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Nintendo is not trying to provide "social commentary."


http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/37361/nintendo-comments-on-lack-of-same-sex-relationships-in-tomodachi-life-localization


The localization of Tomadachi Life for North America will not allow for same sex relationships with a representative stating that they "never intended to make any form of social commentary."


Nintendo of America explained their stance in a statement saying "Nintendo never intended to make any form of social commentary with the launch of 'Tomodachi Life'. The relationship options in the game represent a playful alternate world rather than a real-life simulation. We hope that all of our fans will see that 'Tomodachi Life' was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary."


A recent "Miiquality" campaign started by Tye Marini, a gay Nintendo fan from Mesa, Arizona, had the goal of getting same-sex relationships in the game's localization. In an interview he talked about the game's customization of Mii characters, saying  "You name them. You give them a personality. You give them a voice. They just can't fall in love if they're gay."

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While not unexpected, it wasn't what I hoped for. I wonder about the amount of access Treehouse and NoE's localization team had on the game and the personnel and resources they had available. If they had the resources, time, and NCL's blessing, I can't imagine a world where they wouldn't make same-sex relationships available.


Nintendo's public response to the issue was handled poorly. The statements are made of tone-deaf corporate double-speak that can easily be misconstrued. If all they had was bad news, not speaking would have been better than the statements they made.

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Actually I agree with Nintendo on this.


A video game is not the place to putting anything that might be controversial...and the absence of homosexual relationships in a game that has broad appeal for kids and adults is better than the inclusion.


And I do not want to sound insensitive, but honestly, activists should not try to push homosexuality into every aspect of our life.  I understand the need to fight for equality, but its a video game, and not including in a life simulation that will be mostly played by kids that are not even thinking about sexuality is not an act of discrimination. 


 

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I agree they shouldn't have responded at all.

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I'm told there's a way to dress up characters as the other gender to "gay marry" in the game without breaking it, and that it has been possible in the JP version for a long time as well (without being removed).

I have no clue why Americans (or Occidentals in general, IDK) believe that you need every video game to be "progressive" and have openly gay characters or the ability to play as a gay character.
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I agree they shouldn't have responded at all.

According to an IGN interview with Bill Trinen, the data-leak bug and the same-sex marriage were two unrelated issues that became conflated in western reporting of the Japanese articles. The patch fixed the data leak while the same-sex marriage was Japanese players being creative in assigning genders and clothing to their Miis.
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Sorry, but not allowing same-sex relationships in a game all about relationships is, in of itself, social commentary whether they like it or not.

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No Nintendo. You don't get to say "we didn't intend to make any form social commentary" and call it a day. The fact the game exists in this state is a form of social commentary. You don't get to make a game about relationships (playful or real) and offer a pathetic excuse when people raise a valuable point about how some relationships aren't represented in the game. You're saying the norm is for only straight people(characters, Miis, whatever) to get married.

And I do not want to sound insensitive, but honestly, activists should not try to push homosexuality into every aspect of our life.  I understand the need to fight for equality, but its a video game, and not including in a life simulation that will be mostly played by kids that are not even thinking about sexuality is not an act of discrimination.


I don't understand how having an option for same-sex relationships in a video game somehow pushes homosexuality into your life. But yeah, let's talk about how it makes straight-people feel when gay people can't simulate their life in a freaking life simulation.


Also, the "think of the children" hysteria doesn't hold water when there are plenty of "normal" children being raised by same-sex families.


I have no clue why Americans (or Occidentals in general, IDK) believe that you need every video game to be "progressive" and have openly gay characters or the ability to play as a gay character.


I'll give you a hint: the year is 2014.


Nintendo's response to this was worse than silence. This blows.
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Good Heavens, just cancel the NA release Nintendo, say yourself the annoyance. What about Nintendo supporting Trans- players by allowing male appearance and female gender?

Or maybe having only two genders of Mii is hateful all on its own. It's a tricky minefield these days...

Can I report Steel Diver for political discussion? Sheesh.


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We aren't upset that they aren't supporting types of relationships. We (or at least me and others I know) are upset because their response to this is fucking terrible.

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I have no clue why Americans (or Occidentals in general, IDK) believe that you need every video game to be "progressive" and have openly gay characters or the ability to play as a gay character.


Would you say the same to a woman who complained that there wasn't a non-sexualized female character to play as? Just like men like to play men and women like to play women, HOLY ****, gay people want to have the same sort of relationship in their RELATIONSHIP SIMULATOR. Mind fucking blown, right? This is 20 fucking 14.

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And I do not want to sound insensitive, but honestly, activists should not try to push homosexuality into every aspect of our life.  I understand the need to fight for equality, but its a video game, and not including in a life simulation that will be mostly played by kids that are not even thinking about sexuality is not an act of discrimination. 


Sorry, what? All this sounds like is you saying "stop pushing your AGENDA" on me, yuck". There is no agenda from "activists". People of a certain sexuality want to play someone of that sexuality. Post edited by moderator because it broke several NWR Forum Rules.


Like I said, the problem I have with this is their god-awful response to it. They could have said a million things other than what they did and it wouldn't have been this big of a deal.
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Does it not count if they cheat the system and make a "male" Mii or a "female" Mii and dress it as they choose? It's just a video game, NONE OF IT IS REAL

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It's just a video game, NONE OF IT IS REAL


Dismissive statements don't count as a valid argument.
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It's just a video game, NONE OF IT IS REAL



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Does any of this count as politics if Nintendo was the one that started it?

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I'm sorry, is it real?

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Just because it's real doesn't mean it isn't something that should happen. Post edited by moderator because it broke several NWR Forum Rules.

Because I hate to break it to you, but media influences people and their ideas. It may not be real, but how it affects people is real.
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Personal insults are not really necessary here, Oblivion.

The great thing about ideas is not everyone has to have the same one. You can not buy the game, Not buy Nintendo, complain about it to anybody who will listen, whatever you want. But when you insult somebody because they disagree with you, that does not do anybody any good.

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I'm sorry, is it real?


NO THEY'RE REAL!!


People take games far to seriously these days.  Those responses to your post was dead giveaway.  They feel as though they can't have what they want in a freaking game they need to complain about it.  I've seen so much of this in relation to censorship, misogyny, pedophilia, ect. 


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I'm surprised Nintendo of America didn't have more nuanced response ready to go. They must have known this would become a discussion topic as soon as they decided to release the game in America in 2014 (whereas arguments probably wouldn't have gained much traction for the original DS game in 2009).


This kind of controversy is exactly why Nintendo guarded Miis for so long and had very tight restrictions on how they could be used in games. I don't think there was even a game with direct control over Miis until... Mario Kart? Now they are launching a game in which characters that look like friends, family, and you interact in a wacky version of real life events, including romantic relationships. Seeing unexpected pairings is in fact a huge part of Tomodachi's appeal. When you create a game that incorporates players' own likenesses into a kind of simulation, there is an expectation that players can create a reasonable characterization of themselves and see the game play upon that characterization. Seeing these abstracted versions of ourselves form relationships and share personal moments, who might not do so in real life IS THE GAME.


I fall on the side of those who think this is just a basic feature lacking from Tomodachi, and the game is a weaker package without it. It's especially thoughtless to exclude such combinations when this is a sequel. However, if this is something you truly care about, and the game is otherwise appealing, the best thing you can do is buy this one and help ensure that subsequent Tomodachi games will also be released worldwide. There's no way Nintendo can make this mistake again, with the expectations of a multi-region audience.
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Thank you Jonny, for that post. It was well written.

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1.  Nintendo can do whatever the **** they want in their game.

Agreed.

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No Nintendo. You don't get to say "we didn't intend to make any form social commentary" and call it a day. The fact the game exists in this state is a form of social commentary. You don't get to make a game about relationships (playful or real) and offer a pathetic excuse when people raise a valuable point about how some relationships aren't represented in the game. You're saying the norm is for only straight people(characters, Miis, whatever) to get married.

And I do not want to sound insensitive, but honestly, activists should not try to push homosexuality into every aspect of our life.  I understand the need to fight for equality, but its a video game, and not including in a life simulation that will be mostly played by kids that are not even thinking about sexuality is not an act of discrimination.


I don't understand how having an option for same-sex relationships in a video game somehow pushes homosexuality into your life. But yeah, let's talk about how it makes straight-people feel when gay people can't simulate their life in a freaking life simulation.


Also, the "think of the children" hysteria doesn't hold water when there are plenty of "normal" children being raised by same-sex families.


I have no clue why Americans (or Occidentals in general, IDK) believe that you need every video game to be "progressive" and have openly gay characters or the ability to play as a gay character.


I'll give you a hint: the year is 2014.


Nintendo's response to this was worse than silence. This blows.

1) If there is a creative way around it there is no problem...and should be left alone.  There is.

2) Deciding to not include something that actually could upset children, parents, and more because it is a minority position isn't social commentary it is applying to the norm.  (with still allowing a creative way to allow all relationships)

Seriously, how are you going to implement the sexuality gauge?  No I am serious for a second think about it.  Are you going to have in the personality quiz, This character likes boys or girls?  Or a sliding scale?  What happens if one of the characters becomes gay and the player didn't want it to happen or is upset by it.

And don't say they should mature because basically the media is attacking Nintendo because they are upset it can't happen...a child, or even young adult could be upset by this happening. 

It is just safer to not include it.  Nintendo shouldn't have responded it all.  It is a non-issue, and I don't think it even requires a response or an outrage.  It is a game.  If you don't like that something is absent, buy the version of the game it isn't absent in. 

Yes there is activists.  Do you know what a normal person does...they say Wow, this is a bummer, I can't have my character in a game be gay.  Oh well.  I can still enjoy the game for what it is." 

An activist goes to the media and cries out.  "How dare Nintendo do this, because this is 2014, and homosexuality needs to be recognized in all areas of life as normal and acceptable."

I personally think people being creative and working the game system to allow things is a perfectly acceptable means of achieving your life simulation orientation. 

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