Gaming Forums => Nintendo Gaming => Topic started by: Kytim89 on February 27, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
Title: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on February 27, 2014, 09:11:16 PM
Perhaps the most two out casted consoles in the industry today are the Playstation Vita and the Wii U. Both suffer from less than spectacular sales and get potentially no third party support to amount to anything. They are, for the most part, strictly first party only systems when it comes to games with a smattering of decent third party games.
Which of the two consoles will have the best future?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: pokepal148 on February 27, 2014, 11:06:11 PM
Well the Wii U is the only one of the two I see having a future.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Oblivion on February 27, 2014, 11:10:54 PM
No third party support on the vita?
hehehehehe good one mate
No matter what Nintendo apologists say, Wii U's future is undoubtably, first party only now and forever. The Vita will continue to get a slight amount of Thirds in the US and a metric **** ton of thirds from Japan, like they've been getting already.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Luigi Dude on February 27, 2014, 11:31:03 PM
In the West - Wii U
In Japan - Vita
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on February 27, 2014, 11:50:23 PM
I accidentally read Oblivion's post to say "turds" instead of "thirds." I was mildly amused.
I say Wii U only because 2014 is a much stronger year for their first party software.
There are a few games I'm interested in on Vita, but I'm still holding out for a PS4-Vita bundle after PS4's first redesign. I messed around with a friend's Vita. It's a nice system; I just wish Sony had even the slightest clue what they want to do with it. Hell, I might just wait for a second redesign and another price cut.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on February 28, 2014, 01:07:26 AM
The Vita would have been a bigger threat had Sony used normal SD cards. As for the Wii U, it is not even en eighth generation home console and because of this it competes more with the Vita for market share than with any other console. The Wii U and Vita are competing for the title of "Dreamcast 2" and which ever one wins, and it seems likely it will be Wii U, gets the crown.
Could it be argued that Sony has abandoned the Vita?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: ShyGuy on February 28, 2014, 01:15:49 AM
The Wii U will have a successor. The Vita will not.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2014, 02:20:59 AM
The Vita would have been a bigger threat had Sony used normal SD cards.
Vita's proprietary memory cards are annoying, but they're hardly as big a deal as you're making them out to be.
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As for the Wii U, it is not even en eighth generation home console and because of this it competes more with the Vita for market share than with any other console.
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Could it be argued that Sony has abandoned the Vita?
No. They just launched Vita TV and a newer, (mostly) improved model. That doesn't sound like Sony abandoned or is abandoning it to me. Sony doesn't really have a gameplan, mainly due to not understanding the market. Vita lacks an identity and like PSP before it, Sony is still selling Vita as a handheld Playstation rather than a machine that can stand on its own merits. Cross-play is cool; Sony just bet on it being a bigger deal than it actually is. They may not know what to do with Vita, but they aren't giving up on it any time soon.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on February 28, 2014, 09:33:09 AM
The Vita would have been a bigger threat had Sony used normal SD cards.
Vita's proprietary memory cards are annoying, but they're hardly as big a deal as you're making them out to be. ...
I have to disagree with you there. That whole Memory card BS is a real deal breaker for the Vita. I would have bought one a long time ago if I could have used a Micro SD card or heck if Memory Stick. You just need so much raw space to even scratch the actual potential of the Vita.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on February 28, 2014, 09:54:51 AM
Put an SD card slot in a Vita and I still don't see it touching 3DS. Sony would get a few fence-sitters. Calling it "a bigger threat" after that would technically be true due to the slightly higher sales; putting any weight behind that description would be vastly exaggerating the affect of those sales. Vita's real problem is its lack of titles; the memory card controversy just makes that harder to swallow.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on February 28, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
It be easier to argue the whole title thing when you don't have to say, "You'll need a memory card to play it." It has enough titles and value add with the PS4 to have a better niche then it has. Its the high cost of initial ownership that is really weighing itself down from holding its own like Leapfrog does with its products.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
As for the Wii U, it is not even en eighth generation home console
Have you been reading Kotaku or IGN? Of course it is 8th Gen. Gens aren't about power.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ian Sane on February 28, 2014, 01:07:43 PM
I was pretty surprised when the Vita came out. The PSP didn't seem successful enough to justify a successor. I guess it did pretty good in Japan? It was clear that Sony doesn't get handhelds and as that marketshare gets pecked away by mobile devices it seems that only a company that really knows handhelds like Nintendo would be able to make a go at it. I assumed that any PSP successor would bomb so the Vita's lack of success is not at all surprising.
The Wii U's failure is a little surprising. I never had any faith in it once I found it had last gen specs and I was not impressed with the Gamepad which seems like a mere variation of the DS touchscreen but I expected a better effort from Nintendo. The choice of games they've developed is very subdued with a lack of innovation or ambition. Clearly the 3DS is where the "real" Nintendo games go and the Wii U is an afterthought. They seemingly gave up on the big hardware gimmick within months. The time between releases was surprising particularly when Nintendo pointed out the challenges of HD development during the Wii years and then failed to take their own advice and were caught off guard by the challenges of HD development. That alone might be Nintendo's most embarrassing and stupid blunder.
Because of Sony's reputation I figured that ANY new Sony handheld was doomed but Nintendo was perfectly capable of releasing a successful console. They have enough of a track record with that. And even with the Wii U's limitations Nintendo could have put in a much stronger effort. Sony is merely failing at extending their game division into another market while Nintendo is potentially going to be forced out of a market they effectively invented. The Vita will probably be just a failed side project like the Virtual Boy. The Wii U may end up like the 32X, the jump-the-shark failure that started a downhill slide towards irrelevance. The Vita is probably Sony's last handheld but that really doesn't matter in the longrun. The Wii U or its successor may be Nintendo's last console and that's a huge impact on the company and, hell, videogame history.
But the Wii U has Pikmin 3 so I want to get one at some point. If both products were discontinued and being sold at clearance prices I would buy the Wii U in a heartbeat but would not bother with the Vita.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on February 28, 2014, 01:23:11 PM
The Vita will probably be just a failed side project like the Virtual Boy...
...But the Wii U has Pikmin 3 so I want to get one at some point. If both products were discontinued and being sold at clearance prices I would buy the Wii U in a heartbeat but would not bother with the Vita.
And you would be a fool for discounting the Vita so easily. It is a handheld with a niche lineup, but the Vita has more and better software than the Wii U has (and will likely ever have), not to mention better 3rd party support. Hell, Danganronpa and Tearaway alone practically justify a purchase, not to mention the PS+ games. Don't put the Vita in the same category as the Virtual Boy, a terrible piece of hardware with almost universally terrible software (with the possible exception of Wario and that robot boxing game) and a sub-1 year lifespan.
As for the topic, the Wii U has a better future with 1st party titles than the Vita does (Sony seems to have given up on developing Vita software), but the Vita has a FAR brighter future with 3rd party titles than the Wii U has ever had or ever will have.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Phil on February 28, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
As for the Wii U, it is not even en eighth generation home console
Have you been reading Kotaku or IGN? Of course it is 8th Gen. Gens aren't about power.
No, gens are now all about power. Just like last generation the Wii outselling the 360 and PS3 didn't count, as Nintendo abandoned hardcore gamers, the hardware was really weak, and it was nothing but a fad... or something like that. The rules changed when Nintendo won, is the point.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Mop it up on February 28, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Wii U will likely sell more systems from the strength of Nintendo's first-party titles.
That said, both systems kind of have the same problem in that they lack an identity and need more unique software.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
Why is Broodwars the only that understands that this statement is entirely false?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on February 28, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
If Nintendo can continue to pump out more high quality first party titles then it will spur sales and attract more third party support. Let's be honest, the Wii U is not going to be home to large number of third party games, but the Wii U could get games that are exclusively to it such as No More Heroes 3, Shin Megami Tensai 5, and many others.
As for the Wii U and Vita's identity crisis, the two consoles are suffering mainly because they are the start of a new class of systems in the industry. The new class consists of bridging the gap between the home console and handheld, and many people are not excepting of this at first.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 08:23:08 PM
If Nintendo can continue to pump out more high quality first party titles then it will spur sales and attract more third party support.
Then I guess that's what happened with the Wii, right?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Technically, third party support did come to the Wii, but it was from B teams and C teams or unwanted titles.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Stratos on March 02, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Agreed. My shelf of beloved Wii games is filled with Nintendo 1st party efforts and titles that appear on EVERY hidden gems list ever created this past decade. I love those games, but I suspect most 'gamers' (both casual and core) only desire a few 'hidden gem' level games.
No More Heroes 3 will not move consoles unless something changes and I don't think Suda51 is capable so creating a blockbuster as we know it. He would not be Suda51 if he did make a blockbuster.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: lolmonade on March 02, 2014, 10:06:56 PM
The Wii U will probably have better sales, unless the Vita is able to successfully piggyback upon Playstation 4's success with connectivity features (I doubt it).
That said, I'm enamored with my Vita, and have played it MUCH more than my 3DS as of late. It's an awesome handheld, and it's too bad it hasn't gotten more widespread acceptance.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: ejamer on March 02, 2014, 10:47:27 PM
I wasn't a fan of PSP at all, but looking back now it's got a large and excellent library of games. Why would Vita be any different? Despite weak system sales, it's got decent developer support (better than 3DS in the West, I'd wager) and the hardware is solid.
If asked to bet now, I'd put my money on Vita having a longer life and bigger library of games. That might not answer the question though - because I value Nintendo first-party software very highly. (Go figure. Someone on a Nintendo fan site loves Nintendo games.)
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on March 03, 2014, 11:55:31 AM
I also feel the Vita's biggest hurdle initially was the Memory price. It was all kinds of ridiculous for any substantial size. I have a 4gb and a 8gb and both are not full. Have to reboot the system every time you swipe memory cards makes it an improbable solution. Also it should have been a phone or at least 4G.lte and it could have keep the 249.99 price tag. The hardware is flat out amazing and I wish it had more support but Sony could always build a bridge they have trouble supporting it.
VS.
The Wii U has a serious image problem. From people not knowing what it is to folks at GameStop still calling it "kiddie", there is a perceived lack of EPICNESS on Wii U and from Nintendo, and if Star Wars has taught us anything, its that "your perception determines your reality".
At the end of the day, the Wii U will be able to sustain a stable marketshare of 8th Gen (20-25%) while the Vita's destiny is ironically death.
Vita = Firefly
Wii U = Futurama
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: ejamer on March 03, 2014, 01:34:24 PM
We must be looking at different lists for upcoming releases - because everything I see shows Vita with stuff continuing to come out (slowly) while Wii U looks like it's getting absolutely cut off at the knees this year. Cancelled before it could hit it's stride, versus able to make a meaningful comeback? Guess only time will tell.
(Source: IGN release list shows less than 50 upcoming games for Wii U, and probably twice as many for Vita. I'm sure there will be more games come out for Wii U... but the release schedule is hardly robust.)
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2014, 01:47:36 PM
Vita has more momentum right now than the Wii U, or at least appears to. Both Sony and Nintendo are pretty stubborn, though, so I doubt either of them is going anywhere, or at least I hope not, because they're probably my two favorite game systems at the moment.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 03, 2014, 02:20:44 PM
Vita = Futurama
Wii U = Arrested Development (literally and figuratively).
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 03, 2014, 03:08:52 PM
Vita has more momentum right now than the Wii U, or at least appears to. Both Sony and Nintendo are pretty stubborn, though, so I doubt either of them is going anywhere, or at least I hope not, because they're probably my two favorite game systems at the moment.
Only in Japan. In this West, all of the Vita's upcoming games are pretty niche and won't do anything to boast hardware sales. Even though Nintendo has less games, Mario Kart and Smash Bros alone will boast Wii U sales much higher then anything the Vita can hope for.
I need to remind people that even with it's almost non-existent lineup last year, the Wii U still sold better then the Vita in the West. Hell, by the end of November, the Wii U had already surpassed the Vita's lifetime sales in North America and then sold 480k in December while the Vita sold less then 95k that month. Then in January, even with the Wii U doing a terrible 49k, that was still better then the Vita which sold under 15k.
Even if Sony doesn't discountinue the system in the West, most retailers will. Nintendo will at least have the advantage of decent holiday sales combined with it's major franchises giving retailers a reason to keep Wii U's stocked, even if its in smaller numbers like the Gamecube. The Vita has none of that going for it and unless Sony does something major, the system will be impossible to find in stores come 2015 since no one will carry it.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Mop it up on March 03, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
Man I wish the Wii U had similar third-party support as the Wii, as the Wii has lots of fun third-party games.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: shingi_70 on March 03, 2014, 09:14:51 PM
The Vita has much more momentum in both Markets.
To sum.it up I'll be buying a Vita this month while waiting for a price cut on the Wii U. That or Nintendo has to blow me away at E3.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on March 03, 2014, 10:11:12 PM
The Wii U will gain more momentum in each market as long as Nintendo can offer an ample supply of first party titles for the system. I mentioned this before, but if Nintendo could offer a Gamepad revision in Japan that was smaller like a Vita and bundled it with a Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, and Pokemon game then it would probably take off.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: shingi_70 on March 03, 2014, 10:58:06 PM
But its pretty obvious Nintendo can't keep the momentum up for two systems and that's not even including the resources that are going into the QOL initiative.
Hate to sound cynical but I could see Nintendo gone or handheld only in the next few years.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Spak-Spang on March 03, 2014, 11:32:19 PM
The difference in Vita and Wii U is also how long it has been on the market. Isn't the Vita in its 3rd year of life? Of course it will have a larger selection of games, and a larger selection of games coming out next year.
The important thing to remember with Nintendo consoles is that you have Nintendo publishing games for it. Which means, that with each new game released the console becomes more and more desirable. The first year of the Wii U was a wash, but this coming year combined with the first year will provide the Wii U with many compelling experiences exclusive to the Wii U and worth buying.
I am amazed that the Vita has been on the market so long and isn't doing better.
Starting of the Wii U's 3rd year, it will just continue to become a more viable console experience. Yes, it will never be the PS4 or Xbox One...but it doesn't need to be.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 04, 2014, 01:41:39 AM
Only it doesn't. Once again, the actual sales show the Vita is in a much worse position in the West then the Wii U and unlike the Wii U, it has no games that will even remotely give it a bump in the future.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: shingi_70 on March 04, 2014, 09:19:36 AM
Yet it will still get more games which in the end is all that matters hence my purchases.
Yeah the Wii U will still get games but it deserves bad sea if were going to just get Mario in 4D.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
The important thing to remember with Nintendo consoles is that you have Nintendo publishing games for it. Which means, that with each new game released the console becomes more and more desirable. The first year of the Wii U was a wash, but this coming year combined with the first year will provide the Wii U with many compelling experiences exclusive to the Wii U and worth buying.
You would think that Nintendo published games would make the difference but I'm a Nintendo fan and I haven't been inspired to buy a Wii U yet. Yeah there are Nintendo games and I like Nintendo games but most of them are franchises and genres that have been done to death. I'm interested in Pikmin 3 because there have only been two prior Pikmin games and it's a franchise that skipped a generation. But I'm sick of Mario. Nintendo has turned him into an annual franchise like Call of Duty. I don't give a **** that I've missed out on NSMB U and Super Mario 3D World because, frankly, it feels like I haven't missed out on anything. Meanwhile DKC is practically the same thing as Mario. I'm just not interested in buying a new console for stuff that feels like the same old thing, particularly when I already own a 3DS so if I want more Mario I've got NSMB2 and Super Mario 3D Land right there. Mario Kart and SSB are due later and I don't care. I've had my fill of those series. That's just the nature of any series. Meanwhile something like X does grab my interest because there has only been one Xenoblade game and there is a lot of potential still for new ideas.
I don't think I'm alone in my general apathy towards tired Nintendo franchises. I suspect that's part of why the Wii U isn't selling. How much a Mario nut do you need to be to buy a whole new console to play 2D Mario sidescrollers? When the last gen Mario Galaxy games come across a more cutting edge than the current Mario games on the Wii U, there's a problem. I think Nintendo has the talent to make any console worthwhile but they need to use it in exciting ways. Cliché retreads of old concepts aren't enough. Nintendo as a bold innovative developer is a selling point but Nintendo as a nostalgia based "oldies" dev is not.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on March 06, 2014, 02:23:23 PM
Figures. I bought a 3DS specifically for Pokémon when it came out. I guess I got some extra months of playtime out of my purchase.
Pretty weird to complain about this on Wii U when you bought a 3DS specifically for a series that has had a yearly main series release for the past three years, four if you count HeartGold and SoulSilver.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ian Sane on March 06, 2014, 03:03:42 PM
Figures. I bought a 3DS specifically for Pokémon when it came out. I guess I got some extra months of playtime out of my purchase.
Pretty weird to complain about this on Wii U when you bought a 3DS specifically for a series that has had a yearly main series release for the past three years, four if you count HeartGold and SoulSilver.
Personally I had not played Pokémon since Ruby/Sapphire so it isn't something I'm worn out on. I actually was interested in Pokémon X/Y specifically because it resembled the 3D Pokémon I've been waiting for more than any previous Pokémon game before it. It came across as new enough to get me back in the series. That's the point. Unlike other Pokémon games it grabbed my attention. Enough had changed over time to pull me out of Pokémon exile.
If someone hasn't played Mario in years and years then the Wii U Mario games might interest them. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, right? But for someone like myself that had been keeping up with the series I got Mario-ed out on the Wii. I'm bored of the series and need a break. Now not everyone will have kept up with every game but you can't just rely on that.
The Wii U ain't selling well and any optimism about it seems to rely on the assumption that as their are more first party games the system will become a more enticing product and will sell better. But Mario and Donkey Kong are already here and have done jack ****. So Mario Kart or SSB will suddenly buck that trend? What makes them so special? NSMB Wii was a MASSIVE hit and yet NSMB U has done nothing to encourage Wii U sales. I consider Nintendo's talent of a game developer to be their greatest asset but I don't think their own releases will save the Wii U if it's just the same thing everyone played on the Wii (or the Gamecube for that matter). They need to demonstrate that the Wii U offers something that other videogame systems don't.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Luigi Dude on March 06, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
The Wii U ain't selling well and any optimism about it seems to rely on the assumption that as their are more first party games the system will become a more enticing product and will sell better. But Mario and Donkey Kong are already here and have done jack ****. So Mario Kart or SSB will suddenly buck that trend? What makes them so special? NSMB Wii was a MASSIVE hit and yet NSMB U has done nothing to encourage Wii U sales.
We've gone over this before. NSMB Wii sold around the same as NSMB DS showing the audience for 2D Mario on handheld and home console is the same. Well Nintendo went and released a NSMB for the cheaper 3DS only 3 months before NSMB U for the more expensive Wii U. So for an audience that has no problem playing 2D Mario on either system, NSMB U loses appeal.
Mario Kart on the other hand is way more popular on home consoles then handhelds, with Mario Kart Wii selling over 10 million more then the DS game did. Makes sense considering Mario Karts appeal has always been the party aspect which is more fun to most people when played on a TV with each other. Smash Bros appeal is also the same way which is why even with the 3DS version, the Wii U version should still end up being the better seller as well.
This is why Mario Kart and Smash Bros are a much bigger deal for the Wii U since these franchises actually benefit from being played on a TV to much of their audience, while all of Nintendo's other big Wii U games have had handheld counterparts that those audiences don't care since it doesn't matter if they're played on a big or small screen since they were single player oriented.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 06, 2014, 03:44:12 PM
You'd think that people would finally be abandoning the "Wii U will be saved when such and such game releases" considering they've all failed. "New Super Mario Bros. U will sell Wii Us because NBMBW sold ludicrously well." "Wii Fit was a massive success so Wii Fit U will finally save the Wii U!" "Super Mario 3D World will do it this time! 3D Land saved the 3DS!" "Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze will move Wii Us because DKCR sold millions!"
Relying on past successes as an indicator of future success doesn't work when your console has ZERO consumer confidence.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 06, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
New Super Mario Bros. Wii was released in 2009 when there were already something like 70 million Wiis sold. The DS game also had a large install base to sell to. This just proves that, while it's a game a lot of people like, it's not something that many people will buy hardware just to play.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: pokepal148 on March 06, 2014, 09:02:42 PM
New Super Mario Bros. Wii was released in 2009 when there were already something like 70 million Wiis sold. The DS game also had a large install base to sell to. This just proves that, while it's a game a lot of people like, it's not something that many people will buy hardware just to play.
I agree. It's not as simple as "launch with Mario" like many Nintendo fans believe. Super Mario 64, for example, benefited from being a Mario game, but it also changed gaming. That's a lot to ask of any video game. For that reason, I don't buy into the whole character fatigue argument. A good game is a good game. Justifying an investment into a new console is something else entirely. It's easier to commit to purchasing a Wii U now that it finally has a decent selection of quality (mostly Nintendo) titles. Taking over a year and a half to get there continues to hurt it. A spotty release schedule will always damage a console's reputation.
I find most consoles difficult to recommend at or around launch. I bought Wii U at launch based on future potential. It has served my needs thus far though I had no delusions over what it had to offer, it would hit the notes I needed it to eventually. The last time I bought hardware at launch due to burning desire was GameCube and I didn't even have a game until Melee came out.
I'm confused over what people mean when referring to Wii U "being saved." Nintendo isn't going to "win" this generation. They can, however, still turn a profit and have done so in the past despite being in third place in terms of consoles sold. I'd say that's as close to "saving" the console as Nintendo is going to get when it finally releases titles like Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. Beyond early adopters, people either buy a console based on something they've never seen before or by having a decent amount of things to buy. Wii had the former; Wii U is inching closer to the latter. The evergreen status of their titles helps immensely.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 07, 2014, 09:23:13 AM
I think if 3D World had been the launch Mario, or even better a more ambitious Galaxy-styled 3D Mario, I think it would have done a better job of selling Wii Us. Those games would do a better job of convincing the core market to buy a $350 system at launch, and they could have released NSMBU later on when there was a bigger install base and a lower-priced console that mainstream people might get.
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Post by: Adrock on March 07, 2014, 09:38:59 AM
Most likely. As has been stated many times, launching with NSMBU made little sense mere months after NSMB2. It probably would have been better had Nintendo simply switched the release order of the two. Still, 3D World is the better of the two Wii U titles and far fresher so Nintendo should have planned that better.
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Post by: Luigi Dude on March 07, 2014, 03:28:32 PM
It should also be noted that the NSMB series has lost popularity even on the 3DS. On the DS, NSMB was a beast that outsold every other DS game even in it's first year and had monster legs throughout it's lifespan. Well right now, Pokemon, Mario Kart, and even Mario 3D Land have sold better then NSMB 2. Even the legs for NSMB 2 are weaker then Mario Kart 7, which is rather telling considering NSMB DS had much better legs then Mario Kart DS.
So it looks like the way Nintendo treated that series, has started to finally bite them. Yeah it's still over 7 million right now, but in comparison to how it performed on the DS, it's not as strong a brand anymore since series that were less popular on that system are more popular on the 3DS now.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on March 07, 2014, 06:42:10 PM
The NSMB series would have gotten better reception if Nintendo did not insist on making Bowser and his ilk the main baddies in every entry. The 3DS game should have had Wario (Waluigi instead of Bowser, jr.) as the main villain and the Wii U game could used Wart or some other bad guy to kidnap Peach.
As for the Wii U vs Vita, the Wii U will ultimately win due to it being a Nintendo console. If Nintendo combines their checkbook with the first party titles that have been on the back burner for the last few decades then the Wii U will be successful. It appears as though Sony has given up on the Vita and has reduced it to nothing more than an accessory for the PS4.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 07, 2014, 06:46:58 PM
I seriously doubt changing the enemies would have any significant effect on the reception of the games. They're more or less interchangeable. The kind of people who'd actually notice the difference probably wouldn't care.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Phil on March 07, 2014, 07:09:48 PM
New Super Mario Bros. on the DS was also the first traditional 2D Mario platformer in, what, like over a decade? Of course it would sell more, especially to a user base of over 100 million.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 07, 2014, 07:14:54 PM
What might actually get people interested in these games again would be to switch up the presentation. Lush, hand-drawn 2D sprites, and new/better music. Seeing that would immediately drive home the point that this is something new and different.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Phil on March 07, 2014, 07:22:03 PM
Reusing the music from Wii in both U and 2 annoyed me pretty well. Freaking lazy as freak.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Mop it up on March 08, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
I think that the concept of a killer app doesn't really exist anymore. Technology has advanced past the point where new systems will bring with them a totally new kind of game that we haven't seen before. Wii Sports is an exception that managed to avoid this, but systems like the PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, PS2, 3DS, DS, PSP, PSVita, etc. don't have anything that's a killer app.
Instead, for Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers, I imagine that the thinking for people here will be something along the lines of "Oh, a new Mario Kart/Smash Brothers game is out. There are a few other games I want for the Wii U also, so I think it's time I pick one up."
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: MagicCow64 on March 08, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
I think that the concept of a killer app doesn't really exist anymore. Technology has advanced past the point where new systems will bring with them a totally new kind of game that we haven't seen before. Wii Sports is an exception that managed to avoid this, but systems like the PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, PS2, 3DS, DS, PSP, PSVita, etc. don't have anything that's a killer app.
Instead, for Mario Kart 8 and Smash Brothers, I imagine that the thinking for people here will be something along the lines of "Oh, a new Mario Kart/Smash Brothers game is out. There are a few other games I want for the Wii U also, so I think it's time I pick one up."
I'm of this thinking as well. There's essentially nothing on Vita that couldn't be done better on the PS3 or PS4, and the odd high-quality exclusive isn't going to boost the hardware to a significant degree. And people pumping Borderlands 2 on Vita as some kind of game changer is just ridiculous. Really the Vita's main appeal (outside of acting as an expensive PS4 accessory) is playing console games on the go, which I personally don't find compelling. I don't particularly want a 3DS either for the same reason, though the software line-up still has a good amount of on-the-go Gameboy flavor. I did, however, own a DS even though I'm not a hand-held guy, and had a lot of fun playing Henry Hatsworth and Elite Beat Agents on the subway.
In the WiiU's case, I actually do think Mario Kart and Smash could pep up the platform a bit for the reasons Mop it Up mentions. Those are two highly popular multi-player centric experiences with a sterling history that will only be available on Nintendo platforms. I'm not expecting a miracle, but they could get the WiiU back on a Gamecube-level sales trajectory.
As for PS4/Xbone, I don't know if killer apps are really a thing. Titanfall is being pumped as such, but I doubt it's going to have much of an impact. A lot of big franchises have faded quite a bit over the last gen, so it's hard to see Gears 4, Halo 5, FFIV, etc. stirring up major sales spikes. The only thing that I think really qualified last gen was Gears of War, which was visually stunning at the time, but it's difficult to imagine a new IP blowing up the scene like that now that HD is well settled, and given the enormous proliferation of high-production value third-person and first-person shooters. Plus, the slow, cautious transition out of cross-gen titles is going to smooth the curve even more.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Stratos on March 08, 2014, 07:37:29 PM
The Killer App was killed by the Annualized Franchise. What used to be a multi-year build-up now has less than a year to build the same momentum and sink in with consumers before the next one is out of the gates running. At least make a two-year wait between releases so that the fan base has a chance to settle in and take root with a game and it's respective series. Ironically Activision may be moving a step in the right direction with the Call of Duty series with a three-year cycle. Granted, there will still be a game every year, but perhaps with the extra time between releases we can see each of these 'sub-series' develop into more unique and creative games...perhaps.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 08, 2014, 07:45:10 PM
Microsoft hasn't had anything that could really be called a killer app probably since the original Halo, and I'd argue Sony hasn't had one since Final Fantasy VII. Part of this might just be that it's harder to do something that had never really been done before now than in the past. Wii Sports and the Wii are a big exception to this, as they are to a lot of rules.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 08, 2014, 09:16:41 PM
*shrugs* What constitutes a "Killer App" is purely subjective, IMO. For me, Valkyria Chronicles was my "Killer App" for purchasing my PS3. Alan Wake was my "Killer App" for purchasing my 360. Most people wouldn't cite these games as such on platforms that have games like Uncharted and Gears of War, but that's what they were for me.
From where I stand, there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all "Killer App" anymore, much as there isn't just one or two TV networks that everyone watches anymore containing programs with 90% market share (like I Love Lucy and MASH). Interests have diversified over the years, and as such the console manufacturers and content creators have to ensure that their software lineups are similarly diverse to compete.
There's essentially nothing on Vita that couldn't be done better on the PS3 or PS4
Clearly you haven't played Tearaway, a game made entirely for the inputs and features that only the Vita natively has. You could emulate some aspects of them on the PS4 with the camera and the touchpad, but the game wouldn't be anywhere near as good or control as fluidly.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: smallsharkbigbite on March 08, 2014, 09:40:13 PM
I think that the concept of a killer app doesn't really exist anymore. Technology has advanced past the point where new systems will bring with them a totally new kind of game that we haven't seen before. Wii Sports is an exception that managed to avoid this, but systems like the PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, Wii U, PS2, 3DS, DS, PSP, PSVita, etc. don't have anything that's a killer app.
I'd argue most of the past systems don't have a killer app either. I think the killer apps of old (Tetris, Super Mario Bros) weren't really technology driven but were driven by uniqueness. Uniqueness is hard to come by now. 10,000s of games have been released since video game consoles first came on the market and most are easy to place in well defined genres. You'd really need to create a new genre of games to come up with a killer app. That's what Nintendo did with Wii Sports bringing motion control to the living room.
I think it's crazy that Nintendo continues to hang it's hat on coming up with unique controls that add value. Many people thought Mario 64 was justification for analog. I thought the DS remake was excellent and I never used the touch controls, but rather the SNES layout. Barring obviously not enough HP to run graphics, Mario 64 could have been an excellent SNES title.
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Titanfall is being pumped as such, but I doubt it's going to have much of an impact. A lot of big franchises have faded quite a bit over the last gen, so it's hard to see Gears 4, Halo 5, FFIV, etc. stirring up major sales spikes.
I think the thing Microsoft is going to do better than Nintendo is they are going to keep their userbase engaged with constant quality releases which will drive consumers to their system. Titanfall as a free pack in is an awesome idea. Imagine 6 months in (when most realized the Wii U was struggling) and Nintendo came out with 3D world as a pack-in? I think that would have boosted consumer interest before people just got tired of the Wii U. Then those other titles (and more) are gravy (imagine Nintendo coming out with X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart, Smash, Pikmin, Zelda the rest of 2013). That lineup would have killed and Wii U would be blazin right now. If Nintendo could pump out 15-20 quality (real quality not just releases) a year the Wii U would be doing well. Nintendo can't do that and with no third party support they have no hope of getting to that level. Which means that some consumers will never see enough value to pick up a Wii U for just a few games and Wii U owners are likely to get disinterested in the Wii U and not keep up with new releases.
I also think the main difference between Microsoft and Nintendo is Microsoft created alot of ill-will with consumers right before the Xbox One released. Maybe they can't get back consumer trust, but I think Microsoft's issue right now is more than just a game issue which is what Nintendo's issue is. They also have price decreases to bring consumer excitement whereas Nintendo already has a reasonably priced console.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: MagicCow64 on March 09, 2014, 03:08:58 AM
*shrugs* What constitutes a "Killer App" is purely subjective, IMO. For me, Valkyria Chronicles was my "Killer App" for purchasing my PS3. Alan Wake was my "Killer App" for purchasing my 360. Most people wouldn't cite these games as such on platforms that have games like Uncharted and Gears of War, but that's what they were for me.
From where I stand, there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all "Killer App" anymore, much as there isn't just one or two TV networks that everyone watches anymore containing programs with 90% market share (like I Love Lucy and MASH). Interests have diversified over the years, and as such the console manufacturers and content creators have to ensure that their software lineups are similarly diverse to compete.
There's essentially nothing on Vita that couldn't be done better on the PS3 or PS4
Clearly you haven't played Tearaway, a game made entirely for the inputs and features that only the Vita natively has. You could emulate some aspects of them on the PS4 with the camera and the touchpad, but the game wouldn't be anywhere near as good or control as fluidly.
Not super familiar with what Tearaway is like, but come now, surely one of those tablet apps could take care of a lot of it on a PS3/4 port (which may not be out of the question given the Vita sales of the game). Is there anything besides the rear touchpad that is a unique input method to the Vita? When I played Okami on Wii, though, I couldn't fathom how that game would be playable with just analog sticks.
This brings up something I've been wondering about in general: How is DS/3DS/Wii/WiiU legacy software going to work? If Nintendo makes another home console, will they still recognize Wiimotes? If not, or in some future where Nintendo liquidates their current operational structure and starts selling 50-in-one Super Nintendo fascimiles at Walgreens, it's probably going to be a huge problem trying to emulate motion-control centric or resistive touchpad-centric games in the future, not to mention gyro controls and mics and whatnot.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Shaymin on March 09, 2014, 08:36:17 AM
For Tearaway, the Vita cameras are also used. And they set up plot events.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: UncleBob on March 09, 2014, 11:42:13 AM
Clearly you haven't played Tearaway, a game made entirely for the inputs and features that only the Vita natively has. You could emulate some aspects of them on the PS4 with the camera and the touchpad, but the game wouldn't be anywhere near as good or control as fluidly.
Funny. Isn't trying to shoe-horn in all the "gimmicky" inputs something that games on Nintendo consoles always get slammed for? Forced waggle and such?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Stratos on March 09, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
Forced Waggle is so last gen.
This gen it is Forced Wiggle and that is cool because it is not the crappy 'Waggle' Nintendo was offering.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 09, 2014, 01:45:42 PM
Funny. Isn't trying to shoe-horn in all the "gimmicky" inputs something that games on Nintendo consoles always get slammed for? Forced waggle and such?
It is, but that's because Nintendo typically does a really bad job of getting the tech to work right in the first place and justifying the tech's existence. The whole reason the term "waggle" exists is to describe tacked-on gimmicky bullshit that makes the game worse by offering an inferior version of an existing experience.
The best game I can compare Tearaway to that I think you would appreciate is something like Zack & Wiki on the Wii, a game designed for the many different types of input the Wiimote could do and is a better game for it. It doesn't require precise inputs, but the way you use the Wiimote better immerses you in what the game is trying to do. Tearaway is very similar: it's a game about taking an existing experience and customizing it in a way that reflects you. It is a game where you're a godlike being holding the world in your hands as part of the story, so when you see the Sun in the game you're seeing yourself looking into the game world; when you see an obstacle in Iota's path it feels natural to take your fingers and fold it out or crush it; and when you see a character or prop the game encourages you to play with it and customize it using the camera and your fingers to mold as you please. Hell, when you come across areas of weaker paper, your own fingers "pop in" through the back screen into the game world as an instrument of Almighty influence. In the end, the message of the game is that your experience with a story only matters when you make it your own, which is supported by what otherwise would be tacked-on input gimmicks.
Tearaway isn't a game with "shoehorned gimmicks." It's a game about taking what ordinarily would be shoehorned gimmicks and organically framing the game's entire message around what only those inputs could provide. That's a far cry behind "oh look, I can shake my controller to roll in a game with 2 completely unused face buttons" or "oh look, I can shake my controller to kind of, sort of swipe my sword in a game that kind of, sort of (half the time) approximates what I'm doing."
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Mop it up on March 09, 2014, 05:06:29 PM
From where I stand, there's no such thing as a one-size-fits-all "Killer App" anymore... Interests have diversified over the years, and as such the console manufacturers and content creators have to ensure that their software lineups are similarly diverse to compete.
That's kind of my point. There isn't going to be one single game that will sell the Wii U, and instead, as more and more games get released, sales should pick up.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Kytim89 on March 09, 2014, 08:08:34 PM
I was reading about the Playstation Now service and it suddenly dawned on me that Sony's financial situation does not seem to be improving, or at least in the long term, and the Playstation Now service is their attempt to immortalize the Playstation brand into something that no longer makes big budgeted home consoles, but simply develops games and streams them to homes and devices.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 09, 2014, 08:42:02 PM
Yeah, Sony desperately wants to get out of the console business; they've only sold 5 million PS4s in the first four months.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 09, 2014, 10:40:32 PM
Yes I'm sure having the camera on during gameplay adds SO much to tearaway...
See, the advantage I hold here is that I've actually played the game and know what I'm talking about, whereas you clearly do not. It's the unfair advantage we Enlightened Few who own a Vita posses, it's true, but that's our cross to bear. Truly, there cannot possibly be a major experiential component to having a camera active in a game about customizing the world and making Arts & Crafts using materials from the real world (and where "You" are a major character in the world). ::) Sit down, child. The grown-ups are talking. Go play Chibi Robo 3DS or something, where I'm sure having a camera onduring gameplay couldn't possibly add SO much as well. and yes, that was sarcasm, if that was too much over your head there
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2014, 03:02:24 AM
Are we the only two Vita owners on NWR?
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 10, 2014, 03:26:34 AM
No, there are at least 6: you, myself, Ceric, Shaymin, Dr. Metts, and Insanolord.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 10, 2014, 03:41:09 AM
I played the Tearaway demo, and honestly, I really wasn't impressed by it. The comparison to early DS games that insisted upon using every feature on the system just because seems fair to me. Maybe the rest of the game gets better about it.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: broodwars on March 10, 2014, 03:48:14 AM
I played the Tearaway demo, and honestly, I really wasn't impressed by it. The comparison to early DS games that insisted upon using every feature on the system just because seems fair to me. Maybe the rest of the game gets better about it.
It does, but that's a fair assessment of the demo. The game doesn't really start to hammer in its mission statement until about 1/3 - 1/4 of the way through the game, and the demo takes place in a very early part of the game before the game even unlocks many of its features.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on March 10, 2014, 02:02:45 PM
No, there are at least 6: you, myself, Ceric, Shaymin, Dr. Metts, and Insanolord.
I've fairly sure Zach and Neal have one.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 11, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
They do, as well as at least a few other staff members. Some of them don't really spend much time in the forums, though, because they think they're better than us.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Stratos on March 11, 2014, 11:43:40 AM
Insanolord is the People's Staffer. He cares for our needs.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on March 11, 2014, 01:37:03 PM
That normally happens. Have someone at least semi active on the Forums, see Kairon, then they become staff and *bamm* they leave us.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 11, 2014, 01:48:34 PM
That's why Neal made me Community Manager, because I was the only person on staff who wanted anything to do with the forums.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: marvel_moviefan_2012 on March 12, 2014, 09:41:24 PM
I can chime in on the topic at hand, well the OP anyways. I think the Vita is going to fade away and be forgotten maybe not like the N-Gage but more like the Game Gear, whereas the Wii U has the potential to at least reach levels somewhere between Dreamcast and Game Cube, and will make a mid-generation bounce back once the games start rolling in and the price comes down.
I don't know about everyone else but the Vita does not have a single game I am interested in that I can not get elsewhere, but the Wii U has at least three games out now I am aching to buy and at least two more on the way that for me make it very appealing. The games out now are Sonic Lost Worlds, Super Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, the two for sure that have me interested are Watch Dogs and Hyrule Warriors. I know Watch Dogs is multiplatform and I will likely get it on PS3 unless I give in and get a PS4 but Hyrule Warriors looks like the Zelda game I have been waiting for, a game that focuses on the action, and hopefully has minimal side quests. As for Watch Dogs, with the recent announcement they are really trying to make use of the Game Pad has changed my mind about it having potential to be great. I just hope it isn't delayed too far down the road or else people forget about it.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2014, 09:49:22 AM
I'm waiting for Lost World to go on sale personally and I somehow lost my Gamepad...
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: ymeegod on March 13, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Tearaway wins 3 more awards including best mobile game of 2012.
Sad this title didn't sell worth beans on the Vita.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Ceric on March 13, 2014, 02:48:18 PM
Its not a bad game and I'm glad I got it for a good price.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Mop it up on March 13, 2014, 06:44:49 PM
Wow, there are 8 of you?! That's a lot!
...Then again, I'm not so sure there are 8 people here who own a Wii U. Hm, now I'm curious...
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2014, 10:56:07 AM
I thought there was a dedicated Vita thread in the General Gaming forum. I couldn't find it so I didn't know where else to put this. I've finally put a decent amount of time into the Vita (played Batman: Arkham Origins - Blackgate). It's a very nice, well-constructed handheld. I can definitely see myself picking one up in the future. There just isn't enough there for me to justify buying one now. A price drop and another revision might do the trick. Phantasy Star Nova being brought to the US would help tremendously. I'd like to pair it with a PS4 which I won't be picking up for a while.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: shingi_70 on March 16, 2014, 12:54:40 PM
No price drop anytime soon but they have a revision coming out pretty soon. (http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1179/11799911/2448621-vitabord.jpg)
I'd sale PS+ and the amount of sales PSN has sort of Justifys it.
Title: Re: The Ultimate Showdown of Outcasted Consoles: Wii U vs Vita
Post by: Adrock on March 16, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
A price drop and another revision might do the trick.
Not expecting a price drop any time soon, just stating that's part of what it would take for me to buy a Vita. And I'm aware of the 2000 model (it has a worse screen that probably still looks great, but everything else is better). I'm referring to potential second revision that hopefully further improves battery life. I wouldn't pay $200 for a 3DS. There's no way I'm paying $200 for Vita. I'll be waiting for a sale or an official price drop. Another revision may coincide with a price drop. If not, it doesn't matter how long that takes to drop to a price I'm comfortable paying. I have plenty of video games.
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I'd sale PS+ and the amount of sales PSN has sort of Justifys it.
