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Winter Mafia Day 7
« on: December 22, 2007, 03:41:14 PM »
HO, Ho, *Tired*...Is your story almost over.

Almost Sir.  Day 6 was a long, lazy day. After a week of being forced to expose yourself and going to work.  You know, we all have days jobs, because Christmas is once a year. We all walled ourselves in to protect ourselves.

But that didn't keep people from talking, or rather texting each other.  As we explored what was going on...we decided Athan Zala must be guilty...and last minute we all decided to do something about it.  Before the day set and night began we ran with our pitch forks and took care of him, Resident Evil 4 Wii edition style.  Sure it isn't a holiday themed death, but really we need to promote great Wii games for sale...so Resident Evil deaths work.

So moving on, we realized that the Mafia was still moving towards their goal of total control, and as we were killing AZ, Someone stalked sleeping Patchkid and Zack and Wikki-ed him to death.  Poor Patchkid didn't even see it coming.

DEAD:
Athan Zala - Townie
Patchkid - Townie

And with that Mafia took a commanding lead over the Townies.

Hey, I miss calculated.  Sunday still needs to occur, because the Townies can still win.  


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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 03:41:52 PM »
I've got something to say, but I decided to wait until the roles are revealed.

we call it quits here usually, the killer and the bomber are dead, and the townies have lost.  There's no point
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 03:43:53 PM »
That what you idiots get for not killing pale!

p.s. khush give me a kick back for handing you the win, ok.
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2007, 03:45:19 PM »
^Thats what you get stevey, for trusting khush!

Imma just gonna dig here a little bit

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VEDETTA!!!!

F@#$ idiots all of you. Pale has been proven wrong after 18 was the killer I've been proven I was good gah, do any of you townie have any long term memory's of the events that happen barely a day ago! Pale was proven wrong after trying to save 18 after and only after I called him out proving that he was mafia try to keep extra kill. I hope all of you idiots lose horribly and the bomber wins!!!


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I ask you that yesterday and you call it unreasonablr me a mafia! when 18 could have been the kill or townie. But when I could be the investigator or mafia even though I was proven it sounds fair to you, your the worst mafia liers ever!!!! and no forgiveness to those who fell for this bull

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2007, 03:49:20 PM »
Hey I never said Khush was good just that I was and are.

and pale reasoning was bull, "don't vote me I good just conjoined to a mafia member vote the investigator"  
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 03:50:01 PM »
Are you kidding?  He played you like a violin!  
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2007, 03:51:51 PM »
I was wrong the score is 4 to 3.

So technically The townies could still win, if they play a perfect game.  Sunday will continue the game.


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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2007, 03:54:08 PM »
No, 3-3. You just keep forgetting to remove 18 Days from the alive list.

EDIT: Whoops. I see you removed 18 Days. It's Patchkid you forgot to remove from the Alive list.

Players remaining should be:

Crimm
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Khushrenada
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Pale
TVMan  
Whoever said, "Cheaters never win" must've never met Khushrenada.

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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2007, 04:02:40 PM »
So, what's happening now Spak-Spang?
Whoever said, "Cheaters never win" must've never met Khushrenada.

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2007, 04:05:03 PM »
Haha...I want a Killer to still be alive I guess.

I just fixed everything.

Ok.  Tie goes to Mafia.

So the game is over.

The Mafia wins so now it is a new vote.  Vote for who you believe deserves the win the most.  Of all the Mafia player.

Khushrenada- The Brother role turned Mafia whom just wanted to protect his sister...which he did, so he gets bonus points for keeping her alive.
TVMan- The Second Godfather, whom after Bustin98's untimely death proved he too could lead a Mafia
KashogiStogi- The Loyal Mafia Goon that stood by his team's side to the very end.
Thatguy- The Mafia member on vacation who died prematurely
Bustin98- The original Mafia Godfather whose talk got him in more than a little trouble.
18 Days- The killer who has no loyalties and therefore is a wild card for the prize.


All those eligible for the prize can argue in this thread for why you should win.  And all those who participated in the game can vote.  However, you can not vote for yourself at all. So please everyone take time to help decide the ultimate winner.

This Poll will end Monday around 3:00pm.  So you have plenty of time.  Remember to bold your vote just like a normal day.


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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2007, 04:08:49 PM »
edit wait everyone can vote, why? they lost and shouldn't get a say in who the top winner is, just the winning team.....

vote stevey as a honorary winner that handed your win....  
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2007, 04:17:19 PM »
No contest.  A lot of his win was luck, but he did bust out his usual talents.  unVOTE KHUSH

 
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2007, 04:18:28 PM »
See Stevey.  I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.

Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end.  Kashogi was next on my suspician list.
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2007, 04:26:09 PM »
Khush deserves to win, hands down.  He took what should have been an impossible role to win with and somehow made everything work in his favor.  I have no idea how he got so many people to play along.
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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2007, 04:28:50 PM »
He might diserve it, but i'm not about to let him.

I started to suspect something was amiss here two days ago, but he got me 18 days.  I shouldn't have relied on that, because the death of 18 days was a benifit to everyone who ISNT 18 days.  Vote Khush

Note: Anyone that doesn't vote khush today is doomed to die tomorrow.
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2007, 04:41:37 PM »
I sacrificed myself on day one.  I could have saved myself and let Bustin die.  I should win the prize.  That is all.

Oh, and I could pretty much tell the story of what happened, though I wasn't too involved, for me, it was pretty easy to see what happened.

My vote goes to Pale.  Without him, the mafia couldn't have done it.  No, really.  Had Pale spoken up about Khush's betrayal, he would have been able to collect the townies together to figure everything out.  But, Pale, afraid of something I can't put my hands on, did not.  See, Khush took secret option B right away to join the mafia as a mole. with the conditional that Pale would find out as soon as the investigator, a Mr. stevey, had investigated him, I believe.

Stevey investigated Khush day one.  So, Pale knew about Khush for basically the entire game.  What's more, Pale wouldn't have been killed by the mafia had the secret gotten out.  Why?  Because the mafia wanted Khush alive, since I was to be gone, he was certainly, beyond any shadow of a doubt, going to be the mafia's strategist, even if he was known as a mafia member.  Sure, his word meant nothing to the townies, but they wouldn't have voted out Khush so they could keep Pale alive.  After all, what good is a mafia member when everyone knows who he is?  In theory, there's not much he could do.  So basically, all I'm saying is that after the killer was dead, Pale had no reason to withhold his info, but chose to anyways.  At worst, he would be voted out and Khush would die, and his sacrifice would probably lead to townie victory.  At best, everyone would steer clear of both Khush and Pale, stevey would investigate Pale, and the story would officially "check-out" and the townie players remaining would be able to congregate together, or at least the few roled players would have.

Anyways, there are some serious clues out there that Khush was a mole, and most of you didn't really pick up on any of them until it was too late.  Too bad.

For allowing our victory, I'd like to vote Pale.  His silence gave us the win.  If I can't do that, I've narrowed my vote between Khush and TVman.  I didn't talk to them after I died, really, so I don't know who did more.  My guess is that Khush did, just because he lives to win, but TVman is much more clever than he may appear, so I'm not deciding between either yet.

So, can anyone tell me the odds of the bomber being voted off day one, under the condition that the vote is just random?  Low, right?  The same for any other specific role, I think for this game, the chance would be 1/18, but I don't remember for sure.
Now, can anyone tell me the odds that the bomber is voted off on day one when he's posting messages saying he's the bomber, posting threatening messages, and the like?  Even lower.  Who would vote away someone that might kill them on day one?  Isn't that fishy?  Isn't it strange that the person Khush "randomly" picked was the bomber?  Isn't it strange that I was hounding for others to vote for this guy?  Then, it turns out, he's the bomber. That should have been hint enough to suspect that something was fishy right there.  There's more big clues out there, but I don't feel like listing them all.  Players need to start questioning "Why?" or "What if" a little more, honestly, especially when something that should be mostly coincidence turns out to be very one-sided.   That should cause some serious questions.

Oh, and then there's this whole BS about never trusting Khush that's going to pop up.  Well, if you didn't trust Khush, who's going to figure everything out?  At least one of you will have to step up if that's your decision, since you can't just rely on his shoulders anymore.  To be a good mafia player, you don't need to just shut up and do what you're told.  You've got to make your conclusions yourself.  Especially, if you're just a normal townie, because then you've got nothing to lose at all.  Start questioning things.  Why did Khush blame Kashogi on Day 3, then turn everyone's attention elsewhere in private messages?  Didn't anyone notice this is what happened?  I did right away, reading the day.  I saw some good questions after I was blown up, but they were just dismissed immediately.  In order to be a good mafia player, you've got to base decisions on what you know and what's good for your team.  If you're the Killer, if you're the bomber, then decisions are made on what's best for you.  For everyone else, you've got to play for your team.  That means you've got to vote effectively and switch votes effectively.  It means you can act suspicious to cover up someone else.  It means you should try to asses what each player's goal has been in the current game.  It can mean anything, but it doesn't automatically mean "Yes sir."

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2007, 04:44:00 PM »
Stevey was definitely the mafia powerplayer and should win the prize.
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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2007, 04:45:09 PM »
How could you not vote for Khush? Though I felt he had other motives, being the brother he certainly did. I feel a little betrayed as he could have just told us the relationship. What would have happened if I didn't listen and went and killed Pale?

Anyway, great game! This was fun.

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2007, 04:52:27 PM »
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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.

Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list


yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.

I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......

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And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....  
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2007, 04:56:09 PM »
You didn't know he was the bro with Pale as the sis?  I learned it right away.  His goal was to leave false evidence for when he was finally ratted out, but he quickly realized that he could just control Pale's credibility once the killer died and Pale didn't speak up right away.

Stevey was not the mafia "powerplayer."  He was misled and used to find townie roles, yes, but that never would have happened without Pale letting it be.  Pale is the one who allowed Khush to move about unchecked, and he knew about it right away.  He's the one that gave the game to the mafia.  I think he deserves the prize as our thanks.

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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.

Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list


yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.

I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......

I post my pm's tomorrow and show you all.





And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....


BS.  There were a million and one things you could've done with that info, and in fact, if you knew the roles of the mafia, you could have just announced your suspicions and ended everything right there.  It's that easy.  You didn't.  You could have backstabbed him any time had you not believed him.  In fact, considering your vendetta against him, you would have.  You believed his story worst than the rest did, or else you'd have at least let Pale in on what was happening.

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2007, 04:57:55 PM »
Lol, Khush led the mafia. He was really the driving force behind the win.
TVman is dead. I killed him and took his posts.

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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2007, 05:10:59 PM »
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You didn't know he was the bro with Pale as the sis?  I learned it right away.  His goal was to leave false evidence for when he was finally ratted out, but he quickly realized that he could just control Pale's credibility once the killer died and Pale didn't speak up right away.

Stevey was not the mafia "powerplayer."  He was misled and used to find townie roles, yes, but that never would have happened without Pale letting it be.  Pale is the one who allowed Khush to move about unchecked, and he knew about it right away.  He's the one that gave the game to the mafia.  I think he deserves the prize as our thanks.

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See Stevey. I told the truth the whole time and just was convinced you were evil.

Also, I'll take something with me that I at least picked TVMan out at the end. Kashogi was next on my suspician list


yeah so, you should've let yourself die and we would have won.

I was planning on backstabbing Khush anyway, then killing TV-man and Kashogi the following days since Khush said not to investigate them two. I knew Khush was mafia since around day 3 he never told who the sister was. Later confirming that you were his sister on day 4 when he said "not to talk to you because he found it funny", Khush only find backstabbing funny......

I post my pm's tomorrow and show you all.





And spak put my name up as honorary corrupted cop to be eligible, pretty plz.....


BS.  There were a million and one things you could've done with that info, and in fact, if you knew the roles of the mafia, you could have just announced your suspicions and ended everything right there.  It's that easy.  You didn't.  You could have backstabbed him any time had you not believed him.  In fact, considering your vendetta against him, you would have.  You believed his story worst than the rest did, or else you'd have at least let Pale in on what was happening.


spak never said the the winner with be decided on vote and I assumed that it would be randomly pick of the survivors so I was trying to do it without being take out by the mob and letting him live would have better my odd.....  

and letting in pale would tip him off
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RE:Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2007, 05:17:57 PM »
Wait...is today abnormal?  Are we not killing people today?
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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2007, 05:30:07 PM »
You know there is talk about whether the Brother/Sister role was balanced.

Here were my original thoughts.  

1)They would have to rely on each other to live but not trust each other.
2)The Brother was Mafia from the start...but did not know any Mafia members, this was to protect the Mafia, because the Brother could have easily decided to break/bend the rules to the role and support his sister and the townies while still being Mafia.
3)I broke rule 1 by giving Khush the Godfather role so that he would have a chance after being investigated day one.  I would not have done this if he had not been investigated, and he would of had to find the mafia.
4)Since Khush had to find the mafia, I gave the Godfather a hint that there was a mole/other Mafia member he had to find, and to be careful with hits, which is also why I gave him the power to investigate people.
5)since there was a mole that would always remain hidden to the Detective, I warned the Detective Day One, and had the Sister be able to find out the truth about the role from the beginning.
6)There was a special way for both players to win, but it didn't really come up this game.  It involved the Mafia keeping Sister alive till the very end and being the last townie alive, or the Townies an Sister doing that for the Mafia.
7)I included the Brother in the original count of the Mafia.  Didn't you think it was odd there were only 4 mafia members...that is pretty low with how many people were playing...and the number of special roles.  5 was the balancing number.

8)Although, the Mole power seems over powering you must remember that every Mafia member is basically a mole from the beginning.  They are going to PM you and manipulate you into believing they are townies, and the Godfather already appears like Mafia.  

The Mafia really got lucky getting rid of some big Townie support first day.  If they had not killed the Vigilante, the game could have gone very differently.  This game was full of luck...and the Detective got a lot of information.  Day one he found the Brother, Day two the Killer, Day three a Townie, and Day four the Doctor, and I think Day Five the Witness.  That is pretty fantastic finds in the game.

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RE: Winter Mafia Day 7
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2007, 05:30:19 PM »
Crimm, the game's over.  I won.  So did Khush, Bustin, TVman, and Kashogi.

Stevey, at the beginning of the game, in the rules, Spak says pretty clearly that whomever is on the winning side is eligible for the prize.  He says you don't have to have survived the game, since sacrifice is typically necessary, especially with the roles in this game.  He also said that everyone would vote for the prize, not that it would be randomly picked.  I can only surmise that if you were not capable enough to comprehend the rules of the game that you are not capable of detecting a double cross, especially with no in-game evidence that you had suspicions.  I think you're just running out of juice to try to win the VC game.

Anyways, everyone should vote for Pale, once again, because Pale lost the game for the townies, plain and simple.  He was the key to mafia victory.