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Title: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Are there any wrestling fans here? Specifically, the current product. It would be nice to be able to talk about what is happening on Raw, SmackDown, NXT, Impact, etc. with others here on the board. If there is interest, we could even have live chats during the shows (like in a chat room).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on April 29, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
Obligatory mention of the old hidden Wrestling forum on PlanetGameCube.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 29, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
Are there any wrestling fans here? Specifically, the current product. It would be nice to be able to talk about what is happening on Raw, SmackDown, NXT, Impact, etc. with others here on the board. If there is interest, we could even have live chats during the shows (like in a chat room).

I watch TNA Wrestling and WWE Raw (don't watch Smackdown as much anymore)>
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
SmackDown is more wrestling based, Raw is more storyline based. Both have their own strengths though.

GP, did you watch the Raw draft this week? I am a fan of The Hart Dynasty, so I was happy to see them win the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship from ShoMiz.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 29, 2010, 05:14:19 PM
SmackDown is more wrestling based, Raw is more storyline based. Both have their own strengths though.

GP, did you watch the Raw draft this week? I am a fan of The Hart Dynasty, so I was happy to see them win the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship from ShoMiz.

Haven't seen it yet. Have it recorded though
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Mop it up on April 29, 2010, 05:31:53 PM
WWF Wrestlemania 2000 for the Nintendo 64 is the best wrestling videogame ever made.

That is all.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on April 29, 2010, 05:49:08 PM
ooh the current product...no. I used to be a big fan of wrestling, but it pretty much died for me around the time WWF bought WCW. I also lost some respect when they changed their name to WWE. I was wearing a Stone Cold shirt that had like nice nitted WWF logos on the side, and my friends were like..."how OLD is that shirt?". Most of my favorite Wrestlers are either A)found better work in movies B) retired C) not in a televised wrestling organization D) Dead
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 29, 2010, 06:41:54 PM
About the name change, they were basically forced too. They had been battling for years with the World Wide Fund for Nature (whose US operation is still known as the World Wildlife Fund) over the WWF initials. Eventually they lost the lawsuit and were banned from using the WWF initials (as well as the WWF scratch logo), so they change their name from World Wrestling Federation to World Wrestling Entertainment on May 5, 2002 (using a campaign called Get the "F" Out).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 29, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
I still watch pretty regularly, though if I have to work and DVR it I tend to forget. *shrug* My favourite wrestlers are Jericho and CM Punk - just too bad they're on separate shows now.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on April 29, 2010, 09:05:32 PM
the fight was over the initials WWF, not the name of the company, the name of the company was World Wrestling Federation not WWF, losts of things have the same initials, but as long as the typeface appear different there is no conflict. There can be an Apple Computer Company And an Apple Records, and an Apple Books. The biggest deal was over the use of the website www.wwf.com, they could have simply moved to www.wwfwrestling.com and or www.titansports.com/wwf. You shouldn't be able to own initials in my opinion. 

read this article

http://books.google.com/books?id=kPIz4TNTpYEC&pg=PA1019&lpg=PA1019&dq=initials+and+trademarks&source=bl&ots=hHfwNpJ5ua&sig=jajvzrmCCL1NwcMtmfO_1ZkdwQA&hl=en&ei=3inaS6jRL4uSsgPan6hr&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=initials%20and%20trademarks&f=false

it has some insights in the different trademark laws of different countries
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TheBlackCat on April 30, 2010, 01:00:13 PM
My dad was actually a wrestler in high school.  He had the schools record for fastest pin.  That would be good, except for the fact that he was the one being pinned.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on April 30, 2010, 01:33:11 PM
Hey-Oh!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 30, 2010, 01:54:20 PM
the fight was over the initials WWF, not the name of the company, the name of the company was World Wrestling Federation not WWF, losts of things have the same initials, but as long as the typeface appear different there is no conflict. There can be an Apple Computer Company And an Apple Records, and an Apple Books. The biggest deal was over the use of the website www.wwf.com, they could have simply moved to www.wwfwrestling.com and or www.titansports.com/wwf. You shouldn't be able to own initials in my opinion. 

read this article

http://books.google.com/books?id=kPIz4TNTpYEC&pg=PA1019&lpg=PA1019&dq=initials+and+trademarks&source=bl&ots=hHfwNpJ5ua&sig=jajvzrmCCL1NwcMtmfO_1ZkdwQA&hl=en&ei=3inaS6jRL4uSsgPan6hr&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=initials%20and%20trademarks&f=false

it has some insights in the different trademark laws of different countries

Was this aimed at me? Because I made it clear in my post that I knew the fight was over the initials. They had been fighting over the initials since the 1980s. The two sides had reached a deal in 1994, but the nature fund brought up the lawsuit after the wrestling company launched their website (which the courts later ruled had violated the agreement). Once they lost the right to legally use the "WWF" initials (which is also why they always blur out the "F" and mute the "F" in old video footage), it didn't make sense to keep the promotions name as World Wrestling Federation. Imagine if the National Football League was suddenly barred from using the "NFL" initials, would they keep their name or change it?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on April 30, 2010, 09:57:20 PM
Ouch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt77_08Ea10&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt77_08Ea10&NR=1)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlIR4ZAR5mM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlIR4ZAR5mM&feature=related)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on April 30, 2010, 11:56:55 PM
The initial debate only had effect overseas(where the world wildlife fund for nature is located), they were being sued by the panda company in Britain, not the U.S.  The issue was over the website, WWF resued the WWE  in 2000, in 2001 WWE was appealing, but then decided to change their name ending 20 years of branding. WWE could have continued to be WWF in the U.S. had they just changed the URL of their website. I hate patent and trademark cases especially international ones where 2 companies own trademarks in different countries.

We all know the names of the companies are not officially WWF, and that they were World Wildlife Fund for Nature and World Wrestling Federation, their trademarked logos looked nothing alike, so it should follow that the company should be able to abbreviate their name whether spoken in context or by logo without litigation. Its just pisses me off that instead of following through with their appeal they bitched out last minute and change their name to the stupid name that is WWE. The company is supposed to represent toughness, and that's just not what it was articulating. Screw the UK courts and their Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Lylat Wars, and WWF.

and I miss WCW :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXnT8QkZbB8

the problem with kayfabe is when something really bad does happen. I remember when Owen Hart died I was watching the pay-per-view with a scrambled signal (audio was fine, video was distorted), and they were like Owen Hart has just died and that was crazy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqa_G__gQ0
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 01, 2010, 01:12:41 PM
I used to be part of the old hidden wrestling forum. I still watch WWE RAW and TNA Impact, though I have no idea why. I basically just fast-forwards through both of them and spent maybe 30 minutes combined on both shows. I'm too lazy to watch SmackDown, and NXT is lame. I watch PPVs on veetle, though I did actually go to WrestleMania 24 (saw HBK retire Shawn Michaels, and I saw the pyro shoot into the crowd after the Undertaker won the World Championship).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: D_Average on May 01, 2010, 01:36:22 PM
I used to be a huge Ultimate Warrior fan.  Once he stepped down, I just couldn't get back into it.  Is there much cross over these days with fans of WWE and UFC, or is it kind of one of the other for most fans?  How do wresting fans feel about Brock Lesnar's accomplishments in the UFC?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
thats the other thing about wrestling, i used to have the suspension of disbelief and it made it fun, but WWE took steps to eliminate gimmicks and push wrestlers that were more realistic...but that made it less entertaining.

I dont watch UFC unless i happen to be at someone elses house, but lately since Cain Velasquez of my High School is one of the main stars i'v been pretty interested in the results. I'm hoping he wins the heavy weight bout soon. I have my suspicions about whether ufc is real or kayfabe though.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 01, 2010, 08:50:31 PM
I used to be a huge Ultimate Warrior fan.  Once he stepped down, I just couldn't get back into it.  Is there much cross over these days with fans of WWE and UFC, or is it kind of one of the other for most fans?  How do wresting fans feel about Brock Lesnar's accomplishments in the UFC?

There is a good amount of crossover support, although WWE tries to downplay it. I am not sure about the general consensus on Lesnar, but I personally don't care for him anymore. He got a UFC contract ONLY because of his fame in WWE (he had a 1-0 record when they signed him) and also got his title shot ONLY because of his wrestling fame (he was 2-1). I don't like how in MMA and boxing someone can defend their title as little as 2 times a year (Lesnar's first defense of the UFC Heavyweight Championship was 9 months after he won it) and that they often they get to keep their titles even when injured or sick (Lesnar is still champion even though he hasn't fought since July 2009 and Randy Couture QUIT the UFC and wasn't stripped of the title, so he went 15 months in-between fights).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 01, 2010, 08:56:35 PM
maybe Lesnar is ruining the sport. Velasquez is always announced to fight the champion only to be snubbed with a card change weeks later. I'd hate to see locker room politics make their way into UFC.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 01, 2010, 11:27:14 PM
Yes, I'm a fan. I watch TNA iMPACT! weekly.

Am I a happy fan? Nope.

I too miss WCW.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2010, 12:41:58 AM
Would it be fair to take Lesnar's title away when he was out with a huge illness that could have potentially killed him? Would it have been fair to take Frank Mir's title away when he was injured in a motorcycle accident? That's the thing that I *do* like about UFC - they understand that **** happens. Also, you can't fight and defend your title every month - that would shorten your career by years, and it would take away from other firghters. There's hardly anyone in UFC that fights more than twice a year. Also, I don't think Lesnar's WWE fame had *that* much to do with him getting a title shot, or a contract in the first place. Sure, it didn't hurt - but the man is an absolute freak of nature and is a former NCAA wrestling champion. No one has even taken him down to the mat yet (not counting Mir's knee bar, which was due to a poor decision by the ref).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 02, 2010, 02:55:13 AM
Which is double why I wanna see him fight Velasquez, their both pretty talented mat wrestlers. I had forgotten about Lesnar's illness,  but i think there should be at the most a 9 month(a gestation!) before title lapse, and then tournament!!! LOL maybe thats too Wrastling.

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 02, 2010, 04:17:07 AM
Which is double why I wanna see him fight Velasquez, their both pretty talented mat wrestlers. I had forgotten about Lesnar's illness,  but i think there should be at the most a 9 month(a gestation!) before title lapse, and then tournament!!! LOL maybe thats too Wrastling.



Perhaps but most thought his career was over, to beat those odds and return is something pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 02, 2010, 02:43:06 PM
Bradogg, I am not saying that they have to defend the title every month. I DO think there should be a limit to how long you can go without defending the title. Four months is more than fair. If a person goes four months without defending it, strip them of the title. I don't care if it's because of illness or injury, they shouldn't be champion if they can't defend it. Why did Lesnar wait 9 months after winning the title before defending the belt? He wasn't sick or injured.

If Lesnar hadn't been famous for being one of the top stars in wrestling, he wouldn't have gotten all his shots so quickly. He got a UFC contract after only one fight. He got a title shot despite having only 2 fights in UFC (one of which was a loss to Frank Mir.)

Don't even get me started on this fake "interim champion" crap. That is basically saying "here is this pretend champion while the REAL champion sits out without defending his title". They wouldn't have to have fake titles if they stripped champions who weren't willing/able to defend their titles.

If my posts sounds negative, it's not meant at MMA in general. I like MMA, it's just certain things about it I have problems with.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 02, 2010, 02:47:07 PM
I am a fan of the Mid 90's- to 2005 era of wrestling.

I like TNA since most of my favorite wrestlers are on there.

Favorite wrestlers?

Female Wrestler:Lita
Cruiserweight:Rey Mesterio Jr.
Technical:Bret "The Hitman" Hart
WCW:Sting
90's WWE: Stone Cold Steve Austin
Today WWE:John Cena
TNA:Kurt Angle
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 02, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
Back to UFC for a minute - you do understand that Dana White runs the company right? He creates the matches - the champion defends his title when he is told to do so. This isn't a bunch of freelance fighters picking and choosing who and when they fight (for the most part) - they are all under contract.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 02, 2010, 10:59:10 PM
Dana White is a douche, that is no secret. He especially makes that fact clear when a big name fighter signs with a rival company (or his threat that any fighter who signed up to be in EA Sports MMA would never get a UFC contract). The fighters can ask to fight more often, and White does deserve some of the blame.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on May 03, 2010, 05:29:28 PM
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ooh the current product...no. I used to be a big fan of wrestling, but it pretty much died for me around the time WWF bought WCW.

Yep, that's pretty much the moment for me, too.  Though I find that stuff from 1998 onwards is hard to watch today.  That's when things really went all "sports entertainment" and that doesn't seem to hold up very well in later viewings.
 
Though I don't watch current wrestling anymore I do buy a lot of the DVDs with historical matches on them.  My brother and I started a project where I listed all the matches I have on DVD in a spreadsheet and we are watching them in chronological order.  The cut-off is Wrestlemania XVII as that was shortly after the WCW purchase and as it paid off the angles going at the time it seemed like a fitting conclusion.  It's been a lot of fun.  The only issue is the WWE puts an unskipable "don't try this at home" warning at the beginning of every disc and since I pretty much have to switch a disc after every match we have to watch this a million times.  It's so fucking annoying.
 
I've noticed that even though I was a big WWF fan at the time there are certain things about the league that always annoyed me.  They're very noticable if you're constantly switching between different leagues like we are.  But then I notice things I don't care for about WCW and ECW as well.  All the different leagues had their pros and cons.  Being able to watch ALL of them was very important as it provided balance.
 
I don't think it's a coincidence that once the WWF ceased to have competition that I started to dislike it because suddenly THIS style of wrestling is IT.  If I don't like what I'm seeing I've got nothing else.  That sucks.  For the WWF what I didn't like was that it seemed ashamed of being pro wrestling.  They didn't acknowledge the history of the other leagues.  Wrestlers would come from one league and be treated like rookies in the WWF.  "Wrestlers" are "superstars".  There was an obvious attempt to call their product "entertainment" as opposed to a sport.  Now we all know wrestling is fake but like any good fiction it has to act like it's legitimate.  You can't talk about sports entertainment ON THE SHOW.  That's like an actor breaking the fourth wall in a TV show.
 
What I liked about them is the production values were by far the most professional and they were very good at delivering on their storylines with usually the fan favourite winning in the end.  You could tell that there was some sort of overall plan and vision to the angles.  WCW usually had the problem that there was no central leadership so all sorts of inconsistent and incoherent **** would go down.  Plus WCW had an inferiority complex.  They wanted to be the WWF and when they tried to copy the more sports entertainment elements of it they usually came up with something really stupid and goofy (Dungeon of Doom).  WCW had better in-ring wrestling though and treated their sport with more prestige.  ECW's greatest flaw was that its chaotic nature was rather one-dimensional but otherwise it was flawless.
 
I tried to watch TNA when it got it's own weekly show but it was too similar to the WWE for me to like it.  It seems like it's the WCW inferiority complex taken to the extreme.  TNA comes across as a bad rip-off of WWE, which I already disliked to begin with.
 
My brother and I have, probably like any fan, discussed what we would make if we had our own wrestling league with a TV show and everything.  We figured the key thing would be to act like this is a totally REAL sport which I think both leagues fail at.  We've all seen a match where the title switches hands when someone runs in and hits the guy with a chair behind the refs back.  Does that make ANY sense at all?  Can you imagine watching the Superbowl and some guy just pops in and interferes with the game and the refs miss it but it's on camera and the NFL just lets this go?  It wouldn't happen.  It's incoherent.  Or angles where the heels actually do something that would land them in jail?  Or floating cameras that just happen to exist backstage when this is supposed to be a live sporting event?  Or evil authority figures that are openly corrupt?  Or guys who just waltz down to the ring and get on a mic and start yakking and the league just allows it?  That's all sports entertainment stuff that makes NO FUCKING SENSE and that's really why I stopped watching.  Good fiction has to be coherent.
 
And we would have a name that sounded like some sort of athletic sports league.  Total Nonstop Action doesn't mean anything.  World Wrestling Entertainment reveals the fakeness in the name.  They really should have gone back to the old WWWF (World Wide Wrestling Federation) name from the 60's and 70's since it sounds legitimate.  I think something like the National Wrestling League (NWL) would work well for a name.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on May 03, 2010, 10:39:42 PM
Sounds like you'd like Ring of Honor. They have their moments of SPORTS-ENTERTAINMENT~ but other than that it's presented as an athletic competition.

Their TV show is on Mondays before Raw if by chance you get HDNet.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 03, 2010, 11:04:55 PM
Too bad HDNet is only in like 1% of US homes.

I find most Ring of Honor stuff boring. ROH is like 1970s wrestling: very little storylines (at least on their TV show, which is taped 3 months ahead of time and results in tonights episode having been taped back in February), mediocre production values, and most matches being way too long. Some of the ROH matches were pretty good though, like most matches with Bryan Danielson (now competing in WWE as Daniel Bryan) and CM Punk.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 03, 2010, 11:08:28 PM
I can say for sure when I started watching wrestling. I was talking to my friend on a phone and he told me to turn it to channel 18 which was USA, now it must have been right after Shawn Michaels got injured and was out for years, because he was out of the picture. The focus on the show was definitely Stone Cold and his feud with McMahon, im thinking (according to wikipedia) it was immediately after Austin won the title. Now, my only exposure to wrestling before that was WCW vs NWO world tour, flipping through the channels in the 80s, and whatever extra exposure Hogan and Macho Man, and the Hitman got outside the ring. After that day though I had become an instant fan. I still was confused though. I started watching WCW because I wasn't quite aware of the difference between federations. Soon after though I became one of those walking wrestling stat tanks, I knew all the wrestlers their height, weight, etc. Unlike Ian though, i find 98' to early 2000s great to watch. Being a wrestling fan led me to all my current best friends, because wiithout similar interests they wouldnt be my friends at all.

Pretty soon after I was invited to friends pay-per views, we would dress up like wreslters and have backyard fights on mattresses, and we would break tables and hit each other with chairs :P fun stuff. I remember dressing up like Scott Steiner, I find it kinda funny because we used to have to paint our faces to have beards.

WWF had better presentation and better announcers and had the Titan-tron. I liked Bobby Heenan, but Tony Shiavone was really the only thing that was wrong with WCW. He seriously dragged them down. You could not be edgy with that guys voice as your announcer. He’s a good announcer though, but he seems a better fit for some other sport. Even though it’s a contradiction to say having some classiness is bad for wrestling..who doesn’t like Mean Gene Okerland?

WCW had better matches. I always liked watching the Luche-Libre fighters or the Japanese guys fight for the Cruiserweight title. Its weird seing the rookies of the era are the old timers of today. Its like watching Raging Bull

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Obvious greats were Austin and the Rock, but I really liked the stable wars over in WCW. The Wolf pack vs now. Hogan was actually phenomenal as a villain. I could go on forever.

Also, the nice thing about where I lived was that WCW and WWF didn't actually compete for a Time Slot, My WCW was an east coast feed, and my WWF was a west coast feed. So instead of being on at the same time, they were on one after the other.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on May 04, 2010, 01:10:28 PM
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Also, the nice thing about where I lived was that WCW and WWF didn't actually compete for a Time Slot, My WCW was an east coast feed, and my WWF was a west coast feed. So instead of being on at the same time, they were on one after the other.

Here in Canada TSN showed both Raw and Nitro.  Raw was shown at it's normal time slot on Monday while Nitro was on on Wednesday (and later switched to Tuesday).  In high school we would all talk about both WWF and WCW as everyone got to watch both shows and there wasn't any clear preference to one or the other.  If you were a wrestling fan you watched both.
 
I have fond memories of 2000 as I could literally watch wrestling every day if I wanted to.  Monday: WWF Raw, Tuesday: WCW Nitro, Wednesday: WCW Thunder, Thursday: WWF Smackdown, Friday: ECW on TNN, Saturday: WCW Saturday Night, Sunday: WWF Heat.
 
I liked the 1998 to early 2000s stuff at the time.  It just doesn't hold up for me as well now.  It seemed very catered to my teenage tastes.  It's like how I don't think Mortal Kombat is cool anymore but when it was current I was the right age to find it, without irony, 100% awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 04, 2010, 05:43:32 PM
i remember this being a dream match, but never actually watching it till today. I didn't even know this was ever a card!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4

it was a boring match, but perfect ending.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 04, 2010, 07:47:58 PM
Yeah the Goldberg vs Lesner match wasn't that exciting.

I liked Wrestlemania 10. Bret "The Hitman" Hart vs Owen "The Rocket" Hart.

Good technical match up.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HbZL56QEgcE
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 04, 2010, 07:51:01 PM
my favorite match ever was Benoit vs Jericho Tribute to Owen Hart match
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on May 04, 2010, 07:51:28 PM
Bret/Owen was the first match of the first show I ever sat down and watched in full. It's largely the reason I still care about wrestling today.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 04, 2010, 09:22:29 PM
i remember this being a dream match, but never actually watching it till today. I didn't even know this was ever a card!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-u3QLDRCk4

it was a boring match, but perfect ending.

That match was horrendous, neither wrestler had their heart in it, they both were leaving WWE so they put on a lazy match. One of the worse in Wrestlemania history.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 05, 2010, 12:36:34 AM
I know 2 people that have met the Rock...one is the chef at my restaurant, he used to live in Miami and actually cooked for him all the time. D-Von Dudley (or brother D-Von, now) lives about 15 minutes away from me in my Grandparents' neighborhood, I have a photo with him (somewhere) and an autographed menu from my restaurant, I've actually met him on several occasions. He used to have a smoothie/wrap shop nearby but it closed down recently. Jamie Noble lives nearby too, my brother used to see him at the gym, I saw him at Duffy's Sport Bar one time. Kevin Nash lives pretty close too, but I've never seen him. A lot of TNA guys live around here.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on May 05, 2010, 12:45:51 AM
I know 2 people that have met the Rock...one is the chef at my restaurant, he used to live in Miami and actually cooked for him all the time. D-Von Dudley (or brother D-Von, now) lives about 15 minutes away from me in my Grandparents' neighborhood, I have a photo with him (somewhere) and an autographed menu from my restaurant, I've actually met him on several occasions. He used to have a smoothie/wrap shop nearby but it closed down recently. Jamie Noble lives nearby too, my brother used to see him at the gym, I saw him at Duffy's Sport Bar one time. Kevin Nash lives pretty close too, but I've never seen him. A lot of TNA guys live around here.

Oh cool, are they pretty nice guys?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 05, 2010, 09:27:42 AM
I didn't actually meet Jamie Noble, but yeah, D-Von is a cool guy. I see him at Publix sometimes, he's eaten at my restaurant a couple times (so have Janet Reno and Martin Short). he first time he ate there was when I got the signed menu, he also gave me his WWE RAW hat. The second or third time he ate there was shortly after Team 3-D joined TNA - I sent a note said "Kick Team Canada's ass at the PPV" with the waiter when he took the bill, and D-Von wrote back on it "Oh my brotha testify!" - it was pretty awesome. He took a picture with the chef, a busboy, and myself. I threw the 3D sign up...I wish I knew where it was. Also, he's absolutely massive.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 05, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
I have heard others also say that Devon is really nice in person. Bubba Ray Dudley/Brother Ray is another story, I have heard a lot of people say that he was an ass in person and obviously hated interacting with fans.

I don't think any wrestlers currently live in my area, but a couple were from here originally. Gorilla Monsoon went to high school in my city (the school is about a mile from my house), Chyna is also from here.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on May 05, 2010, 02:20:04 PM
Last year they had wrestling at the local fair.  The fairgrounds are within walking distance from my house so my brothers and I decided to walk over when we found out the Honky Tonk Man was going to be in the main event.  Since the Honky Tonk Man is in his 50's the main event was probably the worst match of the show.  But I really enjoyed myself and was impressed with the indy guys.  All those guys were short though and were not in very good shape.  I realized that I actually looked more like a wrestler than most of them.  One guy was about the same height as me sitting down!  It's a shame because some of these guys clearly had the charisma and the talent to be a star but did not look like wrestlers.

Before the show my brother got to meet the Honky Tonk Man.  And by "meet" I mean "got snubbed by".  We were early and just popped our heads into the hall to have a look at the ring (being early was worth it as we sat in the front row).  Out of nowhere Honky just walks right by my brother.  Honky looked like a small pussy compared to the other WWF wrestlers back in the day but he is HUGE.  It makes me wonder how big someone like Hulk Hogan looks in person.  Anyway my brother makes eye contact and asks "how's it going?"  Honky just says "uh" and then looks away.  We thought that was so funny.  He just had this "I can't believe I'm in Abbotsford wrestling at the fucking Agrifair when I used to wrestler in Madison Square Garden" look on his face.

I hope they have wrestling at the fair again this year.  One thing I really liked is that it showed that clearly I still enjoy wrestling - it just depends on the format and presentation.  The fair show treated everything like it was completely legitimate and was almost all clean finishes and good length matches with actual WRESTLING instead of just punch-kick ****.  The faces gave everyone five and smiled all the time while the heels acted like huge dicks and got in shouting matches with people in the audience.  It was everything I wanted out of a wrestling show.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 06, 2010, 11:04:49 AM
There was a wrestling show a couple years ago that had a bunch of guys from TNA. It was funny because Kip James and Ron "The Truth" Killings came out to the D-X music, and Kip James was announced as "Bad Ass" Billy Gunn. Matt Bentley got a bunch of HBK chants (Shawn Michaels is his uncle) too. Anyway, long story short, I touched Scott Steiner's shoulder and it's literally like touching a sweaty brick wall. I forget who actually ran the promotion, some of the local guys were pretty good, and the promoter is friend's with Jeff Jarret, so that's how he got all the TNA guys.

Also one time Shawn Michaels was doing an autograph section at a Wal-Mart around here (I have no idea why). I high-fived him and my friend tried to get his Mountain Dew bottle, but some girl snatched it first. We then followed his limo for a little while with my car, and I rolled down the windows and just blasted the D-X music (yes, I used to buy the WWE CDs) over and over.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 06, 2010, 11:37:08 AM
Actually, Shawn Michaels is his cousin (not uncle).

Indy promotions frequently ignore copyright laws, this is why you will often hear WWE music or other licensed music at indy shows. They don't get permission, they just do anyways (although if music companies that own these songs decided to sue, most of the promotions would go bankrupt as most indy promotions barely make a profit).

It is odd touching a wrestler when they are in the middle of a match. When I went to "In Your House: 'Takers Revenge" in April 1997, I got to pat Bret Hart's arm when Steve Austin threw him into crowd. I was super happy because he was my favorite wrestler at the time (he still is one of my all-time favorites), and he was all sweaty and bigger than I thought he would be. Another reason I was happy to be at the show was because I didn't have cable at the time and there was no wrestling on basic TV (and the Internet didn't have any real wrestling content since most people didn't go online at that time), so that was the first time I got to see wrestling in over 6 months. I didn't even know what the European Championship was because it had been created only two months earlier.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 11, 2010, 07:09:23 PM
So TNA is back to Thursdays. I knew they were far too small/young yet to go head to head with WWE Raw.

Good news is, Kurt Angle returns this Thursday according to his Facebook.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 11, 2010, 07:14:06 PM
I have to say that it is really unusual seeing wrestlers in person. When they came to Yuma you could get really close, and paying extra for seats really didn't matter because there was no way for them to enforce them. Wrestlers seem much smaller in person except like Big Show and Kane who ware still ginormous. When Chris Benoit was leaving he slapped the hands of the fans on the exit and I was one of those fans.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 11, 2010, 07:29:23 PM
So TNA is back to Thursdays. I knew they were far too small/young yet to go head to head with WWE Raw.

Good news is, Kurt Angle returns this Thursday according to his Facebook.

I think the final straw to Spike was when the show got a 0.5 rating (the lowest rating that the show ever got in the 5 years its been on Raw). Even WWE A.M. Raw, which is a 1 hour recap of Raw and airs at 2AM on Sunday, averages a 0.8 rating. Part of TNA's problems is that they seem to just throw everything at the wall to seem what sticks. Just a few weeks ago they had Eric Young feuding with The Band, now he allies with them. They had Sting turn heel and then wait 3 MONTHS for him to explain why (which he never clearly did, and made some nonsense response about something that happened 10 years ago). They have Samoa Joe get kidnapped by masked men for several weeks and return with no explanation. They have Abyss get run over and no one calls the cops (even though they say they know who did it).

Wrestling requires the ability to suspend your disbelief, but TNA basically wants you to turn off your brain completely. I like TNA, but they have a lot of problems (not just a 57 year-old man who has severe pain just getting out of bed being able to knock out the top heels in the company with a single punch).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on May 11, 2010, 08:00:15 PM
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Part of TNA's problems is that they seem to just throw everything at the wall to seem what sticks. Just a few weeks ago they had Eric Young feuding with The Band, now he allies with them. They had Sting turn heel and then wait 3 MONTHS for him to explain why (which he never clearly did, and made some nonsense response about something that happened 10 years ago). They have Samoa Joe get kidnapped by masked men for several weeks and return with no explanation. They have Abyss get run over and no one calls the cops (even though they say they know who did it).

This is called incoherent storytelling.  You do this is ANY form of fiction and people are going to lose interest.  This is why I never gave TNA much of a chance.  I watched like two episodes and realized that it made no sense at all.  Making sense is EASY.  If you can't do it you deserve to fail.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 11, 2010, 08:21:08 PM
TNA doesn't seem to realize this. The whole Sting thing is based on something that happened in another promotion over 10 years ago, same with the Hogan/Flair feud. Like you mentioned, TNA is making it almost impossible for new viewers to get into the show because they are so inconsistent. They were actually doing a better job before they started bringing in all of these big name stars.

To get away from all of the negativity, I was so happy that Vickie Guerrero was not kept as GM on Raw. She is so annoying and the fans hate her (and not just because she is a heel. She has what is called "go-away heat" or "X-Pac heat", meaning the fans don't like her whether she is a heel or face).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 11, 2010, 11:37:24 PM
I don't know man, I think Vickie legitimately draws heel heat. I like the way that they're using Orton right now, how he basically doesn't acknowledge that he's a "face" now, though he does do the arm-spread pose on top of the ropes again. I think the Edge/Orton feud will go pretty far, especially if one of them becomes champion in the midst of it.

Now that TNA is back to Thursday Nights, I feel no obligation to watch it anymore. It's a lot like WCW in the 90's...roster-wise, and WCW in it's deathbed...writing-wise. I do love watching Jay Lethal do impression's though, his Flair is even better than his Savage.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 12, 2010, 12:53:43 PM
Did you see the online video TNA posted where Jay Lethal was himself talking about getting to do the Flair impersonation? Both Ric Flair and Eric Bischoff have praised Lethal's performance.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 13, 2010, 06:34:04 PM
Lethal needs another push. They dropped the ball with him after that great Lethal-Angle match. It doesn't have to be a WHC push, but let the guy on the mic once in a while.

Then again, that seems to be TNAs main problem right now, too many old guys and young guys take the backseat.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
so TNA is officially WCW?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 13, 2010, 07:26:20 PM
Basically, yeah. Right down to them using cheap knock-off versions of copyrighted music (for example, Hulk Hogan's music is a modified version of the nWo theme, The Band's theme is a modified version of the nWo Wolfpac theme, etc.)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
so they have knock off versions of knock off versions of music?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 13, 2010, 07:32:55 PM
Yeah, although it's not as bad as it used to be since they do create some themselves. I also like Jay Lethal's theme (it's basically Randy Savage's "Pomp and Circumstance" theme with a hip-hop remix).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2010, 08:02:50 PM
I stopped avidly watching wrestling some 7-8 years ago. Occasionally, I'll see what's up on Raw or if I hear through the grapevine that something cool is going to happen. The last full episode of Raw I watched was when Bret Hart came back in like January. That was awful. Then, his "match" with Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania was awful because it wasn't a match and Hart is no where close to being in wrestling shape though we can all blame Goldberg for that one.

There was only one time I tuned into Raw since like 2003 where I was legitimately impressed. It was a match between Shawn Michaels and Shelton Benjamin. Usually, a match of that caliber is reserved for PPVs. HBK got his step back and it was all around a very entertaining match.

The only wrestler I still care for is Chris Jericho and even then, he doesn't even do or rarely ever does a lot of his cooler moves. And when the Liontamer/Walls of Jericho turned into a regular Boston Crab.... ugh, fail.... I know why it changed and I can't blame the WWE, but it's still a fail....
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2010, 08:51:09 PM
I was just reading about the concussions from Goldberg.

Still, Bret Hart had a stroke. Its amazing he can wrestle at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on May 13, 2010, 09:02:58 PM
I still blame Goldberg for that ridiculous kick to the head that ended Hart's wrestling career.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 13, 2010, 11:02:15 PM
yeah, im sure the mule kick didn't help his future stroke, it was caused when he fell off his bike. The repeated concussions are not good.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 13, 2010, 11:22:48 PM
But the kick to the head essentially ended Bret's career. The HBK vs Benjamin match was probably the best match in RAW history, especially the sweet chin music at the end. It was simply perfect, and you can tell he actually kicked the **** out of Shelton. Also, Y2J does sometimes do the "real" Walls of Jericho, usually only on PPV though, from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 13, 2010, 11:27:12 PM
TNA iMPACT just ended and man. They had the sickest main event on paper, A.J. Styles vs RVD vs Jeff Hardy. They started the match 30 minutes before 11pm, so they had plenty of time. What happens? The match was either very sloppy or they had some real bad editing.

Hall and Nash tag champions (and I'm a huge fan)? They can't even walk!

I give the show, overal a 7/10, sice besides those two things, everything else was ok. Way better than last weeks train wreck of a show.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 14, 2010, 12:28:03 AM
yeah Hall looks like he got attacked by a Raging Bull
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 14, 2010, 12:11:34 PM
As much as I used to be a fan of Scott Hall, that was a terrible decision by TNA. You can tell all the damage that Hall's drug and alcohol problems have done to him. Hall should not be holding any title in 2010.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on May 14, 2010, 07:06:16 PM
well he is over 50, one could say its drugs and alcohol, but age is a factor too. He is over the hill. Kevin Nash is old too.

apparently Hall and Nash's sons are huge. Nash's kid is 6'3 at age 12 or something, and Hall's kid is already like 6'7. I was listening to a shoot interview with Nash and he was telling his son that if him and Hall's kid got together and walked into Vince's office asking for jobs they'd be making 7 figures within 4 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 14, 2010, 07:45:04 PM
Hall has been terrible for years though, even his best friends were saying they were concerned about him because of his problems. Sting is about the same age but can put on much better matches, Ricky Steamboat was 56 when he had a great match against Chris Jericho at Backlash 2009. Getting older may just make the problems even worse though.

I will give TNA credit though for now using his problems in storylines. I remember how much flak WCW got when they took Hall's real life alcohol problem and started making his character have problems too. They had his character start bringing alcohol to the ring with him and drinking it, being drunk during matches, and throwing up from drinking too much.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on May 14, 2010, 08:24:45 PM
Terry Funk can work a better match than Scott Hall and he's like 97 and has no kneecaps.....
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 20, 2010, 07:30:54 PM
Heres is tonights TNA iMPACT! preview.

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- This Thursday night, witness the aftermath of the "Sacrifice" Pay-Per-View event!

- In huge news, Olympic Gold Medalist and multi-time World Heavyweight Champion Kurt Angle will make his return to TNA "iMPACT!" this week! Will Angle begin his hunt to reclaim the TNA World Heavyweight Title?

- Reigning TNA World Heavyweight Champion Rob Van Dam will appear! RVD retained the gold on Sunday night against AJ Styles - what's next for the champ?

- What will Hulk Hogan have to say about Sting's brutal attack on Jeff Jarrett at the Pay-Per-View? Can Hogan put a stop to Sting's path of destruction in TNA?

- The broadcast will feature a major update on the TNA Top Contenders Ranking System! Who will be the next Superstar to get a shot at Rob Van Dam and the TNA World Heavyweight Championship?

- What does Abyss have planned for Desmond Wolfe and Chelsea on Thursday night? At Sacrifice, Abyss beat Wolfe in the "Chelsea vs. Ring" match, and gains control of Wolfe's valet for 30 days!

- What will be the fallout from the Jay Lethal/Ric Flair brawl on Sunday night at the Pay-Per-View? Tune in Thursday and find out!

- Is war about to erupt between Team 3D and Ink Inc after what happened at Sacrifice? Find out on Thursday!

All this and much more on Thursday night at 9/8c on SpikeTV - including news on the upcoming "Slammiversary" Pay-Per-View!

Ok, so tonight Kurt Angle returns!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 20, 2010, 08:15:50 PM
I have been a long time fan of Angle, but I worry about his health and safety. He has a long history of neck injuries, but he continues to do things like moonsaults off the top of steel cages.

Also, I was SO happy to see Daniel Bryan beat the crap out of Michael Cole on NXT.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 20, 2010, 09:21:46 PM
Great opening segment for iMPACT! I must admit though, I don't think Sting works as a heel. No one boos him!

Danielson's promo on NXT was perfect. For a minute there, I thought he broke kayfabe and was actually shooting. Striker was like taping his shoulder, like thinking "Tone it down or you'll get fired!" Awesome promo.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 20, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
I think part of the reason is that they waited 3 months to bother explaining why he is supposed to be a heel.

I like worked shoots. I knew he wasn't a shoot because NXT was taped earlier that night and WWE would not have aired it (or they would have cut off his mic while talking). It's interesting when they do these promos that reflect what fans are thinking and what the person doing the promo may really think. It's like when Joey Styles "quit" Raw to join the ECW brand, he gave a firery promo about how he hated being forced to tell stories during a match rather than call the moves, having to say "sports entertainer" rather than "wrestler", etc. Just about everything Bryan said was true, from WWE preferring to push wrestlers they created to Vince McMahon telling the commentators what they say, not to mention the fact that most fans do hate Cole because he is a douchebag and is the definition of a tool.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 20, 2010, 10:18:07 PM
iMPACT! has been good so far.

Yeah, I remember that promo (I think) and it was good too.

Hardy vs Sting, don't know what to expect. Sting has a shoulder injury and to me, Hardy just sucks.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 22, 2010, 11:49:20 AM
As old as Nash and Hall are, I'm still impressed by how in-shape Nash is, and the turn-around that Hall has made since returning to TNA. He's lost a ton of weight and isn't afraid of wearing his tights anymore.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on May 22, 2010, 11:56:55 AM
Of course, some things never change. For example, Hall getting arrested for public intoxication. (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/crime/os-scott-hall-bar-incident-20100521,0,2124800.story)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2010, 12:16:33 PM
Yeah, I saw that on PW Torch a few hours ago. I don't think anybody is surprised by that. The guy has had those problems for years and this is not his first time being arrested for it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 22, 2010, 09:47:47 PM
Saw that too this morning. I feel bad for him, I really want him to stop drinking tbh.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 22, 2010, 10:42:20 PM
Kevin Nash has tried to help him before, even Shawn Michaels (who has been friends with him for years) has tried talking to him. It doesn't help that he hangs out with Sean Waltman, who is well known for his own addictions (he has problems with alcohol and marijuana).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 22, 2010, 11:10:28 PM
I know all of that, but it still doesn't change what I want.

Remember when WCW made fun of this on the air? Jeez.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 22, 2010, 11:58:53 PM
Hmm, the original article I saw said "disorderly conduct" and resisting arrest. I've never even heard of "disorderly intoxication" - that sounds like some bullshit charge made up by the author of that (8-day late) article to make it more interesting. I'm not saying he wasn't drunk - it was a bar after all.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 23, 2010, 12:35:09 PM
It's a real charge, and apparently quite common in Florida (where this happened): http://www.flsenate.gov/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0856/Sec011.HTM

Basically it's a misdemeanor. This is the legal definition of it according to Florida state law:

No person in the state shall be intoxicated and endanger the safety of another person or property, and no person in the state shall be intoxicated or drink any alcoholic beverage in a public place or in or upon any public conveyance and cause a public disturbance.

That pretty much fits what Hall did, so it's the right charge.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on February 16, 2011, 01:46:52 PM
THE ROCK IS BACK

He owned John Cena AND the PG era in one swoop of the mic!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2011, 02:12:02 PM
It means nothing to those of us who don't, or didn't watch it if you don't provide links. What did he say? where are the youtube links?

I haven't watched anything wrestling since..... I think shortly after the WWF became the WWE, or slightly before The Rock left wrestling to pursue acting.
Which ever one happened last, and I wasn't a regular watcher since long before that.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 16, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
I will try and find a unofficial video, but here is the video WWE has on their official YouTube page (it's 8:34 long, but the actual promo was about 20 minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh1LWu-H-lk

He did all of his classic catch phrases (including threatening to shove his boot up Michael Cole's candyass after Cole tried to interrupt and read a e-mail from the anonymous Raw General Manager). He mocked WWE Champion The Miz and his catchphrase "I'm the Miz, and I'm Awesome" (although Miz stretched out the Awesome part) by saying that anyone who has to go around saying how awesome they are actually suck. He also mocked John Cena (who has made friendly insult to Rock by saying stuff like he can handle a movie career and wrestling career at the same time); mocking how he keeps changing the color of his merchandise from orange to purple (comparing Cena to a bowl of fruity pebbles), saying Cena looks like something that came from Barney's anus, and mocking Cena's "You Can't See Me" catchphrase by asking Cena if he is playing peek-a-boo.

The Rock's last match in WWE was in March 2004 at WrestleMania XX, the company went from WWF to WWE in May 2002.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 16, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Cena is handling a movie and wrestling career at the same time?

He's been in what.... 2-3 movies? all WWE funded (None of which I've seen, although The Marine and 12 Rounds didn't look bad). That's not really a movie career. Then a small handful of TV show appearances where he mostly plays himself, that's not much to juggle. But he hasn't been around that long, so I can't really knock him for just getting started

But it's good to see The Rock is back, even if it's most likely to rally his base to get them to go fill the seats at his theater releases.
You have Fast 5 coming up and I think that's his 2nd or 3rd film for his "fans" since crap like the Tooth Fairy.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on February 16, 2011, 06:21:22 PM
I stopped watching current wrestling because the product became stale and corporate.  Everybody is the same.  They look the same, they act the same, they wrestle the same style, their promos are all written by the same group of failed comedy writers.  Everything is so organized.  That's lame.  Wrestling needs to be a little loose and spontaneous.  We all know wrestling is fake but the emotion has always been real.  With the WWE it is too sterile.  The emotion is fake.

The Rock ain't a fake, so of course he runs circles around Cena.  No writer came up with the idea of The Rock to speak in the third person and cock his eyebrow and talk about what The Rock is cookin'.  That's all him.  He came up with it.  He came from the era where they didn't organize and write every little thing.  The Rock was able to come up with his own promos and work his own matches.  They provided some coaching and the obvious base storyline but the details were all him.  In fact when he debuted he bombed as Rocky Maivia where he had a personality that the WWF created for him.  He was corporate, sterile and fake so the fans rejected him.  Later they let him be himself and he morphed into The Rock and became a star.  And yet the WWE is so damn clueless they try to make new Rocks by following the Rocky Maivia mold.  Steve Austin is the same way.  They came up with The Ringmaster as his gimmick and it didn't take.  Then he came up with the Stone Cold persona and came up with all that Austin 3:36 stuff himself in the spur of the moment in an improvised promo and away we go.  The corporate control-freak route almost ruined the two biggest stars that saved the WWF from losing to WCW.  If they went the route they go now they would have been out of business by 1999.

I'll bet a big reason The Rock ran circles around Cena is that they let him do his own shtick.  I doubt he was reciting lines someone else wrote for him, he was being The Motherfuckin' Rock.  Meanwhile John Cena is trying to make a comeback with the lame lines some hack writer (let's face it if you're a good writer, you wouldn't work for the WWE) came up for him and he's in over his head.  John Cena ain't allowed to be John Cena.

And the funny thing is that since they let The Rock cut loose with his own material, they clearly have some understanding of his persona requiring him to be himself.  And yet they don't allow that for new wrestlers.  It's like they either don't trust the new guys, think of guys like The Rock as an exception and fail to realize that when wrestling was big that was the norm, or the common conspiracy theory is that the WWE doesn't want any one wrestler to be bigger than the WWE brand itself so they intentionally handcuff their younger talent.

And as long as this persists I will continue to not watch.  The Rock alone can't bring me back because he'll just be a lone rose in a bouquet of plastic flowers.  The core product has to change.  And it won't unless they experience real competition from someone with money who GETS wrestling (ie: not TNA).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2011, 06:24:39 PM
not like The Rock will stay anyhow..i imagine his stint will just be temporary
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: nickmitch on February 16, 2011, 09:29:51 PM
I just put the full video on the YouTube thread because I didn't see this one. here (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh74j8EeI7p68CTb6n) it is.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2011, 09:44:07 PM
It's just awesome to hear the crowd erupt as soon as you hear "If ya..." on the PA.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 16, 2011, 10:01:02 PM
It was funny to hear the little kids booing though when he started making fun of Cena (mainly because most of them were either not born yet or were too young to watch the last time Rock was a full time wrestler).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on February 16, 2011, 11:20:30 PM
that guy knows how to get different physiques Hugh Jackson asked him what he should do to bulk up for the new Darrin Aronofsky Wolverine movie
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 17, 2011, 01:14:33 PM
Current Miss USA Rima Fakih, who was guest host of Raw a few months ago and also appeared on the annual Tribute to the Troops special, has been confirmed to be the first contestant on the new Tough Enough. I guess she really is into wrestling afterall since she apparently wants to become a wrestler. I know WWE loves this and probably agreed to it because it will get them a ton of coverage in the press (since she is the current Miss USA).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 23, 2011, 09:42:08 PM
I'm not a John Cena fan, and The Rock is my favorite wrestler of all time. Having said that, well-played Cena. Well-played. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look on YouTube for his freestyle about The Rock on Monday Night Raw, it was pretty great. Also, thank you to the WWE for not censoring any of it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 23, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
I hope last week and this week is a sign that WWE may occasionally let wrestlers go beyond the PG limit. Cena's rap was similar to the stuff he used to do on SmackDown, that is what made him popular among male fans (notice that he started being booed when he won the WWE Championship and dropped most aspects of his character). I thought it was pretty funny.

And the Undertaker/Triple H segment was great. You know those two are professionals, that entire segment did more without ANY talking (from the wrestlers or announcers) than anything else on the show. You had two future Hall of Famers return, Undertaker looking pissed at Triple H interrupting him, Triple H making the challenge for WrestleMania just by looking at the sign, Undertaker shaking his head and smirking as if to laugh at giving Triple H a shot at the streak (especially since he already beat Triple H at WrestleMania X-Seven). When the fans started to boo as he left, he turned around and did his throat slash to signify he accepted, and Triple H responded with the crotch chop. WWE did a fantastic job with the segment. I do wonder if they will bring up why they were gone so long (King Sheamus taking out Triple H last April, Wade Barrett and Kane taking out Undertaker last October).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on February 23, 2011, 10:26:23 PM
I'm not a John Cena fan, and The Rock is my favorite wrestler of all time. Having said that, well-played Cena. Well-played. If you don't know what I'm talking about, look on YouTube for his freestyle about The Rock on Monday Night Raw, it was pretty great. Also, thank you to the WWE for not censoring any of it.

Indeed. One of Cena's best promo in a long time. It seems WWE is slowly pushing the limit of the PG rating.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 01, 2011, 08:06:33 PM
So The Rock owned Cena's ass in his little video message on Raw. Yabba-dabba bitch...I love it. Kind of gay it was via satellite, but with Evan Bourne returning, Triple H's address to the Undertaker, and the Miz/Cena build-up, he would have stolen everyone else's thunder if he was there live. No way he'll be there next week with Austin making a live appearance.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2011, 08:25:29 PM
Last night's Raw was pretty dissapointing overall. There were some good spots though. I think it was a dick move by WWE to tease the live audience by playing The Rock's music (they almost never do that for taped satellite promos). I like Triple H, but he has a pretty big ego. First, why should we believe he has the best chance to win against The Underaker? The last time they at WrestleMania was WrestleMania X-Seven, when Triple H was 10 years younger and hadn't gone through several knee surgeries.

I do not like The Miz still being WWE Champion. Every single match (except I think his match against Daniel Bryan) since winning the belt has involved cheating or outside interference, which hurts any credibility. He does not seem like a credible champion, and I don't see what WWE sees in him. Sure he is good on the mic, but his wrestling is mediocre and he does not come off as a main eventer. Remember when Jack Swagger was champion and how he pretty much dropped of the map afterwards? That is what I hope happens to him.

I think it was pretty rare, but cool, that WWE made such a big deal out of signing Mistico (now know as Sin Cara) to a contract. He may not be well known in the US, but he is pretty much the biggest wrestling star in Mexico and they treated it like a sports team would signing a star athlete.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 01, 2011, 09:14:22 PM
I'm still watching the Raw episode at the moment but I did watch the Triple H segment and If I recall correctly back at WM 17 the Taker vs HHH match was a Falls count anywhere match and basically anything goes. So if this HHH and Taker match at the upcoming wrestlemania is a normal match then I think he will have more of a chance at it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2011, 09:16:41 PM
I guess part of it is that Undertaker really doesn't have too many years left in him (he already misses like half the year now) and I don't want him using his WrestleMania match against someone he has already faced.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 01, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
Who else is out there that Taker hasn't faced that is on the roster that might present a challenge to Taker?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 01, 2011, 09:37:53 PM
Up until earlier this year, I would have said Wade Barrett. He has the mic skills of a main eventer and and is really good in the ring. Until it became clear that WWE wanted Cena-Miz (which will be a terrible match), there was rumors of Cena facing him. CM Punk would also be a good choice, but he will be facing Orton.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 01, 2011, 11:50:48 PM
There wasn't any interference in the Miz vs Lawler match at Elimination Chamber. The whole reasoning behind all of the cheap tactics in Miz's matches is to just keep getting the audience to hate him. The crowd is usally split 50/50 on Cena, so WWE will do whatever they can to get the audience to cheer for Cena at WrestleMania...which will probably work until The Rock comes out. I'm predicting some kind of HBK interference in the Undertaker vs Triple H match. Also, I really don't get all the hate on Miz, he's actually probably one of the best actual wrestlers in the company right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 01, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Its kinda hard to see that talent while he is doing all that other stuff. The Miz I really don't like him. I mean I haven't really watched much WWE recently but his actions are quite frankly lothesome. Another person I don't like that much is Michael Cole. He is basically a coward that hides behind certain things and is a instigator.  Two of the reasons I didn't like this past Mondays Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 12:08:24 AM
Riley did interfere in the match, but not much. Even so, beating a 61 year old man is not that impressive. Besides, a great heel can actually win matches cleanly. Take Ric Flair in his prime (the 80s). Yes he did cheat sometimes, but he also won many matches cleanly.

I would not agree that he is one of the better wrestlers, his skills have improved but he is still not that good. I could think of at least 15 wrestlers off the top of my head who are better. My problem is that he does not have any credibility IMO as world champion. It seems clear to me that WWE just wanted to give him the belt to get all the media attention. Miz is a mid-carder who was basically made MTV Champion, there are other wrestlers who are more deserving to be pushed into the main event than him. Cena was right in the comment he made a few months ago that nobody considers Cena-Miz to be a WrestleMania worth main event and I don't see anybody buying the PPV to watch that match. I know it's probably my least anticipated match (I think Punk-Orton could be the best match). I don't hate Miz, I just don't think he brings any credibility to the title and don't think he deserves to be a main eventer.

As for Cole, the fans have never liked him. Even before he turned heel last year (which started during NXT season 1), the fans were booing him when he came out before the show started. The sad thing is that WWE likes him despite the fact that he is not that good of an announcer. He was not that bad on SmackDown, but he has become really bad on Raw. I wouldn't mind if WWE took him away from the announce booth and made him a heel manager.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on March 03, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
The Rock responds to John Cena's Rap.

[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TvSOLsut7A[/link]
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
I don't know if anyone watches NXT, I do. I don't see why Johnny Curtis won. He doesn't really have charisma or personality, he is not that great in the ring, and he doesn't stand out. Brodus Clay basically has everything already, so I hope they quickly bring him up to the main roster too.

I am wondering what they mean by season 5 being different than the first 4.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on March 03, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
They keep talking about doing a season where all of the rookies are the sons of Hall of Famers. That may be it.

Of course, Tough Enough is coming in a month so it may not last long. The only thing keeping it alive is probably international TV deals (I know the channel that shows all of WWE's programs in Canada has it despite it being web-only normally).

edited for clarification
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2011, 09:07:56 PM
Maybe they could do something like that, the FCW wrestlers (where they get the NXT rookies from) that are second generation wrestlers are Bo Rotundo (son of Mike Rotundo), Richie Steamboat (son of Ricky Steamboat), Wes Briscoe (son of Gerald Briscoe), Tito Colon (nephew of Carlos Colon and cousin of Carlito and Primo), and Brett DiBiase (son of Ted DiBiase and brother of Ted DiBiase, Jr.). That is 5, I suppose they could sign another 2nd generation wrestler.

I think they could do both. NXT is "fake" (like the other shows) in that everything is pre-determined, Tough Enough is a legit competition. I can see them doing both.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 03, 2011, 11:49:22 PM
The Rock is back to scratch a major itch, so enjoy your Fruity Pebbles, you yabba-dabba bitch! That's probably the best line that Rock has ever used. I've already listened to it like 5 times.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2011, 12:11:01 AM
It would be awesome if all this free publicity has actually provided a boost in sales fro Fruity Pebbles, LOL.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on March 12, 2011, 03:04:44 PM
This past Monday was pretty good. The Michael Cole segment was pretty good only because Stone Cold Steve Austin  kicked JBL's butt and humiliated Cole. Austin as the special guest referee for the Cole and King match should be refereed fairly now and I don't think either would mess with the ref.  After watching the show I looked up Takers and HHH match at Wrestlemania 17 and it wasn't a no holds barred match like I thought but it might as well been since the ref was down for the majority of the match. The Match up at Wrestlemania 27 between Taker and HHH will be a no holds barred match so that will be interesting.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 12, 2011, 03:16:52 PM
Given that both men will be rusty after being out for so long, a brawl would probably be better than a normal wrestling match. No holds barred also means they won't have to do a long ref bump again or have to find an excuse for the ref not to DQ one of them.

NXT Redemption seems like a weird idea. So the prize for winning NXT season 5 is a spot on NXT season 6, huh? Lucky Cannon was generic in season 2, but now seems to be channeling Adrian Adonis with his new gimmick.

Sunny is a good choice for the Hall of Fame. Like they mentioned in the video package, at one time she was even the most downloaded woman on the Internet and she paved the way for future women in the company.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 03, 2011, 11:07:43 PM
I just finished watching Wrestlemania 27 at a neighbors house and it was spectacular!

Anybody else watch it today?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 03, 2011, 11:27:50 PM
Just finished watching it from an internet stream, it was actually quite good. The Undertaker vs HHH match was awesome (better than both UT vs HBK matches if you ask me), and it looks like they're going to set up a John Cena vs The Rock vs The Miz match, at least that's what I think...but then again...IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I THINK!

Could they also be hinting at another Stone Cold Steve Austin vs The Rock match? Rock alluded to it at the HOF a couple years ago, and they had a little face to face tonight...

Randy Orton vs CM Punk was pretty awesome too - I was rooting for CM Punk, but that RKO was definitely in the top 3 that he's ever done.

Biggest surprise - Snooki's athleticism.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 03, 2011, 11:43:31 PM
Yeah the Taker and HHH match was very good.The back and forth was good in the match. The last part of the match was great. I have never seen anybody stay in the Hell's Gate as long as Triple H did.19-0 for Taker

I don't think Rock and Stone Cold will be meeting anytime soon. Maybe Rock and Cena will have something since Rock cost Cena the title.I know there was that double count out and The Miz retained the title.Then Rock came in and ruled that the match would continue withy no DQs or count outs.

I got to say that the Raw GM messed up a fun match between Lawler and Cole. Jerry won but the Raw GM said that he was DQed because Stone Cold pushed Cole.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 03, 2011, 11:54:22 PM
Well I think it's kind of obvious where that whole thing is headed...Michael Cole is the RAW GM, they finally got enough heat on him for it to work. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 04, 2011, 11:18:35 PM
Looks like I'm going to WrestleMania next year (I went to WM25 too). I knew that being in Miami, The Rock would be involved, now it's clear how he will be involved. Wonder if he'll make appearances on Raw until then.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 04, 2011, 11:29:29 PM
That's great to hear Brandogg. It would be interesting how this situation with the Rock and Cena fold out in the coming year.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 04, 2011, 11:49:29 PM
I assume this means that The Rock will go into the WWE Hall of Fame next year too, and then the obvious choice would be for him to lose the match. Could be (hopefully) wrong though. I'm sure they've become friends, but I'm pretty certain that there was some true animosity between Rock and Cena, probably still existing between them in the recent weeks.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 05, 2011, 05:53:07 AM
Just finished watching Raw and having Cena and The Rock as the main event at Wrestlemania 28 is going to be cool. It will be like when Hogan and the Rock had a match at Wrestlemania. 2 different generations coming together.

The Core coming in at the end of the show and attacking Cena and the Rock might be built on in the coming weeks. Cena did have a problem with the Nexus before which is essentually what the core is. Maybe Rock and Cena teaming up is possible.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 13, 2011, 05:18:17 PM
Well this past Monday one of my favorite wrestlers said he had to retire.That wrestler was Edge.
Few of my favorite matches of his.
TLC 2 at Wrestlemania 17.
part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb9SHMuG_r0
part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXRw0rDdnTw

Kane vs Edge Last man standing match,World Heavyweight championship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk1z0U7sV48

King of the Ring 2001.Kurt Angle vs Edge

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WtpPF_QbuF4

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 13, 2011, 11:06:24 PM
Edge was pretty awesome. The best and worst thing about him was the "Sex Celebration" with Lita, where you got to see her exposed breast, and his obvious boner. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on April 23, 2011, 02:24:52 AM
Ugh just finished watching the Alberto Del Rio segment about Edge's retirement and it was pretty bad. I mean bringing out the Fake Lita was pretty mean.Leave her out of it.I still remember what the WWE did on her last night.After that then Edge came out and insulted everybody in the ring. Clay came towards Edge who was up at the Smackdown sign then Christian came out of the crowd with a ladder and beat Clay with it then Rio and then he came and set up the ladder and got the title that was up high in the air.

The Christian coming out of the crowd was a nice reference to Edge and Christians early years as a tag team.

As for other matches I thought the Masters and Mcintire match was pretty good. There was 2 championship matches. Tag titles and IC belt. Show and Kane won the tag belts and Barret kept his IC title.

Ugh Cole went on to long about his knighting and he was a pain to listen to.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2011, 12:59:26 PM
Guy: "I am the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be"
Girl: "Can you back that up?"
Guy: "......eventually"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muT-9YPDZsI

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 12, 2011, 01:48:02 PM
That was kinda funny.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 12, 2011, 09:51:02 PM
That was really funny.
Title: R.I.P. Macho Man Randy Savage
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2011, 01:10:50 PM
R.I.P. Macho Man Randy Savage
http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ceric on May 20, 2011, 02:28:12 PM
R.I.P. Macho Man Randy Savage
http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/20/randy-savage-car-accident-macho-man-dead-dies-died-killed-wwe-wrestler-florida/)
Ultimately killed by a Heart Attack that caused a Car Wreck... Well I guess their is less spectacular ways to go but,  a Heart Attack what a shame.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on May 20, 2011, 02:45:36 PM
I just saw the headline on MSN.  I'm actually feeling really bummed out about this.  Randy Savage was one of my absolute favourite wrestlers.

I've been watching a lot of wrestling from the 80's and 90's with my brother lately.  It's a lot of fun but it is uncomfortable when we realize that it's pretty normal to see a match where at least one of the participants is dead.  Now we've got another one. :(
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on May 20, 2011, 04:11:08 PM
And with the first pick of the Rapture, God selects...

RIP Macho Man (oooooooh yeah).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 21, 2011, 12:42:18 AM
Yeah, that sucks, I was thinking about Mach the other day. I wonder if he'll be in the Hall of Fame next year...hopefully there's a nice video tribute before RAW on Monday.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 23, 2011, 09:00:30 PM
I'm tuning in on RAW right now to see if they mention him.

They have, "in memory of" pic, will that be it?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 23, 2011, 09:22:57 PM
I honestly can't believe that the pic was it.

Perhaps the rumors are true?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on May 23, 2011, 09:27:29 PM
What rumors?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ShyGuy on May 23, 2011, 09:50:39 PM
Macho Man had an affair with Stephanie McMahon
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 23, 2011, 09:59:59 PM
...affair? Rumors are he slept with her when she was 16-17!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 23, 2011, 10:18:18 PM
AWESOME KONG debuting!?

Man o man!


Edit: I hate Vince. wth
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on May 23, 2011, 10:42:05 PM
Video package at 10:40pm? Come on now...I think everyone got it at the beginning of the show!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 28, 2011, 10:19:37 PM
So...opinion's on C.M. Punk's promo from the end of RAW last night? That was probably the greatest moment in wrestling history.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Toruresu on July 11, 2011, 10:40:34 AM
So...opinion's on C.M. Punk's promo from the end of RAW last night? That was probably the greatest moment in wrestling history.

...in history? No, but it was by far the best RAW or even WWE moment/promo in like 4-5 years. Heck, dare I say it, in mainstream wrestling.

To be honest, after watching it a few times, if it was a worked shoot, they really let him say some stuff that I would think would bother VKM. Then again, I doubt it was a shoot, if it was, as soon as he said "wrestler" they would've probably cut him off.

To me, this seems like the start of a new era, or at least it seemed like it. Did you noticed his shirt?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 11, 2011, 11:01:20 PM
Just finished watching that segment with Punk and it was pretty good. I'm kinda interested in that story that we was going to say about Vince.They cut off his microphone before he could get any words in.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 12, 2011, 12:36:08 AM
Geez, you need to catch up. A lot of people seem to think that much of what Punk said two weeks ago was indeed unscripted, though now it seems that it is all (or almost all) part of a storyline. It's still unclear whether he has re-signed with WWE or not, but I can't see any way that Vince would let him get away with any of this if they weren't certain that he would actually sign a new contract. Then again, maybe he wants Punk to go back to ROH (which just signed a new TV deal) to build them up so he can taken them over when they start making real money. At the very least I think it's safe to say that CM Punk (who VKM referred to as Phil, his real name) is the best person on the microphone in the business today, if not all time.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 12, 2011, 08:29:40 PM
I don't think WWE will be buying ROH anytime soon considering ROH was just bought by Sinclair Broadcast Group (which means people may actually be able to watch ROH on TV since almost no one has HDNet), and I don't see them selling ROH unless it bleeds money like WCW did. Anyways, it was obvious that the promo was scripted when WWE kept re-airing it throughout their other shows for the next week. It was basically like Joey Styles' "shoot" promo in 2006 when they re-launched the ECW brand. Most of what he commented on are safe topics that WWE is aware of. He may have been allowed some leeway in how he said he, but notice that he didn't mention touchy subjects like WWE being under investigation for classifying wrestlers as free agents (which allows them to avoid having to pay social security, unemployment benefits, etc. while treating the wrestlers like employees), lack of transparency in the Wellness Policy, etc. It was still a great promo, one of the best in years. Last nights follow-up was great too, and pretty much solidified Punk as a face (and makes me wish they would bring back the WWE ice cream bars, LOL).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 14, 2011, 12:30:46 AM
The Rock put out a video responding to John Cena trash talking him in Australia, and says that he's going to show up before WrestleMania to kick his ass...and says it will happen where the Rock's career really took off - which, according to his promo on the March 28, 2011 RAW was in Chicago at his first WrestleMania...which is also the location of Money in the Bank on Sunday...
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 14, 2011, 01:27:08 AM
Actually, he said he was going to the arena where it all started and they were chanting his first night. His start in WWE was at Madison Square Garden at Survivor Series 1996, and Survivor Series is back at MSG this year. He also said it was in an historic arena. No offense to the the people of Rosemont, but the Allstate Arena is not historic (nor was his first WrestleMania, where he wrestled The Sultan for the Intercontinental Championship). Madison Square Garden fits that description as it is one of the most historic arenas in the world.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 14, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
Yeah, he actually tweeted that he'll be at Survivor Series.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on July 16, 2011, 09:45:19 PM
CM Punk's promo was pretty awesome. Obviously, it's part of the storyline because there's no way they would let him rant for like 4-5 minutes without cutting him off. I expect him to lose to John Cena and leave the company, but I expect him to be back. I read some news articles about Punk and he seems to just want a few months off. The big push pretty much ensures that fans want him back.

I also watched The Rock's response to John Cena. That was pretty excellent as well. He's one of the best on the microphone and he hasn't even been a fixture on WWE television in years.

On an unrelated note, I wish Chris Jericho would come back.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on July 16, 2011, 09:49:05 PM
Punk wins by cheating like a mother*bleep*er, but Cena avoids "unemployment" after destiny arrives in the form of Mr. Pesos In The Bank Alberto Del Rio.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 16, 2011, 10:49:56 PM
I think Punk's gonna win, or John Cena is going to turn heel like the Stone Cold did against the Rock at WrestleMania X-7.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 17, 2011, 05:51:09 PM
Apparently members of the Telly-tv.com forums will be able to watch the PPV for free starting at 8PM EST. Might want to sign up for it if you can't watch it any other way.

As for the Punk and Cena situation I think Cena will retain the title. This type of situation is very similar to the Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels situation where Bret was champ and he was going to go to WCW. Bret lost the title so that the title would stay at WWE where Shawn was staying. Cena will retain the title.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2011, 05:57:27 PM
There are always several sites that stream the PPVs for free (none of them are legally allowed to do it of coarse).

With Bret and Shawn (which I won't get into), it was already known Hart was going to WCW. Right now it is not even know for sure what Punk is going to to. Some say it's a swerve and he really is staying, some are saying he is just taking some time off, etc. I don't think Punk will leave the PPV as champ, but I honestly have no clue what WWE will do.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 17, 2011, 06:14:09 PM
I just thought of another situation that could happen.

Punk beats Cena and he leaves the company and Cena gets fired. Punk goes to Japan and defends it there. Cena follows Punk there and actually becomes a better wrestler there and expands his move set. He beats Punk and returns back to Vince and shows the title and gets to come back into the WWE just before his match up with the Rock at Wrestlemania where he beats The Rock with all he learned in Japan.

Long and drawn out but I think this might solve the problem of Cena being boring to watch.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 17, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
CM Punk wins! I wish the finish didn't happen the way it did, but it could have been a lot worse, at least it was still technically a "clean finish." RAW should be pretty good.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2011, 11:41:52 PM
The outcome didn't really interfere with the result of the match, so I don't think it was a big deal. It's rare for a one on one match in WWE do go 30+ minutes like Cena-Punk did (outside of something like Michaels-Undertaker at WrestleMania), so I was happy for that. To avoid spoilers I won't comment on the result, but I hope it does cause more people to watch Raw tomorrow to see the fallout of the main event. I was also happy with the winner of the SmackDown MITB, although I was surprised he didn't come out after the end of Orton-Christian since he would have easily been able to win the World Heavyweight Championship.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 17, 2011, 11:52:13 PM
The RAW MITB winner was way too predictable, but I think the Smackdown! winner is quite deserving. I was also pleased with the winner of the World Championship match (started watching the live stream on Veetle...in HD...as Christian was walking away with the title. I wish I had seen the whole PPV, it sounds like it was one of the best in a long time.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 17, 2011, 11:55:48 PM
True, except the Divas Championship match. But we both know that WWE always uses the divas match on PPV as filler anyways.

Yeah, no surprise at who won the Raw MITB since most people expect that. But I am also glad Daniel Bryan won on SmackDown because I have been a fan of his since he joined WWE (I am not gonna lie and say I was a fan before that), I just hope he doesn't become the first man to cash in MITB and lose. I hope the PPV gets upload soon so I can watch it, I am not gonna order the replay and I don't want to wait a month for it to come out on DVD (although I may still buy the DVD anyways).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 18, 2011, 12:16:12 AM
It's already on Pirate Bay - not a fan of torrents myself, but sometimes you just need to get a damn video quickly.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 18, 2011, 12:33:41 AM
I avoid those types of sites, for various reasons such as viruses. I also hate that particular site and find they are douches.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 18, 2011, 08:02:56 PM
Just finished watching the PPV and it was great. Both of the Money in the Bank ladder matches were great. I liked the winners of both of the Heavyweight and WWE title matches.

Vince tried to do all he could do to keep the WWE title away from Punk like when Cena put the STF on Punk he tried to have the timekeeper to ring the bell but Cena stopped him.It wasn't going to end like the Hart and Michaels match from Survivor Series. Cena said to Vince not this way. Punk hit Cena with the GTS and won. Del Rio tried to cash in on the title but the match didn't actually start and Punk knocked him out with a kick.Punk left through the crowd.

That was one of Cena's best matches I've seen.Gonna tune in on Raw tonight.

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 18, 2011, 08:08:52 PM
At what point is is not considered spoilers? Well, I will word my statement carefully: WWE has said that Vince McMahon will open Raw to discuss the situation surrounding what happened in the main event. They are also playing up two "injury" angles (they are storyline injuries, not real ones): The Big Show will be out for 4-6 weeks. Also, They are saying Sin Cara will be out for a month (this is to cover up that earlier in the day they announced they were suspending him for 30 days for his first violation of the Wellness Policy).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 18, 2011, 08:21:44 PM
I would guess maybe about a week after the Money  in the Bank PPV I'd say we can talk about it.I figured those that have been interested in what happened found it out.

I had to look up the Wellness Policy to know what you were talking about but basically it is a drug test. So Sin Cara tested positive for anabolic steroids.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on July 18, 2011, 08:26:42 PM
Or marijuana, marijuana substitutes, sleeping pills, coke...

Hell, you can test positive for painkillers if you don't have a valid prescription.

Also, if you haven't seen the show last night... pay the man his money. For my $45, it's the best pay-per-view WWE has produced since WMXVII (2001).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 18, 2011, 10:56:43 PM
It was anabolic steroids.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 18, 2011, 11:32:17 PM
It's not know what he tested positive for. As for weed, they tend to just fine wrestlers (Brian Kendrick was fined many times for it).

I missed the last 7 minutes of Raw because a damn thunderstorm cause my satellite to lose the signal.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 18, 2011, 11:52:32 PM
Basically Spyke Cena is not fired and Triple H is going to be running the day to day operations of the WWE.Vince was releved of his duties. Vince got all teary eyed after that. Also the WWE Championship match that was going to happen was interupted by Vince and will happen next week. Mysterio and Miz is the matchup.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36u9BZDr5mc
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 02:31:27 AM
Hmm, I do wonder what they will do. I guess they could do something similar to when JBL won the newly created SmackDown Championship after Cena was drafted to Raw and left SD without a world title (this was when they split the draft up over 4 weeks, after JBL won the match for the title Theodore Long came out and said the title wasn't needed now because World Heavyweight Champion Batista had been drafted to Raw). They could have the Mysterio-Miz match at the end of Raw next week, then Triple H comes out and says the winner is not the champion because he had convinced CM Punk to sign a new contract with WWE and was still WWE Champion. Have it so Mysterio wins, and because of that he will get to challenge Punk at SummerSlam.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 19, 2011, 02:48:27 AM
There is the possiblity that the Raw Money in the Bank Match winner could get a chance at it. I figured something like that happening tonight after the Miz and Mysterio match tonight but Vince postponed that match till next week.

Speaking of JBL there was that I quit match between Cena and JBL and they both had titles and whoever won would be the one to keep their title as the true WWE title. Think the WWE will make a new title for whoever is the champ next week?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 19, 2011, 02:55:58 AM
I hope so, I agreed with what Punk said when he commented on the the spinner belt being ugly. I personally liked the one they used when Triple H won the Undisputed WWF Championship (which was used from when Triple H won the title March 2002 until Cena won the title in March 2005), even the Attitute Era belt grew on me (the one that was used after Austin won the title at WrestleMania XIV).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 21, 2011, 02:33:50 PM
Like I said about Sin Cara, it was anabolic steroids (http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/239319-sin-cara-speaks-out-reveals-details-on-his-wwe-suspension). It's a pretty good "play dumb" interview though.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 27, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
That was a pretty Raw this past Monday. Entertaining and good matches in all the matches. John Cena and Mysterio was great.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 27, 2011, 11:39:52 PM
It was pretty good between them, although I feel it's kinda pointless since both Mysterio's reign (I don't buy him as champion) and Cena's will be negated as they were paper champions while Punk is still the real WWE Champion. I don't want it to be his new theme, but I loved Punk coming out to "Cult of Personality" (which he used in ROH while he was their champion and had just signed his WWE contract and threatening to go to WWE with the belt), I just downloaded it earlier today because of it. It was also great to see Jim Ross back, he is such a great announcer.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 28, 2011, 01:49:05 AM
Yeah it was good to see JR back. The best part of JR being back is that Michael Cole has a loss now. I also liked the segment between R-Truth and Triple H. I got a kick out of that.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 28, 2011, 09:35:06 PM
My biggest hope is that they have a title vs title match at SummerSlam, Punk wins, and they get rid of that fucking hideous belt.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 28, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
Yeah, the Spinner belt looks pretty ugly. I doubt they will go back to a previous design though, so I hope the new design would be good.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on July 30, 2011, 05:36:27 AM
Gotta admit these Raw and Smackdown shows are getting better. The only real bad match tonight was the Mark Henry match. His opponent wasn't up to snuff and it was onesided. The only segment that was bad was the 2nd Great Khali part. Didn't really see the point of it. Summerslam is gonna be good.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on July 30, 2011, 09:46:48 AM
My only complaint about SD is that the only feud I care about is Randy Orton v Tables, and that's only because Orton's 0-5 against them the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 31, 2011, 06:12:19 PM
So on SmackDown and on house shows lately they have been teasing a face turn for Sheamus. I think it could work if they don't change his character too much, and they did a good job of it on SmackDown when he confronted Mark Henry (speaking of which, I like how they are making him seem like a legit tough guy who people are afraid to wrestle).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 03, 2011, 01:38:26 AM
So I just finished watching Raw and Triple H's solution for the 2 WWE champions is going to be resloved at SummerSlam. Cena versus Punk. Whoever wins will be the undisputed WWE Champion. After the  Money in the Bank match last month I'm excited to see the match between Punk and Cena.

Looking forward to Wrestlemania. I think it would be cool to have a Punk, Cena, Rock match. Triple threat matches are so exciting. Last great one was Benoit, Michaels, and Triple H at Wrestlemania 20.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 03, 2011, 09:49:12 PM
I think I'm going to WrestleMania again next year, only a 2 hour drive or so.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 03, 2011, 10:04:55 PM
I probably won't be able to go to one unless they somehow bring it to Buffalo (which won't happen as they seem to only want stadiums now rather than arenas).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 09, 2011, 06:30:34 AM
So last nights Raw was pretty good. I really like the segment at the end of the show for the contract signing. CM Punk basically was pretty good on the mic. First he pretty much said that these contract signings ended up in a fight at the end which this one did but the back and forth between Cena and Punk were great with their mic skills. It was nice seeing the Rock too. He basically pretty much explained why nobody likes Cena. At least the older fans anyway don't like him.

So SummerSlam is this Sunday. So far the card is Cena vs Punk to determine the undisputed WWE Champion. Triple H will be the guest ref.Whoever is champion will face Mysterio on Raw next week. Christian vs Orton in a no holds barred match. Shamus vs Mark Henry. Should be pretty good match up. Kelly Kelly versus Beth Phoenix. Thats what I saw but I think more will be added this Friday on Smackdown.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 09, 2011, 04:18:16 PM
Yeah, those are the only 4 announced so far. This is not a good thing since SummerSlam is their second biggest PPV of the year. If I had to guess, I would assume they will add Ziggler vs. Riley for the US Championship. Not sure what else though.

With the rumors that Mysterio injured his knee over the weekend, I doubt he will get the title next week. Triple H teased a possible heel turn this Sunday, but I really hope they don't use this to have Cena win the match since I think Punk should be given a lengthy world title run for once (his longest reign has been about 2 months).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 09, 2011, 09:36:16 PM
Hopefully all this "Undisputed WWE Champion" means they're bringing that titles back and ditching the disgrace to profession wrestling that is the current bastardization of the WWE title.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 10, 2011, 02:03:27 AM
I have seen others say it and I agree, the spinner belt looks like some crappy piece of bling that a rapper would have worn like 5 or 6 years ago. I am glad it at least doesn't spin anymore, but it still looks silly.

On TNA, I seem to be in the minority of those on the Internet who like the Joker Sting. However, I don't care if Dixie Carter is on TV or not and that was his reason for wanting the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. I couldn't care less about the X Division because it's just a name and not an actual division (it's was a made up marketing gimmick to help make TNA unique), and they seem to come and go when it comes to pushing it anyways. TNA used to have a great tag team division but seem to be walking away from it now and Beer Money (one of the best tag teams in wrestling right now) are stuck feuding with teams like Mexican America.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2011, 11:29:14 AM
The current WWE storyline with Punk and Cena is one of the most entertaining since the Attitude era. I like that the WWE is acknowledging the fact that fans are privy to some of the stuff that occurs behind the scenes. Many wrestling fans have access to the internet and they know who got fired and for what and who's going to debut. They can read about wrestlers on wikipedia or google. WWE is using that in storylines and blurring the line between reality and the WWE bubble. Of course, it's still fiction, but it makes for more engaging television, better than it has been in recent years. Maybe they're getting a little crazy over the amount of time spent on promos vs. actual wrestling (not as bad as TNA/Impact Wrestling or whatever it's called). The "contract signing" took over 20 minutes. No wrestling, just talking. However, CM Punk is amazing on the microphone. His ability to cut awesome promos is the only thing that makes this work. I don't think there's anyone else on the roster today who's as good as him, certainly not Cena or HHH.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 14, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Streaming SummerSlam in HD...pretty decent so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 14, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
Wow! Randy Orton vs Christian - epic match! Won't give it away, but that has to be seen in it's entirety. Lots of huge spots, didn't botch anything, it was basically perfect.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 14, 2011, 10:14:04 PM
Watching it now. The Cena and CM Punk match is starting now. Triple H is heading to the ring as I type this. That Christian and Orton match was excellent. I liked the special guest before the match.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 14, 2011, 10:53:17 PM
My feed went out for a short while but I saw the ending of Summerslam and well there was a guest appearance by a wrestler who did his finishing move and then Del Rio cash in his money in the bank on CM Punk.Del Rio won.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 14, 2011, 10:53:25 PM
Horrible ending to the match, but a (couple of) nice surprises afterwards. CM Punk gets the 3 count while Triple H "doesn't see" Cena's leg on the ropes, then Kevin Nash comes into the ring and gives Punk the Jack Knife Power Bomb, so of course Del Rio cashes in the MitB Briefcase (even though they never waited for Punk to recover like they always do) and wins the title after a kick to the head. Obviously it'll be a big setup by Triple H, Nash, etc, to get the title off of Punk.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 14, 2011, 10:55:32 PM
Actually, they don't always wait for the champion to recover. They really only did that recently. CM Punk and Edge cashed in the MITB and both times only had to wait for the announcer to make it official.. I don't like how it ended.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 14, 2011, 11:52:24 PM
Aw, lame! I wanted Punk to hold the belt longer. The short title reigns and belts quickly changing hands reminds me of the Vince Russo era of WCW.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 14, 2011, 11:55:32 PM
Or the Russo/Bischoff/Hogan era of TNA. LOL
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on August 15, 2011, 12:02:51 AM
TJ: 1, TNA: -475931
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
Interesting note regarding the end of the PPV, Alberto Del Rio became the first Mexican-born WWE Champion. Eddie Gurrero was born in Texas and Rey Mysterio in California. The title has now been held by people born in the United States, Italy, Canada, Ireland, Mexico, Japan, Iran, and Spain.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
Shameless plug, but I maintain a record of how long champions in WWE have held their titles (for example, Cena has held the WWE Championship for a combined total of 1,045 days; this puts him in 4th all time behind Bruno Sammartino/Hulk Hogan/Bob Backlund). I am thinking of adding TNA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TJ_Spyke/Test
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 15, 2011, 05:35:52 PM
Some wrestling news stories from today:

*WWE senior referee Mike Chioda was suspended for 30 days for his first violation of the companies Wellness Policy.
*Hulk Hogan has said he still regrets passing on the George Foreman Grill. He was originally offered the chance to endorse it, but declined and chose to endorse a pasta maker instead. Foreman was offered it next and has made $300 million over the years from it.
*B.G. James (aka Road Dogg) hinted on Twitter that Kevin Nash got the phone call on Friday about appearing at SummerSlam
*Daniel Bryan has said he was told by somebody in WWE that he needed to change his theme music if he wanted people to like him. He originally picked "Ride of the Valkyries" because he thought it was awesome and hope people would eventually sing along (I like his old theme and hate his new one, I am not sure most people even know the lyrics to it anyways).
*Also related to Daniel Bryan, he said his ideal pick for WrestleMania next year would be to have Shawn Michaels come out of retirement and win the world title, then face him. He knows this most likely won't happen, so hsi next choice would be Randy Orton because he is the top dog on SmackDown.
*Cee Lo Green has said his outfit was inspired by the Legion of Doom because he was a huge fan of the tag team and that Road Warrior Animal has even complimented him on the tribute.
*The original plan for The Miz at SummerSlam was to face Rey Mysterio one on one, but Mysterio's knee wasn't healthy enough to risk it without further damage. This is why to went with a six-man tag team match and had Mysterio do minimal action in it.
*WWE has suspended Tough Enough winner Andy Levine for violating the Wellness Policy, thought they haven't confirmed it since they don't announce suspensions of their developmental wrestlers.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 23, 2011, 04:08:01 AM
Just finished watching Raw and well Cena and Punk had another great match.  It was to determine who would face Del Rio at Night of Champions. Cena won in a similar way that Punk won at Money in the Bank except replace Mr. Mc McMahon with Kevin Nash. However earlier in the evening Triple H was told by John Larinitis that Nash was in a car accident and was taken to the hospital. So Triple H went to the Hospital and left Larinitis in charge.  I think I know who sent Nash the message to attack Punk. I think it was Stephine McMahan acting on the wishes of her father Vince. Nash and Larinitis are the pawns in all of this.Triple H is the one that doesn't know what has been happening.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 23, 2011, 10:58:30 PM
Nash's moustache gives me the creeps. It's like he shaves his moustache...but at the same time he has a full blown pornstache.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on August 30, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
Well it seems that Kevin Nash is now a Superstar in the WWE now. There was going to be a match up between Kevin Nash and Punk at Night of Champions but at the end of the Raw Supershow Triple H is going to face Punk at NoC. Pretty good match ups on Raw last night. Lots of good matches. I'm glad they are going back to having both Raw and Smackdown Superstars on the same show. It makes things more entertaining.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2011, 03:21:41 PM
I think last night's show was a little too hectic, and am worried that the effective end of the brand split will mean low and mid-card wrestlers will get even less attention.

BTW, WWE Champion Alberto Del Rio was not on Raw last night (or this past weekend house shows) because he was having visa issues. To be honest though, I didn't even notice he wasn't there.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 20, 2011, 02:33:29 AM
Finished watching Night of Champions and Raw tonight and something doesn't make sense to me.  At Night of Champions when Truth and Miz came down to the ring during the HHH and Punk match and beat up the ref and threw him out the ring and John Larenightest came in and HHH hit the pedigree on Punk and the the referee came down to count John stopped the ref while when Punk hit the GTS on HHH John told the ref to count. So it would seem that Punk was right about John tonight on Raw. Also Truth I believe pulled the ref out when Punk was pinning HHH which would imply that Truth and Miz wanted HHH to stay the COO.He would have left the ref alone if they didn't want HHH to be the COO. So when MIz and Truth were fired tonight I was very confused.

Did anybody else see John texting someone at night of champions twice.Once after the Punk conversation and also during the HHH and Punk match after the Miz and Truth came down to the ring and then after that Nash comes through the crowd and attacks both HHH and Punk.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 20, 2011, 02:37:54 PM
It's Laurenitis, but anyway here's what's going on. Miz, Truth, and Nash firings were obviously all fake. It's possible that Chris Masters, Vladimir Kozlov, David Hart Smith, Melina and a couple others from a while back were fake too. WWE recently trademarked the name "Mr. Future Endeavor" who will probably be either Kevin Nash or John Laurentitis, leading a stable of "fired" WWE superstars (Miz, Truth, etc). It's basically going to be a new take on the nWo, but with younger talent who actually has a bit of wrestling skills. The thing that makes me think that Masters and Kozlov were not actually fired is that WWE typically puts the real names of the wrestlers when they are released and they didn't do that for any of the superstars I mentioned.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: GoldenPhoenix on September 22, 2011, 03:00:18 AM
Finished watching Night of Champions and Raw tonight and something doesn't make sense to me.  At Night of Champions when Truth and Miz came down to the ring during the HHH and Punk match and beat up the ref and threw him out the ring and John Larenightest came in and HHH hit the pedigree on Punk and the the referee came down to count John stopped the ref while when Punk hit the GTS on HHH John told the ref to count. So it would seem that Punk was right about John tonight on Raw. Also Truth I believe pulled the ref out when Punk was pinning HHH which would imply that Truth and Miz wanted HHH to stay the COO.He would have left the ref alone if they didn't want HHH to be the COO. So when MIz and Truth were fired tonight I was very confused.

Did anybody else see John texting someone at night of champions twice.Once after the Punk conversation and also during the HHH and Punk match after the Miz and Truth came down to the ring and then after that Nash comes through the crowd and attacks both HHH and Punk.

R-truth has an insane and unstable gimmick, so it makes perfect sense in that context. R-Truth is not rationale and hasn't been presented as such.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on September 22, 2011, 07:34:02 PM
Finished watching Night of Champions and Raw tonight and something doesn't make sense to me.  At Night of Champions when Truth and Miz came down to the ring during the HHH and Punk match and beat up the ref and threw him out the ring and John Larenightest came in and HHH hit the pedigree on Punk and the the referee came down to count John stopped the ref while when Punk hit the GTS on HHH John told the ref to count. So it would seem that Punk was right about John tonight on Raw. Also Truth I believe pulled the ref out when Punk was pinning HHH which would imply that Truth and Miz wanted HHH to stay the COO.He would have left the ref alone if they didn't want HHH to be the COO. So when MIz and Truth were fired tonight I was very confused.

Did anybody else see John texting someone at night of champions twice.Once after the Punk conversation and also during the HHH and Punk match after the Miz and Truth came down to the ring and then after that Nash comes through the crowd and attacks both HHH and Punk.

R-truth has an insane and unstable gimmick, so it makes perfect sense in that context. R-Truth is not rationale and hasn't been presented as such.

Yeah in that context it makes sense.I didn't think of that.

Also it seems that Hugh Jackman was on Raw this past week and may have caused a hairline mandibular fracture to Ziggler with his punch to the jaw.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 22, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
The jaw fracture is a fabrication. It did look like he actually hit him, but not that hard.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: MysticGohan on September 26, 2011, 05:08:49 AM
I like Bret "The Hitman" Hart : ) 30+yrs big fan lol
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2011, 11:52:09 PM
The jaw fracture is a fabrication. It did look like he actually hit him, but not that hard.

Jackman says that Ziggler told him before the show to punch him as hard as he could (Jackman was worried since he's spent the last 20 years learning how to fake punch, but Ziggler said that with all the cameras and fans that it would be obvious if he did a fake punch). It was also Ziggler's idea to do the injury angle on Twitter, not WWE's. The punch did look great though.

It was funny to hear how much the crowd popped when Triple H mentioned The Muppets being guest hosts on the October 31 Raw.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 04, 2011, 10:33:43 AM
Did anybody see Hell in a Cell on Sunday and the fallout of of it on Monday Night Raw?

The Hell in a cell PPV was pretty good. At the end of the PPV TheMiz and R-Truth got into the ring. I personally think they got under the ring somehow and at the matches end they disrupted the whole PPV. Basically during the match Ricardo Rodriguez got the key from one of the officials and opened up the door to the hell in a cell. and brought a tire iron into the match which Del Rio used to attack Cena and locked him out of the cage. Cena couldn't get into the cage again. Del Rio threw the key underneath the ring and finished off Punk with the tire iron after Punk tried to do the GTS. On Monday they had a vote of confidence for HHH and basically everyone and I do mean everyone on both shows let the show but the WWE Universe was still cheering HHH as the show was ending. 
So what does everyone think is going to happen with this moving forward?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 04, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
Here's what will happen - Survivor Series: Team WWE vs Team Future Endeavor
Team WWE: John Cena, CM Punk, Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin (yes, I went there)
Team Future Endeavor: Kevin Nash, The Miz, R-Truth, Dolph Ziggler, Vince McMahon
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 11, 2011, 01:09:20 AM
Well looking at what happened tonight on Raw with Miz and Truth coming back there is that possiblity. Plus with CM Punk siding with Triple H tonight there is that as well. Jonny Ace fired JR tonight and as The King said it seems Johny Ace is just undoing all the good things that Triple H did. It seems Triple H isn't running Raw anymore so he can get more involved then if he wasn't running Raw. Also Cole was talking about change and well I really didn't see any changes. It is just that the chaos is when somebody that wants it is happening. Before it was just like kids acting out to get their way. So Vengence is 2 weeks away and I guess they will use that time to build on the storyline till it is built up enough.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on October 22, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
So I just read an article about how Vince McMahon realizes that while the Divas attract a certain demographic (I presume dudes who act like they've never seen an attractive woman before), he dislikes their matches and segments.

Yeah... That's pretty much what's wrong with the WWE. Instead of improving a stale or broken product, they just let it sit there and rot. Great. From what I understand of the Divas division, the 2 best female wrestlers are on the same f-ing team (Natalya and Beth Phoenix). What the hell? I've never been a fan of the women's/Diva's division, but if it's going to be there, it might as well be as entertaining as it can be, meaning ol' Johnny Funkman should do some damn talent scouting and bring in some women who can actually wrestle and not have a bunch of models running around who don't know their way around the ring. I can name one wrestler right off the bat: Daffney. Yeah, she's 36, but she's trained to wrestle and doesn't suck at it. Plus, she's hot so she can still be marketed that way since that's half the appeal of the division. Apparently, she used to date CM Punk so unless that's really awkward, I say bring her in and make that division less about Kelly Kelly pretending that she wrestles and more about chicks who can.

Speaking of CM Punk, apparently, Shawn Michaels saved his career back in 2007. Michaels was sitting in an ECW storyline meeting when Vince and the agents started bashing Punk (again) until Michaels said, "“Um, if you don’t like something the kid is doing, why don’t you work with him to fix it… instead of killing him." It's sad that it took someone who isn't a part of the creative team to say that. Why hire and pay these people if you're just going to bash them? Why cringe at and mock employees who put on matches and segments that are boring, terrible, and don't appeal to the live audience or at home (i.e. Diva's Division) instead of trying to improve them?

I only really pay attention to Punk's segments and matches and they've taken a dip in quality since becoming a full-fledged face. I thought it worked better when he was playing the rebel who was kind of a face and kind of a heel. So much for that. The rest of the show ranges from barely passable to neverending facepalm. It's just not that interesting and I'm glad I can skip a lot of it on youtube. But, it doesn't have to be like that. There's too much talking and not enough wrestling. Bring in guys and gals who can do both but have them fucking wrestle more. That's what the second W stands for, dammit! And bringing back Mick Foley isn't going to fix an overall shitty show, especially if they have him play super-face Foley that jumps at every cheap pop he can get. Not even bringing back Chris Jericho is going to fix a whole lot if the product itself remains stale and predictable. CM Punk's epic promo back in June was awesome because there was nothing else like it. After that, Raw just became lame again.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on October 24, 2011, 12:25:54 PM
Here's what will happen - Survivor Series: Team WWE vs Team Future Endeavor
Team WWE: John Cena, CM Punk, Triple H, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin (yes, I went there)
Team Future Endeavor: Kevin Nash, The Miz, R-Truth, Dolph Ziggler, Vince McMahon

Hmm based on what happened at Vengence I think this is a very high possibility. I think instead of Dolph Ziggler we are going to to have Alberto Del Rio. Also it was announced that The Rock will be at Survivor Series. So the only thing left would be Stone Cold Steve Austin and Vince McMahon from your list. I think either The Big Show or Mark Henry will take that last spot on the WWE team but after what happened in their match there might not be a chance of that happening.The other possibility is The Undertaker for Team WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 24, 2011, 01:05:48 PM
Vengeance was pretty terrible (I'm happy Del Rio won, but there shouldn't have been any interference), but the Superplex was pretty awesome. I actually wonder if that was supposed to happen or not. I kind of think it wasn't supposed to, so they had Show and Henry stall for a while so they could come up with some changes to the main event. What makes me think it was real is that they never tried to fix it, and every time Cena or Del Rio landed on the mat there was no give and you could tell it actually hurt.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 18, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
Jesus Christ people, lets discuss wrestling again. TLC was tonight - pretty damn good PPV actually. I wish Mark Henry kept the title longer, but he had a pretty decent run. Daniel Bryan cashing in and winning (without doing anything) was both unexpected and disappointing, but I don't watch Smackdown! so I don't even care really. HHH vs Nash was better than I would have expected (I liked the last few seconds especially), but I think it would have been better if Nash had won...maybe. The triple threat was awesome. I figured it was down to Del Rio or Miz once CM Punk got cuffed to the turnbuckle, but that was a pretty great finish. I should also point out (not a spoiler but...) that www.hahasport.com (http://www.hahasport.com) always has streams to WWE PPVs, and they rarely get taken down.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 18, 2011, 11:07:29 PM
I didn't watch the PPV, but it sounded really good from the coverage on PWTorch. I really agree with the title changes that did happen, and pretty much agree with all of the match results.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on December 25, 2011, 07:40:21 PM
I did like the TLC PPV and I did like the results and the crowning of the new champions. I think it is a nice young step for the WWE. I thought all the matches were great. I think Daniel Bryan cashing in early could have a nice setup for a Wrestlemania match for Bryan. I did like the ending to the Triple Threat match. Punk is resourceful.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 31, 2011, 12:29:00 AM
Welcome back to WWE, Brock Lesnar! That's not a spoiler - just a prediction. Brock lost to Overeem tonight (looks like his guts will never fully heal) and retired from UFC. WrestleMania just got a little more Mania-er.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 31, 2011, 02:46:42 PM
He also just this week said that if the money was right, he would return to WWE. I don't know if he would want a full time schedule though since he said that was one of the primary reasons he left in the first place.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on December 31, 2011, 02:49:41 PM
He's still under UFC contract, and if I'm Dana White I keep him locked up until it runs out. If he'll come down from the ragequit, I want to make money off it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 03, 2012, 09:27:13 AM
Jericho's return is getting mixed reactions from the internetz. I'm a huge Jericho fan and while I'm disappointed that he didn't cut a killer promo, I liked the way it was handled. That was the best live audience trolling since Norm Macdonald "roasted" Bob Saget. Jericho's debut in 1999 and return in 2007 were basically the same thing. Last night's comeback was a parody of those and every other major return of a superstar who grabs a mic and talks for 10 minutes. I thought it was a nice twist on the formula. I was hoping the "It Begins" clips were for someone else and Jericho would be a surprise entrant at the Royal Rumble but there's no way he could come back as a heel that way so smart move on WWE's part.

Jericho is probably being set up to face CM Punk (with the whole Best in the World thing) so I predict Jericho winning the Royal Rumble so he can get a title shot at Wrestlemania. I can't decide who I'd want to win that match. I'm leaning toward Punk keeping the title because Jericho is the bigger name and Punk losing does more damage to his character. I don't think people are convinced that he should be a top superstar (I think he should and is) which is another reason why Jericho not cutting a promo was a good idea. If Jericho interrupted Punk, I think the high of a major superstar return would overshadow and trump storyline plans. Even if Jericho tried to be a heel, he'd probably end up getting a bigger pop and leaving as a face which would totally suck for Punk. I think Punk needs more time to be a top guy. They'll eventually have their pipe bomb sparring soon enough but I'm glad they held off.

I was hoping for Undertaker vs. Jericho at Wrestlemania since I wanted Undertaker to face someone different (Jericho would absolutely HAVE to lose, that's not debatable) and I really don't want to see Taker vs. HHH again. So, unless WWE has Jericho wrestle 2 matches on a single PPV again, I think we're getting Punk vs. Jericho for the WWE title and Taker vs. HHH.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on January 05, 2012, 01:27:11 AM
im going to root for jericho but not watch it, because i havent watched more than 2 minutes at a time 3 times a year for 6 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 09, 2012, 10:04:13 PM
So WWE will have 2 inductees into the Hall of Fame announced tonight. I am sure one will be Mil Mascaras (who they already announced on their website a couple of month ago after Triple H made the announcement during their tour of Mexico in October). The other was announced about 20 minutes ago. I don't think it's too early for him, he deserves to be in.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on January 10, 2012, 01:40:46 PM
Yeah he total deserves to be in the WWE Hall of Fame. He was a apart of one of the greatest tag teams and he did have that World Heavyweight title the most time times I think. I gotta say that he is my fave superstar.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 10, 2012, 11:13:49 PM
Correct, he held the title 7 times, next most is Triple H at 5. I see people saying too soon, but Eddie Guerrero was inducted 4 months after he died and Shawn Michaels was also inducted 1 year after he retired.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2012, 04:56:37 PM
how many times has Shawn Michaels retired? My entire run of watching wrestling spanned like 5 years and he was gone the majority of that time. Or at least it seemed that way.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 12, 2012, 06:07:33 PM
Twice, though the first one was because he suffered a severe back injury that prevented him from competing. The current one was because he chose to retire. He retired after dropping the WWF Championship to Steve Austin at WrestleMania XIV in March 1998 (though he suffered the injury in a casket match against The Undertaker at the 1998 Royal Rumble). He returned at SummerSlam 2002.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on January 12, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
how long was he an active Wrestler, or just Commissioner Michaels?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 12, 2012, 07:22:53 PM
He was active in WWE from about 1988-1998, and then 2002-2010. His Commissionership was late 1998 to early 1999, and then he did a couple of guest referee spots, but other than that...
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on January 13, 2012, 06:23:49 PM
Sting deserves to be in the WWE Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 13, 2012, 06:27:21 PM
I have no doubt he will be once his career in TNA is over (yes I know Ric Flair has confirmed he will be on stage at the Hall of Fame ceremony when the Four Horsemen get inducted). Supposedly he was close to a deal with WWE last year but ended up re-signing with TNA because he was worried about how WWE would treat his character.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 13, 2012, 07:10:25 PM
Supposedly he was close to a deal with WWE last year but ended up re-signing with TNA because he was worried about how WWE would treat his character.
I would have believed that explanation if Joker Sting didn't exist...

He probably could have negotiated some kind of creative control. Vince McMahon probably would have let Sting do whatever he wanted (though Sting is known for being a consummate professional) just to have Undertaker vs. Sting on the WrestleMania card. That said, Sting's supposed apprehension walks the line of paranoia. WWE really couldn't have done worse to the Sting character than TNA and not because WWE is so great (for most of the show, it's not) but because TNA is so bad. Still, not having a major name like Sting dominating allowed someone like CM Punk to emerge from the ranks so maybe it was for the best.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 29, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
So, the WWE built up Jericho's return for like 6 weeks, then had him not do anything for 3 weeks only to... lose the Royal Rumble. That was a slow build to nothing. It kind of reminds me of this past summer where the whole Punk, HHH, and Nash thing culminated in the storyline just fizzling out. It started off interestingly enough then dropped off. I'm a little curious what they plan on doing now. I suppose this frees up Jericho to lose to the Undertaker at Wrestlemania, maybe with Shawn Michaels as special guest referee.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2012, 11:24:30 PM
I knew Y2J was going to be #29, but was expecting Undertaker (or even John Cena) as #30. They wasted some build-up by having Big Show #30, and including Michael Cole and Jerry Lawler in the Rumble. Pretty weak PPV by all accounts. Hopefully Y2J does something interesting tomorrow night and Cena finally turns heel.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BeautifulShy on February 01, 2012, 07:26:47 AM
Well that Raw was interesting. By the sounds of things Taker is back and he wanted to face Triple H again at Wrestlemania again but it sounded like HHH declined so I guess the storyline for Taker will be finding an opponent for Taker before Wrestlemania which is about 2 months away. Jericho is a possible candidate but he is tied up with the WWE title and CM Punk title so that may not be possible unless he loses. Any other possible choices?Also Take is 19 and 0 at this point so it kinda has to be special.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 01, 2012, 05:59:49 PM
I am sure it will still be Triple H, but it will be like 2 years ago when Michaels took weeks to get Undertaker to agree to a re-match.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: ThePerm on February 01, 2012, 07:18:49 PM
Sting vs Undertaker? I made this happen in my copy of WWF attitude lol.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2012, 08:26:10 PM
The creative team might throw a swerve because the IWC already assumed Triple H vs. Undertaker is happening. Apparently, the same thing happened with the Rumble. Jericho was so clearly set up to win to set up a feud with Punk which judging by Raw is still going to happen. It just took an extra night to do so though he could have just ran-in a Punk match 4 weeks ago so 11th hour changes to storylines tend to lead to sloppy fixes.

I've read that the WWE is thinking about combining the WWE Championship Title and the World Heavyweight Championship Title which makes sense since the brands barely mean anything anymore with Smackdown superstars on Raw now. It also makes sense to involve Jericho in such a storyline since he was the first Undisputed Champion and it goes along with the "End of the World" (Heavyweight Championship title) gimmick. A Vengeance 2001-esque tournament to combine the titles at Wrestlemania would be cool and it would be a good time to revamp the WWE Championship Title Belt.

Anyway, if Triple H doesn't face/lose to Undertaker at Wrestlemania (and I hope he doesn't), I don't know who should. Kane is a possibility but I don't want to see Kane vs. Undertaker again.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 01, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
Actually, the reports are that Orton was originally gonna win the rumble until his injury. He did come back in time, but they had already changed the plans.

The unification rumors has existed for years, I will not believe it until it happens.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2012, 09:02:23 PM
Actually, the reports are that Orton was originally gonna win the rumble until his injury. He did come back in time, but they had already changed the plans.
Depends on the report, sir. I've read everything from Jericho just winning to Orton and Jericho going into overtime to both of them winning. Not that it matters at this point but I'm just sharing what I've read. Still seems pretty odd to hype up Jericho's return just have him lose but they did that back in 2007. In any case, if the swerve rumors are true, the creative team just needs to let it happen. That's why storylines exist. If they're predictable, write better ones.
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The unification rumors has existed for years, I will not believe it until it happens.
I'm more inclined to believe it this time considering the WWE basically reunited the brands with the Raw Supershow. I'm a fan of the Big Gold Belt but there's really no reason for it to exist. There are just too many titles, especially if WWE plans on having one brand moving forward.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2012, 10:08:09 PM
I think Jericho attacking Bryan and Punk might be setting up a triple threat for the Undisputed Championship. That could easily go down as the best triple threat match ever. There have been some classics over the years, like Austin/Angle/RVD and HHH/HBK/Benoit..and every triple threat match my friends and I used to play in Wrestlemania 2000/No Mercy.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 01, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Jericho didn't really attack Bryan though, just push him out of the way so he could get to Punk and Bryan was happy because it meant he technically won the match. Also, Sheamus has a title shot at WrestleMania, so at the very least it would need to be a fatal four-way if Jericho was involved too.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 01, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
Not if Sheamus puts his title shot on the line at Elimination Chamber and loses. That's how Rey Mysterio lost his shot after winning the Royal Rumble. Sheamus could also "cash" his title shot at a different event like Cena previously did but Sheamus already said he's going to challenge for a title at Wrestlemania.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 01, 2012, 11:32:21 PM
I liked Sheamus better as a heel (and Randy Orton while we're at it), but I think he would actually be a good addition if they went with said match and made it a Fatal Four Way. He's a solid wrestler and he'd be the only powerhouse in the match, but a Fatal Four Way (and really even a Triple Threat) don't seem that WrestleMania-ish, at least not for the championship.

Back to other things - I don't think WWE has any choice but to make Cena turn heel before WrestleMania. You could put Jesus in the ring against the Rock in Miami, and they would boo the living hell out of him. I wasn't sure what to think of this whole Kane thing, but it has potential, I think they should have started it a little earlier though. Perhaps a Cena and Kane vs The Rock and Zack Ryder match will take place before WM?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 01, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
I don't think Rock would wrestle on Raw, and they seem to be gearing for a Kane/Cena re-match at Elimination Chamber (which local ads in Milwaukee are also saying). WWE seems to be reluctant to pull the trigger on heel Cena, though they have been slowly moving towards it. I could see them doing it in-between EC and WM though. Cena needs to never do that angry/constipated face again though.

And did Ryder piss of the wrong person backstage? He is one of the most popular wrestlers in WWE and was US Champion, then they had him lose the title and be out for at least a few weeks with a injury angle.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 02, 2012, 01:36:33 AM
WWE would probably feel more comfortable turning Cena heel if he had more universal appeal. Turning him heel kind of just makes everyone in general hate him then his merch sales suffer. WWE also currently doesn't have a face that can match Cena. It's not like 10 or so years ago where they could turn Triple H heel because The Rock, Steve Austin and Mankind were so over with fans. All of those guys could turn repeatedly over the course of the year. The guys the WWE has today like CM Punk and Orton are better at drawing heat and none of them are as good and profitable as faces as Cena. Jericho has that universal appeal but he'll never be as popular as Austin or The Rock and who knows when he'll leave again anyway. He's clearly supposed to be a heel but people were still cheering for him after he attacked Punk on Raw. He's good at drawing heat but he needs someone really over to get the audience to buy it. With the current roster, it's going to be hard to keep Jericho heel because of his fanbase. He should punch Shawn Michaels' wife in the face again. Or the creative team can use Jericho's marketability to turn Cena heel.

Otherwise, I think they can get away with Cena being a lesser-face until after his feud with The Rock. It's kind of like when the WWE goes to Canada and guys like Bret Hart and Edge were untouchable whether or not storylines had them as heels while guys like HBK (post-screwjob) would always be booed there.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2012, 12:55:31 PM
Cena was getting nothing but cheers when he was going off on Kane. I expect a total reversal of fans/haters for Cena if he turns heel. The people that hate him don't just hate him in general, they hate the boyscout that he plays on TV. Just like when the Rock was a face originally - the fans liked him, then hated him so he hated him back - he turns heel and the fans go crazy for him, which carried over to when he turned face again. This is exactly what Cena needs to do - especially if The Rock is going to "pass the torch."
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 02, 2012, 06:30:00 PM
Adrock, Punk is actually #1 in merchandise sales now (better than even Cena). He is also mega over with the fans. He may not be the pipebomb he was last summer, but I blame that more on WWE having him basically feud with Laurinaitis.

With Jericho, I think it's more that when someone returns after a long time away the fans cheer them. For example, in 2001 Triple H was a big heel as part of the Corporate Ministry and tag team partners with Steve Austin. He then got injured (and missed out on the entire invasion angle) and returned in January 2002 to a massive pop from the crowd. Jericho got the same thing when he first returned and didn't really turn the crowd against him until he attacked Shawn Michaels.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 05, 2012, 11:04:25 PM
Random wrestling news of the week:

John Hennigan (John Morrison in WWE) became the first WWFX (World Wrestling Fan Experience) Champion in a mega-card in the Philippines that also featured former WWE stars Melina, Shelton Benjamin (who Hennigan beat), MVP, Carlito, Chris Masters, Luke Gallows, Daivari, Jimmy Wang Yang, Snitsky, Shane Helms, Rhino, Billy Gunn, and Jillian Hall.

Brodus Clay was in a match against Heath Slater taped at the SmackDown tapings, but the match was not aired for unknown reasons.

The Rock, via Twitter, has endorsed current TNA World Heavyweight Champion Robert Roode

Musician Kris Kristofferson's son Jody Kristofferson is under a developmental contract with Florida Championship Wrestling (WWE's developmental league). TMZ says that WWE officials believe he can be a break-out star and the trainers at FCW were impressed with his work this week.

Sting says he was very close to signing with WWE last year before re-signing with TNA. He says he would like to compete at WrestleMania before his career is over though and that The Undertaker is the top opponent he has never wrestled that he wants to.

Syfy says that the next live episode of SmackDown will be on February 21 (with a replay in its normal timeslot of February 24). This will be the first episode after the Elimination Chamber PPV, and will result in 7 hours of live WWE programming over 3 days.

WWE is considering airing 3D versions of select PPV's beginning with SummerSlam 2012, it won't be ready before WrestleMania XXVIII.

Matt Hardy's court date for his various arrests last summer have been stayed until March 1. His charges include: (1) Driving While Impaired & Exceeding Safe Speed. (2) Felony "Possession with intent to distribute," Felony possession, and Felony maintaining a vehicle/dwelling for drugs. (3) Misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia. (4) Misdemeanor Violation of Court Order.

THQ reported that WWE 12 has shipped 2 million copies (they said shipped, which does not mean sold) so far, which is what they expected.

Kurt Angle and Don Curtis will be inducted into the George Tragos/Lou Thesz Professional Wrestling Hall of Fame this year. Road Warrior Animal will also receive the Frank Gotch Award, which is given to a professional wrestler who brings positive recognition to the sport through work outside the ring. Dan Severn will receive the George Tragos Award, which is given to an exceptionally competitive wrestler who has adapted his wrestling skills and competitive nature to excel in Mixed Martial Arts. John "Bradshaw" Layfield will receive the Lou Thesz Award. Wrestling journalist Bill Apter will receive the Jim Melby Award.

"Invincible" by Machine Gun Kelly was confirmed as the official theme song of WrestleMania XXVIII.

CM Punk announced on his friend Colt Cobana's podcast that WWE will be releasing a 3-disc DVD set on his career and life. He will have pretty much total control over it, picking the matches on it, who gets interviewed, even the music that is used.

WWE Legends House will air on Syfy. It was supposed to air on WWE Network, but the launch of the network has been pushed back to later in 2012. The show will be taped at the Harpo Marx estate in California and will finish on March 31 (the day before WrestleMania). Principal filming will take place in the home, but the Legends will also "eat, drink, and play" throughout the region and take one golf and hot-air balloon outing.

Mick Foley and his wife appeared on an episode of the ABC show Celebrity Wife Swap that aired on Monday. They switched with actor/model Antonio Sabato, Jr.

Territory League (a new promotion created by Rikishi) will hold the First Annual Rodney Anoa'i Championship Cup to honor the late Yokozuna (whose real name was Rodney Anoa'i). Confirmed participants include Rikishi (who was related to him), Snitsky, Brian Christoper, Gangrel, and Scotty 2 Hotty. They will be in a team-based format that is based on results from the past 9 months.

Kharma returned at the Royal Rumble after being out for the past 10 months on maternity leave. She gave birth to a son named Jamie on December 31.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 06, 2012, 09:11:08 AM
I read that Cena is using that song for his entrance instead.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 06, 2012, 10:42:31 AM
It will be used for both, based on reports I have seen. Cena always likes to do something different at WrestleMania.

Shawn Michaels has been confirmed to be on Raw next week.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2012, 02:00:16 AM
Adrock, Punk is actually #1 in merchandise sales now (better than even Cena). He is also mega over with the fans. He may not be the pipebomb he was last summer, but I blame that more on WWE having him basically feud with Laurinaitis.
I'm mostly going by what I've read. It's more than merch sales. Apparently, the WWE is worried about ratings and so they should. Turning Cena heel and keeping Punk as the top face could potentially damage the product. I assume it has something to do with Cena's fan base skewing younger and Punk only becoming a major player within the last year. I mean, I get it from a business perspective. At the same time, just because I get it, doesn't mean I agree. I stopped watching wrestling regularly because, besides a few story lines here and there, the content is mostly predictable and stale. Turn Cena heel. Keep pushing Punk. Why not? I think it's better for the brand if it's constantly changing.
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With Jericho, I think it's more that when someone returns after a long time away the fans cheer them.
It was 4 weeks and he was still getting cheered despite attacking a major face. My point was that some people are still going to cheer him because he's Chris Jericho. Yeah, he was gone for over a year but he's still Chris Jericho. Speaking of, nice reversal with Jericho finally talking and  Punk refusing to respond. Stephanie McMahon is probably coming back soon as "she" from the It Begins promos.

Also, not too happy that they're progressing with another Triple H vs. Undertaker match. I'd rather see almost anyone else except Triple H face the Undertaker. Too bad Sheamus won the Royal Rumble. I'd much rather see Sheamus vs.Undertaker if I can't see Jericho vs. Undertaker (though it was pretty obvious that Jericho was gunning for Punk). And no matter how they try to spin this, it doesn't really make sense for Undertaker to challenge Triple H. Again, I understand the explanation but Undertaker beat him. Why would he want another match? Because Undertaker was out of action for almost a year? Ehh, pretty weak in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 07, 2012, 02:09:39 AM
I have been against Undertaker-Triple H III ever since the rumors started happening a couple of months ago that they would be doing it. Undertaker maybe has a couple of WrestleMania's left and he is gonna face the same person for a 3rd time? I guess I can understand not wanting Triple H to basically get the last word by being the one standing at the end, but it is a pretty flimsy excuse.

I thin Jericho did a good job solidifying himself as heel this week, the fans were pretty strongly booing him, and I am glad he finally explained what that the end of the world was him trying to basically stop all the wrestlers he saw that were copying him (which led to 4 of the other 5 wrestlers in the main event all attacking him).

After a great Raw last week, I thought this week was not that good. I am not a fan of using Khali in major storylines anymore. I am pleasantly surprised they didn't have Jim Ross on to embarrass him like they seemingly always do when they are in Oklahoma City. It's no secret that Vince McMahon loves to make fun of Ross (remember the storyline where Vince was pulling stuff out of a rubber butt that was supposed to be Ross).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 07, 2012, 08:24:55 AM
Agreed with Undertaker vs HHH. I'd rather see Dolph Ziggler or even Randy Orton (as a heel, of course) be the one to end the streak. With all this "I feel sorry for him" talk, the fans will be 100% behind Undertaker, and of course he will win again.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 07, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
I felt that Undertaker got the last word considering he pinned Triple H despite not being able to leave the ring on his own. That's like winning a footrace with a broken leg. Who really looked worse there? Does anyone want to see Triple H vs. Undertaker again? I suppose with Shawn Michaels confirmed for Raw next week on Raw, a handicap or Triple Threat match at Wrestlemania could spice things up but that's probably not going to happen.

And honestly, unless the WWE can book a dream match like Sting vs Undertaker, they should use the Streak to push an up and coming talent. Putting on a killer match at the biggest PPV of the year against the Undertaker instantly gives that superstar credibility even with a loss. Undertaker is going to win but if his opponent can make the audience think the Undertaker might lose (which hasn't happened for me since HBK vs. Undertaker 1), that's what makes wrestling exciting. That is, unless the creative team writes a really bad storyline. I remember Night of Champions last year. I didn't believe for a second that CM Punk had even the slightest chance to beat Triple H once the match was made no DQ and Triple H's COO position was on the line.

Unrelated: it would be nice if Dolph Ziggler's 47 match losing streak would end already. He was made to look really weak at Royal Rumble, having lost that match at least 3 times over then he gets pinned cleanly 2 Monday nights in a row. It looked like he was on the verge of a major push but he's practically been a jobber the past couple weeks.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 13, 2012, 09:44:05 PM
Weekly news roundup:

New York Giants running back Brandon Jacobs will appear on two episodes of Impact Wrestling, which are being taped tonight in an angle with Kurt Angle. Originally it was supposed to be Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul, but he pulled after citing exhaustion.

TNA wrestler Jesse Sorensen was legit injured in his match against Zema Ion at the Against All Odds 2012 PPV on February 12. After Ion's knee hit Sorensen in the head during a moonsault to the outside of the ring, Sorensen collapsed and was taken to a hospital after telling medical officials that his body was numb from the neck down. TNA president Dixie Carter posted this update on Twitter today: "Jesse Sorensen has sustained a C1 vertebrae fracture with spinal cord edema. He is slowly regaining feeling and movement in his arms and legs. He wants to thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. Once we speak to the neurosurgeon, we will pass on more details."

TNA color commentator Taz missed the AAO PPV because his brother-in-law (who he says supported his career when he first started) passed away on Saturday night.

John Cena had a lien against his Florida home removed after paying a roofing company $15,214.92 he owed them.

Ring of Honor's 10th Anniversary show on March 4 will be ROH World Heavyweight champion Davey Richards and Kyle O'Reilly vs. Eddie Edwards and Adam Cole. It will be broadcast on iPPV by GoFightLive.

On title change happened at the AAO PPV, with Samoa Joe and Magnus defeating Matt Morgan and Crimson to win the TNA World Tag Team Championship.

Kazuchika Okada (who appeared in TNA last year with a Lone Ranger mask as Samoa Joe's sidekick) defeated Hiroshi Tanashi to win the IWGP Heavyweight Championship, ending Tanahashi's 13 month reign.

WWE Tough Enough contestant Jeremiah Riggs will be returning to MMA after more than a year off when he fights for the Bellator promotion on their March 16 show in Bossier City, Louisiana. He will face undefeated fighter Trey Houston.

Hulk Hogan says he would be would be willing to shave his trademark fu manchu mustache for a few million dollars, and says he has received offers from Gillette and Right Guard.

Chris Jericho's band Fozzy are preparing to start recording to new album next week in Atlanta, Georgia, and hope to release it by the end of the year.

Batista will be co-starring in the new movie Riddick, he will be playing the character "Diaz". The movie is scheduled to come out in 2013.

WWE announced a new deal with Baltijos TV to air a one hour version of WWE Raw in Lithuania.

Jim Ross announced that WWE is set to release a new "Rivalries" DVD (after the success of the Bret Hart-Shawn Michaels one in 2011) sometime in 2012, though it is not known who will be the subject of it.

Though not confirmed by WWE, both Sean Waltman and his old tag team partner John "Bradshaw" Layfield posted on Twitter that Ron Simmons will be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year. Ron Simmons because famous after becoming the first black world champion in wrestling when he defeated Big Van Vader for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship in 1992. He currently makes occasional appearances on WWE TV to utter his catchphrase ("Damn!").

Chavo Guerrero has been added to the March 27 "Rodney Anoa'i Championship Series" from Territory League.

WWE will release a new "Top 50" DVD, this one being the Top 50 Finishing Moves. Jim Ross recorded footage for it at last weeks Raw taping.

Last week on Raw, WWE announced that John Cena vs. Kane in an Ambulance match has been added to the Elimination Chamber 2012 PPV.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 15, 2012, 06:08:57 PM
It's being reported by njbiz.com that WWE will officially announce that WrestleMania XXIX (being held April 2013) will be at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, New Jersey. This would allow more than 70K fans to attend and be the first WrestleMania in New Jersey since IV and V were held at Trump Plaza in Atlantic City.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on February 15, 2012, 06:35:08 PM
/me crosses his fingers for a week-long monsoon
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 19, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
Just watched EC (streamed of course), what a waste of time. No surprise with who won any of the matches, or who Sheamus chose to fight at WrestleMania, and they made the whole feud between Cena and Kane absolutely pointless So Kane could take out the Undertaker for 3 PPVs in a row, but he can't beat John Cena?. Rumors of a "big surprise" didn't come to fruition, it was a complete waste of a PPV.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 19, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
I figured it would be lame so I didn't bother watching it. I just read the results.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 20, 2012, 02:15:17 AM
TNA Against All Odds was a much more entertaining PPV, IMHO.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 20, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
I haven't seen the PPV yet, but the consensus seems to be that the Raw EC match was one of the best EC matches in history. The only bad match seemed to be the SmackDown EC match.

Weekly news round-up:
In a interview with the United Kingdom newspaper The Sun, Batista said he left WWE in 2010 because he disagreed with the PG direction, and that it would need to change for him to return. He says he was offered a spot on WWE Tough Enough last year, but turned it down because he was not excited by it. He also said if he came back, it would be for a run and not just 1 match and that he would only do it for WWE.

The Rock's current movie, Journey 2: The Mysterious Island, finished in 4th place over the weekend with $20.1 million in the US. This brings its total up to $53.2 million in the US and $181.2 million worldwide.

John Cena won the "Here to Rumble Award" at Cartoon Networks 2nd Annual Hall of Game Awards, it was taped on Saturday and airs tonight. The Miz and his girlfriend Maryse also appeared at the event so Miz could present an award.

Trish Stratus's movie Bounty Hunters was released on DVD in the UK today. It will be released in the US and Canada on February 28.

Quick results from Elimination Chamber: Hunico defeated Alex Riley in the dark match. CM Punk defeated Chris Jericho, Dolph Ziggler, R-Truth, The Miz, and Kofi Kingston in an Elimination Chamber match to retain the WWE Championship (Punk pinned Truth after a top rope elbow drop, Jericho pinned Ziggler after a Codebreaker, Jericho submitted Kingston with the Walls of Jericho, Jericho was eliminated after being knocked out of the cage and being unconscious, Punk pinned Miz after a GTS (Go To Sleep)). Beth Phoenix pinned Tamina Snuka after a Glam Slam to retain the WWE Divas Championship. Alberto Del Rio and Christian returned to show support for John Laurinaitis, along with David Otunga and Mark Henry, becoming General Manager of Raw and SmackDown. Daniel Bryan defeated The Big Show, The Great Khali, Cody Rhodes, Wade Barrett, and Santino Marella in a Elimination Chamber match to retain the World Heavyweight Championship (Big Show pinned Khali after a spear, Rhodes pinned Big Show after a elbow drop from Barrett, Rhodes was pinned by Marella with a roll-up, Barrett was pinned by Marella after a diving headbutt from Bryan, Bryan submitted Marella with the LeBell Lock). Sheamus appeared to pick Daniel Bryan for WM after he came out and hit Bryan with the Celtic Cross. Jack Swagger defeated Justin Gabriel by submission with the ankle lock to retain the WWE United States Championship. John Cena defeated Kane in an ambulance match.

Seth Rollins (formerly known as Tyler Black on the indy circuit) made his WWE TV debut when he appeared in a training video with John Cena (and even spoke). Also in the video was Xavier Woods (Consequences Creed in TNA) and other FCW developmental wrestlers.

A new episode of WWE's webshow "Are You Serious?" with Road Dogg and Josh Mathews focused on the mini-movies WCW used to do in the early 90s, and featured the failed character Phantasio (who appeared in only 1 TV match in WWF).

WWE developmental wrestler Bo Rotundo (son of Mike Rotundo) was arrested Sunday morning at 2:36 AM for DWI with a BAC of 0.166 (more than double the legal limit), but was released at 12:46PM that day on $500 bond.

USA Network is listing the next 3 hour WWE Raw as April 23 in Detroit, Michigan. Based on the timing, this would be the annual WWE Draft episode, and is the last one before the Extreme Rules PPV.

USA Network will air a 1 hour version of the 2012 WWE Hall of Fame ceremony at 8PM on April 2 (right before Raw airs).

Rob Corddry has been added to the cast of the new Rock movie Pain & Gain. The movie also stars Mark Walhberg and is being directed by Michael Bay.

Dogs Lie, a movie featuring TNA wrestler Mr. Anderson, will be released on DVD on April 26 from Vanguard Cinema.

An independent MMA themed movie called Double Fury will be filmed this summer and released in 2013 from SaintSinner Entertainment and Jaunted Productions. It features former WWE wrestlers Chavo Guerrero and Billy Gunn, and TNA Knockouts Gail Kim, Winter, and Miss Tessmacher.

Shawn Michaels is offering a raffle to be his guest for WrestleMania weekend. The raffle is to benefit Operation Homefront San Antonio, Children's Hunger Fund, and Ronald McDonald House.

Indy wrestler Chris Hero's new WWE name is Kassius Ohno. He has updated his Twitter account to reflect the new name and introduced a "KO!" logo.

Former WWE/WCW wrestler Fit Finlay has been confirmed for the April 13 Evolve Wrestling show in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

The Rock is listed as executive producer of a new documentary called "Racing Dreams" that will air as part of the PBS series POV on February 23. It will document one year in the lives of 3 young adults aspiring to become NASCAR drivers.

Chris Jericho will host the 2012 Revolver Golden Gods Awards on April 11 in Los Angeles, California, this will be his third straight year as host. CM Punk is nominated for the "Most Metal Athlete" category (along with MMA fighter Gina Carano, NBA player Dirk Nowitzki, MLB star Evan Longoria, NFL star Mitch Petrus, and motocrosser Brian Deegan).

Pro Wrestling Report will host a WrestleMania weekend party on March 30 at Ocean's Ten in Miami, Florida. Joining PWR hosts Dameon Nelson and David Herro will be Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman, Billy Gunn, Shane Helms, The Headbangers, and TNA Television Champion Robbie E.

Shane McMahon's company YOU on Demand announced a deal to distribute select movies form Lionsgate Entertainment in China.

Chyna will be appearing in a new wrestling themed porn movie. It will feature imposter versions of Hulk Hogan, Triple H, and Ric Flair (among others).

WWE will release a DVD based on the Clash of the Champions show WCW did. It will be hosted by WWE Hall of Famer Dusty Rhodes and will be released on May 22.

WWE Studios will release their new movie Bending the Rules in select theatres on March 9. It stars Edge and Jamie Kennedy.

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 20, 2012, 05:35:49 PM
I don't know whose consensus that is, but the whole PPV sucked. There were a couple good parts, like Jericho throwing Kofi out, then getting kicked in the head and knocked out of the chamber (and possible KO'd for real), but they put the last two remaining wrestlers in both matches made it obvious that there would be no title changes. Cena vs Kane was just plain silly, both big spots were botched, Kane barely lifted Cena up with the chokeslam through the table, which looked more like a cushion to break his fall, and when Cena AA'd Kane off the ambulance it looks like he hit his head on the top and landed on his feet.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on February 21, 2012, 12:28:24 AM
Was Dolph Ziggler legit injured on tonight's RAW? When Show threw him out of the ring it looked like his chin landed on the announce table and that seems like the sort of thing that could cause a serious neck injury. They called in paramedics and someone was quietly taken out of there, but little was said about it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 21, 2012, 12:31:33 AM
The Ziggler injury appears to be storyline, but the Barrett injury appears real. They spent a long time taking care of him (even after the battle royal was over Barrett was still being tended to by the medical officials), and reports from people there say that there was a lot of concern by WWE officials (and you could hear Barrett screaming when his arm was hit).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on February 21, 2012, 01:44:25 AM
Apparently, Ziggler and Punk wrestled a dark match after Raw went off the air so Ziggler is fine despite losing... again. On a semi-related note, he had the best line in that debate last week. "We're not running for office, you idiot! Do you even know... How do you work here?!" Can this man please be booked to win a match?

I am pleased with the ending of the Battle Royal.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 21, 2012, 09:24:20 AM
Barret dislocated his elbow...nothing major.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2012, 02:36:06 PM
John Cena was at a local motorcycle shop today (Parker Bros Choppers). Dig the CM Punk T-Shirt.

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Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 03, 2012, 04:44:15 PM
LOL, I would love that shirt.

Wrestling news since the last update:

Retired NBA star (and current analyst on Inside the NBA) Shaquille O'Neal has confirmed that he will be appearing at WrestleMania XXVIII, though is role is unknown. Shaq hosted the July 27, 2009 episode of WWE Raw and appeared in Hulk Hogan's corner at Bash at the Beach 1994 when Hogan defeated Ric Flair to win the WCW World Heavyweight Championship.

Lance Storm will wrestle Mike Bennett (with former WWE diva Maria in his corner) at Ring of Honor's March 30th show in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. This will be in first ROH event in 2 1/2 years, and it will be broadcast on iPPV (the first of two iPPVs from ROH that weekend, something they do every WrestleMania weekend).

ROH Tag Team Champions The Briscoe Brothers (Mark and Jay) will defend their titles against Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team (Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas) at ROH's March 31 iPPV in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. The match is contingent on the Briscoes retaining their titles against The Young Bucks (Matt and Nick) at ROH's 10th Anniversary Show at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York, New York on March 4.

Matches schedule for tomorrow nights ROH 10th Anniversary Show on iPPV: Davey Richards and Kyle O'Reilly vs. Eddie Edwards and Adam Cole, ROH Television Champion Jay Lethal vs. Tommaso Ciampa, ROH Tag Team Champions The Briscoe Brothers vs. The Young Bucks, Jimmy Jacobs vs. Kevin Steen, Amazing Red and T.J. Perkins vs. Michael Elgin and Roderick Strong, Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team vs. The All Night Xpress (Kenny King and Rhett Titus), Homicide vs. Mike Bennett

In a interview with the Minneapolis, Minnesota CBS affiliate (WCCO), Kofi Kingston talked about how he and Alex Riley went to Boston College at the same time, but ran in different circles.

Matches added to WrestleMania XXVIII: CM Punk will defend the WWE Championship against Chris Jericho, The Undertaker will take on Triple H in a Hell in a Cell match, and Cody Rhodes will defend the WWE Intercontinental Championship against The Big Show.

Dragon Gate USA and Combat Zone Wrestling announced they will co-host a show on March 29 at the German American Society Clubhouse in Hollywood, Florida. There will be 6-7 matches from DGUSA, and 2 death matches from CZW.

Former manager Jimmy Hart, who current works for WWE, was on the Busted Open satellite show and criticized the wardrobe of most TNA wrestlers (Hart worked for TNA for a couple of years), said he had a conversation with Hulk Hogan the other week about what he would change on TNA Impact. "I spoke to him three days ago," Hart said on the Busted Open satellite radio show. "He asked me: 'Can you do me a favor? Can you watch the TNA show?' ... I said, 'To me everybody wearing blue jeans and their t-shirts hanging out - this doesn’t look professional. If you’re a major company trying to get 50 or 60 bucks from your fans - 'If you dress like the audience, one day you’re gonna wind up sitting in the audience!' And, so that’s why I still wear the crazy flashy jackets and carry the megaphone because you wanna stand out, and think that’s what’s helped me be around 30 years in this crazy business doing music and doing this. I told Hulk, 'A.J. Styles and all these guys are phenomenal. And, Christopher Daniels, I love those kids. For him to go out in blue jeans, it’s just not professional."

Former WWE/WCW/ECW star Perry Saturn was backstage at the February 20 episode of Raw, as was AWA star Greg Gagne.

Reports say that the plan is to not reveal that The Undertaker is bald until WrestleMania (he shaved his hair off last August).

On February 21, ROH released a DVD chronicling CM Punk's 2005 "Summer of Punk". This was a storyline where Punk won the ROH Championship, signed a developmental contract with WWE (even signing the contract on the title belt itself), then threatened to go to WWE with the belt. His title defenses included Jay Lethal, Austin Aries, James Gibson (Jamie Noble in WWE), Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, and Colt Cabana.

On February 21, THQ released a iOS game called WWE WrestleFest. It is a 2D games based on the 1990s arcade game and includes ""current-day WWE Superstars, prominent WWE Legends, an extensive downloadable content program, Road to WrestleMania progression play, and multiplayer functionality." THQ is also working on an updated version for video game systems and will be released sometime in 2012.

TNA released the PPV poster for Lockdown 2012. It featured Robert Roode and James Storm, who will face each other for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship.

Ted DiBiase launched a new website, dibiasseposseparty.com, based on his DiBiasse Posse Party that he hosts before WWE events (basically a tailgate party where he interacts with fans).

As reported by WWE, TMZ, and others, WWE Champion CM Punk and Chris Brown engaged in a Twitter war regarding stuff like Brown beating up former girlfriend Rihanna.

WWE will be releasing a new ECW-themed DVD in June called Biggest Matches in ECW History.

WWE Hall of Famer Road Warrior Animal (brother of WWE executive/hell authority figure John Laurinaitis) says he was asked to appear in this years Royal Rumble, but had to turn it down since he was asked only a few days ahead of time.

Shane McMahon's company YOU On Demand announced another big deal, this time that they struck a deal with Disney to release their movies on-demand in China.

ROH has begun using a new production truck and cameras, which should improve the visual quality of their TV tapings, though they will still be in standard definition.

Steve Austin's new movie, The Package, will feature a love scene between Austin and his character's wife. He discussed it in a blog from the set, he is currently filming the movie in Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada.

During WWE's quarterly investment call, CEO/Chairman Vince McMahon states that they plan to launch WWE Network sometime this year. Originally it was supposed to launch in April, but it was pushed back.

WWE is considering bringing WWE NXT and WWE Superstars back to TV in the US, saying their is a great deal of demand from cable channels. He hinted that the shows would have format changes if it happened.

WWE announced a partnership with American Idol alumnus James Durbin as part of their "Be A Star" anti-bullying campaign. It began with Durbin appearing at a WWE/STAR event in La Mirada, California.

Variety reports that The Rock is in talks with MGM to star in the upcoming Hercules movie as the titular character, the movie is being directed by Brett Ratner.

An upcoming Will Ferrell political comedy called The Campaign (formerly known as Dog Fight and Rivals) will be released in August. It features an appearance by WWE superstar The Miz.

WWE Diva Kelly Kelly was nominated for a Nickelodeon Kids Choice Award for "Favorite Buttkicker". The other nominees are Tom Cruise, Taylor Lautner, and Jessica Alba. It will air on March 31.

Former WWE/WCW Diva Stacy Keibler appeared at the Academy Awards with boyfriend George Clooney.

Ted DiBiasse hinted in a blog that after teaming up with Justin Gabriel on WWE's tour of Central America that he is interested in getting back into tag team wrestling. He also said he developed a bad sunburn on the tour after spending 2 hours at a hotel pool reading Tim Tebow's book.

Dennis Rodman has been added to WrestleReunion's events in Miami, Florida on March 30 and 31. Rodman was involved in multiple nWo angles with WCW in the 1990s, even getting WCW publicity on ESPN when he teamed up with Hulk Hogan to take on Lex Luger and The Giant at Bash at the Beach 1997.

Indy wrestler John Levi Miller has filed a lawsuit in Indiana against fellow indy wrestler Clinton Woosley and promotion Coliseum Championship Wrestling. He claims that he suffered a career-ending injury via kick to the groin during a match, and is accusing the promotion of breach of contract for allowing a untrained wrestler to compete in a match. He is seeking unspecified amount of money for damages from surgery, potential future surgery, and other health related issues.

UFC fighter Chael Sonnen, who is from Portland, Oregon, was backstage at the February 27 episode of Raw.

TMZ revealed the cast list for the upcoming WWE Legends House reality show. The cast consists of : Jim Duggan, Jimmy Hart, Roddy Piper, Hillbilly Jim, Pat Patterson, Tony Atlas, Howard Finkel, and Gene Okerlund.

WWE announced that they broke merchandise and attendance records at Zayed Sports City during their tour of Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.

Christy Hemme tweeted that she suffered a wardrobe malfunction during the February 28 Impact Wrestling TV taping, saying ""Dear front row at IMPACT, I publicly apologize for my wardrobe malfunction. My battery pack was too heavy for the string that held it on!"

William Regal has been announced as the new General Manage of NXT. Regal was also GM of Raw for awhile, and lately has been a commentator on NXT.

Tony Shalhoub, best known for his starring role on the USA Network show Monk, has been added to the cast of Pain & Gain, the bodybuilding comedy movie staring The Rock, Mark Wahlberg, Ed Harris, Rob Corddry, and supermodel Bar Paly, which beings filming in April.

The Rock is featured on the new poster for G.I. Joe: Retaliation, which has him playing the character "Roadblock".

WWE has shown interested in ROH wrestlers Adam Cole and The Briscoe Brothers, but stopped short of offering them contracts after learning ROH had them under contract (ROH has said in the past that they are willing to let wrestlers out of their contracts if WWE or TNA offered them deals).

The poster for Extreme Rules 2012, will be held on April 29 at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont, Illinois, has been released and it features Kane.

James Roday (who is a wrestling fan), star of the USA Network show Psych, will guest star on the March 12 episode of WWE Raw. He originally was supposed to guest host Raw with Psych co-star Dule Hill in January 2010, but pulled out due to food poisoning.

WWE has opened a new office in Miami, Florida, it will focus on "achieving significant growth across all lines of WWE's business including Media Distribution, Live Event Touring, Consumer Products, and Digital within Latin American markets."

In a interview with the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, he acknowledge it was a mistake to change his hair in 2011 (he dyed it brown it and cut it), a move that drew criticism at the time since many said he now looked too generic. He also said that his dream opponent would be 1997-era Shawn Michaels.

TNA wrestler Jeff Jarrett has landed a role in the 2013 movie Spring Breakers. The movie stars James Franco, Selena Gomez, Vanessa Hudgens, and Ashley Benson and begins production in April. The movie's description is "Four college girls who land in jail after robbing a restaurant in order to fund their spring break vacation find themselves bailed out by a drug and arms dealer who wants them to do some dirty work".

In a filing with the SEC, WWE has reported that Triple H has signed a new "booking contract" with the company. It is effective from January 1, 2012 to March 31, 2016. Included in the terms is a downside guarantee of $1 million a year in 52 weekly installments (averaging $19,230.77 a week).

TNA announcer Taz will start hosting Strong Island Lacrosse Chat on The Lacrosse Radio Network every Monday at 2PM. It will cover Major League Lacrosse and college lacrosse, along with interviews.

WWE will be having a try-out for wrestlers, referees, managers, and ring announcers on July 13 in Waterloo, Iowa as part of the George Tragos/Lou Thesz Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame weekend. WWE agent/Hall of Famer Gerald Brisco will be their as scout. The format of the tryout will be each wrestler will compete in a 8 minute match (includes introductions, but without music) will a small crowd present. After everyone has competed, Brisco will speak to the group and individually to anyone that caught his eye.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 08, 2012, 12:45:56 AM
Sad news. It was reported last month by TMZ that Kharma had given birth to a baby boy on December 31. She came out today and said that her child actually died before she had given birth, but just told people she had given birth because she couldn't deal with telling them the truth right away.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 15, 2012, 05:34:02 PM
I'm just going to leave this here.

Title: Cena Vs. Rock
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 29, 2012, 07:21:45 AM
Cena Vs. Rock.

Which one will it be?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 29, 2012, 06:05:25 PM
I don't think there is a chance Rock will win. Rock wouldn't come back, in his hometown, at WrestleMania, to lose. There are rumors they may have this become a best of three series (Rock winning this Sunday, Cena winning at SummerSlam, then the rubber match at WrestleMania XXIX).

There ate also minor rumors that WWE may pull the trigger and turn Cena heel at WM, in which case I could see him cheating to win.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on March 29, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
Punk, Sheamus, don't care about the rest.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 30, 2012, 11:45:32 AM
Rock's gonna win...rumor is he may face Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania 30. CM Punk vs Stone Cold Steve Austin is all but confirmed too. John Cena will probably face someone like Daniel Bryan or Chris Jericho (if he's still around).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on March 30, 2012, 03:08:14 PM
I think what could happen is someone (Miz?) might interfere in the match and ruin it so that the issue is unresolved, and then they can drag it out into another PPV and make even more money.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 31, 2012, 11:26:47 PM
Brock Lesnar and Batista are both in Miami...rumor has it that Brock signed a 1 year deal today...
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2012, 07:50:36 PM
I demand that Sheamus and Daniel Bryan have a real match tonight after that abomination earlier. It'll be a real shame if the Divas match lasts longer. No one cares about that match.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 10:10:10 PM
Been watching uninterrupted on an incredible Sopcast stream since it started. Pretty great show besides the first match (I predicted it would be something like that, but it happened so fast I turned my back and then heard the bell). Got the laptop hooked up to the TV now for the Rock/Cena match, Cena's intro is pretty terrible...

Edit - and that's what 78,000+ boos sound like...
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 01, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
WWE gipped Sheamus=Bryan again. Last year their US Title match got bumped off the main card onto the pre-show, and this year the match was shorter than the entrances for them?

A little surprised at the divas match. The IC Title match had the winner I expected it to have, but not how I expected. Awesome HIAC match, both Undertaker and HHH gave it their all and it showed in one of the best matches of the year so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2012, 10:30:52 PM
Undertaker vs. HHH was the best match so far.

I'm still curious what the hell the point of Chris Jericho returning was. He's 0-3 in PPV matches since coming back in January. Losing the Rumble was kind of lame, but it's especially lame now since the Sheamus match was less than 20 seconds long. The storyline potential of the Royal Rumble and the road to Wrestlemania was wasted on a non-match. Who is writing these shows? Jericho's return has been completely botched. Daniel Bryan gets buried. AND they wasted Sheamus in the most anticipated PPV of the year. Maria Menounos had more ring time than Bryan and Sheamus combined. /facepalm
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 01, 2012, 10:44:05 PM
Jericho said in interviews that he wanted to come back to help put Punk over. He is not back full time, he is doing this because he has a break in-between tours with Fozzy (he said so much in a interview). He has an "out" with the Elimination Chamber since he was never actually defeated, and the Royal Rumble match is different than others.

I am annoyed that the WHC match was so short, I assume they will do a re-match at Extreme Rules (they usually do for the world title matches) but that doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 10:57:41 PM
Fuuuuuuuccckkkk yeeeeaaaaahhhh! They got that one right!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 11:12:07 PM
Tomorrow night's RAW should be pretty epic, probably Smackdown as well. A-Train (or Lord Tensai) should be returning...and possibly Brock Lesnar and Batista as well...should be good stuff.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 01, 2012, 11:16:19 PM
Batista is unlikely, he was in Miami for a benefits event to help a hospital. I am interested if the rumors of A-Train returning to WWE are true.

I don't like the result of Rock-Cena, unless the rumors of them doing a best of three series at SummerSlam and WrestleMania XXIX end up true
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 11:24:19 PM
Well one good thing is that Cena was at least doing some "heel-like" maneuvers, like crawling out of the ring and trying to do the People's Elbow. I doubt it will change anything...but I liked it. I will probably be wrong, but I think the outcome means that The Rock isn't going to just completely disappear for some time, though I'm sure his appearances will be sporadic.

Overall I was quite pleased with at least the outcomes of all of the matches, especially Kane vs Orton and Rock vs Cena. I think the Sheamus/Bryan match quickness was done so people will forget this feud...I'm expecting (if he actually returns) Brock Lesnar to attack Sheamus.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2012, 11:30:13 PM
Jericho said in interviews that he wanted to come back to help put Punk over.
Jericho can say whatever he wants in interviews but he still doesn't write the shows. And Punk is over and has been over for quite some time now. He didn't need Jericho to do that. I suppose my problem with their storyline is how poorly handled it has been. The WWE hypes up these End of the World videos then Jericho comes back and loses a bunch of times. He had no momentum and just looked weak going into Wrestlemania. I didn't think for a second that Jericho had a chance of winning. I would have been more surprised if Jericho got a clean win, mostly because I'm used to him losing cleanly or winning by cheating. Is this the end of their storyline? If so, it could have been so much more. I wish Jericho had some momentum going into the match (namely winning the Rumble) then lost which is what I suggested in this thread 2 months ago. If not, can they really drag this out more? We all know wrestling is scripted. What makes it interesting is not expecting a winner. I feel like it's the writers' responsibility to make sure that happens.

Anyway, I liked the Cena/Rock match. I was actually undecided over who would win. Despite being in Miami, Cena is Cena and I'm used to seeing him pull off victories out of no where. I'm kind of surprised he didn't win the match then get rewarded a title belt of some kind for the hell of it. Then, have Lesnar come out and have Cena pin him too. In all seriousness, it was a good match and they did a good job keeping me on my toes. I thought Cena might actually pull off the upset.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 11:34:48 PM
I just think it's so stupid whenever Cena is referred to as an underdog. He's fucking massive, and he's a 12-time world champion, and his win-loss record is probably up there with Hulk Hogan, Curt Hennig, etc. In fact, I can only think of 13 times when he has lost - each time he has lost the title, and tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 01, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
By put over, I mean to help him by defeating an established star. Jericho is one of the most recognizable names from the Attitude era and he and WWE had to work hard to actually gets fans to boo him.

I think many people saw Punk-Jericho a toss-up, with it being possible that Punk's rage would cost him the match, leading to Punk winning the title back at Extreme Rules (which will be in the Chicago area). I am glad Punk won though.

BTW, Cena is now 63-32-1 on PPV. He is the 4th longest reigning WWE Champion of all time with 10 reigns for 1,059 days (unlikely to ever get higher than 4th since 3rd place is Bob Backlund at 2,091 days).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 11:50:36 PM
Actually I forgot I saw Cena lose (live in person!) at WM25 (triple threat with HHH and RKO). There was a period when I actually stopped wrestling, when Goldberg was in WWE, Cena was new (and a heel, I believe), so I probably missed most of his PPV losses.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 01, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
By put over, I mean to help him by defeating an established star. Jericho is one of the most recognizable names from the Attitude era and he and WWE had to work hard to actually gets fans to boo him.
Didn't he beat Cena twice cleanly last year? And aren't there rumors of Austin coming back for a match against Punk? If that's the case, I still don't get it. You really can't get much bigger than a win against Austin though maybe the WWE just can't resist giving Austin the win.
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I think many people saw Punk-Jericho a toss-up, with it being possible that Punk's rage would cost him the match, leading to Punk winning the title back at Extreme Rules (which will be in the Chicago area). I am glad Punk won though.
I like Punk and I don't mind him winning but I think it would have meant more if Jericho looked stronger. The writers failed in building drama. That pre-match stipulation could and should have been established sooner. Jericho should have been playing these mind games far sooner than the last 2 weeks. With the way the writers have handled their feud so far, I felt like it would have made more sense for Jericho to win tonight then have Punk regain the title at a later date where the feud is taken to greater heights. I wasn't a fan of the build up. It took too long to really get going.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 01, 2012, 11:59:22 PM
I agree Jericho should have had more wins going in, but it was a great match. Jericho had the upper hand most of the time, but I liked the ending.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 12:03:42 AM
Depends on how you define "cleanly". At Money in the Bank, Cena was distracted by stopping Vince McMahon and John Laurnitis from ringing the bell and screwing Punk.

Punk and Austin have been teasing a WrestleMania match on Twitter. I think Punk beating Austin would help boost him even more.

I think the writers hoped that Jericho wanting to prove he was better would be enough, then saw it wasn't and decided to change gears by having Jericho go after Punk's family. I think they have made Jericho look fine in matches and this was more psychological since Jericho got under Punk's skin more than anyone else ever has.

I agree with Brandogg, the last 5 minutes of the match was great. ESPECIALLY the ending.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 12:12:55 AM
Jericho catching the Hurricanranna (or Frankensteiner) and turning it into the Walls of Jericho was pretty awesome.

On a side note though, the best counter I've ever seen was HBK giving Shelton Benjamin Sweet Chin Music after he leaped across the entire ring.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 12:16:23 AM
I don't know, I like Randy Orton hitting the RKO on Evan Bourne after a Air Bourne attempt.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 12:20:47 AM
Yeah that was awesome too.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 12:23:00 AM
Yeah, I liked the match. I just never expected Jericho to win which is where I think the feud faltered. I wonder where Jericho goes fom here. His feud with Punk is basically over and the whole Best in the World/End of the World thing was pretty much the reasoning behind his return. Are they going to try to fudge it and have him continue to go after Punk? That's lame AND lazy.

Punk should have beaten Triple H last year (without that stipulation of Triple H quitting) but Triple H puts talent over about as often... Almost never.

And that HBK/Shelton Benjamin match was my favorite Raw match ever. That counter was a-mazing. I need to look up that Orton/Bourne match.
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Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 12:27:21 AM
Punk should have beaten Triple H last year (without that stipulation of Triple H quitting) but Triple H puts talent over about as often... Almost never.

Kevin Nash gave a good interview as to why that feud happened anyways (short answer is that WWE doctors found that the blood thinner meds Nash takes to make sure he doesn't have a heart attack like his dad did at 38 prevented him from being medically cleared in time). Triple H does put over people a lot actually. Remember when he cleanly lost to Cena at WrestleMania? Or how Batista pretty much beat him in every match? Benoit also cleanly beat him on consecutive matches. I go add more examples too.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 12:37:35 AM
That's all well and good but I wasn't talking anout Nash. Punk should have beat Triplr H, especially if the WWE was trying to put Punk over on established talent. Triple H was one of the biggest stars of the Attitude era. I'm not going to list all of the people Triple H has bulldozed on his way to his 435 title reigns. He apparently has final say on his win/loss record. Unless it's a big time wrestler (like Undertaker), you can expect Triple H to win.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 12:41:23 AM
You can say that about any top star. How was Rock winning helpful to anyone but him? Triple H's win-loss record, especially on PPV, is not that great actually. He has won about 54% of his PPV matches.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 12:43:34 AM
I didn't say it was so that point is moot. The Rock came back to shill his movie career. I think everyone knew that.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 12:47:20 AM
The significance of Rock's win will probably be revealed tomorrow. It leads to many more routes for Cena to go now than if he had won, too.

Will Rock brag about how he has beaten everyone there is to beat at WrestleMania, only to have Brock Lesnar interrupt him...or Undertaker?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 12:51:04 AM
I really hope they don't try to set up The Rock vs. The Undertaker. I'm still holding out for Sting vs. Undertaker next year and I recently read that Sting is signed with TNA until the end of 2012 so there's some hope.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 12:54:57 AM
Not likely, Sting signed another 1 year deal with TNA. So he wouldn't be free until like late February 2013 (which is cutting it close for WM). Would Undertaker need to do it though? 20-0 is pretty symbolic, and no one will ever come close to it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 01:01:19 AM
Didn't they set up Undertaker vs. Triple H last year in February?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 01:06:27 AM
Yes. So it would be possible, but it would be extremely close and not have much time to promote it. You also have to wonder if Sting would want his first (and possibly only) WrestleMania match to be losing to Undertaker?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 01:12:57 AM
It's a dream match so I wouldn't put it past either. WWE would have anywhere from 5-8 weeks to promote it but it's over a decade in the making so I don't know how much prep time is needed. And even if they needed more time, is TNA really an issue? TNA totally let the WWE walk all over them with Flair appearing at the Hall of Fame this year. They could have legally blocked that. Maybe they wanted to keep Flair happy but with all of his debts and WWE only asking for a 1-2 night appearance, Flair needs TNA more than TNA needs Flair. They held all of the cards and still folded. The only person really holding this back is Sting. Apparently, he was close to signing last year.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 01:19:56 AM
Flair only appeared because TNA let him. We don't know the details, maybe WWE paid TNA for it. At the very least, TNA might get some free publicity since casual fans might search for where Flair has been at find TNA.

It's no secret Flair is very unhappy in TNA and wants out. He seemed to confirm it even more by saying at the HOF ceremony ""I'd like to! Don't question me about that!" (when fans chanted "Please come back") and talking about how he still watches WWE. Expect him to re-sign with WWE as soon as his TNA contract expires.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 01:45:49 AM
Obviously, TNA let Flair. My point was that they could have told WWE to shove it but Dixie Carter just bent over and took it. I'm sure they're aware of Flair's feelings toward the company and if he's unhappy and bent on leaving, they could have told him to finish his contract then GTFO. That said, would they really not release Sting from his contract early if he asked? Or if the WWE paid them? Maybe, maybe not. The circumstances would be different from Flair's but I was just pointing out that TNA officials seem like total pushovers.

And does WWE even want Flair back? According to Flair, he sat at home for 6 months waiting for a call after his contract expired before signing with Ring of Honor.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 01:50:52 AM
Flair wanted to wrestle, that was part of it. I am sure WWE would like to have him sign a Legends Contract.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 08:28:16 AM
Flair doesn't wrestle because he wants to, he wrestles because he has to (he is very much in debt). Also Sting didn't actually sign a new contract, that was part of a TNA storyline where he's no longer in charge and is now a wrestler again. His contract is up at the end of the year. I'd like to see Sting in WWE just to say that it happened, but I've never been a real big fan of his.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 02, 2012, 09:30:26 AM
I couldn't find the article i read stating that Sting was signed until the "end of the year" (Bound For Glory is in October so i guess that still qualifies) but i just read that Sting's contract extension including Dixie Carter's tweet was for storyline purposes. I've never been a big Sting fan either but as a wrestling fan (even an extremely casual one these days) I definitely want to see Sting vs. Undertaker.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 09:54:52 PM
Well, Lord Tensai made his debut tonight (it was indeed A-Train, and Michael Cole even mentioned that he was a former WWE superstar who went to Japan and became a international star before returning to WWE as "Lord Tensai"). He brutalized his opponent, Alex Riley, so bad that the ref stopped the match.

Also, The Rock said he is returning to WWE and vowed to win the WWE Championship again (he hasn't held the title since he lost the Undisputed WWE Championship to Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam 2002). Rock even made a joke about the Canadian Football League (he mentioned how he was cut from the CFL in 1995, and told the crowd how much you have to suck to get cut from the CFL).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 02, 2012, 10:29:59 PM
Glad to see Jericho isn't gone, though it sucked seeing the "whiskey bottle" explode before he even let go of it. Cool segment though, and surprised to see them give Mark Henry the win, even if it was a count out.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 10:52:48 PM
It helped get Mark Henry back to the monster heel status he had before his injury, while protecting Punk at the same time.

I saw a comment on a wrestling site I visit where someone mentioned that the Punk-Jericho thing was similar to a feud between Jerry Lawler and Jake Roberts in 1996. Roberts was a recovering alcoholic (we all know he would later let his demons catch up to him again) and they did a angle where Lawler poured whiskey down Roberts' throat and then bashed him with the bottle.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 02, 2012, 11:11:27 PM
Guess the rumors of Lesnar returning are true, he just came out to confront John Cena. His first WWE appearance since his awful match against Goldberg at WrestleMania XX.

Big way to make a return. He offered to shake Cena's hand, then picked him up and hit the F-5 (then kicked Cena's hat out of the ring to add insult, LOL).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 03, 2012, 02:40:20 AM
Looks like I missed an awesome Raw tonight. I'm watching clips on youtube now and I read the show summary.

- The Rock says he's going to become WWE Champion again. Sucks for Punk... I suppose he had to lose the strap eventually though a win over The Rock would be big. Considering the WWE spent the better part of the last year setting up The Rock to beat their current top guy after a, what, 7 year absence, it's really not looking good for Punk and his title reign.
- Speaking of Punk, he loses his match (at least he kept the title) then gets attacked by Jericho. Rough night. Didn't he beat Jericho last night? That storyline is over. It started out with the whole Best in the World thing then they inexplicably shifted gears to Punk's straightedge lifestyle. I kind of wish this feud would just go away because it's silly now. Let Punk and Jericho go off and do something else for a couple months then try to revisit it and do it correctly. Jericho looks almost as bad as Dolph Ziggler right now. It's hard to take these guys seriously as viable competitors when they just keep losing all the time. It would be nice if Punk was involved in the top storyline but that seems to be reserved for Cena and Lesnar.
- I still feel like the WWE is wasting Dolph Ziggler but maybe he's still paying his dues until he gets promoted to main event status. He technically won last night but he didn't really do anything. Then, tonight he lost. I keep picking the wrong guys to root for.
- Lord Tensai drew some decent heat tonight. I thought the ref ended the match a bit early. Looks like they're trying to build him up as an unstoppable force which the WWE already has 2 of: Mark Henry and Kane.
- I was never a huge Lesnar fan (especially with the super-lame way he left) but it's nice to see him back. The WWE could use some big names. The list of major superstars was looking a bit thin last year with some injuries and Edge retiring though I felt that CM Punk finally got a real shot because the WWE needed someone to push. With Jericho sticking around, Undertaker liking not taking an entire year off and now Lesnar coming back, things should get interesting. I just hope they keep pushing the younger guys, namely Ziggler.
- We're seeing a lot of returns from past superstars. Seems like they're planting the seeds for an eventual Attitude Era vs. PG Era showdown which reminds me of WCW's Millionaire's Club vs. New Blood. That wasn't a bad idea; WCW was just beyond saving at that point. If the WWE goes down this route, I hope they handle it better than the Invasion angle. Man, that had so much potential. There are still a couple of guys I'd like to see come back, namely Rob Van Dam but he's still in TNA.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 03, 2012, 09:20:28 PM
WWE Hall of Famer Chief Jay Strongbow passed away today, he was 83.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 03, 2012, 09:50:08 PM
When Johnny Ace was telling CM Punk that he was going to get hit by a natural disaster, I was fully expecting Lesnar to come out and hit the F5. I really hope this isn't setting up for WrestleMania though, that's too much build up. Lesnar should just plow through everyone on the roster, I'd like to see him be the one to face Undertaker next year, even if he loses. They did have that "confrontation" a while back at the UFC PPV after all.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 03, 2012, 09:59:10 PM
It's being reported that Lesnar's contract is for 1 year (leading up to WrestleMania XXIX). He will be required to make a minimum of 2 appearances a month in 2012 (he would have to agree to appear more often).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 03, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Well even if he just attacked a different main even guy each week or every other week and then destroyed them at the PPVs it would be awesome. They need to get him to do more appearances though, even if they put him on a TV-only (and PPV) deal, he'd still be off 5-6 days a week, make a ton of money, and please all of the home viewers. They really need to be able to build him up, since he got pummeled in his last two UFC fights.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 04, 2012, 09:43:43 PM
So, Overeem basically just pissed hot for a steroid test...taints his win over Brock Lesnar, which led him to retire.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 04, 2012, 09:47:31 PM
It was for a recent drug test though. Basically we won't know if it's a false positive until they test the second sample he gave.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 04, 2012, 10:45:16 PM
He skirted a bunch of tests last year though, essentially fleeing the country when he was supposed to be getting tested. The dude has the face of a steroid user.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 16, 2012, 10:05:54 PM
/facepalm

Does the WWE really think anyone even remotely believes Jericho has a chance of beating CM Punk for the title in Chicago of all places in a match called a Chicago Street Fight? This is on top of Jericho promising to make Punk drink alcohol which goes against one of the main facets of Punk's persona. This is a waste of everyone's time. I'd love to be wrong because that would make things interesting. It just seems to be heading in a very obvious path. I wish the WWE would move on from this feud and have them wrestle other superstars so the outcome wouldn't be so predictable. I suppose Mark Henry could come out to lay Punk out to set up a feud with Punk the writers seem to be pushing the past couple of weeks and that would totally be how Jericho wins a major title but I still don't see it happening. Punk is going to win that match even if they set up a storyline with Henry. Whatever they do, I hope they don't drag out Jericho vs. Punk for another month. Try the feud again at a later date. It has the potential to be as awesome as Jericho vs. HBK was a few years ago. I just think they need a reboot because their storyline has been handled pretty poorly so far.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2012, 12:22:24 AM
I'm sure if he is "made to drink alcohol" it would just be water or some other non-alcoholic liquid.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 17, 2012, 06:31:44 AM
Obviously. I'm saying that it's not even going to get to that point because that sets Punk back a lot. The whole straight edge thing is a big part of Punk's character and he's being positioned as one of the company's top guys. Rightfully so because Punk is awesome but it's also the reason why he's not going to lose. The way the writers set up the feud makes it pretty obvious that Punk comes out the victor. My issue isn't with who wins or loses because wrestling is staged. However, I like watching matches not expecting a winner. That's what makes wrestling interesting to me. I mean, they could throw a swerve but in this particular case, I doubt it.

Edit: Grammar
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2012, 07:17:56 AM
Well, let's not forget a few years ago when Cena was forced to turn heel and join the Nexus. Did that set his character back a lot? He bounced back from that, and now no one even talks about or remember that.

It wasn't even that long ago that CM Punk was a heel. Seems like these characters flip flop regularly between heel and face, and I guess the attention span of viewers is very short because they go along with it. I mean, look what they did just recently with Daniel Bryan. It was only like a month or two ago Michael Cole was calling him a "goof" and saying he sucks and whatnot, and now he's praising him overnight. Its like they turn heel or face with the flip of a switch and there's no logical gradual build up to it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 17, 2012, 08:00:19 AM
Wait, what? This isn't about turning heel. It's about affecting Punk's persona, his character. Think along the lines of what the Katie Vick storyline or mask removal did to Kane. This is definitely not on the same degree (not sure WWE could curb stomp anyone worse than they did with Kane years ago) but something like that really affects a wrestler's character. Being straight edge is so ingrained in Punk's persona that having him kayfabe drink cheapens his character and for what? It's most likely not going to happen to a top guy like Punk and if it does, the WWE is even more out of touch than previously thought. The only way to have avoided ether kicking Punk's character to the curb or pushing a predictable storyline is to have just not attempted it in the first place. Since it's too late to go back, I want to see Punk win then they move on. It's not worth damaging Punk's credibility in any way.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 17, 2012, 08:43:09 AM
Yeah, I read in a wrestling magazine from years ago some interview with Rey Mysterio where he was made to take his mask off as part of losing some match or something, and this was back before he had ever taken his mask off and he was upset about it because the mask meant a lot to him and they made him do that like it was nothing.

It sucks what the WWE does with its talent. That's why a lot of them like Gail Kim and others have left to places where they are better appreciated for their talents.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 17, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
Cena didn't turn heel when he "joined" Nexus anyway.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 17, 2012, 09:13:33 PM
Yeah, I read in a wrestling magazine from years ago some interview with Rey Mysterio where he was made to take his mask off as part of losing some match or something, and this was back before he had ever taken his mask off and he was upset about it because the mask meant a lot to him and they made him do that like it was nothing.

It sucks what the WWE does with its talent. That's why a lot of them like Gail Kim and others have left to places where they are better appreciated for their talents.

To be fair, it was WCW who made Mysterio remove his mask (and he stayed like that for over a year before WCW was sold). WWE let him put it back on.

WWE actually treats their wrestlers very well by wrestling standards. Gail Kim left because she felt like she wasn't being used much (which is true). The most common reason wrestlers who leave WWE give is that they get tired of the schedule (being on the road about 5 days a week). Many who went to TNA though said they quickly got over the charm of TNA and wanted out (Christian being a good example, he said he loved TNA for about 6 months. And it's no secret Ric Flair is unhappy and wants to go back to WWE).

Chozo, that is common with wrestling. Announcers changing their opinions based on whether they are heels or faces. To be fair though, Daniel Bryan had been heel for about a month or two before Michael Cole started saying good things about him.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on April 18, 2012, 12:31:12 AM
Not all of the talent leaves voluntarily, though. They got rid of a lot of talent by firing them (they call it "releasing" them). Even people who have been with the company for many years are "released". Not that long ago they got rid of Kozlov and he has been with the company since forever. I guess its probably just as well because they never did much with his character anyway. They could have, but they didn't.

I realize there is only so much air time, but it really doesn't help when there is a small select group of wrestlers like Cena who hog all the limelight and prevent the new comers from ever getting a chance to be established.

Oh, and another good example is Mark Henry. He has been with the company since the Clinton administration, but only recently did they give him his due. I don't know if he's really the world's strongest man, but he really is a beast and he deserved to kick some ass. It isn't right that it took 15 years for that to happen, though.

And then what about Christian? Here's another great wrestler who was never champion until recently. Now he's a "two time" champion, but those two times happened just a short time apart and they were both very, very brief. Meanwhile Randy Orton gets his thing for the umpteenth time.

Meanwhile, there are wrestlers like Alberto Del Rio who show up out of nowhere and then a few months later they are WWE champion.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 18, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
Mark Henry was given push after push after push (remember when he first appeared as monster heel against Kurt Angle? Then when he attacked Undertaker, which resulted in Edge cashing in MITB?), the fans just never bought into him until his big push last year. So WWE tried, but it just took a long time for him to get over as a credible threat.

BTW, Henry started using the strongest man nickname after he won the first Arnold Strongman Classic back in 2002.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 18, 2012, 06:14:25 PM
Releasing and firing aren't the same thing. Wrestlers ask for their release, when they get fired, they "come to terms."
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 18, 2012, 06:18:55 PM
They can be used together. Anyone fired is technically released (since they are under contract).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on May 20, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
Punk vs. Bryan was excellent. Better than both Punk vs. Jericho matches. I didn't like the ending. I don't like Punk with the title. He's best when he's the underdog and defying authority. Not really surprised that Daniel Bryan lost. Along with Ziggler, Bryan just keeps losing. I wonder who's eventually going to beat Punk. Lesnar? The Rock? Ehh... I would have rather seen Jericho or (better yet) Bryan take the title. He could use the push. He's totally over with fans. He's a heel and people are still cheering him. Yes!

Also, Ryback is bootleg Goldberg.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2012, 05:13:35 PM
I think its funny how hypocritical the WWE and John Cena are for their anti-bullying campaign, yet what happened during the PPV in the match between Cena and Laurinitis was nothing short of bullying.

It was also pretty sad how Laurinitis didn't put up much of a fight. I knew he wasn't going to win without interference, but he was a wrestler at one time in his own right and he should have been able to do some of his old moves. I was extremely disappointed, and the match as I said was one sided and basically bullying which is what Cena and the WWE supposedly are against, yet they frequently have bullying in their storylines. I guess bullying is okay when its the "good guys" doing it...

Anyway, its obvious Lauiriniatis is out of shape and hasn't worked out in quite some time. That's probably he choose to wear that jogging suit as his attire... to hide his lack of musculature. That's a shame for him to be like this now when he was such a great wrestler in the past.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on May 24, 2012, 05:50:56 PM
That was supposed to be Laurinaitis getting his comeuppance. He has been the Mr. McMahon figure for roughly the last 7 months or so. If anything, Johnny Ace was portrayed as the bully for months, attempting to screw over faces left and right (mostly Punk and Cena). Should Cena have taken the high road and just beat Laurinaitis right away? Perhaps but that's not how it's set-up. Lauranaitis was developed as a jerk so people wouldn't feel sorry for him. That's what makes him the heel. The reversal from position of power to being powerless is WWE trying to build up drama. It's similar to when say anyone wails on Hogan then he "hulks up" and his opponent acts all afraid.

The most disappointing thing about that "match" was that they wasted the last 20 minutes of a PPV just to turn Big Show heel. The audience got a fantastic match with Punk vs. Bryan but man, that main event was a major cop out. That's what you expect out of Raw or Smackdown but a PPV shouldn't have storyline "matches" with non-endings.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 24, 2012, 06:29:24 PM
The Big Show thing was all too predictable, but it will be nice to see Big Show beat John Cena (cleanly) if they go that route. I understand it's all fake, but if they want to pull the wool over the WWE Universe's eyes...Big Show should basically be undefeated.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2012, 07:35:43 PM
Big Show usually is treated like that when he is a heel, it gets boring after awhile. At least fans care though, unlike Crimson and his "undefeated" streak (they get away with it by hinging on the fact that he wasn't pinned or submitted, but he did lose matches) and fans couldn't care less.

Yes John Laurinaitis used to be a wrestler, but he hasn't wrestled in about 18 years. And after what he did to Cena, it would be fine to me for his character to do that. It's not really bullying since it happened in a match.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 24, 2012, 08:11:37 PM
The Big Show thing was all too predictable, but it will be nice to see Big Show beat John Cena (cleanly) if they go that route. I understand it's all fake, but if they want to pull the wool over the WWE Universe's eyes...Big Show should basically be undefeated.

To be honest I thought he had already turned heel when he plowed into AJ and changed his attire to that new camo look.

I didn't like how they tried to make Daniel Bryan a heel. The way they did it didn't feel natural. Its the same as when they made Christian a heel last year. These two are the sorts of wrestlers that should never be heels.

Anyway, give him a few weeks or months and he will be back to a face again. It won't last... it never does.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 24, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
It felt natural to me, and they did it slowly. He won the title, and it started making him feel cocky. They made it clear Big Show accidentally speared AJ (and that it was Bryan's fault). Christian came has been heel for the majority of his WWE career actually. I think they did a good job with it, he became frustrated after losing his title so quickly.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on May 26, 2012, 09:50:29 AM
I thought the Big Show's explanation for his actions during the PPV last night on Smackdown were pretty sensible, but the crowd still booed him anyway. Maybe he hasn't really turned heel anyway, because while he did attack the staff and the wrestlers for not coming to his aid, he didn't bash the fans like heels usually do when they turn.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 24, 2012, 12:20:55 AM
So CM Punk turned heel again tonight.... I knew it was just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 24, 2012, 01:53:20 AM
Here's my predictions for what will happen now - Big Show/Cena feud for a while, CM Punk keeps the title through Royal Rumble. Rock faces Punk at RR, and wins the title. Cena wins the Royal Rumble. Rock vs Cena 2 at WrestleMania 30, Cena wins.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 24, 2012, 06:59:07 AM
If Punk holds onto the title until RR, he would have the 8th longest reign in WWE history (and longer than anyone since Hogan's first reign from 1984-1988). At least if Punk does make the full heel turn, their is a storyline reason in tat he could say he was sick of always being overshadowed despite being WWE Champion (and putting on the best match of the night so often, like at Money in the Bank).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on July 24, 2012, 10:51:29 PM
So is the Undertaker back on the roster now, or was his appearance just a one time thing for the 1000th episode?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2012, 06:56:20 AM
He seemed to have trouble moving around, I don't see him ever being full time again. Expect just WrestleMania and the occasional special appearance like tonight.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on July 25, 2012, 12:48:05 PM
I meant WM29 in my last post.

I've been bored with the Undertaker for years. He couldn't even get his hood off on RAW...he's fucking old. He should just retire now, with dignity.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on July 25, 2012, 03:59:54 PM
At this stage in his career, Undertaker is a novelty act that WWE will use a few times a year (like how Andre the GIant was at the end of his career). He was great at WrestleMania.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 10:35:59 AM
So, did you guys see that Hollywood Hulk Hogan is back in action? Whatchu gunna do brother?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on August 29, 2012, 06:08:42 PM
I absolutely love Impact Wrestling, but man, I mute the tv whenever a Hogan comes on screen. Eck.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on August 29, 2012, 06:12:38 PM
Odds on (x) being the head of Aces/Eights:
2-1: Jeff Jarrett
3-1: Eric Bischoff
5-1: Samoa Joe
7-1: Shaymin
10-1: Sting
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on August 29, 2012, 06:21:42 PM
Oh, it's totally Jeff Jarrett. But part of me really wants IW to come out of left field and have the leader be Joey Ryan.

Haha. That'd be complete total trolling of wrestling fans.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
It would be funny if the leader was Joseph Park :P
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on August 29, 2012, 06:39:31 PM
Hah... I could get behind that idea, too. :P
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 06:45:46 PM
Seriously, I noticed one of the main Aces & Eights guys looked like a really big dude, and I was thinking it could be Abyss. You can't prove it obviously because of the mask, but he is about the same size as Abyss, so it would make sense. It would also help explain why Aces and Eights has it in for Bully Ray, because of how he "left Abyss for dead".
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 07:44:18 PM
Keep in mind that whoever is under the masks right now doesn't mean they will be one of the revealed members.

I think Jeff Jarrett would be too obvious a choice. I have hear valid arguments for everyone from Jarrett to Bischoff to Angle to even Dixie Carter. I hope TNA doesn't drop the ball again.

Oh, remember when Hulk Hogan said the TV Championship would be defended EVERY week? That lasted about a month?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 08:29:41 PM
I think Bobby Roode might join their group, even though he isn't a original member. What else can he do at this point? He's not a contender for the title, and he's a heel, so what other option does he have? Plus on last week's Impact when the TNA roster was battling aces and eights, Roode was noticeably absent.

Oh, remember when Hulk Hogan said the TV Championship would be defended EVERY week? That lasted about a month?

To be fair, Hulk has been out of action for awhile, but you do have a good point. Its just like how the X-Division is supposed to have a weight limit of 225 pounds or something like that, but during a PPV awhile back they let Samoa Joe challenge AA for the title, even though Joe obviously exceeds that weight limit. That kinda made a mockery of that supposed rule.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 08:33:39 PM
Originally the X Division had no weight limits, they didn't create that concept until this year. The motto of the division used to be "It's not about weight limits, it's about no limits". I guess TNA decided to add the weight limit since it has basically just become their version of the cruiserweight championship.

Talking about the TV Championship made me remember other experiments TNA started and abandoned, like the TNA Top 10 Rankings.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 29, 2012, 08:43:30 PM
Originally the X Division had no weight limits, they didn't create that concept until this year.

I know. The match I'm talking about between Joe and Aries only happened like a month or two ago, after that rule was implemented. If it was a non-title match that would have been fine, but Hulk made it a title match, so (theoretically at least) Joe would have been able to win that title, even though he weighs probably 100 pounds more than the limit.

Then again, I guess it would be no worse than how Eric Young was able to win the tag team knockouts title.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 29, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
TNA is horrible.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
Actually, TNA for the most part has been pretty good the last 6 months. Sometimes there are lame episodes, but they have stepped up quite a bit.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on August 29, 2012, 09:53:50 PM
I've been more excited for Impact than Raw the last few months. Of course, that's because Raw's gone downhill ever since USA made them go to 3 hours.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 29, 2012, 10:26:29 PM
That started one month ago though.

And TNA is horrible. As long as they have any association with Hulk Hogan, they will be horrible.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 10:36:41 PM
Have you actually watched TNA? First, he has not appeared often lately due to a real life surgery. Even when he did appear, it wasn't usually for much time. The matches and storylines are mostly really good. Please explain why you think having Hogan automatically makes them terrible, as it makes no sense.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 29, 2012, 10:46:48 PM
Current TNA Television Champion Devon announced on Twitter tonight that he has left the company (which he has been with since 2005): http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_64720.shtml

I wonder how TNA will handle the title situation?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 06:24:59 AM
TNA is horrible.

At least TNA isn't limited by a PG rating. They have the freedom to cater more towards mature viewers.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 08:32:32 AM
Oh god, not another person thinking the PG rating is stifiling. You realize that for about 50 of the company's 60 year history, it was PG rated? Bleeding does not make it better (it still happens, but not all the time and that makes it more special), neither does cursing every single sentence, etc. To me, this stupid argument is like saying a R rated movie is automatically better than a PG rated movie. Good TV shows are good regardless of their rating.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 30, 2012, 10:21:28 AM
How could it be rated TV PG for 50 years when the ratings system did not exist until the 90s? The PG ratings has definitely made the product worse - I can't say that it's become unwatchable, but it has definitely hurt the product - and the whole reason they went PG is to try and get Linda McMahon into the US Senate.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 12:44:06 PM
It was also what killed WCW. Ted Turner let Bischoff do whatever he wanted with the show, but then when the board of directors took over they forced Biscoff to make it more family friendly, and as a result the ratings plummeted. Pro Wrestling is inherently violent, so it isn't very compatible with a PG rating. With other sports and types of programming it can work, but not with this.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on August 30, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
Current TNA Television Champion Devon announced on Twitter tonight that he has left the company (which he has been with since 2005): http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/TNA_News_1/article_64720.shtml

I wonder how TNA will handle the title situation?
I'm actually intrigued by this, too. Hopefully this matter will be cleared up live tonight on Impact. Hold a tournament? Have the four lowest ranked BFG series guys via for the title? That could be an interesting twist. I'd love to see gold around Robbie E's waist. Dude's a great wrestler - even if his character isn't a serious one. I love his overselling. :P

But anyway, I'm actually relieved to see Devon is gone. I just hope Bully Ray doesn't follow suit - since those two are close and all. Bully's the best "bad guy" in the business currently. I'd hate to see him go. :/
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 12:51:34 PM
I'd love to see gold around Robbie E's waist.

Who do you think had it before Devon got it? ;)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on August 30, 2012, 01:01:03 PM
Of course! I'd love to see it return. Aaaaaaaand actually have him defend it every week like it's supposed to be defended. I'd like to see him feud with Doug Williams over the title, but it looks like Mr. Britain is being delegated to training OVW guys now. :(

I love me some Chaos Theory Suplex.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 04:52:03 PM
How could it be rated TV PG for 50 years when the ratings system did not exist until the 90s? The PG ratings has definitely made the product worse - I can't say that it's become unwatchable, but it has definitely hurt the product - and the whole reason they went PG is to try and get Linda McMahon into the US Senate.

The product was the same before the ratings system. The whole rock 'n' wrestling connection (which was hugely popular) was very family friendly. The PG rating hasn't hurt it. Hell, the first six months of the year was great. All the PG rating means is less cursing and less blood, the actual wrestling is the same.

WCW suffered from multiple problems, and content was not one of them. WCW had already started going downhill before Time Warner started restricting them.

Devon has actually improved this year, and really toned down. Still, I don't thin he should be the TV Champion. I will agree Bully Ray is probably the best heel in TNA. He didn't make it a secret he's considering leaving though (hell, earlier this summer he tweeted that he was backstage at WWE Raw. Some speculate he did this because he is in contract negotiations with TNA).

As for Douglas Williams, maybe he wants to move away from full time wrestling? He could do a great job teaching wrestlers to improve their skills in OVW.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 05:27:55 PM
All the PG rating means is less cursing and less blood, the actual wrestling is the same.

It effects the theme of the storylines as well. Remember when Kane impregnated Lita and then he fell on her and it resulted in her having a miscarriage? Or when Boss Man kidnapped Al Snow's dog and tricked him into eating it? Storylines like that are no longer possible with a PG rating.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 05:34:51 PM
Do you remember that Big Boss Man/Al Snow angle? It was all terrible, ESPECIALLY the "Kennel from Hell" match they had (the dogs spent the whole match basically pooping and pissing on the mat around the cage). And it was Snitsky who caused the miscarriage (in his first WWE match). It's not like WWE ignores that stuff, remember a few weeks ago when we got to see the hand that Mae Young gave birth to in the late 90s?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
All the PG rating means is less cursing and less blood, the actual wrestling is the same.

It effects the theme of the storylines as well. Remember when Kane impregnated Lita and then he fell on her and it resulted in her having a miscarriage? Or when Boss Man kidnapped Al Snow's dog and tricked him into eating it? Storylines like that are no longer possible with a PG rating.
Please tell me you are kidding here and you don't think those are actually good storylines.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 05:42:15 PM
Do you remember that Big Boss Man/Al Snow angle? It was all terrible, ESPECIALLY the "Kennel from Hell" match they had (the dogs spent the whole match basically pooping and pissing on the mat around the cage). And it was Snitsky who caused the miscarriage (in his first WWE match). It's not like WWE ignores that stuff, remember a few weeks ago when we got to see the hand that Mae Young gave birth to in the late 90s?
Sexual Chocolate's baby.  Yeah, that was the worst.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
I'm not suggesting those were great storylines. I was just using those as examples of the sort of storylines which are no longer possible under the PG rating. And even if they weren't great storylines per se, the fact people are able to remember them all these years later must surely count for something. But the bottom line is the writers are restricted in the topics they can cover now. There's more to the PG rating than just a ban on cursing and juicing. That's the point I was trying to make when citing those examples.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 07:16:25 PM
Who remembers those though besides hardcore fans? And stuff like the pregnancy one could happen, but pregnancy angles usually suck. Cursing and bleeding aren't banned, just used more rarely (which actually makes them more effective when they happen).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 07:28:23 PM
Are you sure juicing is still allowed? I know there is still bleeding in the WWE, but I was under the impression whenever it happened now it was legit bleeding from injury (like when Ray Mysterio shattered Undertaker's face with the 619 a couple years back).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
Only on rare occasions (like at Extreme Rules when they allowed Lesnar to bleed). Apparently this past Monday was not planned for Punk to bleed as he stated on Twitter that he was fined and so was referee Charles Robinson (though Punk said he paid Robinson's fine out of respect, and the total was $500,000).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 07:34:24 PM
On another matter, apparently a few weeks ago WWE reached a deal with the World Wide Fund for Nature (known as World Wildlife Fund in the US) to let WWE use the "WWF" initials and the WWF scratch logo again (at least from the past uses of it). So that means we should get DVD's without the blurring of the scratch logo and muting of the WWF name that they legally had to do.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Louieturkey on August 30, 2012, 08:08:35 PM
On another matter, apparently a few weeks ago WWE reached a deal with the World Wide Fund for Nature (known as World Wildlife Fund in the US) to let WWE use the "WWF" initials and the WWF scratch logo again (at least from the past uses of it). So that means we should get DVD's without the blurring of the scratch logo and muting of the WWF name that they legally had to do.
That's pretty cool.  I'm not sure how it will be used unless they start rereleasing legacy footage with WWF in the title.  I guess they could rerelease the Wrestlemania anthologies.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 30, 2012, 08:09:08 PM
Speaking of Devon...

(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8913/devon.jpg)

Yes that's me in the "salmon" colored ****. This was probably 7 or 8 years ago (obviously, since he was still in WWE). Devon actually lives pretty close to me, Jamie Noble too (he came into our shop a couple of weeks ago).

Devon's a real nice guy. He's been to my mom's restaurant a few times. One time when he was in (after going to TNA) I wrote "kick Team Canada's ass at the PPV" and he wrote back "Oh my brother testify!" On the occasion pictured above he signed a menu for me and gave me a WWE RAW hat.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on August 30, 2012, 09:38:00 PM
Yeah, Devon is supposed to be very friendly. Bully Ray, on the other hand, has always had a reputation for not being fan-friendly.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 30, 2012, 09:46:53 PM
I will tell you this too, he's a big mother fucker in real life. I felt kind of bad asking for his photo, but we waited until after he ate dinner with his family and only took the one picture. He didn't seem too bothered by it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 30, 2012, 09:48:38 PM
And the CM Punk $500,000 fine thing was a joke. He was making fun of the WWE storyline of Sheamus being fined $500,000 for attacking a referee.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on August 30, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
That's cool you got to meet Devon. It seems like the nicest wrestlers end up being the least popular... sad, but true. I heard that was the reason why Vladimir Kozlov was released from the WWE because he is a really nice guy and I guess that's not what they want in a wrestler. Could also be the reason why TNA is letting Devon go. There's only so much room in the biz for nice guys like Cena. Once that niche is filled, there's no need for others to be around. There always seems to be room for the bad guys, though.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
Wouldn't it be cool if the leader of Aces & Eights turns out to be Christy Hemme? No one would expect that. Everyone automatically assumes the leader is going to be a male, so if it turns out to be a female it would blow everyone's mind. Or what if its Tara?

Both Tara and Christy Hemme are fans of motorcycles IRL and Aces and Eights is a Motorcycle gang, so they would fit right in. Even if they aren't the leader, they could still be members of it. Especially Tara, because of her recent Heel turn.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 12:15:55 PM
Last night's Impact was really bad. I know wrestling is fake but it seems like TNA wants to see how fake people are willing to tolerate. It's like when WWE had the Chavo Guerrero-Hornswoggle feud and had Hornswoggle run through a painted tunnel (i.e. the Road Runner) or when a wrestler sees something that isn't there and so can the audience. At this point, I don't think TNA can salvage the Aces & Eights angle.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 01:19:54 PM
What made it seem more fake than usual? I don't recall anything that couldn't have theoretically been real. There was no painted tunnel or anything like that. Sting and Hulk were abducted and taken to A&8s club and roughed up a bit. Stuff like that can theoretically happen in real life.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 01:33:39 PM
All the camera angles, and the cameras being there, and the way A&E threatened them at the end. It just seemed too much like a movie. Made me wish it was like how wrestling used to be treated like a real sport (we knew it was fake then too).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on September 28, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
Yeah, you are right about the cameras. It didn't bother me because I wasn't even thinking about that. If you think about it your enjoyment of it will be ruined, but just like when you are watching a movie you have to suspend your disbelief.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on September 28, 2012, 01:45:15 PM
I think TNA should have focused more on Bound for Glory, it's their biggest PPV of the year and only a couple of weeks away, but didn't focus much on it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 05, 2012, 12:30:59 AM
http://gawker.com/5948770/even-for-a-minute-watching-hulk-hogan-have-sex-in-a-canopy-bed-is-not-safe-for-work-but-watch-it-anyway

Apparently there is a Hulk Hogan sex tape.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2012, 09:25:49 AM
This is better for the fun house...too limiting for comments in here.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 05, 2012, 11:44:44 AM
News of the tape is old, but interesting to have details now. I knew Hogan and Bubba were close friends, but close enough for Bubba to let Hogan bang his wife?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on October 05, 2012, 09:01:33 PM
Whatcha gonna do when Hulkamania shoots its load all over you?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 10, 2012, 12:56:18 AM
It would be hilarious if they worked this into the Aces & Eights storyline on tomorrow night's episode impact. Imagine Aces and Eights interrupting Hogan and  showing up on the screen and showing off part of the sextape and then saying "checkmate Hogan".

That would be so awesome if they did that, but they probably won't even acknowledge it at all.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 11, 2012, 05:14:04 AM
Apparently CM Punk decked some fan in the audience and now the fan is taking legal action. Needless to say Vince is irate. Perhaps Punk will be fired? Or at the very least stripped of the title and fined I would think.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on October 11, 2012, 06:42:40 AM
Fan's not pressing charges, Punk holds the title until January when he drops it to Dwayne for no readily apparent reason.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Sarail on October 11, 2012, 11:20:16 AM
Man, I really wish Punk would drop the conceited, holier than thou attitude he has and come wrestle for Impact. I'd kill to see a Aries vs. Punk match. Or even Roode vs. Punk. That'd be good, too. Same goes for Bryan Danielson...I hate that he's a WWE wrestler. Drives me crazy.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 11, 2012, 01:45:11 PM
LOL, why would he want to go to TNA? Like it or not, WWE is the top organization the world and Punk (who is easily one of the best in the world, if not THE best) should compete in the top wrestling organization. Punk makes a ton of of money in WWE and wrestles in front of thousands of fans even at house shows (Impact Zone only holds about 900 and most TNA house shows get less than 500 people). And Daniel Bryan (please use his correct ring name) is also a bigger star now than he ever was in the indies, plus WWE has helped him develop a personality and he is one of the top stars in WWE.

BTW, CM Punk and Austin Aries have already faced each other several times before (Punk's last match in ROH was challenging Aries for the ROH Championship) and this 40 minute match: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXAk2L74zxo
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on October 11, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
Punk wrestled for TNA back in the early days (2003-04) and clearly didn't enjoy the experience. Bryan was probably making more in Japan/ROH.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 11, 2012, 06:17:22 PM
Bryan wasn't making more. In fact, when he signed with WWE he specifically said he did so because he wanted to make as much money as he can before he retires and his body is too broken down to work for WWE.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Chozo Ghost on October 12, 2012, 10:01:41 AM
LOL, why would he want to go to TNA? Like it or not, WWE is the top organization the world and Punk (who is easily one of the best in the world, if not THE best) should compete in the top wrestling organization.

If he were fired by Vince TNA is the next best thing. But with that said Vince probably won't fire him. Just like why he didn't fire Orton for drug violations. WWE's top tier wrestlers know they can get away with a lot of stuff because Vince doesn't want to fire them, because he knows if he does they will just go over to TNA and it will embarrass him. Mid or low tier wrestlers or female wrestlers don't matter to Vince. That's why TNA has picked up Gail Kim, Chavo, and perhaps Gallows and others. Vince fired them because they weren't top talent. But someone like Punk or Orton will probably never get fired no matter how much crap they pull.

Also, some wrestlers might find it better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond. You see what I'm saying? A lot of wrestlers in TNA are there by choice, like Sting for example. Sting had the opportunity to go to WWE and was invited by Vince but he turned it down because he was worried about what would be done with his character. Some wrestlers aren't all about the money. Some care about the integrity of their character. From what I understand in TNA the wrestlers are given a lot more independence and creative freedom with their character and the storylines they are involved in.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on October 12, 2012, 11:08:33 AM
Orton wasn't fired because it was only his second violation of the Wellness Policy. If he violates it again (Mysterio is in the same boat), then he will be fired. And wrestlers going to TNA won't embarrass him. TNA is happy to accept drug addicts and they have no testing. Most WWE wrestlers who have gone to TNA said they were happy at first, but it quickly soured. WWE has released top stars before, the biggest example was Kurt Angle (because he refused to enter rehab for his painkiller addiction). Sting not about the money? Is that why he is one of the highest paid wrestlers in TNA (I know at one point he was the highest for sure) despite never being more than part time? The majority of TNA wrestlers are only paid when they are used by TNA (only the top stars have guaranteed contracts), meaning many of them have to rely on wrestling in indie organizations just to make enough money to survive. Right now most of the knockouts are unhappy because the current booker is Bruce Prichard and it is not a secret that he doesn't like women's wrestling and is why they have had such a reduced told (and why Winter, Angelina Love, and Velvet Sky have left this year; and ones like Mickie James and Gail Kim have had reduced roles). The X Division has never had a smaller role in the companies history, and even the tag team division is pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on November 24, 2012, 12:15:57 AM
So, I've officially given up on wrestling. I've stopped watching it several times before, but now that RAW has become 3 hours it feels like a chore. I will watch Royal Rumble and WrestleMania, but I've taken RAW off of the DVR schedule. If Stone Cold Steve Austin comes back, I'll get back into it, but it's just so lame now...and I'm 31.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 11, 2012, 11:21:04 PM
So, CM Punk is the longest reigning WWE Champion in the last 24 years. His current reign is 387 days, longer than anyone since Hulk Hogan's first reign from 1984-1988 (1,474 days). That is very nice. No more hotshotting the title. I just hope WWE doesn't give the title to The Rock, he doesn't deserve it.

WWE is still good to watch.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on December 16, 2012, 09:46:14 PM
So yeah, I was all set to hand Match of the Year to CM Punk/Daniel Bryan from May.

Then the TLC match happened. Hachie machie.

I'm going to have to rewatch it tomorrow, and I suggest you find a way to watch it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 17, 2012, 08:38:41 AM
Which one?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on December 17, 2012, 11:34:00 AM
Which one?

There was only one TLC match (like how there is only one Royal Rumble match). The Shield vs. Team Hell No and Ryback. I haven't seen the PPV, but everyone seems to be saying it was the best match of the night (Pro Wrestling Torch even gave it 4 out of 4 stars).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on December 17, 2012, 01:54:28 PM
So it was Goldberg, Kane, and Daniel Bryan vs the nWo...nice.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2013, 10:11:31 PM
Nice to see Chris Jericho show up.

John Cena winning the rumble is a facepalm. At least we can expect his title match at Wrestlemania to last more than 18 seconds because WWE can't waste a Cena match.

I have a feeling CM Punk is going to lose the WWE Title to The Rock so Cena can win his 3985645287th title in April. I don't hate Cena. I just think that the way they use him is predictable. I wouldn't mind seeing CM Punk vs Cena at Wrestlemania though. They typically put on good matches.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
Forgot all about it because I stopped watching WWE, watching the end of Rock vs Punk though.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2013, 10:42:03 PM
Wow. Never thought I'd see that ending.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 27, 2013, 10:42:52 PM
That was a terrible ending.

EDIT: Wait... That was better, but I was still hoping CM Punk would win. Odd that a part-timer is now champ.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2013, 10:50:35 PM
Or that.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 27, 2013, 10:57:01 PM
Mania better have one damn hot undercard, because I'll be Laytoning my way through the main event for the second year in a row. And it'll be even worse now that Helen Keller can see the ending coming.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
I would rather not have the match at all than have Rock vs Cena again (especially with the obvious outcome).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on January 28, 2013, 02:00:06 AM
Punk's streak vs. Undertaker's streak would have been an awesome Wrestlemania main event. The Undertaker's streak match has been 1 of the major matches of Wrestlemania and it would be a title match. The problem is that Undertaker only wrestles 1 match a year now and giving him the title because no wrestler wants to accept the responsibility of ending the streak puts WWE in a weird position. It also gives them 1 fewer match to hype up since they'd be combining 2 big matches.

Anyway, I wonder who Undertaker will face this year. There's CM Punk if he is out of the title race for now. There's Chris Jericho if he is back for more than a 1 off appearance at the Royal Rumble. It looks like he'll be in a feud with Dolph Ziggler. They can't both lose so that could be interesting. Ziggler still has the Money in the Bank case so maybe they'll have Jericho do something else. Assuming Undertaker even has a match, I'd really like to see him wrestle someone he hasn't wrestled at Wrestlemania before considering we had 2 years of Shawn Michaels followed by 2 years of Triple H.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 28, 2013, 01:47:25 PM
For months it has been rumored that Punk vs. Undertaker is planned, with that being one of the 4 matches WWE already has locked in place (along with Rock-Cena for the WWE Championship, and Triple H-Lesnar).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: terribledeli on January 31, 2013, 04:00:15 PM
It's been drifting around that the Undertaker's appearance isn't a lock any longer. To the point (again rumors), that a Plan B for CM Punk is being drafted.

Which I'm totally fine with at this point. Tossing Punk into a match with the Undertaker at this point makes little sense to me. Punk isn't going to benefit from a rub for breaking the streak or having him lose to the Undertaker won't help Punk's prospects (Unless they're trying to repackage him as a face by gaining Taker's respect...which would be disappointing considering the last 18 months). Losing a third PPV match in a row just doesn't make much sense. Even for him to lose in the same fashion Triple H lost last year. This guy is your number 2 in the company WWE. Unless they're trying to bury at him at this point. Maybe they are. I don't know.

After a short feud, (heel) Jericho is supposed (again rumor) to be gunning for Ryback. Which makes me a sad panda because 1) I've always been a big Jericho fan and 2) Ryback isn't engaging for me at all. And I don't believe that feud will elevate Ryback back up again.

Cena vs Rock II (Twice in a Lifetime I guess?)...I'm not really sure how to feel. It's been shown that Cena really doesn't need a title. Maybe have Ziggler cash in Money in the Bank?

Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on January 31, 2013, 04:14:10 PM
Ziggler can only cash in his MITB on the World Heavyweight Champion, so he won't be involved in Rock-Cena.
And I have not seen rumors of Jericho-Ryback.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: terribledeli on January 31, 2013, 07:14:58 PM
Observer Newsletter had the info with Jericho and Ryback.

It seemed odd to be honest. Because it basically paints of picture of face Jericho vs heel Ziggler, then Jericho switching to be the heel to Ryback's face.

All in the span of two months? And there's at least two Raw shows he'll be missing due to Fozzy commitments.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2013, 07:37:28 PM
WWE announced earlier today that Bruno Sammartino will be inducted in the WWE Hall of Fame. This is big news since Sammartino has refused for years to be inducted. But WWE has been trying harder this year to convince him, including Triple H personally going to his home to talk with him. Already announced for the Hall of Fame this year are Mick Foley, Bob Backlund, and Trish Stratus.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 25, 2013, 11:10:53 PM
John Cena just hit CM Punk with a Hurricanrana, after a powerbomb, and after Punk gave him a pile driver. Now I've seen everything.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on February 25, 2013, 11:34:35 PM
(http://www.abload.de/img/cenawinsnlqgx.gif)


(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5s9owfprY1r2f0eto1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 06, 2013, 09:44:57 AM
RIP Percy Pringle. They should have had Punk beat the Rock and keep the title, and have Punk go on to WM29 vs Undertaker and win, since there would be absolutely no reason to have a guy that wrestles once a year being the Champion (this goes for Rock too).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2013, 10:47:24 PM
Glad I don't watch this crap anymore.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 07, 2013, 11:17:04 PM
I was going to quote the post above... you know what, screw it. I'll just quote the first pic.

(http://www.abload.de/img/cenawinsnlqgx.gif)
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 07, 2013, 11:28:15 PM
To be fair, Cena deserved to win more than The Rock. Rock only wrestles on PPVs, and appears on TV like 2 times a month. It would have been stupid for WWE to have Rock win (then again, it was stupid to give Rock the belt anyways). I dont think the show was that bad, though the crowd could have been into it more. And it sounds like Punk-Undertaker was a great match. Poor Swagger, about to start his Wellness Policy suspension and he didnt even get a entrance at WrestleMania.

And I guess time constraints forced WWE to cancel the Tons of Funk/Funkadactyls vs. Team Rhodes Scholars/Bella Twins match.

And I had to smile when I read that Trump got the hell booed out of him at the Hall of Fame ceremony (and at WrestleMania). And I am looking forward to the WrestleMania DVD just for Bob Backlund alone since he was apparently acting bat-**** crazy.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2013, 11:37:45 PM
Cena wins, Triple H Wins, Undertaker wins. They were all so obvious that it makes watching the PPV pointless.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 07, 2013, 11:44:31 PM
Wow, complain much? Do you never watch a TV show or movie if you think you will know how it will end? A big part of the fun is watching the match itself. Plus, if you watch WWE each week you would see they managed to put enough doubt out there about Undertaker winning that it was plausible Punk would end the streak. Plus, the match was actually very good. And in the past we have seen great matches despite the outcome not being in doubt (Flair vs. Michaels, Michaels vs. Undertaker, etc.). I dont think it would have been a good idea to have Lesnar win, but that match was much better than expected.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Adrock on April 07, 2013, 11:49:04 PM
It was stupid to book Rock/Cena 2. No one believed The Rock was going to walk out of Wrestlemania the champion when Cena won the Royal Rumble and that was the entire problem. It was two and a half months of "Okay, just get this over with." We all know wrestling is scripted, but booking like that makes it uninteresting. I would have been far less sure of the outcome if The Rock wasn't champ or if he wasn't facing Cena.

Punk vs Undertaker and Lesnar vs Triple H were also predictable. I don't mind the Undertaker steak match being predictable because most people just like honoring the accomplishment. It's just a fun match every year now. As soon as Lesnar vs Triple H became a career-on-the-line match, it became instantly obvious that Triple H was going to win. Does he wrestle non-gimmick matches anymore?

Anyway, those three were pretty good from a wrestling standpoint. There weren't too many wow moments, but the near-falls towards the end of each match made them more interesting.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 07, 2013, 11:56:57 PM
Does he wrestle non-gimmick matches anymore?

Yes, his match against Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam last year (which was the last match either one had) was a regular match.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 08, 2013, 12:20:21 AM
I agree it was stupid to give Rock the belt because you instantly knew that it would be Rock/Cena 2 and Cena would win. Not one second of questioning it. CM Punk vs Undertaker probably was good - but it's also the same match that Undertaker has had for the past 5 years now. It goes on and on - the opponent kicks out of the tombstone, Taker kicks out of the other guy's move, then it happens again - then the guy makes a mistake and Taker gives him the final tombstone and wins. It's literally like watching a remake of the same match every year. And as stupid as it was to give Rock the title - he's actually wrestled more matches this past cycle than Undertaker has in about 3 years.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 12:30:51 AM
But Undertaker earned it after 20+ years of wrestling.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 08, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
Against my better judgment I'm actually watching RAW tonight (at least the last hour). It's actually pretty hilarious because the crowd is cheering the heels and booing the faces, making ridiculous chants ("ECW" and "Randy Savage" during the Sheamus/Orton match). Sheamus and Orton both had to hide their smiles, and then the crowd cheered Big Show and chanted "Thank you Big Show" when he came and attacked them both. Then they showed Cena on the display and the crowd booed so much that they cut the audio to hide it.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 08, 2013, 10:45:48 PM
Brothers of Destruction and Daniel Bryan vs The Shield?

... shut up and take my money.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 08, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
Even the announcers were laughing and joking about it (and JBL had a huge smile on his face when they were chanting his name). Very weird crowd.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 12, 2013, 09:22:28 PM
In other news...D-Von Dudley's wife works at my mom's restaurant now.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 15, 2013, 12:51:31 AM
So, Devon held a show today in my city (Melbourne, FL). It was a cancer benefit show with all proceeds going to charity. Everyone worked the show for free including some of Devon's students, Devon himself, Garett Bischoff, Wes Briscoe, Jay Lethal, Samoa Joe...and HULK HOGAN! I was really surprised by that - this was a very small show - 400 people at the most in the audience, and it wasn't for an organization or televised or anything (and again, no one got paid for it), so I thought it was really cool for the Hulkster to be there (of course he did not wrestle, beyond a few punches outside the ring and stuff). Hulk said he'll be back next year (this is the second annual event for Devon), and wants to work a match.

It was really cool of Devon to put all the effort into this, he is a really genuinely nice guy. One of his students (at least I figure he's a student) is an Iraq war vet with a prosthetic leg and it was truly inspirational watching him in the ring and just how athletic he was without his prosthetic attached (sit down power bomb for his finisher standing on his right leg).

On a side note, Kurt Angle was supposed to be there but he is in rehab I believe for like his 10th DUI.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on September 15, 2013, 11:28:17 PM
I thought Kurt was out of rehab, maybe he lost his license or something. Still, that's cool that Devon does that and Hogan actually appeared.

Also, I'm gonna leave this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusty_Finish#Dusty_Finish) here...
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on September 16, 2013, 12:01:03 AM
Yeah, a few weeks ago a friend of mine's husband died, and Devon took her and her kids backstage to meet everyone and take pictures with Hogan, etc.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 06, 2014, 09:57:12 PM
AND THE STREAK IS OVER! 21-1 LESNAR WINS!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 06, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
I said goddamn.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 06, 2014, 10:52:47 PM
I just happened to realize that WrestleMania was tonight and watched it, but I've got to say it's one of the best PPVs that WWE has ever had.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: nickmitch on April 06, 2014, 11:02:03 PM
Just watched it on WWE Network (via Apple TV).  Gotta admit that I was impressed with the stream.  Quality was pretty consistent; only buffered once, quality dropped thrice.

But that was a pretty good PPV.  The Andre The Giant Battle Royale was really fun, and the championship triple threat was awesome.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 06, 2014, 11:34:30 PM
I had to watch the old-fashioned, expensive as hell way (with four friends chipping in). Lucky bastards. VINCE I WANT TO GIVE YOU MONEY WHY DO YOU NOT WANT MY MONEY.

Great show, I'm so glad we got to have that moment again and I don't have to hear about the f**king streak anymore. Cowboys never go out the way you expect.

Not sure where it ranks in the pantheon (17->10->3 is my current top 3), but it's the first one I've needed to buy the BluRay for since 20 and we all know how that ended up.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2014, 12:10:52 AM
X-7 will always be one of the best. I assume Undertaker will announce his retirement on RAW - and this means it won't ever be Sting (who basically confirmed he'll be at WM31 yesterday) vs Undertaker
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 07, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
(http://i.minus.com/ibljbtraDmD6lO.gif)

Yeah, time to hang it up 'Taker.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: nickmitch on April 07, 2014, 02:46:13 PM
I think he just turned 50.  So, it should really be about that time.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2014, 02:55:59 PM
Apparently he suffered a head or neck injury in the match (though it didn't change the timing or finish), and had to stay in the hospital overnight, so that look on his face is probably legit.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2014, 12:47:08 AM
So...The Ultimate Warrior died. WTF?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on April 09, 2014, 08:42:58 AM
;_;

It looks like a heart attack... the 80s and 90s claim yet another victim.

I'm just glad that he got to mend the relationship and say goodbye. Not many people get that chance in this industry. RIP
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2014, 09:49:01 AM
First the streak, ow Ultimate Warrior. Thanks, Obama.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Ian Sane on April 09, 2014, 04:17:31 PM
Whenever I watch old wrestling matches or shows my brother and I tend to do a quick count on who is still alive.  If it's any match involving more than four participants and the match is from the 80's or 90's there is a pretty good chance someone is dead.  Last night we were watching the WarGames DVD and that included the very shitty '98 edition that had the Warrior in it.  We observed that despite there being nine guys in the match, none of them had died yet.  Well that didn't last.

When I was a kid the big three were Hogan, Savage and Warrior.  Only Hogan remains and he's only 60.  At the time I never assumed that so many wrestlers would die so young.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 09, 2014, 06:13:26 PM
I can't believe they had the HOF ceremony with Warrior, Jake the Snake, and Scott Hall - and Warrior is the one that dies first.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Phil on April 09, 2014, 06:14:25 PM
It was nice the Ultimate Warrior was able to bury the proverbial hatchet with the WWE and Vince McMahon and enter the Hall of Fame, as well as a return to Raw before he passed away. That's something we can take solace in in this sad turn of events.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 17, 2014, 10:50:50 PM
YES! I don't know if anyone watched SummerSlam, and yes, I know it's fake but...
Brock Lesnar completely obliterated John Cena, so happy to see that! New champ!
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 18, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
Watch it here!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5nRKrmL1IW2ZM8Dbv3?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 18, 2014, 03:30:07 PM
He murdered him cold. What I don't get is who is Brock going to feud with now? Its too early for Roman, DB is crazy hurt, although the dichotomy of David and Goliath works well. They've already buried anybody who had the momentum to challenge the beast, so who?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 18, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
Rematch with Cena will be first. He probably won't defend very often, that's what Paul Heyman said should happen, and I agree. I don't know who it will be after that, but surely it will end with Roman Reigns at WrestleMania. Randy Orton will probably get a match...probably a triple threat somewhere.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: nickmitch on August 18, 2014, 08:25:21 PM
Maybe the Authority realizes they can't control Lesnar, so they throw foe after foe at him?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on August 18, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
Brock killing everything in sight is what's best for business (tm).
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on August 19, 2014, 01:47:52 AM
I hate that belt. Its so generic. Its got no style, no pop, no razz! TNA has a championship belt *you can set your watch to.


*Heard that Grandpa Simpson say that.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on August 19, 2014, 07:55:42 AM
It is stupid but it's still better than the previous (thought basically the same) WWE Championship, and all of the stupid spinner belts. The belt from the Attitude Era and the Undisputed Championship were the best.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 26, 2015, 11:15:09 AM
Anyone watch Royal Rumble last night? The RR match itself was good up until the ending, honestly if they would have put the WHC title match at the end the whole show would have come off as a much better event. Just a terrible, and completely predictable...not even predictable because it's basically like they told us a year ago what would happen...ending. But the triple threat match was probably the best I've ever seen. Everyone came out of that one looking great, and it really should have been the main event. Though I do think it's pretty obvious what will happen at WrestleMania, and hopefully I'm wrong, but Reigns will beat Lesnar, then Rollins will cash in and leave as champion.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 26, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
BUBBA RAY DUDLEY! That Philly crowd was insane the whole night, booing and cheering with no regard for heel or face! At least 1 major PPV should be here every year, (I think we get Wrestlmania 33 or 34).


They should have known to not let Daniel Bryan, the most over face since the Rock in his prime get put out the RR before the last 4. Having Show and Kane be the last 2 baddies was a mistake and kinda shows the weakness of the roster. Thought the Triple threat match was dope and that elbow through the table was the best there is. It was Shawn Michaels great. Hell, even Cena broke out a few new moves.


While I did expect "him" to win and his cousin to come out and past the "reigns" to the  next gen, I still feel like WWE needs one or two more great heels.


BROCK IS A CHEAT CODE WITH TRAPS!




Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 26, 2015, 09:16:31 PM
I think I was the only person not named "McMahon" rooting for Reigns last night because I got his number in the Rumble pool. Still, he's probably the best heel in the business right now.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 27, 2015, 10:41:25 AM
So since raw was "canceled" last night and they showed the entire Royal Rumble match, should I ask for a refund?
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 27, 2015, 10:43:17 AM
Did you order the PPV? I'm thinking about getting WWE Network, just for the PPVs. I have no problem finding...other sources...but it's convenient plus there are some cool shows.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on January 27, 2015, 04:40:56 PM
Nah I watched it on the MAC. Just playing about the refund but if anybody did order the ppv, they should get something off that bill.

$10 a month is more than fair for the content the provide.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on January 27, 2015, 08:18:16 PM
NXT is worth $9.99 and $40 when they have their specials.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
Well, WWE did a good job of putting Roman Reigns over tonight. WrestleMania should be a good show.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Shaymin on February 23, 2015, 07:30:40 AM
A former Shield member is going to get the babyface pop of a lifetime when he wins the title at Wrestlemania.

Namely, Seth Rollins.
Title: Re: Wrestling discussion
Post by: Nile Boogie Returns on February 23, 2015, 09:27:42 AM
They did indeed. Although the Rusev Cena match was quite predictable. There is no way John Cena gets the US title ever again. Seth Rollins cash in at WM after Brock Wins.