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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2025 on: September 14, 2016, 01:00:38 PM »
It was easy to get SNES-level of support when a company had a near monopoly on an entire industry for the better part of 10 years. Anyone longing for a return to those glory days is out of touch with reality. While there are plenty things Nintendo can do better to improve third party support today, the kind of support people think Nintendo can just pull out of a hat is unrealistic. Sony and Microsoft do things Nintendo is unwilling or unable to do. It isn't wise for Nintendo to launch a $400 to $500 console. While Nintendo will pick up a dead or struggling project, it won't get into a bidding war. Nintendo would like 10 of those to potentially make a difference on its platform. I wouldn't blame any company for not wanting to take those odds. Sony and Microsoft regularly do; Nintendo won't. For better or worse, it lives (and dies) by its own output.


Probably all the more reason to believe the NX will only be one platform that'll be your home and mobile console.  Consolidates Nintendo's developer efforts into one platform so that worst case scenario, if NX is Wii U-2, Nintendo can at least keep a steady stream of gaming in absence of 3rd parties.

Unlikely, as nintendo wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket.

There will be a home console and a handheld,  mark my word.

They will be two completely devices with compatible os's.




If so, I will likely sit NX out until end of life cycle.  I don't have confidence Nintendo has the developer bandwidth to maintain two separate devices anymore, and my appetite for Japanese-centric gameplay has waned over the last console generation.


That said, enough of the walls of text, people.  I look here to see if anyone has scooped up any hot NX news, not to see the same stupid arguments rehashed over and over.

Well, I've posted tidbits and news.


I was more talking about SuperMario2K and IanSane, sweet jesus, what a wall of text.


I understand the well is a bit dry on the NX news/rumors at the moment, but at least contain that crap to a separate thread.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2026 on: September 14, 2016, 01:17:41 PM »
This thread has stopped being relevant about 10 pages ago. At this point I don't know why people would still care about NX if Nintendo still can't figure out a way to properly reveal the thing less than 6 months from release. They apparently were going for a September reveal but even that is getting pushed to October.  Meanwhile rumors keep festering and people keep bickering and if everything about these rumors pan out we're basically looking at another Wii U. I've personally checked out and that says a lot. Nintendo's silence is now teetering on the brink of irrelevance.



I think you've hit where I'm almost at, Soren.  And I don't even care about the "well, they're hurting themselves by not giving all gamers time to get excited about a new system to buy.  I'm personally just exhausted by the lack of announcement from Nintendo themselves to the point where my enthusiasm for a new console has deflated like a balloon, and I 1) scoured stores for a Wii during the peak scarcity of the Wii to find one, including scanning bar codes at target every Saturday until they showed a backroom stock that would be laid out the next day, 2) Bought a Wii U at launch, and 3) have bought a good 4 different 3DS systems, including incremental upgrades to the New 3DS.


I fall in the Nintendo enthusiast bucket, and we are getting all the colors of a painting without Nintendo showing us what it means for the entire picture of their gaming future.  Maybe they think they have to withhold their info to prevent competitors stealing ideas, maybe they're planning for the "perfect" announcement, or maybe they're making last ditch updates to the specs.


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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2027 on: September 14, 2016, 01:27:05 PM »
Any chance Nintendo is keeping quiet so as not to spoil holiday sales?

I could see them announcing in January, hyping and media blitzing for 2+ months and releasing in March. Why not keep the advertising window nice and short? Why play your hand too early?
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2028 on: September 14, 2016, 01:48:52 PM »
Any chance Nintendo is keeping quiet so as not to spoil holiday sales?

I could see them announcing in January, hyping and media blitzing for 2+ months and releasing in March. Why not keep the advertising window nice and short? Why play your hand too early?


I don't mean this with any Snark, but is there any reason for Nintendo to think they'll have any real sales of the Wii U?  They've more or less left it to die on the vine this year.  I expect there to be possibly a few good bundles during Black Friday, possibly discounts from retailers to rid them of whatever Wii U stock left in inventory prior to NX release. 


Logistics for products can be a nightmare, I can't imagine them waiting to early next year in order to announce the NX.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2029 on: September 14, 2016, 01:59:56 PM »
Nintendo's silence is now teetering on the brink of irrelevance.

So true.  Nintendo's only been able to maintain media attention with Pokemon Go, Super Mario Run, and the NES thingy.  None of which say, "Guys, we're still in the business of making new and exciting systems!" to me.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2030 on: September 14, 2016, 02:12:00 PM »
Any chance Nintendo is keeping quiet so as not to spoil holiday sales?

I could see them announcing in January, hyping and media blitzing for 2+ months and releasing in March. Why not keep the advertising window nice and short? Why play your hand too early?


The only thing Nintendo is really selling this holiday is Pokemon and an NES. Those two things will sell themselves and will not be derailed by any new console announcement.


Two months might be plenty of time to sell a console to a group of die-hard Nintendo fans. But that group is growing smaller and smaller by the month. You need way more time if you expect this thing to be a success. That's why I'm getting nervous about this reveal delay.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2031 on: September 14, 2016, 02:53:14 PM »
Fatty might be referring more to 3DS sales.  If the NX is what it is rumored to be, it might destroy 3DS sales when it is properly revealed.  They have a new Pokemon edition and the galaxy style that they want to push for a bit.  It might even play 3DS games, although that is very optimistic.  Regardless, it should introduce us to the new Nintendo ecosystem.  Similar to Android or what MS has been trying to do, games will be playable across platforms that support this OS.  So, any system before that will be obsolete in a sense.

As for the "wall of text" complaints, I actually appreciate those posts sometimes.  It is fun to think through Nintendo's plans for the future, particularly with people that have different viewpoints.
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« Reply #2032 on: September 14, 2016, 03:58:43 PM »
This thread has stopped being relevant about 10 pages ago.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2033 on: September 14, 2016, 04:39:53 PM »
Fatty might be referring more to 3DS sales.  If the NX is what it is rumored to be, it might destroy 3DS sales when it is properly revealed.  They have a new Pokemon edition and the galaxy style that they want to push for a bit.  It might even play 3DS games, although that is very optimistic.
That's sort of what I meant but didn't think about it that specifically.
I just meant in general, Nintendo has stuff to push this Holiday season, a time of year which is typically a big sales focus. If they announce New Shiny NX but it isn't available for Christmas sales, they might be concerned with confusing and driving away consumers generally. Just a theory. Unsupported by anything really. So, not really a theory so much as an opinion. Talking out of my ass, if you will.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2034 on: September 14, 2016, 06:43:19 PM »
If they're announcing in October and it's a console, it makes sense that they're waiting until the second to last Wii U retail product (2016 Game of the Year silver medalist Paper Mario Color Splash) launches.

Just sayin'.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2035 on: September 14, 2016, 06:52:39 PM »
It's also telethon month, that can hardly be a coincidence, I bet Ronaghan knows more than he's letting on.  ;)

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2036 on: September 14, 2016, 07:05:15 PM »
Tegra X2 would be more capable than the PS4. Also, you have to realize that "capable" does not mean "has better graphic horsepower."
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2037 on: September 14, 2016, 07:10:58 PM »
 I can only imagine what happened before I heard the crash. How Bill Trinen’s powdered-sugar coated hands slipped from the steering wheel on my back road, beginning the greatest adventure of my life, will always be a mystery. I can only thank those sweet hands of fate and remember.

The sound of a car meeting a tree found me while my parents were at work. As usual, I was toiling at home, guarding it from intruders. They never thanked me for this, but only because they didn’t understand how dangerous it was. My imagination was often filled with terrorists and thieves, which I would cleverly dispatch. When they returned from their safe jobs, rolling their haughty eyes at my greasy appearance, I would smile knowing that I had saved them again. Of course, I wouldn’t tell them and give them the satisfaction.

From such a daydream I was broken, but it still seemed real enough to make me think I was being shot at. So, I rolled to the floor with the tight reflexes of a gamer. I stayed still, listening to the footsteps of two men approaching. I could determine from the right-leaning gait that one of them was carrying something, but I had no idea how special it was.

“Herro.”

My head slowly moved up to avoid giving away my position on the floor. There, looking at me like a Piñata too cute to bat, was Shigeru Miyamoto. My heart stopped colder than it already had been to conceal my chi.

“Huh… hi!”

I kipped up and moved from the middle of the room to the door, which I opened with disbelief. Seeing that Shigeru was in good hands, Bill made a sticky retreat back to the smoking vehicle. As I escorted the master in, I heard, “Reggie will be here to pick us up after his meeting with EA and other major third parties!”

The words seemed to hit Shigeru like a brick, as he collapsed in my arms. No longer lost in awe, I laid his limp frame gently on the couch and executed emergency resuscitation.  It was only then that I noticed the blood dripping from his head, ejecting in spurts as I beat his genius chest.
After what seemed like an eternity, but must have been only an hour of beating, he awoke with a jolt and shielded his face from my hovering sweaty fist.

“You shaved my rife,” he murmured tenderly, still dizzy and afraid. “What can I do for you?”

“Miyamoto-san,” I said in perfect Japanese, “I owe you more than you could ever owe me. The couch you’re lying on, now soaked in your blood, has seen countless hours of joy because of the gifts you’ve given me.”

“Call me Mia. Even Bill doesn’t know that I like to be called that. It’s a name reserved for family.”

No words could find my throat, as if they were born so deep in my soul that they couldn’t leap high enough to escape. He understood and shook his head with a smile I’d never seen at an E3 presentation. It went directly to my heart, like a Nintendo Direct presentation.

“I want to show you something.”

He motioned to his bag, which remained where he fell. With a smile that I feel I’d never had before, I retrieved it and sat back by him as by a friend. As by family.
He took my hand, curling his fingers into mine, and we moved like Ouija brothers into the bag and onto something sleek and substantial. Was it possible?

I’ve never felt the touch of a woman, but the electricity that vibrated through my middle-aged flesh couldn’t have been entirely different.

AMD. Traditional console. 4K. Dedicated RAM.

NX.

Mia touched my chin, gently directing my watery gaze to his own.

“You were right about everything in the forums. You’ll be a god to them.”

My head drifted aimlessly, like a balloon filled with Mexican jumping beans. I knew that I had a high IQ, because I had taken a free test and purchased the additional analysis. The company was so impressed that they still send me emails to this day. Still, I never imagined that it would be him telling me.

A dart of light danced across the ceiling. Reggie was here, and the dream would soon be over. I lightly marched my fingers like Pikmin across Mia’s leg, up his arm, and finally up to wipe away his tear.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2038 on: September 14, 2016, 10:50:51 PM »
Tegra X2 would be more capable than the PS4. Also, you have to realize that "capable" does not mean "has better graphic horsepower."
Unlikely with Nvidia canceling those projects, and I'll have a hard time believing that's powering the home console.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2039 on: September 14, 2016, 11:03:29 PM »
So while affordability and good traditional controls are certainly qualities that are needed to truly be successful, the game machine needs to have the potential to handle the games. Merely matching yesterday's potential seems weak by comparison. The leading edge of development yearns for something much more powerful than what we have today. We want to see Nintendo pushing the technological envelope because that's what they used to do really well.

What do you mean with potential? rawpower?


I think the important thing is to make a hardware balanced enough so development teams dont feel constrained by it.
But sometimes constrains are not that bad at all, you need creativity to overcome problems.
The gamecube had little memory compared to the Xbox. Which probable led to a cell shaded Zelda... of course back then internet kids were not happy with a "childish" zelda but now the Wind Walker is considered an outstanding work of art.
The Wii had Mario Galaxy one of the greatest looking game of its generation.

And... We are still in a Minecraft generation!!!


Potential can be raw power, but it can also be unrealized possibilities (ie. add-ons, upgrades). There is the traditional console design (fixed hardware) and there is now an emerging console concept that includes multiple hardware configurations and the possibility of upgrades. Potential can be Nintendo looking to some technology not yet seen in a console.


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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2040 on: September 15, 2016, 01:06:45 AM »

Unlikely, as nintendo wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket.

There will be a home console and a handheld,  mark my word.

They will be two completely different devices that support the same SOFTWARE PLATFORM (aka the NX).

I fixed that for you. ;)


I haven't been stuck int eh hyperbolic sound chamber that is the rumor mill like you guys, but last I remember, NX was a software platform that would be shared through all the hardware iteration that Nintendo will have going forward. Much like iOS and Android, to use Iwata's example (RIP).


So IF Nintendo reveals a handheld, or IF Nintendo reveals a home console, or IF they reveal BOTH, they will most likely run the SAME OS, and the SAME GAMES that happen to scale to the hardware they are on, like a PC will change resolution/detail of a game depending on system specs.
Not to say that all games will always be compatible w/ all hardware, as there are plenty of games that depend on a certain version of the OS to be compatible, but you would essentially be developing for the same platform for the foreseeable future, assuming Nintendo got it right.
....this is all assuming of course that NX really is a software platform (and not just the next Nintendo hardware)
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2041 on: September 15, 2016, 03:50:31 AM »

Unlikely, as nintendo wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket.

There will be a home console and a handheld,  mark my word.

They will be two completely different devices that support the same SOFTWARE PLATFORM (aka the NX).

I fixed that for you. ;)


I haven't been stuck int eh hyperbolic sound chamber that is the rumor mill like you guys, but last I remember, NX was a software platform that would be shared through all the hardware iteration that Nintendo will have going forward. Much like iOS and Android, to use Iwata's example (RIP).


So IF Nintendo reveals a handheld, or IF Nintendo reveals a home console, or IF they reveal BOTH, they will most likely run the SAME OS, and the SAME GAMES that happen to scale to the hardware they are on, like a PC will change resolution/detail of a game depending on system specs.
Not to say that all games will always be compatible w/ all hardware, as there are plenty of games that depend on a certain version of the OS to be compatible, but you would essentially be developing for the same platform for the foreseeable future, assuming Nintendo got it right.
....this is all assuming of course that NX really is a software platform (and not just the next Nintendo hardware)

I see what you did there :p
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2042 on: September 15, 2016, 07:31:59 AM »
It's also telethon month, that can hardly be a coincidence, I bet Ronaghan knows more than he's letting on.  ;)

I would kill for a NX reveal on the telethon, yes.
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2043 on: September 15, 2016, 07:59:23 AM »
I've gotten to the point where I actually want NX to be Tegra-based only because of how smug and condescending SuperMetalDave64 has become in his videos. I've unsubscribed to his channel because he turned into such an intolerable **** when discussing NX. Otherwise, I don't care what SOC is powering NX. I just want to witness the shitstorm descendeth upon SMD64 and his channel for lulz purposes.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Calm before the storm? Edition)
« Reply #2044 on: September 15, 2016, 10:31:58 AM »
I want the deal to be with Nvidia because I think that one has the most potential to give Nintendo a more expensive box for a lot less cost.


Otherwise, I don't care. I just don't want Nintendo offering me a $250 game machine with budget GPU because of the cost of controls and screen.......

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« Reply #2045 on: September 15, 2016, 01:08:44 PM »
I want the deal to be with Nvidia because I think that one has the most potential to give Nintendo a more expensive box for a lot less cost.


Otherwise, I don't care. I just don't want Nintendo offering me a $250 game machine with budget GPU because of the cost of controls and screen.......

If it's tegra based then it's unlikely to really be close to pro or scorpio, and it still wouldn't be the performance nintendo is looking for.

After the X-Box left a bad taste in Nvidia's mouth, I doubt they'd be willing to lose money again.
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« Reply #2046 on: September 15, 2016, 01:35:22 PM »
Shout out to KeyBilly and his story. I lol'd many a time reading that, sir.

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« Reply #2047 on: September 15, 2016, 04:21:33 PM »
Thank you for the kindness!  It was strangely therapeutic for me.

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« Reply #2048 on: September 15, 2016, 06:54:05 PM »
Looks like Nintendo is gearing up for something! #NX baby!

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« Reply #2049 on: September 15, 2016, 09:05:36 PM »
What? I dont see anything NX related on their twitter page.

Did I miss something?