Post by: Chongman on September 27, 2004, 12:48:08 PM
*smirk*...*chuckle* BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yay...
DrZ moderates using a chainsaw on this day, I'm mangling this thread into an official type PSP thread, given it will be out soon and I'd rather not have a hojillion threads about PSP.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 27, 2004, 01:11:22 PM
If PSP beats DS now, I'll probably wind up in a mental asylum.
Post by: Bill Aurion on September 27, 2004, 01:11:23 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2004, 01:19:50 PM
In Canada this will cost around $445 which interestingly enough is actually cheaper than the PS2 or the Saturn when they launched here. That's kind of neat but this still is too expensive.
How reliable is the source? I haven't seen this anywhere else and it's so high that it's unbelievable.
Post by: ruby_onix on September 27, 2004, 01:30:51 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2004, 01:40:07 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on September 27, 2004, 01:49:10 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2004, 02:10:43 PM
This would make sense. Even with Sony's step-by-step "what not to do when launching a new portable" approach to the PSP $350 seems steep enough that even they wouldn't go with it.
Post by: ruby_onix on September 27, 2004, 02:10:59 PM
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Did the guys at N-Phile or GCAdvanced actually SEE the Gamespot headline or are they just going on some forum members say so?
I don't know.
But $350 just wouldn't surprise me. A year ago Chris Deering (the President of SCEE) slipped, and said that the PSP hardware would sell (with no money loss) for $450. Since then Sony's only statements have been "that's not confirmed yet", "no, we'll lose SOME money on the hardware, we just can't say how much", and "please stop talking about the price".
If you're losing $50 on the hardware, you're losing "PlayStation money".
If you're losing $100 on the hardware, you're losing "XBox money".
More than that? That just seems unheard of.
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The real shocker as far as news goes is the fact that you'll need a $30 memory card for the games. In all likelyhood its proprietary so you can't use any other cards.
That's Sony's "Memory Stick". They make them for digital cameras, and that kind of thing. The PSP is disk-based, so it needs some sort of memory cards. And Sony decided that we should be using their Memory Stick format. They're expensive, but the ARE really big (and you can get MUCH bigger and more expensive than the basic $30 ones).
If you want to use the PSP as an MP3 Player (which is back on it's list of features again), you'll need to hook the Memory Stick up to your computer to load it up with MP3s, because you can't get MP3s onto the UMD disks.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on September 27, 2004, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: Chongman on September 27, 2004, 02:48:43 PM
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According to the Penny Arcade forum
whoa whoa whoa, it's the penny arcade forum. I dont know how much we can trust people who worship the likes of twisp and catsby and live in a forum with no rules :-P. jk
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 27, 2004, 03:22:58 PM
However, operating on the topic as if it IS in fact true, I don't think Sony respects Nintendo at all now. The PSP is direct competition for the DS yet they act as though there is no DS and they can price their system at whatever mark they want. As Marvin the Martian once said "This makes me very angry!"
Post by: Chongman on September 27, 2004, 03:27:56 PM
I'm starting to tell sony-fanboys and they're screaming at me like mad. LIKE MAD. It's fun to watch.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on September 27, 2004, 03:31:52 PM
You know, now that I think about it, it's pretty much true. But that kind of thinking will lead the PSP to failure. Because anybody can see that if the PSP is priced at $350 and they factor in that it is a handheld system, I can't see anyone paying that much for it.
Post by: HereticPB on September 27, 2004, 03:42:33 PM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on September 27, 2004, 03:50:24 PM
"really bad journalism". Yeah, that's it. Gamespot baka.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on September 27, 2004, 03:59:31 PM
Post by: Zach on September 27, 2004, 05:05:58 PM
Fortunatly it looks like nintendo will still have the handheld market by the balls for a little longer.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on September 27, 2004, 07:35:01 PM
The handheld market will be a true test for Sony, I won't deny that. But the PSP will have it's initial appeal to the market they are targeting. Will it be successful? Out sell the DS? Only time will tell.
Post by: Ian Sane on September 27, 2004, 08:56:01 PM
Actually they did... sort of. If Sega didn't make a 2D console with 3D capabilities thrown in at the last minute and Nintendo hadn't made a cartridge system Sony probably wouldn't have lasted five years. They got REALLY lucky. Both of their competitors f*cked up huge. The reason the PS2 is so successful is because of the Playstation name, the year head start, Nintendo's constant Cube related brain farts, and Microsoft's inability to break into Japan. The Playstation was in the right place at the right time and they've been riding that wave ever since. If the PSP is a success it will because of the Playstation name, NOT for any good reason. Sony so far has made virtually ever mistake other company's have made when trying to enter the portable market.
Post by: King of Twitch on September 27, 2004, 09:43:15 PM
GameSpot pulled a 'CBS.' If Nintendo were to release a handheld at $300, the media would have it on the front page, complete with editorials of how Nintendo is doomed and should go third party, etc.
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 28, 2004, 12:45:29 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"They didn't become #1 in the consoles wars for nothing."
Actually they did... sort of. If Sega didn't make a 2D console with 3D capabilities thrown in at the last minute and Nintendo hadn't made a cartridge system Sony probably wouldn't have lasted five years. They got REALLY lucky. Both of their competitors f*cked up huge. The reason the PS2 is so successful is because of the Playstation name, the year head start, Nintendo's constant Cube related brain farts, and Microsoft's inability to break into Japan. The Playstation was in the right place at the right time and they've been riding that wave ever since. If the PSP is a success it will because of the Playstation name, NOT for any good reason. Sony so far has made virtually ever mistake other company's have made when trying to enter the portable market.
I couldn't have said it better myself. (Which is why I didn't and quoted your post)
At any rate, best post ever.
Post by: Mario on September 28, 2004, 03:20:23 AM
Post by: odifiend on September 28, 2004, 04:33:56 AM
IMO, even 300 is ludicrous for a handheld and an impractical walkman. Oh and something that plays proprietary movies that I'll never be able to find.
"Sony are not targeting you people, ie: kids and college people. They are targeting people in the mid-20s and above who like to buying expensive gadgets and so forth."
I don't agree. The video game market is almost entirely comprised of teenagers and 'college people'. I don't think it would be worth Sony's while to make a gaming system they'll likely lose money on for maybe 10% of the gaming population.
Post by: joshnickerson on September 28, 2004, 04:53:18 AM
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If Nintendo were to release a handheld at $300, the media would have it on the front page, complete with editorials of how Nintendo is doomed and should go third party, etc.
Just what I was thinking... but then again, they do that every time Nintendo announces ANYTHING.
Post by: couchmonkey on September 28, 2004, 05:41:55 AM
I'm not sure what the answer is...this is the same mistake Sega made with its handhelds, but that was 10 years ago. My intuition says that a PSP costing over $300 U.S. will face some major obstacles.
Edit: And since this news has been squashed...I'm going to go back to assuming it will cost less than $300 until I hear otherwise from Sony itself. If this price was the actual price, Sony may reconsider based on the reaction from the public.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2004, 06:47:30 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on September 28, 2004, 07:24:26 AM
Post by: joshnickerson on September 28, 2004, 10:29:44 AM
If it succeeds, it will kill 2-D gaming for good.
Post by: Zach on September 28, 2004, 11:19:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Uncle Rich AiAi
keep this in mind: the GC is cheaper than the PS2. Did that result GC > PS2 sales? No. That proves people are willing to pay more for a console that costs more over a cheaper one.
yes the gc is cheaper, but you have to keep in mind that the PS2 was not sony's first system (thus the name PS2). With DS vs. PSP, sony is entering into the handheld world for the first time, and since handhelds are different from consoles, the Sony name alone may not be enouph for sony to beat the DS, but then again it may.
Post by: - NintendoFan - on September 28, 2004, 12:17:21 PM
Well, let's put it this way the Playstation name brand can't hurt them.
Post by: Pale on September 28, 2004, 01:25:50 PM
If the PS2 and x-box cost 470 dollars at launch i think it would be a little different...
Post by: Rancid Planet on September 28, 2004, 09:46:06 PM
If you go to this link HERE you will see two posters by the names of "penance" and "WhiteBoySushi" who say they are from the Torch The Bridge forums. They claim that this whole thing about the PSP costing 350 dollars was created as a hoax originally intended to only fool other TTB forum members but that it spun out of control.
They provide a link HERE that leads to a TTB forums page containg the annoucement as well as the now infamous removed Gamespot article that got this whole thing underway. It's dated Sept. 24th as you'll notice and this all lends credence to the theory that the entire nintendo fansite community has been had.
So what do you guys think? It looks to me like these guys might be telling the truth. Although I know I'm gonna be doing a lot more research before I commit to believing anyone's story.
Post by: KDR_11k on September 29, 2004, 07:14:54 AM
Pale: If? IF??? The XBox cost freakin' 480 Euros at launch! Granted, that was before the dollar dropped, but it was a few months later corrected to 300, same as the PS2's price at the time.
Post by: Uglydot on September 29, 2004, 11:33:22 AM
Post by: Pale on September 30, 2004, 03:11:30 AM
Post by: ichioko on September 30, 2004, 07:57:53 PM
For example, look at the GameCube. Most casual gamers and Sony fanboys have labelled it as a "kiddie" console, although Nintendo has stated they intend to appeal to gamers of all ages. This reputation of GameCube's "target audience" has not helped sales, considering most gamers today are not "hard core" gamers, and wouldn't be caught dead with a purple lunchbox that plays "kid's games".
Looking at the Playstation 2's success, it can be seen that its established base eclipses both the Xbox and GameCube. This is the key to Sony's success with their console. Because the PS2 has such a large user base, Sony does not have to rely on in-house games to push sales, but instead pushes a large number of third party games that appeal to a smaller fraction of the people who own a PS2. Sony is a company that works off of sheer quantity over quality to stay alive in this industry.
The bottom line is that the high price of the PSP should not be considered to have any sort of demographic, because if companies don't sell consoles, they limit who can buy their games. I see the speculation of the price point of $350 to be more of a realization by Sony, perhaps, that putting all those pretty specs and features in the PSP cost a lot of money. Money which Sony is not willing to lose at a rate that Microsoft has lost because of the cost of making Xboxes. The real challenge, therefore, is a tough balancing act of trading loss of profit on consoles with expected profit of licenced software, while maintaining an appeal to the majority of the handheld market. IMHO, Sony is relying on their name and the PSP's technical appeal to push a ridiculously expensive piece of hardware in a market which they have no idea how to approach. Anyone with a head on their shoulders shouldn't waste their money on buying a handheld PS2 (I can't really say portable, because it has been stated that the PSP is not meant to be played "on the go"). The real test is will the brand of Sony be able to overcome the already gigantic hurdles the PSP faces (price, battery life, funcitonality and value of extras like UMD movies and the ability to function as a quasi-walkman, and of course Nintendo)?
Post by: joeamis on October 01, 2004, 09:52:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"They didn't become #1 in the consoles wars for nothing."
Actually they did... sort of. If Sega didn't make a 2D console with 3D capabilities thrown in at the last minute and Nintendo hadn't made a cartridge system Sony probably wouldn't have lasted five years. They got REALLY lucky. Both of their competitors f*cked up huge. The reason the PS2 is so successful is because of the Playstation name, the year head start, Nintendo's constant Cube related brain farts, and Microsoft's inability to break into Japan. The Playstation was in the right place at the right time and they've been riding that wave ever since. If the PSP is a success it will because of the Playstation name, NOT for any good reason. Sony so far has made virtually ever mistake other company's have made when trying to enter the portable market.
So because Sony designed the best console last generation, got all the third parties to support it, and got many to make exclusives for the PS1, among so many other things, they became #1 for nothing? If the PS1 received more competition it still would've lasted more than 5 years, it's sold over 100,000,00 units for consoles alone.
Sony hasn't made every mistake other companies have made in the portable market...
Post by: Ian Sane on October 01, 2004, 10:00:33 AM
Had they done the exact same thing but Nintendo and Sega hadn't f*cked up they wouldn't be #1. They were in the right place at the right time. Third parties wouldn't have gone with an unproven newcomber if they weren't limited by the hardware of the N64 and Saturn. Final Fantasy VII would have been on the N64. Considering Square jumping ship is what caused all of the other third parties to follow and considering that game was the Playstation killer app I think it's fair to say that if Nintendo made a disc based system Sony wouldn't be #1.
Post by: joeamis on October 01, 2004, 10:09:35 AM
And yes it was Square's FF7 that got all the other third parties to jump onto PS1... Yes the game came out 2 years after the PS came out, and that made all the companies who already were not on PS goto them lol. The majority of companies were already developing and released tons of games themselves before FF7 came out 2 years later.....
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2004, 02:19:02 PM
Sony is having a Sony Dealer's Conference tomorrow
Gamefront.de
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Sony plant 'PlayStation Dealers Conference' / PSP-Preisbekanntgabe?
04.10.04 - Sony hat in Japan Einladungen für eine 'PlayStation Dealers Conference' an den Fachhandel verschickt. Die Veranstaltung findet drei Mal statt: Am 05.10.04 in Tokio, am 06.10.04 in Nagoya und am 07.10.04 in Osaka.
Geplant ist, Händlern das kommende Lineup für PlayStation2 und PSP vorzustellen. Möglicherweise wird Sony dem Fachhandel auch den Preis von PSP bekanntgeben.
NE1 care to translate?
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 04, 2004, 02:23:29 PM
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Does Sony plan 'PlayStation Dealers Conference' / PSP-Preisbekanntgabe?
04.10.04 - Sony sent in Japan invitations for one 'PlayStation Dealers Conference' at the specialty shop. The organization takes place three times: at the 05.10.04 in Tokyo, at the 06.10.04 in Nagoya and at the 07.10.04 in Osaka.
Planned is, to introduce dealers the coming Lineup for PLAYSTATION2 and PSP. Possibly Sony will announce also the price of PSP to the specialty shop.
Post by: Uncle Rich AiAi on October 04, 2004, 06:46:24 PM
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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Actually they did... sort of. If Sega didn't make a 2D console with 3D capabilities thrown in at the last minute and Nintendo hadn't made a cartridge system Sony probably wouldn't have lasted five years. They got REALLY lucky. Both of their competitors f*cked up huge. The reason the PS2 is so successful is because of the Playstation name, the year head start, Nintendo's constant Cube related brain farts, and Microsoft's inability to break into Japan. The Playstation was in the right place at the right time and they've been riding that wave ever since. If the PSP is a success it will because of the Playstation name, NOT for any good reason. Sony so far has made virtually ever mistake other company's have made when trying to enter the portable market.
Oh really? Yes, Sega and Nintendo made their share of mistakes as you listed, but Sony took advantage of it and released a system that was easy to develop for. joeamis said everything else I don't need to repeat.
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"Sony are not targeting you people, ie: kids and college people. They are targeting people in the mid-20s and above who like to buying expensive gadgets and so forth."
I don't agree. The video game market is almost entirely comprised of teenagers and 'college people'. I don't think it would be worth Sony's while to make a gaming system they'll likely lose money on for maybe 10% of the gaming population.
I didn't say whether targeting that age group will be successful.
Post by: Mario on October 04, 2004, 07:26:34 PM
PSP could be delayed to as far back as November 2005
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/04/news_6109524.html
Post by: ruby_onix on October 04, 2004, 10:07:37 PM
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Meanwhile, Piper Jaffray & Co. paints an even gloomier picture for the PSP's launch ambitions. In a report released today, the securities firm expects the handheld "to launch later than the current March 2005 expectation. First, Sony is usually late with most product introductions…and we are hearing that the platform has other issues such as thermal problems (transistors are running very hot) and a very short battery life (90 minutes) that will almost certainly delay the launch."
LOL!
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 04, 2004, 10:38:34 PM
Keeps ya warm, but not long enough.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2004, 12:20:51 AM
that picture of Reggie is kinda freaky
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2004, 12:40:08 AM
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I went to Sony's December retailer meeting... Tales (Rebirth), MGS3, Ratchet3, GT4, Kagerou2, FF&DQ Itadaki St., Gundam vs Z-Gundam, Kessen 3, Bleach (Jump Manga), DMC3, Capcom Fighting Jam, Simple 2000 Series... that just about covers it. There was no announcement of PSP price or release date.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 05, 2004, 07:27:20 AM
90 minutes?! There's no way Sony would be THAT dumb. I mean my parents who don't play videogames wouldn't design something with a battery life that short.
Still I find this all quite amusing.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 05, 2004, 05:28:15 PM
Translated from dutch:
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PSP, the new portable game system of Sony Computer Entertainment, would be able to make according to single game developers also a connection with the Xbox game system of Microsoft.
Post by: Chongman on October 05, 2004, 05:45:34 PM
highly doubt it
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 05, 2004, 06:20:36 PM
Oishii desuyo!
Post by: PaLaDiN on October 07, 2004, 08:23:13 PM
Post by: Mario on October 07, 2004, 08:44:09 PM
Post by: Mario on October 08, 2004, 05:17:27 AM
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This morning in Seattle, Nintendo made its most aggressive attack on Sony’s PSP project to date. Following months of staff members whispering to any member of the press that would listen, constantly sewing seeds of doubt regarding the Portable PlayStation, head of sales and marketing for the US, the infamous Reggie Fils-Aime, landed the first on-the-record blow.
“Let me tell you something,” bellowed Fils-Aime with something of a glint in his eye. “Those little women at the Tokyo Game Show with those portable consoles strapped to them… What you didn’t see is that those women were having to go recharge the batteries every two hours!”
Post by: couchmonkey on October 08, 2004, 07:07:37 AM
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Post by: Mario on October 26, 2004, 10:22:45 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on October 26, 2004, 11:04:17 PM
According to the Gaming-Age forums...
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PSP 19800 Yen
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/041027a.pdf
PSP + MS Duo + remote headphone = 24800 yen
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/041027b.pdf
And according to The MagicBox...
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- RUMOR: Unofficial reports from Japanese retailers stating that Sony will launch the PlayStation Portable in Japan on December 23, for 24,800 yen. The PSP package will include a PSP system (black), Memory Stick Duo 32MB, Battery Pack, AC Adaptor, Headphone with remote control, carrying puch and cleaner.
- RUMOR: There are 12 PSP titles at launch, including:
* Armored Core: Formula Front (From Software, 5040 yen)
* Dokodemo Issyo (Sony, 3990 yen)
* Everybody's Golf Portable (Sony, 5040 yen)
* Legend of Heroes: Gagharv Trilogy (Bandai, 5040 yen)
* Lumines (Sony, 3990 yen)
* Mojipittan (Namco, 4725 yen)
* Need for Speed Underground Rivals (EA, 5040 yen)
* Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory (Hudson, 5040 yen)
* Ridge Racer Evolution (Namco, 5040 yen)
* Sangokushi (Koei, 6090 yen)
* Tiger Woods PGA Tour (EA, 5040 yen)
* Vampire Chronicles: The Chaos Tower (Capcom, 5040 yen)
- RUMOR: In additon, here is of PSP titles with definite release dates in Japan
* 01/23/05 - Gran Turismo 4 Mobile (Sony, 5040 yen)
* 01/23/05 - Popolocrois: Prince Pietro's Adventure (Sony, 3990 yen)
* 01/23/05 - Final Fantasy VII Advent Children (Square Enix, 5040 yen)
* 01/24/05 - Puyo Puyo Fever (Sega, 3990 yen)
* Feb 05 - Metal Gear Acid (Konami, 5040 yen)
* Feb 05 - Tales of Eternia (Namco, 5040 yen)
Considering that SCEE's president suggested that the PSP hardware was going to cost around $450, I guess this means that Sony wants to play hardball, and they're gonna pull an XBox (maybe even teach Microsoft how it's done) and buy their way into the handheld industry.
Post by: Mario on October 27, 2004, 12:20:29 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 27, 2004, 05:04:26 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on October 27, 2004, 05:55:45 AM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 27, 2004, 12:42:42 PM
6 HOURS of gameplay, no thank you, if Nintendo DS could only pump out 6 Hours of gameplay I would be pissed off. The GBASP battery has given up on me when i haven't saved the game and that pisses me off but it hasn't done it much, because ive learned to save more often when batteries are getting low, plus the GBASP battery last a long time.
They improved on the movies but i still don't see ppl buying movies for their PSP instead of DVD. Heck its more likely that BlueRay Disc and HDVD Disc will have better sales.
I think in Japan PSP will sell very well, due to the fact it is more technology advanced and will have final fantasy advent children, but for the U.S. i seriously doubt it, because of the DS headstart is a lot larger in the U.S. Which makes me wonder if this is being rushed from Sony or Nintendo.
I know one thing though Nintendo sales of GCN + GBA + GBASP sales are greater than Sony's Ps2 and Ps1 sales. So if PSP can take away some percentage of the handheld market for a good amount of time then it will hurt Nintendo. Thats why Nintendo said if the DS doesn't do well it will hurt their company drastically.
Post by: Famicom on October 28, 2004, 06:38:13 PM
I think it's a little juvenile, but still funny.
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on October 28, 2004, 07:25:20 PM
REGGIE: "I EAT PSP FOR BREKFAST!"
Post by: KDR_11k on October 28, 2004, 09:31:53 PM
Last time I checked GT4 was a PS2 title and the PSP game was called GTMobile. Shows how much this guy really knows about his product.
Post by: ruby_onix on October 28, 2004, 10:59:54 PM
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In a very hillarious news report over at GameSpot, it looks like Sony and Ninty are getting down and dirty in a verbal slugfest over their new portables.
Ken Kutaragi made himself look like a desperate idiot by basically saying that the DS is going to be nothing but a Pokemon-machine, and then saying that the PSP is a way for you to pay $200 for someting you already have (a PS2).
Nintendo's PR guy seemed a little harsh saying that the PSP had no software, but if you look closer, it was the story's editor who specified which trade show the rep was talking about. If he was actually talking about E3, the Nintendo rep was going easy on Sony.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2004, 05:18:09 AM
Either way, GSI claims they know from a source in Japan that Sony's going to lose 350$ per PSP sold. Sounds like they're mimicking Microsoft there with the difference being that Microsoft is slightly more profitable than Sony. MS is making billions (8/a if I read that report correctly) and although they didn't like it, one billion off their profits isn't a major issue. Sony's financial report looks somewhat different, they had about 800M$ profit last FY, chop two billion off and you can spell "desaster".
Post by: Bill Aurion on October 29, 2004, 06:33:30 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2004, 06:53:51 AM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 29, 2004, 07:47:32 AM
$350?!! That's just insane. That's like "Sony leaves the console business" insane. Why would they do something so stupid? Some of us have suggested the idea that if Sony screws up with the PSP it might create an opening for Nintendo or MS to take the top spot in the console market. That was hopeful thinking at the time though now it looks very possible. If this is true that's just irrational panicky behaviour on Sony's part.
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 29, 2004, 09:08:20 AM
Their main objective is to make money off of the liscenses now and if the system doesn't sell then they won't make money off of new liscenses, and thats where Sony will be left open to a 1-2 punch by Nintendo and Microsoft. First being DS, second being Xbox2, or Xenon whatever the xbox2 is called. Lastly and hopefully the Knockout punch with the Revolution.
If you look at xbox when it came out, their system was defiantely around $500 if not more than that to make, and they had a Mexico production facility produce all of their systems, which prolly took some of the blow away from the costly system. Either way you look at it you lose money to make money, but for Microsoft's case that didn't turn out that well. Not to mention the downloading of complete games onto xbox hard drives, that my friend is laughable.
As for Ken Kutaragi he is a moron. In Japan Pokemon still sells like crazy, same in USA also. I believe that in japan and the USA the fire red and leaf green games both sold over 1 million copies, actually i think each game sold a million but im not too sure, prove me wrong.
It is the worst comment ive heard, Reggie pwned him.
This is almost like the 2004 presidential election, lol.
"When you cast a vote in a 2 party system, that's when you lose for sure" - Guttermouth
Post by: KDR_11k on October 29, 2004, 10:09:46 AM
I was thinking about this (warning: farfetched theories ahead!): Maybe Sony is really leaving the business, Microsoft is gaining momentum and might win the next gen and the japanese market is crumbling, dealing a big blow to Sony. Perhaps it's big enough that their games division wants to do a kamikaze attack: Sell the PSP at ultra low prices, deal a blow to Nintendo, make both companies unprofitable and go down with Nintendo. Killing both yourself and your enemy, devastating the market and leaving a big crater behind.
Another idea: To stop the PSP nintendo could invoke antitrust laws. After all, Sony is abusing their quasi-monopoly position to break into another market using dumping. These laws are there to prevent huge companies from taking losses to underprice their competitors and destroying any competition with smaller profit margins. I think it would really devastate Sony's game division if a court ordered them to price the PSP at 350$ and pay damages to Nintendo...
Post by: WuTangTurtle on October 29, 2004, 10:59:07 AM
First off Sony's Playstation Division is it's only profitable division. TV, Camera's, Stereo systems, u name it, all of their divisions have been falling off the profit charts. Why in the world would they try to destroy thier gaming division. Unbelievable. Aru u high KDR_11k?
Secondly Nintendo has 99% of the handheld gaming market. If anyone gets into monoply trouble its Nintendo. The DS is cheaper too. If Nintendo tried to push it they would lose and it would backfire on them forcing the DS to be $300 that way PSP can go to its real price $300-$500.
Post by: Ian Sane on October 29, 2004, 11:18:11 AM
I actually thought of that the second I saw the price. You legally can't take a huge loss just to run a competitor out of business. Though I doubt Nintendo would do anything about it unless it was really crippling them because Sony is a bigger company and the bigger company usually wins in court.
"Secondly Nintendo has 99% of the handheld gaming market. If anyone gets into monoply trouble its Nintendo."
Nintendo's monopoly isn't a problem because they're doing nothing to keep competitors out. Anyone can make a competing portable. The N-Gage isn't failing because Nintendo is using dirty tactics to kill it off, it's failing because it's a crappy product. So there should be no problems with Nintendo's portable monopoly.
Post by: Guitar Smasher on October 29, 2004, 02:04:27 PM
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I pretty much assumed that was at E3.
Either way, GSI claims they know from a source in Japan that Sony's going to lose 350$ per PSP sold. Sounds like they're mimicking Microsoft there with the difference being that Microsoft is slightly more profitable than Sony. MS is making billions (8/a if I read that report correctly) and although they didn't like it, one billion off their profits isn't a major issue. Sony's financial report looks somewhat different, they had about 800M$ profit last FY, chop two billion off and you can spell "desaster".
"As Sony's annual manufacturing rate is about 3 million PSP units, the company, for the next fiscal year, will ship 1 million units each to North America, Europe, and Japan. That, says Kutaragi, will be the break-even point for Sony's PSP to start making a profit." (from gamespot)
Only 3 million systems in it's first fiscal year? The PSP's gonna be a pretty rare product. Well let's do the math: how much does 3 million PSPs cost Sony if only one costs $350? About $1.05 billion. That's right, BILLION.
Now here's the funny part:
"But for the PSP, the company hopes to start turning a profit in the short term by releasing the handheld at a low starting price on its launch day." (again from GameSpot)
Here's an idea: hire an accountant. One billion dollars doesn't come out of just anywhere.
Post by: ruby_onix on October 29, 2004, 03:56:46 PM
Personally, I think a lot of it looks like BS and doubletalk.
It looks like he's basically saying that the PSP is this cheap because most of it's being made internally at Sony. So he's pretty much just telling us the "raw materials cost" of all the PSP's parts, and that he's going to chalk up the price of constructing all these new factories and labs as a seperate one-time loss (or "investment") which has absolutely nothing at all to do with the PSP. Because that's another department. Which is a stupid word game that couldn't have been done if more of the parts were outsourced.
Also...
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When planning for the PS2, Sony aimed to make a profit on the long term while gradually dropping the console's price. But for the PSP, the company hopes to start turning a profit in the short term by releasing the handheld at a low starting price on its launch day.
... doesn't seem to make any sense.
They're also saying that they'll eventually be able to order the screens in large volume, which will lower Sony's costs even more, but as I pointed out in that other thread, Sony's already doing that.
The battery life comments still seem like overinflated "best case" scenarios, but I think we got the only honest comment from Kutaragi when he said...
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“The Walkman only ran for about two hours when it first came out, too.”
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 29, 2004, 07:21:51 PM
Post by: Ian Sane on October 29, 2004, 07:52:00 PM
Yeah and the Walkman was a new idea at the time it was made. Guess what Sony, Nintendo's game portables have been around since 1989 with decent battery usage. It's pretty f*cking arrogant for you to make a comparison to the Walkman when the PSP is not a new idea. It's merely Sony's version of an idea that's been successful for 15 years. Nintendo had the battery issue in control since DAY ONE. So get off your f*cking high horse, Ken. All you guys have done is broken a concept that used to work.
Post by: McBane on October 30, 2004, 05:39:35 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 30, 2004, 06:56:56 AM
Post by: Ymeegod on October 30, 2004, 07:30:33 AM
What's funny about all this is the DS is only going get 6 hours of battery life on intense 3d games, hell nintendo stated as much (6-10) hours depending on app.
:0.
And nobody really knows the amount of what sony loses neither, just like with MS for that matter.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 30, 2004, 09:06:57 AM
Post by: boggy b on November 02, 2004, 08:50:50 AM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
6 hours with WiFi! WiFi is an enormous power eater, that's why nintendo developed their own protocoll to use when WiFi isn't absolutely required. The PSP will have maybe 2 hours with WiFi on.
Again with the assumptions.
Post by: odifiend on November 02, 2004, 10:02:44 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 02, 2004, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: Ymeegod on November 03, 2004, 06:07:06 AM
Nope, nintendo simply stated 6 to 10 hours depending on app. Sony simply stated 4-6hour depending on app.
Neither stated if that was with WiFi or not.
Post by: Bill Aurion on November 03, 2004, 06:25:48 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2004, 09:41:54 AM
Either way, Kutagari admitted that the PSP's battery life will be shorter than initially claimed, at least for first gen devices. Anyone still questioning where they saved money to bring the price down to 200?
Post by: Mario on November 03, 2004, 02:30:12 PM
Interesting article about Sony taking a big gamble with the PSP. Is it possible the PSP could be Sonys official screwup?
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 03, 2004, 08:13:28 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on November 03, 2004, 11:17:42 PM
Post by: WuTangTurtle on November 04, 2004, 06:52:40 AM
Post by: vudu on November 04, 2004, 11:47:03 AM
Quote$47 loss per unit is less than what most people around here have been estimating. I wonder where this number came from, what it's based on, and how reliable it is.
Every PSP unit sale is likely to put SCEI at least 5,000 yen (roughly $47) in the red, resulting in an estimated total loss between $75.4 million and $84.8 million in the second half of the current fiscal year, ending next March
Also, this means that they're estimating between 1.6 and 1.8 million units will be sold by March 2005.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 04, 2004, 09:44:59 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on November 13, 2004, 01:19:42 AM
"When it announced the final release date and price point for the handheld earlier this month, Sony said that only 200,000 PSP units would be available on launch day in Japan, with further shipments through the remainder of the month bringing the total for this year to 500,000 units."
"While it's possible that Sony's manufacturing processes haven't gotten up to speed yet, it's also possible that Sony is looking to make its promised 2004 launch for the hardware with as few units as possible, in anticipation of decreasing production costs in the next few months."
"The latter theory is backed up by reports from within Sony that suggest the PSP's production cost currently amounts to as much as $450 at current exchange rates."
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on November 13, 2004, 12:28:22 PM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 13, 2004, 06:24:22 PM
Post by: couchmonkey on November 15, 2004, 05:51:34 AM
But I think we're being a little too confident that Sony has screwed up. It doesn't make sense to sell the system at a huge loss in limited quantities, they could just push the price up by about a hundred bucks, I'm sure they would still sell those limited quantities and at a smaller loss (or maybe even a profit). Personally, I think Sony is losing money, but not enough to prevent it from selling a huge number of systems. If it doesn't want to sell a huge number of systems, then why release them at such a low price?
Then again, maybe Sony really has screwed up. That would be reassuring to me, if only because I don't want Nintendo to lose it's most profitable market.
Post by: MaleficentOgre on November 15, 2004, 07:26:05 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on November 17, 2004, 09:32:01 PM
Typically, if Sony is making a hardware product, they put some effort into using Sony-brand parts in the machine. One section of Sony will bill the other section for the parts, so there's really no "savings" in it, but it's more of a "keeping the money inside the family" kind of thing.
With the PSP, Ken Kutaragi has arranged for something like 90% of the parts to be made by Sony, and then ordered all the different sections of Sony to offer their parts to other Sony members at absolutely zero profit.
What difference does this make? Well, if every Sony branch were to bill each other at the full value, Sony would technically lose money on the PSP. This way, Sony in general loses money, but it's not the PSP that's losing the money.
That's detail is Kutaragi was shooting for. If everyone within Sony is playing along with his plan, then the PSP is only 20,000 yen, and at that price it'll "start turning a profit" after one year, and not be "losing money" at all.
If Sony was losing $265 on the PSP, they'd be "dumping", which is deliberately losing money in an attempt to drive their competitors out of the industry. This is especially frowned upon when you're trying to defend a monopoly, or expand from one monopoly to another.
One strategic problem with this plan is that "dumping" relies on your being able to kill off your competitors, so that you can later take over an entire industry unopposed, making back your money with an overpriced device at a later date. Nintendo will at least be competitive in the handheld arena for quite some time, and even if they weren't, there are always other groups trying to break into the industry.
Still, even if Sony only gets a hold of 50% marketshare for this generation, that would be considered a solid "breaking in", and could be worth it to Sony.
Problem is, Sony's gonna lose a lot of money all around, and the shareholders are going to want to know why, but Kutaragi can't explain the "dumping" plan to them, without getting in trouble.
Another problem with this plan is that Sony's divisions historically don't get along with each other. How will one of these divisions feel about making absolutely no money, perhaps even losing money, just so that another division can win all of the glory? Sure, they're under orders from Kutaragi to lose money, so they're not going to get fired over their lack of glory or anything like that, but how will their resume look compared to the guys in that other department after it's all said and done? IMO, the reports coming out about the "actual costs" of the PSP (which fit with all the "pre-announcement" rumors) are coming from these disgruntled divisions.
Plus, if the shareholders are on Kutaragi's back about the money losses, how long is he going to be able to hold off and not fire anyone from one of these "poorly run" unprofitable divisions? Any one of them could become a possible scapegoat at a moment's notice.
Also, of more concern to gamers, is that with the PSP's price being cut so close to the bone, there's almost zero chance of production costs coming down as the unit gets older. Obsolete parts don't suddenly become easier to make. It's mostly that as the hardware gets older, the guys making the parts can't get away with charging as much profit on them. So the PSP at 20,000 yen is basically it's "end of lifespan" price. The only way we're likely to see any price drops on the unit is if the PSP really does revolutionize the handheld industry like Sony keeps saying it will, and Sony earns $50-100 per unit in software royalties (which is high for a home console and unheard of in a handheld).
At least, that's how I think it's working right now. Feel free to point out any inaccuracies in my theory, expand on details you think are important, or bring up ideas that are completely different. I think I'm pretty close to the truth here, but I'm not trying to prove it to anyone (especially since this theory seems to be inherently unprovable). I'm just saying this because I've seen Sony fans get upset at parts of these suggestions.
Post by: ruby_onix on November 18, 2004, 02:58:20 PM
Personally I think there are a lot of flaws in that logic, but I figured I'd mention it.
Post by: KDR_11k on November 19, 2004, 01:14:26 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on November 27, 2004, 03:04:17 PM
http://www.jeux-france.com/news6987_psp.html
As far as I can tell, it's saying that PSP games will be 40 Euros ($53).
And that the hardware should be somewhere between 180 and 450 Euros ($239-597)!
Then they ask if people would prefer...
- The PSP by itself for 249 Euros ($330)
- A "128K Multimedia Kit" for 265 Euros ($352)
- A "256K Multimedia Kit" for 285 Euros ($378)
They describe the "Multmedia Kit" as coming with one of two different sizes of Memory Stick, a USB cable, audio/video transfer software, and wireless headphones. The protective case that's part of the Japanese bundle isn't mentioned.
That "128K" and "256K" for the Multimedia Kits is referring to Kilobits. Not even KiloBytes.
That's way too small for a Memory Stick, and Jeux France thinks it's an error. But I'm thinking that maybe SCEE decided to "simplify" things, and refer to the type of mp3 you can typically use with that kind of card? I dunno. Considering that these bundles seem to focus on pushing the PSP as an mp3 player, I think it makes sense.
They also say that the "128K" one can hold 60 songs, and the "256K" can hold 120, if that tells anyone anything.
Post by: Hostile Creation on December 13, 2004, 09:39:53 AM
Post by: couchmonkey on December 14, 2004, 05:44:26 AM
That's not to say DS will fail, either, but Nintendo now has a very serious fight on its hands, methinks. Here's hoping Nintendo can prove that the DS is truly unique, and can supply is with enough quality games to keep Sony at bay.
(Edit) Hostile Creation: The PSP is $185 US in Japan...if ruby_onix's numbers are correct, it looks like Sony is ripping Europe off.
Post by: KDR_11k on December 14, 2004, 05:54:55 AM
Post by: Savior on December 14, 2004, 06:54:39 AM
Gamespot said 90 minutes to 3 hours...
Which is terrible.
Post by: Caustic Saint on December 16, 2004, 09:57:34 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on December 16, 2004, 10:00:04 PM
I'm still waiting for a must-have game for it though, same as the DS.
In fact I think it's going to be a long time before I buy either one... mostly because I've got so many games to buy.
Post by: Renny on December 19, 2004, 07:49:46 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on December 19, 2004, 09:02:23 AM
Post by: Caustic Saint on December 19, 2004, 10:15:45 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2004, 10:03:54 AM
expect about:
3 hrs with wifi enabled
5 hours with moderate umd access (no wifi)
10 hrs of mp3 playback (screen off)
and 24hrs of sleep mode
all of these is with screen brightness at full (when screen is on)
and volume @ 100% (when used)
Post by: vudu on December 21, 2004, 10:05:06 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 21, 2004, 10:11:26 AM
Post by: Hostile Creation on January 16, 2005, 08:35:47 PM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on January 16, 2005, 08:53:38 PM
Post by: Renny on January 19, 2005, 06:21:03 AM
Post by: PJ gamer10 on January 20, 2005, 10:24:54 AM
Post by: calguy77 on January 23, 2005, 11:03:56 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on January 23, 2005, 03:47:49 PM
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2005, 08:11:58 AM
QuoteAnd you don't feel the need to inform them of their mistake? Cold.
I know the people at my gamestop that have preordered it think they're getting a mini ps2 that plays dvds. but hey whatever sells.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on January 24, 2005, 01:34:35 PM
great idea: Nintendo should start bundling a pen/stylus combo in every first party game. I know Japan is getting cool Kirby pens and such, but that would be a great way for Nintendo to get some better sized (and mcuh more collectable) styli out here in the USA
Post by: vudu on January 24, 2005, 01:46:47 PM
Apparently the Square button on 4,800 PSPs have been returned to Sony because they stick. But don't take my word on it, read the article. It's filled with such memorable quotes as:
QuoteAnd, my personal favorite (oh, if I didn't love my current sig so much):
"This is the design that we came up with. There may be people that complain about its usability, but that's something which users and game software developers will have to adapt to. ... The button's location is [architectured] on purpose. It's according to specifications. This is something that we've created, and this is our specification. There was a clear purpose to it, and it wasn't a mistake.
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I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 24, 2005, 04:12:02 PM
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I believe we made the most beautiful thing in the world. Nobody would criticize a renowned architect's blueprint that the position of a gate is wrong. It's the same as that.
to Quote PC-Engine from B3D Forums
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Heh it's not the position of the gate...it's the position of deadbolt that doesn't align with the hole on the frame therefore forcing you to push the gate harder in order for the lock to work.
Post by: Ian Sane on January 24, 2005, 08:19:14 PM
What a load of sh!t. Translation: we made a piece of crap portable but we're Sony DAMMIT and we do whatever we want so you'll just have to f*cking deal with it. Intentional my ass. So Sony this means that you're either lying about f*cking up or you're just really incompetant. So which is it? Liar or dumbass? Sony likely just made the mistake early on, hoped no one would notice, and are now acting like it was intentional in what is probably an attempt to justify not replacing defective units. I mean if a blatant error is intentional it's not a defect, right?
The thing that bugs me is realistically this won't do sh!t. Nintendo's too wimpy to manipulate this in their marketing and most people just plain aren't going to know. Sony has made worthless sh!tty hardware for two generations and people have just accepted it so they'll accept this too.
If Nintendo did this Sony would mention it in ads and every gaming journalist in the world would jump all over it. But because it's Sony it will slide under the radar.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 24, 2005, 09:00:21 PM
EDIT: Matching Sinfest comic.
Post by: ruby_onix on January 25, 2005, 12:14:57 AM
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Intentional my ass. So Sony this means that you're either lying about f*cking up or you're just really incompetant. So which is it? Liar or dumbass?
Have you seen the picture lately? It was clearly intentional. It took effort. They did it on purpose.
Kutaragi explained it right here:
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"I didn't want the PSP's LCD screen to become any smaller than this, nor did I want its machine body to become any larger."
1. Big screen? Check.
2. People said the plastic shell looked "sexy"? Check.
1+2 = Not enough room for buttons? Ehh.. who cares? Screw the buttons.
Launch system!!!
Edit: IGN PSP
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Kutaragi revealed that Sony Computer Entertainment does consider these button problems to be a manufacturing problem and will repair the systems. Of the current shipped PSP units, SCE has so far repaired 0.6% due to button problems.
LOL!
Sony repair = Open unit. Dislodge stuck button. Close unit. Put back on shelf for sale. Wait for it to come back again.
But you know, Sony really is right. I mean, 100% flaw rate = 0.6% bitching. You just know they've gotta be doing something right.
Post by: KDR_11k on January 25, 2005, 09:31:33 AM
Post by: MaleficentOgre on January 27, 2005, 04:16:10 AM
Post by: boggy b on February 03, 2005, 12:33:36 PM
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Originally posted by: MaleficentOgre
100% of psps are defective. a lot of people either haven't turned them in, or haven't mashed hard enough on the square button to cause it io stick.
Actually, no. 100% of PSPs are poorly mechanically designed, but currently only 0.6% are broken because of it. Technically, yes, I suppose you could call it a defect, but it will not manifest itself in every unit with the poor design.
Still, it is a bit of a stupid descision. A 3mm size increase would have sorted the problem out perfectly. It's a bit of a shame really.
Post by: Mario on February 03, 2005, 03:12:54 PM
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but currently only 0.6% are broken because of it.
No. A much higher percentage of broken PSPs exist than that, 0.6% broken PSPs have been sent into Sony and repaired.
Post by: ruby_onix on February 03, 2005, 03:34:09 PM
It's safer to just bring it to Sony and make them professionally "fix" your stuck button, but that takes too much time and effort, and PSP users have no regard for human life.
Post by: vudu on February 04, 2005, 08:57:37 AM
QuoteThe guy who posted this didn't back it up whatsoever. Has anyone else heard these figures, or did this guy just pull a bunch of random stuff out of his ass? I don't see how this could possibly be accurate, especially the part about the life expectancy of the analogue stick being 30 hours.
1 in 7 jap. psp have faulty buttons which sony can't yet fix
1 in 5 jap psp have defective batteries
1 in 18 jap psp have dead pixels or discolored screen problems
30 hrs is the ave. life expectancy of the psp's "analogue stick"
30 days is how long the buttons below the screen are warranteed by sony because of rampant malfunction
and to top it off: Sony states that the left trigger can be expected to not perform as well as the right trigger for some unknown reason that sony can not or will not disclose at the moment.
Post by: boggy b on February 07, 2005, 07:37:06 AM
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Originally posted by: MarioQuote
but currently only 0.6% are broken because of it.
No. A much higher percentage of broken PSPs exist than that, 0.6% broken PSPs have been sent into Sony and repaired.
And you do of course have the statistics from a reliable source to back your claim up?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 07, 2005, 10:54:18 AM
Post by: vudu on February 08, 2005, 08:07:10 AM
Post by: joshnickerson on February 08, 2005, 09:51:41 AM
I read on a portable site last year (I forget which) that said that the PSP UDM discs would "identify" themselves with only one PSP unit and then could not be played on any other. Basically, you could not trade games with a friend because your games would not work on his PSP and vice versa. Is this true?
Post by: Bill Aurion on February 08, 2005, 10:06:06 AM
Post by: vudu on February 08, 2005, 10:28:20 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on February 08, 2005, 12:11:45 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on February 08, 2005, 03:36:54 PM
har har
Post by: dmbfan755 on March 01, 2005, 04:38:00 AM
Post by: PJ gamer10 on March 15, 2005, 07:54:25 AM
Post by: SgtShiversBen on March 24, 2005, 07:56:21 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 24, 2005, 05:37:56 PM
I was just at my local EB, and there was no crowd. I think one person came in, excitedly bought a PSP, and ran off.
A mother was in there and thinking about getting a PSP. After a while of humming and hawing, one of the clerks said "Here, you can just try playing it for a while" and passed a PSP over the counter to her. The other clerk said a very hushed "What the hell do you think you're doing?" to the first guy, who responded "Ehh, who cares? It's just one of the dead pixel units."
After about five minutes, the mom gave the unit back, saying "Oh, I just don't know... How many of these do you have left?" The clerk said "Ummm... ahhh... maybe one... or two?" Then the mom said "So do you think I could sleep on it, and maybe come back tomorrow, and you'd still have one I could buy?" To which the clerk responed with a cheery "Oh sure! No problem. You could totally do that."
I almost broke out laughing. Basically, it seems that at least some retail outlets are under orders to pretend that there is a shortage of PSP hardware, even though they have an abundance, to try and generate excitement.
I went next door to Zellers and saw that they had a neat-and-tidy stack of at least a dozen PSP units behind glass at their videogame counter, with no noticeable interest in them at all (which is semi-typical for Zellers, but not really on a launch day).
Post by: Savior on March 24, 2005, 05:48:29 PM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 24, 2005, 07:11:22 PM
Some stores had a frenzy and sold out as quickly as they could humanly take money from people, while other stores apparently can't even give units away.
IGN PSP seems confident that the launch shipment will completely sell out once the people turned away from the "frenzy" stores find the units gathering dust at the "falling asleep" stores.
BTW, I just saw my first PSP television ad about half an hour ago. It's surprising that it took Sony so long. They put out "PlayStation brand" TV ads even when they don't have anything noteworthy to sell.
It has some homeboy (probably a drug dealer) strutting down the street playing a PSP. Then he starts morphing into videogame-esque characters, and breakdancing and stuff. He eventually morphs back into himself and sits down on a bus bench, where a businessman in a suit reading a newspaper appears to be impressed by this cool dude and his PSP.
Post by: Savior on March 24, 2005, 07:14:58 PM
It seems there are targeting the iPod crowd direcctly. Especially with the white earphones (for a black system?)
Post by: ruby_onix on March 25, 2005, 01:51:34 PM
In EB, the PSP was selling. There was a lineup. But, I think EB was deliberately trying to create that lineup, because the clerks were working sooo slooowwlyyyy. They were definitely trying to make it look busier in there than it really was.
And the clerks were selling the PSP hard.
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"Oh yeah, it can do anything. It's the most powerful hardware in history. Better than the Xbox. It can do pictures, mp3s, it can play DVD movies and PlayStation games. You can play games wirelessly against anyone on the planet, and they're about to announce that it's a free cellular phone."
^^^ I am seriously not joking.
Also...
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"You know, you're really lucky, because we have almost none of them left. Sony can't even make enough of them to satisfy the unprecedented demand. They're selling-out worldwide. If you don't buy one right now you won't get another chance to get one until after Christmas."
Also, they now had two PSP units sitting loose on the counter. I would've tried to look at one of them, if I wasn't worried that my arm would get bitten off if I had tried to reach through the lineup of grumpy, frustrated soon-to-be PSP owners. They really didn't look as happy as they should be.
Apparently SCEA is saying that they won't accept returns on dead pixel units. Dead pixels are just a "natural part of modern technology", thus, they're a natural part of the PSP. The pattern of dead pixels in your display is like your PSP's unique fingerprint.
Anyways, apparently this means that EB is stuck with the dead pixel units, because they have this thing where if you pay $5 when you buy a system, you can return it for whatever reason (whether Sony considers a dead pixel to be a "feature" or not). EB will probably try and push these units back out again as "preowned" units, to you better watch out if you're even thinking about getting a preowned PSP from EB.
Zellers next door had sold about half of their units (6 down, 6 to go).
My conclusion is that Sony shipped 1 million PSP units, and that's the extent of Sony's concern here. That's what they will be bragging about. I mean, hey, the retail outlets have already paid Sony for them, so technically they've all been sold. Many retailers are now stuck with expensive PSP units that aren't selling, but they will sell them, one way or another.
Post by: Don'tHate742 on March 25, 2005, 03:10:41 PM
And to think, Americans gobble up technology more than the Japanese, yet sales are worse out the gate. There's an ironic taste to all of this.
Post by: allcaps on March 26, 2005, 06:32:56 AM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Yeah. To elaborate, for those who are boy.
It has some homeboy (probably a drug dealer) strutting down the street playing a PSP. .
I really hope you aren't inferring that the guy was a drug dealer because he was black, which I'm guessing is what you mean by a "homeboy".
Post by: Renny on March 26, 2005, 07:41:28 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 26, 2005, 04:48:37 PM
I guess he might have been a pimp or something...
Post by: PJ gamer10 on March 27, 2005, 07:32:54 AM
Post by: allcaps on March 28, 2005, 07:04:06 PM
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Originally posted by: ruby_onix
He was black, wearing "gangsta" style clothing, and flaunting his wealth.
I guess he might have been a pimp or something...
I just saw the commercial. I'm guessing you've never seen a black person outside of TV in your life if you would call what he was wearing "gangsta style clothing".
Post by: Hostile Creation on March 29, 2005, 10:30:28 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on March 29, 2005, 11:16:49 AM
(Although I did honestly get the impression that was the image Sony was trying to shoot for, although I've only seen that commercial once.)
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on March 29, 2005, 01:40:10 PM
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Originally posted by: PJ gamer10
At my store we have had a few PSP systems brought back because of dead pixel issues. We did sell out of our stock though so we were not able to exchange it for them. we received 100 systems for our launch day. One thing i did notice was that people were buying the system and no games. I thought it was odd but some people were saying they did not want the same games as their home system. Many people just bought it because it had the Playstation name. Should be interesting to see how many systems we do get back because of faulty issues.
Sounds like a lot of those people thought it plays PS2 games.
Post by: Talon on March 29, 2005, 05:13:48 PM
a) Dont have the money to buy a PSP cause they already bought a DS or
b) People are happy with their DS and really arent interested in the PSP at this point in time or
c) People are watching how both the DS and PSP stack up against one another before they buy one
It will be interesting to see what happens later in the year towards christmas, then we will know which is the must have and which the must not.
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on March 29, 2005, 05:29:21 PM
who the F*%|< would make an RTS on the PSP, when they could make it 2wice as cool on the DS?
Post by: KDR_11k on March 29, 2005, 10:11:59 PM
Post by: Talon on March 30, 2005, 02:12:52 AM
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Originally posted by: Stimutacs Addict
the advanced media network just announced that there are 2 Command and Conquer games en route to the PSP, which got me thinking. . .
who the F*%|< would make an RTS on the PSP, when they could make it 2wice as cool on the DS?
Developers who think it would have more success on the PSP. Not to mention SONY would probably be paying EA big money to get these titles on the PSP. I agree with you that they would be better suited to the DS but money talks and bullshit (Command & Conquer on PSP) walks.
Maybe some sort of mouse peripheral is in the works for the PSP?
Post by: darknight06 on March 30, 2005, 03:11:20 AM
Post by: dmbfan755 on April 05, 2005, 09:50:32 AM
Post by: ruby_onix on April 07, 2005, 12:27:07 PM
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Pulling in more than $150 million at retailers across the country, the new handheld system outpaced every product sold in the time period, in addition to selling over 500,000 Value Packs in the first two days alone.
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"The launch of PSP was everything we hoped for, with extraordinary consumer demand driving sales of hardware units alone upwards of $150 million in first week sales, far and away above those generated by any other product in the space," said Kaz Hirai, president and chief executive officer, Sony Computer Entertainment America. "In only two weeks, PSP is having an immediate impact across the entire industry as consumers are clearly voting it the product of the year in 2005."
I also liked this part...
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"GameStop, Inc. has seen an extraordinary cross section of consumers come through our doors including hard core gamers, business men and women of all ages looking to get a PSP," said Dan DeMatteo, vice-chairman and chief operational officer, GameStop Inc. "The overall entertainment value of PSP is giving it a mass appeal beyond any other product we have ever carried."
Post by: ruby_onix on April 08, 2005, 03:01:19 AM
Everyone is doing the math and seeing that $150 million, divided by the $250 PSP, would be 600,000 units. And Sony said "over 500,000" units sold.
GameSpot even says "600,000" in the headline of their story on it.
But if you think about it, Sony didn't say that $150 million was just for hardware. Just that the PSP's launch "generated it".
Think about this for a second...
$250 PSP hardware times 500,000 units would be $125 million.
$50 PSP games times 500,000 units would be... $25 million.
Could the PSP actually be having an abysmal 1-1 tie ratio? Some people are buying the hardware with zero games. How many people bought a second game for their system when they were already shelling out $300?
Could be very interesting. I can hardly wait for the NPD numbers to come out.
Edit: Sony's official press release says that it "generated more than $150 million", but a little lower it also says that it did $150 million on "hardware units alone", so there goes my theory.
Post by: ruby_onix on April 10, 2005, 02:12:54 PM
I visited my local EB and Zellers on friday. Zellers was sold out of the last of their PSPs hardware, and they had shuffled some other product over to fill it's empty space (they still had a small section for PSP games). In EB, there was a bit of a scene, as someone who bought a launch day PSP was trying to return/exchange it because of dead pixels. The store was telling him "no", and he wasn't going to take "no" for an answer.
The manager had come out and was trying to get him to lower his voice. She was telling him "Look, I can take you into the back room and show you the email we got from Sony, telling us not to take back any PSPs that have dead pixels, because they aren't gonna give us a dime for them. Maybe if you had more than 14 dead pixels then we could help you, but as-is, Sony doesn't think that four of five dead pixels is going to interfere with your games."
The guy started saying "If I had gotten it from Future Shop instead of you, I bet I would've been able to return it." The manager took out her wallet and said "If I take that unit from you, I might as well just hand you $300 (Canadian) from my own wallet, because that unit's not gonna do me any good. I'm not going to do that. Maybe someone at Future Shop might do that for you, but I won't."
Then they guy started saying that he wanted the guy who was working the register on launch day to be fired, because he wasn't warning people, but the manager said that was ridiculous, and absolutely out of the question.
The guy eventually left, saying that he was never going to shop at EB again.
Someone came in a bit later, thinking about buying a PSP. They told him that it comes with Spiderman 2, which tells me that they're still working on selling their launch units. One clerk told the guy that it plays mp3s and DVD movies. They guy said "Whoa! It plays DVDs too?!?" The other clerk popped in with "Well, not exactly. Not ordinary DVDs. They have to be mini discs, otherwidse they wouldn't fit." The guy said "What? Minidisc? I have those. For my car stereo. They're great. I didn't think anyone else even knew what they were." To which the clerk had to respond "No, not 'Minidisc' mini disc. It's 'UMD'. Made by Sony." To which they guy said "Yeah, all my Minidiscs are made by Sony." The clerk said "No no, it's not the same thing. Sony decided to make an all-new format. Again. It doesn't work with anything else. Just the PSP." To which the guy said "Oh. Well that sucks."
Yesterday I went out to New Westminster (a suburb) and checked out another EB, a WalMart, and a Best Buy.
In EB, while looking over their games, I noticed that they had two PSP units in the glass cabinet behind the cashiers. Someone came up and asked if they had any PSP units left, and they said "Wow, your timing is great. I think we have ONE unit left. It's in the back of the store. I'll go get it." He went off, and he came back, saying "Yep, this is the last one that we have in stock." Meanwhile I'm just staring at the two behind the counter...
Over in WalMart they has around 20 PSP units in their videogame cabinet. Over in Best Buy, they must have had at least 50 units in a white-metal locking cage.
Post by: KDR_11k on May 06, 2005, 05:09:58 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on May 06, 2005, 02:44:28 PM
I'm not sure what to make of this...
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 06, 2005, 03:37:58 PM
Post by: Renny on May 06, 2005, 06:15:05 PM
Post by: stevey on May 09, 2005, 11:33:07 AM
I can buy a ps1 with a batty pack and bigger lcd widescreen for a $150 and game for 10. WHY it selling, why it selling?Didn't they say psp was backward captal with ps1 and play dvd a few year ago and now what? Rebuy it so sony get more your money.
PSP is more powerfull so was the n-gage but gba with 2d bet the 3d n-gage why don' the rule aply to sony? The ps3 is the same thing the neo geo did and they die and both were go for matur game.
am I not seeing something or did the world go crazy?
Post by: IceCold on May 15, 2005, 12:13:19 AM
However, the sales will slow down, and when titles such as Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Kirby etc come to North America, the DS should start to pull away. Another Code is a wildcard - I'm not sure if it will do too well, but it has potential
Post by: darknight06 on May 15, 2005, 06:31:03 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 15, 2005, 11:30:22 AM
not only can PSP run linux, but now it emulates not only the GBA, but can also emulate the SNES
PGC Forums
Post by: jasonditz on May 17, 2005, 07:48:05 PM
Post by: Robotor on June 02, 2005, 11:38:59 AM
All in all its an alright little system, except for one thing. The loading times are unacceptable, I shoulndn't have to wait 30-40 seconds to play another stage in mercury. One of my friends stated that the loading is because it "has to push superior graphics", which is BS. That and the battery life, even the owner of the PSP complained of this, and after I gave it back to him the battery died. Also the main menu is confusing, and not very user friendly.
The whole event made me happier with my DS purchase. Even though Mercury was really fun.
Post by: Darkheart on June 05, 2005, 06:19:55 PM
Though Sony's PSP is still a relatively new system in Japan, having been released merely six months ago, the sales numbers for the handheld's games have dropped to a dismal level. For the week of May 23, only four PSP games remained in Dengenki's top 50 sales rankings and none made it into the top 20. The disappointing figures are attributed to the market's lack of major spring releases.
During that same week in May, many hotly anticipated PSP games were released, such as Intelligent License, but the game only made it to 38th place on the Dengenki rankings. Derby Time, Dorasulot: Shuyaku wa Zenigata, and Minna no Golf Portable were the only other games to break into Dengenki's top 50.
On the other side of the handheld war, six Nintendo DS titles broke into Dengenki's top 20 list, although half of them were different editions of the same game--Nintendogs. Two DS games, SD Gundam G-Generation DS and (take a deep breath) Touhoku Daigaku Mirai Kagakugijutsu Kyoudoukenkyuu Center: Kahashima Ryuuta Kyouju no Nou o Kitaeru Otona DS Training, a brainteaser game, actually made it as far as Dengenki's top ten list. For you curious non-Japanese speakers, the title of the latter game roughly translates to Touhoku University's Future Technology Collaborative Research Centre's Professor Ryuuta Kawashima presents: DS Brain Training for Adults. After fitting that onto the box of the game, one can't imagine any sort of art or logo making it on as well.
Currently, Nintendo DS sales are beating out those of the PSP and PS2 in Japan. The PSP has 39 titles out on the Japanese market, 8 of which are first-party games. The Nintendo DS follows closely behind with 37 available titles, 14 of which were developed by Nintendo.
Article from RPGamer.com
It speaks for it self
Post by: ruby_onix on June 06, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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Sony has taken legal action against resellers flogging PlayStation Portable (PSP) devices ahead of the official 1 September European launch. The consumer electronics giant has sent "cease and desist" letters to grey market traders that are selling PSPs to UK punters after importing them from either Japan or the US, where the eagerly sought gadget is already on sale.
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The Japanese manufacturer is claiming infringement of Trade Mark. But one reseller at the receiving end of the legal nastygrams, ElectricBirdLand, claims that key technologies, trademarks and software utilised in Sony’s new portable gaming platform have not even been registered by Sony in the UK. For example, the PSP trademark has apparently been registered by a small Bristol-based IT and design firm, called Owtanet.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2005, 07:35:05 PM
QuoteBut what does this mean for Sony's PSP in the UK? They don't own their own trademarks? that can only spell one thing.......
Originally posted by: ruby_onix
Sony tries to choke off UK PSP importsQuote
The Japanese manufacturer is claiming infringement of Trade Mark. But one reseller at the receiving end of the legal nastygrams, ElectricBirdLand, claims that key technologies, trademarks and software utilised in Sony’s new portable gaming platform have not even been registered by Sony in the UK. For example, the PSP trademark has apparently been registered by a small Bristol-based IT and design firm, called Owtanet.
....DOOM for the PSP
....D.E.L.A.Y.E.D - Did I worry you with the DOOM link?
Post by: jasonditz on June 06, 2005, 07:52:55 PM
Like poor Mike Rowe, and his ill-fated software company.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 06, 2005, 08:02:34 PM
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Originally posted by: jasonditz
Not sure how they handle things in the UK, but if this were in north america, the small bristol-based IT firm would be forced into bankrupcy by the ensuing lawsuit for daring to use a three letter acronym that a bigger company wanted.
Like poor Mike Rowe, and his ill-fated software company.
I was gonna ask if this was that company that had trademarked the name Xbox, but then I decided to just Google it.
www.mikerowesoft.com
Post by: couchmonkey on June 10, 2005, 06:01:29 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 11, 2005, 12:27:09 AM
So far it looks like people are more interested in the homebrew applications than the games so maybe Sony will rip us off again by a huge margin to make up for their losses elsewhere.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 22, 2005, 08:42:11 PM
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Originally posted by: couchmonkey
September 1st, WOWSERS! That's a huge delay. A delay of N64 proportions! I don't think PSP will be too well off in Europe at that rate.
Thats probably also why they lowered their expectations for sales too
Less PSP's
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Nikkei BP says companies providing Sony with components for the portable had been told early in 2005 to expect orders for about 18 million units. However, during a meeting with its suppliers, Sony revealed its plan to manufacture 12 million machines. Nintendo is expected to manufacture over 20 million DS units over the next year.
Is PSP doesn't get a killer game soon I'm sure those expectations could drop much, much lower than they are now.
Post by: darknight06 on June 23, 2005, 11:14:07 AM
Well, apparently Coded Arms won't be helping their situation at all. (EGM scores Coded Arms - 4.0,6.0,3.5) Wasn't this supposed to be one of the big releases?
Post by: stevey on June 23, 2005, 12:12:25 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 23, 2005, 11:01:26 PM
Post by: Flames_of_chaos on June 26, 2005, 09:09:14 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 27, 2005, 04:50:30 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on June 27, 2005, 09:08:44 AM
Post by: stevey on June 27, 2005, 05:04:23 PM
Post by: nickmitch on June 27, 2005, 06:06:34 PM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on June 27, 2005, 06:45:29 PM
having said that, I think they're shooting for 3d gameplay (like 3, VC, SA)... but we all know worlds like that = constant loading= constantly streaming data from disk = lower battery life.
Post by: darknight06 on June 27, 2005, 09:19:18 PM
Which won't happen if the battery mandate is still in effect. Sure the game may be 3D, but it might not in the way we know it is.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 28, 2005, 09:36:32 AM
Post by: stevey on June 28, 2005, 03:21:50 PM
No the whole point of GTA is freeform gameplay. That and killing hoker for there money.
Post by: vudu on June 29, 2005, 09:14:45 AM
QuoteTechnically, it's your money. You just need to convince them to give it back to you.
That and killing hoker for there money.
Post by: nickmitch on June 29, 2005, 10:43:41 AM
Post by: Zach on June 29, 2005, 05:50:18 PM
Post by: IceCold on June 29, 2005, 08:54:43 PM
Post by: Zach on June 30, 2005, 09:57:58 AM
Post by: Deguello on July 02, 2005, 02:23:43 AM
According to EB, there are 14 titles coing out in July for the PSP, but only one is a game, that being Coded Arms. The rest are UMD movies. I'm not really su- Wait a sec! Only one game is out for the PSP in July?! Holy crap! What a problem!
Here's hoping IGN gets to the bottom of this maddening oversight with some hard-hitting investigative journalism and some tough questions to a Sony executive.
Post by: Cap on July 04, 2005, 10:28:32 AM
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Originally posted by: Deguello
Could someone get Sony on the phone and tell them that the PSP is a video game device?
According to EB, there are 14 titles coing out in July for the PSP, but only one is a game, that being Coded Arms. The rest are UMD movies. I'm not really su- Wait a sec! Only one game is out for the PSP in July?! Holy crap! What a problem!
Here's hoping IGN gets to the bottom of this maddening oversight with some hard-hitting investigative journalism and some tough questions to a Sony executive.
If i could sell movies for more than the cost of a dvd(at least where i live, around $25-30 cdn), i'd be sure to release as many as i could too. That being said, I really dont understand why anyone would buy movies for the thing.....
Post by: nickmitch on July 04, 2005, 01:25:33 PM
Post by: Deguello on July 12, 2005, 05:55:54 AM
What market does Sony think they are in?
Post by: IceCold on July 12, 2005, 08:41:15 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 12, 2005, 09:02:25 AM
Post by: nickmitch on July 12, 2005, 10:45:01 AM
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to program my Sony Clock/Radio to tape my soap operas and upload the pics that I took on it to my Sony Lamp, which I have to program to wake me up in the morning and set my station pre-sets on it.
P.S.: Run-on sentences are fun!
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 21, 2005, 09:08:23 AM
New SCEJ PSP games:
Fukufuku Island
ByteHell2000
Rogue Galaxy (PS2) site pre-open:
fukufuku island...... I think there will be a name change b4 a US release
a pertty new white PSP is to be released w/ a firmware update of 2.0, Personal TV, Movie playback support from MS @ UMD quality, 'jump to' feature for UMD movies, customizable backgrounds, and a new official browser is being released.
White PSP 2.0
More Pics
oh and I hear that Brain training is getting a PSP release (not developed by Nintendo?)
Post by: Deguello on July 21, 2005, 09:58:55 AM
Another game the PSP SHOULD have but doesn't. When is Sony going to announce a game that I specifically want? That is the only way that they can receive success through my eyes. </ian>
Post by: stevey on July 22, 2005, 06:35:37 AM
I hope nintendo steal I mean copy those idea for the gbc no that dosen't work... gb³ they copy the face plate.
Post by: Deguello on July 22, 2005, 11:51:51 PM
EDIT: OH, apparently the game is called "Work your Brain", it's made by Sony, and is a cheap knockoff of the successful DS game But it probably won't do as well as DS Brain training.
Post by: KnowsNothing on July 23, 2005, 04:55:24 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 23, 2005, 05:09:42 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on July 25, 2005, 07:11:51 PM
when the hell is nintendo going to do something about this? I know they could release a similar update that could allow us to use our DS's as PDA/web browsers... let's face it; the DS is better suited for web browsing and PDA applications. If nintendo doesnt upgrade DS firmware / pipe Pictochat through the WiFi connection then PSP is going to make some major bounds in the USA. kids will eat this shtuff up
Post by: nickmitch on July 25, 2005, 07:15:24 PM
Post by: ShyGuy on July 25, 2005, 08:51:42 PM
BTW, have you guys seen the previews of the Animal Crossing rip-off coming out for the PSP? I expect PSP Virtual Pets sometime in 2006.
FukuFuku no Shima
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 26, 2005, 01:25:13 AM
So uhh thanks for a link with more info(in english at that
)
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 26, 2005, 06:10:02 AM
Still waiting for something to wow me...
Edit: And I'm not sure I understand this firmware business. So people who already own DS's are stuck with WLAN PictoChat unless they buy a new one (assuming a firmware update makes online PictoChat possible)? They should release patches through Wifi...
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 26, 2005, 08:33:13 AM
Post by: vudu on July 26, 2005, 08:55:59 AM
Post by: stevey on July 26, 2005, 11:08:04 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on July 26, 2005, 04:24:36 PM
I have no doubt that PSP's going to have some great games, but I'm still waiting...
Of course I'm still a DS fanboy.
Judging by stevey's love for family guy and nack for misspelling I'm thinking that his name is Stewie, and he misspelt it.
EDIT: I WAS RIGHT.
STEVEY SEZ: "Family guy the movie is most likly going to be good because they can use all the jokes they couldn't because of the fcc and maybe nudity. I just hope they say stevie g@y he 1 what do you think he is 20 he see boobies and hes see food."
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on August 22, 2005, 08:24:21 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on August 22, 2005, 10:32:35 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on September 01, 2005, 06:04:51 PM
i didn't even realize that people were still buying the PSP.. it just seems like such a non-factor (maybe I'm too caught up in meteos)
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 06, 2005, 09:08:40 AM
QuoteThe Chart
Sony’s new PSP console has sold an estimated 185,000 total market hardware units in its launch week, outdoing Nintendo’s DS (87,000 units at launch) to become the most successful UK console launch ever. 24 games were available at launch, the largest for any console, with 20 entering the All Formats Top 40 and 9 games breaking into the Top 10. Games were priced at £34.99 with the console itself retailing at £179.
Sony PSP takes over the All Formats chart this week with the biggest software launch for any console. 20 out of the 24 PSP launch titles enter the All Formats Top 40 with Sony’s ‘Ridge Racer’ (PSP) topping the list, knocking Codemasters’ ‘Brian Lara International Cricket 2005’ (PS2/XB/PC) down to No2 and becoming not only the fastest selling PSP game but also the fastest selling Ridge Racer game across any format. 1 in 5 people who bought a PSP game bought ‘Ridge Racer’, but it was over 6 years ago since a Ridge Racer title reached number 1 in the All Formats chart with Ridge Racer Type 4 (PS1) back in week 17 1999. ‘Brian Lara International Cricket 2005’ is the only non-PSP game in the Top 10 with PSP games filling all the remaining Top 10 positions and Sony claiming the top 2 PSP games with ‘Wipeout Pure’ (PSP) entering the All Formats Chart at No3. Sega’s ‘Virtua Tennis’ and Konami’s ‘Metal Gear Ac!d’ debut at No4 and No5 respectively, holding off EA’s big PSP release ‘Need for Speed: Underground Rivals’ which is a new entry at No6. The most popular type of PSP game is racing with 5 racing games in the Top 10 PSP chart, including ‘Toca Race Driver 2’ at No6 and ‘Midnight Club 3: Dub Edition’ at No7, while out of the 24 PSP games released, 5 are new IP. Non-PSP new releases are eclipsed by the dominance of Sony’s new console with Novalogic’s ‘Delta Force: Black Hawk Down’ (new this week on XB and PS2) debuting at No1 in the Xbox Chart, but only reaching No15 in the All Formats Top 40. Microsoft’s new RPG ‘Dungeon Siege II’ also suffers the same fate, reaching No1 in the PC Full Price Entertainment Chart, but only No33 in an All Formats Top 40 where half of the games are new PSP titles.
That is quite impressive for the PSP, wonder if it will hold up, and will the games keep selling, or will movie sales take over......
Post by: KDR_11k on September 06, 2005, 10:00:17 AM
Either way, I doubt this'll hold up for long. There aren't any more games coming to Europe than the US so even the UKers will find out they're not getting a lot of play from their portable station.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 14, 2005, 03:03:22 PM
Post by: PaLaDiN on September 14, 2005, 04:41:14 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on September 16, 2005, 10:02:55 AM
Whooo
if you think you were a geek b4.....
using this in public will remove all doubt.
Post by: Toruresu on September 16, 2005, 10:18:02 AM
So you put your face there, and hold it in place, while playing and touching the buttons. Ahh...maybe is to create a cinema experience for the UMD movies.
Post by: vudu on September 16, 2005, 10:52:27 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on September 16, 2005, 01:00:27 PM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on September 16, 2005, 02:38:30 PM
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Post by: vudu on September 28, 2005, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: Nephilim on September 28, 2005, 09:10:53 AM
people will proberly just buy this new battery, if the one they have now starts running out
Post by: KDR_11k on September 28, 2005, 09:03:40 PM
Post by: vudu on September 29, 2005, 08:59:04 AM
Post by: Artimus on October 01, 2005, 09:00:03 AM
"And what about battery life? According to Rockstar, we should be able to squeeze about four hours of gameplay on a single charge."
Four hours? Ew?
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 01, 2005, 12:34:54 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 01, 2005, 11:37:24 PM
Post by: nickmitch on October 02, 2005, 04:11:52 AM
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Post by: stevey on October 04, 2005, 11:20:42 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 04, 2005, 12:03:37 PM
Post by: TMW on October 04, 2005, 12:32:44 PM
Really, it just bricked your system.
Seriously, do people get off on this sort of thing?
Post by: nickmitch on October 04, 2005, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 04, 2005, 05:50:04 PM
Post by: KDR_11k on October 05, 2005, 12:14:20 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on October 05, 2005, 10:33:14 PM
Post by: nickmitch on October 07, 2005, 04:30:02 PM
Sony better offer to fix those for free.
I'm so glad I'm waiting until someone just hands me a PSP for free to get one.
Post by: stevey on October 07, 2005, 04:36:49 PM
sony doing it for free lol sony will say it's your falt and make you buy a new one.
Post by: nickmitch on October 08, 2005, 02:31:45 PM
Post by: Zach on October 08, 2005, 05:47:33 PM
Post by: Artimus on October 08, 2005, 06:20:43 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 08, 2005, 07:06:17 PM
4GB PSP HD w/ built in 3600mh X2 battery power
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Datel have done it again! This is truly what all PSP owners have been waiting for! 4GB of storage! Up until now, the largest storage that has been available to PSP owners was the 1Gb Pro Duo Memory Stick. Then within the last week or so, we have seen the emergence of the 2Gb Memory Sticks, with their large price tags! However Datel are always on the lookout for the next exceptional console-related product. One of the first major products for the PSP from Datel was the X2 battery - with this you could double the playing time of your PSP.
And now they have gone one step further!
4x the memory(of 1GB MS ProDuo) and 2x the battery life, but thats not all...
also get a Max media get connected cable and software, which are all included and for less than the price of a 2GB MSPD or two 1GB MSPD
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 09, 2005, 05:49:22 AM
I know what I'm asking for christmas...50 some songs isn't enough. Bagh
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on October 09, 2005, 10:34:30 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2005, 10:39:50 AM
Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 09, 2005, 11:15:50 AM
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on October 09, 2005, 12:35:11 PM
Quote
Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Er...150 GBP is close to 260 USD. So it actually costs more than the PSP itself.
Ah, I didn't notice that.
So, it costs as much as a 4 Gig iPod nano (not including the PSP itself).
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2005, 12:38:30 PM
QuoteOoops, had my monetary region wrong
Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
Er...150 GBP is close to 260 USD. So it actually costs more than the PSP itself.
Post by: Grant10k on October 09, 2005, 06:37:40 PM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 09, 2005, 06:53:21 PM
Post by: Artimus on October 24, 2005, 04:33:13 PM
IGN gives it a 9/10. The lowest score of the GTA games yet, but still very strong. 1UP and the Official Playstation Magazine give it the same. EGM gave it a %91.7. Good reviews.
Post by: wandering on October 25, 2005, 05:19:19 AM
Seriously, there's no way a single game will change the PSP's fortunes. As strong as GTA is, it's no match for the waves upon waves of titles that are filling the DS's rosters.
Post by: KDR_11k on October 25, 2005, 08:14:37 AM
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on October 25, 2005, 09:31:05 AM
we should be thanking Apple for putting an ipod in everybody's hands... without the ipod mini and now nano, people would be buying many more PSPs, methinks
Post by: wandering on October 25, 2005, 10:17:30 AM
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we should be thanking Apple for putting an ipod in everybody's hands... without the ipod mini and now nano, people would be buying many more PSPs, methinks
Don't forget about the ipod video - which pretty much just destroyed any remaining reasons one might've had for wanting to own a psp.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 25, 2005, 11:30:45 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
Don't forget about the ipod video - which pretty much just destroyed any remaining reasons one might've had for wanting to own a psp.
except for the games, its all about the games, right? (that is its(psp) primary reason for existence right?)
Post by: wandering on October 26, 2005, 01:04:59 AM
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In March of this year, Kaz Hirai told attendees at the PSP launch party: “If someone told you that the PSP is a portable gaming device, shoot these people. The PSP is not a portable gaming device, it is really a convergent portable entertainment device.”
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on October 26, 2005, 01:35:53 AM
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Originally posted by: wandering
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In March of this year, Kaz Hirai told attendees at the PSP launch party: “If someone told you that the PSP is a portable gaming device, shoot these people. The PSP is not a portable gaming device, it is really a convergent portable entertainment device.”
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*reaches for bulletproof vest*
Post by: TMW on October 27, 2005, 08:49:05 AM
Seriously. How can be people still buy their bullcrap?
Erm...and I mean, the stuff that comes out of the mouths of the higher ups, not the merchandise.
Post by: Chris1 on October 27, 2005, 01:42:44 PM
Post by: Zach on October 28, 2005, 09:58:25 AM
"We guarantee that each of the console manufacturers will continue to beat the 'this is not a game console' drum loudly over the next year as they launch their new game devices. Will any of them succeed at capturing the mass market this time around?"
Well it sure is obvious that the writers of that article havent even listened to ANYTHING nintendo has said.
Post by: stevey on October 28, 2005, 12:21:53 PM
only Kutaragi OD-ing and dies is funnier
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Post by: kirby_killer_dedede on October 31, 2005, 12:16:26 PM
That's 100% factual. Considering each load screen is 30-45 seconds it takes around 4-5 minutes to actually get the game going after you turn on the PSP. That's ridiculous.
Post by: nickmitch on October 31, 2005, 12:49:48 PM
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Originally posted by: kirby_killer_dedede
For Ape Escape PSP, there's literally a load screen for the title screen, then a load screen for another load screen for a menu that takes you to a load screen that takes you to the level-chooser place that takes you to another load screen that takes you to the actual game that will probably lead you into a room which will prompt another load screen.
That's 100% factual. Considering each load screen is 30-45 seconds it takes around 4-5 minutes to actually get the game going after you turn on the PSP. That's ridiculous.
*Kisses DS cartridge*
Post by: Stimutacs Addict on November 07, 2005, 08:09:09 AM
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Post by: KDR_11k on November 08, 2005, 07:31:40 PM
Which of course makes you wonder why exactly they need to split an online document into multiple pages. The answer is obviously so they can put more ads in there.
Post by: Spak-Spang on November 09, 2005, 06:48:31 AM
IGN used to have reviews that were 2-3 pages long. Perhaps 4-5 on BIG games like Zelda OoT, Grand Theft Auto, and the Final Fantasy stories.
Now the Reviews are too long to read, and when you do take the time to read them you realize they are recycling information from their previews to make the reviews so long...sometimes they don't even rewrite that information.
A video game review should be short and sweet. Touching on everything you need to know but not going into extreme detail.
Post by: Darkheart on November 09, 2005, 08:44:16 AM
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 15, 2005, 08:24:34 AM
Badly hand drawn pencil sketch cartoon
Dustball 1 - :rolling across the carpet:
duh duhduh
:rolls up to dustball 2:
HEY!!! were gonna roll outside, wanna come?
Dustball 2 - I can't, I'm watching carpet.
Dustball 1 - Owww, but there is portable carpet.
Dustball 2 - You got to be kidding
Dustball 1 - Hey, hey, hey, have you ever heard of dustball kid?.
Dustball 2 - Not really.
Dustball 1 - Well believe me when I say there is carpet you can watch OUTside
:rolls away: Duh duhduh duhduhduhdun
Announcer - PSP, its like carpet, you can watch outside
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what the hell is that supposed to mean? Am I supposed to want a PSP after watching that or am I supposed to want to vacuum my carpet? I am confused...
Post by: KDR_11k on December 15, 2005, 08:29:57 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 15, 2005, 08:37:28 AM
S1 - "come out and play"
S2 - "I can't, I'm playing NUT"
S1 - " but theres portable NUT"
S2 - "WHAAAAAT"
S1 - "Yeaaah, it a NUT you can play with outside"
Announcer - "PSP, its like a NUT you can play with outside"
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I wish I was making this up, but I've always thought my imagination was alot more creative than this...
Post by: stevey on December 15, 2005, 11:37:52 AM
Post by: KnowsNothing on December 15, 2005, 11:49:55 AM
I'm shocked!
Post by: KDR_11k on December 16, 2005, 05:15:51 AM
Post by: Pryopizm on December 29, 2005, 12:31:46 AM
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Originally posted by: darkheart
Ok first of all, I can see no one read reviews.................... As far as I have heard the loading is not much, only between the 2 parts of the city and even that is pretty quick. I was going to read the full review on IGN but it was like over 6-7 pages long which in my opinion is a novel not a review but anywhooo.... All of the reviews gave it good numbers. As far as sales go tho I don't know, I don't keep up with those things.
I'm new to the forums side of PGC, so forgive my late reply, but that is hilarious. IGN was the first site I found when I got back into gaming and I love it to death, but the reviews were mind-boggling to me. I felt as if they used the manual as a checklist and reviewed every single aspect. I can only assume IGN writers get paid by the word.
Post by: Spak-Spang on December 29, 2005, 04:08:31 AM
Sometimes advertisers get the idea that all they need is something catchy and funny, but its not true.
The Taco Bell dog never increased Taco Bell's sells at all while the commercials were running. Eventually Taco Bell decided to change advertising commercials because of it.
Post by: Renny on December 29, 2005, 05:19:38 AM
Post by: odifiend on December 29, 2005, 07:05:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
The Taco Bell dog never increased Taco Bell's sells at all while the commercials were running. Eventually Taco Bell decided to change advertising commercials because of it.
Actually Taco Bell got complaints from some of the Hispanic community that they were being stereotyped and pulled it. Perhaps that was a factor though.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on December 29, 2005, 07:38:17 AM
QuoteI think they had to advertise it that way because they didn't have any actual games to show off on the system. They should continue to market the PSP to the crowd that thinks it plays regular PS1&2 games and DVD movies, that why so many people bought it in the first place.
Originally posted by: Spak-Spang
I thought those commercials were funny. But I didn't want to buy the PSP after watching it. I didn't even know what the PSP did after watching it.
Post by: Sir_Stabbalot on December 29, 2005, 10:06:11 AM
Post by: darknight06 on January 09, 2006, 01:01:43 PM
GTA Liberty City Stories to head to current gen platform.
Yeah, if you bought a PSP for it you'll be able to play it right now but man that sucks if that was the only reason you got it.
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Post by: KDR_11k on January 10, 2006, 06:29:18 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 10, 2006, 07:50:43 AM
QuoteOr can you?
Originally posted by: KDR_11k
You can't play the Rev on a train.
Post by: couchmonkey on January 10, 2006, 09:12:44 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 02, 2006, 01:08:51 PM
We know Sony loses money for every PSP sold, we know UMD movies are slowly becoming unsupported due to lack of sales, and PSP games sell even less than the movies. The last positive income for Sony directly related to PSP is the increase in Memstick sales.
SD cards are cheaper, and now that an adapter exist, do you think people might start abandon the still overpriced(compared to the competition) memstick even though they have come down in price?
PSP, Its like seaweed you can watch outside
Post by: TrueNerd on April 02, 2006, 07:53:27 PM
Post by: wandering on April 02, 2006, 08:49:46 PM
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I don't think it's bad. After all, the PSP is a portable. If Nintendo made a graphically enhanced port of MKDS for the Rev would that hurt the DS? No. You can't play the Rev on a train.
This is the whole logic behind the psp...and personally, I don't think it holds. PSP supporters say it doesn't matter that the psp doesn't have any original games, because you're paying for portability. I say I want original games and don't want to pay for the same games twice.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 02, 2006, 09:57:18 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 03, 2006, 08:12:48 AM
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Originally posted by: animecyberrat
well I am going to get a psps eventualy just because it loosk cool and can do all kindsof other neats tuff, but I am going to buy mine used or refurbished so I garuntee Sony doesnt get any of my money for it. Same thing Id id for Ps2 I got one lst year used then sold it for more than we paid for it, toa guy whos ps2 broke down recently. ok IOw s kidding baout getting a psp it sucks and I hope it kills sony.
Save your money and buy a portable DVD player. They're cheaper and tend to have lovely clamshell designs to protect the screen.
Post by: animecyberrat on April 04, 2006, 03:10:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Smash_BrotherQuote
Originally posted by: animecyberrat
well I am going to get a psps eventualy just because it loosk cool and can do all kindsof other neats tuff, but I am going to buy mine used or refurbished so I garuntee Sony doesnt get any of my money for it. Same thing Id id for Ps2 I got one lst year used then sold it for more than we paid for it, toa guy whos ps2 broke down recently. ok IOw s kidding baout getting a psp it sucks and I hope it kills sony.
Save your money and buy a portable DVD player. They're cheaper and tend to have lovely clamshell designs to protect the screen.
did you not read last sentance
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2006, 06:05:47 PM
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 04, 2006, 06:18:31 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I don't think it's bad. After all, the PSP is a portable. If Nintendo made a graphically enhanced port of MKDS for the Rev would that hurt the DS? No. You can't play the Rev on a train.
Thing is, a Rev version of MK will not be MK DS. It would be it's own version of MK (MK Rev, of course). This isn't the case for GTA:LCL. They're putting the game on the PS2 because Rockstar needs the money and it isn't selling on the PSP.
Also, I don't buy the train bit. I'm sure if you did a poll you'd find that the MAJORITY of people who own a DS play it in their own home (mostly in the bathroom, but that's beside the point). I can almost guarantee this because the easiest place to find a wifi network which is both free and reliable is in your own home, and we all know how popular wifi is. This makes the "you can play it on a train!" argument far less persuasive. The most fun I've had with my DS is in my own home, period. I'd almost go as far to say that the DS is neutered without wifi.
GTA was supposed to be the REASON to buy a PSP, and it must have failed because the sales were so horrid that Rockstar is porting the game to the PS2 in an attempt to recoup development costs. This is not a "We figured we'd port it anyway." ordeal. This is "We need to recoup losses!", especially since Rockstar is hurting from when their stock plummeted during the hot-coffee fiasco.
You don't see Nintendo rushing out to port Nintendogs to the GC (with Mario Party's mic), nor Brain Age, Hunters, Tetris, etc. I'm quite certain that the GC's network adapter could connect to the same servers as wifi. But these titles aren't being ported because they're selling on the DS, thus there's no need to attempt to recoup any losses.
This is a desperation move on the part of Rockstar. The fact that GTA can't even sell PSPs means that either GTA or the PSP is doomed. Could be either one, and the sales of LCL on the PS2 will probably answer that question for us.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 05, 2006, 12:41:34 AM
If LCS is not GTA3, how is it not the PSP's own version of GTA? Okay, so it's getting a port. BFD, doesn't make it any less of an own version. But meh, I'll start caring when I hear about Capcom bringing Rockman Rockman to the PC.
Also, I don't buy the train bit. I'm sure if you did a poll you'd find that the MAJORITY of people who own a DS play it in their own home
Their choice. It's like buying a laptop and only using it at home. I'm using my DS almost exclusively in a train or at the university when I'm waiting.
You don't see Nintendo rushing out to port Nintendogs to the GC (with Mario Party's mic), nor Brain Age, Hunters, Tetris, etc. I'm quite certain that the GC's network adapter could connect to the same servers as wifi. But these titles aren't being ported because they're selling on the DS, thus there's no need to attempt to recoup any losses.
Advocatus Diaboli: Well, it's not like the games would have a chance of selling any better on the Cube, after all it's Nintendo's worst selling system recently.
Post by: Smash_Brother on April 05, 2006, 09:44:54 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k If LCS is not GTA3, how is it not the PSP's own version of GTA? Okay, so it's getting a port. BFD, doesn't make it any less of an own version. But meh, I'll start caring when I hear about Capcom bringing Rockman Rockman to the PC.
The point is, they wouldn't port it if it was selling enough copies on the PSP that a port wasn't necessary to recoup expenses.
More to the point, they wouldn't be porting it so very early after its launch on the PSP. That's what gives it away the most in my mind.
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Their choice. It's like buying a laptop and only using it at home. I'm using my DS almost exclusively in a train or at the university when I'm waiting.
I guess that part of the argument cancels itself out cause you can play Mario Kart and AC on the train as well.
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Advocatus Diaboli: Well, it's not like the games would have a chance of selling any better on the Cube, after all it's Nintendo's worst selling system recently.
True, but my point remains: this was done by Rockstar as a desperation move, not as an effort to bring more content to the PS2 for no particular reason.
They needed the money, it wasn't selling on the PSP, they decided to bring it to the PS2, in a hurry.
What was the time between the launch of LSC (not sure why I called it LSL. I must be thinking of "Leisure Suit Larry" or something) and the announcement that the game would be ported to the PS2? Answer that question and you'll see just what I mean.
Post by: stevey on April 19, 2006, 05:02:49 AM
Post by: TrueNerd on April 19, 2006, 09:48:29 AM
Who wants to take bets that the game is BETTER on the PS2, at less then half price? I personally think you'd be a fool to bet against that one, but a fool's money can support my $25 a day drug addiction just the same.
Post by: TMW on April 19, 2006, 09:06:59 PM
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Post by: KDR_11k on April 20, 2006, 08:16:19 AM
Post by: wandering on April 20, 2006, 11:05:24 PM
On a completely different topic, I found this interesting.
Essentially, Sony has launched an iTunes music store-like service for the PSP in Japan, mainly for TV shows/anime. Except, not only can't you copy the content, the content is timed. Ugg. Think one dollar for a music video that you can only watch for a week. Or $54 for one month access to all episodes of a certain series.
The interface looks nice, though.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2006, 01:24:05 AM
QuoteOld news(that it was coming out) & Bad idea(since it didn't work b4). Remember DivX @ circuit city? buy this DVD for $9.99 for X amount of time but have to pay $1.99 to watch it again after that(didn't it work like that?)
Originally posted by: wandering
Good point.
On a completely different topic, I found this interesting.
Essentially, Sony has launched an iTunes music store-like service for the PSP in Japan, mainly for TV shows/anime. Except, not only can't you copy the content, the content is timed. Ugg. Think one dollar for a music video that you can only watch for a week. Or $54 for one month access to all episodes of a certain series.
The interface looks nice, though.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 21, 2006, 04:10:49 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2006, 05:58:46 AM
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Post by: Ages on April 21, 2006, 11:52:27 AM
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 21, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Wasn't it "DivX" and "DivX ;-)" ?
``"DivX" is not to be confused with "DIVX", an unrelated attempt at a new DVD rental system employed by the US retailer Circuit City. Early versions of DivX included only a codec, and were named "DivX ;-)", where the winking emoticon was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the failed DIVX system``
Wickey
The smiley was dropped when some of the developers decided to license the video technology and make a business out of it.
And there is no "Divx".
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 21, 2006, 08:13:37 PM
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Post by: wandering on April 23, 2006, 10:32:00 PM
The fact is, though, nobody wants a product which self-destructs. Unless it contains top-secret instructions for an impossible spy mission.
Post by: KDR_11k on April 24, 2006, 10:25:39 AM
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Post by: Spak-Spang on June 28, 2006, 11:03:30 AM
Post by: capamerica on June 28, 2006, 11:48:01 AM
-Wikipedia
So if there are infact 7,000 titles coming out that would be that we would have at least 3 versions of the same game. And 5(or 8 we don't know if GH count) versions of Final Fantasy VII.
A lot of people are calling BS on that story. One major flaw in the idea that all the PSOne titels will be ported is the whole little issue of the PSP missing R2, L2 and a right analog stick.
Post by: Ceric on June 28, 2006, 12:03:45 PM
Ok let's say that every game came out in every region and there is Three regions. That would give us 2,581 Unique games. How about that number? I still think it's to big but the Nintendo list of Cube games is much bigger then I ever knew about. So who knows.
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 28, 2006, 06:47:24 PM
I've been thinking about getting a PS2 once it drops down to about $75 new just to play al the games I've missed out on being on Nintendo systems only all these years.
Post by: KDR_11k on June 28, 2006, 08:55:32 PM
Post by: Deguello on June 29, 2006, 09:06:34 AM
The problem with this sort of thing is that a lot of the hotly desired PS1 games were multi-disc. Even if you take into account redundant data across discs, you are still looking at downloads in excess of 500 Megabytes at the least, an absolute nightmare for dialup, which probably won't be supported anyway. In addition to the aforementioned screen formatting required and the possible control formatting CapAmerica mentioned, you are looking at a lot of effort just to put something on a download service. So possibly not every single PS1 title ever will get the download treatment (i.e. Jumping Flash and Bubsy 3D). So then the effort is relegated to games worth the effort to do so.
But then here is another flaw in logic. If you are going to all that effort, why not just sell it standalone? I know the Ian's of the world hate it, but ports are actually a good idea from time to time. Many of the GBA's best sellers were SNES ports with a few added bonuses. Even one of the DS's highest sellers is an N64 port, althought it is not THE highest (go Nintendogs). And while the PSP gets derided for ports, it is not necessarily the fact that it has a lot of ports. It's that it doesn't have the RIGHT ports. Like the upcoming Def Jam Vendetta: Fight for New York: The Takeover. I'm not sure anybody wanted that on the CONSOLES, much less a handheld. But having FF7-FF9 and Metal Gear Solid 1 ports at launch would have definitely helped out the PSP's library troubles at launch. And they would have reached a higher audience of PSP owners than PSP owners who happen to have broadband, who happen to remember some old PS1 games, and who happen to have the desire to download old PS1 games on a download service.
By contrast, the Wii download service is much different, as the maximum dowload there probably will not exceed 64 MB at the absolute most (unless that TG-CD Castlevania game somehow gets on there.) For games like Super Metroid and Pilotwings, it would be more costly to develop, test, manufacture, package, and attempt to market ports of these games on the GBA or DS. Considering they barely exceed 5 MB total, it would be much wiser to offer them and the rest of the respective legacy system's library as a boon to a new console, and in the Wii's case offering the most robust and extensive backwards compatibility lineup in the history of the industry. They throw them up on the service with no effort and Nintendo gets revenue for, basically, electrical signals. Nintendo is smart here, maximizing the profitibality of classic games while refraining from a high amount of effort to make them available.
But I do find it humorous that the titles the PSP audience wants most are not games made for the PSP.
Post by: Kairon on June 29, 2006, 11:17:10 AM
~Carmine M. Red
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 04, 2006, 09:48:09 AM
I'm not sure but I'm willing to bet that this ad is a little too close to the edge...
Sony Uses UnIntentional(?) Racism To Advertise PSP?
I'm sure its very unintentional but you gotta admit that there were much better ways to get thier point across that the white version of PSP is coming out. By having a white woman in all white wearing one white glove dominantly supress a black woman in all black by grabbing her by the face and forcing her to look up seems a little too bold even for Sony.
I'm not sure of the exact point they are trying to get across, but aren't these products supposed to complement each other and not have one be superior to the other? I mean they are still both just PSP's but the white one has to be shown as better than the black one? I thought thier enemies were the iPod and the DS, not each other.
Post by: stevey on July 04, 2006, 11:09:18 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 04, 2006, 11:14:44 AM
And this is coming from a Japanese company too, how ironic...
Post by: KDR_11k on July 04, 2006, 09:51:58 PM
Post by: Kairon on July 04, 2006, 10:38:52 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
Its one thing to play on racial stereotypes, its something else completely to push "white supremacy".
And this is coming from a Japanese company too, how ironic...
Haven't you heard? Yellow's the new white!
<---- brown
~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com
Post by: nitsu niflheim on July 05, 2006, 04:03:54 AM
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on July 05, 2006, 06:25:47 AM
At least they aren't releasing those ads anywhere other than the Netherlands, thats gotta tell you they knew it was inappropriate on some level.
Eurogamer
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"The marketing campaign for the launch of the White PSP in the Benelux focuses on the contrast between the Black PSP model and the new Ceramic white PSP model, and have no other message or purpose."
They should have stuck with these two ads instead
Post by: Athrun Zala on July 05, 2006, 07:08:21 AM
Post by: KDR_11k on July 05, 2006, 09:19:54 AM
Post by: Smash_Brother on July 05, 2006, 10:37:14 AM
We all know how well that strategy worked for Akklaim...
Post by: stevey on July 19, 2006, 03:58:40 PM
because the umd movie sold so amazingly at $40 their selling memory stick movies for $60 and $100 each in a lower resolution then the umd one... are they trying to run them selfs into the ground or what?
Post by: Arbok on July 19, 2006, 07:13:32 PM
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Originally posted by: stevey
The stupidest thing sony did since yesterday
because the umd movie sold so amazingly at $40 their selling memory stick movies for $60 and $100 each in a lower resolution then the umd one... are they trying to run them selfs into the ground or what?
What I love is that they selected like the four worst movies possible to give that treatment to first. SWAT, XXX: State of the Union? No thanks...
Post by: wandering on July 19, 2006, 09:22:32 PM
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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
How far is Sony willing to go to ensure that thier products turn their customers away?
I'm not sure but I'm willing to bet that this ad is a little too close to the edge...
Sony Uses UnIntentional(?) Racism To Advertise PSP?
What the hell is Sony smoking?
I guess I can kind of see the twisted logic that went into this. "hey, let's have a white girl represent the white PSP and a black girl represent the black PSP. And let's give them a friendly rivalry. And since the white is the newer model, let's have her kind of dominate the black one..."
Of course, this is assuming good faith. They could've, instead, been thinking "haha, you know what would really drum up some interest? A blatantly racist ad!" or "Hey, a lot of people in this country hate black people, right? How can we use that?"
