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Yeah, if anybody's going to refuse to stock it it'd be GameStop, as it'd kill used games. Even then, I doubt they would. No games means it wouldn't take much shelf space to sell it, so as long as the margins on the hardware and accessories are decent I think they'd carry it.
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Target can be quite petty when it comes to these things. While its not the same thing, When Target was left out on the Beyoncé album that iTunes had first, they refused to sell it at all. Walmart stop selling the kindle... because of "reasons". My point (if there is such a thing) Retailers matter in media until the day the don't, and I don't see that day coming before Nintendo releases the NX.

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I presume Walmart stopped selling the Kindle for the same reason Target stopped selling it: Kindle is owned by Amazon, a direct competitor. People treat brick and mortar stores like Amazon showrooms then buy it for cheaper online.

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Bear in mind that Walmart sells used games now, as does Best Buy. I can't see either being happy stocking NX like this, though Best Buy might be happy just getting people in the door these days.
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Target can be quite petty when it comes to these things. While its not the same thing, When Target was left out on the Beyoncé album that iTunes had first, they refused to sell it at all. Walmart stop selling the kindle... because of "reasons". My point (if there is such a thing) Retailers matter in media until the day the don't, and I don't see that day coming before Nintendo releases the NX.

Target has a policy where they don't sell albums was were initially released digitally.  It wasn't anything personal against Beyonce.
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Target has a policy where they don't sell albums was were initially released digitally.  It wasn't anything personal against Beyonce.


That fine, but the point remains that Target has had anti-digital tendencies and there has been push back from retailers on digitals since the fall of Tower Records. They gain nothing from it, especially when the ps4 is selling like hotcakes. Unless the NX is some amazing new tech, (HD.AR) or the likes, big box stores have virtually nothing to gain.

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That's a good point.  But Target does sell a whole host of Apple products that digital only.

Retailers can still profit on the hardware and accessories sales.  Plus, there's value to having the foot traffic in the stores.

Not everything sold at a store is sold for a profit.
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Target sold Ouyas.

Bingo. Target would sell a digital-only Nintendo console. Nintendo isn't going to make one though.
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It's not digital-only. It's not a hybrid. Great last 2 pages.
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Looking at the patent I really think this is just a new system with a 'GBA player' built-in. The new console and the handheld might share the same media, but you won't be able to play a console game on your handheld.It does, however, offer developers the chance to easily port between both.

So when you come home, if you want to the continue the game you were playing on the train, you can plug it in to the console. And if you want to play your eshop game on the go, you could pay a small fee to do so.
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And lets not forget, most Apple downloads aren't near the 50GB mark and that's the future if Nintendo wants 3party support.
This is a very good point. In fact, pretty much all "Nintendo Retail" and third-party "retail" games (as opposed to "smaller" indie or e-shop games) are in the order of GBs now, aren't they? That is the exception for things downloaded to Apple devices, right?

Unless the NX is some amazing new tech, (HD.AR) or the likes ...
Reading that quickly I saw "(HD.AR)" as saying "hardee har har", as in you commenting on the unlikeliness of Nintendo ever having amazing new tech. :)
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Well Nintendo has just got another US patent, this time for a achievement system/game recording. Though it has a slight chance of being retrofitted for the 3DS and Wii U, we will probably see it on the NX.
http://mynintendonews.com/2015/08/24/nintendo-has-registered-achievement-sharing-with-recording-patent/
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Well Nintendo has just got another US patent, this time for a achievement system/game recording. Though it has a slight chance of being retrofitted for the 3DS and Wii U, we will probably see it on the NX.
http://mynintendonews.com/2015/08/24/nintendo-has-registered-achievement-sharing-with-recording-patent/
That patent is for NES remix 2, knowing Nintendo I doubt they will ever really use it again.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #239 on: September 01, 2015, 09:54:57 AM »
Just to add a little more fuel to the fire:

http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=vg_homepage_quicklinks_nintendodigital?ie=UTF8&node=12597678011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-leftnav&pf_rd_r=0YSMFKQ3P9BDRZEVQHKM&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=2187870802&pf_rd_i=468642

Amazon is now offering direct digital downloads for Wii U and 3DS. You buy it from Amazon, enter your NNID and the code auto populates. You click redeem and it gets sent directly to your device. Who's to say Nintendo isn't working on this kind of service with other retailers?
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #240 on: September 01, 2015, 11:55:48 AM »
Well Nintendo has just got another US patent, this time for a achievement system/game recording. Though it has a slight chance of being retrofitted for the 3DS and Wii U, we will probably see it on the NX.
http://mynintendonews.com/2015/08/24/nintendo-has-registered-achievement-sharing-with-recording-patent/

Is that really something they can patent considering Sony already does that with the PS4?
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #241 on: September 03, 2015, 05:52:50 PM »

This doesn't even qualify as rumor, but on NeoGAF a member posted information about NX, originally in Italian, from someone who says he has sources inside NCL. Very easily could've been completely fabricated. That said, an interesting read:


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177463814&postcount=2847


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- He's under strict NDA with Nintendo Japan


- Informations are from march 2015, with some updates from june-july


- He received a bunch of patents (some of them are publics now), info about what Nintendo is planning and a list of games potentially in development (some of them may or may not have been cancelled), third parties included


- NX is a platform, not tied with a single device


- Wii U is still in the picture thanks to good software results for games like Splatoon, will still be the main home console in 2016


- 3DS is a bit old, they're planning of replacing it. Some games will still come out on it, but big projects are being moved on portable NX


- With NX, Nintendo wants to create a platform where they can develop software for multiple devices with ease, from the home console to the portable to smartphone and tablets. They'll have a big catalogue available for multiple platforms, with cross buy, cross saves and cross play, similar to what Microsoft is doing with Xbox One and PC thanks to Windows 10 (that allows to play many Xbox games on PC, which is also getting a bunch of ports from Xbone). Each platform will still have exclusive games


- NNID is tied to the single device, but it will allow to share details between platforms, like friend list, contents, local coop games, etc. Thanks to the new membership program (the successor of Club Nintendo), we'll benefit from the new Nintendo policies in terms of rewards


- They'll show the portable in spring 2016, will be out for the end of the year or spring 2017 max. Specs will be higher than PS Vita but nothing mindblowing, screen resolution should be 540p, considering 720p if costs go down. BC with 3DS was problematic


- Wii U successor will not have an optical drive, which will be optional. It will sync with the portable (not obligatory). Specs won't be super high, but close to PS4/X1 (doesn't know how much, like with the portable this is still subject to change anyway). Cross games will look better on the home


- Nintendo is focusing a lot on the anti-piracy system


- Big focus on the OS as well. They hired people that worked for Google on Android, the guys who worked on the Gamecube OS and Wii U browser are there too. Optimized versions of the same OS for every NX platform (think, again, W10), each with its set of specific functions. Updates will come out at the same time, they're focusing on making the OS blazing fast on every platform


- The home console can connect with the portable to send to it its own version of the games you buy, will use the same tech as the Wii U-Wii U Gamepad streaming to do that, or the internet connection


- The home will have bc with the Wii U. Gamepad should be compatible as a controller, considering selling it standalone. Can connect with the portable for offtv and bc. WiiMote compatibility is being considered too. As for support, since the new home won't have an optical drive, they're considering an external one. Also being considered NNID/eShop bc for titles bought on the eShop. Seems they're considering digital games sharing too, but this bit is not perfectly clear


- The portable will have its own internal memory, which will be expandable


- There will be a complete overhaul of online infrastructures, but Nintendo is determined to hold successful operations as Miiverse, extending it even further and making it a central hub for communications by developers and a meeting place for players. It will be even more interactive with the ability to upload videos and screenshots in an integrated system and not dependent on the game


- Voice chat and interactions between users will be revisited too, much will depend on the users age though, to protect the minors


- The home will be out 6-12 months after the portable, creating the "NX system" that will allow Nintendo to better use their resources in games development


- They approached third parties during E3. Capcom, Square-Enix, Ubisoft and Electronic Arts already have devkits. Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Sonic, F-Zero and Metroid are in development, doesn't know if these are main episodes or spin offs. Zelda is currently a Wii U only title due to high development costs, but they can reconsider to have another big game at NX launch


- Prices will be low, 200-300€ (for the home?), considering a bundle with both for no more than 500€


- Many of these things will be discussed in future Nintendo Directs, which will have a different host in every market if Nintendo can't find a new CEO by october


- A new 3D Mario will be shown, along with a new Zelda trailer. Retro moved their project on NX, will not be unveiled before 10-18 months


- They'll talk about a new "Club Nintendo", which will be in full function with NX


- Considering making agreements with phone carriers in order to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and the ability to purchase software by phone. Some of these will be out by March 2016


- Is everything set yet? Yes, but with Nintendo you'll never know. If he has updates he will share them with us.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #242 on: September 03, 2015, 06:42:11 PM »
I'm not really digging that rumoured design.  It's actually the lack of an optical drive that really turns me off.  If I can't do physical media I won't buy it.  The rumour says it optional so can you buy an external drive?  Doesn't matter anyway.  If that's an optional accessory then most games won't support it.  I want it standard so that the big games pretty much HAVE to have a physical release and it will be indie and niche titles that don't, like we have now.

If Nintendo releases the handheld NX first then the console NX is not going to sell worth a ****.  The sheer idiocy of this company to look at an embarrassing disaster like the Wii U and think "we'll replace THAT one second" just drives me up the wall.  So there will be exclusives but that's just going to make the two systems only sort of necessary.  Nintendo typically has enough exclusive to their handhelds and consoles that it is worth it to own both.  But if it's just a little handful of exclusives for each with most of the content being for both then it isn't really going to be worth the cost to own both.  People will pick one and most of them will pick the handheld because they trust Nintendo handhelds and the handheld is coming FIRST so any killer app will sell handhelds but will be old news if it shows up on the console a year later.  The console should come first and should come out next year.  You want your best titles to have a period of console exclusivity to encourage its sales as the handheld will sell itself to the market that likes handheld games.  "Console gaming on the go" is a selling point, "handheld gaming on your TV" is not.

The rumour sounds plausible (usually they throw in ridiculous over-the-top wish fulfilment stuff but this doesn't have that) but then most of it sounds like stuff that's already been rumoured or is a logical conclusion based on the existing rumours.  So it might be someone that isn't a moron creating a credible forgery.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #243 on: September 03, 2015, 07:14:13 PM »
Console gaming on the go" is a selling point, "handheld gaming on your TV" is not.

Oh really?

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #244 on: September 03, 2015, 07:22:01 PM »
That sounds quite reasonable as far as rumours go. However one thing I just can't get my head around is the lack of an optical disc drive, just why? I really don't understand, are they too expensive for Nintendo now in this authors fantasy land? Games just sell more at retail than they do on the eshop, it's just a fact. I'm sure Nintendo could give consumers the option to go digital only with a cheaper sku, but to force people to get N or get out just seems like suicide and goes against what makes Nintendo Nintendo.

The piece of evidence that damns this for me though is backwards compatibility, I would not be able to accept a reality in which Nintendo goes through the tremondous monolithic amount of effort and money to make the NX backwards compatible with Wii U, but you can only play your physical games through the use of an external optical disc drive. Hahahahahahah no.

On another note I think the hand held being replaced before the console isn't stupid. The 3ds came out basically 2 years before the Wii U came out, plans get set in motion and schedules are planned out years in advance. It's not as simple as "Oh no we need a new console, better stay up and design one up overnight!" Nintendo would have realised that the Wii U was a failure and beyond saving around December 2013, if the theoretical NX console isn't ready before the theoretical NX handheld then there is nothing they can do about that.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #245 on: September 03, 2015, 07:54:26 PM »
Console gaming on the go" is a selling point, "handheld gaming on your TV" is not.

Oh really?

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I think the fact my brother just bought a Vita TV in clearance for $50 and it came with a PS3 controller demonstrates my point pretty well. :)

I like playing handhelds on my TV but I don't think it's a big selling point.  Plus there is very much the idea that handheld games are scaled down and "inferior" to console games.  So if Nintendo released some new Mario game on the NX handheld first and then a few months it showed up for the NX console launch I worry it would be seen as a handheld game and thus the NX console (already I'm seeing a major annoyance in this naming convention) is offering "inferior" handheld games while the competition has "real" console games designed specifically for consoles and not compromised in any way to accommodate handheld limitations.

Increased hardware doesn't just make the graphics prettier.  It allows for more items on screen and larger areas and more complicated AI and physics.  Go play some HD remaster of a PS2-era game and while the graphics look nice you'll notice that everything else seems somewhat subdued compared to the large open areas of current console games.  Play a game like MGS: Peace Walker on the PS3 and it is obvious that it was originally designed for the PSP.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #246 on: September 03, 2015, 11:09:14 PM »

This doesn't even qualify as rumor,


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177463814&postcount=2847


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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #247 on: September 03, 2015, 11:29:56 PM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177463814&postcount=2847
According to this rumour NX project is enormous, a Project Manhattan of gaming.

On hardware side Nintendo has to marry directly contradicting demands of handhelds and home console in one standard with possibility to build multiple SKU from it.

OS alone should take them many, many years. Especially if they want to make it fast from the get go.

This all sounds like a lot of wishful thinking.

Reminds me of gif from a few years back, during similar Project Cafe rumour frenzy:
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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #248 on: September 03, 2015, 11:36:33 PM »
I remember that gif, it was and still is absolutely F'ing hilarious.

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Re: NX Rumors and Speculation Thread (Unprecedented partnership with Square Enix?)
« Reply #249 on: September 03, 2015, 11:44:00 PM »
What's funny about that GIF now is that most of those games listed are on PS4 now. :P
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