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Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« on: July 12, 2007, 09:27:18 AM »
Of course Dasmos became the new Godfather when both Vudu and spak-spang were killed.

So just caht about the lastest game

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 09:35:02 AM »
Rules for future mafia games:

(1) No copying of direct quotes from the host's PMs
(2) No screen shots of the host's PMs
(3) At least half of all players must be assigned the role of "townie"
(4) Patchkid15 is never allowed to host another Mafia game
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 09:39:51 AM »
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 09:54:43 AM »
Vudu just because i forgot to point out one rule. Shouldnt mean i cant host again.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2007, 11:16:01 AM »
On a note of what Vudu said,

1)  That was a trick.  I knew Spak was mafia from the start when he wanted to vote Khush out.  I also had no idea which quotes were legit or not.  I sent TVman and Spak messages to send me their quotes, I told Spak it was to see if they were all the same, and I thought TVman was actually a townie.  I was hoping that TVman would come forward with the same fake quote Spak did, as that would be the only way we'd be sure TVman was mafia.  Except, of course, him locking up on us.  That made it pretty clear.

The result?  TVman just stopped talking to me, and Spak gave enough prove for even Khush to believe he was mafia.  At this point, Khush and I finally compared quotes, and we noticed they were completely different.  At this point, we stopped making decisions based on the quotes.  To further my point?  Your PM to me.  You used a quote that seemed all long.  It didn't say "Good Luck," it didn't follow either Khush nor my format, among other things.  We went with Stabby first because we thought Spak might have faked sending me a PM on accident to throw us off his trail.

On top of thought, because you 'seemed' so sure that Khush and I were mafia in PMs, I personally thought you might have been the bomber, trying to get hit and take out a mafia member that night. Stevey can tell you that I lied to him, too, that day, because I told him ShyGuy was the doctor then, too.  Quotes had nothing to do with why you got voted yesterday.  You lost because Sir_Stabbalot was the traitor, like he said.  You claimed to be the traitor and he claimed to be the traitor.  We decided to vote off Stabby first, because of his history and because of Spak's PM.  I did not consider it a loss to lose the traitor, especially since he could be in league with the mafia, so we decided we'd feed both of you lies, and then kill both of you in a one-two hit, unless Stabby turned up to be the mafia.

2)  I did not see a single screenshot of anyone's PMs at all.

3)  You're right.  This game and last game had far too few townies, and determining who they were was the key to the game.  Townies give the mafia breathing room, and there isn't much available when one is me, the second is Khush, and the third doesn't hardly play.

4)  I think that anyone who makes a mafia game should put a lot of thought into it first.  The best mafias, from what I've read some of, happen when the host has a unique theme, twists on roles, lots of players, and rules that are firmly established beforehand.  So long as that happens, it'll be a good mafia.  Also, Khush is right when he says invites should get sent to common players.  Not only that, but those who receives invites play harder.

I might write up a synopsis, but Khush will probably beat me to it at some point.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2007, 11:25:22 AM »
Thatguy really stepped up and played hard for this mafia. He did, however, get me killed by using me as bait without my permission. so...

VEDETTA!!!!

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2007, 11:37:45 AM »
Now, for the record, I think the Mad Scientist should bring you back to life because of that.  I doubted if you were really the Investigator or not because you checked me the first night instead of anyone else.  So, I'll come clean.  I told 18 Days not to protect you, because I thought one of two things.  I believed that either you would get hit, yet be mafia, thinking you had protection to look legit, or that Vudu/Sir_Stabbalot thought we suspected them, and would think you might be the bomber.  In every sense, it was entirely my fault you died ShyGuy.  My own personal suspicions, my own commands.  Unless 18 Days didn't protect anyone that day, but he/she/they/it logged in, so I imagine that person did.

Of course, I think I have to say Khush and I had a good time trying to confuse Spak as best as possible.  You wouldn't believe the stuff we told him, or at least the stuff I told him.  It was all in good fun though, he tried to do the same thing to us, too.

For the record, I think that in a game with this few townies and so many roles, if everyone that had a role came out and said it, I think it'd be almost as easy to win.  There most definitely needs to be more players, so hosts can fit the roles in they want, and still have multitudes of people left over.

I still like the no PM mafia idea too.  Or one where only the mafia could PM.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2007, 11:42:04 AM »
For the record, I did not stop talking to you. I just gave up and went to bed.
TVman is dead. I killed him and took his posts.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2007, 11:44:20 AM »
Oh, you'd pop on and off the online list, so we just assumed you stopped talking to us after sending you a PM each time we saw you were there.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2007, 12:01:30 PM »
Heck the early PGC mafia games were conducted mostly on MSN. If you didn't have the hookup, you were totally clueless. PM is a step up.

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RE:Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2007, 12:08:13 PM »
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Oh, you'd pop on and off the online list, so we just assumed you stopped talking to us after sending you a PM each time we saw you were there.


Yeah, I was totally talking with this chick on myspace.
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2007, 12:12:36 PM »
For the record, I usually try to PM everyone within the first three days or so.  If someone wants to work together, that's fine, but if not, I'll kill ShyGuy again, so watch out!

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 04:36:54 PM »
WHAT?!?! KHUSH ISN'T DEAD YET?!?!?!

... you guys are CRAZY you know!!! Khush will KILL YOU ALL! Oh you poor sods... oh you... I can't watch...
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2007, 04:55:55 PM »
The game's over.  For the last two games, Khush and I have led the townies to victory.  You should play in the next mafia.  I need to revert my avatar.


Mafia XVII Game Synopsis

Mafia 17 was another brief game, partially due to roles being discovered early, partially due to a low player turnout.

It all started on Day 1, with S-U-P-E-R's vote for Patchkid15, in protest of Bill, I suppose.  A vote by stevey against Khushrenada set off a bandwagon that *should* have killed him.  For the townie's sake, the game was extended twelve-ish hours, so Aussie players would have a chance, I presume.

The first awkward play was when Spak-Spang took a vote at Khush, who is usually a teammate.  Soon after, in response to a PM from me, Spak-Spang accidentally made several hints to being a mafia member.  Since I knew Spak was a mafia member, and I knew that Khushrenada was supposed to have been dead at this point in time, directly from the vote of a mafia member, to me, Khushrenada was a safe bet in this game to form a second alliance.  Spak was uncertain of my suspicions of him at this time.

We messaged each other, and both revealed the roles of townies.  With two townies down, only one remained unknown in the game.  Through private message, stevey revealed himself as the bomber to Khush, which Khush trusted, though he also believed Spak was a townie, he had not received as much evidence as I had otherwise.

At this point, I set out to determine myself whether or not stevey was a mafia member as best as I could.  I asked Spak to vote for stevey, while Khush was asking for everyone to vote for TVman, hoping he'd reveal his role to us in order to be saved from the vote.  Somewhere in between, Khush and Sir_Stabbalot (Traitor) teamed up, and the vote was 3 for TVman, 2 for stevey, and 1 for SUPER.  Because of the close race, along with an unknown ending time at that point, Spak's vote change essentially meant that stevey was a safe bet to trust.

At this point, I asked both TVman and Spak to tell me what their townie roles said in PMs'.  Spak sent something that didn't match mine at all, as I expected, but TVman never responded, despite being logged on several times before the new day.  The end result was a last minute false-role list, under the guise of "Not being sure whether or not ShyGuy was mafia."  Eventually, nearly every vote was changed against TVman.



Day 2 began, and TVman was actually the mafia Godfather, complete success on Day 1's vote.  The hit had been placed on me, but the Doctor, 18 Days, protected me.

The plan had worked perfectly.  As a townie, a player realizes he or she is worthless alive at the beginning of the day.  In affect, throughout the day, I had made a ton of noise, proclaimed myself as the head of a 'church,' made predictions on who was what role, and appeared to be lying about not having a role, though subtly.  For most of the day, my vote had been placed on someone I was fairly comfortable assuming was a townie role, and this didn't change until after the two mafia members we knew we logged off.  In effect, I made myself a target.  18 Days, a savvy player when it logs on, noticed this, and thought I was just being newbie, so it protected me.  Afterwards, when I took the hit, a secret trust was made, and the doctor was found.

Shortly after, Spak sent me the retarded PM.  Yes, retarded.  He sent it to the wrong player on accident.  It was such a weak thing to do, I was almost certain the thing was fake, because Spak had finally realized we caught on to him.

Later in the day, Vudu approached both me and Khush, and claimed to be the traitor.  Due to our doubt of the message Spak sent, we decided that we would set a trap that would most likely result on a hit on ShyGuy, and I sent messages to Stabby and Vudu that ShyGuy would be hitting them, and sent a message to 18 Days to protect ShyGuy.  I then ran my plan down with ShyGuy, who had pronounced himself to me as the investigator earlier in the day.

Rather than worry about explaining the story to stevey, I tossed him a message telling him ShyGuy was the doctor, so if Vudu or Stabby asked him, he wouldn't spoil the plan and I wouldn't have to type yet another wall of text.

ShyGuy's first investigation was on me, since I had gratuitously messaged him, and had worked to make myself target-worthy to the mafia, I piqued his curiosity.  Unfortunately for ShyGuy, I didn't buy into the truth.  Effectively, I asked 18 Days to move his protection to Vudu, suspecting ShyGuy to be a possible mafia spy.  Votes were nearly unanimous for Sir_Stabbalot today.



Day 3

On the third day, Sir_Stabbalot turned out to be the traitor.  This, of course, meant that Vudu was lying.  Votes flew to Vudu and Wandering I noted Wandering was completely absent from NWR from after his initial Day 1 vote for SUPER.  We assumed this to mean he was a bored townie, the final one.

ShyGuy was hit and revealed to everyone to be the Investigator, to the mafia's surprise, I suppose.

Dasmos wouldn't tell us anything via PM.  He didn't vote and he didn't post.  He would log on, but nothing happened, as far as we knew.  Others noticed this too, today.

SUPER had played nearly the same way.  The difference?  SUPER was mentioned in the message from Spak as a potential hit.  Since ShyGuy was just listed, and Stabby was listed as a member of the allaince Khush, Stevey, and I had, at this point, it was almost certain to say the message was certainly a mistake.

Everyone besides Vudu and Spak voted for Vudu.

Day 4



Vudu was the mafia's new Godfather.  Stevey was hit, even though Spak knew stevey would explode, Spak basically wanted the game to end by now.  Spak was killed in the explosion, as Vudu sent him after stevey for the kill.

Today was simple.  Everyone voted Dasmos, then won.  Everyone had figured the game out at this point, I think.  Though, Kairon was still suspicious of Khushrenada, it's safe to say that this did not effect the outcome.  Wandering and SUPER came back to cast votes against Dasmos.  Dasmos went the game without voting, it seems.

No player has been revived by SUPER, who is by default the Mad Scientist.

The dead mafia members are (in order of death):
TVman (Godfather)
Vudu (Godfather, part III, formerly the mafia investigator, if Spak is to be believed)
Spak-Spang (Henchman)
Dasmos (Godfather, Part III)

The dead townies are (In order of death):
Sir_Stabbalot (Traitor)
ShyGuy (Investigator)
Stevey (Suicidal Bob)

The living townies are (In alphabetical order):
18 Days (Doctor)
Khushrenada (Townie)
SUPER (Mad Scientist)
Thatguy (Insane Cult Leader/Townie)
Wandering (Townie)

And I think that sums things up pretty completely.  Any Questions?    

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RE:Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 05:55:52 PM »
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WHAT?!?! KHUSH ISN'T DEAD YET?!?!?!

... you guys are CRAZY you know!!! Khush will KILL YOU ALL! Oh you poor sods... oh you... I can't watch...



It's too late. They're already dead. The mafia that is.

I have to say that day one in this game is going to be a major accomplishment for me. Having no real ability in the game, (i.e. regular townie) and having a bandwagon started on me, and a mole in my small growing allianceI turned things around and had the godfather killed. That has to go in the mafia hall of fame.


And as thatguy has commented, I've actually been fortunate enough to live through the past two mafia games. Although the last game, I needed the help of the doctor. This game, I didn't even have a hit placed on me.

But how come you never play anymore Kairon? You should give it a spin again. It's the best third party game around.



Other news:

(1) No copying of direct quotes from the host's PMs
(2) No screen shots of the host's PMs
(3) At least half of all players must be assigned the role of "townie"
(4) Patchkid15 is never allowed to host another Mafia game

I agree to all of this. In fact, if you look at the games I've hosted, I always have a healthey percentage of townies. In fact, I beleive it is around half or just one over or under. It depends on the number of players. I know it's nice to get a role but you have to make sure the game is balanced. I commented on this when I was giving TVMan tips for future games.

Actually, I really don't ask for people's qoutes. I think this game was the exception. I usually just take people by their word. The truth is, it's more fun that way. But then when thatguy realized that there was a way to confim roles by the message from Patchkid, it was stupid not use that info. But I did feel guilty demanding it. Especially after the Stabby fiasco. I also have never taken a screenshot of my role. Stevey sent me a screen of his role this game. He did it without my asking. He just wanted to make an alliance quickly. I said I'd send him a screenshot also but I never got around to it. Too much work.

I thought you'd like number 4. Just a straight up game. No theme, no story, just the facts.
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 06:28:18 PM »
Oh, this marks my third straight win, and I think it's SUPER's, too.  Although, he could have more in his streak, I haven't checked.

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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 06:47:27 PM »
I VOTE KHUSH to host the next game. He's too sneaky.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 07:03:22 PM »
I've been wondering if I should host another game. I'm afraid that my playing might be warding off people from joining in these games. But, so many other people keep speaking up to host a game so I keep waiting. Plus, with work, I actually don't have the much time at the moment to always be checking things.

Again, I think larger turnout would help with these games.

And to thatguy.

Nope. SUPER has only won three in a row also. Still, that leaves you and SUPER tied with the record for three wins in a row. No one else has accomplished that. I've finally won two in a row. That's an amazing feat in itself. Although, thanks to these two townie wins, I have a feeling that there a quite a few two in a row winners.

Let's see. I've been in invloved in 11 mafia games but three I hosted. So, out of the eight games I have played, I have four wins. I'm batting 50%. That's pretty good. Especialy with all the day one votes I keep getting. Of course, thatguy has a 100% but who's comparing?
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RE: Discuss the latest Mafia Game
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2007, 08:54:37 PM »
Note to players on future mafia games: If I am acting blatantly weird in the first day and I set off your mafia radar, ODDS ARE I AM NOT MAFIA.

I've been thinking about doing a mafia game, but I have limited time and some of my games ideas are experimental.