 08:52:39 PM
Not confirmed if he's playable or not. He is facing off against Samus and Pika.
All signs point to him just being a boss.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2008, 08:54:59 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 28, 2008, 09:14:56 PM
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Any real news yet?
Nope. The sites died after the Ganondorf reveal.
Brawlers are pwning the net.
BTW, even though there is still info missing looks like I am going to be right on a couple of things...And Golden will NEVER forgive Sakurai. She might even beat S_B in sending fire ants to Sakurai...
EDIT: Falco has been confirmed
So with him, nearly all of the returning characters are confirmed.
If Wolf is confirmed its all over...
Post by: optimisticlimbo on January 29, 2008, 12:01:19 AM
real? http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9917/brawlrosterhp8.jpg
mockup: http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w230/CLShortFuse/Brawl/fullroster.png
Could this be like last time where people didn't like the list so much that they believed it fake until release? Also notice that with the proper inserts into the rows, that 'real' picture would look like the 'mockup' and would give an order to why characters are located where they are. I just wanted to throw my two cents in. If the 'mockup' becomes real, I don't think I'll be disappointed, it's still A LOT of unique fighters this time around.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 29, 2008, 12:50:12 AM
Post by: Darkheart on January 29, 2008, 12:59:02 AM
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 01:28:13 AM
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Yup and ROB has just been confirmed so this pretty much confirms the 35 character list. . . I wasnt a fan of it to begin with but then this should mean that WW Link is in. . .
Same... so this means we only have three female characters in the entire roster? (well... four if someone wants to count Jigglypuff)
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 29, 2008, 01:34:41 AM
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 02:27:17 AM
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People need to quit playing SSE and unlock the other playables.
That how you unlock 95% of all the characters.....
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2008, 03:09:37 AM
There is room for 36 characters for those two rows....if they are completely filled.
So it looks like the roster will be either 35 or 36.
We also have a good idea then what the roster will be. But, there could be a nice surprise with the 36 character.
So lets see what it looks like with speculated characters.
That list shows the unlocks of:
Luigi, Marth, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon, NESS
Who we know is also in the game is:
Ganondorf, Sonic, Snake, Peach, Zelda, Kirby, Meta Knight, Yoshi, Jigglypuff, Lucario, ROB,
That looks like there is 5 or 6 more unlockable characters. I personally do not believe Wolf is a character, it makes no sense. I do believe Mewtwo will still be in the game. So that leaves some surprises possibly.
Post by: UncleBob on January 29, 2008, 03:24:39 AM
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2008, 04:13:30 AM
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Could that just mean that the person has beaten 59% of the SSE mode?
It definitely means he has only finished 59% of Subspace Emissary. But look at the character lists. I am pretty sure there will be a level to play for each character.
In fact when Sonic was revealed we saw him in the video going through a Subspace Emissary level...so we know at least a Sonic level is in. So I am looking at those columns and noticing that 36 characters can fit in that space. Why 36? Sure it could mean that there is only 35 characters and that last space is because of the odd number. Or it could mean 36 characters...and we don't know who all the other fighters will be.
I listed all the confirmed hidden characters (I think) and you notice that they were all pretty easily understandable characters to include. (Basically every character from Melee will be in the game...except for a few clones.) So then the other characters who are they is the question, and I don't completely believe that original 35 list. Wolf just doesn't make sense...so I am hoping for a few surprises.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 04:16:34 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 04:29:31 AM
Spoilers about characters I guess
Ganondorf is still a freaking clone of Captain Falcon? With his only difference being his cool final smash where he turns into Ganon. And I also heard Ness and Falco are clones as well. Brilliant job Sakurai, you have 3 years and can't make a small roster clone free?
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2008, 04:35:27 AM
I think it would have been cool to add the twist of letting Falco glide or something.
Ganondorf being a clone sucks if it is true, but again, he had a defined play style, and we already have tons of sword fighters so why not let him be different...and he really didn't play that poorly in Melee...people just didn't like the concept of his move style not being original.
But if Falco is a clone...then why the hell would you have Wolf...wouldn't he be a clone as well. This is why I don't totally believe that list floating around. I believe it will be proven wrong, and Wolf will probably be replaced with Krystal or something...and I still believe Mewtwo will be in the game...but I will be glad if I am proven wrong.
Young Link will be nice, but again probably a clone, which is a shame, because he could of had some drastically different move set.
Post by: capamerica on January 29, 2008, 04:36:34 AM
Looks like the only new characters I'll be playing as will be Sonic and maybe Pit. =/ Other then that Its pretty much just Melee characters (Link, Samus, Pikachu, Zelda and Bowser).
After all the months of hype I was expecting something big to have been hidden, someone that would have made me really excited. Instead all the exciting characters were announced at day 1 (with the exception of Sonic, but we all pretty much figured he was in) I guess it was to much to expect after the weeks of crappy updates to the Smash site.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 04:45:03 AM
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Ganondorf being a clone sucks if it is true, but again, he had a defined play style, and we already have tons of sword fighters so why not let him be different...and he really didn't play that poorly in Melee...people just didn't like the concept of his move style not being original.
Ganondorf had potential to be a super unique character by mixing magic with hand to hand. It is a travesty that Sakurai decided to make one of the most important villains in Nintendo history a clone once again with close to 3 years of development time. Don't even get me started if Falco and Ness are clones as well, because such a poor, shallow, lineup of secret characters should have at least merited some attention to their movesets.
Post by: PK Ness on January 29, 2008, 04:45:35 AM
(BTW I'm not new to the forums just newly registered. I finally decided to join the brawl so to speak. Here's to the next few weeks as I think they will be crazy!)
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2008, 04:45:50 AM
God friggin' dammit...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 04:49:47 AM
Post by: UncleBob on January 29, 2008, 04:49:55 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 04:54:53 AM
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Hmm... I wonder. Could "clones" be in the game for some other reason than the game was "rushed" or "poorly designed"? I mean, seriously, knowing everything that we do about this game (without actually playing it yet, of course), would anyone really consider Brawl to be rushed or poorly designed?
I don't believe anyone said it was poorly designed. And what other reason would there be for clones in the game other than the game was rushed? Because if it wasn't rushed there wouldn't be clones, though I do not think the game was nearly as rushed out the door as Melee. It just makes me sick that they added so much other stuff to the game but couldn't make the whole roster (which is quite small) unique especially since this will probably be the last Sakurai Smash Brothers game.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2008, 05:10:23 AM
He couldn't even give the 'dorf a goddamn sword...dammit...
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 05:12:34 AM
Awesome roster, but crappy unlockables leading to major disappointment. Let's be fair, the starting roster is great, and Sonic and Snake are nice unlockables... but the rest? Most are veterans, while Lucario looks to, indeed, take Mewtwo's moveset. Ganondorf still being a clone is sad. I'm happy in a way, as I mained him, but he deserves his own unique moveset and they should have added someone like Black Shadow to carry the "heavy Falcon" mantel instead. Wind Waker Link is likely going to be Young Link reborn too, if Ganondorf is still a clone.
What I'm really disappointed at is what's left: Wolf and ROB? *sigh* I'm also disappointed at the sausage fest the game became with 35 characters, and only 3 being female. Really, I mean couldn't they have used Krystal instead of Wolf to help that ratio just a little?
EDIT: Oh, also, even though I didn't expect it at all... I still weep over no playable Advance Wars characters.
Post by: Sarail on January 29, 2008, 05:16:43 AM
It's looking more and more like Krystal isn't going to be playable either -- another HUGE loss for Sakurai as she would have made for a far more interesting Brawl fighter than most of the unlockables shown so far -- a bo staff-wielding furry with a few magical abilities.
Where's Ray 01, where's the AC playable fighter, and where's Isaac??! All of these would make for far more interesting choices than the current set of "clones" that Sakurai has given in to using in Brawl.
The game is going to be great, don't get me wrong. I'm sure it plays much better compared to Melee. But the inclusion of clone characters once again, and the fact that the game is lacking more unique fighters other than Olimar, P.Trainer, and Solid Snake makes me quite sad.
Maybe we'll get downloadable characters via the WFC?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 05:22:53 AM
Post by: capamerica on January 29, 2008, 05:23:55 AM
I really wish Midna and Ashley were in the game. They could have been really Cool.
Instead we got lame unlockables and REALLY lame trophies and stickers.
After seeing the remainder lineup and looking back at all the garbage that was put into Brawl, I actually don't feel at all bad that Sakurai is leaving Smash Bros. In fact I would be more then happy to help him clean out his desk.
Time to bring in someone who is more connected to the fans and cares more for the series.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 05:28:34 AM
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After seeing the remainder lineup and looking back at all the garbage that was put into Brawl and I actually don't feel at all bad that Sakurai is leaving Smash Bros. In fact I would be more then happy to help him clean out his desk.
Ouch, that is pretty harsh lol. You may have a point though, the series may need a new director to provide a fresh look for future iterations. Say what you want about Sakurai (And I have alot to say) he managed to craft a perfect fighting style, so a new director shouldn't have much trouble getting the foundations right.
Post by: Sarail on January 29, 2008, 05:38:36 AM
Midna + Wolf Link, Ray 01, Isaac, Micaiah, Jill from Drill Dozer, Krystal, Animal Crosser, Mega Man, Simon Belmont -- all of these would be MUCH greater additions than the unlockables seen already.
I'm a bit upset because of it, but I'm anticipating the game just as I always have.
Though, if a new Smash does get crafted in the future, maybe listening to the fans a little closer -- concerning character additions -- wouldn't be such a bad idea. o_O
Too many great ideas passed up for clone characters like Falco and Marth.
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 05:40:53 AM
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Too many great ideas passed up for clone characters like Falco and Marth.
Why is Marth getting lumped in here? He plays nothing like Ike and without Roy there is no one left who he is more or less a clone. He may look similar to Ike, but the two have very different play styles.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2008, 05:45:55 AM
Post by: Strell on January 29, 2008, 05:49:03 AM
Forget that you know nothing about the development cycle of the game, that 9 new characters have been added, that an entire single player experience was crafted from scratch, an entire online fixture is put into place, and that just about everything in the game has been overhauled.
You're upset because Marth is back.
Wow.
I knew at some point there was going to be an inevitable backlash against the game, but I damn sure didn't think it would be this early and from the fans who have been on baited hooks for the last 1.5 years awaiting what is going to be the biggest Wii - and Nintendo - game to date.
Christ. Gamers are so spoiled and whiny these days.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 05:54:30 AM
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If you are upset about the roster in the game, and blame it on "lame unlockables and lame stickers," you are an insatiable idiot, and are doomed to be forever disappointed in real life.
Forget that you know nothing about the development cycle of the game, that 9 new characters have been added, that an entire single player experience was crafted from scratch, an entire online fixture is put into place, and that just about everything in the game has been overhauled.
You're upset because Marth is back.
Wow.
I knew at some point there was going to be an inevitable backlash against the game, but I damn sure didn't think it would be this early and from the fans who have been on baited hooks for the last 1.5 years awaiting what is going to be the biggest Wii - and Nintendo - game to date.
Christ. Gamers are so spoiled and whiny these days.
Yeah, because it is too much to expect a relatively small roster to have unique movesets, especially for some of the most important characters in Nintendo history like Ganondorf. It is such a stupid exclusion, people have a right to be a pit POed, especially since most of us care about the fighters, with other modes/extras as secondary. I was willing to accept the leaked roster with ROB but only if they were all unique and didn't look like a lazy attempt to bump up the fighter number in a game that has been anything BUT RUSHED.
Post by: Strell on January 29, 2008, 05:55:39 AM
Every other fighting game has clones. Every single last one.
But oh no, Smash Bros has only some 25+ unique characters.
THE HORROR.
SAKURAI IS SO LAZY I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT WOMG.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2008, 05:59:05 AM
If NESS was starting then Lucas would have been a cool surprise...even if he was a clone.
It makes me wish that the unlockables were never shown like Snake and Sonic. I think it would have been a great round up if they did something smart like added: MetaKnight, Pit, Wario, Pokemon Trainer as the new starting characters and kept secret totally:
Sonic,
Snake,
King Dedede,
Ganondorf,
Olimar
ect..
Then the hidden character list would have appeared much stronger.
I must say, that I am not totally disappointed with clones...for instance I am really glad Toon Zelda is in the game no matter what.
What I am upset about is that the game is totally lacking female characters and ignoring the list of female characters they could of had great movesets.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:02:13 AM
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Originally posted by: Strell
You should have just stopped after reading "insatiable idiot," because it's obvious you're not going to listen to anything else other than your own diseased mind.
Every other fighting game has clones. Every single last one.
Good for those other fighting games. Also other fighters have 50+ characters as well, so your point? It is obvious you aren't willing to debate things and instead resort to name calling, so this is my last response to you. See in game design there are priorities, and it is a shame that the priority of Brawl wasn't on the fighters first and the extras second. Especially for fighters that people, you know, CARE ABOUT like Ganondorf who is from a popular series called Zelda and is right up there with Bowser. I kept hearing the excuse about Melee and its tight deadline and how they wanted make characters like Ganondorf unique, so what do they do after 3 years of development? Why let's make him a clone again! Wonder what the excuse will be this time?
Post by: Strell on January 29, 2008, 06:07:04 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Good for those other fighting games. Also other fighters have 50+ characters as well, so your point? It is obvious you aren't willing to debate things and instead resort to name calling, so this is my last response to you.
Lmao.
MAYBE 1-2 other fighting games have rosters that big, and those might be Capcom vs SNK and Capcom vs Marvel.
Which is a HORRID argument for you to make, since almost every single Capcom character controls the same, since they all have hadokens now.
Tekken, Virtua Fighter, Guilty Gear, Street Fighter...none of them have CLOSE to 50 character rosters, and NONE of them do not have clone characters. They all do it. I'm willing to bet they don't even have 25 unique characters in their rosters, but I'll go ahead and make it clear that such an assumption is just that - an assumption, since I barely pay attention to those fighters.
You're the one crying about how the development cycle was so painfully long and the developers are lazy, when in reality you don't know a damn thing about it at all. I don't know it any better than you, but I'm definitely not arrogant and ignorant enough to start whining about how Sakurai completely screwed everything up, even long before the game has been touched by my hands.
Give it up already. It's so annoying to have to listen to this kind of thing all the time. You could either get your dream roster and enjoy another 6 months of delays, or have the game sooner. Which is ironic when I consider that so many people have been so angry about the first 2 delays, and yet want more things to be added into the game.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 29, 2008, 06:07:16 AM
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Originally posted by: Rachtman
Though, if a new Smash does get crafted in the future, maybe listening to the fans a little closer -- concerning character additions -- wouldn't be such a bad idea. o_O
Come on you guys, you all sound like you haven't been Nintendo gamers for very long. This is the exact kind of disappoint Nintendo has always always always done.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:13:32 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Good for those other fighting games. Also other fighters have 50+ characters as well, so your point? It is obvious you aren't willing to debate things and instead resort to name calling, so this is my last response to you.
Lmao.
MAYBE 1-2 other fighting games have rosters that big, and those might be Capcom vs SNK and Capcom vs Marvel.
Which is a HORRID argument for you to make, since almost every single Capcom character controls the same, since they all have hadokens now.
You're the one crying about how the development cycle was so painfully long and the developers are lazy, when in reality you don't know a damn thing about it at all. I don't know it any better than you, but I'm definitely not arrogant and ignorant enough to start whining about how Sakurai completely screwed everything up, even long before the game has been touched by my hands.
Give it up already. It's so annoying to have to listen to this kind of thing all the time. You could either get your dream roster and enjoy another 6 months of delays, or have the game sooner. Which is ironic when I consider that so many people have been so angry about the first 2 delays, and yet want more things to be added into the game.
When did I cry about the development cycle being too long? In fact I supported the delays besides this last one which made no sense. In fact I believe I stated I'd support a long delay to touch up things. Heck I don't even recall saying the developers were lazy, just that the implementation of the fighters was not the priority it should have been and was, yes a lazy implementation, and that these secret characters appear to be dumped in again like they were in Melee. Please stop making stupid assumptions about me when it is obvious you have no idea what I did or did not support. Take a chill pill, and maybe have a civil debate.
Also believe it or not, but most normal fighters are more complex when it comes to the character move sets, much more than Smash Brothers has ever been. So that gives them much more flexibility than the limited movesets for Smash Characters. All I know is that they had 3 years to work on Smash Brothers Brawl with a solid foundation in Melee, and they still can't have 35 unique characters. That shows me that Sakurai didn't have his priorities in order and focused on other things instead of finishing the roster before he put his efforts into other modes.
So please stop with your ridiculous straw man arguments, none of us are saying Sakurai screwed up the game, but that he really let down many of us by not putting more of his time into fine tuning the fighters with unique movesets and maybe replacing some of the lame characters like ROB that no one wanted as a fighter. This is supposedly Sakurai's last game, is it too much to ask that he makes a unique cast of fighters?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 06:13:46 AM
Oh yeah, here's some unknown stages for everyone...
Mario stage - Mario Bros. Arcade
F-Zero stage - Port Town Aero Dive
Wind Waker stage - Tetra's Pirate Ship
Sonic stage - Green Hill Zone
Post by: PurpleLink on January 29, 2008, 06:15:19 AM
No Dr. Mario
My only starter that didn't make the cut. DAMN YOU NINTENDO!!
Post by: Sessha on January 29, 2008, 06:20:11 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 29, 2008, 06:27:07 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Strell
You should have just stopped after reading "insatiable idiot," because it's obvious you're not going to listen to anything else other than your own diseased mind.
Every other fighting game has clones. Every single last one.
Good for those other fighting games. Also other fighters have 50+ characters as well, so your point? It is obvious you aren't willing to debate things and instead resort to name calling, so this is my last response to you. See in game design there are priorities, and it is a shame that the priority of Brawl wasn't on the fighters first and the extras second. Especially for fighters that people, you know, CARE ABOUT like Ganondorf who is from a popular series called Zelda and is right up there with Bowser. I kept hearing the excuse about Melee and its tight deadline and how they wanted make characters like Ganondorf unique, so what do they do after 3 years of development? Why let's make him a clone again! Wonder what the excuse will be this time?
The excuse will be that people learned how to play as the clones in Melee and the developers didn't want to completely change how the characters played. I'm not saying that it's a good excuse (it's not), but that's what it will be if they give one.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 29, 2008, 06:28:54 AM
Also i've been trying to read up on the returning clones, but since brawl central is shut down by all the angry smash goons I can't get any more info. When I compare Mario to Luigi, I don't see a clone, their animations and attacks are way different enough for me. When I see Lucas and Ness, their smash attack animations are completely different and their specials are different enough for me as well, I don't see clone there.
Now for Ganondorf and Falco, does anyone know for sure that they are just like they were in Melee? EXACTLY like Fox, and Falcon, just with different speed and stats? If there are different enough animations in them that are as varied from Ness to Lucas I could live with that. Anyone know anything?
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:29:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Sessha
I knew this was going to happen. People are confusing what they think should be in the game with what is. I'm a lot happier about a more fleshed out single player experience then worried that there are clones again. The development time was longer but there is a hell of a lot more in this game then melee had. From the looks of it Ness is a clone because he seems to only be a driving point in the SSE, he protects Lucas from becoming a trophy. That's just my own speculation. But everyone pissing and moaning about what they wanted in the game is really annoying. Of course the game isn't going to have everything you want in it. That's incredibly stupid.
Kind of like a Ganondorf with a unique moveset? I still fail to see how wanting a clone free cast is too much to ask. Seems like people are trying to rationalize once again about why it doesn't matter, except this time they can't fall back on "Oh the development cycle was too short, better than nothing". Fine I think it is fair to say you can't have everything you want but there is a point where you have to draw the line. I believe wanting unique movesets is a fair place to draw the line, heck I'm not even that disappointed in the characters themselves but I expected there to be no clones especially with the massive development team they had.
Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 29, 2008, 06:31:06 AM
Can you imagine what all of your responses would have been if the full roster had been leaked before we learned so much from the Smash Dojo?
Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus/Zero suit Samus
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Marth
Mr. Game and Watch
Luigi
Diddy
Zelda/Shiek
Pit!
Metaknight!
Falco
Pokemon Trainer!
Ike!
Solid Snake!
Peach
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
King Dedede!
Lucario!
Ness
Sonic the Hedgehog!
Bowser
Wario!
Cell Shaded Link! (which I think is bitchin')
R.O.B.!
Captain Olimar!
Captain Falcon
Lucas!
And what, we think. . . Jigglypuff and Wolf!, right? I'm no stalwart fanboy and I can be pretty critical. . . but damn! Brawl seems amazing in every respect and looks to be delivering almost everything I've wanted from the series (and some things I didn't even realize I want, like the stage builder). Have fun bitching about Ganondorf being a clone and all, but just don't forget the big picture here.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:32:10 AM
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Originally posted by: Caterkiller
Do we know for sure Wolf is clone or not? Because maybe, just maybe, he'll turn out to be pretty darn unique.
Also i've been trying to read up on the returning clones, but since brawl central is shut down by all the angry smash goons I can't get any more info. When I compare Mario to Luigi, I don't see a clone, their animations and attacks are way different enough for me. When I see Lucas and Ness, their smash attack animations are completely different and their specials are different enough for me as well, I don't see clone there.
Now for Ganondorf and Falco, does anyone know for sure that they are just like they were in Melee? EXACTLY like Fox, and Falcon, just with different speed and stats? If there are different enough animations in them that are as varied from Ness to Lucas I could live with that. Anyone know anything?
From what I understand Falco plays like Fox except her has two guns, not sure how that changes things but that is what I understand. Ganondorf supposedly has his moveset from Melee but has Ganon as his final Smash (Hopefully it is cool). Then again this is from Gamefaqs that I gathered this, we'll hopefully know more later today. Wolf should be interesting to see though, if he is in the game, because I can't even imagine Sakurai making 3 cloned Star Fox characters.
Post by: capamerica on January 29, 2008, 06:34:03 AM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 29, 2008, 06:35:46 AM
EDIT: Especially R.O.B.
Post by: capamerica on January 29, 2008, 06:38:48 AM
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
Let me first say that I understand that many of you are pretty passionate about this and I'm not completely without sympathy. But seriously, we are all looking at an incredible roster. If there is any complaint to be made at all, it would be that we were already told some of the best surprises.
Can you imagine what all of your responses would have been if the full roster had been leaked before we learned so much from the Smash Dojo?
All the good surprises where all ready announced before today. Captain Olimar was the last good one.
everything today was pretty much garbage. Except for Green Hill Zone level. I could have easly lived without everything else that was shown off today.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:39:54 AM
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
Let me first say that I understand that many of you are pretty passionate about this and I'm not completely without sympathy. But seriously, we are all looking at an incredible roster. If there is any complaint to be made at all, it would be that we were already told some of the best surprises.
Can you imagine what all of your responses would have been if the full roster had been leaked before we learned so much from the Smash Dojo?
Mario
Donkey Kong
Link
Samus/Zero suit Samus
Kirby
Fox
Pikachu
Marth
Mr. Game and Watch
Luigi
Diddy
Zelda/Shiek
Pit!
Metaknight!
Falco
Pokemon Trainer!
Ike!
Solid Snake!
Peach
Yoshi
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
King Dedede!
Lucario!
Ness
Sonic the Hedgehog!
Bowser
Wario!
Cell Shaded Link! (which I think is bitchin')
R.O.B.!
Captain Olimar!
Captain Falcon
Lucas!
And what, we think. . . Jigglypuff and Wolf!, right? I'm no stalwart fanboy and I can be pretty critical. . . but damn! Brawl seems amazing in every respect and looks to be delivering almost everything I've wanted from the series (and some things I didn't even realize I want, like the stage builder). Have fun bitching about Ganondorf being a clone and all, but just don't forget the big picture here.
Actually like I said I have no big problem with the cast, I just hate seeing great characters like Ganondorf get gimped AGAIN. Will the game be amazing? Definately. But I can't help feel it is marred by the secret characters, especially those that deserved more attention even back when Melee came out.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:41:10 AM
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I dunno, the stickers, trophies, and R.O.B. sound pretty cool.
EDIT: Especially R.O.B.
Ehhe, to each their own I guess. Still I'm not sure why Sakurai put him in and not another character from his list. And if he has a unique moveset I will be quite upset!
Post by: Sessha on January 29, 2008, 06:45:58 AM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 29, 2008, 06:49:31 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 29, 2008, 06:50:08 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
I dunno, the stickers, trophies, and R.O.B. sound pretty cool.
EDIT: Especially R.O.B.
Ehhe, to each their own I guess. Still I'm not sure why Sakurai put him in and not another character from his list. And if he has a unique moveset I will be quite upset!
I don't see how he wouldn't have a unique moveset. Unless he's another clone of Fox.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
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Heh, yeah. . . that is a sad sort of irony when Ganondorf gets a cloned moveset and R.O.B. has a unique one. Err, at least I can't imagine who he would be a clone of, but stranger things have happened. Watch, ROB will be a clone of Snake!
ROFL, that would be hilarious if ROB was a clone of snake.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:55:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Sessha
I'm not getting my hopes up, but I'll wait until there is some credible evidence that Falco and Ganondorf are exact clones. I never used Falco so I couldn't care less. I'm more miffed that Captian Falcons FS is not his Galactic Falcon Punch. R.O.B. doesn't get me doing cartwheels but he could be alright, I'll just wait and see.
Isn't Falcon's supposed to be him riding a F-Zero car or something? (Don't remember)
Post by: Sessha on January 29, 2008, 06:58:52 AM
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Isn't Falcon's supposed to be him riding a F-Zero car or something? (Don't remember)
Yeah it is.
Post by: Caterkiller on January 29, 2008, 07:02:47 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 29, 2008, 07:03:05 AM
I was on the Smash Boards reading every thread and seeing the posters' reaction to each confirmed character and I saw myself.
"Don't worry! The Online mode will still be great!"
"Brawl will be the best game ever! It doesn't matter how crappy the roster is!"
"Give the guy some time! The SSE mode is huge! There might be more secrets!"
These were the exact, same things that I said when Melee was announced. My disappointment was so big that I was in denial about it.
As for Brawl's roster, looks like I was right on a couple of things. However, I would've liked to have been wrong on a couple of things.
No matter how much of a positive spin you put on it Clone Ganondorf is still pathetic. Sakurai had two, count 'em, TWO new Zelda games to choose from and create a move list. Wind waker had a two katana wielding maniac, and Twilight Princess had a strong and deadly warlock, who used one giant sword.
What is REALLY that hard to pluck some moves off of them and create an unique Ganondorf? I know I said balancing characters isn't easy, but Sakurai now had the time and the staff to do so!
But you know what? I already trained myself to handle disappointment, so even if the hidden character roster sucks I'm alright. I expected this, so its time for me to move on.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 29, 2008, 07:36:49 AM
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
Post by: nickmitch on January 29, 2008, 07:45:14 AM
Anyway, I'm just glad that the flood gates are finally open now.
Post by: NeoThunder on January 29, 2008, 07:54:04 AM
Smash bros. Intro Video
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 29, 2008, 07:57:29 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 08:00:01 AM
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So, with ROB "confirmed" what do we expect from a ROB stage?
Anyway, I'm just glad that the flood gates are finally open now.
He might not get one...Or considering the F-Zero stage is Port Town Aero Dive (remember the R.O.B. in the stage), it's possible that they might make it ROB's as well...
Post by: Sessha on January 29, 2008, 08:01:49 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as a Falcon knockoff? Ugh. I take it that people are going to ticked off to find out they changed the movesets a bit with characters like Mario right?
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on January 29, 2008, 08:31:30 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.
What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2008, 08:35:05 AM
But I'm still holding out for the LAST character to be someone other than Wolf and instead a TRUE WTF character.
ROB has been in 3 games lately (F-Zero GX, Mario Kart DS and Wario Ware). He's not a surprise anymore.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 08:38:21 AM
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Originally posted by: MikintoshQuote
Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.
What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.
Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 08:40:27 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 29, 2008, 08:46:05 AM
There's no reason to make it this hard to unlock whatever it is unless it's "special".
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 08:57:25 AM
Post by: tombo125 on January 29, 2008, 09:01:23 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: Mikintosh
I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as a Falcon knockoff? Ugh. I take it that people are going to ticked off to find out they changed the movesets a bit with characters like Mario right?
I assume the only other option would be to remove Ganondorf at this point. Yes, they had all kinds of possibilities for a moveset and yes, he is an important character in Nintendo games but they chose to focus on other things rather than Ganondorf. Anyway, why are you so sure that he is a clone?
And could we start a spoiler thread with only pictures please? I dont want to see any pictures from the SSE unless I choose to. I just want to know the full roster.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 29, 2008, 09:03:10 AM
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I'm guessing the final unlockable will be that weird blue thing, Tabuu or whatever.
There's no reason to make it this hard to unlock whatever it is unless it's "special".
If he's an unlockable character, then Brawl will be following the fighter's tradition: Have a boss like character that is all blue and/or shiny, hard to unlock and insanely powerful...
Don't believe me?
Virtua Fighter: Dural
Dead or Alive 4: ALPHA-152
Soul Calibur: Inferno
Post by: Mikintosh on January 29, 2008, 09:19:02 AM
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.
What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.
Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.
And I will respectfully disagree. The lightning bat thing is only cool is Link is batting things back to him, and you can't have that kind of interaction in a free-for-all fighting game. I can see where you're disappointed, but I'm honestly not. We didn't even know he was back in the game as of last night, and what they had him do in Melee satisfied my expectations of the character in a fighting game. Link's the more interesting fighter out of the two, anyway; Ganondorf's just cool as a character, and as such, they gave him good facetime in SSE, as it seems.
Also I just realized why Ridley isn't in the game: Charizard. They'd control almost exactly the same, I think, and it'd lessen the coolness of the Pokemon trainer if they had doubles. Just be happy he's in the game at all...
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 09:26:42 AM
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No, closest I've seen so far is this pretty fake-looking image that includes Gulliver in his possible spot.
Who is Gulliver? All I see is someone named Johnny. Edit: just figured out. He is from Animal Crossing.
Edit: Any why is some writing in english and some in Japanese(sp)?
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 09:53:16 AM
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I dunno, I just finished Twilight Princess, and the Ganondorf boss fight was "cloned" from the Armored Knight fights, if you want to get picky about it. Why would they give him a sword if Link already has one?
As for clones (and as other people have said, we don't even know their moves), I don't find it as big of a deal as you guys seem to take it. Even in Melee they were different enough to give me a different experience when I played as them, and many people grew an attachment to them over the years; making them entirely different would have messed that up, imo.
And while you're all whining about them being lazy, keep in mind they already had to create entirely new fighting styles for Pit, Wario, Zero Suit Samus, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong, Metaknight, Snake, Sonic, Dedede, Olimar, R.O.B. and possibly Luigi. In addition to all the new stages, modes, and music, I'm sure that took up the entire 2 1/2 years of production time. People who want Sakurai fired for "not respecting the fans" after all the work he and his team have obviously put into this title deserve to have their Wii stripped from their person...also, forty lashings.
The only thing they did wrong was reveal so many of the unique characters in the opening trailer, but it was sweet, and as a PR bonanza, it certainly worked. Why don't you guys just think about how you're going to like playing the game in the future rather than concentrating on pipe dreams that the director felt unworkable?
I still can't believe people defend Ganondorf clone. You realize you are saying one of the most important villains in Nintendo history is "fine" as a clone of Falcon? I can't believe people can rationalize that. Ganondorf has/had a chance to be a great character mixing magic with his moveset. Instead we get a brawler, and one that was originally defended as a clone because of a tight schedule, now because of that tight schedule his moveset is set in stone as Falcon? Ugh.
What I'm saying is is if Sakurai and his team thought there was a better set of moves to give to him, they probably would have. The boss battles with Ganondorf in the Zelda games were exciting, sure, but he didn't have a lot of moves they would translate to a fighting game they aren't already represented with his Falcon-esque brawling moves.
Well you are being respectful so I'll respectfully respond back. I don't buy the explanation that Ganondorf couldn't be changed and still work. Heck if anything they should have given him his lightning ball that you can bat around. They could have been creative with other aspects as well, heck even giving him a sword would have been a change since he has had one in the last two games.
I just wanted to add space. But Lucario looks cool
Post by: anubis6789 on January 29, 2008, 10:18:09 AM
Besides Ganondorf though my major problem is that if they were going to include "clones", why not just bring back all the characters? Whenever I talked to my friends about the possibility of someone being cut out they would get extremely upset, while the mention of more clones only got a moderate grown. I also have a lot friends who liked Roy (and I like Pichu), were are they left in this? If Ganondorf is going to be a clone and the defense is because people where used to him that way, but other clones are missing, it just does not make any sense.
I find the roster as a whole to be fairly awesome, and while there are a few characters that I would have liked (Ridley, Takamaru, and Mach Rider as the new Falcon clone) it seems to have enough variety for me to be happy. And why all the R.O.B. hate? He could be an awesome, and in all probability, unique fighter, plus he was an early mascot for the NES (he was featured very prominently in the first commercials).
Post by: decoyman on January 29, 2008, 10:19:35 AM
Hey, what if Gulliver turns out to be the mastermind behind the SSE? I mean, the REAL mastermind? It would be pretty hilarious, if you ask me, and TOTALLY unpredicted.
(Well... unpredicted except for me writing that just now.)
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 29, 2008, 10:49:11 AM
Some of you are as ungrateful as hell. Baww Sakurai didn't make the game exactly like I wanted it to be so now it sucks. Some of you need to realise that Sakurai isn't making this game just for you, he's making it for the millions of different gamers around the world that have many different taste. Out side from having 3 Star Fox characters, the rest of the roaster is very good with lots of variety and much better representation of all the series then Melee did. Even though I would have wanted Ridley to be playable, at least he looks like a truly badass boss fight which makes me happy.
Oh and even if Ganondorf and Falco aend up being clones, that's still 33 unique characters in the game, which is still 14 more unique characters then Melee had. Actually if you want to get really technical and count all the different movesets as characters then Brawl really has 37 unique movesets which is 17 more then Melee had.
Plus lets not forget Ganondorf and Falco haven't been confirmed as clones yet. So far we haven't seen any video's of them in action. So for some of you to jump the gun like you have, is how should I say, rather stupid.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 10:58:57 AM
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Wow, just wow.
Some of you are as ungrateful as hell. Baww Sakurai didn't make the game exactly like I wanted it to be so now it sucks. Some of you need to realise that Sakurai isn't making this game just for you, he's making it for the millions of different gamers around the world that have many different taste. Out side from having 3 Star Fox characters, the rest of the roaster is very good with lots of variety and much better representation of all the series then Melee did. Even though I would have wanted Ridley to be playable, at least he looks like a truly badass boss fight which makes me happy.
Oh and even if Ganondorf and Falco aend up being clones, that's still 33 unique characters in the game, which is still 14 more unique characters then Melee had. Actually if you want to get really technical and count all the different movesets as characters then Brawl really has 37 unique movesets which is 17 more then Melee had.
Plus lets not forget Ganondorf and Falco haven't been confirmed as clones yet. So far we haven't seen any video's of them in action. So for some of you to jump the gun like you have, is how should I say, rather stupid.
Sure is alot of name calling. From what I understand a source stated that Ganondorf is in fact a clone, and I see no reason to doubt it since most things are pointing to that whether it be be his stance being unchanged or the lack of a sword. Ganondorf if he does turn out to be a clone would be very frustrating because they've had two chances at it and two more Zelda games to determine a unique move list. Also once again I don't believe anyone here said Brawl sucks now, that is exaggerating quite a bit, being critical of aspects of the game does not mean you hate the game as a whole.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 29, 2008, 10:59:27 AM
I also noticed WW Link is in it too, along with WW Super-Slicer Ganon, so I guess this game does have some redeeming qualities.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 29, 2008, 11:27:52 AM
Why take out Mewtwo? Why take out Dr. Mario? Why take out Roy? Pichu? I know players didn't like them, but it was because they were clones, right? So they were taken out because they were clones, right? So then, why does Ness have Lucas's final smash? Why does Falco have Fox's final smash? Aren't they clones?
And we're hearing Ganondorf is likely a clone, too. So I repeat, why not just leave the old clones in?
And then, of course, there's Mewtwo, who had no reason for removal, as far as I can tell.
Aside from that, there's one issue I have. Melee was rushed and still featured an entirely new engine, 29 stages, several new items, and 18 (or 19, depending on how you feel about Luigi) completely unique movesets. Brawl supposedly has 41 stages, only 12 more than Melee, but reuses at least six of Melee's stages, probably has 30 unique movesets, again not counting situations like Luigi's, and the only vastly improved feature is the sheer volume of items and assists trophies and also songs.
So I want to know why there's only twelve new movesets, why there's only forty-one stages, and things like this. I think it's pretty obvious that too much time was spent on the Subspace Emissary. I don't think this is a mode that's going to stand the test of time. I don't think it's something people are going to sit down and play a year from now, and I don't think there's even that many bosses in it from what I've seen, so all-in-all, I think they wasted development time on the entire thing. Granted, I didn't see what happened in between when Ganondorf and Wario became playable and the end, but as far as I saw, we had Petey, Rayquaza, Giant Diddy, some Golem thing, Taboo, and Ridley twice. This is what I saw when the game was up to about 60% completed. That's six bosses, not including Ancient Minister, Giant Bowser, and Master Hand, who are likely to be the remaining bosses. It just doesn't seem like the mode worked out the way it was planned. Basically, the story works in one of two ways: Characters meet, they join up, then fight together, or Characters meet, fight, then join-up and fight together. That's just about it, plot-wise. Honestly, they should have cut out all of the bland-looking side-scrolling stages for an extra boss, character, or whatever.
I'm just disappointed, because, to me, it felt like we were offered much more than it looks like we're getting. I don't know what my official reaction is going to be, if a person can even have an "official" reaction. I know I feel burned because Sakurai forgot that Smash, at heart, has always been a game based on multi-player, but I want to find a way to rectify this. I'm hoping Nintendo announces downloadable characters, or something like that, in effort to calm negative reaction from raised expectations, but I doubt that will happen. Maybe we'll see new stage ingredients added at some time. Maybe there's actually forty characters, with a new column being added, I don't know, but I'm going to figure out what I can do to tell Nintendo I want more. 35 characters is not "unprecedented" for a game like Smash Bros. It's wholly underwhelming, especially when everything new was announced well before-hand. 41 stages is not "unprecedented." We were told to expect amazing amounts, and we're not getting them, which is why I'm upset.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 29, 2008, 11:29:36 AM
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Sure is alot of name calling. From what I understand a source stated that Ganondorf is in fact a clone, and I see no reason to doubt it since most things are pointing to that whether it be be his stance being unchanged or the lack of a sword. Ganondorf if he does turn out to be a clone would be very frustrating because they've had two chances at it and two more Zelda games to determine a unique move list. Also once again I don't believe anyone here said Brawl sucks now, that is exaggerating quite a bit, being critical of aspects of the game does not mean you hate the game as a whole.
The only source on Ganondorf so far is one image of him without his sword. That doesn't mean anything about him being a clone when there's another image of him turning into Ganon for his Final Smash.
Does anyone stop to thing that maybe Ganondorfs sword is just used for one of his special attacks? Since so many people have been complaining about too many sword users, maybe Sakurai decided to have Ganondorf's physical attacks not use a sword as to not over do sword users. For all we know maybe Ganondorf's A normal attacks could still be similar to Captain Falcon but his B special attacks could be unique ones that involve magic and his sword.
Once again until theres's actual proof that Ganondorf is a clone, then anyone complaining about it is jumping the gun.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 29, 2008, 11:46:27 AM
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I'm just disappointed, because, to me, it felt like we were offered much more than it looks like we're getting. I don't know what my official reaction is going to be, if a person can even have an "official" reaction. I know I feel burned because Sakurai forgot that Smash, at heart, has always been a game based on multi-player, but I want to find a way to rectify this. I'm hoping Nintendo announces downloadable characters, or something like that, in effort to calm negative reaction from raised expectations, but I doubt that will happen. Maybe we'll see new stage ingredients added at some time. Maybe there's actually forty characters, with a new column being added, I don't know, but I'm going to figure out what I can do to tell Nintendo I want more. 35 characters is not "unprecedented" for a game like Smash Bros. It's wholly underwhelming, especially when everything new was announced well before-hand. 41 stages is not "unprecedented." We were told to expect amazing amounts, and we're not getting them, which is why I'm upset.
Alright, then do you have some medication you can take? I usually have some Alka-Seltzer when I got emotionally upset over not having enough playable characters in an upcoming video game, though I'm sure everybody has their own methods.
And if your argument is "i think they're ripping me off because, even though they're giving me new characters and new stages, it doesn't hold up to the exact number I would consider 'unprecedented'", then you're just never going to be satisfied in life, now are you? And Subspace Emissary looks great; the fact that they came up with that and 35 new stages AND a dozen new characters is impressive.
It's people like you that rip the fun out of these things. Remember back in the day when Smash Bros. was just 12 characters and a handful of blocky stages?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 29, 2008, 11:57:20 AM
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Sure is alot of name calling. From what I understand a source stated that Ganondorf is in fact a clone, and I see no reason to doubt it since most things are pointing to that whether it be be his stance being unchanged or the lack of a sword. Ganondorf if he does turn out to be a clone would be very frustrating because they've had two chances at it and two more Zelda games to determine a unique move list. Also once again I don't believe anyone here said Brawl sucks now, that is exaggerating quite a bit, being critical of aspects of the game does not mean you hate the game as a whole.
The only source on Ganondorf so far is one image of him without his sword. That doesn't mean anything about him being a clone when there's another image of him turning into Ganon for his Final Smash.
Does anyone stop to thing that maybe Ganondorfs sword is just used for one of his special attacks? Since so many people have been complaining about too many sword users, maybe Sakurai decided to have Ganondorf's physical attacks not use a sword as to not over do sword users. For all we know maybe Ganondorf's A normal attacks could still be similar to Captain Falcon but his B special attacks could be unique ones that involve magic and his sword.
Once again until theres's actual proof that Ganondorf is a clone, then anyone complaining about it is jumping the gun.
Well if Ganondorf turns out to have a unique moveset I will have no real big complaints about the game. Like I said before I do not think Brawl is going to suck, though I do think one aspect of it is disappointing but even at that I'm still super excited for the game. BTW could the reason for Wolf not being revealed is because the game has a time player counter and unlocks him after you put in so many hours?
Speaking of Ganondorf, it would be sooo cool if one of Ganondorf's alt costumes was his Wind Waker form! I know they've shown the trophy but I can hope right?
Post by: anubis6789 on January 29, 2008, 12:20:47 PM
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But Brawl doesn't have the original Mushroom Kingdom Sky stage with sliding platform, so all these new additions fail.
That was an awesome stage.
Maybe there will be a way to create it in the stage builder.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 12:28:45 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 29, 2008, 12:51:53 PM
Also I can't wait to see Sonic's stage in action along with Wind Waker Links stage. Wind Waker Links stage actually looks exactly like I always imagined it. Now I just need to see it in motion with music, which I'm sure will be the Wind Waker overworld theme. Hopefully they'll get the Wind Waker ending theme in the game along with Dragon Roast Island theme as well.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 01:01:55 PM
Somewhere out there, he's crying....
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 01:04:13 PM
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And then, of course, there's Mewtwo, who had no reason for removal, as far as I can tell.
Tell me about it... what a kick to the groin for me that was.
Yeah he wasn't popular in Melee, but it wasn't because of the character... it was because his moveset was underwhelming. So I was hoping he might be in and better balanced, but oh well.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 01:07:43 PM
or the good Move set Ganon got turn into a AT....
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 01:19:31 PM
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 29, 2008, 01:25:54 PM
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Well there is a roster that has been taking hold and looks like it may very well be the final one. Personally I think it is extremely disappointing but here it is.
This is supposedly based off a collection of "legit" sources
Yes it is a mockup but many are coming to the conclusion that it is.
So is this list pretty much confirmed? The screens (primarily image up254065) I see on gonintendo pretty much confirm it (order is pretty much dead on too), minus the inclusion of Wolf, which I'm guessing will be forthcoming. Let me say this, if this is the final roster I definitely feel let down. I really expected a more varied roster with the inclusion of some lesser known IPs, as well as the return of Mewtwo. Oh well :/
Post by: LuigiHann on January 29, 2008, 01:50:20 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 01:52:31 PM
Toon Link is rad, though, because his bombs explode in the toon-shading style...
Post by: LuigiHann on January 29, 2008, 02:08:08 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 02:09:37 PM
However, I've seen footage that confirm Toon Link works pretty much like Young Link (except much cooler)...His boomerang has no wind effect, so perhaps it does more damage or something to balance the loss? Dunno...
Post by: Sessha on January 29, 2008, 02:11:02 PM
Post by: Gylldas on January 29, 2008, 02:45:08 PM
Make of it what you will.
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 29, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
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What I don't get:
So I want to know why there's only twelve new movesets, why there's only forty-one stages, and things like this. I think it's pretty obvious that too much time was spent on the Subspace Emissary. I don't think this is a mode that's going to stand the test of time. I don't think it's something people are going to sit down and play a year from now, and I don't think there's even that many bosses in it from what I've seen, so all-in-all, I think they wasted development time on the entire thing. Granted, I didn't see what happened in between when Ganondorf and Wario became playable and the end, but as far as I saw, we had Petey, Rayquaza, Giant Diddy, some Golem thing, Taboo, and Ridley twice. This is what I saw when the game was up to about 60% completed. That's six bosses, not including Ancient Minister, Giant Bowser, and Master Hand, who are likely to be the remaining bosses. It just doesn't seem like the mode worked out the way it was planned. Basically, the story works in one of two ways: Characters meet, they join up, then fight together, or Characters meet, fight, then join-up and fight together. That's just about it, plot-wise. Honestly, they should have cut out all of the bland-looking side-scrolling stages for an extra boss, character, or whatever.
Ok. Wow, have we gotten spoiled. You just perfectly put this into perspective so I want to thank you.
12 new original move sets. That used to be an ENTIRE new fighting game...except it wasn't twelve new move sets it was just twelve characters. So twelve new move sets and new balance and game play mechanics for existing move sets sound pretty good. 41 different levels to play on...wow why is that not enough? It's 41 different levels.
Oh, and lets see too much time spent on Subspace Emissary? First off, I am thrilled they made a full fledged adventure game because that is what I played most in Melee.
But Subspace Emissary is not all they added:
Online Gameplay,
Co-op Adventure,
Co-op Event modes,
Tournament modes,
Create your own levels,
Replays and photos.
The game is filled with tons of goodness.
I am not directing this complaint directly at you thatguy, but many people complaining. This game is still amazing, and it is still going to be great. We worked ourselves up over wanting too much from this game...the truth is it is going to be great, and we should be excited to have all this news out.
Sure, do I wish other characters were added to the game...of course, I really wanted Bomberman and Mega Man as you all know...but Wow, what we got what we have is something special and amazing.
Olimar, Sonic, Snake, Metaknight, Wario, Zero-Suit Samus, Roy, Lucas, Pit, Lucario
Many of these characters were characters we have wanted to play for years...and now we can.
Post by: JonLeung on January 29, 2008, 02:59:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yneKqXxXT8o
Though it was probably posted before... >_<
Post by: that Baby guy on January 29, 2008, 03:09:33 PM
STATUS UPDATE!
Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2008, 03:33:16 PM
This is what happens when people get their hopes up and expect everything, its happened to me before. Learn from it and stop whining, by all gaming standards this is a great game. This is Nintendo people, and if you havn't learned that they don't do everything you want, halfass some things, and then do other things(great things) completely unexpected then you haven't learned anything from Nintendo.
anyone expecting Krystal should seriously take a reality check, she's a friggin non-Japanese British outsourced character.
Post by: that Baby guy on January 29, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 03:45:52 PM
Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2008, 03:50:28 PM
Reports that Falco and Wind Waker Link being clones and Lucario = fake-Mewtwo are a bit disappointing as well. I'm going to love this game to death. I just can't help but think that there are far too many blatant missed opportunities concerning the roster.... though that's based on 35 being the magic number. I felt that having clones (and near-clones like Lucas) after like 35-40 characters would have been acceptable.
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anyone expecting Krystal should seriously take a reality check, she's a friggin non-Japanese British outsourced character.
So was Diddy. Nintendo has accepted both Diddy and Krystal into their respective series canon.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 29, 2008, 03:59:06 PM
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Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2008, 04:22:14 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 04:29:35 PM
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bah, donkey kong needed more characters in the series, krystal is a dinosaur planet character.
Who has appeared in both Star Fox games after Adventures... she has been in just as many games as Wolf has at this point.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 04:49:03 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 29, 2008, 05:35:54 PM
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Cool costume stage
Oh, I was all excited about a "costume" stage, whatever that might mean...
I just saw a video of Luigi, and I'm very happy to see that he's relatively unchanged. He's my man!
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 06:12:56 PM
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I just saw a video of Luigi, and I'm very happy to see that he's relatively unchanged. He's my man!
Link?
Does he have his vacuum... or did anything seem different about him? I'm still wondering what his down and B is.
Post by: Dirk Temporo on January 29, 2008, 06:28:31 PM
I mean come on.
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I'm extremely disappointed that the only two unrevealed newcomers were Lucario and ROB.
I mean come on.
What about Wolf? And Lucario is... only kind of new, since he has Mewtwo's moveset (RIP...).
Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 29, 2008, 06:36:48 PM
Sorry. . . It's just that I almost puked from the unexpected awesomeness of the Electroplankton stage. Seriously!
I am SO happy right now.
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 06:48:28 PM
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cEeD7x1Bo
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 06:49:20 PM
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Toon Link vs. Gannondorf!!!
Make of it what you will.
Ganondorf looks like he is just as lame and uninspired as he was in Melee. Guess "jumping the gun" in regards to his clone status turned out to be true. Ridiculous.
Post by: stevey on January 29, 2008, 06:51:10 PM
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Olimar, Sonic, Snake, Metaknight, Wario, Zero-Suit Samus, Roy, Lucas, Pit, Lucario
Many of these characters were characters we have wanted to play for years...and now we can.
And many of us wanted a cool unique version of Ganondorf, but we got poked in the eye not once but TWICE.
Sakurai quote on Melee"Ganondorf? Who gives a crap about him, he isn't significant, Captain Falcon's moveset is fine for him."
Sakurai quote on Brawl "I am quite impressed with this King Deedee guy, now that is a villainous character who has made an impact on gaming, let's give him our utmost love and attention. Oh yeah, I guess we have to include that Ganondorf guy AGAIN. People are sure demanding for such insignificant characters. Fine, we'll change his model and give him the same uninspired moveset, that will make that cult following happy. Not like they matter, I mean who has heard of Ganondorf?"
P.S. Do we know if you can control Ganon? Or is it an automated final smash?
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 06:55:45 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Luigi Mansion!
Stevey, you can't hotlink to gonintendo images themselves... they will appear broken. Anyway:
Yeah, the unlockable characters are disappointing, but the number of stages that look to be in the game is really fantastic.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 07:01:59 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 07:06:12 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Fine, we'll change his model and give him the same uninspired moveset, that will make that cult following happy.
Actually, Ganondorf looks to have a new Up + B move, although I'm kind of sad as I loved the old one (I would rather the other B moves get replaced). You can see it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9sZ7NvHh0
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 29, 2008, 07:23:30 PM
I've been reading around boards and the last glimmer of hope is that you can unlock more characters outside the SSE mode, like in targets, challenge, classic, multiman etc.
They believe that at one point Sakurai said that you'll be unlocking most of the characters in SSE mode (some say that Sakurai said that 65% of the roster would be unlocked in SSE).
This is fueled even further by the fact that we are still getting new stages and that we have yet to see the 35th character.
Frankly, this is an attempt to try and gain false hope and deny that 35 is it. I know because the Smash community did the same thing with Melee.
Don't get me wrong, though. If we get a surprise megaton I'll be hyped. However, the roster has been confirmes, so its foolish to deny it.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 07:25:31 PM
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Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 07:29:05 PM
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This is fueled even further by the fact that we are still getting new stages and that we have yet to see the 35th character.
Actually, someone has unlocked Wolf, we have seen the character screen with his icon with a "new" above it. I have not seen any videos of Wolf, though.
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OMG just watched a ROB video in action and it is so dang goofy I have to laugh to myself or else I may cry.
Doh... link? Could people stop saying how they watched a video without linking to it... such a tease, as there are so many out there all over the place.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 07:34:05 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 07:38:09 PM
Now... does anyone have any videos of Falco? Still haven't seen squat for him.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 29, 2008, 07:44:46 PM
Post by: Robageejammin on January 29, 2008, 07:56:13 PM
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h7wtKDizEOM
I am happy
Post by: Arbok on January 29, 2008, 08:10:54 PM
Okay, so Falco is in this video. Everything looks to be same as before for him, but can anyone tell me what happens at 4:27? Exactly what is Falco hitting Pit with? Is that a item that he picked up and I missed it, or is that glowing ball a move of his?
EDIT: Some say he lost the reflector, and that this "boomerang" ball of energy is his new down and B, although reports conflict on what it replaces but it does seem to be a new move.
Post by: Robageejammin on January 29, 2008, 08:25:40 PM
Post by: WalkingTheCow on January 29, 2008, 08:37:59 PM
Post by: Dasmos on January 30, 2008, 12:02:53 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 12:03:33 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2008, 02:02:09 AM
Wonder if he's slower or faster than fox, Video needed!
Drop falco, put in Krystal and give her the staff!
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 02:27:21 AM
Post by: UncleBob on January 30, 2008, 04:34:16 AM
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Originally posted by: WalkingTheCow
I'm still reeling over the awesomeness of the Electroplankton Hanebrow stage. Am I the only one blown away by this bit of slightly esoteric brilliance?!
I am! That's why I linked to it!
Post by: Arbok on January 30, 2008, 04:37:24 AM
Why..? The only thing I can think of is that someone saw the most used characters at tournaments (Fox and Falco) and figured this was due to the characters themselves, rather than that it was because both were top tier before.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2008, 04:42:39 AM
Post by: Arbok on January 30, 2008, 04:54:26 AM
EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8
Video... to relieve the pain a little bit, at least he has a really cool aerial drill kick (up A)... but his B moves are all the same as Fox.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 05:14:18 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
You know what's funny, I kind of think, sure, clones are annoying, but I don't mind them... I was against the inclusion of clones, but if they were going to include clones anyway, they could have included more clones.
As much as I dislike clones, I can agree with this.
If you're going to have the damn things in the game, you might as well artificially inflate the roster to 40-50 with them.
Only getting 35 characters out of it is like failing at being mediocre.
Stages look nice, but who cares? We can make our OWN stages anyway.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 05:21:33 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 05:25:03 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Pre-made stages will always be better than user-created ones, that's not even arguable... =)
Given the sheer number of Melee stages which we had TURNED OFF in the level switch because we all agreed that they sucked ass, I think it's perfectly arguable.
In fact, the level switch was created for exactly that purpose.
But all that aside, you doubt the creative power of the collective SSB community when it comes to building stages?! Shame on you, Bill.
I'm quite certain user-made stages will become as, if not MORE, popular than the ones included. Good stages don't need flashing graphics or crazy crap going on to be good.On another note, after Wolf was unlocked, the player got the "all characters unlocked" message. It's over: 35 is all she wrote.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 05:29:58 AM
I can't wait for SmashBoard's popular "Really Damn Flat" stage! =D
I'm just an obstacle-loving person, I guess...I love having crap thrown at me that I need to avoid while fighting...
Post by: Arbok on January 30, 2008, 05:30:53 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm just an obstacle-loving person, I guess...I love having crap thrown at me that I need to avoid while fighting...
So did you miss the custom stage Stevey posted? That was full of hazards, and deaths caused by those hazards.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 05:38:05 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm just an obstacle-loving person, I guess...I love having crap thrown at me that I need to avoid while fighting...
Uh, yeah, someone posted a video of a stage which was entirely composed of ladders and platforms which fell off the bottom of the screen after you stood on them for too long.
And the "SSB community" isn't limited to Smashboards.
Post by: decoyman on January 30, 2008, 06:24:37 AM
Why keep the clones (Ganondorf, Falco/Wolf, Ness, etc.) and then replace MewTwo with Lucario (who apparently shares only one move with MewTwo from Melee). That's a scratch-your-head kind of thing to me...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 06:33:24 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2008, 06:36:21 AM
Post by: Mikintosh on January 30, 2008, 07:23:07 AM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Pre-made stages will always be better than user-created ones, that's not even arguable... =)
Given the sheer number of Melee stages which we had TURNED OFF in the level switch because we all agreed that they sucked ass, I think it's perfectly arguable.
I'll assume that's the royal "we" you're using there. I personally thought the only one that needed to be turned off was the unfair Icicle Mountain stage; the rest were great, and the ones in Brawl look even better.
As for the roster...who really wanted to see Mewtwo back, anyway? I never used him as he was too hard to control, and Lucario seems to be an improvement. I love the Pokemon games, but if Sakurai couldn't make him workable, then that's that. The guy's job is to make a video game, not fulfill the wishes of every single person out there. And in my opinion, what he promised, he delivered. You guys are just getting worked up because you found out about the clones last, unlike in Melee, where the original characters were split among the starting roster and the hidden one. Not really his fault.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2008, 07:35:05 AM
*ducks*
But I do understand those who liked him.
Post by: NeoThunder on January 30, 2008, 07:43:27 AM
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 07:46:01 AM
When I played with friends we usually ended up playing on Corneria, they hated moving stages, the only one I really disliked was Icicle Mountain. I'm looking forward to making stages personally made for certain characters.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 07:49:54 AM
"Uh, yeah, someone posted a video of a stage which was entirely composed of ladders and platforms which fell off the bottom of the screen after you stood on them for too long."
I guess I should have been more specific..."Things thrown at me that ties me to a stage" like karts driving by on the Mario Kart stage or the Grubdog trying to eat you on the Pikmin stage...It's not that I won't use the Stage Builder (I have some ideas myself), but in the end they are generic in comparison to most of the pre-made stages...But in the end it doesn't matter, because there are 41 pre-set stages and infinite custom stages...
Oh, and it seems you can't use custom stages online either, cue up more bitching I guess...
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 08:27:44 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2008, 08:30:48 AM
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Originally posted by: Sessha
Mewtwo was really unique, I'm not glad to see him gone but not too sad to see him leave. I would have liked it if they kept him in. It seems like Sakurai focused his character choices around the SSE, I can't see why Wolf would have made it in over Krystal especially with Fox's moveset. I'm not upset today, I know my friends will get a kick out of playing with Wolf even with his moveset.
When I played with friends we usually ended up playing on Corneria, they hated moving stages, the only one I really disliked was Icicle Mountain. I'm looking forward to making stages personally made for certain characters.
Wolf is awesome, I would have just traded Falco for Krystal.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 08:32:12 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2008, 09:01:28 AM
Falco, Ganondorf, Wolf, and Lucas all have quite a few differences from the characters they're based off of. They all have one B special move that's different. Plus some of Ganondorf and Falco's A moves are different and in the case of Wolf and Lucas, ALL of their A attacks are different from Fox and Ness.
Considering a clone is a character that shares most if not all their moves with the character they're based off of like the ones in Melee did, only Toon Link fits that description this time. So in reality Brawl DOES have 34 unique characters and only 1 real clone.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 09:08:51 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 30, 2008, 09:10:57 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 09:13:45 AM
I've heard that the dorf is most certainly a clone.
In fact, the only difference in any of the clones I've seen confirmed is that Falco can throw his reflector or something.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2008, 09:23:27 AM
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Originally posted by: LuigiHann
What are the differences between Toon Link and regular Link? Does he carry over any of Young Link's traits from Melee?
Pretty much Toon Link is Young Link with a new coat of paint. Compared to all the others who have different A attacks and their special attacks have more of a difference between them and the character they're based off of.
In other words Falco, Ganondorf, Lucas and Wolf were all given the Luigi treatment for Brawl. This is because Luigi was pretty much a clone of Mario in the first Smash Bros but in Melee they made lots of small changes to him that made the differences between him and Mario like Night and Day. Now maybe after awhile some people might discover Toon Link has a lot more changes we haven't noticed but so far he's looking like Melee's clones, while everyone else has been partying at Luigi's Mansion.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2008, 09:34:39 AM
Well Toon Link's Final Smash has finally been revealed. Now I was OK with everything else but this time Sakurai has gone too far.
:/
Post by: decoyman on January 30, 2008, 09:42:09 AM
Landmaster Tanks for one and all! Pikachu's will have little jaggy yellow tail and ears, and red circles on the sides.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST GAME EVER?
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 09:50:59 AM
This is the single most retarded thing I have seen. I am literally angry with rage.
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2008, 09:51:59 AM
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Originally posted by: decoyman
PERFECT.
Landmaster Tanks for one and all! Pikachu's will have little jaggy yellow tail and ears, and red circles on the sides.
THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST GAME EVER?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2008, 09:58:57 AM
seriously, there's so many useless characters in this game.
I'm stuck with Captain Falcon and the Mario Bros. again. While the rest of the world is using "Fox/Wolf/Falco/insert space dog/chicken clone here cuz they only play to win and be boring".
The number of Youtube videos featuring "competitive" matches that feature only StarForx characters will rise by orders of magnitude.
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 09:59:15 AM
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 10:01:44 AM
On another note, Luigi's Final Smash looks like my favorite so far.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 10:17:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Sessha
On another note, Luigi's Final Smash looks like my favorite so far.
What is it?
Edit: Wow, found it. That's crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24
Post by: Mikintosh on January 30, 2008, 10:18:47 AM
A certain someone does in fact make an appearance in Subspace Emissary:
....
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/RyderEXE/krystalbrawlcameo.jpg
(took this from a link on the Toon Zone forums)
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 10:23:11 AM
EDIT:Luigi Kicking ass and taking names
Post by: decoyman on January 30, 2008, 10:23:17 AM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Um, you guys realize that the Toon Link Landmaster isn't REAL, right? =3
... Wh-.... Wha-?
Bill, if that's true, then Sakurai's really done it this time. Toon Link in a Landmaster Tank is a stroke of genius so OBVIOUS that Sakurai must be a total idiot not to have included it! I mean, it's like a microcosm of Smash Bros... not only are there characters from lots of universes coming together to duke it out, but Celda Link in a Landmaster would have been that idea, BUT IN A CHARACTER. And for him not to take advantage of this is a philosophical and practical oversight the likes of which I've never had to experience. OH, I LAMENT YOU, SAKAURAI, FOR THE WOEFUL EXISTENCE YOU MUST SURELY LEAD.
Really, I pity him. It's just sad.
I don't know about you guys, but I have half a mind not to even buy the stupid game now, just because I no longer respect Sakurai and don't want to support his stupid work. If Sakurai can't complete the cycle, the very idea behind Smash Bros. of a melding of game universes, then I don't know what this world is coming to.
...
Does this mean no Pikachu Landmaster Tank Final Smash?
Post by: Nile Boogie on January 30, 2008, 10:54:58 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on January 30, 2008, 11:46:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Nile Boogie
Hey guys! I've been in a turkish prison for a few months what have I missed?
Sakurai finally revealed the final character roaster.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 30, 2008, 11:57:18 AM
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Originally posted by: decoymanQuote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Um, you guys realize that the Toon Link Landmaster isn't REAL, right? =3
... Wh-.... Wha-?
Bill, if that's true, then Sakurai's really done it this time. Toon Link in a Landmaster Tank is a stroke of genius so OBVIOUS that Sakurai must be a total idiot not to have included it! I mean, it's like a microcosm of Smash Bros... not only are there characters from lots of universes coming together to duke it out, but Celda Link in a Landmaster would have been that idea, BUT IN A CHARACTER. And for him not to take advantage of this is a philosophical and practical oversight the likes of which I've never had to experience. OH, I LAMENT YOU, SAKAURAI, FOR THE WOEFUL EXISTENCE YOU MUST SURELY LEAD.
Really, I pity him. It's just sad.
I don't know about you guys, but I have half a mind not to even buy the stupid game now, just because I no longer respect Sakurai and don't want to support his stupid work. If Sakurai can't complete the cycle, the very idea behind Smash Bros. of a melding of game universes, then I don't know what this world is coming to.
Okay then, why don't you just buy a board game instead? I hear the new Monopoly lets you play as a Razor phone!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 12:36:34 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2008, 01:03:51 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 01:10:34 PM
Post by: stevey on January 30, 2008, 01:11:24 PM
It's completely controllable
Post by: Sessha on January 30, 2008, 01:45:03 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 01:50:56 PM
Of course, that means I'll have to avoid the Smash Ball whenever I'm playing as her...
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 30, 2008, 01:53:27 PM
*Luigi use his vaccum (does he?)
*R.O.B., Marth, and Toon Link's final smashes
*Kirby in Sonic form
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 30, 2008, 02:10:18 PM
Post by: Sarail on January 30, 2008, 02:26:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
It doesn't appear Luigi uses his vacuum in any way, surprisingly enough...(I believe his Down+B is the Tornado Spin that he and Mario have in Melee...)
Completely missed opportunity on Sakurai's part. Luigi could have been an extremely fun character to play as. Instead, he's just a minor adjustment version of Mario.. *cough*clone*cough*
Luigi having his Poltergust enabled at all times would have allowed for a very interesting, and most importantly, FUN moveset. He could have sucked in his foes toward him for his "throw" action, spit out flames or ice as a Forward+B special, or even used it to hover as a third jump for his Up+B special.
I'm seriously disappointed in the unlockables. The starting roster, however, is amazing. And the game is going to be incredibly fun to play... I can't wait for it to hit stateside, really. But it just frustrates me to no end that we have three versions of the same character with small, minor adjustments -- tourneydorks are going to love it, sure, but that's wasted space when more unique, creative characters could have been introduced.
Post by: Tanookisuit on January 30, 2008, 02:28:33 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 02:57:13 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Does anyone know if Ganondorf's FS is basically Falcon's Final Smash but with a "Ganon" skin or do you actually have the chance to control Ganon like Giga Bowser?
It's actually a Ganon-shaped Landmaster.
Anyway, sucks (no pun intended) that they didn't at least give Luigi the vacuum in place of the Fludd. It could even have been the exact same move, just with air instead of water. Sigh.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 30, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
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Post by: Kurisu on January 30, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 30, 2008, 05:51:19 PM
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Originally posted by: Kurisu
Hey, who else thinks it would be awesome for WW Link to use the four sword in his final smash?? btw I'm a bit surprised we didn't get a second Mario, I was kinda hoping for his Paper version.
Paper Mario >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROB
Post by: LuigiHann on January 30, 2008, 06:17:50 PM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on January 30, 2008, 10:44:50 PM
-How many stages are there total? (Bill said 111, but I need proof)
-How many ATs are there total? Who are some of the characters not seen in the Dojo?
-What is the final number of trophies and stickers?
-How many songs are there total?
-How good and smooth is the online play
Post by: Chasefox on January 30, 2008, 11:23:07 PM
Post by: Sarail on January 30, 2008, 11:32:18 PM
1. She'd be another female member of the roster.
2. She's NOT a clone.
3. She carries a bo staff and has magic abilities.
4. Brawl is too much of a sausage-fest at this point.
Post by: UncleBob on January 31, 2008, 01:28:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Chasefox
Why does it sound like most people prefer Krystal over Falco and Wolf?[...]I don't understand everyone's obsession with Krystal.
It's because she's a chick and a damn furry. You missed the hawtness thread, didn't you?
Post by: Chasefox on January 31, 2008, 01:50:27 AM
But I'm not complaining about this game one bit, it looks like pur fun and amazingness...ok, I lied, I'm complaining about the release date...THEY NEED TO HURRY UP!!!
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 31, 2008, 10:29:00 AM
I totally did not say 111 stages...
The proof behind 41 stages is the same guy who knew the 35-character roster, so I think it's pretty confirmed...
Post by: that Baby guy on January 31, 2008, 03:39:18 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 31, 2008, 05:57:46 AM
Falco throws his reflector, but other than that seems to have all the same moves.
Looks like the clones are pretty much just clones after all.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 31, 2008, 03:15:45 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 31, 2008, 03:34:08 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
I just watched R.O.B. play. He is completely boring. He really doesn't do a whole lot of impressive stuff and is FS is lame.
Ugh, I know what you mean. His FS is perhaps the most boring final smash in the game. Oh wow look at rob spit sound waves out about 2 ft, so exciting!
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 31, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
I just watched R.O.B. play. He is completely boring. He really doesn't do a whole lot of impressive stuff and is FS is lame.
Ugh, I know what you mean. His FS is perhaps the most boring final smash in the game. Oh wow look at rob spit sound waves out about 2 ft, so exciting!
Well I feel the same way about ROB as I did Game & Watch. Uninspired gimmick characters, however, at lest G&W's final smash is awesomely hilarious.
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 31, 2008, 08:02:53 AM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenixQuote
Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
I just watched R.O.B. play. He is completely boring. He really doesn't do a whole lot of impressive stuff and is FS is lame.
Ugh, I know what you mean. His FS is perhaps the most boring final smash in the game. Oh wow look at rob spit sound waves out about 2 ft, so exciting!
Well I feel the same way about ROB as I did Game & Watch. Uninspired gimmick characters, however, at lest G&W's final smash is awesomely hilarious.
I've seen pics of G&W's final smash and it does look funny, much more creative than ::cries:: Ganon.
Post by: Nick DiMola on January 31, 2008, 08:26:23 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 31, 2008, 08:37:45 AM
Post by: ThePerm on January 31, 2008, 08:39:01 AM
and mr game and watch! uninspired gimmick character! blah, he is fun to play as, but really really light. I love throwing sausage at people, im sorry.
Post by: Mikintosh on January 31, 2008, 08:42:32 AM
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This thread is all f***ed up.
Looks like the central clock got pushed forward by eight hours for a little bit, but it's back now.
Post by: Smash_Brother on January 31, 2008, 08:48:19 AM
LUCARIO
B: Aura Sphere (Works just like Mewtwo's Neutral-B Shadow Ball attack)
^B: Extremespeed (Works just like Mewtwo's Up-B Teleport attack)
>B: Force Palm (Works just like Mewtwo's Down-B Confusion when he uses it twice)
vB: Counter (Works like Marth's Counter)
FS: Focus Blast (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VZh2oWZacm4)'
Sigh...
Post by: Armak88 on January 31, 2008, 09:50:17 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 31, 2008, 11:15:08 AM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on January 31, 2008, 11:57:23 AM
Post by: Bill Aurion on January 31, 2008, 12:03:02 PM
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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
Has been confirmed yet that you can have someone play with you at home against people online?
Yes, you can play with up to three people on one Wii online...
Post by: Spak-Spang on January 31, 2008, 12:05:52 PM
You know I would totally do that too. Even if it was just one character hidden really deep in the game. Of course it would be cooler and much more exciting if it was like 5 characters deeply hidden in the game. I know it won't happen, but still it would be nice.
Post by: stevey on January 31, 2008, 12:27:39 PM
Post by: Arbok on January 31, 2008, 12:31:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
Also, Lucario = mostly Mewtwo clone:
LUCARIO
B: Aura Sphere (Works just like Mewtwo's Neutral-B Shadow Ball attack)
^B: Extremespeed (Works just like Mewtwo's Up-B Teleport attack)
>B: Force Palm (Works just like Mewtwo's Down-B Confusion when he uses it twice)
vB: Counter (Works like Marth's Counter)
FS: Focus Blast (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VZh2oWZacm4)'
Sigh...
Well there seems to be conflicting reports on the extremespeed being like teleport. Aura Sphere is really nothing like Mewtwo's attack, though, except that it hurts people while he charges (it flies straight and quick when he shoots his). His Force Palm, while similar to Disable, at least cuts out the first part so it's more useful. Meanwhile, his A attacks are totally different. So he really is not a Mewtwo clone at all IMO.
EDIT: Hmm... more forum trouble it seems as this appears before others who posted before me.
Post by: Arbok on January 31, 2008, 12:41:28 PM
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Rumor Geno originally in Brawl, the Square-Enix got him removed because they have a death wish
Dude, that is the worst rumor I have ever read. Seriously, here is what the original source had to say:
"Every character in the top 10 of that list is in the game except Geno, who was the #1 character on the list.
IMDB.com lists the voice of Ness, Makiko Omoto, as doubling for the voice of Geno in the credited cast portion of its overview of the game. Finally, on the final character screen, there is an extra square to the far right where a "random select" box was implemented."
Those last two points were supposed to be "proof"? Anyone can update the IMDB listing, and wouldn't the "random select" box look odder if it was placed in a row by itself than at the end?
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 31, 2008, 01:04:08 PM
/thread sad
Post by: SixthAngel on January 31, 2008, 02:33:49 PM
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Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
Well I feel the same way about ROB as I did Game & Watch. Uninspired gimmick characters, however, at lest G&W's final smash is awesomely hilarious.
How is Game & Watch more of a gimmick or uninspired then any other character?
Falco and Wolf being Fox clones is expected. They have no distinguishing features besides looks, they are like Luigi is to Mario without individual games.
Its hard for me to complain about a game that has so much in it but I really wish that Ganon wasn't a Captain Falcon clone again. At the very least they should have made him an Ike clone with Roy's explosion sword so he could fight like he actually does in the series instead of his random kicks and punches.
Post by: SixthAngel on January 31, 2008, 02:34:32 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
Well I feel the same way about ROB as I did Game & Watch. Uninspired gimmick characters, however, at lest G&W's final smash is awesomely hilarious.
How is Game & Watch more of a gimmick or uninspired then any other character?
Falco and Wolf being Fox clones is expected. They have no distinguishing features besides looks, they are like Luigi is to Mario without individual games.
Its hard for me to complain about a game that has so much in it but I really wish that Ganon wasn't a Captain Falcon clone again. At the very least they should have made him an Ike clone with Roy's explosion sword so he could fight like he actually does in the series instead of his random kicks and punches.
Post by: DAaaMan64 on January 31, 2008, 03:21:20 PM
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Originally posted by: SixthAngelQuote
Originally posted by: DAaaMan64
Well I feel the same way about ROB as I did Game & Watch. Uninspired gimmick characters, however, at lest G&W's final smash is awesomely hilarious.
How is Game & Watch more of a gimmick or uninspired then any other character?[/quote]
Because his moves are nothing too exiting and I don't know that find as usable as other characters. However, I do need to add that I have less attachment to G&W than most of the brawl characters.
Post by: LuigiHann on January 31, 2008, 04:04:25 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on February 01, 2008, 10:22:09 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 01, 2008, 11:17:39 AM
What hurts the most out of all this is the fact that Ganondorf is still a clone.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 01, 2008, 03:58:56 PM
All the other character's FS have then growing insanely large, attack directly for massive damage (no pun intended), invade the screen with enemies and effects and are just epic.
ROB's FS on the other hand just has him shooting short lasers that while they do damage you have to get closer in order for it to be effective.
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
Post by: Smoke39 on February 01, 2008, 04:47:57 PM
Post by: Robageejammin on February 02, 2008, 03:01:26 AM
Its a shame because we all know we'll be playing this game for generations to come, and no matter what anyone says, it will be epic. But it stinks that the game is being overshadowed by an ongoing theme of lost potential. Its kinda like all of the deep, meticulous, insanely unexpected features in the game are just jaw dropping, but they forgot to embellish on the small, easy things.
Then again, NONE OF US HAVE PLAYED THE GAME! which is why I will say nothing more on the matter until I can experience everything for myself. Time to get back to counting down the seconds until one of my most anticipated games of all time comes out! By the way, I called my Gamestop recently, and mine will in fact be having a midnight sale. Hope the same goes for you.
Oh and heres a present: Countdown to Brawl
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 03:15:49 AM
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=95FRGAOU
Town Hall and Tom Nook's Store
Mute City and Cpt Falcon Voices
Final Destination Theme
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A0D96ELR
Battle in the Base
White Land
Waluigi Pinball
King K. Rool Ship Deck
Yoshi's Island
Yell Dead Cell
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=68MI7KWQ
Area 6
Go! K.K. Rider
Mario Tennis/Golf
Tokiwahe Road from Masara Town / Nibi City (Pokemon Bike riding)
Star Wolf
Fire Emblem Theme
Bramble Blast
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6XRB6AXK
Gourmet Race
Humoresque of a Little Dog
Main Menu
Ocarina of Time Medley
Pokemon Battle
Porky's Theme
Unfounded Revenge
Vs Ridley
Warioware Inc Medley
Wifi Waiting Room
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IY4ZIO5J
Ashley's Song (JP)
Attack
Butter Building
Encounter
Ending (Yoshi's Story)
Fight Against Team Galaxy
I Love Mike
Kid Icarus Original Medley
King Dedede's Theme
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Mario Circuit
NES Medley
Preparing to Advance
Sector 1
Space Armada
The Dark World
Theme of Samus Aran
Title (Animal Crossin)
Post by: Robageejammin on February 02, 2008, 03:40:39 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2008, 03:53:17 AM
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Originally posted by: stevey
Tons of brawl music! (good quality)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=95FRGAOU
Town Hall and Tom Nook's Store
Mute City and Cpt Falcon Voices
Final Destination Theme
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A0D96ELR
Battle in the Base
White Land
Waluigi Pinball
King K. Rool Ship Deck
Yoshi's Island
Yell Dead Cell
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=68MI7KWQ
Area 6
Go! K.K. Rider
Mario Tennis/Golf
Tokiwahe Road from Masara Town / Nibi City (Pokemon Bike riding)
Star Wolf
Fire Emblem Theme
Bramble Blast
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6XRB6AXK
Gourmet Race
Humoresque of a Little Dog
Main Menu
Ocarina of Time Medley
Pokemon Battle
Porky's Theme
Unfounded Revenge
Vs Ridley
Warioware Inc Medley
Wifi Waiting Room
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IY4ZIO5J
Ashley's Song (JP)
Attack
Butter Building
Encounter
Ending (Yoshi's Story)
Fight Against Team Galaxy
I Love Mike
Kid Icarus Original Medley
King Dedede's Theme
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Mario Circuit
NES Medley
Preparing to Advance
Sector 1
Space Armada
The Dark World
Theme of Samus Aran
Title (Animal Crossin)
Those files are no longer there, deleted for ToS violation.
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 04:26:46 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/un5qem
Ashley's Song (JP)
Attack
Butter Building
Encounter
Ending (Yoshi's Story)
Fight Against Team Galaxy
I Love Mike
Kid Icarus Original Medley
King Dedede's Theme
Main Theme (The Legend of Zelda)
Mario Circuit
NES Medley
Preparing to Advance
Sector 1
Space Armada
The Dark World
Theme of Samus Aran
Title (Animal Crossin)
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2008, 05:34:29 AM
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 06:04:56 AM
Town Hall and Tom Nook's Store
Mute City and Cpt Falcon Voices
Final Destination Theme
Battle in the Base
White Land
Waluigi Pinball
King K. Rool Ship Deck
Yoshi's Island
Yell Dead Cell
Area 6
Go! K.K. Rider
Mario Tennis/Golf
Tokiwahe Road from Masara Town / Nibi City (Pokemon Bike riding)
Star Wolf
Fire Emblem Theme
Bramble Blast
Gourmet Race
Humoresque of a Little Dog
Main Menu
Ocarina of Time Medley
Pokemon Battle
Porky's Theme
Unfounded Revenge
Vs Ridley
Warioware Inc Medley
Wifi Waiting Room
^#1-4^ see above post for #5
Sorry it took so long...
PS: All 314 tracks! (287 bgm - 1072MB) have been ripped and will be on the net by sometime tomorrow.
Post by: Mikintosh on February 02, 2008, 06:46:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Robageejammin
Speaking of Final Smashes, I'm just really bummed about Toon Link having the same one as Link. I was really looking forward to a wind waker FS. I was thinking he could stop, take out the wind waker, and using the control stick, you could direct a really strong wind in any directions for a few seconds. Think the Whispy Woods tree in the kirby stage but with more force so that even running at full speed wouldn't guarantee survival.
Its a shame because we all know we'll be playing this game for generations to come, and no matter what anyone says, it will be epic. But it stinks that the game is being overshadowed by an ongoing theme of lost potential. Its kinda like all of the deep, meticulous, insanely unexpected features in the game are just jaw dropping, but they forgot to embellish on the small, easy things.
Then again, NONE OF US HAVE PLAYED THE GAME! which is why I will say nothing more on the matter until I can experience everything for myself. Time to get back to counting down the seconds until one of my most anticipated games of all time comes out! By the way, I called my Gamestop recently, and mine will in fact be having a midnight sale. Hope the same goes for you.
Oh and heres a present: Countdown to Brawl
It's only being overshadowed by that because Americans without the game have nothing to do but complain until March. The tension will ease then, I'm sure.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 02, 2008, 02:55:40 PM
Here's the full list (27 in all)...
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\effect\assist\ef_barbara.pac, size:81600 off:2A13D480 - Barbara the Bat
\effect\assist\ef_customrobo.pac, size:53728 off:2A151340 - Ray 01
\effect\assist\ef_cyborg.pac, size:30944 off:2A15E520 - Grey Ninja(?)
\effect\assist\ef_devil.pac, size:11520 off:2A165E00 - Devil
\effect\assist\ef_excitebike.pac, size:7008 off:2A168B00 - Excitebike Sprites
\effect\assist\ef_goroh.pac, size:128 off:2A16A660 - Samurai Goroh
\effect\assist\ef_heririn.pac, size:128 off:2A16A6E0 - Kururin Craft
\effect\assist\ef_hmbros.pac, size:9824 off:2A16A760 - Hammer Bros.
\effect\assist\ef_jeff.pac, size:18336 off:2A16CDC0 - Jeff (Earthbound)
\effect\assist\ef_joe.pac, size:51456 off:2A171560 - Knuckle Joe
\effect\assist\ef_jugem.pac, size:128 off:2A17DE60 - Lakitu
\effect\assist\ef_katana.pac, size:8096 off:2A17DEE0 - Kat & Ana
\effect\assist\ef_kururi.pac, size:77600 off:2A17FE80 - Jill (Drill Dozer)
\effect\assist\ef_lin.pac, size:39520 off:2A192DA0 - Lyn (Fire Emblem)
\effect\assist\ef_littlemac.pac, size:17568 off:2A19C800 - Little Mac
\effect\assist\ef_metroid.pac, size:66528 off:2A1A0CA0 - Metroid
\effect\assist\ef_nintendogs.pac, size:22112 off:2A1B1080 - Nintendog
\effect\assist\ef_resetsan.pac, size:90848 off:2A1B66E0 - Mr. Resetti
\effect\assist\ef_robin.pac, size:18048 off:2A1CC9C0 - Isaac
\effect\assist\ef_saki.pac, size:65504 off:2A1D1040 - Saki
\effect\assist\ef_shadow.pac, size:67840 off:2A1E1020 - Shadow the Hedgehog
\effect\assist\ef_stafy.pac, size:53632 off:2A1F1920 - Stafy
\effect\assist\ef_tank.pac, size:23648 off:2A1FEAA0 - Advance Wars Infantry Sprites
\effect\assist\ef_tingle.pac, size:133216 off:2A204700 - Tingle
\effect\assist\ef_waluigi.pac, size:6944 off:2A224F60 - Waluigi
\effect\assist\ef_wright.pac, size:17632 off:2A226A80 - Dr. Wright
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 03:18:48 PM
32 tracks game rip (highest quality!)
sonic 01 is Seven Rings in Hand
Brawl soundtrack -1
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 03:59:27 PM
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Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Because I love seeing Smash_Brother in despair, I will give him more despair by saying that Ouendan/Elite Beat Agents aren't ATs...
Here's the full list (27 in all)...
\effect\assist\ef_ast_ridley.pac, size:128 off:2A13D400 - Ridley
\effect\assist\ef_barbara.pac, size:81600 off:2A13D480 - Barbara the Bat
\effect\assist\ef_customrobo.pac, size:53728 off:2A151340 - Ray 01
\effect\assist\ef_cyborg.pac, size:30944 off:2A15E520 - Grey Ninja(?)
\effect\assist\ef_devil.pac, size:11520 off:2A165E00 - Devil
\effect\assist\ef_excitebike.pac, size:7008 off:2A168B00 - Excitebike Sprites
\effect\assist\ef_goroh.pac, size:128 off:2A16A660 - Samurai Goroh
\effect\assist\ef_heririn.pac, size:128 off:2A16A6E0 - Kukurin Craft
\effect\assist\ef_hmbros.pac, size:9824 off:2A16A760 - Hammer Bros.
\effect\assist\ef_jeff.pac, size:18336 off:2A16CDC0 - Jeff (Earthbound)
\effect\assist\ef_joe.pac, size:51456 off:2A171560 - Knuckle Joe
\effect\assist\ef_jugem.pac, size:128 off:2A17DE60 - Lakitu
\effect\assist\ef_katana.pac, size:8096 off:2A17DEE0 - ???
\effect\assist\ef_kururi.pac, size:77600 off:2A17FE80 - Jill (Drill Dozer)
\effect\assist\ef_lin.pac, size:39520 off:2A192DA0 - Lyn (Fire Emblem)
\effect\assist\ef_littlemac.pac, size:17568 off:2A19C800 - Little Mac
\effect\assist\ef_metroid.pac, size:66528 off:2A1A0CA0 - Metroid
\effect\assist\ef_nintendogs.pac, size:22112 off:2A1B1080 - Nintendog
\effect\assist\ef_resetsan.pac, size:90848 off:2A1B66E0 - Mr. Resetti
\effect\assist\ef_robin.pac, size:18048 off:2A1CC9C0 - Isaac
\effect\assist\ef_saki.pac, size:65504 off:2A1D1040 - Saki
\effect\assist\ef_shadow.pac, size:67840 off:2A1E1020 - Shadow the Hedgehog
\effect\assist\ef_stafy.pac, size:53632 off:2A1F1920 - Stafy
\effect\assist\ef_tank.pac, size:23648 off:2A1FEAA0 - Advance Wars Infantry Sprites
\effect\assist\ef_tingle.pac, size:133216 off:2A204700 - Tingle
\effect\assist\ef_waluigi.pac, size:6944 off:2A224F60 - Waluigi
\effect\assist\ef_wright.pac, size:17632 off:2A226A80 - Dr. Wright
If someone would like to try and help me figure out what this last one is (it's a pretty generic file name), please be my guest...
Maybe them
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 02, 2008, 04:01:19 PM
Post by: ProfessorCFK on February 02, 2008, 04:20:13 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: stevey
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VINU3NIR
Doesn't work :-( Anywhere else that it can be found?
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 02, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
Side note- I was lurking Smash Boards, and stumbled upon this little gem:
"The only pre-existing models he took were probably the TP models of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf (albeit with a few tweaks and whatnot). But other than that, all the models are completely new, even Toon Link's. If his model wasn't, he would be cel-shaded, when he clearly isn't."
I love how they can't understand the difference between a shading technique and the actual polygonal model. Sakurai said he used WW Link's model for the assist trophy, and I'm sure he used it for the in-game model too.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 02, 2008, 04:40:34 PM
Post by: stevey on February 02, 2008, 04:45:06 PM
this should work - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VINU3NIR
Post by: LuigiHann on February 02, 2008, 05:11:03 PM
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 02, 2008, 05:14:48 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Rosalina AT was apparently BS...
huh. I was expecting more.
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 02, 2008, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 02, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 03, 2008, 04:18:26 AM
And no Ouendan/EBA AT means Brawl = fail. >
Post by: stevey on February 03, 2008, 09:09:06 AM
http://xane.gamez-interactive.de/Pub/Downloads/Misc/NochMISCer/SmashBrosBrawlOST.torrent
all 314 track, all named, all in mp3 format!
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 03, 2008, 11:54:15 AM
All I've been doing this weekend is listening to the soundtrack over and over again, it's just incredible. Never before has a game had so much variety in it's soundtrack, pretty much every style of music is in this game. Then there's the fact that they got an amazing selection of songs from all the series. Every fan of each series will find at least one of their favorites represented.
The ONLY negative about the soundtrack is the Sonic music though. It's obvious that Sega got to choose all the Sonic songs that would be put in. Metal Gear only has 9 songs, yet Konami was able to remix 5 songs for the game. While Sonic is allowed to have 12 songs yet Sega only remixes ONE song for the game. Goddamnit how f*cking lazy can Sega be. Konami is nice enough to give Sakurai new music for over half of the Metal Gear songs while all Sega is capable of doing is ONE song.
Then there's the fact that there's no variety in the Sonic music. The only unique song that stands out is Scrap Brain Zone, everything else is either the main theme or the song from the first level. Oh and the fact that Sonic Boom, Sonic Heroes and Seven Rings in Hand are in the game makes me want to puke. All this game needs now is something from Sonic R and Brawl will officially have the worst Sonic songs all in one game. Oh wait, Super Sonic Racing is from Sonic R which makes it official, Brawl has the worst collection of Sonic songs together in one game.
So in short, congratulations for Sakurai, Nintendo and Konami in helping to make the greatest soundtrack ever. And burn in hell Sega, you lazy f*cking bastards for putting a black mark on this other wise godly soundtrack.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 12:01:15 PM
The only difference being that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Zelda tracks I wanted got in, plus a couple I thought had no chance!
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2008, 12:02:05 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 12:06:37 PM
I almost wish I hadn't seen the entire soundtrack list, because there are some AMAZINGLY LOVELY surprises on it...
*listens to more*
I said ALMOST...
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 03, 2008, 12:07:52 PM
I'm only listening for audio clues about mines being placed and such.
Post by: stevey on February 03, 2008, 12:09:09 PM
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Goddamnit how f*cking lazy can Sega be
Well it's Sega after all what do you expect? I'm just glad there is 4 Great and 2 good/ok tracks!
I was only expecting 2 good ones...
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 12:10:29 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Smash_Brother
I'm probably the only person alive who doesn't care about the music because I don't even hear it in the middle of an intense match.
I'm only listening for audio clues about mines being placed and such.
Pfffff, yep, you are...A good music track is my lifeblood in a Smash Brothers match!
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 03, 2008, 12:14:35 PM
I'd recommend everyone listen to the Final Destination theme for Brawl right now. It's truly an amazing piece to be heard.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 12:18:16 PM
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 03, 2008, 12:30:12 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Too bad they wasted such a great track on a stage only good for Bob-omb/Explosive matches...
No they didn't, you have to remember that all tracks can be used in Custom Stages.
I plan on making a huge temple like stage with this song in the background. I'm going to call it, The TRUE Final Destination.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Though the first track I'm going to use in a custom stage is DEFINITELY going to be the Golden Sun Battle Theme Remix...Best surprise ever...
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 01:28:01 PM
Right now there are 28 proven...
(It's also possible more MUSIC has been hidden in the dual-layered disc, as there are a bunch of numbers missing in the soundtrack rip...It seems unlikely, but Andross' disappearance is suspicious...)
Post by: stevey on February 03, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
27 was way too low for AT but more than 314 tracks is way too much, no game can be this awesome!
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
Mario - 4 (two in-between Mario & Luigi and Mario Sunshine...two in-between Mario Bros. and Mario Kart)
Zelda - 1 (in-between LttP and LA)
Yoshi - 1 (in-between Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Touch & Go)
Star Fox - 1 (in-between Star Fox 64 and Star Fox Assault)
Fire Emblem - 2 (one from Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light...one in-between Gaiden and Sacred Stones)
Mother - 4 (three in-between Mother and Mother 2...one in-between Mother 2 and Mother 3)
WarioWare - 1 (just a sound effect)
Animal Crossing - 1 (in-between AC and Wild World)
NES - 1
Assorted - 1
Metal Gear - 2
Sonic - 1
Melee - 1 (FOURSIDE PLEASE)
Brawl - 2
SSE - 2
So far the most convincing evidence that this may be the case is that the Fourside track has somehow mysteriously disappeared even though every other Melee track is in the game (not counting the classics)...
Post by: Darkheart on February 03, 2008, 02:07:22 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2008, 02:24:43 PM
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 02:29:40 PM
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on February 03, 2008, 02:31:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Who cares? It's all bloody awesome regardless... =\
I care because I'm curious (Even though I can't tell the difference lol).
Post by: Dirk Temporo on February 03, 2008, 02:35:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Who cares? It's all bloody awesome regardless... =\
Untrue. Midi songs suck.
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 02:36:47 PM
(Actually, the Fire Emblem vocal theme is probably orchestrated...)
Post by: Darkheart on February 03, 2008, 02:51:44 PM
Post by: Robageejammin on February 03, 2008, 04:08:10 PM
Yes, I know I'm a page late
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 03, 2008, 10:20:10 PM
*swoon*
Post by: LuigiHann on February 04, 2008, 05:02:39 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 04, 2008, 05:28:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Oh my GOD, it's Isaac!
*swoon*
golden sun insta splurge
Post by: Arbok on February 04, 2008, 05:36:52 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on February 04, 2008, 05:45:02 AM
Sorry, but since the 'dorf was recloned, my desire to see a sword/magic user combo still lives.
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 04, 2008, 07:11:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
I'm pretty sure none of the franchise remixes are orchestrated, and I have no clue about the original material (like in the SSE, which I won't spoil myself on until I play the game...)
(Actually, the Fire Emblem vocal theme is probably orchestrated...)
The Legend of Zelda Main Theme is orchestrated as well.
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 04, 2008, 07:22:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agtnr08Sj1g
Post by: Arbok on February 04, 2008, 07:33:41 AM
EDIT: Oh, and sorry if this has already been mentioned here, been gone for a few days.
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 04, 2008, 07:35:59 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 04, 2008, 07:37:28 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Arbok
So, anyone else here that the code for the game reveals some intended characters that didn't make it in? Specifically: Mewtwo, Roy, Toon Zelda/Sheik, Dixie, Doctor Mario and someone noted as "Pra Mai" (some say this is Plusle/Minum while others say it's the leader of the emissary). I'm surprised Krystal wasn't seriously considered, but of those I'm only sad that Dixie (especially sad about this one...) and Mewtwo did not make it.
EDIT: Oh, and sorry if this has already been mentioned here, been gone for a few days.
I do not know WTF code you are talking about
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 04, 2008, 07:38:40 AM
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 04, 2008, 07:41:02 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Data ripped from the ISO...
oh ya thats right. Well we need to go ahead and unlock these characters permanently through third-party pre-disk or something.
Post by: Arbok on February 04, 2008, 07:42:48 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
Dixie Kong always looked like a reject from an episode of Blossom, or a background dancer from an early 90's TLC video. I'm glad she's not in- too dated.
It's people like you who stop them from ever using the Koopa Kids again..
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 04, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 04, 2008, 08:03:03 AM
Post by: Tanookisuit on February 04, 2008, 08:13:00 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: ArbokQuote
Originally posted by: Tanookisuit
Dixie Kong always looked like a reject from an episode of Blossom, or a background dancer from an early 90's TLC video. I'm glad she's not in- too dated.
It's people like you who stop them from ever using the Koopa Kids again..
Nope! I love the Koopa Kids. Rare stuff just doesn't transcend it's time period. But hey, we are each entitled to our own opinions.
Post by: vudu on February 05, 2008, 06:52:32 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 05, 2008, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 10, 2008, 08:21:37 AM
Quote
Originally posted by: Bill Aurion
Turns out the music rip is only from ONE LAYER of the disc...The other layer holds a majority of the FMV in the game, but if the missing song labels are anything to go by, this is how many songs could be missing...
Mario - 4 (two in-between Mario & Luigi and Mario Sunshine...two in-between Mario Bros. and Mario Kart)
Zelda - 1 (in-between LttP and LA)
Yoshi - 1 (in-between Yoshi's Island and Yoshi's Touch & Go)
Star Fox - 1 (in-between Star Fox 64 and Star Fox Assault)
Fire Emblem - 2 (one from Shadow Dragons and the Blade of Light...one in-between Gaiden and Sacred Stones)
Mother - 4 (three in-between Mother and Mother 2...one in-between Mother 2 and Mother 3)
WarioWare - 1 (just a sound effect)
Animal Crossing - 1 (in-between AC and Wild World)
NES - 1
Assorted - 1
Metal Gear - 2
Sonic - 1
Melee - 1 (FOURSIDE PLEASE)
Brawl - 2
SSE - 2
So far the most convincing evidence that this may be the case is that the Fourside track has somehow mysteriously disappeared even though every other Melee track is in the game (not counting the classics)...
Well Bill it turns out the songs missing were actually cut for the final version.
Here's the missing songs which I just copied and pasted from Neo GAF.
snd_bgm_X12_SIMPLEINTRO (Classic Mode Intro)
snd_bgm_X14_ENDING (Classic Mode Ending)
snd_bgm_X24_HOW2PLAY (How to Play)
snd_bgm_A11_MLRPG02 (Another piece from one of the Mario & Luigi RPGs)
snd_bgm_A12_MORINOKINOKO ("Mori no kinoko" = Mushroom Forest...which game? Could it be...SMRPG?!)
snd_bgm_C06_KAZENOSAKANA (Ballad of the Windfish)
snd_bgm_E04_COOKIE (Yoshi's Cookie)
snd_bgm_G06_COMMAND (Star Fox: Command)
snd_bgm_J01_STAGECHANGE (No idea...maybe BGM for when Castle Siege changes forms?)
snd_bgm_J05_ERABARESHI (Erabareshimono = "The Chosen One(s)")
snd_bgm_K02_SENTOUONIISAN (Battle with Masked Man from MOTHER 3)
snd_bgm_K03_EIGHTMELODIES (Eight Melodies from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_K04_SMILEANDTEARS (Smiles and Tears from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_K06_BECAUSE (Because I Love You from EarthBound)
snd_bgm_M14_WARIOSTAGE (Another Microgame$ tune)
snd_bgm_N04_RADIOTAISO ("Radio Taisou" = Radio Exercises)
snd_bgm_Q03_SPORTSMEDLEY (Soccer / Baseball / etc. on the NES, probably)
snd_bgm_R01_WILDTRACKS (No clue...)
snd_bgm_S01_MAINTHEME (MGS Main Theme...no doubt taken out of the main game because of the composition controversy)
snd_bgm_S09_BEATMANIA (MGS music from Beatmania?)
snd_bgm_T04_HOWTOPLAY (Original "How to Play" music?)
snd_bgm_U05_UCANDO ("You Can Do It"...? Probably another vocal track.)
snd_bgm_W22_DX55 (The missing Melee track...Fourside?)
snd_bgm_Y06_ADV06 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y12_ADV12 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y18_ADV18 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y19_ADV19 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y20_ADV20 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y21_ADV21 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y22_ADV22 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y23_ADV23 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y24_ADV24 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y25_ADV25 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y26_ADV26 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y27_ADV27 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y28_ADV28 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y29_ADV29 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Y30_ADV30 (Missing Subspace Emissary music)
snd_bgm_Z09_FLUIGI (Luigi's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z12_FKUOPA (Bowser's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z13_FPEACH (Peach's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z14_FZELDA (Zelda's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z15_FSHEIK (Sheik's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z19_FFALCO (Falco's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z20_FGANON (Ganondorf's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z24_FZEROSAMUS (ZSS's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z26_FLUCAS (Lucas' Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z27_FDIDDY (Diddy's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z28_FPOKETRAINER (Pokemon Trainer's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z32_FDEDEDE (King Dedede's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z33_FLICARIO (Lucario's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z34_FIKE (Ike's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z37_FPURIN (Jigglypuff's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z38_FMYU2 (Mewtwo's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z39_FROY (Roy's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z41_FTOONLINK (Toon Link's Victory Theme)
snd_bgm_Z52_JCLEAR1 (Some accomplishment music...probably for clearing a stage / event)
snd_bgm_Z53_JCLEAR2 (More accomplishment music)
So Ballad of the Wind Fish was supposed to be in the game!
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Post by: Mikintosh on February 10, 2008, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: stevey on February 15, 2008, 05:25:31 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on February 15, 2008, 06:49:18 PM
Post by: stevey on February 18, 2008, 11:51:19 PM
This would more than make up for the delays if Roy and Malon were added...
Post by: DAaaMan64 on February 18, 2008, 11:56:14 PM
Post by: LuigiHann on February 19, 2008, 12:29:51 AM
Post by: NWR_pap64 on February 19, 2008, 01:52:00 AM
:heart; Roy :heart; and mewtwo to be playable in the US version Confirmed in a rumor! (http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=145144)
This would more than make up for the delays if Roy and Malon were added...
NOT SO FAST!
They haven't been confirmed yet. In fact, it still one big rumor, one that people are investigating as we speak.
So I say we wait till next month's release to see if its true or not...
Post by: stevey on February 19, 2008, 01:54:44 AM
