Topic: Official Sales Thread

[Triforce Hermit]

The New Wii U?

[Nile Boogie Returns]

 

Niles you keep forgetting that no matter what happens sales wise the Xbox One is too similar to PS4 so its going to be seen as the true competition whereas Wii U is still seen as last gen. Like it or not that is how the rest of the worlds sees it even if Nintendo and their die hard fans don't. Also Xbox One has strong third party support and has already passed Wii U sales in half the time, so no Wii U is not going to stick close to Xbox One by this time next year the big boys will be so far ahead Nintendo will have no choice but to consider moving on, like the rest of the world already has. Wii U isn't going to do GamCube numbers that is a fantasy, its taken 2 years of struggling to get here, even if it gets a five year span, year three is the peak so year for and five are downhill Wii U has to catch up to where Gamecube was in the middle of its life before Wii U gets to the middle and that is not happening period. Wii U will be lucky to move 18 million lifetime.

Huh? It seems that you guys may have on rose-tinted glasses when it come to how well other systems have sold in the past. Comparative to past consoles, how does the Wii U rank? Also the streaky uptick in sales, while minuscule in units is still steady in the right direction. Lets not forget that PS3 sold like sand in Vegas for the first couple years  .


And for heavens sake, we ain't getting a new console till this thing stops turning a profit. It takes a failure in both profits and marketshare and at this point and for the foreseeable future that doesn't look like its going to happen.






OR. I could be wrong as vegan lion and the sky is falling. Doom and black mist permeate amongst the gamers.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/editorial/37210/comparing-wii-us-sales-to-gamecube-wii



Here for starters.

This very own sales thread if you go back far enough, and reading magazine articles from 2003/2004.

Software sales were much higher on GameCube and so was 3rd party support. Somehow people act like GameCube had zero 3rd party support when it actually had pretty strong support for a while, it faded near the end and some high profile games were left out but most of the so-called lack of 3rd party games comes from people who were "betrayed" by the Capcom deal and from that point on they acted like GameCube just didn't get a single 3rd party game.

[Ymeegod]

In terms of ranking for two year sales:  Dreamcast<wiiu<n64<ps3  The n64 had 15 million at end of year 2, wiiu is at 9 million. 


Forgot the Gamecube but it was at 15 million mark as well.

[Evan_B]

With the way Nintendo has been managing their eShop ventures and promoting smaller titles I could see the Wii U lasting a long time. The Wii VC titles are a great example of this. They are offering these games because they sold less than the major Wii titles and despite the effort put into porting them, each purchase is money right into Nintendo's pocket. That could certainly sustain the company through a poor selling console life. Not the Wii VC in specific, but similar business practice.

[Ian Sane]

Nintendo has to think about the future.  If they stick with the Wii U for too long, even if it remains profitable it will erode their mindshare among the gaming market to nothing.  The Wii U is not culturally relevant.  Every year Nintendo waits to replace it is another year of Nintendo being irrelevant in the console market.  Too many of those and Nintendo launches the Wii U successor to utter indifference to a market that has written them off.

I'm of the age where Nintendo, not Atari, was my first real introduction to videogames.  By the time the Atari Jaguar came out, I just saw them as some old dinosaur.  Yes, the Jaguar was also a lousy product but "made by Atari" at that point meant **** to me and other gamers my age.  Kids born the year the Wii came out turn 9 this year.  If Nintendo takes too long to replace the Wii U those kids will be teenagers - teenage gamers that have never known Nintendo to be anything other than those casual game gimmick controller guys, which is exactly what Nintendo should not want with their next console or it will be doomed to repeat the Wii U's fate.  And the kids that liked the Wii fad will be adults.  Wait too long and there's a whole generation of their target audience for which they're nothing but a dumb fad.

[Enner]

Japan numbers!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=976397

Top-seller:    [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi - 50.244 / 2.372.371 (-33%)

Nintendo 3DS/3DS LL/New 3DS/New 3DS LL sales:     44.229 /  18.093.514

PlayStation Vita/Vita TV sales:  17.505 /   3.621.764

Wii U sales:  8.894 /   2.193.308

PlayStation 4 sales :  15.480 /  1.047.481

Xbox One sales:  300 /    44.767

Media Create Sales: Week 3, 2015 (Jan 12 - Jan 18)

01./01. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Shin Uchi <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.12.13} (Â¥4.968) - 50.244 / 2.372.371 (-33%)
02./02. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire <RPG> (Pokemon Co.) {2014.11.21} (Â¥4.937) - 24.964 / 2.457.623 (-35%)
03./00. [3DS] Kenka Bancho 6: Soul & Blood <ADV> (Spike Chunsoft) {2015.01.15} (Â¥6.458) - 24.274 / NEW
04./04. [3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (Â¥6.264) - 15.588 / 2.428.056 (-27%)
05./03. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.09.13} (Â¥5.616) - 15.443 / 2.111.958 (-35%)
06./05. [WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (Â¥7.776) - 12.858 / 560.986 (-32%)
07./06. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch 2: Ganso / Honke <RPG> (Level 5) {2014.07.10} (Â¥4.937) - 7.906 / 3.082.408 (-23%)
08./09. [WIU] Mario Kart 8 # <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (Â¥6.156) - 6.915 / 895.979 (-22%)
09./07. [PSV] Gundam Breaker 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.12.18} (Â¥7.171) - 6.670 / 117.899 (-29%)
10./10. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.11.08} (Â¥4.800) - 6.142 / 3.899.253 (-23%)
11./08. [PS4] Grand Theft Auto V # <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan) {2014.12.11} (Â¥7.992) - 6.006 / 150.882 (-35%)
12./12. [3DS] Final Fantasy Explorers <RPG> (Square Enix) {2014.12.18} (Â¥6.264) - 5.515 / 244.319 (+10%)
13./15. [PS3] Grand Theft Auto V [Bargain Edition] <ACT> (Rockstar Games) {2014.06.26} (Â¥5.389) - 4.886 / 112.500 (+5%)
14./00. [PSV] Diabolik Lovers: More, Blood - Limited V Edition # <ADV> (Idea Factory) {2015.01.15} (Â¥6.264) - 4.083 / NEW
15./11. [PS3] Gundam Breaker 2 <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.12.18} (Â¥8.208) - 4.032 / 115.082 (-39%)
16./13. [3DS] Mario Kart 7 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2011.12.01} (Â¥4.800) - 3.474 / 2.458.465 (-26%)
17./21. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2015 <SPT> (Konami) {2014.11.13} (Â¥8.208) - 3.175 / 147.350
18./16. [3DS] Aikatsu! 365-Hi no Idol Days <SLG> (Bandai Namco Games) {2014.12.04} (Â¥5.627) - 2.672 / 103.141 (-34%)
19./24. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe <ACT> (Nintendo) {2014.01.11} (Â¥4.800) - 2.639 / 692.358 (-19%)
20./22. [3DS] Tomodachi Life # <ETC> (Nintendo) {2013.04.18} (Â¥4.800) - 2.602 / 1.779.383 (-27%)

Top 20

3DS - 12
PS3 - 3
PSV - 2
WIU - 2
PS4 - 1

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+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System | This Week  | Last Week  | Last Year  |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| 3DS # |     44.229 |     57.674 |     47.438 |    255.069 |    284.147 |  18.093.514 |
| PSV # |     17.505 |     22.327 |     26.963 |     97.837 |    134.379 |   3.621.764 |
|  PS4  |     15.480 |     19.118 |            |     76.814 |            |   1.047.481 |
|  WIU  |      8.894 |     10.803 |     11.443 |     49.728 |     76.734 |   2.193.308 |
|  PS3  |      7.036 |      8.216 |     13.243 |     33.119 |     68.173 |  10.202.110 |
|  XB1  |        300 |        563 |            |      1.500 |            |      44.767 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  ALL  |     93.444 |    118.701 |    103.384 |    514.067 |    586.499 |  35.202.944 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| PSVTV |        682 |        791 |      2.208 |      2.778 |     10.043 |     152.991 |
|  PSV  |     16.823 |     21.536 |     24.755 |     95.059 |    124.336 |   3.468.773 |
|n-3DSLL|     25.299 |     30.455 |            |    132.193 |            |     999.251 |
| n-3DS |      9.916 |     14.226 |            |     64.480 |            |     433.786 |
| 3DSLL |      4.776 |      6.308 |     32.393 |     30.180 |    186.587 |   6.862.803 |
|  3DS  |      4.238 |      6.685 |     15.045 |     28.216 |     97.560 |   9.797.674 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
Not much new other than Kenka Bancho and Diabolik. Holding patterns.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

  The Wii U is not culturally relevant.

I am cherry picking here:
Really? How is that possible? Not to mention that the kids that are 9 years old now are playing Poke'mon which is a gateway drug to all things Nintendo.

[broodwars]

  The Wii U is not culturally relevant.

I am cherry picking here:
Really? How is that possible? Not to mention that the kids that are 9 years old now are playing Poke'mon which is a gateway drug to all things Nintendo.

Pokemon is a gateway drug to future Nintendo handheld offerings. Until Nintendo gets off their ass and puts a real Pokemon game on home consoles, it will never be a gateway drug to Nintendo consoles.

[Stratos]

The Pokemon Stadium games could have been that gateway drug if they actually build on the first two like they should have instead of cutting features from each subsequent game.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

Ian doesn't even make sense, you are the same age as me and I was all over Atari, everyone I knew had one. Sure NES came along and changed the world but how did you live at that time and NOT have at least one Atari machine in your circle of friends? You also forget Atari was still making computers when Jaguar released they were relevant just not to you apparently. I remember the hype over Jaguar, it was all over the TV, magazines, even comic books that thing didn't fail because it had no hype it failed because a, it had no compelling games, and b, Atari was fucking broke because of unrelated bad decisions. Same thing that killed Sega they didn't fizzle out either the Dreamcast had major hype and big sales it just was too little too late due to all their debt. Its not the same at all.

Niles, you seem to be one of those that thinks Nintendo is a unified company offering a single product, your mistaken there are two different audiences I am one of those who does not game on handhelds like ever so I don't give a **** what their hand held is doing it always pisses me off when someone complains there aren't any games for the CONSOLES and some dickhead replies with a list if games that are handheld only. *not calling you dickhead just saying in general how I feel about that. The very fact that Nintendo's handhelds have never had trouble staying strong in sales but their consoles have should indicate they are two different markets. If the fucking Wii U had half the damn games 3DS had it would be selling pretty damn good. Game Cube didn't have that problem there were only select franchises missing from its library the Wii U is flip side there isn't even token support from major developers anymore.

[Ian Sane]

Ian doesn't even make sense, you are the same age as me and I was all over Atari, everyone I knew had one. Sure NES came along and changed the world but how did you live at that time and NOT have at least one Atari machine in your circle of friends? You also forget Atari was still making computers when Jaguar released they were relevant just not to you apparently. I remember the hype over Jaguar, it was all over the TV, magazines, even comic books that thing didn't fail because it had no hype it failed because a, it had no compelling games, and b, Atari was fucking broke because of unrelated bad decisions. Same thing that killed Sega they didn't fizzle out either the Dreamcast had major hype and big sales it just was too little too late due to all their debt. Its not the same at all.

The NES came out about two months before my fourth birthday.  For me and my school friends it was effectively our introduction to videogames.  Also parents didn't really play videogames back then so it wasn't like as a baby I was watching my Dad play like a kid of today might.  I didn't have an Atari and my relatives and friends didn't have one.

[Evan_B]

Niles, you seem to be one of those that thinks Nintendo is a unified company offering a single product, your mistaken there are two different audiences I am one of those who does not game on handhelds like ever so I don't give a **** what their hand held is doing it always pisses me off when someone complains there aren't any games for the CONSOLES and some dickhead replies with a list if games that are handheld only. *not calling you dickhead just saying in general how I feel about that. The very fact that Nintendo's handhelds have never had trouble staying strong in sales but their consoles have should indicate they are two different markets. If the fucking Wii U had half the damn games 3DS had it would be selling pretty damn good. Game Cube didn't have that problem there were only select franchises missing from its library the Wii U is flip side there isn't even token support from major developers anymore.

Would you rather the situation be more like Sony, who makes many games on their consoles cross-compatible and thereby kills the reason to own one over the other?

Joking, of course, because I know what you want. However, Nintendo applies the same techniques in designing their console and handheld architecture, though it doesn't work as well for their home consoles brcauee everyone expects a stationary device to have some decent processing power and steady internal flexibility.

[Ceric]

Cross-Play is a great thing.  In all honesty Nintendo needs to look at what Sony is currently doing in regard to there digital market place and game distribution and well do that.

[Evan_B]

We can just agree to disagree.

I buy systems for exclusive content, not the knowledge that a quarter of the library with be up-or-downscaled ports.

[Ceric]

We can just agree to disagree.

I buy systems for exclusive content, not the knowledge that a quarter of the library with be up-or-downscaled ports.

Your definitely not losing that.  It is not a Zero sum gain.  You just don't have to pay again for non-unique games.  Just because the Vita has Crossplay doesn't mean there aren't exclusives.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

Again I think Ian lived in a different world than I did everyone played Atari it was new, mostly adults playing at that time. My parents stopped playing when Nintendo came out. Also I must come from a poorer background because we didn't even get an NES until like 1990 so yeah it was out there but its not like the day NES came out all of a sudden all those Atari units just disappeared. It must have been different in your part of the country but where I lived people had Atari on into the early 90's before NES and Sega took over and most people I know didn't even get an SNES or until 93 or latter.



Getting back to Wii U, I think Nintendo is stupid for not having the same games on it as 3DS, they have different versions they make the hand held version portable and the console version the bigger game, that *is* how they used to do it why did they stop doing that?

[broodwars]

Getting back to Wii U, I think Nintendo is stupid for not having the same games on it as 3DS, they have different versions they make the hand held version portable and the console version the bigger game, that *is* how they used to do it why did they stop doing that?

The likely answer is that it's because Japan stopped buying console games.

[Khushrenada]

Getting back to Wii U, I think Nintendo is stupid for not having the same games on it as 3DS, they have different versions they make the hand held version portable and the console version the bigger game, that *is* how they used to do it why did they stop doing that?

Funny enough, one of Ian's complaints about the Wii U is that it does have the same games as the 3DS.

New Super Mario Bros. 2 & New Super Mario Bros. Wii U
Super Mario 3D Land & Super Mario 3D World
Mario Kart 7 & Mario Kart 8
Smash Bros. 3DS & Smash Bros. Wii U

In all these cases, the console version is the bigger, more powerful version.

There's other comparisons one could make as well:

Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins & Lego City Undercover
Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion & Epic Mickey: The Power of Two
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal & Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate & Batman: Arkham Origins
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D & Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze
Mario Party: Island Tour & Mario Party 10
Yoshi's New Island & Yoshi's Wooly World
Star Fox 64 3D & Star Fox Wii U
Xenoblade Chronicles 3D & Xenoblade Chronicles X
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds & Zelda Wii U


Yes, I realize a bunch of the Wii U games haven't released yet but do you really think they are not going to be the bigger and more powerful version of that brand/series compared to its 3DS counterpart? So, they're still doing that. It hasn't really stopped. However, portable technology has gotten better and so the experiences aren't as dissimilar as they used to be.

[Ian Sane]

I'm of the idea that if you have the same games on the console as you do on the handheld the reasoning for having them as two separate platforms is arbitrary.  Nintendo in particular doesn't even offer cutting edge hardware on their console.  You can't go cutting edge on a handheld because of size and battery issues.  That's why a distinction exists.  But if you don't care about hardware, which Nintendo clearly doesn't, why is there two platforms?  So you've got a handheld and a slightly-better-hardware non-handheld?  That's idiotic.  If you're going to limit yourself to weaker hardware then you might as well have one format for all your games.  If the 3DS and Wii U were actually equal hardware wouldn't it be dumb and anti-consumer to make them incompatible?

What's interesting is that while Sony's failure to differentiate their two platforms hurts their handheld, for Nintendo it is the opposite.  It makes sense as Sony's console is a bigger better experience.  It's the deluxe model.  The Wii U however has a lot of problems the 3DS does not have.  Nintendo isn't offering cutting edge hardware for ANY of their games and the 3DS is better supported and cheaper to buy so why not get that instead of the Wii U?  Hell the Wii U's big gimmick is a touchscreen, which the 3DS has!

I think part of Nintendo's reasons for going with motion control and touchscreens and stuff like that is that since they weren't going to be up-to-date with console hardware anymore they needed some alternate feature to make the two platforms incompatible.  Can't do Wii Sports on a DS, can you?  The whole concept of two platforms has always had a shelf life.  At some point hardware will plateau to the point where you can offer the same hardware performance in both formats and then it might as well be one format.  If the Game Boy could have been literally a handheld NES with no impact on the battery life or size of the device then why wouldn't it have been so?  Here, go buy two differently shaped cartridges for exactly the same game?  That makes no sense.

But Nintendo and Sony obviously want us to buy two platforms and buy two separate games.  It's a business model that will eventually make no sense and the question is how long will these companies maintain two formats.  You figure at least one of them will be the dinosaur sticking to a business model that no longer makes sense watching their systems flop while the market embraces someone else with a single format model.

[Nile Boogie Returns]

Niles, you seem to be one of those that thinks Nintendo is a unified company offering a single product, your mistaken there are two different audiences I am one of those who does not game on handhelds like ever so I don't give a **** what their hand held is doing it always pisses me off when someone complains there aren't any games for the CONSOLES and some dickhead replies with a list if games that are handheld only. *not calling you dickhead just saying in general how I feel about that. The very fact that Nintendo's handhelds have never had trouble staying strong in sales but their consoles have should indicate they are two different markets. If the fucking Wii U had half the damn games 3DS had it would be selling pretty damn good. Game Cube didn't have that problem there were only select franchises missing from its library the Wii U is flip side there isn't even token support from major developers anymore.

You're right to a point. However, I don't know ONE person IRL that has a Wii U but not a 3DS. That's what I mean. I get that sh*t don't roll uphill but if anybody is closer to buying a console (given they have a valid reason) it's a 3DS owner. or it should be.

[Mop it up]

Personally, I don't see a point in having two similar systems on the market, much less three if Nintendo joined in on that. The only reason that still exists is because Sony, MS, and Nintendo all want control, but having one unified platform would be best for consumers and developers alike. That's why, for better or worse, I prefer it when Nintendo do their own thing instead of making a system exactly like the others. The GameCube is my least-fave Nintendo system and I think part of that is because there wasn't really anything to distinguish it from the PS2/Xbox/Dreamcast.

I may have my issues with the Wii U but I still wouldn't want it to be a PS4/XBONE clone.

That's also why I'm for the idea of making some sort of single hybrid system that's both a home console and a portable. The gap between Wii U and 3DS seems more narrow than ever, making it feel more and more redundant to have them be separate. Fortunately, with Nintendo doing things like unifying their console and handheld departments, I think we'll see a movement towards some sort of hybrid over the coming generation(s). I don't know what kind of form it may take though, but I think it'll be an improvement.

[Ian Sane]

Personally, I don't see a point in having two similar systems on the market, much less three if Nintendo joined in on that. The only reason that still exists is because Sony, MS, and Nintendo all want control, but having one unified platform would be best for consumers and developers alike.

For many years I didn't like the concept of one console standard because I was afraid whoever's design would get used would be flawed in some serious way.  Like the hardware wouldn't be sufficient for certain types of games or the load times would be bad or the controller would suck.  I guess I was afraid Nintendo wouldn't be the guys to design it but now I actually would want them in control LEAST of all the big three.  The idea still kind of scares me because I see bullshit like completely unworkable touchscreen controls in phone games and I'm scared that the standard design would be set by a non-gaming company that makes a standard that is horrible for core games but is good enough for the mainstream so it gets accepted.  If someone was to make one platform they would have to REALLY know videogames.

[marvel_moviefan_2012]

Getting back to Wii U, I think Nintendo is stupid for not having the same games on it as 3DS, they have different versions they make the hand held version portable and the console version the bigger game, that *is* how they used to do it why did they stop doing that?

Funny enough, one of Ian's complaints about the Wii U is that it does have the same games as the 3DS.

New Super Mario Bros. 2 & New Super Mario Bros. Wii U
Super Mario 3D Land & Super Mario 3D World
Mario Kart 7 & Mario Kart 8
Smash Bros. 3DS & Smash Bros. Wii U

In all these cases, the console version is the bigger, more powerful version.

There's other comparisons one could make as well:

Lego City Undercover: The Chase Begins & Lego City Undercover
Epic Mickey: Power of Illusion & Epic Mickey: The Power of Two
Sonic Boom: Shattered Crystal & Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric
Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate & Batman: Arkham Origins
Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D & Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze
Mario Party: Island Tour & Mario Party 10
Yoshi's New Island & Yoshi's Wooly World
Star Fox 64 3D & Star Fox Wii U
Xenoblade Chronicles 3D & Xenoblade Chronicles X
Zelda: A Link Between Worlds & Zelda Wii U


Yes, I realize a bunch of the Wii U games haven't released yet but do you really think they are not going to be the bigger and more powerful version of that brand/series compared to its 3DS counterpart? So, they're still doing that. It hasn't really stopped. However, portable technology has gotten better and so the experiences aren't as dissimilar as they used to be.

um I was not talking about Nitendo's first party stuff obviously I meant everything else.

[Evan_B]

Personally, I don't see a point in having two similar systems on the market, much less three if Nintendo joined in on that. The only reason that still exists is because Sony, MS, and Nintendo all want control, but having one unified platform would be best for consumers and developers alike.

For many years I didn't like the concept of one console standard because I was afraid whoever's design would get used would be flawed in some serious way.  Like the hardware wouldn't be sufficient for certain types of games or the load times would be bad or the controller would suck.  I guess I was afraid Nintendo wouldn't be the guys to design it but now I actually would want them in control LEAST of all the big three.  The idea still kind of scares me because I see bullshit like completely unworkable touchscreen controls in phone games and I'm scared that the standard design would be set by a non-gaming company that makes a standard that is horrible for core games but is good enough for the mainstream so it gets accepted.  If someone was to make one platform they would have to REALLY know videogames.

So if that's the argument, you obviôusly don't want Sony or Microsoft designing it either, since they don't know jack **** about video games.