Community Forums => General Chat => Topic started by: BranDonk Kong on January 28, 2010, 09:56:58 AM
Title: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 28, 2010, 09:56:58 AM
Basically it's a giant iPod Touch with 3G support (for an additional $130). I don't see the point...and apparently neither does the media.
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Post by: Dasmos on January 28, 2010, 09:58:48 AM
I thought it was used to combat menstruation.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 11:53:28 AM
It comes with a Redbull app so that you can give your iPad wings.
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Post by: Caliban on January 28, 2010, 12:05:21 PM
"iPad...meh"
I think so too.
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Post by: D_Average on January 28, 2010, 12:15:43 PM
It's not for me but this thing will sell a ton. There's a huge casual market of folks that want somthing easy like this to surf the only two or three web pages they use.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 12:21:48 PM
how much does it cost though?
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2nlst2c.jpg) 4 iPods duct taped together should be pretty expensive.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2010, 12:24:04 PM
Will this create a new market for bigger pockets?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 12:43:24 PM
only on bigger pants because now we are gonna start manufacturing bigger people.
(http://i49.tinypic.com/f54k79.jpg)
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Post by: vudu on January 28, 2010, 01:20:19 PM
3G costs an additional $15/mo. for 250 MB or $30/mo. for unlimited.
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Post by: D_Average on January 28, 2010, 01:43:31 PM
Its cheaper than a laptop. That's how the casuals will see it. And they will then buy it to frollic, flick, and show off their photos. Plus it has The Youtube inside it. Magic!
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Post by: ThePerm on January 28, 2010, 01:46:00 PM
apples 3rd pillar...4th
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 01:54:59 PM
I take it this is also tied to AT&T so 3G usage is limited depending on your service area?
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Post by: vudu on January 28, 2010, 02:00:07 PM
Is there an app that can control your iPhone thru this?
Now you can phone without a phone.
an iPhone app for your iPad so you can have an iPhone in your iPad and iPhone while you iPad!! [/exhibit]
But now you need to sync you iPad with your iTunes so that you can sync your iPhone to your iPad.
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 28, 2010, 03:08:07 PM
I hope they name the slightly better version they release next year the iPad Max.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 03:09:30 PM
close but no.
Max iPad
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Post by: UltimatePartyBear on January 28, 2010, 03:25:42 PM
Too obvious that way. Even suits would get that.
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Post by: SilverGrey on January 28, 2010, 06:13:39 PM
I actually am rather interested in this as an ereader. Although it'd be the fanciest and most expensive ereader on the market and would have loads of features I have no use for. But I also don't like the Kindle or the Nook, for various reasons. If Apple's ebook options trump Amazon's and Barnes and Noble's, I'd be interested. So far I've managed to avoid Apple products because I don't care to be locked into a brand and a company. Guess I'll take the wait and see approach.
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Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2010, 06:44:14 PM
its hard to read anything longer than a page on an lcd screen though...especially in enjoyable places like a park or courtyard.
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Post by: SilverGrey on January 28, 2010, 06:52:00 PM
its hard to read anything longer than a page on an lcd screen though...especially in enjoyable places like a park or courtyard.
I'd have to see. I don't mind the eInk screens that other readers have, but I hope someday they can refresh without that weird flash and going to black thing. Also they take longer to refresh then it takes to turn a page, which is disruptive to the reading experience, so I was impressed with the nice page turn animation on the iPad.
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Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
yeah but give it time. the refresh rates will become quicker and it'll also have color.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 28, 2010, 07:38:12 PM
Maybe they'll come with real paper too.
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Post by: SilverGrey on January 28, 2010, 07:43:55 PM
I'm rather ambivalent about color eInk, but I'm sure for people who enjoy graphic novels, it'll be a big selling point. I like the idea of readers for being able to take a bunch of books with you at a time, if you have reading ADD like I do. Supposedly this will be the year of the ereader, we shall see. I just don't understand how reading has been around for thousands of years, and yet the thought of digitizing it is having such an issue getting off the ground, let alone keep pace with the rest of technology and gadgets.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 28, 2010, 08:03:28 PM
I really don't see this thing selling that well. Initially it will, but then people will realize how much it sucks, and it's not a tablet PC.
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Post by: Stogi on January 28, 2010, 08:04:33 PM
i think it'll sell depending on how quickly it gets hacked.
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Post by: SilverGrey on January 28, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
I really don't see this thing selling that well. Initially it will, but then people will realize how much it sucks, and it's not a tablet PC.
I agree with this sentiment. That what I thought it was till I actually took the time to read about it.
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Post by: that Baby guy on January 28, 2010, 08:20:10 PM
I can't figure this out, mostly for one reason: With a device like this, since it's not a phone, and it doesn't have SMS capability, why can't it have expandable memory?
There's no way I'd pay $100 for 16 more gigs of memory, or $200 for 48 gigs. That's just a rip-off. Since you can't easily type on it, forget using it for anything but large-size iPhone on the internet. The iPhone does well for clicking-based stuff, but really doesn't work for typing, unless it's a last resort.
So I'd really find it useful for a few things: A media device, naturally. Mostly for videos. Except it's actually very expensive compared to laptops that could do the same but have more memory. Then there's apps. There's an app for everything, I know... Except more often than not, apps do about the same thing as a decent internet browser with few bookmarks do, don't they? While apps are a selling point, they're really not that great of one.
The last idea is books, right? Use it as an e-reader, if I understand. But how long does the power last with that? I suppose that's a non-issue, though, it's big enough you might just get used to treating it like a normal laptop, and just not use it like people use cellphones or other e-readers.
Truthfully, I can see people using it in a way that isn't intended. By design, though not cost, wouldn't it make an awesome all-in-one remote? You'd have to figure out how to make everything work with wi-fi, but imagine it controlling your house's lights, fans, televisions, dvd players/multimedia devices, and so on.
But as a stand-alone device? It seems a bit lame and expensive.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 28, 2010, 10:26:08 PM
Truthfully, I can see people using it in a way that isn't intended. By design, though not cost, wouldn't it make an awesome all-in-one remote? You'd have to figure out how to make everything work with wi-fi, but imagine it controlling your house's lights, fans, televisions, dvd players/multimedia devices, and so on.
That sounds like an excellent misuse of the iPad. iHome app puts all you enabled devices at your finger tips.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 01:32:28 AM
TOKYO (AP) -- Nintendo's president shrugged off the just unveiled iPad tablet computer from Apple as delivering "no surprises," and displayed as little enthusiasm for 3-D technology and high-definition upgrades for games.
"It was a bigger iPod Touch," Satoru Iwata said of the much anticipated device shown Wednesday by Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs. [....] He made no pretense to hide he was totally unimpressed with the iPad.
"There were no surprises for me," said Iwata.
Apple says the iPad is a new kind of mobile device that is more intimate than a laptop but is packed with more functions than a mobile phone.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 29, 2010, 01:48:07 AM
I'm most likely going to buy one of these, but what I'd like to see is a regular iPod Touch with the contract-free pay-as-you-go data plan that this has.
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Post by: decoyman on January 29, 2010, 10:23:52 AM
I have to admit I'm rather "meh" on the iPad too. A couple things, though:
iCall, a voip app developer, was given the green light to develop for the iPad. So there could be a phone app eventually...
Biggest missed opportunity? Lack of a front-facing camera. iChat is crying.
I don't know what your reasoning is, thatguy, but the App Store could easily be one of this thing's biggest selling points.
Not enough storage for the price. Not near enough. And why no SD Card slot?
Here's an interesting take on it. (http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/jan/28/ipad-thoughts/)
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Post by: Ian Sane on January 29, 2010, 01:25:58 PM
I've realized I have never owned any product made by Apple ever in my entire life. That probably says something about me. I find no use for this but then I've never felt any real desire to own ANY of their stuff. It always seems like I get something that's more flexible for LESS money from a different company.
So as a result I find some bizarre joy is seeing Apple fans get all let down. :) That's mean of me. I really shouldn't find it funny.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 02:35:48 PM
I have to admit I'm rather "meh" on the iPad too. A couple things, though:
Biggest missed opportunity? Lack of a front-facing camera. iChat is crying.
Could've been the first practical video phone. Is there a camera on the back? They should have just copied the DSi and slapped 2 camera on there. Cameras aren't that expensive.
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Post by: decoyman on January 29, 2010, 05:48:24 PM
Could've been the first practical video phone. Is there a camera on the back? They should have just copied the DSi and slapped 2 camera on there. Cameras aren't that expensive.
Nope, no camera at all. Maybe they'll add one in a few future revision...
Only one knows the mind of Jobs. And that person isn't talking.
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on January 29, 2010, 10:13:35 PM
Well next year when the iPad 3GS comes out, we'll get our answers. Then it will be iPad nano, which is actually just an iPod touch.
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Post by: ThePerm on January 29, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
I've realized I have never owned any product made by Apple ever in my entire life. That probably says something about me. I find no use for this but then I've never felt any real desire to own ANY of their stuff. It always seems like I get something that's more flexible for LESS money from a different company.
So as a result I find some bizarre joy is seeing Apple fans get all let down. :) That's mean of me. I really shouldn't find it funny.
i have never owned any of their products, but for a long time have wanted a Mac, this looks like meh though. The only thing i can think about whjen i look at this is all the broken screens people will have. Its harder to break a screen on a smaller object like a regular ipod, but this is open for damage, unlike a laptop(or DS) that folds.
anyone want to start a company with me selling Ipad screen shields....?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 29, 2010, 11:16:50 PM
The only way the lack of a forward-facing camera makes any sense is if they're holding it back for the next model, but that's an incredibly arrogant thing to do, even by Apple standards.
I don't understand why people are so down on it for being a bigger iPod Touch; the iPod Touch is awesome, and the bigger screen opens up new possibilities.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 29, 2010, 11:41:20 PM
Are they gonna be subsidizing cost through AT&T with a 2 year data only contract?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 29, 2010, 11:57:39 PM
The data is no-contract, pay as you go, and can be turned on or off at any time right from the device. $15/month for 250 MB, $30 for unlimited. Given how high the premium is for the 3G version, I'll bet some of that money is going to AT&T.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
Yeah, I know that, but I was wondering if this was gonna have a subsidized model sold through AT&T with a contract.
I mean the 3G model is basically a table sized iPhone, so I don't see why they wouldn't lock someone into that kinda deal and sell it to them for $299 or something.
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2010, 12:33:47 AM
how absorbent is it
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on January 30, 2010, 12:52:26 AM
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Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on January 30, 2010, 01:18:10 AM
That was helpful, sir. This gives me even greater buying power.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 30, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
Flash sucks; the porn sites should be moving to HTML 5.
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Post by: SixthAngel on January 31, 2010, 08:36:02 AM
I see no use at all.
People keep saying ebook reader but it is going to be horrible as an ebook reader. Ebook readers are already better than this and cheaper. I have an eink ebook and it has the face dimensions of a paper back book so I can actually take it with me on the bus like a real book. People say eink is good for the eyes and I like it, but the real advantage is I can read 4 books before I have to recharge the thing. I read for about 1 and a half to 2 hours a day and it lasts for weeks. Books that die on you aren't going to be popular. Besides that ebooks aren't actually going to take off until other problems are solved. Mainly that the readers are just too damn expensive. People can get books for free at the library or buy dozens before they reach this price. If I lived in an english speaking country I'd never have one. Second the amount of different formats and drm out there is ridiculous. You can't change books to other readers or computers with half the systems and every store sells different formats, some books seem to be certain format exclusive and changing formats is impossible thanks to drm and propietary formats.
What else would I buys this for? It does all netbook/computer functions like **** compared to the competition without actually simplifying things in a worth while way. I suppose it could be a writing tablet but there are probably better, cheaper alternatives out there.
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Post by: that Baby guy on January 31, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
I have to admit I'm rather "meh" on the iPad too. A couple things, though:
iCall, a voip app developer, was given the green light to develop for the iPad. So there could be a phone app eventually...
Biggest missed opportunity? Lack of a front-facing camera. iChat is crying.
I don't know what your reasoning is, thatguy, but the App Store could easily be one of this thing's biggest selling points.
Not enough storage for the price. Not near enough. And why no SD Card slot?
Here's an interesting take on it. (http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/jan/28/ipad-thoughts/)
The app store is a glorified internet browser. While it standardizes specifications and gathers everything in one place, most apps deliver functions that can easily be found on the internet, on various websites.
It's nothing special, really, especially not for a larger, more expensive device than the iPad, since you can take a laptop online and use flash, java, or just generally download executables that have the same function.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on January 31, 2010, 10:28:41 PM
The App Store is to Web apps what iTunes/Amazon MP3/etc. are to file sharing services. You can get a lot of the same stuff from the latter, but the former is just a better experience and most definitely worth the cost.
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Post by: RABicle on February 02, 2010, 12:50:08 AM
I'm glad that everyone's responses here are much smarter than a certain otehr board I visit. Over on this other world of dreack I will not name, several members were criticising the iPad for lacking a DVD drive of all things. Here's a hint; if you wanted Apple to release a portable DVD player, you are not their target market, you are an imbecile.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 01:27:33 AM
a DVD drive..... seriously?
have these people never heard of iTunes and the store full of music, movies and TV shows that is attached to it?
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Post by: RABicle on February 02, 2010, 02:03:37 AM
No, they're generally the same people who hate iPods and think that no one will ever stream HD movies ever.
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 02:07:05 AM
Oh.... so it's a good thing services like Netflix and Hulu were never invented and surely didn't become popular and (in Netflix's case) profitable.
Where do these people live? Under a rock?
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Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 02, 2010, 09:59:57 AM
I'm not going to say the thing *should* have a DVD drive, I could care less, but still, it wouldn't hurt, or add to the cost by any significant amount.
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Post by: Plugabugz on February 02, 2010, 12:38:01 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to have a single USB port instead so that anyone can plug in what they want?
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 02, 2010, 01:14:01 PM
It seems like some people want this thing to be an official Apple version of a ModBook. (http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook)
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 02:12:23 PM
Well, how do you put pictures on it?
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Post by: vudu on February 02, 2010, 02:19:59 PM
Connect it to your PC/Mac via the docking station?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 02:34:58 PM
It can do wifi PC to PC right?
I can pull music, videos and other files of of one computer from a different computer through the wifi router connection. iPad can atleast do that right?
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Post by: SilverGrey on February 02, 2010, 07:10:56 PM
I'm glad that everyone's responses here are much smarter than a certain otehr board I visit. Over on this other world of dreack I will not name, several members were criticising the iPad for lacking a DVD drive of all things. Here's a hint; if you wanted Apple to release a portable DVD player, you are not their target market, you are an imbecile.
Wow, you're harsh...... What would be wrong with it having a DVD drive? Not everyone in the world is tech savvy and maybe they'd like it to be able to play their physical DVD collection. I fail to see how that makes them imbeciles. Perhaps they prefer ease of use in a medium in which they are accustomed and comfortable?
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Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 02, 2010, 07:29:34 PM
It's a giant iPhone/iPodTouch. Do either of those have a DVD drive to allow for viewing of movies and TV shows?
The only things that do surprise me is that it has no camera and no USB slot.
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Post by: SilverGrey on February 02, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
It's a giant iPhone/iPodTouch. Do either of those have a DVD drive to allow for viewing of movies and TV shows?
The only things that do surprise me is that it has no camera and no USB slot.
With the fanfare with which the device was announced, it is hardly surprising that many people are feeling crestfallen at what was actually unveiled.........a giant iphone. Many people were hoping this would be so much more then that, including having features such as a camera, USB slot, and yes, a DVD drive. If Apple had said 'we took the iphone and made it bigger!!!' then I don't think anyone would be harping on its lack of DVD drive. As it is, this isn't the device the public was expecting, and therefore their reaction of dislike should not have them labelled as imbecilic.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 02, 2010, 08:23:14 PM
The only way the lack of a forward-facing camera makes any sense is if they're holding it back for the next model, but that's an incredibly arrogant thing to do, even by Apple standards.
Really? Cuz i think its incredibly arrogant for Apple to discontinue their 160gb iPod "Classic" and instead only selling it in 80/120gb models, as well as skipping the "classic" model when deciding to add a camera to the "nano" model that don't have anywhere near enough memory to make it a decent camera/camcorder on top of decent mp3 player and ultimately releasing a stripped down iphone that is the itouch with NO camera even though the Nano still has one which until recently had equal amount of available memory as an itouch.
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Post by: Stogi on February 02, 2010, 08:26:47 PM
The only thing I've ever liked Apple for is there computers. They never skimp on those and any proprietary software can be easily ignored. That said, a Jail-Broken iPhone is the best DOMESTIC phone on the market.
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 03, 2010, 01:20:21 AM
The only way the lack of a forward-facing camera makes any sense is if they're holding it back for the next model, but that's an incredibly arrogant thing to do, even by Apple standards.
Really? Cuz i think its incredibly arrogant for Apple to discontinue their 160gb iPod "Classic" and instead only selling it in 80/120gb models, as well as skipping the "classic" model when deciding to add a camera to the "nano" model that don't have anywhere near enough memory to make it a decent camera/camcorder on top of decent mp3 player and ultimately releasing a stripped down iphone that is the itouch with NO camera even though the Nano still has one which until recently had equal amount of available memory as an itouch.
All of those are limitations of the technology, except for the first one, where they consolidated the iPod Classic from two models (80 and 160 GB) to one (120 GB), and they recently changed it so the one model is 160 GB.
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Post by: decoyman on February 03, 2010, 10:47:56 AM
SilverGrey, two things on the lack of DVD.
1) Right or wrong, Apple has a habit of getting rid of tech a little earlier than it should. It was the same with floppies. There's talk that some versions of the Macbook Pro laptops in the future will be without DVD drives, too, freeing up a slot for another hard drive or video card or something else.
2) Including a DVD drive would add bulk and weight, both of which would cut down on the usefulness of a device you're meant to hold in your hands.
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Post by: SilverGrey on February 03, 2010, 12:42:46 PM
1) Right or wrong, Apple has a habit of getting rid of tech a little earlier than it should. It was the same with floppies. There's talk that some versions of the Macbook Pro laptops in the future will be without DVD drives, too, freeing up a slot for another hard drive or video card or something else.
2) Including a DVD drive would add bulk and weight, both of which would cut down on the usefulness of a device you're meant to hold in your hands.
Number 1 is news to me, and interesting. Talk is talk, any word when such a revolution would actually occur? Number 2 I'm aware of, and I do understand that it wouldn't necessarily make the device practical for its intended use. I'm not objecting to its lack of DVD drive, I was objecting to the implication that people who wished it had one must be not very bright. Obviously Apple must have known who they were intending this device to be used by, or they wouldn't have made it (one would hope). However, changes in the public's understanding of technology take time, and a device like an iPad would initially be met with suspicion anyways, and even moreso considering it doesn't contain things that most people are comfortable using, like a USB port or a DVD drive. No the iPad was not intended for everyone to be interested in it, but they also don't seem to have done much to make it a comforting transition, for lack of a better word.
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Post by: vudu on February 03, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
It's a tablet computer. You hold it in your hands and move around. How are you supposed to put a DVD drive in it without scratching up the discs?
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Post by: EasyCure on February 03, 2010, 01:31:05 PM
@insano:
What I meant was later on adding features when the technology and price were more feasable but only to certain models. It makes much more sense for me to want to rebuy a 160gb iPod Classic (should I lose or damage my current one) that comes with a camera feature over a 16gb iPod Nano, right? Hell the Classic used to be the iPod photo then video, so why can't they make it TAKE photos and videos than just viewing them?
I'm the consumer here and it irks me to no end that should I have to replace my current ipod I'll have to settle for something less than what I want. I don't want to have to buy an ipod nano to take videos, or and iphone. I wouldn't mind upgrading to an iTouch but its available memory is far less than what my needs dictate, and is also missing features from other ipod models (even the inferior nano). What gives? A 64gb itouch wouldn't be too bad, if I kept my movies off the device, and its slimmer than my 160gb classic.. but then the appeal of owning the touch is gone because i'd like to be able to watch my movies on a bigger screen.
Guess I'll just have to wait for a few more years before the tech is even cheaper to mass produce at a price range where apple can seriously rape my wallet, instead of putting a small deant in it.
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Post by: Stogi on February 03, 2010, 04:13:44 PM
I really think it should have a DVD drive though. If it's meant to be a tablet computer, then how am I suppose to install anything on it? Download it through Apple? Fat chance/
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Post by: SilverGrey on February 03, 2010, 04:43:45 PM
I just think it's funny that even though everyone agrees that the iPad unveiling was disappointing, there's still endless debate over just how disappointing it was, or just what exactly made it disappointing. I'm willing to agree to disagree with people, but for myself personally, I wouldn't be interested in the iPad because it doesn't fulfill the needs I would have for such a device, which includes playing the DVDs that I already own without going through a lot of hassle. I don't think that makes me or anybody else an imbecile, rather an informed consumer. I won't be one of the people who buys it, and then shows up online somewhere complaining it didn't have a DVD drive or a camera or whatnot. Know the product before purchasing.
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Post by: Plugabugz on February 03, 2010, 04:49:45 PM
I'm disappointed because it doesn't exactly meet the needs of anything.
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Post by: SilverGrey on February 03, 2010, 04:55:50 PM
I'm disappointed because it doesn't exactly meet the needs of anything.
This too....
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Post by: Stogi on February 03, 2010, 05:01:19 PM
exactly...
I will say this though. I would love to have this on a long flight even without a dvd drive.
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Post by: EasyCure on February 03, 2010, 08:11:32 PM
I should start a new trend...
Clip an iPad to your belt in a manner that let's the screen be visible to everyone,and just play music videos on it, without looking, with my headphones on.
It'll be like when "ballers" keep the monitor on the back of their headrest on when no ones in the backseat ;)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 03, 2010, 08:15:08 PM
Hell no. you gotta hand it from a platinum chain, and every now and then a screen saver will pop up that is a giant analog clock. You must wear this with oversized glasses, low hanging baggy jeans and a platinum grill (diamonds optional).
you should just add to the current trend.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: EasyCure on February 03, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Hell no. you gotta hand it from a platinum chain, and every now and then a screen saver will pop up that is a giant analog clock. You must wear this with oversized glasses, low hanging baggy jeans and a platinum grill (diamonds optional).
you should just add to the current trend.
I'm sorry, i dont know what the current trend is. Your suggestion would make me look like Flavor Flav.. which I have to problems with! I'm sure theres plenty of Analog clock apps for the stupid thing too ;)
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Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 03, 2010, 10:38:24 PM
What I meant was later on adding features when the technology and price were more feasable but only to certain models. It makes much more sense for me to want to rebuy a 160gb iPod Classic (should I lose or damage my current one) that comes with a camera feature over a 16gb iPod Nano, right? Hell the Classic used to be the iPod photo then video, so why can't they make it TAKE photos and videos than just viewing them?
I'm the consumer here and it irks me to no end that should I have to replace my current ipod I'll have to settle for something less than what I want. I don't want to have to buy an ipod nano to take videos, or and iphone. I wouldn't mind upgrading to an iTouch but its available memory is far less than what my needs dictate, and is also missing features from other ipod models (even the inferior nano). What gives? A 64gb itouch wouldn't be too bad, if I kept my movies off the device, and its slimmer than my 160gb classic.. but then the appeal of owning the touch is gone because i'd like to be able to watch my movies on a bigger screen.
Guess I'll just have to wait for a few more years before the tech is even cheaper to mass produce at a price range where apple can seriously rape my wallet, instead of putting a small deant in it.
The Classic doesn't have a camera because Apple would rather it didn't exist and certainly aren't going to waste any R&D on improving it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Classic were discontinued as soon as the Touch gets up to 128 GB, which should happen later this year. The Touch doesn't have a camera because Apple would have to increase its thickness to fit it in there and they're not willing to do that, which isn't so much arrogant as it is stupid.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 03, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
The only thing I've ever liked Apple for is there computers. They never skimp on those and any proprietary software can be easily ignored. That said, the Motorola Droid is the best phone on the market.
Fixed. Seriously, the Droid is better than the iPhone, period. Better network (fact), no need for iTunes, upgradeable flash memory, no need to void your warranty to actually use it, etc. Oh, and 480p YouTube with Flash 10 support coming very soon...and Google Maps Navigation...and...
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 04, 2010, 12:08:50 AM
I don't feel like having this argument again, but apparently I still feel like responding.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on February 04, 2010, 01:01:06 AM
Fixed. Seriously, the Droid is better than the iPhone, period. Better network (fact), no need for iTunes, upgradeable flash memory, no need to void your warranty to actually use it, etc. Oh, and 480p YouTube with Flash 10 support coming very soon...and Google Maps Navigation...and...
I don't want to defend the iPhone (I don't plan on ever getting one unless they get a provider that allows pay as you go plans instead of 2 year contracts), but please tell me you are one of those people who support jailbreaking iPhones/iPod Touches?
As for the iPad, I have no interest in it, especially at $500 and up. If they had it starting at $300, I would really consider getting one. I don't think the name is bad either.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 04, 2010, 01:12:09 AM
I don't know if it still works, but there used to be a way to trick the system into letting you get an iPhone with a pay as you go plan. It involved entering a Social Security number that was all 9s which would make you fail the credit check and then they'd offer it to you pay as you go. That may have stopped working when they started subsidizing them, though.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on February 05, 2010, 06:38:28 AM
You can buy pay as you go iPhones over here. I know O2 UK and Orange both offer them as pay as you go. Vodafone doesn't. But hey, at least we have a choice rather than AT&T or bust.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on February 05, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
The only thing I've ever liked Apple for is there computers. They never skimp on those and any proprietary software can be easily ignored. That said, the Motorola Droid is the best phone on the market.
Fixed. Seriously, the Droid is better than the iPhone, period. Better network (fact), no need for iTunes, upgradeable flash memory, no need to void your warranty to actually use it, etc. Oh, and 480p YouTube with Flash 10 support coming very soon...and Google Maps Navigation...and...
I have no experience with it so you may be right. I'm just saying, from personal experience, the iphone is the best DOMESTIC phone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 05, 2010, 04:27:38 PM
Of course I support jailbreaking the iPhone, I've jailbroken several of them and my brother's iPod Touch. A non-jailbroken iPhone is like Grand Theft Auto without the cheat codes.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 05, 2010, 05:31:12 PM
I'm not against jailbreaking iPhones, but I haven't had any reason to care about it enough to actually do it to my iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: EasyCure on February 07, 2010, 03:39:25 PM
What I meant was later on adding features when the technology and price were more feasable but only to certain models. It makes much more sense for me to want to rebuy a 160gb iPod Classic (should I lose or damage my current one) that comes with a camera feature over a 16gb iPod Nano, right? Hell the Classic used to be the iPod photo then video, so why can't they make it TAKE photos and videos than just viewing them?
I'm the consumer here and it irks me to no end that should I have to replace my current ipod I'll have to settle for something less than what I want. I don't want to have to buy an ipod nano to take videos, or and iphone. I wouldn't mind upgrading to an iTouch but its available memory is far less than what my needs dictate, and is also missing features from other ipod models (even the inferior nano). What gives? A 64gb itouch wouldn't be too bad, if I kept my movies off the device, and its slimmer than my 160gb classic.. but then the appeal of owning the touch is gone because i'd like to be able to watch my movies on a bigger screen.
Guess I'll just have to wait for a few more years before the tech is even cheaper to mass produce at a price range where apple can seriously rape my wallet, instead of putting a small deant in it.
The Classic doesn't have a camera because Apple would rather it didn't exist and certainly aren't going to waste any R&D on improving it. I wouldn't be surprised if the Classic were discontinued as soon as the Touch gets up to 128 GB, which should happen later this year. The Touch doesn't have a camera because Apple would have to increase its thickness to fit it in there and they're not willing to do that, which isn't so much arrogant as it is stupid.
Well my opinion is that of apple in fact IS arrogant for trying to tell the market what it wants as opposed to the other way around. Once the iTouch goes to at least 120gb, I'll consider upgrading (but not so fast) but then whats to say they won't introduce some new iTrendy product that everyone wants but no one needs and I'll be left with an iTouch "classic" that won't have any cool new features, ever?
The only thing I've ever liked Apple for is there computers. They never skimp on those and any proprietary software can be easily ignored. That said, the Motorola Droid is the best phone on the market.
Fixed. Seriously, the Droid is better than the iPhone, period. Better network (fact), no need for iTunes, upgradeable flash memory, no need to void your warranty to actually use it, etc. Oh, and 480p YouTube with Flash 10 support coming very soon...and Google Maps Navigation...and...
Whats your take on the Nexus One?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 07, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
Since you're posting on a Nintendo forum I wouldn't have thought you'd mind companies that do what they want to do as opposed to what people want them to do so much.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 07, 2010, 10:43:17 PM
Haven't put too much thought into it since it's not on Verizon. It's generally weaker than I would have expected though.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 08, 2010, 11:52:03 PM
My first reaction to the iPad was 'meh' just like everybody else, but I've warmed up to it. Give it one or two revisions and maybe a price drop (which you should do for all Apple products...actually all tech products in general) and I think there's a segment of the market that would really like something like this. Even I would consider buying one...if it had Flash. That really kills it for me. Yeah I wish all flash would just hurry up and be replaced by HTML 5 but that will take a while. In the meantime I want to play my flash games and watch my flash video.
As for the iTunes bookstore...maybe. The iPad and the Kindle are being described as direct competitors and for all practical purposes they are, but really they are both designed around the consumption of different types of print media. The Kindle is made for books and it has really perfected the experience of reading an electronic novel; you can take it anywhere, the battery last for fucking EVER, and contrary to LCD screens the E-Ink display actually looks better in direct sunlight and is really easy on the eyes. The Kindle has some problems, however, and they primarily have to do with periodicals. Newspapers, magazines, and blogs are simply not the type of thing you want to be reading on your Kindle. It lacks the high resolution color screen for displaying images, and it lacks the interface and refresh rate needed for efficient navigation. When you're browsing and scanning, and only spending a few seconds on each page, the Kindle becomes clunky and cumbersome. The iPad solves all of those problems and should be great for reading newspapers, magazines, and anything else you don't read long enough to develop eye strain.
But just as a reader I wouldn't buy an iPad quite yet...the Nook will be available any minute now which at least has some improved display and navigation features, and a new version of the Kindle is on the horizon. Plus sometime this month Amazon is opening up the Kindle Development Kit to foster the development of third party Kindle applications, which has me pretty excited. The device has a lot of untapped potential.
So...what was I saying? Yeah the iPad is not all that terrible if you develop the right mindset. Multitasking is not a big deal if you use it the way it was meant to be used (iWork is NOT the way it is meant to be used, sorry Apple) and if you have a huge iTunes library it will probably be great.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2010, 12:29:03 AM
So you're telling Apple that they're wrong about how the product they designed is meant to be used?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 09, 2010, 12:37:37 AM
Yeah, I am. The iPad is clearly about consuming content, iTunes and App Store content specifically. iWork is neat and all and it might work just fine, but in the end this thing isn't really a netbook and the people who buy it aren't going to use it to create meaningful content. iWork just doesn't fit with the rest of the device.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2010, 12:58:38 AM
The iPad is basically a bigger iPhone, and you'd be surprised how much work you can get done on an iPhone. The increased size should make it even better for that. I intend to buy one of these, and yes, it will primarily be used for the consumption of media, but I also intend to--at least attempt to--take it to class with me and use it to take notes.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 09, 2010, 11:02:29 AM
Just out of curiosity...I assume you own an iPhone, so when you get an iPad are you going to get the 3G version and pay for data plans on both devices? The plan for the iPad is at least fairly flexible, but I assume if you want to work with it the way you can with your phone you'll need to buy the data month over month....and you probably won't want to get rid of your phone either.
Maybe it's because I'm cheap, but I wouldn't want to pay 3G charges on both my iPhone and iPad. It seems redundant. I don't really know anything about the pricing structure on the iPhone though, if there's a data plan where you pay strictly by the bit this won't be a problem.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2010, 11:39:11 AM
It sucks, stop trying to make it seem cool. It sucks. There was all this build-up, and ransom for photos, and then it turns out to be this piece of crap, underwhelming and disappointing everyone who thought they had an idea about what it was going to be. It was supposed to be Apple's "tablet PC," but it fails to fill those shoes, miserably.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 09, 2010, 01:51:53 PM
Just out of curiosity...I assume you own an iPhone, so when you get an iPad are you going to get the 3G version and pay for data plans on both devices? The plan for the iPad is at least fairly flexible, but I assume if you want to work with it the way you can with your phone you'll need to buy the data month over month....and you probably won't want to get rid of your phone either.
Maybe it's because I'm cheap, but I wouldn't want to pay 3G charges on both my iPhone and iPad. It seems redundant. I don't really know anything about the pricing structure on the iPhone though, if there's a data plan where you pay strictly by the bit this won't be a problem.
I'm sure once the iPad is jailbroken, someone will figure out how to tether it to the iPhone and problem solved.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2010, 04:24:09 PM
I plan on getting the 3G model; I'll most likely end up getting the $15/month 250 MB plan, since I have the iPhone as well, and also I'll probably have Wi-Fi at a much higher percentage of places I'd be likely to use the iPad than the iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: SilverGrey on February 09, 2010, 08:28:40 PM
It sucks, stop trying to make it seem cool. It sucks. There was all this build-up, and ransom for photos, and then it turns out to be this piece of crap, underwhelming and disappointing everyone who thought they had an idea about what it was going to be. It was supposed to be Apple's "tablet PC," but it fails to fill those shoes, miserably.
This is how I feel. The people who do like it seem to be saying 'you just need to change your expectations, then it's really good!' But why should I have to change my expectations? I have expectations, they are not met by this device. I have yet to meet (or read of) anyone whose expectations actually were met by the iPad. I'm sure they do exist, but I refuse to change my expectations so that I see the iPad in a more positive light. If Apple wants my money, they have to do better then this.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: KnowsNothing on February 09, 2010, 08:45:01 PM
First of all, all the people who got hyped up based on what tech blogs were gossiping about deserve to be disappointed. Second of all, you don't have buy it in order for it to have value or be a good device. Perhaps you're not the target demographic. I don't want the iPhone but that doesn't mean it's a terrible device. I don't want a convertible either. Or a dog. Do none of these things have value?
My comment about developing the right mindset was not about trying to change anyone's mind about purchasing an iPad. I'm not going to buy the thing either, and likewise if it doesn't meet your needs you have a right to be disappointed because you (perhaps foolishly) expected something more. That is not the same thing as the iPad being a terrible device.
I guess technically it's all subjective and to YOU it's a worthless piece of ****, but all of the mindless iPad bashing on the internet is frustrating. People somehow got it into their mind that Apple was releasing a product that met THEIR specific desires, when in reality the company said nothing about it at all.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 09, 2010, 09:07:48 PM
It's not mindless bashing, it's legitimate criticism of an underwhelming device that didn't live up to anyone's expectations. It's not the internet community's fault that Apple hid this piece of crap to build suspense and then delivered a giant iPod Touch instead of an actual Tablet.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 09, 2010, 10:48:15 PM
I'm sorry that I happen to like something that you don't like.
It is a big iPhone, but isn't an iPhone, in a lot of ways, a small tablet? I'd rather have a bigger, better iPhone than a smaller, dumbed-down PC. Apple did build up an enormous amount of hype for something that is not, at least in its present state, the revolutionary device they promised. It is, however, not a bad piece of hardware, and one that has legitimate uses and markets.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on February 10, 2010, 05:38:40 PM
I found this interesting--Apple can build a $500 iPad for $240 (http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/02/10/apple-can-build-a-500-ipad-for-240/).
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Based solely on parts and manufacturing, iSuppli estimates that Apple's mark-up ranges from 117% for the low end unit to 147% for the high. The most profitable model would appear to be the mid-range, 3G-ready 32-GB iPad, with a sticker price of $729 and an estimated manufacturing cost of $287.15.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: that Baby guy on February 10, 2010, 05:41:57 PM
...Makes you wonder what the mark-up on an iPhone might be.
Regardless, I think the average consumer can pretty much see that this type of mark-up is there, which is part of why they don't care so much for it, but we'll see.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 10, 2010, 07:00:30 PM
Which is why I already don't buy apple products. Apple tax is very presumptuous of them, like Square tax on video games.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on February 10, 2010, 07:50:24 PM
Or Nintendo tax on systems? ;)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 10, 2010, 10:09:52 PM
...Makes you wonder what the mark-up on an iPhone might be.
The iPhone that sells for $199 actually costs Apple $178. (http://techcrunchies.com/cost-of-iphone-components/) That seems very reasonable, until you remember that $200 is the price after you factor in AT&T's subsidy for the 2 year contract.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 11, 2010, 10:39:15 PM
Apple *really* sells the iPhone (16GB) for $599 (without a contract), so that's technically a $421 markup, which is ridiculous. It's the same for most cell phones, though.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Kairon on February 14, 2010, 01:51:47 AM
It's not mindless bashing, it's legitimate criticism of an underwhelming device that didn't live up to anyone's expectations. It's not the internet community's fault that Apple hid this piece of crap to build suspense and then delivered a giant iPod Touch instead of an actual Tablet.
If that's true, then it's not the device's fault. The device is fine. It's the false promises that were made before that are the problem, and thus THOSE are what should be criticized.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: that Baby guy on February 14, 2010, 01:59:58 AM
Nah, Apple never made any promises about it. There was rampant speculation before, as well as tons of media hype, but no real announcements from Apple.
What's Apple's fault? Making a device that's just a large iPhone, in essence, in a market that has numerous other products out there which can do just as much, if not more, and not only that, do all that better than the iPad can. Truthfully, it's the same case as what happened with Apple and the iPod, except this time, bigger companies have entered the field before Apple did, and more of the interested consumers are informed better.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on February 14, 2010, 06:50:38 AM
I'm sorry that I happen to like something that you don't like.
It is a big iPhone, but isn't an iPhone, in a lot of ways, a small tablet? I'd rather have a bigger, better iPhone than a smaller, dumbed-down PC. Apple did build up an enormous amount of hype for something that is not, at least in its present state, the revolutionary device they promised. It is, however, not a bad piece of hardware, and one that has legitimate uses and markets.
I'm glad you like it and it serves your needs.
I had a good think about it and while it looks good and everything, I don't see how this has the potential to be disruptive like Wii and DS and carve out something new and bold, or replace existing devices I have like a netbook.
It fills a hole that doesn't really need filling. If it was a special Mac OSX iPad Edition then it would have been much MUCH better value.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 14, 2010, 11:47:14 PM
That's what I'm saying. The price tag is absolutely disgusting, and it seems to be like a very un-needed (by anyone) product. Apple is all about simplicity, but come on, make a product that actually brings something new to the table.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 15, 2010, 12:05:50 AM
It's not revolutionary like the iPhone was, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that there's no market for it. And I don't get how it doesn't bring anything new to the table; it's essentially a big iPhone, but like I said to Lindy on Twitter, if the screen you're looking at right now quadrupled in size, wouldn't that change the way you used it significantly?
I know I'd rather have one of these than a hypothetical netbook running OS X, and I'd probably rather have this than a ModBook, as well. I'd prefer more Mac elements than what we got, but this sounds good to me.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on February 15, 2010, 06:00:14 PM
Here is the one thing that makes iPad kinda interesting now http://www.slingbox.com/go/iphone
basically, streaming all your tv and whatever to your iPhone/Pad whenever and where ever you are through your 3G/WiFi connection. Now you never have to miss the game whether you're in the bathroom or on the road. Unfortunately you are still tied to AT&T, but not much you can do about that at the moment.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2010, 10:59:49 AM
You can already do that on any laptop or cell phone. The iPhone is hardly revolutionary, there have been touchscreen phones that play movies and MP3s for several years now, only most of them don't lock you down to one carrier and their own music management software.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 16, 2010, 11:56:28 AM
That's like saying the Wii wasn't revolutionary because accelerometers and IR pointers existed long before it. The tech itself wasn't revolutionary, what it did to the market was. Every phone in the last two years has been a response to the iPhone; you can't argue that it wasn't revolutionary.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2010, 02:31:37 PM
No, it's not like saying that at all. If there was a gaming console that used accelerometers and IR pointers before the Wii, then that would be a valid comparison. The iPhone wasn't the first *phone* to have a touch screen, play MP3s, play movies, have games, etc, etc. Lots of people bought it, that's the only thing I can't argue with.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 16, 2010, 03:28:48 PM
Yeah, it wasn't the greatest analogy. I should have gone with the iPod not being the first digital music player, or iTunes not being the first digital download music store, or Super Mario 64 not being the first 3D platformer. My second point still stands, though: every phone since the iPhone has been a response to the iPhone. The Droid or the Nexus One wouldn't exist, at least not like they currently do, without the iPhone. It revolutionized the smartphone market despite not really doing much that hadn't been done before.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2010, 03:43:51 PM
I wouldn't say that exactly. Sure there have been a lot of iPhone-ish phones, but just because a phone has a big touchscreen and is very internet and media friendly, doesn't mean it's inspired by the iPhone or as a result of it's success. Android phones are very different than the iPhone, especially the Droid. The ipod definitely revolutionized the way people listen to music, the iPhone is just very popular and didn't really bring anything new to the table, besides the (cr)app store.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on February 16, 2010, 08:52:36 PM
You can already do that on any laptop or cell phone. The iPhone is hardly revolutionary, there have been touchscreen phones that play movies and MP3s for several years now, only most of them don't lock you down to one carrier and their own music management software.
You could say the same thing about the ipod, which clearly revolutionized mp3 players and people actually paying for digital albums. At the time, other lesser known products did the same thing. Some better and cheaper. But its all about style and usability. And once the ipod hit, the masses saw an irresistible reason to drop their humongous cd binders and go digital. The same thing happened with the iphone. Millions of people like me who hated navigating cell phones, in spite of their features, fell in love with the iphone.
I'm not saying the same will happen with the iPad, just making the point that both the iphone and ipod pulled it off.
Edit: I should have finished the thread, looks like Insanolord already touched on the same thing.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 16, 2010, 10:58:26 PM
I said the same thing too, just not in the same way. iPod - **** tons of people bought MP3 players for the first time, iPhone - everyone on the planet already owned a cell phone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 16, 2010, 11:20:11 PM
People owned cell phones, but not smart phones. The iPhone was the beginning of smart phone use by normal, non business people.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on February 17, 2010, 09:39:51 AM
People owned cell phones, but not smart phones. The iPhone was the beginning of smart phone use by normal, non business people.
Exactly.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 17, 2010, 04:06:48 PM
I owned a smart phone years before the iPhone came out. Lots of people did. Blackberry, Palm Treo, etc, were all very popular before the iPhone. I'd say the iPhone more or less tricked people into buying a smart phone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on February 17, 2010, 04:23:06 PM
I don't know anyone who owned a Blackberry who wasn't using it primarily for work, and I don't know anyone who owned a Treo, period. I know lots of people who own iPhones who don't need them for anything work-related. I think there was a definite shift there that you aren't appreciating. And how did the iPhone "trick" anyone into doing anything?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 17, 2010, 05:29:15 PM
No, I appreciate the shift, but I think it had much more to do with the iPod+phone than the smart phone aspect of the device. Of course, once it was jailbroken, then people started to appreciate the smart phone part. Apple couldn't give 2 shits either, since if you break a jailbroken phone they won't replace it, and your money is already in their pocket once you buy the phone, so they don't *need* to make money off the app store. I think we're getting way off subject, and the subject is iPad = meh, period.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 17, 2010, 08:09:55 PM
If you're not going to be willing to concede that the iPhone was a revolutionary product and you're going to continue to act like your personal opinion is indisputable fact, then I see no point in continuing this thread.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 18, 2010, 01:00:18 AM
I'm not acting like my opinion is fact, and like I said, a lot of people bought the iPhone. Still, as a piece of technology, it is far from revolutionary. I see no point in talking about the iPhone, unless we're pointing out how the iPad is just a big iPhone without...the phone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on February 18, 2010, 09:39:48 AM
Look at it this way. Apple has created this device the other way around to everybody else: Netbooks were invented by taking standard OS' and shrinking them to 10" devices. The iPad was created by blowing up an iPod/Phone, which, in theory, provides it with all the limitations of its source material.
Maybe it will make sense in time, maybe not, but a far as i can see there is only minor differences over the iPod/Phone duo which really need to be bigger than what they are to make me deliberately want to get one. It feels like more of a "natural extension" (gamecube to Wii, in terms of hardware) than something fresh.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 18, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
I'm not acting like my opinion is fact, and like I said, a lot of people bought the iPhone. Still, as a piece of technology, it is far from revolutionary. I see no point in talking about the iPhone, unless we're pointing out how the iPad is just a big iPhone without...the phone.
When I said you're acting like your opinion is fact, that was in regard to you constantly saying the iPad sucks as if that's not up for debate, disregarding what anyone else might think.
Also, the 3G iPad is a big iPhone, not a big iPod Touch. The iPhone has 4 things that a Touch doesn't--a cellular modem, a GPS chip, an internal microphone, and a camera--and the 3G iPad has 3 of them (and possibly all 4 if you believe some of the rumors).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 19, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
The next iPod touch will probably have all of that stuff. If they added everything all at once, there would be no reason to buy a new one every year. Look, I'm not going to be happy until I convince you that is sucks and you shouldn't buy one, ever.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2010, 09:15:43 PM
Well then I guess you should get used to being unhappy, because I'm very excited for it and am doing everything I can to be able to afford one as soon as possible, and I don't think it would be possible for you to say or do anything that would get me to change my mind.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 19, 2010, 10:54:44 PM
Get a netbook, they're faster, (typically) cheaper, support Flash, have upgradeable memory, USB ports, you can buy a 3G card and use whatever network you want (without a contract, if you wish), can do everything else the iPad can do...
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 19, 2010, 11:11:27 PM
I don't want a netbook, not even if I could get it to run OS X. I don't want a shrunk down version of a desktop OS, and I want the interface the iPad brings to the table. I don't care about Flash; I haven't missed it on my iPhone and the only reason I might want it is Hulu, which is rumored to be working on an iPad app. (edit: Silverlight would definitely be nice, though, as I use Netflix streaming all the time) I must also live in the only city in the country where AT&T is great; I have no complaints with them. I suppose something like an SD card slot would be nice, but there are workarounds, and if I really want it I can get the photo adapter for the iPad which lets you connect an SD card to it. I realize there are devices that do everything the iPad does and more; my concern is how well it does what it does, and based on what I've seen of it and my time with an iPhone, I'm convinced the iPad will do what it does very, very well.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on February 20, 2010, 01:08:52 AM
Netbooks are faster? Really? First off, very few people have even touched an iPad, so it's tough to say how fast it is, but every hands-on impression that's out there says it SCREAMS.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 01:18:11 AM
Netbooks are faster? Really? First off, very few people have even touched an iPad, so it's tough to say how fast it is, but every hands-on impression that's out there says it SCREAMS.
Yeah, I didn't address that point because I haven't used an iPad and thus can't speak to it, but I'm guessing neither has Brandogg. The speed of my iPhone 3G is fast enough for me; the 3GS is much faster than that and supposedly the iPad is even faster.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 20, 2010, 04:39:26 PM
Screams at what though? It was built to do what it does, so of course, the limited things that it does, it will do pretty well. There's no debating that. Also, Hulu has been "rumored" to be making an iPod app...for about 2 years. Another good thing about netbooks is they are not tied down to their OS, you can install any version of Windows you want, Linux, etc, and I think I've seen a few that can run OSX as well.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 06:48:04 PM
I want the touch interface of the iPad, though. I'd prefer it ran a version of OS X optimized for that interface, a fusion of what the iPad is and what a ModBook is, but that doesn't exist, and to me the iPad is the next best thing.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 20, 2010, 10:57:47 PM
I guess one positive thing is that you can control the entire system with your penis. I never thought of that before.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 20, 2010, 11:27:55 PM
See, you're beginning to warm up to it already.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on February 21, 2010, 01:51:48 AM
Exactly, think of how this will revolutionize the porn industry.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2010, 02:12:31 AM
Actually, since it's multi-touch, you're going to need multiple penises for that to work.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Shaymin on February 21, 2010, 09:28:45 AM
... excuse me, I have to gouge out my mind's eye right now.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on February 21, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
I want the touch interface of the iPad, though. I'd prefer it ran a version of OS X optimized for that interface, a fusion of what the iPad is and what a ModBook is, but that doesn't exist, and to me the iPad is the next best thing.
I'm kinda stubborn on this point. I don't want the next best thing. My money is effectively their reward for making a product i want. Not a product that comes close to what i want. And given the, to-be-announced-but-likely-wallet-stealing UK prices it's going to have to be bang on and not just-about.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_Lindy on February 21, 2010, 12:54:05 PM
I'm late to this thread, but it's nice to see that the iPad has turned friends into foes much like it did on Twitter with Obi, Andy and myself. Also, important note: Twitter is the worst medium for a nerd fact war, ever.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: GearBoxClock on February 21, 2010, 12:55:52 PM
I don't like the fact that this will sell a huge amount despite lacking several key features that laptops of slightly higher prices have. Like multitasking and not having to deal with iTunes.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2010, 06:37:29 PM
I'm late to this thread, but it's nice to see that the iPad has turned friends into foes much like it did on Twitter with Obi, Andy and myself. Also, important note: Twitter is the worst medium for a nerd fact war, ever.
I'm going to have to disagree with that; the 140 character limit makes it impossible, or at least a lot harder, for someone to post a wall of text, and fewer walls of text is in everyone's best interest.
I don't like the fact that this will sell a huge amount despite lacking several key features that laptops of slightly higher prices have. Like multitasking and not having to deal with iTunes.
I have no evidence to back it up, but I've got a feeling that multitasking is going to be in iPhone OS 4.0, which should be coming out within 6 months. As for iTunes, I know on OS X there are several pieces of software that let you load media onto an iPod or iPhone without going through iTunes, and with the App Store on the device itself you wouldn't need to sync with iTunes unless you were backing the device up or upgrading the firmware.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on February 21, 2010, 08:05:11 PM
It's funny. My brother's birthday is around the corner and his girlfriend said she would buy an iPad for him if he really wanted one. So my brother considered it. He already has an iPhone and he was wondering what was being brought to the table other than a bigger screen (which he admits, is nice).
Anyway, he saw what Tosh.O did and couldn't help but agree.
My point is, he was given the chance to have an iPad -- FOR FREE -- and he passed it up.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on February 21, 2010, 08:16:43 PM
It doesn't sound like he had the chance to have an iPad for free and passed it up; he decided he'd rather have something else for his birthday. It wasn't a choice between having an iPad and not having an iPad, it was a choice between an iPad and something else. I doubt he'd have said no if it had truly been free, with no trade-offs.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on February 21, 2010, 09:12:23 PM
Well regardless. He's befuddled because he doesn't no what else to get. Nothing comes to mind. But he knows for certain he doesn't want an iPad. It's not even an option anymore.
Just sayin'.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on February 22, 2010, 12:45:58 AM
BTW, when you have more than one, it's penii. It's not a real word, but it sounds more awesome.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Spinnzilla on February 22, 2010, 08:37:54 AM
My main problem with the Ipad is the pricing. It's hard to convince me to shell out $500 for something that's so download relient and only have a 16 gig harddrive.
Plus, just touch screen tech is overrated. :P
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2010, 02:45:46 AM
I think we have an iPad killer on our hands.... probably cost the same too. http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/06/icds-tegra-2-powered-gemini-is-the-most-feature-complete-tablet/
Tegra 2 Android based 11.2" widescreen tablet. App store, makes calls, does txt, takes pics, does video/chat and uses USB items.
How long is 40 Watt hours though?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 07, 2010, 03:30:58 AM
I don't think people really care about the iPad not being able to make calls; it's not portable enough to be a full-time phone and who's going to want to pay upwards of $40 a month in addition to their regular phone. As for the other stuff, I'm a die hard Apple fanatic, but I can't defend the decision to withhold the camera until version 2, and although I don't care about USB connectivity it seems like something a lot of people do care about.
It may be an iPad killer in terms of features (at least for right now), but, like the Droid and Nexus One, it won't win in terms of sales, and I doubt it'll be close.
EDIT: I suppose it wouldn't cost that much, probably just $10 for an extra line, but I still can't think of a reason it'd be worth it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 07, 2010, 04:30:37 AM
video chat?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 07, 2010, 05:04:47 AM
That falls under the part where I can't defend Apple's decision to wait until version 2 for the camera; I'd assume any video chat would be through VOIP and not the provider's service. They'll be trying to sell that thing as a video chat device right around when Apple unveils the next iPhone with its heavily rumored front facing camera for video chat.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on April 07, 2010, 03:09:17 PM
People are ALREADY complaining about the dodgy wifi.
Didn't take long.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: EasyCure on April 07, 2010, 06:07:28 PM
The next iPod touch will probably have all of that stuff. If they added everything all at once, there would be no reason to buy a new one every year. Look, I'm not going to be happy until I convince you that is sucks and you shouldn't buy one, ever.
I have no evidence to back it up, but I've got a feeling that multitasking is going to be in iPhone OS 4.0, which should be coming out within 6 months.
I have no evidence to back this up, since I just read it today and it was more speculation about OS 4.0.. but it looks like OS 4.0 will allow only limited multitasking. That is, it'll be slightly better than whats already being offered (multitasking between Apples apps), but still limited. Looks like they'll be handpicking certain apps that you're allowed to multitask with. What gives?
Again, i have no evidence to back that up, BUT.. this is one of those safe bets that analyst throw out for credibility.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 07, 2010, 11:19:44 PM
They'll pick certain, low-resource apps, so it doesn't hinder the performance, at least not noticeably.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 04:47:42 PM
After reading what the multitasking can do, which anyone who's interested can do here (http://www.macworld.com/article/150488/2010/04/iphone4_features.html?lsrc=newsalert), it seems like Apple addressed everything I care about. You can stream audio (Pandora, etc.) in the background, use VOIP like Skype in the background, finish long tasks in the background, use location-based services (GPS), they've implemented something like save states on the Virtual Console so you can jump back to the exact point you were at when you switch back to an app, and push notifications no longer require an external server; I really don't know what else you could need. Also exciting for me is the fact that you can now finally use folders for apps on the home screen, and especially that it is at long last possible to create and edit playlists on the device.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on April 08, 2010, 05:16:44 PM
I was thinking Apple made some good moves in iPhone OS 4.0, but then I saw this (http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler). **** Apple.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
The cold war between Apple and Adobe just got hot. Personally, I don't disagree with the sentiment behind the rule, but I can see how it would piss a number of people off. I'm curious to see how Adobe will respond to this.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on April 08, 2010, 06:17:52 PM
It's pretty clear that this is a direct attack on Adobe, but it's going to affect a lot of other software. For instance, Virtual Console-like games will not be allowed since the games are emulated, not directly coded. This ridiculous over-control is starting to turn devs off of the platform.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on April 08, 2010, 06:32:08 PM
I have a couple quick questions about iPhone 4.0.
1) Is it new hardware or it is just a software update? 2) Is it only for the iPhone or will there be an iPod Touch version as well?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 06:36:12 PM
Emulators were already technically against the rules, though there have been exceptions. If this truly is the shot at Adobe it appears to be, it's not unlikely that Apple would make exceptions for such other products as well.
1) Is it new hardware or it is just a software update? 2) Is it only for the iPhone or will there be an iPod Touch version as well?
It will be a software update for older hardware as well as for new hardware, but certain features, most notably multitasking, require at least a 3GS. The software update will be available for iPod Touch users, though it may require a small fee (previous versions have been $10 for the upgrade).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2010, 06:41:14 PM
I was thinking Apple made some good moves in iPhone OS 4.0, but then I saw this (http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler). **** Apple.
Sooooo
Apple vs Microsoft (Mac vs PC) Apple Vs Google (iPhone vs Android) -Apple+MS vs Google (Bing vs Google Search) Apple vs Nintendo (iPhone vs DS) Apple vs Adobe (iPhone vs Flash) Apple vs Sony (iPhone/iPod vs PSP/Walkman)
is there anyone Apple isn't competing with?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on April 08, 2010, 06:42:00 PM
Emulators were already technically against the rules, though there have been exceptions. If this truly is the shot at Adobe it appears to be, it's not unlikely that Apple would make exceptions for such other products as well.
General emulators were... as in ones where you could load ROMs, or apps that let you run other programs. I believe integrated ones that only ran a specific game were okay. This change moves it down a level.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on April 08, 2010, 06:44:53 PM
I was thinking Apple made some good moves in iPhone OS 4.0, but then I saw this (http://daringfireball.net/2010/04/iphone_agreement_bans_flash_compiler). **** Apple.
Sooooo
Apple vs Microsoft (Mac vs PC) Apple Vs Google (iPhone vs Android) -Apple+MS vs Google (Bing vs Google Search) Apple vs Nintendo (iPhone vs DS) Apple vs Adobe (iPhone vs Flash) Apple vs Sony (iPhone/iPod vs PSP/Walkman)
is there anyone Apple isn't competing with?
I don't think Apple's really taken a side in the search engine battle yet, and if they have then they're with Google, as it remains the default search engine in all versions of Safari. There have been rumors lately of Apple developing their own search engine, but I don't put much stock in them. And they must thrive on the competition, as they keep posting record financial numbers.
Emulators were already technically against the rules, though there have been exceptions. If this truly is the shot at Adobe it appears to be, it's not unlikely that Apple would make exceptions for such other products as well.
General emulators were... as in ones where you could load ROMs, or apps that let you run other programs. I believe integrated ones that only ran a specific game were okay. This change moves it down a level.
But despite that rule Sega has a Genesis emulator with in-app DLC purchases of games; I'd wait until when and if Apple rejects one of these collateral damage apps to see if they care about enforcing the rule outside of the Adobe situation.
is that to compete with Google on their home turf?
Bingo.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: mantidor on April 08, 2010, 07:32:44 PM
Apple is starting to annoy me, the can make crap and sell tons of it.
So far I didn't care, but it boogles the mind that some people think the iPad works as good book reader when the e-ink devices are far, FAR superior.
And I don't care all the people defending lcd screens, they are in denial and going blind when they reach old age, I've tried reading papers in my desktop computer and it only gives you a headache, even newspaper articles are painful. For browsing a forum and looking at video lcds are ok but anything longer than a couple of paragraphs is torture.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on April 08, 2010, 07:41:45 PM
It will be a software update for older hardware as well as for new hardware, but certain features, most notably multitasking, require at least a 3GS. The software update will be available for iPod Touch users, though it may require a small fee (previous versions have been $10 for the upgrade).
My dad has a second generation 16 GB iPod Touch. He wants to upgrade to a 64 GB one. Any significant reason why he should wait for the new model or should he just upgrade now?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 08, 2010, 07:45:44 PM
future proofing. The new iPod should be out this summer, so it's not like it's that long of a wait.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
It will be a software update for older hardware as well as for new hardware, but certain features, most notably multitasking, require at least a 3GS. The software update will be available for iPod Touch users, though it may require a small fee (previous versions have been $10 for the upgrade).
My dad has a second generation 16 GB iPod Touch. He wants to upgrade to a 64 GB one. Any significant reason why he should wait for the new model or should he just upgrade now?
The current model should support all the features of 4.0, but the new model will most likely go up to 128 GB, and even if he doesn't need the extra space that would mean the 64 GB model would be $100 cheaper. It's also likely that the new model will include a camera, if he'd be interested in that.
Apple is starting to annoy me, the can make crap and sell tons of it.
So far I didn't care, but it boogles the mind that some people think the iPad works as good book reader when the e-ink devices are far, FAR superior.
And I don't care all the people defending lcd screens, they are in denial and going blind when they reach old age, I've tried reading papers in my desktop computer and it only gives you a headache, even newspaper articles are painful. For browsing a forum and looking at video lcds are ok but anything longer than a couple of paragraphs is torture.
Don't assume that because you have problems with LCD screens that everyone else does; I spend the majority of my time looking at LCD screens, and I don't have any eye problems or headaches.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on April 08, 2010, 11:26:05 PM
You guys here the announcement today about Apple's online gaming network for the iphone and ipad? Its sounds like a min xbox live as you get achievements, buddy invites, etc Pretty bold move from a company thats forever ignored gaming.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 08, 2010, 11:32:43 PM
Yeah, Apple's turning a corner in terms of gaming; first Steam comes to OS X, now Apple creates a centralized service for the iPhone OS. It's a good thing too, as there were several companies trying to do this already, which was segmenting the market. Apple's solution should cover a far larger number of games, though I wonder how those other companies, particularly the people behind OpenFeint and ngmoco with the Plus system, feel about this.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on April 09, 2010, 11:23:55 AM
I hate how sexy iMacs are. The one I have here at work is just so damn pretty. Makes me feel like **** when I return to my Dell Laptop.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: DAaaMan64 on April 09, 2010, 04:20:32 PM
i'llPass
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on April 09, 2010, 04:26:15 PM
This argument is wibbly when you have to buy a new one to be futureproofed.
None of these updates mentioned the original iPhone which is only 3 years old (shocking given people were leaving 24 month contracts last year from them?) and they get no updates at all.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on April 09, 2010, 04:32:30 PM
Apple is starting to annoy me, the can make crap and sell tons of it.
So far I didn't care, but it boogles the mind that some people think the iPad works as good book reader when the e-ink devices are far, FAR superior.
And I don't care all the people defending lcd screens, they are in denial and going blind when they reach old age, I've tried reading papers in my desktop computer and it only gives you a headache, even newspaper articles are painful. For browsing a forum and looking at video lcds are ok but anything longer than a couple of paragraphs is torture.
This is SO ridiculous. Most people here probably spend HOURS and HOURS every single day staring at LCD screens, either at work or at home. I know I'm one of them. Blogs and online news sources are hugely popular and many/most of those articles are several paragraphs long or longer. And still, I don't think I've heard a single report of someone's eyes burning out of their sockets because of how long they've been reading things on LCD screens. If you are seriously getting headaches from reading news articles on your computer, which millions of people do every day, I think there's something wrong with you. I really think all the "e-ink is the only way to read on a screen" stuff is so much marketing BS.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: mantidor on April 09, 2010, 07:05:58 PM
I was being facetious...
Still, e-ink devices are awesome specially for reading outside in bright sunlight. There's no marketing ploy, reading for long periods does tire your eyes and theres no denying that. Doctors aren't lying when they say you should rest 5 minutes every hour or so. Just because you can do it doesn't mean is healthy. I mean, some WoW players con go 20 hours straight, that doesn't mean it's perfectly normal. And anyway, if you think reading forums and news on the internet can even compare to actually reading books you should reconsider how much of serious reader you are. Go and read the divine comedy in one sitting with an lcd screen to see how you feel after you finish.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: mac<censored> on April 09, 2010, 07:21:40 PM
This is SO ridiculous. Most people here probably spend HOURS and HOURS every single day staring at LCD screens, either at work or at home. I know I'm one of them. Blogs and online news sources are hugely popular and many/most of those articles are several paragraphs long or longer. And still, I don't think I've heard a single report of someone's eyes burning out of their sockets because of how long they've been reading things on LCD screens. If you are seriously getting headaches from reading news articles on your computer, which millions of people do every day, I think there's something wrong with you. I really think all the "e-ink is the only way to read on a screen" stuff is so much marketing BS.
People read that way because they don't have much choice other than printing it all out, which really only makes sense for something you're going to spend quite a bit of time reading.
Nonetheless, many people find reading on paper far nicer than reading on a bright backlit LCD, and find the latter to be pretty annoying for any kind of lengthy reading (as opposed to frothy/short reading like blogs, forums, etc, where the dynamic nature of a computer display more than makes up for the display quality).
That isn't to say that e-ink is as good as paper -- it isn't -- just that conventional backlit LCDs like the ipad uses really aren't the best for the sort of reading that other ebooks are aimed at, and e-ink is arguably a bit better.
[I also spend my whole day staring at an LCD display, and far prefer reading a paper book if I've got one handy. I'm a bit meh about current ebooks -- e-ink is a nice idea, but the hype rather exceeds the reality -- but the ipad is a step backward for that usage as far as I can tell, and even more hypetastic than e-ink...]
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 09, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
The eBook functionality isn't anywhere near the top of the list of reasons I want an iPad, but what I like about it is you can read eBooks from almost any source. The built-in iBooks app lets you read books from iTunes and unprotected files, the Kindle app lets you read books from the Kindle store, the Barnes & Noble app lets you read books made for the Nook, and Stanza supports several more formats. It's not as nice as having them all in one place, but it gives the freedom to buy from lots of different places.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 09, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
You guys here the announcement today about Apple's online gaming network for the iphone and ipad? Its sounds like a min xbox live as you get achievements, buddy invites, etc Pretty bold move from a company thats forever ignored gaming.
Not just ignored, they actually discouraged gaming on Macs because they didn't want their computers to be known as gaming machines. They are still far from being competitive in computer gaming though.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 10, 2010, 10:31:25 AM
All of this "Xbox Live-esque" stuff being mentioned is going to be awesome...because no one will use it...because no one pays for games.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on April 10, 2010, 08:04:47 PM
Lots of people pay for games. And you don't think the Game Center stuff will be used in free games?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on April 10, 2010, 08:06:17 PM
All of this "Xbox Live-esque" stuff being mentioned is going to be awesome...because no one will use it...because no one pays for games.
That's just about the stupidest thing I've read in a while. There's a reason there are 150,000 apps on the App Store, and that's because there's money to be made there.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 10, 2010, 11:03:55 PM
It's not the stupidest thing you've read in a while. Look at all the "big" iPhone games, most of them have around a 90% to 10% pirated vs bought (don't know how they get those numbers though) ratio. Sure, there is money to be made, but I would think Apple would be smart enough to not let people take advantage of this Game Center stuff if they haven't actually bought the game, seeing as when you actually buy something, it has to be done through the App Store, so Apple has a history of your purchase.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on April 10, 2010, 11:42:53 PM
Look at all the "big" iPhone games, most of them have around a 90% to 10% pirated vs bought (don't know how they get those numbers though) ratio.
What's your source on that? I find that to be well nigh unbelievable.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 10, 2010, 11:47:06 PM
It may not be the stupidest, but it's pretty damn stupid to argue that no one buys iPhone games. Sure, there's piracy, but there's piracy on every platform, and gaming on the iPhone is succeeding despite it.
Game Center seems to just be a way of consolidating the various competing services like OpenFeint and Plus+ into one comprehensive service. I'm not sure if any of those services have any kind of anti-piracy features, so I don't know what Apple plans to include.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 11, 2010, 01:49:16 PM
I don't have a source, but I've read many times where a dev will say that there is a 90% piracy rate for their iPhone software. You don't have to believe me. Even if I had a source, there's really no way to confirm that it's true, as they really have no idea how many people are downloading their software illegal, there are just too many ways to do it. People do buy games, of course, but a lot more people steal them, or at least steal many more games that the person who actually buys them purchases.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on April 11, 2010, 02:08:29 PM
I've read it a few times too, but not for the "big" iPhone games. The small ones probably get pirated so much cause a lot fewer people are willing to pay for a game they've never heard of and aren't sure whether it's any good. I imagine the big titles (Scrabble, GTA, etc.) probably have enough exposure to mainstream iPhone users (non-jailbreakers) that the piracy rate is much lower.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: mac<censored> on April 11, 2010, 08:00:21 PM
I expect a lot of people also just don't take those little games seriously. The industry has worked so hard to to make "piracy" seem so grave and serious, that there's a real cognitive dissonance associating it with goofy little 5 second games from unknown companies....
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ThePerm on April 15, 2010, 02:09:19 AM
the iPad is an incredible piece of machinery! PM me for a NSFW video that makes the iPad GOLD
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2010, 03:37:25 AM
PM
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: stevey on April 15, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
A step in the right direction: Israel bans imports/use of Apple iPad (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jDYekOtFduo2GJmQUWy0iZO1MkBQD9F3K6B01) Beside the apple logo I don't see why anyone who's sane would get one anyone. The ipad is too big and clunky to be a phone, hand-held game system, or PDA; too weak to be a viable laptop or even a netbook; and worst of all, tablet PCs can do everything and more for the same price without being locked into the only apple approved soft/hardware.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
I don't understand how people can not see the potential uses for this thing. I've been in several situations recently where I came to the realization that having an iPad would be an ideal solution. Having a second computer or a second monitor would have also worked, but neither would be as practical as the iPad. I can see how someone could argue that it's not worth the money for them, but the thing definitely has uses.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2010, 05:26:35 PM
I don't think anyone here has said the iPad doesn't have a use--and if they have they're lying.
Would I like an iPad? Hell yes. Would I pay for one? Nope.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 15, 2010, 05:29:56 PM
If you go up and read this thread, or the internet in general, there are plenty of people who have said that.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2010, 08:37:42 PM
I wouldn't want an iPad if it were given to me. I'd flip it in a second.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2010, 08:51:01 PM
I wouldn't want an iPad if it were given to me. I'd flip it in a second.
I'd play with it first.... realize that I have no practical use for it and then sell it to the highest bidder.
But if I could use it as a document viewer like .pdf only have people sign the pad, I could do paperless loans and it would be very portable for that. All it would really need is a camera w/ flash for pictures of documents and I.D.'s & the ability to wirelessly hook up to a printer(that is not an Apple printer)
That could have some real potential.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2010, 08:55:53 PM
I wouldn't want an iPad if it were given to me. I'd flip it in a second.
Looks to me like he said he wouldn't want an iPad even if it was given to him for free. Isn't that saying he doesn't want an iPad and would sell it if someone gave it to him?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on April 15, 2010, 09:12:23 PM
If I gave you the choice of an iPad that you couldn't sell or nothing at all which would you take?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 15, 2010, 09:14:57 PM
I would, but it would have no 3G connection and probably wouldn't be used very much if ever.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on April 15, 2010, 09:15:18 PM
Could I still give it away?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 16, 2010, 11:14:55 PM
So...I might be able to get a 64GB iPad 3G for $400...that, I would actually consider.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 16, 2010, 11:30:06 PM
So...I might be able to get a 64GB iPad 3G for $400...that, I would actually consider.
Hey, cheaper than 3 iphones duck-taped together (http://www.beersteak.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ipad-taped-iphone.jpg)!
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ThePerm on April 17, 2010, 04:10:11 AM
check your PM BnM :P
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: kraken613 on April 18, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
I got to use my friends iPad for a full evening.
Yeah it maybe a big iPhone or iPod Touch but it is big one. Much more usable and something you could use as a main device. Browsing was great on it and very comfortable. Reading when the backlight was down seemed good too. The full iPad apps from what he had seemed very deep and feature packed.
When the 2nd Gen iPad comes out this is something I will consider.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 02:22:13 AM
Just to piss off Brandogg, Apple's iPad already accounts for the same amount of Internet traffic as the entire Android platform. (http://www.macworld.com/article/150648/2010/04/ipad_online_usage.html?lsrc=rss_main)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on April 18, 2010, 01:24:13 PM
But that can't be right! Android does!! Right!?!
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 18, 2010, 04:33:07 PM
You're comparing basically a tablet PC to cell phones though. I would hope people were actually browsing the web with the iPad, since apparently that's what it was made for...
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 07:59:37 PM
Well the iPad isn't even close to the iPhone, which has nearly 20 times the Internet traffic, so I don't think it's just because it's a tablet versus a phone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 18, 2010, 09:54:55 PM
But there are more iPhones out there than any other phone (and surely more than 20x more iPhones than iPads)...and of course people are using their internet connection. I get what you're doing here, but then again I don't. It doesn't piss me off that people actually use a product that they buy. I think the $400 iPad thing is a bust, but if something comes up, you will all know.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 18, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
It was supposed to piss you off that the iPad is selling; you made it clear that you thought it was awful and tried your damnedest to convince everyone else of that. It was also a shot at the Android platform in general, as it is nowhere close to the iPhone killer it was touted as and probably only gained most of the traction that it has because it's available on carriers that aren't AT&T, which I figured would upset you.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on April 18, 2010, 10:25:25 PM
I would love to be given a iPad, but I sure as hell would not pay $500 +tax (which is the lowest price for it). The most I would pay is $300 (which Apple could apparently still make a profit on as iSuppli estimates that it costs Apple $260 to make the iPad).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: mac<censored> on April 19, 2010, 01:14:56 AM
It was supposed to piss you off that the iPad is selling; you made it clear that you thought it was awful and tried your damnedest to convince everyone else of that.
Er, but "the ipad is awful" is not synonymous with "the ipad isn't selling"; given the pre-release hype, it would have been very surprising if didn't sell.
Note that I don't see any reason to think the ipad is "awful", but it seems very unlikely to live up to the hype. The iphone is popular for some pretty good reasons -- it's stylish, simple, and does a decent job of making a "good enough" version of the internet available in a handy bring-everywhere package. The "bring everywhere" point is extremely significant. The ipad, despite having many of the same limitations as the iphone (same gimped OS, etc), is not something you can just tote along without thinking, and I think that makes it far less useful to most people. It's much more like a laptop, where you have to actually think "do i really wanna bring the laptop/ipad?" It's fine for browsing while sitting on the couch, and that's a niche that it will no doubt do well in, but really not quite the world-changer that all the recent hyperventilation suggests...
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on April 20, 2010, 11:01:15 AM
AT&T has Android phones now.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 20, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
Even though they acknowledge their massive network problems, they decided it would be a good idea to put even more phones out there. Great logic there, AT&T, right up there with spending huge amounts of money in an advertising pissing contest with Verizon instead of investing it in your network.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2010, 04:58:02 PM
They lost that ad war big time. Verizon has a brilliant attack plan with those ads and they worked beautifully.
Besides, it's in AT&T's best interest to just focus on 4G at this point and not try to play catch up with the soon to be outdated 3G.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 20, 2010, 05:22:22 PM
It's going to be several years before anywhere close to a majority of phones on AT&T's (or Verizon's or anyone's) network are capable of 4G. They need to invest in 4G, but they need to make significant improvements to their 3G network as well.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2010, 05:34:29 PM
Verizon and AT&T are launching 4G at the end of this year. Sprint has already lauched theirs.
I'm not waiting for a 4G phone since your right, the network will only cover the most heavily populated areas of the country first, and it will be 2-3 years before all major cities and their suburbs are covered, but have you seen the spec sheet for the 4G techs that are coming out?
If deployed right, 4G could blanket the US faster than 3G did.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 20, 2010, 05:44:52 PM
I'm not talking about the fact that it's only going to be in the biggest cities initially; I'm talking about the fact that only a few phones will support it, even by the end of this year. Well over 90% of the people who buy phones this year won't be able to use 4G, and 100% of everyone else as well. Most people buy phones with a contract which would limit when they could buy a new phone; I know that when I buy my new iPhone later this year, which has been pretty much confirmed to not have 4G, I won't be able to upgrade to a new one (without paying more than twice the price) for at least a year and a half. It's going to be a long time until 4G has enough market share to fully focus network development on it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 20, 2010, 06:00:15 PM
Of course. Why would there be phones to support a standard that hasn't been released yet?
as far as AT&T & Verizon are concerned, there won't be a 4G phone until the end of the year since they have no 4G network yet.
I expect AT&T to continue their slow strengthening of their 3G network, but I was saying that they should focus on making sure their 4G network is top-notch right off the bat so that they aren't behind the curve again in the next round of cell tower tech/coverage.
They currently sit in 3rd behind Verizon (#1) and Sprint (#2) since they both have compatible 3G networks, so it would be in AT&T's best interest to focus on superior 4G coverage going forward since to neglect it and funnel all resources to 3G at this point would be kind of stupid.
Sort of like Nintendo releasing a WiiHD next summer and then Wii2 (that's Wii BC)that holiday. Waste of resources.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on April 27, 2010, 03:06:28 PM
I'm keeping my eye on competing tablets coming out this year. Waiting for a nice "TV companion" I can use when i'm on the kowch.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on April 27, 2010, 03:14:17 PM
My Asus (Intel Atom) netbook was $250 on sale, with 4hr battery. I intended to use it as a text chat interface as a substitute for Wii Speek.
I'm hoping it's competitively priced to the iPad since it looks to blow it out of the water, but since the other Android based tablets look to be aiming for the $400-$500 price range, I would guess $550-$650.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on April 27, 2010, 07:47:16 PM
Nice to see so much competition out the gate! Took a while for people to really take shots at the iPhone with comparable products. This should make for a major iPad upgrade next year.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on April 30, 2010, 01:51:05 AM
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: D_Average on April 30, 2010, 02:01:16 AM
Maaaan, I want one now
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 02, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
I hope one of those Android tablets actually materializes, or else the iPad isn't going to have any competition since HP and Microsoft both canned their tablets. The iPad had usurpers to its throne before it was even officially announced, and now those same competitors have surrendered before the war even started.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 03, 2010, 01:26:56 AM
Well HP did just buy Palm so that they could possibly resurrect their tablet using the Palm OS.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 03, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Yeah I'm almost positive HP canned their Windows tablet so they could focus on using Palm's webOS instead.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 04, 2010, 09:22:19 PM
This isn't necessarily iPad releated, but it's Apple being Apple.
Ellen makes a joke about the iPhone and Apple makes her apologize. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/04/ellen-pokes-fun-at-apple-and-then-apologizes/
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 05, 2010, 09:04:50 PM
I love the way Apple's been acting lately; it's been resulting in great material from Mosspuppet and Fake Steve.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 06, 2010, 10:21:54 PM
Guy demoing Android tablet talks about how great it is that it has Flash; Flash crashes the Android tablet. (http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/05/found-footage-android-tablet-prototype-running-and-crashing-f/)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 06, 2010, 11:32:54 PM
I could probably find a million videos of "guy buy iPod, iPod stops working," I could make about 4 or 5 of them from all of the broken iPods in my house. Same thing with several people I know and their iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 07, 2010, 12:22:56 AM
Yes, but how many could you find that are as poetically perfect as that one?
I hope you can see that, regardless of why they're doing it, Apple is really driving adoption of HTML 5 across the Internet, and that that is definitely a good thing. In typical Apple fashion they've declared something obsolete before it actually is, but this time they're actually in a position to hasten its demise.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 07, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
They declared something obsolete before it actually is - kind of like they do with their iPods/iPhones every year.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on May 08, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
So I tried one of these at Best Buy today, it does have a nice screen, but it had a hard time detecting rotation. In reality, this is a $200-$400 value item, nothing more.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on May 08, 2010, 06:56:05 PM
The UK prices announced: £430!!!!!!! No.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 08, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Isn't that like $275 US dollars though?
(I'm bad with currency)
or do I have it backwards and it's more like $675 US Dollars?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on May 08, 2010, 09:10:41 PM
At current rates: $627. And that's just for the standard wifi model.
And to make it better Orange is offering an unlimited* *800mb 3G data plan. Fail.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 09, 2010, 12:12:40 AM
Is AT&T's "unlimited" plan for this also locked to 5GB like their phones? If so, that's really lame. You basically buy this thing for...nothing but the internet, I could use up 5GB in one day easily.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: noname2200 on May 09, 2010, 01:38:12 AM
Is AT&T's "unlimited" plan for this also locked to 5GB like their phones? If so, that's really lame. You basically buy this thing for...nothing but the internet, I could use up 5GB in one day easily.
Don't forget the 3G model also has a wifi antenna, and internet access via wifi obviously doesn't go toward your 3G data usage. If I were to get the 3G model, the vast majority of my internet usage would still be via wifi. I probably could live with the cheaper 250 MB 3G data plan!
Regardless, I haven't heard any reports that the 3G model has a 5GB limit on the "unlimited" plan.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 09, 2010, 12:59:31 PM
So I tried one of these at Best Buy today, it does have a nice screen, but it had a hard time detecting rotation. In reality, this is a $200-$400 value item, nothing more.
So it should be the exact same price as an iPod Touch, even though it has 4 times the screen real estate and longer battery life?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on May 09, 2010, 01:05:18 PM
ipod touch is also overpriced.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 09, 2010, 09:23:19 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 10, 2010, 12:38:07 AM
Extremely overpriced. The portability aspect of the iPad is it's biggest draw (right?), so I would typically use one everywhere that is not connected to WiFi...since I could just use a real computer most of the time.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 10, 2010, 02:35:48 PM
The portability aspect of the iPad is it's biggest draw (right?)
Not as I see it - the biggest draw is the UI and the app store in my opinion. If I someday get one, I'd use it at home 95% of the time. I'm currently doing the majority of my casual web browsing, email checking, and Twitter/Facebooking on my iPod Touch in bed or in my living room. An iPad would be a nice upgrade for that kind of usage.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 10, 2010, 03:07:31 PM
Casual tasks? Zero productivity.
I totally understand now. Apple users.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 10, 2010, 03:18:59 PM
Sorry I'm not "productive" when I'm browsing the web, posting on forums, checking email and social networking sites at home, I'm sure when you do the exact same things at home on your real computer you're SUPER productive.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on May 10, 2010, 04:21:05 PM
Well, the iPad/iTouch/iPhone OS is fairly limited when it comes to productivity apps, but most people don't produce anything 90% of the time when they are on a PC anyhow.
Only things I need in a portable unit like the iPad are: web with Flash, music playback, and word processing. Since I need word processing that limits me from getting any pad system unless they are super cheap.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 11, 2010, 07:07:24 PM
My iPad was supposed to come yesterday, then supposed to come today, but it just kept showing up as being in Connecticut. Now for some reason it was shipped to Alaska, when I'm in Pennsylvania. I have no reason to not believe Zach Miller is somehow involved in this.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Halbred on May 11, 2010, 08:09:22 PM
I admit nothing.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 11, 2010, 08:50:21 PM
Apparently I fail at geography (not good, as I'm taking that this term), since Connecticut is CT, not CN. I also fail at paying attention, because, in hindsight, I probably should have realized that Shenzhen didn't really sound like the name of a city in Connecticut. This situation makes considerably more sense now. It's still probably Halbred's fault.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 11, 2010, 09:18:49 PM
CN is Cartoon Network
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on May 11, 2010, 09:32:53 PM
CN is the empty husk of what used to be the Cartoon Network
fixed.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on May 11, 2010, 10:05:50 PM
is ipad absorbent?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 11, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
Is the Wii warm and yellow and smelly?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 11, 2010, 11:31:00 PM
Only when it's dehydrated.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 12, 2010, 09:33:35 PM
Flash caused me to Force Quit Firefox just as I was about to sync my iPad for the first time. That'd be hilarious if it weren't infuriating.
This thing is so awesome. I'd take a picture of how pretty it is before it gets all covered in fingerprints, but the only camera I have is my iPhone camera, which sucks.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 12, 2010, 10:05:50 PM
CN is the empty husk of what used to be the Cartoon Network
fixed.
Other than a few shows, Cartoon Network is still really good. Pokémon DP: Galactic Battles (although the new season starts this month and will be called Pokémon DP: Sinnoh League Victors), The Boondocks, King of the Hill, American Dad!, Family Guy, The PJ's. Those are pretty much what I watch on it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 12, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
Adventure Time!!?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Plugabugz on May 14, 2010, 08:08:22 AM
I saw someone using this in a train station in central london yesterday evening around hometime. Given it's one of the most cramped stations imaginable, all someone needed to do was knock him (easy given the streams of people at 5.30pm!) and it's on the floor.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 14, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
It sounded ridiculously overblown when he said it, but Steve Jobs was right: this thing is magical and revolutionary. After a few days of using it I'm convinced that this is the future of computing.
You definitely want one of these. Maybe wait for a price drop, or wait for the Android one if you prefer that OS, but I can't recommend it enough.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on May 14, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
what do you use it for insanolord?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 14, 2010, 04:38:15 PM
I've been using it for pretty much everything the past couple days; I've barely used my regular computer. I've been writing a paper on it, which works surprisingly well. If you use it in landscape orientation the onscreen keyboard is big enough to touch type on, and I've been able to do so with abut the same speed and accuracy as on my regular keyboard. The only thing that slows me down is certain punctuation, which requires an extra step.
This thing truly is the best way to browse the web, especially for me since I don't frequent any sites that make extensive use of Flash. The iPhone is capable of viewing the full, regular Internet, but its limited screen space made it so that it was still often ideal to adapt a site specially for it. The iPad uses the same browser, outside of the UI, but the screen size makes so much of a difference. It really is basically a big iPhone, but the doubled screen size makes a huge difference.
Now that I have this, I'll give real thought to buying a desktop next time I buy a computer, or at least a larger notebook. I bought my 15" notebook for portability, but this is more than capable of doing most of the things I'd need to do away from my desk. I can't wait for OS 4.0 to make this even better, but I can already say that I in no way regret the small fortune I spent on this thing.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 14, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
I will definitely be keeping an eye out for the android version since me and Apple products (through my limited exposure) have never really gotten along.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on May 16, 2010, 08:06:37 PM
Saw it today out in the wild. Played with it a little bit. And as expected...it's pretty slick...
That said, I have no idea how I would use it and if given one, I would still sell it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 17, 2010, 05:01:07 PM
I've been writing a paper on it, which works surprisingly well. If you use it in landscape orientation the onscreen keyboard is big enough to touch type on, and I've been able to do so with abut the same speed and accuracy as on my regular keyboard. The only thing that slows me down is certain punctuation, which requires an extra step.
Yeah, after playing with it in Apple stores a few times, I have to say that I was really surprised how quickly I was able to type on the landscape keyboard. There was very little difference in speed between typing on that and on a regular keyboard for me! I'm convinced that people who continuously crap on the iPad's virtual keyboard simply haven't tried it. When you factor in the auto-correction, which I've had a lot of good luck with generally, you've got a pretty damn good typing device.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2010, 05:33:34 PM
They either never tried it or only tried it in portrait, where the keys are just a little bit too small for it to work. I've surprised myself by spending most of my time with my iPad using it in landscape orientation. I never use my iPhone in landscape unless an app requires me to, but with the iPad it's the exact opposite.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 17, 2010, 06:03:06 PM
Yep, I expect to use the iPad in landscape almost all the time, it just looks better that way. I wish the iPhone/iPod Touch would modify the home screen to rotate to landscape, then I'd use my iPod Touch the exact same way.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 17, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
There are supposed to be over 100 new features in OS 4.0; maybe that's one of them.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on May 17, 2010, 10:16:08 PM
100 new features my ass. Unless they count stuff like transition screens and sounds as features...
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 17, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Here are 60 of the known ones: http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/iphone/ultimate-list-of-iphone-40-features
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 18, 2010, 10:07:33 PM
Apple Store Clerk in response to customer trying to buy an iPad: “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit." (http://www.protocolsnow.com/2010/04/17/how-i-went-from-apple-store-newbie-to-lifetime-ban-in-one-week/)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 18, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
Here are 60 of the known ones: http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/iphone/ultimate-list-of-iphone-40-features
I remember reading through the lists like that for 3.0. It's cool how, although a lot of them are minor tweaks, you'll find at least a few of those minor tweaks to be really great for the way you use the device.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 18, 2010, 10:39:58 PM
Apple Store Clerk in response to customer trying to buy an iPad: “All I can say is that you have reached your lifetime limit." (http://www.protocolsnow.com/2010/04/17/how-i-went-from-apple-store-newbie-to-lifetime-ban-in-one-week/)
Haha, that's funny. I don't get why those people weren't willing to wait a month.
As for OS 4.0, I couldn't care less (this is the correct expression, saying "I could care less" means you DO care about it). Why? Because I have an iPod Touch. If the 3.0 upgrade is any indication, iPhone users will get the upgrade for free and iPod Touch users will have to pay $10 for it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 18, 2010, 11:56:01 PM
Even if you don't have one new enough to be able to multitask, the update is certainly worth $10.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 12:20:34 AM
Not from what i've seen. Besides, either everyone should have to pay for the upgrade or no one should.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2010, 12:50:43 AM
It's factored into the subscription plan for the iPhone; you're paying, just not in the same way.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 08:45:03 AM
Not quite, but I know that the monthly fee is part of the reason. Steve Jobs gave some BS excuse that they legally couldn't give the update for free to iPod Touch owners.
As for multasking, I do have a 3rd gen iPod Touch (but wouldn't be able to use multitasking because I have the 8GB model, multitasking will only work for the 32GB and 64GB models according to Apple).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
Not quite, but I know that the monthly fee is part of the reason. Steve Jobs gave some BS excuse that they legally couldn't give the update for free to iPod Touch owners.
How is the excuse BS? Are you doubting that they would give the update for free if they could? I'm sure that upgrade fee isn't a big revenue generator for them. The reasoning is totally legit.
The 8GB iPod Touch isn't really "3rd gen" at all, it's still just the 2nd gen model. Only the 32 and 64 GB models are 3rd gen. I have the 64 GB model, and I am definitely willing to pay $10 for multitasking, folders, and (this is a big one for me) email threading! A lot of the other stuff is nice too.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 05:51:16 PM
Not quite, but I know that the monthly fee is part of the reason. Steve Jobs gave some BS excuse that they legally couldn't give the update for free to iPod Touch owners.
How is the excuse BS? Are you doubting that they would give the update for free if they could? I'm sure that upgrade fee isn't a big revenue generator for them. The reasoning is totally legit.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't try to swallow everything they feed you all at once. You might end up choking.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 06:50:39 PM
Not quite, but I know that the monthly fee is part of the reason. Steve Jobs gave some BS excuse that they legally couldn't give the update for free to iPod Touch owners.
How is the excuse BS? Are you doubting that they would give the update for free if they could? I'm sure that upgrade fee isn't a big revenue generator for them. The reasoning is totally legit.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but don't try to swallow everything they feed you all at once. You might end up choking.
::eyeroll:: When did I say I swallow everything they feed me? This upgrade fee thing is well-documented and understood, it's not something Steve Jobs just pulled out of his ass and everyone's just saying "I guess I believe you..."
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
I not saying you do, but to instantly brush off the "legally we couldn't provide you with a free update from us on our own hardware that we make all the rules on" excuse without any proof what so ever simply because they said so, makes it seems like your buying whatever they're selling for the moment.
Is there actually a legal reason as to why they couldn't? I ask because I really don't know. And like I said before, I'm not saying your wrong, but I've never seen mention of the law that says they can't, and you just brushed it off too easily.
I say all this as an outsider without too much insight on the topic BTW. I'm not a Mac person, so I don't really follow Apple related news.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 07:04:40 PM
I never said you did, but to instantly brush off the "legally we couldn't provide you with a free update from us on our own hardware that we make all the rules on" excuse without any proof what so ever simply because they said so, makes it seems like your buying whatever they're selling for the moment.
Is there actually a legal reason as to why they couldn't? I ask because I really don't know. And like I said before, I'm not saying your wrong, but I've never seen mention of the law that says they can't, and you just brushed it off too easily.
Of course there's proof, I don't believe it "simply because they said so." I didn't brush it off, I looked into it, using the internet.
Here is the reason for it: http://www.pcworld.com/article/142272/accounting_rules_behind_ipod_touch_update_charge.html (http://www.pcworld.com/article/142272/accounting_rules_behind_ipod_touch_update_charge.html)
So as you can see, they actually DON'T make all the rules on their hardware.
Acting like there's no proof simply because you haven't looked for it is ... well ... I'll be nice, so never mind.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 07:20:28 PM
By the way, no price has been announced for iPod Touch owners to upgrade to 4.0, and the accounting rules in question have changed, largely because of Apple's lobbying efforts, so this question is quite possibly moot.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 19, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
They chose to charge $10 for it because they wanted to make as much money from it as they could. If Apple wanted too they could have charged $0.01 for it. Apple has also supposedly changed their accounting since then, so they shouldn't charge for the update this time (especially since iPad users will get it for free, even those who have the non-subscription Wi-Fi model).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
You don't think the accountants in question would call shenanigans on a $0.01 charge? Why wouldn't they charge iPhone owners similarly if they're just after buckets of cash? Anyway, developing new software costs Apple money, so even if there were no such accounting rules, I wouldn't blame Apple for charging for the updates simply to recoup development costs. Anyway you're right, let's complain when and if Apple actually announces a charge for the new software for iPod Touch owners.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 07:36:37 PM
If you want to get technical, Apple wasn't REQUIRED to charge, but here's an article that aptly explains why the rules in question made it a difficult proposition for them not to: http://macalope.com/2007/02/13/must-the-macalope-do-everything/
I just think it's being anti-Apple for the hell of it to imagine them coming up with some complex, Machiavellian scheme to charge $10 for iPod Touch upgrades when they don't do the same thing for other products like the iPhone or Apple TV.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
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The iPod touch software update released at last month's Macworld Expo added applications that already appeared on the iPhone along with other new features. But it also delivered some confusion among iPod touch owners who wondered why they were being charged $19.99 for a software update.
It turns out Apple didn't have much of a choice about charging for the iPod touch January software update, according to analysts familiar with accounting regulations.
"It's an accounting requirement that if you upgrade a device that's not on a subscription, you have to charge," Needham and Company financial analyst Charles Wolf said. "Apple has a choice of what to charge, but they have to charge."
Does that mean that all those PS3 owners that are about to get the 3D update are gonna be charged to download it?
still sound like BS to me.
They wanted to give it for Free and are free to choose the price so they chose $19.99? why not $0.99 and rebate it later if they wanted to give it away for free.
The fact that they had to charge may not be BS but the excuse given next to what was actually charged is.
If you want to get technical, Apple wasn't REQUIRED to charge, but here's an article that aptly explains why the rules in question made it a difficult proposition for them not to: http://macalope.com/2007/02/13/must-the-macalope-do-everything/ (http://macalope.com/2007/02/13/must-the-macalope-do-everything/)
So what you're saying is that it is infact a BS excuse and if they wanted to give it away for free they could have.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 07:50:20 PM
So what you're saying is that it is infact a BS excuse and if they wanted to give it away for free they could have.
No.... did you read the linked article?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 07:55:46 PM
no. I admit I didn't. I just quoted what you said since I have to click send 3 times before my post would post and added in your quote in the last time before it went through("there is a new post", "you might want to review your post before sending" messages).
reading now though. :D
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 08:02:52 PM
We can go round and round on this, but I don't think it's an issue that can be simply boiled down to "Apple is lying." If they were just greedy and after our money, they wouldn't make up such an excuse, and they'd do this with other products as well, like the Apple TV and iPhone, instead of lobbying to change the rules that they're claiming forces them to charge the extra $10 to iPod Touch users. Maybe they could handle this more charitably, but they aren't a charity. They could charge $100 for the upgrade and they wouldn't be "wrong" to do so - the market would simply tell them whether it was a smart idea or not. If they can charge $10 for extra features that users might find useful, more power to them. That's capitalism. If charging for upgrades causes their iPod Touch sales to plummet, I'm sure they'll find a way to stop.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 08:21:20 PM
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Yes, Apple was technically incorrect in stating that it was “required” by GAAP to charge for the enabler. It could just have easily decided to reopen its books (for the second time in about as many months), taken a charge against prior earnings and potentially affected its future ability to recognize revenue when products ship. That sounds awesome, doesn’t it?
In addition to having a responsibility to its customers, Apple has one to its shareholders, and that option is clearly damaging to shareholders.
So while they could have given it away for free(like they said they wanted to), it wouldn't have made financial sense given the possible repercussion of that action.
But doesn't explain why they charged so much. Just cause they needed to charge something for it, doesn't mean they had to charge that much. They have every right to charge what they wanted, but I wasn't the one to say "Hey, I wanted to give it away for free, but...."
I also understand that the cost of the update was amortized(spread out over a set period of time for those that don't know) for the iPhone so they couldn't just give it away, but was every iPhone user aware that they (technically) were being charged for this upgrade but having it spread out so that they never noticed it on their bill?
But anyway, it doesn't really matter to me since I don't have nor plan on getting an iAnything at any point in the near future.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 08:30:39 PM
was every iPhone user aware that they (technically) were being charged for this upgrade but having it spread out so that they never noticed it on their bill?
Certainly not - are you aware of the nature of the production and R&D costs of every product you buy? More to the point, should you be?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 08:50:59 PM
If I'm being charged for it, I would like to know.
the R&D cost of the phone was included in the original purchase, but an update they mark as free should be free. If it's being amortized to some then I think they would want to know how much and for how long since they may not want it.
I really don't know anything about it. I only commented because it did sound like BS.
I assume it doesn't show up on the bill and it is being amortized behind the scenes, but will you be charged for it if your contract ends and you switch carriers before amortization period is over? is that considered a loss and the entire cost is amortized throughout all subscriptions and not just on a phone by phone basis?
I'm not actually expecting you to have those answers, I just wanted to put them out there. You don't even have to respond since I don't regularly check this thread anyway.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
If a new version of Windows costs money and a new version of OS X costs money, why shouldn't a new version of the iPhone OS cost money? I bought Snow Leopard last year, and although it was way cheaper than any desktop OS update I've ever seen, it was still three times the price of an iPhone update. The R&D for the device itself is factored into the price of it, but the development of the OS is a continuous process and it's certainly fair to charge for a major update.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 19, 2010, 09:07:52 PM
The iPhone's subscription accounting isn't tied to its data contract. You wouldn't be charged for an update no matter what happened to your contract or carrier. The Apple TV has been using the same subscription accounting model as the iPhone, and the Apple TV has no data contract or carrier.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 19, 2010, 09:56:02 PM
Just to be clear, when I commented, it was never to question the value of the update, it was to question the sincerity of the comment and how it was seemingly just dismissed as fact so easily.
They can charge whatever they want for their products and services and I can in turn choose not to buy them, so there is no problem there. But why say you would've if you could've, when you could've but didn't actually want to.
That was the only reason I commented at all. I don't actually know much about the update situation or what is being updated.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 19, 2010, 10:55:03 PM
I think the argument is that Apple would have no problem with just charging for the update; they wouldn't make up an excuse, because in their mind they wouldn't need an excuse.
I remember a few years back, when the first MacBook Pros with 802.11n shipped, but that wasn't a documented feature, and because of that Apple had to charge $2 to activate it because of this same rule. Apple's not going to make people jump through hoops and pay an extra two bucks on a $1000-plus computer unless they have to.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: nickmitch on May 20, 2010, 04:53:45 AM
Apple didn't have to charge. They're just recovering their R&D costs. R&D costs are expensed as incurred under US GAAP. The FASB just announced something to the effect that companies will be able to use what's called the "Milestone Method" (IIRC) to account for R&D, which would let Apple go without charging with somewhat lengthy reasons.
There would be reasons where Apple would have to amortize some of their R&D costs, but I doubt they'd be extensive enough to merit $20.
This is just my 2cents as an accounting major.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on May 20, 2010, 11:28:37 AM
I finally found a use for the ipad.
Airplanes.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on May 20, 2010, 11:39:19 AM
Someone mentioned something about a Google & Verizon Tablet.
Does anyone here know anything about that?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on May 20, 2010, 12:20:49 PM
The CEO of Verizon said that they are working with Google on a tablet computer, but that's about all that either side is saying. He did not say who would manufacture the tablet and did not mention what role Google will play in it. Supposedly they will unveil it early next year. Here is the Wall Street Journal article from last week on it: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704250104575238680540806288.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704250104575238680540806288.html)
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 21, 2010, 08:46:30 PM
Atomic Web is a better iPad browser than Safari for so many reasons, and it'll be even better once third party multitasking arrives.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on May 21, 2010, 11:54:19 PM
Can that sync with Safari bookmarks?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on May 22, 2010, 12:15:41 AM
It didn't when I originally tried it out for iPhone, but it's been updated so you can. You have to do it through their site; the app gives you a code which you plug into their site on your desktop and then you upload an exported bookmarks file (from either Safari or Firefox, or more on the Windows side) which will be synced to your device.
It has actual desktop-style tabs, can block ads, and can be set up to appear as a desktop browser so you don't get automatically rerouted to mobile versions of web sites.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 01:24:57 PM
I was just checking out some videos on what is Chrome OS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMrzw7JFzA&feature=channel and I have to say that yes, it is like a juiced up web browser, but that is what makes it seem so nice.
Everyone surfs the web(probably 95% of computer users main reason for having a PC in the first place), everyone knows the basics on how to use a web browser, and the web browser is just the OS UI. I think this OS is perfect for an upcoming Google Tablet will be the casual OS of the future.
I really gotta get around to making that Google thread I've been meaning to make since middle of last year.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Chrome OS isn't perfect for anything; there is a better choice of OS in every situation, at least any that I can think of. Web apps are not at a point where they can be relied upon exclusively, and I'm not sure they ever will be.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on June 01, 2010, 02:07:06 PM
I wouldn't go that far, I think Google Chrome OS looks really nice and Google's web apps (Docs, Reader, Gmail, Calendar) are pretty mature. I'm definitely open to the idea of a broswer-based OS. I really like cloud computing in general and I think Apple's biggest flaw right now is its lack of cloud services (though I have a strong feeling that is going to change very soon.) The one big thing that Chrome OS seems lacking in is the ability to play high-end games - even Mac OS X has it beat there.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
That's why I said it would be the "Casual" (read: not hardcore or enthusiast) OS of the future.
From the presentations I just watched, it seems to just fit the need of what 99% of people use their computers for these days without all the complicated code, interface, folders & everything else that some of us have gotten somewhat used to by using Windows for the last 15~20 years.
But there is nothing that says it won't support high end games (please don't build in some sort of OnLive system*), it just seems that they've only demonstrated the basics of the UI up the Nov. of last year. (they also mentioned @ that point that it was ~1 year away<see rumor thread>)
*Since this is planned to be could computing online browser OS, I'm just hoping that Google wasn't planning on going with the online cloud/stream gaming model too.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2010, 02:24:15 PM
Why would I want an OS that is only a browser when I could have that exact same browser as well as a full-featured OS?
And as for Apple and cloud computing, I subscribe to MobileMe and love it. I'd also be shocked if WWDC, which is a week away, doesn't bring some more to the table, with MobileMe becoming free and some sort of cloud-based iTunes seeming to be the likeliest (or at least most rumored) new features and the Beatles are coming to iTunes and there's gonna be a midrange mini tower Mac.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on June 01, 2010, 02:46:50 PM
Why would I want an OS that is only a browser when I could have that exact same browser as well as a full-featured OS?
Because it'll save you a couple hundred bucks?
and you are not teh cazual?
Casual users aren't going to use it; most of them won't even be aware of it. The fact that IE still has the vast majority of the market share, and that 1/6 of Internet users still use IE 6, proves that casual users can't be bothered to change the way they do things, even when there are several much better options available for absolutely no cost and with next to no effort involved.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: vudu on June 01, 2010, 03:31:44 PM
The fact that IE still has the vast majority of the market share, and that 1/6 of Internet users still use IE 6, proves that casual users can't be bothered to change the way they do things, even when there are several much better options available for absolutely no cost and with next to no effort involved.
To be fair, I still have to use IE 6 at work. I use Firefox for most stuff, but there are some sites I use that aren't compatible with Firefox. I'm stuck using IE 6 because newer versions aren't compatible with some of our proprietary stuff. Not everyone who uses IE 6 does so by choice.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Once again, you are not the casual user/computer buyer.
WTF is ubuntu? I know its a Linux(like?) thing but if I don't know, then I really don't expect the know-nothing computer buyer to have a clue.
A Chrome PC could be a moderately priced and spec'd PC or Laptop at budget prices for those people that don't want the cost of Windows factored into their price or that don't want to pay the Apple tax for machine that can access the internet.
The reason most people still use IE is because they don't know any better (since it comes with the system) or they have to(everything supports it). It's what automatically pops up when you try to access the internet, and therefore to most, it's good enough. Most people I have introduced to Firefox and even installed a few customizations for them hardly ever look back, but they would never take the initiative to learn about and use something they've never heard of and therefore don't know about.
Take me for example. Why would I choose Linux over whatever is already installed on my machine? I know that Linux exist, but why would I use it? how would Linux make my life easier? the truth is, I don't know so why would I bother looking into it? I know that OSX is a technically better OS, but I've been using windows ever since I graduated from DOS, so it's what I'm used to, it's what I know and that is why it's my OS of choice(it does what I need and that is good enough for now).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 01, 2010, 03:48:16 PM
That's what I'm saying, though: even if Chrome would be a better choice for some people, they wouldn't use it because they wouldn't know any better. Anybody who would be aware enough of Chrome OS to consider using it would be too hardcore to be able to settle for its limited capabilities.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NinGurl69 *huggles on June 01, 2010, 03:49:03 PM
"Casual internet user" is just a modern label for the "AOL crowd".
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: ShyGuy on June 01, 2010, 03:50:37 PM
Oh man, I remember AOL users. They would haunt me, trying to suck out my life force. MSN users were actually worse.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 01, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
That's what I'm saying, though: even if Chrome would be a better choice for some people, they wouldn't use it because they wouldn't know any better. Anybody who would be aware enough of Chrome OS to consider using it would be too hardcore to be able to settle for its limited capabilities.
But look at new computer buyers. The hardcore build their own, the casual wander into a store and buy an overpriced machine with a bunch of software they paid for but will never use.
In this store is a decently spec'd PC bundled with windows selling for $800 right next to it is the same exact computer only bundled with Chrome OS for $650(monitor included for $800).
Which one do you think will get bought more often?
Google is just as much a household name as Microsoft, and Google has been pushing ads for Chrome everywhere from TV to Theater previews and bus stop ads. Once people start to associate Chrome with Google, buying a Chrome PC could be nearly as common as buying a Windows PC. The same scenario could be used for a laptop too (only I don't know if people build their own laptops).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2010, 06:01:58 PM
Chrome OS looks nifty for netbooks. I especially like the idea that anything I make is immediately available for me on the internet. That's a badass idea. There have been so many times that I send myself an email just so I have my presentation ready for class.
That said, I don't like how it looks like the browser. It seems cluttered.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on June 01, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
I especially like the idea that anything I make is immediately available for me on the internet. That's a badass idea.
You really should look into Dropbox (http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/forums/index.php?topic=31030.0).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on June 01, 2010, 06:54:48 PM
Interesting....
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 02, 2010, 06:17:22 AM
Android is a much better choice for a netbook than Chrome.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on June 02, 2010, 07:51:02 PM
Yeah I am very hopeful and excited about the cloud stuff that Apple is probably going to be talking about very soon. It certainly seems like they've been planning something for ages, what with that huge data center in North Carolina and all. Their current cloud support is limited to MobileMe, which, while nice, isn't the full music/video/files cloud backup and access solution that is the Holy Grail to me.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on June 02, 2010, 07:52:08 PM
And Blacknmild, I have been under the impression that since Chrome OS is basically ONLY the browser, it will ONLY be able to run browser-based games and applications. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 02, 2010, 10:45:27 PM
And Blacknmild, I have been under the impression that since Chrome OS is basically ONLY the browser, it will ONLY be able to run browser-based games and applications. I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.
I understand that, but they haven't really gone into depth about what it's capable of yet have they?
From what I watched of the videos I linked to, the UI is just set up to be exactly like a browser since that was what most people are comfortable & familiar with. Other than how the UI looks and works, I didn't see anything mentioned about what it can and can't do technically. So I'm holding out for that presentation.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Shaymin on June 02, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
So anyone here reconsidering a 3G iPad purchase because at&t decided to screw with the data plan (http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/atandt-makes-sweeping-changes-to-data-plans-iphone-tethering-comi/)?
Specifically, making the $30 unlimited a $25 2GB plan?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on June 03, 2010, 11:23:09 AM
AT&T's new plans are a joke. It seems if you already have the $30 unlimited (which is really 5GB) that you can stay on it, but for new customers, they're totally getting screwed.
Edit - Ha! I just saw that tethering will be $45 (including the data plan) a month on the 2GB plan! That's insane! Verizon (if you pay) charges $45 (again, including the data plan), but that's actually unlimited - and if you have a WebOS phone it's free (not including the data plan)!
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Apple will make the jump to Verizon sooner than later now, since you basically can't use your iPhone or iPad on AT&T's network anymore.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 11:48:40 AM
How much data do you use on streaming a standard Youtube video that's about 5 minutes long?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2010, 07:41:38 PM
I looked at my data history for my iPhone on AT&T's web site, and I've never used more than 300 MB in a month. I use the thing a ton, but most of the time I have Wi-Fi. The $20 extra for tethering when you're already paying for a set amount of data is ridiculous, but the difference between 5 GB and 2 GB isn't at all important to me, or, if AT&T's numbers are to be believed, to 98% of users. To argue that you can't use the device on the network is just stupid. Also, since AT&T is Verizon's only real competition, don't be surprised if Verizon changes its data terms to something very similar.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 07:55:07 PM
Also, since AT&T is Verizon's only real competition, don't be surprised if Verizon changes its data terms to something very similar.
Or uses that against them like the 3G map.
Look at the major price changes of the two companies in recent years; they align pretty closely. It's more or less collusion, but the government hasn't called them on it yet. If Verizon is indeed getting Apple's devices this year they'll probably wait to change it until after that, but it seems to me that it's inevitable.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 08:29:13 PM
Also, since AT&T is Verizon's only real competition, don't be surprised if Verizon changes its data terms to something very similar.
Or uses that against them like the 3G map.
Look at the major price changes of the two companies in recent years; they align pretty closely. It's more or less collusion, but the government hasn't called them on it yet. If Verizon is indeed getting Apple's devices this year they'll probably wait to change it until after that, but it seems to me that it's inevitable.
Maybe, but Verizon has just recently been taking it to AT&T's front door with the ad campaign, so I wouldn't be surprised if they used it against them. And for the fact that Verizon is working with Google to get their own Android/Chrome (Androme/Chromedroid) tablet, I don't think they are too confident about getting Apple to drop the exclusivity anytime within the next 12 months.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: MegaByte on June 03, 2010, 08:52:42 PM
And there's the fact that Verizon is publicly stating that don't planning on supporting them in the immediate future (http://www.beet.tv/2010/06/verizon-as-no-plans-for-ipod-support-in-the-immediate-future.html).
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on June 03, 2010, 09:00:00 PM
We all know that doesn't matter much; companies deny stuff all the time, even right before confirming it.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2010, 09:28:31 PM
And there's the fact that Verizon is publicly stating that don't planning on supporting them in the immediate future (http://www.beet.tv/2010/06/verizon-as-no-plans-for-ipod-support-in-the-immediate-future.html).
Yeah, but Verizon wouldn't say that they were talking with Apple even if they were. Apple has cut off relations with companies for lesser breaches of its secrecy, and is most likely particularly on edge about that right now because of all the recent leaks.
Verizon would be crazy not to want the iPhone. The iPhone OS is still growing at a faster pace than Android, despite its significant lead in install base and the fact that it's been out longer, and the impending release of the new model means that won't change anytime soon. The iPhone is one of very few things that any other American cell provider has over Verizon (basically just that and Sprint's 4G network); if they were to get it, they would have an insurmountable lead over everyone else.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 10:17:21 PM
And there's the fact that Verizon is publicly stating that don't planning on supporting them in the immediate future (http://www.beet.tv/2010/06/verizon-as-no-plans-for-ipod-support-in-the-immediate-future.html).
Yeah, but Verizon wouldn't say that they were talking with Apple even if they were. Apple has cut off relations with companies for lesser breaches of its secrecy, and is most likely particularly on edge about that right now because of all the recent leaks.
Verizon would be crazy not to want the iPhone. The iPhone OS is still growing at a faster pace than Android, despite its significant lead in install base and the fact that it's been out longer, and the impending release of the new model means that won't change anytime soon. The iPhone is one of very few things that any other American cell provider has over Verizon (basically just that and Sprint's 4G network); if they were to get it, they would have an insurmountable lead over everyone else.
Which is exactly why AT&T won't let that exclusivity go. It's the only reason people have to stick with them over Verizon or the cheaper (than both) Sprint.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2010, 10:38:12 PM
AT&T will do anything it can to hold onto the exclusivity, but if Apple wants it to end (as it should, given AT&T's current state), it will end. The terms of the deal between AT&T and Apple aren't public, so all we have at this point is speculation. If the exclusivity is going to end before the end of this year, though, we should hear about it next week at WWDC.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on June 03, 2010, 10:41:03 PM
It was rumored to end this year, but I'm not holding my breath and I'm not sure I really care either since I don't plan on getting an iPhone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on June 03, 2010, 10:55:03 PM
Verizon users with no desire for an iPhone should probably hope for AT&T to retain exclusivity, as Verizon getting the iPhone would only serve to add significant traffic to its network and slow it down for everyone.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on June 07, 2010, 02:51:45 PM
They're not charging for iPod Touch owners to upgrade the OS anymore... looks like changing the accounting rules actually did what people expected it to.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2011, 01:42:52 AM
The purported image clearly suggests that the iPad 2 will have Thunderbolt, a camera for FaceTime video calling and 1.2GHz CPU and will be released on March 17.
Spec sheet of Apple iPad 2:
9.7-inch screen (same as the current iPad) 1.2 GHz CPU Wi-Fi Thunderbolt Camera Bluetooth
pic at the link
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 02, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
Thunderbolt's interesting; Apple's really pushing it. Other than that, it's what everybody expected. Word on the street, though, is the iPad 3 is coming later this year, and is supposed to be the big improvement, as opposed to the basic iteration of this model. That's not sarcasm based on Apple's tendencies, those are real rumors, coming from multiple sources.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2011, 02:46:41 AM
Well, considering the iPad2 allegedly had a few features cut at the last minute (SD slot and retina display of note), I wouldn't be too suprised. Plus, Apple was said to be embrasing or working on 4G devices by the Verizon CEO. So, who knows?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on March 02, 2011, 09:29:26 AM
Hope they bump up the RAM, ideally to 1GB. Ridiculous that it currently has less than the iPhone 4.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 02, 2011, 09:45:54 AM
If those specs are real...meh. One of Apple's biggest flaws is that each generation of hardware can't really overpower the previous generation by a lot. With 4-core CPUs in mobile phones only being a few months away, a 1.2Ghz iPad (while the streamlined OS makes it run very well) just seems weak. It won't appear that way, since everything will be developed to work on exactly those specs though. I'm more interested in the HTC Thunderbolt (which is more powerful than the iPad, and will probably be quite comparable to the iPad 2, if not better...and it's a phone) than Apple's new thunderbolt connector.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 02, 2011, 04:39:36 PM
Well the specs have been revealed, and the "leaked" specs aren't even close. 9x faster graphics, dual core 1Ghz CPU...still overpriced. Not in the market for anything like this, but I've got to admit it does sound like a huge improvement over the original - 1080p output for everything too.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on March 02, 2011, 04:55:01 PM
Well the specs have been revealed, and the "leaked" specs aren't even close. 9x faster graphics, dual core 1Ghz CPU...still overpriced. Not in the market for anything like this, but I've got to admit it does sound like a huge improvement over the original - 1080p output for everything too.
What do you think the right price for this is? And, whatever number you give me, why aren't competing tablets coming out at that price?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
so what are the specs?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
It weighs 1.33 pounds (compared to 1.5 for the original) Resolution is the same for both (1014 x 768) but now has LED backlighting It is slightly smaller (9.5 x 7.31 x 0.34 compare to 9.56 x 7.47 x 0.52) The processor upgraded from A4 to A5 512MB RAM (compare to 256 for first) Front and rear camera, with the back being HD at 720p Now supports HSUPA Gyroscope Supports HDMI video out In black or white Prices have gone UP (the original ranged from $399-$729, the iPad 2 ranges from $499-$829)
I don't really consider that worth upgrading for owners of the original iPad, and I am not sure the new stuff is worth the extra $100 for people looking to get an iPad.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 02, 2011, 05:34:36 PM
With the rumors of iPad 3 before Xmas, it would be best to just wait anyways.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 02, 2011, 06:20:51 PM
The original iPad was $499-$829. The price hasn't changed.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 06:29:59 PM
You are right, I was going by a spec comparison on The Mac Observer.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: nickmitch on March 02, 2011, 06:35:20 PM
RAM for the iPad 2 wasn't mentioned in the announcement. It's also listed as "?" on Endgadget.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on March 02, 2011, 09:26:04 PM
Yeah, I think that RAM number is speculative. It probably is 512, which would match the iPhone 4, though it would be nice if it was 1 GB. We will find out as soon as people get it in their hands.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on March 02, 2011, 10:45:22 PM
Wow that's disappointing. Not enough changes to make me purchase one, but I'm sure people will gobble it up and that's why it's disappointing.
There are phones already out that have more power, resolution (pixel density), more battery life and sheer options than this new iPad (oh and they support flash). Again, I have no idea why anyone (I was going to say "except the travel heavy" but not even them this time) would buy one.
Again, I wouldn't even keep it if it were a gift.
You know what I want Apple to make? A clam style IPad except this clam can fold back on itself like a paper notebook. Make one side LCD with a retina display and the other side Color E-ink. Let me be able to turn off either display independently. If I'm only running the E-ink side, let the battery life last for days. Make both screens touch screen so I can etch notes on the E-ink side or vice versa.
I would buy that.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 10:49:12 PM
I have an iPad, and I do enjoy it. So I wouldn't say it's not worth buying one, I just don't think it's worth upgrading if you already own the original iPad.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on March 02, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
What's so enjoyable about it? That's a serious question. I would like to know.
I've fooled around with my brother's iPad (he's an Apple nut) and I wasn't impress.
Where do you use it?
Why do you use it?
If you say "Home, and the internet." I'm going to laugh.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 02, 2011, 11:15:28 PM
I use it at home (too big for me to bring with me). I don't use it for the Internet (my laptop is much better for that). I use it as an e-reader (I am not gonna ruin my eyesight trying to read on the iPod Touch screen), play games (a lot of great iPa-exclusive games or improved versions of games), Netflix videos, and watching other videos on the big screen it provides. I was a skeptic before I bought it, but I am really enjoying it. I don't think I would pay for 3G (although you don't have to sign a contract, you can go month by month and just pay for months you want to use it), but they do have a Wi-Fi only model.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 02, 2011, 11:16:16 PM
I use it at home sometimes because it's easier to move from room to room than my 15" notebook. I also use it a lot at school, because it gets better battery life than said notebook. I've used it to take notes in class, and work on papers when I'm away from my apartment. I love the touch interface; there are things I'll do on the iPad even when I'm sitting by my computer because I like the way it works. Also, I have to go out to my sister's college to help move her in and out, and that's a 6 hour car ride, which is made so much easier by the iPad.
My ideal device would be a mix of an iPad and a MacBook Air. It would normally be an iPad, but could boot into OS X if I needed it, with a full keyboard and USB ports along with the touch screen.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: RABicle on March 02, 2011, 11:50:50 PM
I don't have one myself but my Grandma does.
She uses it to check her email and read the news and play solitaire and watch videos of cats and look at photos. Sure, she could do all that on her iMac but the iMac is really big and expensive and not porta- you get the idea.
Unagi the iPad isn't a product that people buy for functionality because everyone can already do everything it offers. It's a lifestyle product. So yeah people will use it for the internet at home, but in different ways to browsing on your computer. If I had an iPad it would live almost permanently on my breakfast table, I'd check facebook and ABC online and twitter as I eat breakfast. Maybe I'd watch a movie in bed sometimes. Now I don't have the money to splash out and live that lifestyle now and I can already do those things with my laptop, but it'd be nicer to do them with a touch interface, a bitching battery life and not overheating like a motherfucker.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on March 03, 2011, 06:48:19 AM
I understand what you're saying and in a word it's convenience. But that's not the point I'm getting at.
There isn't a single shred of doubt in my mind that tablets will be incredibly popular. I think one day they will be the equivalent to what laptops are to desktops. But at this moment in time, the iPad is simply a gimped machine with a decent sized screen. Other than ease of use, it has no outstanding features. Like you said yourself, everything that could be done on an iPad could be done way better on something else. Maybe I'm simply not that lazy or maybe it's the setup I have at home, but paying upwards 600 dollars for a slate that does nothing incredible is mind-boggling.
Would it be nice to take to certain places? For sure simply because of its size and battery life. But would I ever consider using it for something other than frivolousness? No. And that's my point.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on March 03, 2011, 09:34:18 AM
I'll make sure to forward your suggestions on to Apple, I'm sure they'll find them really helpful!
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: gbuell on March 03, 2011, 09:37:26 AM
There are phones already out that have more power, resolution (pixel density), more battery life and sheer options than this new iPad (oh and they support flash).
Which phones are those? Serious question.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: NWR_insanolord on March 03, 2011, 10:00:34 AM
Like you said yourself, everything that could be done on an iPad could be done way better on something else.
Except that's not what he said. He simply said it could be done on something else. If you scroll up a little more, you'll see that I said there are things I prefer to do on my iPad even when I'm sitting by my computer. I much prefer to read news on my iPad, because the apps I have do at least as well as, and often significantly better than, the equivalents on my computer. Flipboard, for instance, is a fantastic way to browse stories from my RSS feeds, far better than any standard newsreader. It's not just convenience, either; it's much more comfortable to curl up on the couch with my iPad than to use my notebook on the same couch.
You really need to experience it for a while to get it. I initially bought the thing because I was an Apple fanboy, but I didn't realize how much of a game-changer it was until I'd used it for a few days.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: RABicle on March 04, 2011, 12:33:13 PM
Yeah the problem with your statement Unagi was that things can be done way better on another machine. That simply isn't true. Tablets do some things like reading news, browsing emails and sharing photos far better than any PC or laptop or phone can do. And it's because of the touchscreen, portability and the A4 sized screen. I know it's all a matter of taste but I think you'll find a lot more people would appreciate flicking their fingers to scrolling.
In the video on apple's site, where they briefly showed a teacher using it in a classroom while it streamed (wirelessly to an AppleTV or corded into the HDMI port) to a big screen was to me, as a teacher, amazing. The possibilities in jsut those 3 seconds of footage were incredible.
Now I know other tablets can do this to and maybe, probably have higher specs at a cheaper price but I'm already invested far too deeply in Apple. Syncing with iTunes, streaming to an AppleTV, it wouldn't be worth the money saved buying an Android based machine for me.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2011, 01:25:57 PM
For anybody who is interested in a iPad, Best Buy has knocked down the price of all 6 versions of the original iPad by $100 to help clear out inventory before the iPad 2 comes out.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2011, 01:35:29 PM
There are 6 versions?
PokiPad? Gotta catch em all?
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2011, 01:42:22 PM
There is a 3G version and a Wi-Fi version, and both come in 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB sizes. So a total of 6 different models (the Wi-Fi 16GB model is $500 normally, the 3G 64 GB model is $829 normally), and all six are being reduced by $100.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: nickmitch on March 04, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
There's 9 versions of the iPad 2. 3 Wi-Fi only and 3 3G capable versions for Verizon and AT&T each.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BlackNMild2k1 on March 04, 2011, 01:58:30 PM
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: BranDonk Kong on March 04, 2011, 03:15:56 PM
That was a pretty good commercial. The thing that bugs me the most about these things (and others are going along with it), is the absolutely ridiculous price differences between different models. A 3G radio doesn't cost anywhere near $130 (more like $15-20), so you're really getting fucked when you buy the 3G version, but what's the point of buy a WiFi only version? You still get fucked. Also, it doesn't cost $100 more to put a 32GB chip in instead of a 16GB chip. I understand that profit is the whole concept here, but the pricing scheme is absurd, and the fact that there's now 9 different versions is absolutely ridiculous. There should be 2 versions - a 64GB AT&T versioni, and a 64GB Verizon version - that's it. It should cost around $600, Apple would still make a cool $200 on each one, not including subsidies from AT&T and Verizon that they surely make off of their data plans. BTW, both tiered plans suck, but since neither require a contract, you'd have to be a moron to go with AT&T. Their 3G (I can't believe it's still 3G, that's retarded too) is nowhere near as expansive as Verizon's, and it costs more when you break it down. Lowest pricing is $15 for AT&T at 250MB, and $20 for Verizon at 1GB.
That commercial is pretty funny. They had one on Conan last night too that was pretty good.
Oh, that new adapter is absolutely retarded looking, and is the most unlike Apple thing I've ever seen them make. Just put 2 fucking connectors on the iPad, don't make people buy this retarded looking dongle, and if you do, make it so the splitter/adapter doesn't have a wire between it and the iPad, make it flush against the damn thing.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Stogi on March 04, 2011, 04:10:11 PM
I'm not going to be ignorant of where this is going and simply say, we are not going to see eye to eye on this. But because it's lethargic, I'm going to reply to what has been said anyway.
Rabicle, I can definitely see how an iPad could be useful in the professional world. While teaching could improve with it, what popped into my mind was the medical profession.
But i digress, on a day to day basis, do you use it for anything that isn't frivolous? Now, I can guess what your thinking. Aren't most products around the house not needed, i.e. frivolous? And the answer is yes, but every item serves a specific purpose. My iPod could be considered frivolous but I have my entire music collection in the right breast pocket of my jacket. My PS3 or Wii could be considered frivolous, but those provide an escape or a fun distraction. What is the purpose of an iPad? Sharing photos? Reading news and email? Lying on the couch doing those things? I don't see the unique purpose.
I keep thinking to myself, "Wouldn't it be nice to have it in this situation." But then I think to myself, an iphone (or any like device) could do this and I wouldn't need a bag to carry it.
If I could use it in tandem with my laptop, pushing and pulling information back and forth like something out of "Avatar", then I would buy it.
But like I said, that's just me and we are not going to see eye to eye.
There are phones already out that have more power, resolution (pixel density), more battery life and sheer options than this new iPad (oh and they support flash).
Which phones are those? Serious question.
The Atrix, the samsung 4g, and the htc thunderbolt to name a few.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: Shaymin on March 04, 2011, 05:54:42 PM
For anybody who is interested in a iPad, Best Buy has knocked down the price of all 6 versions of the original iPad by $100 to help clear out inventory before the iPad 2 comes out.
Pretty sure this is an across-the-board price drop from Apple. If you purchased an iPad 1 within 2 weeks of the announcement date, you can contact Apple to get a $100 refund.
Title: Re: iPad...meh
Post by: TJ Spyke on March 04, 2011, 05:57:23 PM
Ah, OK. I hadn't checked other places, I just saw Best Buy advertising it. Even better for people who want one.
